Episode 893 - Jennifer Lawrence
Guest:Lock the gates!
Marc:Alright, let's do this.
Marc:How are you, what the fuckers?
Marc:What the fuck, buddies?
Marc:What the fucksters?
Marc:What's happening?
Marc:I'm Mark Maron.
Marc:This is my podcast, WTF.
Marc:I should tell you that Jennifer Lawrence is on the show today.
Marc:The Jennifer Lawrence came by the garage in its last days.
Marc:And we had a chat about stuff.
Marc:She's got a new movie coming out.
Marc:Red Sparrow opens this Friday, March 2nd.
Marc:But that was exciting.
Marc:I thought it was exciting.
Marc:Talking to Jennifer Lawrence, you can judge for yourself.
Marc:I may sound a little under the weather.
Marc:That's because I am indeed under the weather.
Marc:I don't know how it happened.
Marc:I was doing good.
Marc:I thought I was going to get through it, this flu and cold season.
Marc:Then I don't even know what I got hit with.
Marc:How are you guys doing?
Marc:Are you all right?
Marc:Well, I mean, I guess I've been through a lot the last few days, probably less than some and more than others.
Marc:But if spending four to five days with your mother is a lot, then put me up there with the top tier of having gone through a lot in the last four or five days.
Marc:I don't know what it is, man.
Marc:I just... Yeah, I do.
Marc:Of course I do.
Marc:The last time she was here, the last two days she was here, the last day she was here, I got sick.
Marc:This time, I got sick the day before she came.
Marc:I felt it coming on, and then I just went full.
Marc:I don't even know.
Marc:I can't even tell you what it is.
Marc:This is one of those weird observations that...
Marc:You know, you get older, things work out for you, and then you still have parents around.
Marc:And if you don't have grandkids for them to entertain themselves with, what the hell are you going to do?
Marc:You know, they want to visit, they want to hang out, but they come out and it's, what do you want to do?
Marc:Not whatever you want to do.
Marc:I don't feel well.
Marc:I don't want to do anything.
Marc:Well, then that's fine.
Marc:That's not what that tone is.
Marc:That's fine.
Marc:Maybe this is the reason people have children is so if their parents survive, it gives them something to do and takes them out of the equation.
Marc:because at my age my mom's here i'm like i don't know haven't we haven't we said everything we need to say isn't is it all isn't it all uh aren't we good i mean is it maybe she actually changed her ticket to leave a day early and i convinced her not to because i was gonna have sarah the painter take her out to see some painting and some galleries and stuff and we all ended up going um
Marc:I ended up taking my mom shopping, bought her a purse.
Marc:We went out and I watched her just destroy a pizza, not eat it, but kind of pick it apart, eat the stuff off the top and leave a pile of the crust of the pizza.
Marc:I'm still not well.
Marc:But look, I love my mom.
Marc:I was happy she was here.
Marc:I guess it worked out pretty good.
Marc:But I do feel that weird pang of like, did I make a mistake of not having children?
Marc:Not for me, just for them.
Marc:The kid thing is just, I love kids.
Marc:I love sitting there.
Marc:The other day, I got into it with a kid.
Marc:Like, if we're out to lunch, I was out to lunch with Sarah the Painter, my mother.
Marc:There's some kid with a little toy bus sitting in his little rolly chair.
Marc:Next table over.
Marc:And we're just sort of having a good time.
Marc:Just looking at him.
Marc:He's looking at me.
Marc:He's laughing and making faces.
Marc:I'm doing what you do if you're that kind of grown up when you see a kid.
Marc:You just lock into child zone.
Marc:But does that mean I want him?
Marc:No, because honestly, after about a minute or two of that, I felt satisfied.
Marc:I was good.
Marc:Occasionally, I'd look back over at him just to see if he wasn't looking at me.
Marc:I might have reengaged if he was looking at me.
Marc:But when he wasn't, there was part of me that was sort of like, good, that's done.
Marc:Now I don't have to lock it.
Marc:Maybe I should take a little more of my own will back on these things.
Marc:I didn't want to continue.
Marc:What are you going to do?
Marc:Just sit there at a table?
Marc:There's definitely a line with strangers' kids where it's cute and they're happy you like the kid and the kid's socializing.
Marc:But then I think it gets to a point where it's sort of like, all right, I think that's good.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:All right.
Marc:I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think my mother would be happier if she had kids to visit, grandkids.
Marc:I'm not unhappy that I don't have grandkids, but I think in retrospect, it would have saved me a day or two of aggravation and frustration and tension if I had a grandkid for her to play with as opposed to just sit around with me wondering what we should do with our time.
Marc:There were some emails in response to my emails.
Marc:One email said that I was right in the pronunciation of Pedro Almodovar's name.
Marc:I think he sent a clip because a woman had written me in saying that I did a lot of things wrong, and that was one of them.
Marc:But I think it's Almodovar.
Marc:Almodovar.
Marc:The V is sort of the B. It's Spanish.
Marc:And I think it's Almodovar.
Marc:But I was closer than what she had said.
Marc:So she said I was wrong.
Marc:And I'm not.
Marc:I'm not as wrong.
Marc:The other email.
Marc:Subject line, nunnery meaning depends on context, thoughts on truth.
Marc:That's the subject line.
Marc:Mark, M-A-R-K.
Marc:Long time listener, I really enjoy the podcast.
Marc:This email is too long for its very inconsequential clarification of something you said.
Marc:But given your literature background, I thought you'd want to know dot, dot, dot the tone of this guy.
Marc:You know, the tone of people that are about to correct you righteously is always exciting, isn't it?
Marc:It kind of sends a little a little fucking squirt of negative juice up your spine.
Marc:I was listening to the Maniscalco Graham episode and heard you say, get thee to a nunnery after Heather said that her dad told her that he'd have liked to have sent her to a convent or a Catholic school.
Marc:In the context of that specific phrase from Hamlet, a nunnery is a whorehouse, not a convent, school, or a place for pure women.
Marc:I love your breadth of knowledge.
Marc:It's refreshing.
Marc:With your consistency of thought and not presenting falsehoods, you have become an authority.
Marc:quote-unquote authority, not just an articulate and funny guy.
Marc:Perhaps that's why Obama and many others who have important ideas to share have taken the time to be recorded with you?
Marc:While no one can know everything, it is shameful and dangerous for people who are in positions of authority and power to make up their own truths and ignore or obfuscate science and the scientific method in favor of passing off falsehoods as truths in order to suit their ideological needs and agendas.
Marc:What the fuck?
Marc:That was a bit of a projection.
Marc:Yeah, I didn't read Hamlet and I didn't study Hamlet and I didn't even know that nunnery was slaying for a whorehouse till I Google searched it.
Marc:I appreciate you recontextualizing or contextualizing my misuse of that quote properly.
Marc:Though nunnery is still a nunnery and nunnery was and I guess maybe still is a slang for a whorehouse.
Marc:And I understand that's the way it was meant in that play.
Marc:But for God's sakes, don't project all that shit onto me.
Marc:What are you out of your fucking mind?
Marc:I'm no authority of anything.
Marc:You maybe should go back all the way back.
Marc:Start correcting everything that I fucked up.
Marc:Ugh.
Marc:What?
Marc:Authority.
Marc:Don't project that.
Marc:I understand.
Marc:I got the same problem with what's going on in the world, pal.
Marc:But I ain't it.
Marc:You got that?
Marc:It ain't me.
Marc:Okay, so.
Marc:I was excited to talk to Jennifer Lawrence, and I think she's a great actress, and I think she's a great movie star.
Marc:And recently, people just can't leave her alone, and it kind of stinks.
Marc:It's amazing how galvanizing, one way or the other, women who are talented and attractive and deliver the goods in their chosen profession, how that just galvanizes assholes and galvanizes the opposite of assholes.
Marc:But boy, man, asshole galvanizer.
Marc:I mean, what the fuck is wrong with people?
Marc:Just let her act and do her thing and say what she wants.
Marc:Jesus Christ.
Marc:Anyway, she's here.
Marc:Jennifer Lawrence is here.
Marc:Her movie, her new film, Red Sparrow, opens this Friday, March 2nd.
Marc:This is me and Jennifer Lawrence here in the garage.
Guest:I have no other way of explaining, but I'm honestly like a ballistic missile right now.
Guest:Just don't ask me about anybody I don't like.
Guest:Don't ask me.
Marc:You're teasing me.
Guest:You're just setting me up.
Marc:This is like the easiest.
Marc:And you got a hammer.
Marc:I'm glad I have everything you need.
Marc:Glass marble.
Guest:I lost this.
Marc:So I showed you my empty house.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:And you don't want to buy it.
Guest:No, not at all.
Guest:But it's very charming.
Guest:It'd be a nice getaway.
Marc:In Highland Park, you could hide here.
Guest:Yeah, totally.
Marc:Where do you live?
Marc:In a fancy area?
Guest:Yeah, I live up in a big mansion up in Beverly Hills, obviously.
Marc:By yourself in a big mansion?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Do you have servants and people?
Guest:Be honest.
Guest:Yeah, one.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:One guy.
Guest:One servant.
Marc:One person who lives there all the time?
Guest:Horrible.
Guest:No, no, no.
Guest:Nobody lives there.
Guest:Just me and my dog, Pippi.
Marc:But you have somebody come over and do things.
Marc:You have an assistant.
Marc:You're full Hollywood, right?
Guest:I'm full Hollywood, yeah.
Marc:I'm fully staffed.
Marc:Did you put your own makeup on this morning?
Marc:I did.
Marc:Oh, it looks very good.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:I'm not like that.
Guest:Not that bad?
Guest:Yeah, I just have a security guard outside and didn't drive myself.
Marc:But other than that, I'm totally normal.
