Episode 887 - Riki Lindhome / Laurie Kilmartin

Episode 887 • Released February 4, 2018 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Guest:Lock the gates!

00:00:09Marc:Alright, let's do this.

00:00:10Marc:How are you, what the fuckers?

00:00:12Marc:What the fuck, buddies?

00:00:13Marc:What the fuck-a-nots?

00:00:14Marc:What's happening?

00:00:14Marc:I'm Mark Maron.

00:00:15Marc:This is my podcast, WTF.

00:00:18Marc:Welcome to it.

00:00:19Marc:How's it going?

00:00:21Marc:I am recording this on Super Bowl Sunday, probably during the game.

00:00:25Marc:I don't know.

00:00:25Marc:I don't watch it.

00:00:26Marc:And I'm not saying that with any condescension.

00:00:30Marc:I just don't pay attention to it.

00:00:33Marc:I understand that many think it's a national holiday.

00:00:35Marc:It's probably in the...

00:00:37Marc:In the times we're living in now, one of the more important ones.

00:00:40Marc:This is the day that I think in the new cultural political environment is probably really what determines someone's someone's Americanism.

00:00:53Marc:On some level, this is it, man.

00:00:56Marc:So in it through that lens, I am horrendously un-American in my my complete apathetic disposition towards sports in general, organized sports or watching sports.

00:01:11Marc:But again, and I've said it before, I think that if I'd been trained differently, like anybody, it would have been a different story.

00:01:19Marc:I'm an athletic enough person.

00:01:21Marc:I just not a big fan of I guess I never was on a great team until until glow until I started working with fictitious female wrestlers.

00:01:33Marc:No, I just was not.

00:01:35Marc:You know, I was basically on the equivalent of the Bad News Bears when I was in peewee baseball and in high school.

00:01:41Marc:I never played any sports.

00:01:42Marc:I never thought to.

00:01:44Marc:Maybe I should have.

00:01:46Marc:I've talked about that, though.

00:01:47Marc:I do have a regret that I was not really taught how to engage in healthy competition.

00:01:53Marc:But it seems like given the political climate, there are many Americans that were not taught about healthy competition, just about winning at any cost, no matter what the rules, and no matter who gets hurt or dies or loses their life or job or...

00:02:12Marc:Status in the country.

00:02:14Marc:You know, it's about winning, man.

00:02:16Marc:Right.

00:02:16Marc:It's about winning.

00:02:17Marc:That's not healthy competition.

00:02:19Marc:So today on the show, I talked to two women.

00:02:24Marc:Actually, I'm going to talk to Laurie Kilmartin, who's been on the show a couple of times.

00:02:28Marc:We'll talk with her about her new book, Dead People Suck, A Guide for Survivors of the Newly Departed.

00:02:35Marc:That comes out in February soon, next week.

00:02:39Marc:And also, Ricky Lindholm from Garfunkel and Oates, but more recently from her show, Another Period on Comedy Central.

00:02:48Marc:Going to talk to her.

00:02:50Marc:I'm planning on becoming a more social person in my new house.

00:02:54Marc:I think I'm going to entertain more, but I'm so not the entertaining kind that I used to back in the day, well, not too long ago, I would have dinner parties, but there was never any consistency to it.

00:03:06Marc:So at my age, with my position in the world, in terms of what people think of me and all the people I know, I think that if I said, you want to come over for dinner, they'd be like, what's happening?

00:03:20Marc:Why is he having us over for dinner?

00:03:23Marc:I know how to be sociable.

00:03:24Marc:I know how to have people over.

00:03:25Marc:And I'm a very good host, but I would just think people would find it startling.

00:03:30Marc:I would imagine they'd be like, what do we talk about with Mark?

00:03:33Marc:What are we going to do over there?

00:03:35Marc:What's he going to do?

00:03:36Marc:I don't understand.

00:03:38Marc:Maybe this is all a reflection of me.

00:03:41Marc:Maybe people would be like, that'd be great.

00:03:43Marc:Let's have dinner.

00:03:44Marc:Maybe I'm just a normal person to people looking from the outside in or they get me.

00:03:49Marc:Whereas I am like some monster.

00:03:54Marc:I feel like I'm some like social pariah.

00:03:58Marc:With with intensity problems, emotionally unpredictable.

00:04:04Marc:You know what I'm saying?

00:04:05Marc:So look, Laurie Kilmartin has been on this show before.

00:04:08Marc:I love her.

00:04:09Marc:She's a writer over at Conan.