Marc:But he's not your regular guy.
Guest:No, I don't know who that guy is.
Guest:He could be a murderer.
Guest:Right, he was just here.
Marc:Right, he's here.
Marc:He said he was a security guard.
Marc:I believed him, but you don't know him?
Guest:I don't know him.
Marc:Should we call the authorities?
Guest:No.
Marc:No, he said he works for the film movie company.
Guest:Why don't I just start screaming and see what he does?
Marc:Let's not do that, because either way, I'm going to have to explain something.
Guest:Yeah, not in this client.
Marc:No, exactly.
Marc:I don't need that.
Marc:All right, so here we are.
Marc:So what did you learn about...
Guest:I already know the answer to your question.
Marc:Go ahead.
Guest:Nothing.
Marc:No.
Marc:I got a screener of the movie last minute, the new one.
Marc:I don't need to go into it.
Marc:Because you didn't watch it.
Marc:I didn't watch it.
Marc:We don't need to go into it because I don't know what to ask.
Marc:It's better if I don't watch it because then I don't spoil things.
Guest:No, I don't even need to talk about it.
Marc:really i know you don't but i want to know like want i i need to talk about it i need people we'll just mention it but like when i looked at what it was about i was curious about the russia thing did you did you do any research did you learn anything about russia did you speak in a russian accent did you go to russia i didn't do any of those things except i think i learned a russian accent but the uh really yeah but the people will say whether
Marc:Well, Russians are going to be like, no, she didn't get it.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:No, I'm sure it's terrible.
Marc:But how'd you do that?
Marc:Did you get a coach to train you in Russia?
Guest:Yeah, I got a dialect coach.
Guest:And then I was having this really pompous conversation with another actor about accents.
Guest:And I was just like, you know, to me, everything's really lyrical.
Guest:And I was like, wouldn't it be hilarious if the movie comes out and I just get obliterated?
Yeah.
Marc:Might happen, might not.
Guest:Yeah, it might.
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:But you had to do the accent.
Guest:I did the accent.
Guest:Yeah, but I didn't stay in the accent while I was on set, which I think if I ever do an accent.
Guest:You know what?
Guest:No, I can't.
Guest:I can't talk to people.
Guest:I can't.
Guest:I can't talk to the camera guys in the Russian accent.
Guest:No.
Marc:I work with Alison Brie, who has to turn a Russian accent on for GLOW for her wrestling character.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Does she stay?
Guest:No.
Marc:No, of course not.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Marc:I mean, she's supposed to, I don't even think it has to be a good one.
Guest:I'm so happy you said that.
Guest:I would have felt like such an asshole.
Marc:No, but I mean, how much can you, are you one of those people that generally commits like that?
Guest:No, I don't commit to anything.
Marc:Oh, good for you.
Marc:Yeah, that's good.
Marc:But so you didn't learn anything about Russia?
Guest:No, not really.
Marc:Good, good for you.
Marc:But you're from Russia.
Yeah.
Marc:You were from Russia?
Guest:In the movie, I'm a Russian prima ballerina, which is hilarious.
Guest:And then I'm injured and I get drafted into this program that still exists in the SVR.
Guest:It existed in the United States for a while until I think the 90s.
Guest:But these young recruits are trained in the art of sexual manipulation.
Guest:And how was that training for you?
Guest:It was really fun.
Guest:Now that I was method.
Yeah.
Marc:You had hang of that?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:You had some natural instincts for that?
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:I stayed in character for that.
Guest:Yeah, good for you.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But that was it?
Marc:You just were in the background and then the accent and you just did it?
Guest:Yeah, I did a little bit of ballet.
Guest:I felt like the whole time, as soon as I got into the costume, I just felt like Ace Ventura in the fucking combat boots in the mental hospital.
Guest:I'm the most ungraceful person.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I think everything actually worked, though, because I watched the movie and I'm a really harsh critic.
Guest:I personally, I've never seen this movie.
Guest:It's really unique.
Guest:It's like a dramatic espionage movie, but I've never seen one quite like this.
Guest:But what do I know?
Guest:I haven't even seen that many movies.
Marc:I like that Joel Edgerton guy.
Guest:He's great.
Guest:And everybody's great.
Guest:I mean, Charlotte Rampling and Jeremy Irons.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:No, it's a legit movie.
Guest:It's a very good movie.
Marc:It's a big movie.
Guest:Am I good in it?
Guest:Who can say?
Guest:That I don't know.
Guest:you can't say how did it feel it's okay i'm naked in the movie so please go you're naked in the movie yeah that's this is the men are gonna this is yeah i'm naked there's boobs and you agreed to it there's murder yeah i agreed it would be a much different conversation you're naked on purpose yeah i'm consensually nude there's murder espionage like i'm sorry i'm making sound with it whoa oh i dropped it it's all right it's right it's plastic it's a top it doesn't i'm nervous why are you nervous i don't know i've been a fan of yours for a really long
Marc:What does that mean?
Marc:You listen to this thing?
Guest:I used to watch your stand-up, and then I've been listening to your podcast, and obviously I saw you in Clo, and I don't know.
Guest:I think you're funny.
Marc:I think you're swell.
Marc:Thanks.
Marc:There's nothing to be nervous about.
Marc:I mean, you're awfully fidgety.
Guest:I'm really fidgety.
Guest:I told you.
Guest:I'm like a loaded gun right now.
Guest:You're touching.
Marc:She came in and she's touching everything.
Guest:I'm sorry.
Marc:She's touching everything.
Marc:On the desk.
Marc:But that Edgerton guy.
Guest:Yeah, he's fantastic.
Guest:He's so talented.
Guest:Did you see Black Mass?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:With Johnny Depp, the Whitey Bulger movie?
Marc:He was really good and creepy in that.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Is he creepy in this, or is he nice?
Guest:He's really nice.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, he's great in the movie.
Guest:Everybody's great, except me.
Guest:That's still up in the air.
Marc:No, you're going to be good.
Marc:Even if you don't think you're good, you're going to be good, because you're going to light up the screen.
Marc:You're going to be full of focus and charisma, and no one's going to know.
Guest:Oh.
Marc:They're not even going to pay attention to the accent.
Marc:It's like the accent was okay, but she was exciting.
Guest:Oh, thanks.
Guest:I just reviewed it.
Guest:You're like my dance mom.
Guest:Thank you so much.
Marc:I had Aronofsky in here.
Guest:Oh, did you?
Marc:You didn't listen to that one?
Guest:No, I didn't.
Marc:Oh.
Guest:But I didn't know he did it.
Guest:I can't believe he didn't tell me.
Guest:Darren.
Marc:Why didn't he tell you?
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:He's probably mad.
Marc:no he's not maybe oh well because i didn't see he came in here i didn't see mother i hadn't seen it oh and i tried to see it and he was he sort of offended you tried to see it that's highly offensive just say you either saw it or you didn't now i know why he was mad i'm mad too he didn't act mad i got like halfway through it and it was no but there was a lot to handle but i wasn't i was gonna finish it i just didn't i didn't i didn't have time to finish it
Marc:You're going to ask him if he's mad at me?
Guest:I'm going to say about to meet Marc Maron.
Guest:Thoughts?
Marc:No.
Marc:Yeah, see what he said.
Guest:Okay.
Marc:I actually have to email him, but I don't know him that well.
Guest:Why do you have to email him then?
Marc:To tell him I saw the fucking movie.
Guest:Oh, well, if you don't like it.
Marc:No, no, it wasn't a matter.
Marc:I like the movie.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Marc:I can't read your tone.
Marc:No, no.
Marc:You just have one of those harsh.
Marc:No, I meant to watch it.
Marc:I just, it took a lot and I didn't want to halfway watch it.
Marc:So when he got in here, I hadn't watched it.
Guest:My cat was missing.
Guest:There was a lot going on.
Guest:Okay, why do you have a cat?
Marc:I had three cats.
Marc:Why three?
Marc:Those are my pets.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:Not a dog.
Marc:I had dogs growing up.
Marc:I can't manage a dog.
Marc:Right.
Guest:It's like having a kid.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Fuck that.
Marc:Do you have any?
Guest:It's much better to have just a sociopathic asshole that doesn't give a shit about you.
Marc:I had three of them.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You got to work for it.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:It's not that they don't give a shit.
Marc:They give a shit.
Marc:You know, occasionally they give a shit.
Guest:My dad used to be infuriated by my cat's shadow.
Guest:He'd be like, he goes to the door like he wants to go out.
Guest:I opened the door.
Guest:He looks at me like I'm a fucking idiot.
Guest:Turns around, shows me his asshole and walks away.
Guest:And that's just always like encompass cats to me.
Guest:I was just like, okay, dad.
Marc:So there was a time where you liked a cat.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, I had a cat.
Marc:And your dad ruined it.
Guest:I don't know if he's ruined it so much as like pointed out a very real flaw in their personalities your dad talks like that yeah and you mean an accent well yeah but specifically like you just did him was that a good impression of your dad yeah he's great where is he is he still in where is he
Guest:They're driving.
Guest:They live in Louisville, Kentucky.
Guest:They're driving somewhere.
Guest:Louisville.
Guest:They're driving somewhere to a wedding.
Guest:I don't know where they're going.
Marc:I've been to Louisville.
Marc:Have you?
Marc:Yeah, I think there used to be an improv there, a comedy club or something.
Marc:Oh, cool.
Marc:I was there briefly.
Marc:I don't remember much.
Marc:Did you grow up there?
Guest:There's not too much to remember.
Guest:It's okay.
Marc:Lexington's pretty.
Guest:Lexington's pretty.
Guest:Is that close?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My brothers went to college there.
Guest:It's like 30 minutes.
Guest:It's a college town.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:They had a comedy club, too.
Marc:That wasn't invited back to years ago.
Guest:Oh, you weren't?
Marc:I'm shocked.
Marc:I think it was Jesus material.
Guest:It seems like you just make friends everywhere you go.
Marc:Back then, I was a little more intense, a little more difficult.
Marc:I was not as sociable, not as connected.
Marc:I was a little defensive.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:But your whole life, you grew up there?
Guest:No, just till I was 14, then I went to New York.
Marc:But like Kentucky, is your family, do you like them?
Guest:Yeah, I actually do.
Guest:I was having, I'm always talking about old conversations, and what if I'm really not, what if I don't have any friends, and they're all just in it.
Guest:And you're just making them up?
Guest:That would fit.
Guest:I have an amazing relationship with my family, because I was talking to somebody who's polite with their sibling, and they were like, it starts to annoy me after a few days.
Guest:And I was like, oh my God.
Guest:Well, stop the presses.
Guest:I was like, I just can't imagine ever being in a family where you're not like, get off me, asshole.
Guest:Like, fuck you.
Guest:My brother threw a remote at my head.
Marc:How many brothers?
Guest:I have two older brothers.
Marc:How is it not going to be a fucking chaos?
Guest:The same brother also threw a thermos at my head.
Guest:You know which one you are.
Marc:He disfigured me.
Marc:He threw a thermos at you?
Guest:Thermos at my head.
Marc:And you're the youngest?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Fuck.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And you had to deal with that?
Marc:Did they beat up on you too?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They beat up.
Guest:They were pretty.
Guest:One was like the oldest one.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He was pretty chill.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He taught me how to drive stick.
Marc:That's important.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, it's literally never come in handy until this podcast.
Guest:Until I can be like, did you know that I know how to drive manuals?
Marc:But the first car I had was manual, but I never got another one.
Marc:Right.
Marc:I decided when I learned how to drive a car to learn how to drive stick is how hard is automatic.
Marc:I might as well have a skill that I can apply to something.
Marc:Like stick is challenging.
Guest:It is.
Marc:And I burned through a lot of clutches.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Same.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Of a truck.
Marc:Of a Jeep.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Fucked it up.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So that guy was the older guy was good.
Marc:The middle guy.
Guest:Everybody was awful in their own ways.
Guest:What business did they end up in?
Guest:One's in tech.
Guest:Another one inherited the family farm and he runs a children's camp.
Guest:But yeah, we're all awful in our own ways and also wonderful in our own ways.
Guest:I mean, there's a million things they hate about me.
Guest:They hate how I tell stories.
Guest:They cannot stand to hear me tell a story.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I think that's probably it.
Marc:Wait, so when you start to tell a story, they're like, oh, fuck.
Guest:They just go, here's an idea.
Guest:Have a point.
Guest:Get to it quicker, asshole.
Guest:Which is good training for me.
Guest:I really learned to shorten up my story.
Marc:What was the business, the family business?
Guest:A farm, camp, and my dad owned a construction company.
Marc:A farm?
Marc:A farm.
Marc:With animals?
Guest:Yeah, horses and some goats.
Guest:We had some pigs, but one of them died.
Guest:Well, they all three died, but my publicist told me I shouldn't talk about that.
Guest:Your publicist told you not to talk about- Not to talk about how the pigs died.
Guest:That's on the list?
Guest:They weren't slaughtered for kill.
Marc:Oh, I see.
Marc:So that's on the list of things you can't talk about or you shouldn't talk about is the death of the pigs.
Guest:Do you see this marble?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That seems like a very esoteric, weird thing.
Marc:How did you get to that in the conversation with publicists of things you might not talk about?
Marc:Do you keep bringing up the dead pigs?
Guest:No, she's just with me on Press Store.
Guest:She hears the stories I tell about Kentucky when I get drunk, and she'll just, every once in a while, be like, not a talk show story.
Marc:You know?
Marc:I looked at your Wikipedia page.
Marc:It's very thorough.
Guest:Really?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I've never seen one so thorough.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:I've never seen one that thorough of somebody who doesn't have a book out.
Guest:Wow.
Marc:Yeah, there's a lot of information there.
Guest:Your publicist must be very on top.
Guest:What kind of information?
Guest:Would I like it?
Marc:That you sometimes are a pilot of commercial airliners.
Marc:Oh.
Marc:It's not on there.
Marc:That's a really dark joke.
Marc:Is it a dark joke?
Marc:I just thought that was the most extreme thing that could be on there that wouldn't be true.
Guest:Yeah, no, I just almost died in a plane, so that was super fucked up to bring up, but it's fine.
Guest:Is that public information?
Guest:I think so.
Marc:You almost died on a plane?
Guest:Yeah, but I talked about it on 60 Minutes, so it'll... So we don't need to talk about it?
Guest:You already did it?
Guest:It's already out?
Guest:I talked about it, yeah.
Guest:You know who I told recently?
Guest:Who?
Guest:I met Larry David.
Marc:You met Larry David?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You told him about the plane?
Guest:Yeah, because he has all sorts of phobias.
Guest:I have this problem where when I find out what somebody's phobia is, I was asking my friend about loving her child, and I was like, do you worry about them?
Guest:dying every day and she was like yeah of course like every day you worry and i was like that seems like a terrible like why would you have a kid i feel that i went into this documentary about i can't remember remember the name of it but um anyway murder suicide toddler dies right i can't i can't so i don't have kids i'm 54 i don't have kids yeah it's too much of the stress
Marc:I'm not married anymore.
Marc:I had two marriages, no kids.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:There's stress involved in everything.
Marc:I worry about kids I don't have right now.
Marc:Same.
Marc:Right?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I have general anxiety.
Guest:I don't need to love something that intensely.
Guest:I have general anxiety, too.
Marc:That's not going to... No, it's horrible.
Guest:Yeah, it's not going to...
Marc:Because how are you going to let them out of the house?
Marc:How are you going to let them sleep at night when they're really small?
Guest:No.
Marc:You're just going to leave them in a crib?
Guest:No, I'm not going to let them have cell phones.
Guest:What if they're a girl and they get Instagram and then they look at like models and they're like, why don't I look like that?
Guest:Right.
Marc:Or even if they don't like, they got to make it through infanthood.
Guest:What if they're a douche?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Which would probably happen.
Guest:What the fuck does that mean?
Marc:What the hell?
Marc:Well, I mean, it seems like... Explain yourself.
Marc:I'll try.
Marc:You're intense and excited and you speak your mind.
Marc:And in a youngster, that can be a little much.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Marc:I agree.
Marc:I am a loaded gun.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Well, what are you upset about?
Guest:North Korea.
Marc:Yeah, that's bad.
Guest:I really am.
Marc:Yeah, it's scary.
Marc:Every day is scary, especially if you have anxiety or disorder.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I'm the same way.
Marc:I check my phone constantly.
Marc:I'm filled with dread.
Guest:You said it perfectly.
Guest:I don't know what he's going to do next.
Guest:Sorry.
Guest:It's terrible, right?
Marc:You're making me sweat.
Marc:Now I'm getting sweaty.
Marc:Two anxious people.
Guest:It is hot in here.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Marc:Two general anxiety disorders.
Marc:What do you do for your general anxiety?
Guest:um nothing really i i just kind of you know life is is anxious there are things i'm never anxious for no reason if there's nothing to be anxious about then i'm calm and then when something comes along then i get anxious about it i feel like i'm pretty normal with that but your brain doesn't get overwhelmed with dread um you don't go that far my brain goes like from anxiety to like oh no we're all in trouble
Guest:Yeah, of course.
Guest:I guess I just feel like that's normal.
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:Is it not?
Marc:I don't think so.
Guest:How can you not be overwhelmed with dread?
Guest:That's a lack of intelligence, in my opinion.
Marc:Well, okay.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Some people would say maybe you should be on medicine.
Guest:No, I can't go on brain medicine.
Marc:No, I can't either.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But there's a lot of people on brain medicine and they should be on brain medicine.
Guest:I just I don't know what brain medicine is, but I can't work.
Guest:I have to be able to just like, you know, go fucking crazy.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But but I would think some people would argue with the idea that you shouldn't you should necessarily be filled with dread all the time.
Marc:But I do.
Marc:I'm with you, though.
Guest:I tried TM.
Marc:Transdental?
Guest:Yeah, it didn't take.
Marc:Yeah, how do you do that?
Guest:It didn't take.
Guest:I can't.
Guest:No, I sat for like two minutes and then I was just like, fuck this.
Marc:Yeah, because your brain's going and it seems like a waste of time.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Even if you have nothing better to do.
Guest:Yeah, I didn't have anything better to do.
Marc:But you couldn't sit there.
Guest:Yeah, but I couldn't.
Guest:I was going to jump out of my skin.
Marc:But did you pay the money for a thing?
Marc:For the mantra?
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:I have a mantra.
Marc:Do you want to know what it is?
Marc:But then you can't use it anymore.
Marc:What is it?
Guest:It sounds like Sherry Lansing.
Guest:I'd like to tell you the exact mantra.
Guest:But is it based on Sherry Lansing's name?
Guest:No, no, no.
Marc:Now you have a knife.
Guest:I do.
Guest:I found a knife.
Marc:Okay, so you just live with the anxiety.
Guest:Yeah, I just deal with it.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:No one got back yet?
Guest:No, Darren hasn't gotten back.
Marc:How's your anxiety handle the fact that he's not getting back to you?
Guest:Oh, it's fine.
Marc:But you're not really dating anymore, so it doesn't matter.
Guest:No, no, no.
Guest:We're very friendly exes.
Marc:How does that happen?
Guest:I'm friends with all my exes, actually.
Marc:Is that true?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, eh, one.
Guest:But no, for the most part, yeah.