00:04:11Marc:I've known her as a comic forever.

00:04:12Marc:She's a hilarious comic.

00:04:14Marc:I had her on fairly recently about her comedy special about her dead dad.

00:04:19Marc:And this is a book, I guess, sort of built from that.

00:04:22Marc:From that idea, her new book is Dead People Suck, a guide for survivors of the newly departed.

00:04:28Marc:It's out February 13th.

00:04:29Marc:You can pre-order it now.

00:04:32Marc:So this is me talking to Laurie Kilmartin.

00:04:41Marc:I am sorry that I was home at the other house, at my other home when you showed up.

00:04:46Guest:I feel terrible that you were startled on a Sunday morning.

00:04:49Marc:You feel terrible?

00:04:50Marc:Why didn't I know?

00:04:51Marc:I've done worse things.

00:04:53Marc:There was one time I was just sitting in this house and not planning on doing anything, getting ready to go.

00:04:59Marc:And Lisa Lampanelli just walked up to my door.

00:05:02Marc:That's a tough wake up call.

00:05:05Marc:Yeah, I should have known that.

00:05:07Guest:Lisa Lampanelli on a Sunday morning.

00:05:09Marc:Thank God I knew her well enough to where I didn't panic or tell her, God forbid, that I had forgotten that you were coming.

00:05:17Marc:That's right.

00:05:18Marc:I did not let on.

00:05:19Guest:That's good.

00:05:20Marc:So what's the book called?

00:05:23Guest:It's called Dead People Suck.

00:05:25Marc:Wow.

00:05:25Marc:Is it out?

00:05:27Guest:It's out February 13th.

00:05:28Marc:Because the last time I saw you, you did the special.

00:05:30Guest:Yeah.

00:05:31Marc:Which was, it was jokes about you.

00:05:33Guest:45 jokes about my dead dad.

00:05:34Marc:Now, what made you, what compelled you to, because this is a real book about grieving, really.

00:05:39Marc:It's about moving through the grieving process.

00:05:42Marc:You were not a psychologist, but you must have gotten so much feedback for your comedy show that you're like, why not help out?

00:05:52Marc:What was the incentive for that?

00:05:54Guest:Well, I hadn't sold, I did a special and I just was sitting on it and no one was interested.

00:05:59Guest:So I was like, all right, well, maybe I can put this into a book.

00:06:02Guest:And I had written a parenting book a while ago called Shitty Mom and it's just like really short kind of.

00:06:08Marc:How'd that do?

00:06:09Guest:It was a New York Times bestseller for a week.

00:06:12Marc:That's good.

00:06:13Marc:That's great.

00:06:13Guest:And you only need it.

00:06:14Guest:Even if it's just a week, you can put it on the cover.

00:06:16Guest:Yeah.

00:06:17Guest:But so I pitched this like shitty mom of grief to the editor who edited shitty mom.

00:06:25Guest:She bought it.

00:06:26Guest:So in that time, then CISO bought my special.

00:06:29Guest:But it's pretty much it's very different.

00:06:31Guest:I stole a few jokes from myself just to plant, you know, early laughs.

00:06:36Guest:And then.

00:06:37Guest:It's, yeah, just essays, like, you know, 500 words or less, basically, that you can read on the toilet about cancer and death and funerals and grief.

00:06:46Marc:That you wrote.

00:06:47Marc:They're your essays.

00:06:48Marc:But did you, like, but it does, it's supposed to, like, what was the feedback on the 45 jokes about, you know, your dead dad?

00:06:55Marc:I mean, I have to assume that people, you've got a very specific type of reaction.

00:07:01Guest:Yeah, I think the people that talked to me told me they loved it.

00:07:05Marc:Like, did you get emails, though, and that kind of stuff?

00:07:06Marc:Yes, yes.

00:07:07Marc:Twitter stuff, like, oh, my God, thank you.

00:07:09Guest:Yeah, I mean, you know, it was sort of hidden on CISO.

00:07:12Guest:You had to get CISO to watch it.

00:07:14Marc:It's gone now, right, CISO?

00:07:16Guest:Yeah, CISO's gone, and my special's sort of hidden someplace.

00:07:19Guest:Hopefully, we'll be able to get it out.

00:07:21Marc:I know.

00:07:21Marc:I just talked to Karen Esposito about her.

00:07:25Guest:Take My Wife?

00:07:26Marc:Yeah.

00:07:26Marc:Like, yeah, I mean, does CISO own your special?

00:07:30Yeah.