Marc:Because they want to be or do you just accept it or are you actually friends?
Guest:I have a theory.
Guest:I think it's because I'm blunt.
Guest:I don't think that you can have any sort of bad relationship with anybody if you're just blunt.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Everybody always knows how you feel at all times.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And there's no lying.
Guest:It's just honesty.
Guest:And everybody's a good guy to each other.
Guest:All my boyfriends have been wonderful.
Marc:Did any of them break your heart?
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:No.
Marc:Right.
Guest:No.
Guest:Broke other stuff.
Guest:I didn't mean like that.
Guest:I meant like confidence.
Marc:There's just wreckage.
Marc:Ceramic pieces everywhere.
Marc:Glass.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:No broken hearts though.
Marc:See, I think that would make a difference.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:So I have something to look forward to.
Marc:Well, I think the bluntness is a good way of keeping... No, I mean, my heart breaks.
Guest:Every time I go through a breakup, it's not like my heart isn't broken.
Guest:They just never did anything to devastate me.
Guest:They were just good people.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:Well, good for you.
Guest:Maybe that's also the secret.
Guest:I'm attracted to good people.
Guest:Are you?
Guest:I am.
Guest:All the time?
Guest:Yeah, it's really weird.
Marc:It is weird.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Because it would seem... I'm projecting, though.
Marc:I would think that maybe there'd be one lunatic that you were...
Guest:I just mouthed to him.
Guest:Oh, there.
Marc:Yeah, of course.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:What about that guy?
Guest:He's still alive.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So.
Marc:All right.
Marc:So you started acting like when and how old were you?
Guest:I was 14 when I went to New York, but I was like, I didn't really start working until I was like 16.
Guest:And then I did an indie and was on a sitcom.
Marc:I know you've talked about this stuff before, but you, you just like, you just, you didn't get trained or anything.
Marc:Someone just found you.
Guest:Yeah, no, I didn't have any training or anything.
Guest:But I mean, every time I do a movie, a director is an acting coach.
Guest:So it's not like I'm, you know, just freewheeling all over the place.
Guest:But no.
Marc:Yeah, because Darren had amazing things to say about you.
Guest:Yeah, Darren's wonderful.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I don't know.
Guest:I just got like discovered, you know, somebody took a picture of me on in New York and then I went to modeling agencies and then they made me do like a cold read for like a serial commercial.
Guest:And then by that time, I've always had an ego and I'm so ambitious that by the time I got done with a serial audition, I was just like, well, I'm going to be a fucking.
Marc:That's where it started.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The serial audition.
Marc:I'm going to be a movie.
Marc:I have to be.
Marc:But someone just found you and took a picture of you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I was watching street dancing in New York.
Marc:Really?
Guest:I swear to God.
Guest:I'm not.
Guest:My whole life isn't based on a lie.
Guest:No, I know that, but I just get it.
Guest:Just the look on your face.
Guest:It looks like you're trying to get me to be like, all right, I admit it.
Guest:My dad is a chairman of everything.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But it's such an odd story.
Marc:It's crazy.
Marc:Walking around like, oh, look at that little girl.
Guest:I mean, I hope, yeah, I mean, not as creepy as that.
Guest:Different tone.
Guest:Yeah, different tone.
Guest:Like, oh, look at that little girl.
Guest:Wow, she looks like she'd be a movie star.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, it's not like as gravelly as you just did it.
Guest:Yeah, look at that little girl.
Guest:Where's my camera?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So, yeah, that guy in that sweet tone took a picture of me and then boom, bada, bing.
Marc:And then followed you?
Marc:You were with your parents or something?
Guest:I was with my mom.
Guest:He was like, excuse me, I'm a scout for modeling.
Guest:Can I have your picture?
Guest:And I was just like, well, absolutely.
Guest:Because my whole life, I thought I was butt-ass ugly because that's what my brothers always said to me.
Guest:So I was like, this will be cool.
Guest:And then they took my picture.
Guest:And then also, anybody who's been to New York to visit, you're just looking for shit to do.
Guest:So we were like, this will be cool.
Guest:We'll go to modeling agencies.
Guest:So your mom was on board?
Guest:to the meetings but like as soon as we'd leave she'd be like they just want our money um they weren't even asking for money but she was like they want something yeah um and then i just talked about it yeah exactly just just her innocence um and then um yeah and then i just talked about it you know non-stop incessantly and then i i was like i'm leaving i'm going you're going to hollywood yeah well new york new york and then i eventually went to la when i was 16.
Marc:And they let you go by yourself?
Marc:Or who went with you?
Guest:Somebody went with me.
Guest:This part is hard.
Guest:So somebody went with me, but she was gone kind of a lot.
Guest:And I had this landlord that would try to unscrew my locks with screwdrivers and be like, why are you not in school?
Guest:And I'd call the police.
Marc:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And my brother came out with me.
Guest:But he was like 18.
Guest:And we were both like, we're going to die.
Marc:You were both in New York.
Marc:You were 14 or 15.
Guest:Yeah, I was 14 and my brother was 18.
Marc:So your mom and dad sent him up there to watch over you?
Guest:Well, my mom and dad had to run the camp.
Guest:And then as soon as the camp was over, my dad was like, you have to come back to Kentucky now.
Guest:And I had had anxiety my whole life.
Guest:And I was better.
Guest:And I went to therapy and whatever.
Guest:I had anxiety.
Guest:And I was happy in New York.
Guest:So for a mom, that was hard for my mom to see.
Guest:There was a real difference in my happiness.
Marc:Do you think that it was like a riddle and effect of all the things going on around you?
Marc:Like, like New York.
Guest:Honestly, totally.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's what New York, New York is very.
Marc:It's calming.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:If you're anxious because it's like, it's more anxious than you are.
Guest:Yeah, totally.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's a power.
Guest:It's got so much power to it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And it was calming.
Marc:That's wild.
Marc:So when you went to therapists for anxiety, what did they tell you?
Guest:I was so young.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I would just color and be like, I don't know.
Guest:I feel dread all the time.
Guest:Oh, I actually wrote a poem.
Guest:I should have brought.
Guest:I wrote a poem about my anxiety.
Marc:When you were a little kid.
Guest:When I was a little kid.
Guest:And it was like, what if my brothers go to war?
Guest:What if my dad walks out the door?
Guest:Oh, wow.
Marc:So you're plagued by this forever.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I was born with it.
Marc:So did it disable your ability?
Marc:Did you have friends when you were a kid?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, I wasn't.
Marc:Like completely scared of everybody?
Guest:Fucking freak.
Marc:It didn't completely immobilize you socially.
Guest:No, I wasn't immobilized.
Guest:I'm still not immobilized by it.
Guest:It's not a big deal to me.
Guest:It's just, yeah, that makes me anxious.
Guest:But when you're younger, it stinks.
Guest:Of course it does.
Guest:I got terrible cramps.
Guest:I have a very emotional stomach I've learned.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:When I was young, I would like get all these like cramps and they were unexplainable.
Guest:It was like too young, you know, for that.
Guest:Yeah, for sure.
Guest:Those kind of cramps.
Guest:And it was just like anxiety.
Guest:And then I was on a press tour and I was convinced that I had an ulcer.
Guest:And then when I didn't have an ulcer, I was like, well, then I have stomach cancer because the pain is very real.
Guest:And they were like, well, of course.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I ended up two or three times a month, I thought.
Marc:Good, good for you.
Marc:With different things, pretty sure you have them.
Guest:Well, consistently, my doctor told me he was not testing me for Epstein-Barr anymore, but I finally feel like it took two weeks for the Epstein-Barr test to come back, and in those two weeks,
Guest:Now I have it.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Does that make sense?
Marc:Sure, you caught it.
Guest:Now I have Epstein-Barr.
Marc:You thought yourself into Epstein-Barr.
Guest:Two weeks ago when I got tested, I didn't.
Guest:Now I do.
Marc:How could you possibly have Epstein-Barr?
Marc:You're awake.
Marc:Your brain's clicking on all cylinders.
Marc:What would make you think you have Epstein-Barr?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Does it even exist anymore?
Guest:It's a tangible disease.
Guest:It's something, you know, I can grasp it.
Marc:Like it's possible and you can live with it.
Marc:And it seems, you know, it's a little vague.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's vague enough that like, why, why wouldn't I have it?
Marc:Sure.
Guest:I don't really believe in anything.
Marc:I just, I just don't know why someone full with anxiety, you don't go right to cancer all the time.
Marc:I do that.
Guest:Of course I go to cancer all the time.
Marc:Oh, and then doesn't your doctor say, look, you don't have cancer.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So the point is... I get my white blood cells looked at.
Marc:You do?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:So you're a little hypochondriac... I don't know where you're getting that.
Marc:I'm just feeling it.
Marc:So you get stomach problems, and that's how your anxiety manifests itself.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I can't breathe.
Marc:Sometimes my neck... Oh, the back of your neck burns?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, your neck goes out.
Marc:Tight.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But usually it's my chest.
Guest:My shoulder has been clicking, which is either fibromyalgia.
Guest:You have that too, right?
Marc:That's like Epstein-Barr.
Marc:You might as well have both of those.
Guest:I might as well.
Guest:Yeah, it's been clicking and I think it's about to go out.
Guest:So I guess I'm also having neck problems.
Marc:Can I ask you a question?
Marc:Please.
Marc:So do you think that you developed this panic and this need for attention?
Marc:wow but because your brothers were so like all-consuming and like you were feeling left out because i try to figure out why why do i need attention with this sickness like why do i have to go to doctor my dad was a doctor and now i go like i used to go to doctors like i'm dying they're like no you don't i'm like do you love me you know right right so like i heard you talk about your dad to bruce springsteen
Marc:Yeah, because it's similar in a way.
Marc:Bruce was heavy.
Marc:But do you ever try to track the anxiety?
Guest:I didn't think of it that way.
Guest:You could be totally right.
Guest:I saw it just more as fear.
Guest:I'm so afraid of being sick that I want to make sure I'm not sick.
Marc:Right, but you're afraid of everything, right?
Guest:Yeah, maybe it was rooted in attention.
Guest:I mean, we can't look past the fact that I am an actor.
Guest:That obviously is some sort of mental illness.
Marc:It is a mental illness.
Guest:A little bit.
Guest:A touch.
Marc:But you happy with it?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:I'm thrilled with where it's gotten me.
Marc:I'm happy with the results.
Marc:Are you able to go outside and stuff?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I actually, everybody's always like, oh my, it's really not bad.
Guest:I live a pretty normal, it goes in waves.
Guest:There are some times where, like if I have a movie coming out or something, it's a little more intense.
Guest:But I don't, no, I can...
Marc:You're not being followed by paparazzi all the time?
Guest:No.
Marc:All right, so you're 14, you're in New York, and your brother's there, and you don't go to school.
Marc:No.
Guest:Well, it was summer.
Marc:Okay, and then you go back.
Marc:What kind of camp does your dad have?
Guest:My mom started it.
Guest:It's a children's day camp.
Marc:Just for regular kids?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Well, no, I mean, it's not for... It's for everyone.
Guest:No, I get that, but I mean... Yeah, everyone.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Some camps are for special kids.
Guest:I know.
Guest:They can come, too.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Yeah, everyone.
Marc:You're equipped.
Marc:They're equipped to deal with all kids.
Guest:Yes, I think.
Marc:Let me text my brother.
Marc:Yeah, get everyone going.
Marc:No one's responding.
Guest:Let me see if Darren responds.
Marc:You know, now I'm just like, now I'm completely, I have no idea why Darren's not responding.
Guest:Oh, no, you have anxiety.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:This whole thing's causing me anxiety.
Guest:I hate meeting somebody.
Guest:My worst anxiety is social anxiety when I first meet somebody.
Marc:Like this?
Guest:Yeah, like this kind of scenario, but I'm picturing nighttime not working.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Just kind of like any time I meet somebody, I know that night I'm going to be met with.
Guest:Just, oh, my God.
Guest:People you've never met before?
Guest:Yeah, because I'm like an oversharer, and then sometimes...
Guest:Well, every time I overshare, I get anxiety, but then I'm also like, God, that's like so much to just like unload on somebody.
Marc:And then you drink too, right?
Marc:Yeah, I drink.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Why not?
Marc:I just watched you host a talk show and it seemed like that- That I was drunk?
Marc:No, you were very good.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:But the oversharing seems to get exacerbated when you have a cup of cocktails.
Guest:Right, of course.
Guest:Of course.
Guest:I don't see what that has to do with anything.
Guest:So, what?
Guest:Well, I could go back to one of your stand-ups about Scottish people.
Guest:Alcoholism is a disease, not a lifestyle to defend.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:You were watching me then?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I told you.
Guest:That's why I was nervous.
Marc:All right, so you're in New York, and you come out here, and you're on Bill Ingvall's show?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then on the hiatus of the Bill Ingvall show, I did a movie called The Poker House.
Marc:But, like, what was that?
Marc:Like, you did three cameras, so you just, you got right in it?
Marc:I think it was five cameras.
Marc:Five cameras?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Bill Ingvall's a comic.
Marc:He tells stories.
Guest:Yeah, he's very funny.
Marc:And you played his, like, kooky daughter?
Guest:I played his, like, teenage daughter.
Marc:Right, and you were a teenager.
Marc:You were, like, 16?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And you're just out here.
Marc:You have no parent experience.
Guest:No, no, no.
Guest:My parents... Oh, sorry.
Guest:I should go back.
Guest:So my dad wanted to get us out of New York.
Guest:I was like, this is crazy.
Guest:Come home.
Guest:My mom defended me.
Guest:I was like, she's happy.
Guest:You know, I believe in her.
Guest:And my brothers actually were the ones that came to the rescue.
Guest:And they said, you went to all of our baseball games.
Guest:You went to Florida, which was really far for us then.
Guest:For baseball?
Guest:For baseball and like all that kind of stuff.
Guest:They were like, this is our baseball diamond and you have to support her.
Guest:So my parents were like, okay.
Marc:Let's just have the emotion of that for a minute, can we?
Guest:Oh, that's sweet.
Marc:It is sweet.
Marc:I felt it.
Guest:Oh, you did?
Marc:I did.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But it also plays into my theory about the anxiety.
Guest:Why?
Marc:It's sort of like they had to be convinced to be there for your good time and supportive of it.
Yeah.
Guest:As opposed to telling me that you are telling me that I was faking being happy in New York so that I could continue acting.
Guest:No, no.
Marc:What I'm saying is that the brothers knew innately that they got a lot more attention than you.
Guest:Oh, maybe.
Guest:Maybe.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I'm sorry.
Marc:I'm amateur.
Marc:I'm amateur.
Marc:I'm just following a thread.
Guest:So am I. I'm actually worse than amateur.
Guest:I'm like really, really listened to, but so not well-trained or controlled.
Marc:Just in life?
Guest:Just like media.
Guest:I tried media training, and it was really helpful.
Guest:I liked it.
Guest:I was watching an episode.
Marc:Media training?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:What is that?
Guest:It's just where somebody tells you what you're doing wrong, and...
Guest:in terms of presenting yourself yeah just like don't look down so much and you know when was this like a month or two ago yeah i will well i don't want to talk about exactly when because if i did a really good interview i don't i want people to think that like it just came out of nowhere yeah but no one's gonna say like oh she did she was media trained clearly that's all you don't know i know people there's a lot of assholes out there
Marc:Oh, I know.
Marc:More.
Marc:Yeah, well, for you?
Marc:No, I just mean period.
Marc:Oh, now.
Marc:No, always.
Marc:Always a lot of assholes, but now there's a lot more assholes who are proud.
Guest:No, no, full stop.
Guest:There are a lot of assholes out there.
Guest:Always have been, always will be.
Guest:Now there's a period.
Marc:Got it.
Marc:So, your parents, listen to your brothers.
Guest:You are so eclectic.
Guest:You've got so many things in your pocket.
Guest:There's so many things around the garage.
Guest:My parents, sorry.
Marc:No, no, go ahead.
Marc:Tell me.
Guest:Do we need to apologize to the listeners?
Guest:You actually do remind me of Darren in this, do you guys have like a similar birthday or something?
Marc:Jews.
Guest:Oh, Jews.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:There you go.
Guest:He's brought up Jews and now I can't talk.
Marc:That explains it.
Marc:He's a little more of a, like, he's more of a professory Jew than I am.
Guest:Yeah, I can see that.
Guest:You would be like a professor of philosophy.
Guest:Right, right.
Marc:He's a math Jew.
Marc:I'm a philosophy Jew.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right?
Marc:Mm-hmm.
Guest:So then my parents came to L.A.
Guest:So I wasn't alone in L.A.
Guest:My parents were with me.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But so when you come out here, I can't, you didn't have any training as an actor.
Guest:No.
Marc:So you're working on, like you're doing a sitcom, and then you do the movie, and then you do Winter's Bone, which was great.
Marc:That's the one I first saw you in.
Marc:Winter's Bone, yeah.
Marc:That's the one where everyone was like, who the fuck is that girl?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:What do you mean by that?
Guest:Like in a good way.
Marc:No, like at that time, there was a slight amount of frustration when I was impressed with somebody.
Marc:What the fuck is that?
Marc:What the fuck is that?
Marc:Where does she come from?
Marc:Did someone invent her?
Marc:What is that?
Marc:And I think a lot of people said that.
Guest:Oh, thank you.
Marc:But isn't that the one that did it?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Winter's Bone.
Guest:And then when I was nominated for Winter's Bone, I ended up getting Hunger Games.
Guest:So then that pretty much sealed the deal.
Marc:You were nominated for an Oscar for Winter's Bone?
Guest:Yes.
Marc:That was the first time.
Marc:And you were like nine.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:You were 12, 16, 19, 20.
Guest:I was 18 or 19.
Marc:You were 18 or 19.
Guest:I couldn't drink alcohol.
Guest:I could have been 20.
Guest:Fuck it.
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:That's pretty astounding, isn't it?
Guest:Thank you.
Guest:Well, no, but how did you- Yeah, I mean, it is, yeah.
Guest:It's crazy.
Marc:How did you feel when you get nominated for an- Who directed that?
Marc:Debra Granik.
Marc:All right, Debra Granik.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So she books you because you were in another movie.
Guest:No, no, no.
Guest:She hadn't seen any of my movies.
Guest:Nobody would have seen my movies.
Guest:She certainly didn't see Billy Ball Show.
Guest:But there was only the one?
Guest:I auditioned, and they were like, she's not the look we're going for.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Which I took as a compliment.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And then I went back.
Guest:What was the look?
Guest:Like her Billy- Yeah, like, you know, a real-
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:You know, the real thing.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And then I went back.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And they were like, you weren't invited.
Guest:But I went back anyway.
Guest:What do you mean?
Guest:And then they moved.
Guest:Like, I just went to the- You wanted the role.
Guest:I didn't get the call back.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But I just went to the place where they were auditioning.
Guest:I was like, hello.
Guest:My name is-
Guest:I was here the other day.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Try it again.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then they closed casting in L.A., moved to New York.
Guest:And then I took a red eye to New York, invited myself again to the casting.
Guest:So I think at this point they were just frightened.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:You don't have an agent at this point?
Guest:No, I did, but they were like, yeah, I mean, if you want to go for it, go for it.