00:07:30Guest:They bought it for three years and they lasted a year.

00:07:34Guest:So I don't exactly know.

00:07:37Guest:It's sort of tangled up right now.

00:07:38Marc:So that's disconcerting.

00:07:40Guest:It's distressing.

00:07:41Guest:Yes.

00:07:42Marc:Because you can't access your special.

00:07:44Guest:I know.

00:07:45Guest:I know.

00:07:45Guest:I have it saved on a Vimeo, a secret Vimeo location, but I can't really do anything with it.

00:07:49Marc:What would happen if you did that?

00:07:52Marc:Would CISO come after you?

00:07:54Marc:What's left of them?

00:07:55Guest:Who would come after me?

00:07:56Guest:I don't know.

00:07:56Guest:That's a great idea.

00:07:58Guest:Yeah.

00:07:58Marc:I mean, why not just post a link, see what happens?

00:08:01Marc:Yeah, I could.

00:08:01Marc:What happened with CISO?

00:08:04Marc:Did they alert you?

00:08:05Marc:Did you get a letter saying, like, it's over?

00:08:07Guest:No, I read about it on Twitter.

00:08:09Guest:That's how I find out all the bad news about my life, or if anything's canceled, I find out on Twitter.

00:08:14Guest:I'm like, oh, okay.

00:08:15Marc:That's so horrible.

00:08:16Guest:Yeah.

00:08:17Marc:Because it's like it's something like I know what it's like to have like like Marin.

00:08:21Marc:The fourth season of Marin is not on international Netflix.

00:08:24Marc:There's nothing I can do about it.

00:08:26Guest:Why?

00:08:26Marc:I don't know.

00:08:27Marc:They're all on the they're all on the American Netflix, all four seasons of Marin.

00:08:30Marc:But for some reason, they didn't post the last season.

00:08:33Marc:And it's not my show.

00:08:34Marc:Like, it's not even IFC show.

00:08:36Marc:It's Fox TV.

00:08:37Marc:21 or fox studios which doesn't exist anymore so i don't even know how to react when people are like when can we see it i'm like i don't know move yeah call somebody take a vacation i don't know who to get in touch with and then i asked my manager what are we doing about this they're like yeah i don't know

00:08:52Guest:Well, it doesn't make sense in a money situation because people will want to see it worldwide.

00:08:58Guest:You have fans all over the world.

00:08:59Marc:Well, right.

00:08:59Marc:But yeah, I don't know how many and I, you know, what am I going to do?

00:09:02Marc:Get Ted, the head of Netflix involved.

00:09:04Marc:Like, what can we do about this, man?

00:09:06Marc:I know you've got, you're busy giving, you know, other comics $50 million for an hour.

00:09:10Guest:Oh my God.

00:09:11Guest:But not Monique.

00:09:13Yeah.

00:09:13Marc:Who deserves it?

00:09:14Marc:We all know that Monique.

00:09:15Guest:She's an Oscar winner.

00:09:17Marc:Yeah.

00:09:17Marc:She's funny.

00:09:18Marc:Yes, she is.

00:09:19Marc:It's so weird when you get into it.

00:09:21Marc:We can talk about politics with confidence, but when you get into these nuanced sort of like, well, that one's loaded up with race and gender issues.

00:09:29Marc:So, hey, I wish her luck.

00:09:31Guest:Good luck to everybody.

00:09:33Guest:We need to tiptoe out of the room and hope you guys sort it out.

00:09:35Marc:Yeah.

00:09:36Marc:Maybe it'll be okay.

00:09:37Marc:Don't know.

00:09:38Marc:I don't know.

00:09:38Marc:I don't know if there's anything I can do to help, but I'll just keep my mouth shut and move on.

00:09:43Marc:But when people were talking to you about this, did you find yourself in this position where they were like, can you help me?

00:09:49Marc:Did you get any of that kind of thing or just you helped me?

00:09:51Guest:I think it was more you help.

00:09:52Guest:I didn't think people came to me for further assistance.

00:09:55Marc:No, they didn't.

00:09:56Marc:Which was wise.

00:09:57Guest:Yeah, it was just people who had lost a parent or lost a loved one the same way kind of felt like that helped them through the grieving process.

00:10:05Marc:So that was cool.

00:10:06Marc:For the book, did you do any research?

00:10:07Marc:Did you read Cooper Ross?

00:10:09Marc:Did you go through the five stages?

00:10:10Marc:Did you do some homework or anything?