Guest:Yeah, I mean, still to this day, my agents are like, I don't know, Jen.
Guest:You just kept going?
Guest:You're going to do whatever you want anyway, just fucking do it.
Marc:Yeah, so you kept showing up?
Guest:I just kept showing up, yeah.
Marc:And they gave it to you?
Guest:Yeah, and then finally with the red eye, you know, and not sleeping, they were like, oh, she's the perfect.
Guest:Yeah, look at the energy.
Guest:That's exactly, yeah.
Guest:I had my five o'clock shadow coming in.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You were cranky.
Guest:Yeah, cranky as fuck.
Marc:Intense, wide open because you were tired and punchy.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So then history is made.
Marc:But in terms of how you handle the performance, I talk to actors now because I do some acting myself, and I really wasn't trained either, except in college a little bit here now.
Marc:I can tell you.
Marc:Thank you very much.
Marc:But my question is, you just innately do the stuff that you do?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I mean, the character's given to you.
Guest:It's in writing.
Guest:With Red Sparrow, my first initial reaction just from hearing it is like, okay, she's Russian.
Guest:She's had to be a survivor on a level that me or anybody I know is never going to be able to understand.
Guest:Her entire body belongs to the state.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:They give you the character and then you just feel what they're feeling and then comes out and pow!
Marc:yeah and that's it that's that's that's the uh that's the the warrants process i read there's pow written on his mug yeah yeah yeah yeah pow i just shit my pants was a slogan oh it doesn't continue on to say i shit my i don't do that plug anymore it was a plug i invented for a coffee sponsor they don't ever do this with your facial hair again what do you mean okay why i'm going back to it no i like the full beard
Marc:The full beard?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, from the special?
Marc:I like that.
Marc:I did that for a reason.
Marc:I did that for an acting job.
Marc:Oh, I like it.
Marc:You do?
Guest:Yeah, I mean, this is like, what is that?
Guest:Is it a mustache?
Guest:Is it a goatee?
Guest:Is it a soul patch?
Guest:It's both.
Guest:It doesn't know what it wants to be.
Marc:There's a patch and a mustache.
Guest:Yeah, I know.
Marc:You don't like, no?
Guest:No.
Marc:Really?
Guest:I like the commitment.
Marc:Either the full beard, but not.
Guest:You live in Highland Park, you gotta have a beard.
Marc:I'm on my way out, man.
Marc:I've had beards before.
Marc:You moving to Brooklyn?
Marc:Yeah, I'm gonna go back to Brooklyn and get some joppers and a hat.
Yeah.
Marc:All right, so that's your process.
Marc:You just feel it.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Now, can we talk about David O. Russell?
Marc:Please.
Marc:You like that guy.
Guest:I love him.
Marc:He likes you.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:He loves you.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You're his muse of some kind.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Well, I mean, I can't say that.
Marc:But, you know, you feel it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Are you doing another movie with him?
Guest:Of course.
Guest:I think maybe in the fall.
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:Really?
Marc:That quickly?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:What is it?
Marc:How did that relationship happen where it's like so second nature for you to go?
Marc:Of course, I'll just like do any movie that that guy wants me to do.
Guest:I don't, we just really, I don't know.
Guest:We understand each other.
Guest:I think he's brilliant.
Marc:He's a complicated guy.
Guest:Yeah, of course.
Guest:Most brilliant people are complicated.
Guest:That's why I'm so easygoing.
Marc:Are you easygoing?
Guest:Oh my God, I'm neither.
Guest:I'm not brilliant or easygoing.
Marc:You're brilliant, but I don't feel like easygoing.
Marc:I think you're fun.
Guest:I think I would surprise you with how easygoing I am.
Marc:Are you defying me?
Marc:No, I'm not really.
Marc:Yeah, that's like-
Guest:I'll show you.
Marc:I'll show you.
Marc:How easy going I can be.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:No, but like he cast you when you were very young when Silver Linings, right?
Guest:I was 20.
Guest:I turned 21 on the movie.
Guest:And I don't know.
Guest:We just really clicked.
Guest:And I don't know what it is.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I mean, we have a similar sense of humor, similar sense of reality and cinema.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:We have those things in common.
Marc:Well, it seems like with that movie, like after The Fighter and then Silver Linings that, you know, he sort of, he started shooting in a very kind of visceral way.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right?
Marc:The Silver Linings was all up in, you know, your kookiness.
Marc:Uh-huh.
Marc:I watched that movie a couple times a year.
Guest:Really?
Marc:Yeah, it helps me.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Marc:Like, I understand, you know, when people are that mentally fragmented, the emotions cannot be helped.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And to reconcile those is an amazing thing.
Guest:Yeah, the only way out is through.
Marc:But he had a lot of faith in you and you guys, what's your working process with him?
Marc:I have to assume that with every director, and you've worked with a lot of big directors, that they're molding you somehow in terms of acting.
Marc:They guide you somehow.
Marc:So how did Russell work with you?
Guest:I mean, our process is kind of, I don't want to say private, because that makes it sound, but it's like, it's magic, and David doesn't like talking about it, because he's like, oh, it's magic, why do we have to talk about it?
Marc:Yeah, I don't think he likes talking, period.
Guest:Yeah, but...
Guest:I can start feeling, I understand him and whatever he is, even before we ever met, like his, I watched it, I heard Huckabees and I was like, who is that motherfucker?
Guest:Like that is my exact sense of humor.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like fucking fireman boots.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Uranium.
Guest:So I can start understanding, you know, when he starts writing something, he's such a beautiful writer and his characters that it immediately clicks even before he's finished writing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, we talk a lot and-
Marc:During the writing process.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, he's writing everything.
Marc:You know, we talk and- But now after Since Silver Linings, you know, he writes with you in mind sometimes.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then on set, I don't know, it changes for what we need.
Guest:Sometimes he gets very, he can almost put you in like in a trans.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:Which actually led to my greatest pun when we forgot to audition a woman to play my mom and he got upset that he didn't put her in a trans and I said, you missed your trans.
Yeah.
Guest:um anyway in which movie and uh joy um so um but virginia ended up doing fantastic yeah but um so that was before we met virginia um anyway and then we go and said he can either do that or he's also like i grew up like in sports and as i said this is why i'm friends with ex-boyfriends very blunt i appreciate blunt communication yeah like i don't you don't need to walk around me like i'm an emotional landmine and yeah i'm not sensitive it's not gonna like be amazing every time
Guest:so he's just like oh god that was so bad oh god and I'm like really that bad huh and he's like yeah you know do one but like with no bullshit and I understand what that means I'll be like faster faster say this and I like it it's really empowering he really gives me I feel like when I'm with him it's like this creative outlet that is going to make me live longer I don't go to the doctor when I'm on his movie so it's like an active improvisation almost
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But he's coming up with all these characters and he's never not coming up with the most brilliant characters.
Marc:But he'll tell you while you're in the scene to do it again or do it faster or try this, try that.
Marc:And he'll just keep going.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Well, that's exciting.
Guest:Yeah, it's fun.
Marc:How was it working with Bradley?
Marc:He seems like a solid actor.
Guest:He's great.
Guest:Yeah, well, Bradley, yeah.
Guest:I mean, we really, we work together really well.
Guest:We should actually do something together again.
Marc:We did Joy and Silver Linings?
Guest:And American Hustle.
Marc:Oh, that's... Yeah.
Marc:Russell likes him too, I guess.
Yeah.
Guest:yeah he actually just directed a movie and i just saw it and it's fucking phenomenal is it out yet he's gonna be one of the great so he's gonna be an amazing director really yeah do you want to direct um not anymore that's out yeah i don't it's it's really hard and there's just no glory there's just if it doesn't suck then everyone's like oh okay you know it doesn't suck and then if it's bad then your whole life is ruined i don't know
Marc:Well, this is like, what, the fourth or fifth movie you did with Francis Lawrence, too, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:The Hunger Games guy.
Marc:Yeah, I repeat a lot of... Well, they must like working with you.
Guest:Well, I hope so, yeah.
Marc:And this movie that, you know, did he pick you for Red Sparrow?
Guest:He did, yeah.
Marc:And this is the first movie that's sort of like, it's not a superhero movie.
Guest:Yeah, it's adult.
Marc:It's your movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:you're the one yeah there's no superstar dude it's a jennifer lawrence movie thank you yeah that's why i really need people to go see it does it make you nervous yeah like it's all on you well yeah i mean i just want to you know i want it to do well right and i think i think people are excited they always go they want to they want to experience whatever you're doing
Guest:Yeah, I get more anxiety as I get.
Guest:I used to not even think about like when a movie came out.
Guest:I used to not know genuinely when a movie was really like the day would it would open and I wouldn't even know.
Guest:I didn't look at numbers.
Guest:Now I'm like an adult and I'm like, no, it matters.
Guest:The movie doesn't do well.
Guest:That's bad.
Marc:But you're going to be OK.
Guest:Thank you.
Marc:I mean, like, are you going to go back?
Marc:Do you have a craving to do, like, little tiny movies again?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, because the last few movies have been fucking huge.
Guest:Yeah, I know.
Marc:I like Joy, too.
Guest:Oh, thank you.
Guest:I wouldn't call Joy huge.
Marc:No, no, no.
Marc:I mean, I don't know.
Marc:No, I wouldn't call it huge.
Marc:But, I mean, like, X-Men, Passengers.
Marc:Well, Mother was Mother.
Marc:The Red Sparrow.
Marc:Then you have another X-Men coming out.
Guest:Oh, I forgot.
Guest:There's an X-Men coming out.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Everything that I've got set up to do next, I think, is indie.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I'd also like to start a production company and make indies.
Marc:When are we doing that?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I mean, when are you doing it?
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:Can't you just call a guy or a friend?
Guest:I called the guy.
Guest:I called the guy.
Guest:I don't know what else I need to do.
Marc:The production partner guy?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I thought you were in on this.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I made some phone calls.
Guest:I had a meeting, but I don't know what else I do.
Marc:So let's talk about the Aronofsky thing.
Marc:But wait, I want to talk about American Hustle.
Marc:I had to watch that like four or five times.
Guest:Why did you have to watch it four or five times?
Marc:Because I didn't know what the tone was.
Marc:That's a hell of a critique.
Marc:Do you know what I'm saying?
Marc:No, I see what you're saying.
Marc:Is this a comedy?
Marc:Am I supposed to buy this?
Marc:Is he trying to do a 70s thing?
Marc:Is there a genre happening?
Marc:There's only one moment of violence in a movie that should have been filled with violence.
Marc:It's a very weird thing.
Guest:Where was the violence?
Guest:Oh, when he got the bag over his head?
Marc:No, when De Niro shoots a guy in the past, that's the only time you see something.
Guest:Oh, yeah, he did shoot somebody.
Marc:Right?
Marc:But that's it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You want more violence.
Marc:No, I just didn't know exactly what, and with Joy, too, it's like they're unique movies tonally because you're like, what's happening?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:How am I supposed to take this in?
Guest:But that's something David finds humor in the reality of real life drama.
Guest:No, yeah.
Guest:I like him.
Marc:I like him.
Marc:Like that movie was sort of like, is this happening in a real time zone?
Guest:Right.
Marc:Where is this happening?
Marc:Is this real world?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, we didn't even have a greenlit script when we started doing that.
Guest:He was like writing as we were going.
Guest:It was crazy.
Guest:Can you explain why?
Marc:Very exciting.
Marc:Where those ideas for him come from?
Marc:Like if you're part of the creative process, do you know why he was compelled to make joy?
Yeah.
Guest:I don't know where the ideas come from.
Guest:I just normally get a middle of the night phone call.
Marc:I got one.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You ready?
Guest:Totally.
Guest:And then it's like, yeah, let's do it.
Marc:She invented a mop.
Guest:You in?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's how it goes.
Guest:I don't know where he gets these ideas.
Guest:I mean, his latest idea now that we might do in the fall, it's just like, he was trying to pitch it to me.
Guest:It took like six hours and I was like, what?
Guest:And then his latest pitch was like, I was like, fuck.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:He tightened it up.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He tightened it up.
Guest:I mean, like it was like six hours.
Guest:I was like, David, what?
Guest:Oh my God.
Marc:So he actually talked through the entire film with you.
Marc:Like the entire concept.
Marc:You probably helped him out.
Marc:That's probably why he loves working with you outside of your fun actress and you're great.
Marc:Is that like she listens and I can do a whole outline in one phone call.
Guest:And he didn't have to type anything.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:She just receives it.
Guest:She gets it.
Guest:That gives me confidence.
Guest:There's just X's over my eyes.
Guest:I'm like weekend at Bernie's.
Guest:Got sunglasses on.
Guest:Thank you for your help.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:How did mother happen?
Guest:um mother i i've been a fan of darren's um which one's particular uh well pie you know it was brilliant wrestler wrestler i think was one of the one of the best films ever made right yeah um so when i heard he wanted to do a movie wanted to meet with me i was like yes and so he came out to atlanta because i was shooting passengers we met he told me he didn't he hadn't written anything yet it was just kind of
Guest:general themes and he and i are kind of on the same page you're on the same page the environment we both believe that climate change is real so you know that's a strong stance um so he was like just throwing out these huge themes and it just seemed just brilliant to me and the way he wanted to shoot it like a three-month rehearsal process i had never really rehearsed
Guest:at all so that was going to be interesting and um i don't know it just seemed it just seemed like a bundle of brilliance that i wanted to be on board with and as a filmmaker i trusted him he pitched it as an environmental movie he pitched it as you know an allegory right for a multitude of things because the the creation of mankind was creation of religion which is the creation of good you know war and and and the difference in languages and
Marc:How long did it take him to pitch the idea that he hadn't written yet to you?
Guest:Eight and a half hours.
Guest:I'm just kidding.
Marc:He beat David O. Russell.
Guest:No, he flew in, pitched me, left.
Guest:The whole thing was probably like an hour and a half.
Guest:And then I was like, he's hot.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:He's got big ideas, that guy.
Guest:Yeah, I remember I was holding my dog, and I shut the door, and when the door shut, I went, Pippi, that's called sexual tension.
Guest:That was it?
Guest:Yeah, well, that was it for me, but he played hard to get for like nine months.
Marc:Nine months?
Guest:Yeah, maybe longer, I don't know.
Marc:Wow.
Guest:Yeah, which just killed me.
Marc:And how long did it last?
Guest:I mean, if we count everything, I mean, I feel like two years.
Marc:Oh, yeah?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I have been saying two years for so long, and he's like, it's been like six months.
Guest:And then, I don't know.
Guest:I think two years.
Guest:I mean, I was in love with him for two years.
Marc:And then it went away?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:No, I still love him very much.
Marc:But you're not in love with him.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:I don't want to talk about this anymore.
Guest:I'm oversharing.
Marc:Is that a publicist's word?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's a media training word.
Marc:But when you look at the final product of Mother, what was your... I loved it.
Guest:I love it.
Guest:I think it's brilliant.
Marc:I do too.
Marc:That's what I was going to tell them.
Guest:I'm surprised that they opened it as big as they did.
Guest:I feel like Art House release would have been a little more... We can't expect everybody to...
Guest:be like did you see that allegory movie you know but um but it is it's it's i think that it's the closest thing to perfect that i've ever seen and and what we thought we were making it was even more beautiful i mean the the camera has its own language yeah i don't know i'm really proud of it i love it yeah there's nothing like it that's for sure razzy nominated jennifer lawrence says i got nominated for a razzy a razzy what is a razzy
Guest:It's a worst performance of the year award.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm a nominee.
Guest:It's okay.
Guest:Jack Nicholson actually got nominated for a Razzie for The Shining.
Marc:Oh.
Guest:So you're in good company?
Marc:I feel okay, yeah.
Marc:When somebody asked me after I watched it the first time, because I didn't see it in the conversation with Darren was limited, because I didn't watch the end.
Marc:By the time I talked to him, I'd only gotten up to before it got crazy.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And he's like, well, you got to watch the end because that's where everything happens.
Guest:And then did you?
Guest:I can't remember what you said.
Marc:I did.
Marc:I watched it and I thought about it.
Marc:And he didn't explain the allegory to me.
Guest:Yeah, he and I did different stuff with that.
Marc:Oh, really?
Guest:Yeah, because I was like, you know, if we don't tell people what it is, then they're not going to see the beauty behind it.
Guest:They're not going to know what they're looking at.
Guest:But he's an artist.
Guest:I was like, I made it.
Guest:Like, you either get it or you don't get it, which, you know, he's correct.
Guest:And where were you coming from on this?
Guest:I was coming in on, you know, I'm gonna talk about it, okay?
Guest:And he was like, just like my agent, so you're gonna do whatever the fuck you want anyway, so.
Marc:Well, I mean, my takeaway initially was that it's very difficult to be in a relationship with a creative person.
Guest:No, no, we really, we did not have a difficult.
Marc:I'm talking about in the movie.
Marc:Oh, in the movie, oh, okay.
Marc:My takeaway was don't marry an artist.
Guest:Oh, totally, amen.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But then it turns out it's like, don't marry God.
Guest:But Darren wasn't anything like that.
Guest:No, no, no.
Marc:I wasn't projecting anything like that.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:All right.
Marc:I'm just saying.
Marc:I didn't think that had anything to do with it.
Guest:He's a very clear communicator.
Guest:He's just like a very good, genuine man.
Marc:No, I think that's true.
Marc:That was my takeaway with him.
Marc:But he was trying to get it all in.
Marc:It's like a very complicated Bob Dylan song.
Marc:He wanted to make a Bible.
Marc:He wanted to have everything in there.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:so like what happens now you're gonna do the Sparrow movies you're gonna come out you're gonna run around you're gonna act charming on television and do those shows that's the well thought out plan yeah try to get people to I mean I'm not worried about Red Sparrow we're not even doing that that crazy of a press tour because the proof is actually it's a great movie so I'm not worried about it
Guest:And then when that comes out, I don't know.
Guest:I mean, I don't really have anything lined up.
Guest:I'm pretty busy.
Guest:I'm, I, you know, my head spun off last year when Trump got elected.
Guest:So I kind of threw myself into corruption and politics, super PACs, lobbyists, blah, blah, blah.
Guest:So I'll keep myself busy with that.
Guest:How are you helping?
Guest:Nothing.
Guest:I'm just.
Marc:You thinking about it?
Marc:Thinking about me just spinning around every day wearing
Marc:We're in trouble, we're in trouble.
Marc:The sky is falling.
Guest:I think I actually might do a tour with Trevor Parker, who's just brilliant.
Guest:He's a lawyer, he's a Republican.
Guest:He was the chairman of the Federal Election Committee, so he's passionate about getting Trevor Potter, sorry, Trevor Potter.
Guest:about getting money out of politics as well.
Guest:So just kind of touring people, touring around, just talking to people about corruption because if we get to a place where we can have a state-by-state vote, then hopefully we can pass anti-corruption legislation, you know, like marijuana and gay marriage, how they pass and not have to go through Congress.
Marc:Right.
Marc:That's the plan.
Guest:That's the plan.
Marc:Do you ever want to do like stage work?
Guest:never never why because i'm not like um cocky enough to think that i'm like an actor like i'm just a i'm a film actor i don't think i would be good in a play but what if they give you a play that was like perfect for you
Guest:And I'd be like, let's make this into a movie or a miniseries.