00:10:12Guest:No, I just researched my own feelings and I actually took a ton of notes when my dad was dying.

00:10:17Marc:Really?

00:10:18Guest:Yeah.

00:10:19Guest:And so I kind of was like, oh yeah, that thing, that thing, that thing.

00:10:22Guest:So I just kept going back to those, you know, two weeks.

00:10:25Marc:Like real notes?

00:10:26Marc:Like diary type of notes?

00:10:27Marc:Yeah.

00:10:28Marc:Like feelings journal?

00:10:29Guest:kind of no no no just like things that were happening that i thought i would forget you know when it's happening you're like i'll never forget this it's imprinted on my dna and then you know three years later you're really like oh yeah that night that he wanted something that was orange yeah and that was all he could tell me and so i started just searching through the house and bringing him things that were orange like books and uh you know pill bottles and stuff and he would just shake his head and i finally figured out it was this tumbler this orange tumbler that

00:10:56Guest:was not not of any significance to him as far as i knew right but he wanted to drink water out of that tumbler and this is like his brain is going at that point yeah yeah yeah they go they go to weird places and he became really he became obsessed with this uh a wagon wheel chandelier that none of us had ever heard of that he wanted us to find and apparently it was in the attic and the previous owner of the house had left it and

00:11:21Guest:We never heard him talk about it for 40 years.

00:11:23Guest:And then all of a sudden it was like one of the things he was obsessed about in the last days of his life.

00:11:27Guest:And he's like, what is this thing?

00:11:29Guest:Why do you care about it?

00:11:30Marc:And he found it?

00:11:30Guest:No, never found it.

00:11:33Marc:But he said it was upstairs.

00:11:35Guest:Yeah, he did.

00:11:36Guest:Now, maybe he meant a different upstairs, but he was very specific about it being in the attic and it.

00:11:41Guest:there was a separate attic over the garage.

00:11:43Guest:And by the time the house was emptied out and my mom had moved out, I just didn't feel like going into the garage attic.

00:11:49Guest:And I thought, I'll just leave it there for the next dying owner to obsess about.

00:11:53Marc:To find the magic wagon wheel?

00:11:54Marc:Yes.

00:11:55Marc:I hope it wasn't what was going to cure him.

00:11:57Ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:11:59Guest:Oh, my God.

00:12:00Guest:The tumor breaker.

00:12:02Marc:Yeah.

00:12:02Marc:The tumor breaker wagon wheel.

00:12:04Marc:Maybe he knew that's all it would take.

00:12:05Guest:Oh, my God.

00:12:06Marc:No.

00:12:07Marc:He couldn't tell me.

00:12:07Guest:And just this, he had this little, my sister, you know, when you go to Walgreens or something, they have like little flowers for sale.

00:12:15Guest:They look like cactuses that are going to die.

00:12:18Guest:Those are just like tiny little baby flowers.

00:12:21Guest:Yeah.

00:12:21Guest:And she bought him one and I guess smell is the last sense to go.

00:12:26Guest:So he just kept bringing it to his nose and inhaling it and putting it down.

00:12:34Guest:It was just the last things he could do were sort of fun to chat.

00:12:39Guest:What kind of cancer did he have again?

00:12:40Guest:He had lung cancer.

00:12:41Marc:And it just went all over and your brain goes from all the drugs and the cancer.

00:12:44Guest:Yes, yes, yes.

00:12:45Guest:And he had radiation and stuff.

00:12:46Guest:So to prevent it from going to the brain, which is, I think, kind of hurt his ability to think.

00:12:52Guest:But it also kept it from going to the brain, which is great.

00:12:55Guest:Because I think when it goes to the brain, sometimes people get...

00:12:59Guest:you know their emotions change a lot yeah i think that's tougher than just a regular oh they become emotionally different people yeah and he didn't become different he just became well he was also high on morphine of course that could explain everything but yeah you know yeah the loopiness yeah yeah and the just obsessions with things we hadn't heard of yeah yeah

00:13:20Marc:But they sort of return to childlike behavior.

00:13:24Guest:Yeah, totally.

00:13:25Guest:And you're taking care of your parents and you're diapering them and you're doing all the things they did for you.

00:13:30Guest:It's a special time if you can get it.

00:13:35Guest:If you're lucky enough to be around them when they're dying.

00:13:39Marc:Yeah, I got to be honest with you.

00:13:40Marc:I don't want it.

00:13:42Marc:I just hope, God forbid, it happens, which I imagine it will, and I'll be alive for it, that it's quick, and I just have to show up to say a few words.