Marc:So what are you going to do now, today, when it happens?
Guest:I was thinking we could just hang.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Get something to eat?
Guest:Are you hungry?
Guest:Yeah, I am actually hungry.
Marc:There's cute places around here.
Guest:Yeah, cool.
Guest:Let's get lunch.
Guest:And then I got a fitting, and that's my day.
Guest:You know, Amy's actually staying in my neighborhood.
Guest:You should come over.
Marc:To over there?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:What's she doing staying in your neighborhood?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:She's renting a house for something.
Guest:I told you I don't ask questions.
Marc:But she has another house?
Guest:She's working.
Guest:Well, she lives in New York.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:So she's renting a place in Miami.
Marc:Oh, that's nice.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So you guys hanging out?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:All right.
Marc:So this was good, right?
Guest:Has it been an hour?
Guest:It's gone by so quickly.
Marc:It's been more than an hour.
Guest:Should we do more in case I want editing power?
Marc:Sure.
Marc:How about let's, let's get into some of the, the, uh, difficult questions.
Marc:So like, what do you, what's, who are you mad at?
Marc:Um, what's going on?
Marc:Did, are you dating anybody?
Guest:I'm not.
Guest:No.
Guest:Are you?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Cool.
Marc:She's a painter.
Guest:Oh my God.
Guest:Really?
Marc:Dean paintings.
Guest:Have I seen the paintings?
Marc:You should see them.
Guest:I would love to.
Guest:Show them to me.
Marc:She's got a big show coming up in London, though.
Marc:Cool.
Marc:I don't know if you're going to make that one.
Guest:No, I won't make that.
Guest:Well, actually, I am going to London.
Marc:When?
Guest:In like a couple weeks, I think.
Marc:For press?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Will the show be going on?
Marc:No, it starts April 17th.
Marc:I'm going to be doing a show in London the 16th.
Guest:you like abstract uh art i was just about to ask if it was abstract because i do like abstract art yeah i don't know anything about art uh but i like it when i when i could just look at it be like yeah but is it art yeah how's your mom my mom's great she's cool still got the camp um no my brother runs the camp now yeah yeah the middle brother the other one's in tech the other one's in tech
Marc:And they're happy about your success?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah?
Guest:Yeah, they're happy for me.
Marc:Do you have a house in Kentucky?
Guest:They don't want to be actors, which is good for me.
Guest:I don't have a house in Kentucky.
Guest:I have a place in New York and L.A.
Guest:Yeah?
Guest:Yeah, and maybe this, I'll have a house in Highland Park.
Marc:Yeah, just like, do you have your checkbook?
Guest:I have a black hammock.
Guest:Does that count?
Marc:Yeah, I can run it.
Marc:I have a square somewhere.
Marc:I can do it on my phone.
Marc:It'd be a bargain.
Marc:Have you done, do you want, some actors you need to work with where you're like, I gotta get that done.
Marc:Before I get older, they die.
Marc:Oh.
Marc:Anybody?
Marc:Is there anybody you want to work with that you haven't been able to?
Guest:Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, Gary Oldman.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I think Daniel Day-Lewis is retiring, so that ship sailed, I guess.
Guest:Do you really think he's going to?
Marc:I don't understand that.
Marc:He's not old or anything.
Marc:Is he just exhausted from all the work he puts into a role?
Guest:I have no idea.
Guest:Did you watch Phantom Fred?
Guest:I got through about three minutes of it.
Guest:I put in a good solid three.
Guest:Oh my God.
Guest:It takes a little longer.
Guest:I'm sorry to anybody who loved that movie.
Guest:It takes a little longer.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, I couldn't give that kind of time.
Guest:It was three minutes and I was just like, oof.
Marc:That's what I did with Mother and look what happened.
Marc:I locked in.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:I'll try it.
Guest:I mean, is it just about clothes?
Yeah.
Marc:No, it's about two people.
Marc:Right.
Guest:But is he kind of like a narcissistic sociopath?
Guest:He's like an artist, so every girl falls in love with him because he makes her feel bad about herself, and that's the love story?
Guest:This is purely just my... I haven't seen it, so I don't know.
Marc:He gets this.
Guest:He is a little narcissistic.
Marc:And a little OCD.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:I've been down that road.
Guest:I know what that's like.
Guest:I don't need to watch that movie.
Guest:no not with darren oh my god i didn't mean that did not i did not even i have dated people that nobody knows about so that is something to keep in mind okay let's uh let's no nobody would know who they are oh really yeah like before show business or no i can date unfamous people while still being famous and they don't talk about it i guess not i like nice people wow yeah you don't know maybe i'm making this whole thing up
Marc:All right, so now we've gotten into the land of fiction.
Marc:Maybe Darren texted me.
Marc:Nope.
Guest:Let me see.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:Every time I look at my phone and he hasn't texted, I get your anxiety.
Guest:Is this live?
Marc:Yes, it's going out to millions of people.
Marc:It doesn't go out to... It's not live.
Guest:As I was saying, that's why he's not responding.
Guest:He's probably listening to it right now and be like... No, it's not.
Guest:It doesn't go out live.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:What did you eat for breakfast?
Guest:I had two sausages, something that was purple, like maybe purple potatoes and two eggs over easy.
Marc:Sweet purple potato?
Guest:Yeah, maybe.
Guest:Those are good.
Guest:I literally never had that food before.
Marc:Where'd you eat it?
Guest:I have a chef that drops food off and I heat it up.
Marc:A lot of people do that.
Marc:Is that good?
Guest:Yeah, it cuts down.
Guest:I don't have to cook.
Marc:You don't like to cook?
Guest:I know how to cook.
Guest:I don't like to unless I'm trying to impress a guy or something.
Guest:And then as soon as I'm seeing somebody, I'm like, oh my God, I made roasted chicken and potatoes.
Marc:And then when I'm single, I'm just like... Bring it over.
Marc:Make me something.
Guest:Bring it over.
Marc:All right, well, I don't want the security guy to get nervous.
Marc:So thank you for coming.
Guest:Thank you for having me.
Marc:I think this went well.
Guest:I think so.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:When will this air?
Marc:I don't know if we're ever going to air it.
Guest:Wait, what?
Guest:What do you mean?
Guest:It's going to air forever?
Marc:I'm kidding.
Marc:I don't know.
Guest:There really should be like a timeline on interview.
Guest:Don't you think?
Guest:Of course we're going to air it.
Guest:When's the movie coming out?
Guest:March 2nd.
Guest:That's probably where we're going to do it.
Guest:Do you have an embargo or is that just like your choice?
No.
Marc:I mean, you wanted to do this.
Guest:I asked to do this podcast.
Guest:I've literally never asked to do anything.
Marc:But was it suggested to you?
Guest:No.
Guest:I texted my publicist.
Guest:I can probably find the text, bitch.
Guest:I texted my publicist and was like, can I do Marc Maron's podcast?
Guest:And she said, chill.
Marc:No problem.
Marc:What'd she say?
Guest:This is going to be months ago.
Guest:Don't worry about it.
Guest:This is a fake gesture.
Marc:It's fine.
Marc:I just want to make sure that this was a good experience for you.
Marc:Did I show up for you?
Guest:I think so, yeah.
Marc:I don't know why I'm insecure about it.
Marc:Yeah, I feel like- Now I'm just going to spiral in anxiety.
Guest:Oh, God.
Marc:Right in front of you.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:That's going to make me spiral.
Guest:I feel like everything was fine.
Guest:It was great.
Guest:We talked about my upbringing.
Guest:I'm from Louisville, Kentucky.
Guest:I went to New York when I was 14.
Guest:L.A., Hunger Games, Oscars.
Guest:We got it.
Guest:David O. Russell.
Marc:But was there anything new about it?
Marc:Is it just stuff you just churned through before?
Marc:Do we do anything that was like unique to us that we can hold on to?
Guest:I mean, other than like our psychosis.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Not really.
Guest:But I mean, what?
Guest:You want me to ask you something?
Yeah.
Guest:How old were you when you lost your virginity?
Marc:17.
Marc:You?
Guest:I was younger than you.
Marc:I was a bit of a mess.
Marc:It was not a great experience.
Guest:It wasn't?
Guest:Nobody's first time was a good experience.
Marc:How old were you?
Guest:I'm not going to tell you that.
Guest:What do you mean?
Guest:Quid pro quo.
Marc:I just lured you into a false sense of security and I apologize for that.
Marc:No, I've said it before.
Marc:I'm not feeling weird.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:Yeah, I don't want to.
Marc:Like 15?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Oof.
Yeah?
Marc:Oh, boy.
Guest:So you play the guitar?
Marc:I do.
Guest:How long have you played the guitar?
Guest:Do you think you're good?
Marc:I do.
Guest:Are you good?
Marc:I'm good.
Guest:Oh, you know what?
Guest:You talked about this in your standup.
Guest:You've chosen not to ruin your life, like ruin the guitar for yourself.
Marc:You just recently watched this, my special.
Guest:I did recently watch your special, but I've been watching it for years.
Marc:No, I believe you.
Marc:I'm not questioning this.
Marc:I think we're good.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:And I appreciate you coming over.
Guest:Thank you for having me.
Marc:All right.
Marc:That's me and Jennifer Lawrence.
Marc:I think I'm going to.
Marc:That was fun, right?
Marc:It was good.
Marc:I enjoyed it.
Marc:I think I'm going to forego the guitar playing because I'm feeling tired and under the weather.
Marc:To get tickets to any of my shows at the Ice House in March or my European tour dates in April, go to the tour page at WTFPod.com and get some tickets.
Marc:All right?
Marc:All right, I got to rest.
Marc:Boomer lives!
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