00:13:53Guest:You mean you've got six hours to get there, and you get there at 545?

00:13:56Marc:Or just like, he's gone.

00:13:58Marc:Oh, what happened?

00:14:00Guest:Oh, you don't want even a last conversation?

00:14:02Marc:Nah.

00:14:03Marc:I'm good.

00:14:05Guest:That's how I feel about my mom.

00:14:06Guest:I feel like I've learned nothing from my dad's death.

00:14:10Guest:I would just like to do my dad's death over a little bit, but my mom, I'm like, oh, hurry up.

00:14:15Guest:You've been around plenty.

00:14:16Guest:I get you.

00:14:17Guest:You're not changing.

00:14:18Guest:Whatever you are, you're just becoming more of.

00:14:21Marc:Yeah.

00:14:21Guest:I'm done.

00:14:22Marc:Oh, that's the worst.

00:14:23Guest:It is the worst because I think I will feel guilty when she actually does die.

00:14:27Guest:But I can't seem to pretend I can't seem to learn that lesson in advance.

00:14:31Guest:Yeah.

00:14:31Guest:Be kinder to her or just forgive her for voting for Trump or, you know, all the things that drive me nuts.

00:14:37Guest:I can't seem to do right now.

00:14:39Guest:No, I'll do it.

00:14:41Guest:I know I'll do it at her grave and I'll be crying.

00:14:43Marc:But I wonder, like my parents, they're not they didn't get worse.

00:14:47Marc:They both got better.

00:14:48Marc:Oh, somehow.

00:14:50Marc:Like they both, well, they both, they both, they softened up.

00:14:53Marc:They became a little less selfish.

00:14:54Marc:You know, my mother's a little more, um, uh, kind of, uh, uh, complimentary and, uh, you know, you know, uh, sort of supportive in a way that she wasn't, she goes out of her way to say things like, I'm proud of you.

00:15:09Marc:I love you.

00:15:10Marc:Like nothing.

00:15:10Marc:I didn't get a lot of that.

00:15:12Marc:Interesting.

00:15:12Marc:And my dad just sort of gone soft somehow.

00:15:15Yeah.

00:15:15Marc:You know, he was always sort of up and down, but now he's just, you know, they leveled off.

00:15:20Marc:And, you know, whatever was threatening and horrible and kind of annoying about them is a little tempered.

00:15:27Guest:Do you feel kind of angry at your mom for not giving you that when you really needed it?

00:15:31Marc:I guess, you know, but, like, I don't know if I feel angry at her.

00:15:35Marc:I just, you know, I just, it's hard.

00:15:37Marc:How it really manifests itself is, like, she wants to come out.

00:15:41Marc:Like, so I'm going to fly her out.

00:15:42Guest:Yeah.

00:15:42Marc:She wants to come out.

00:15:43Marc:And I really don't understand why.

00:15:45Marc:Like, she wants to see me, you know, whatever.

00:15:48Marc:But I'm like, why four days?

00:15:50Marc:I mean, can't we just in and out this thing?

00:15:53Guest:Like, can't we?

00:15:53Guest:That is an in and out.

00:15:54Guest:What are you talking about?

00:15:56Guest:My mother lives with me.

00:15:57Guest:Four days.

00:15:58Guest:Oh, my God.

00:15:59Marc:I would dance for a month if that was my... I don't want to hurt her feelings, but it's like after a day or two, I'm like, we kind of did everything.

00:16:05Marc:We caught up.

00:16:07Marc:I took you over to the Bloomingdale's, whatever.

00:16:09Guest:She probably wants to go shopping for you.

00:16:11Guest:She's probably going to fill your cupboards with food and do some laundry.

00:16:15Marc:You got the wrong mom.

00:16:17Marc:She doesn't do that stuff?

00:16:18Marc:I didn't get that one.

00:16:19Marc:God forbid she tries to cook anything.

00:16:21Marc:Ha, ha, ha.

00:16:22Guest:She's not going to fold your underpants and put them in the wrong drawer?

00:16:25Marc:No, no, no, no, no, I don't.

00:16:28Marc:She might buy me a shirt that I never wear, but it'll be fine.

00:16:32Marc:I guess I should appreciate it more.

00:16:35Marc:Yeah.

00:16:36Marc:And I'll go out and see my dad, but I swear to God, like in New Mexico, but like really a day is, you know, I'm good.

00:16:41Marc:Yeah.

00:16:42Marc:Like, you know, a full day, you know, by the end of that day, I'm like, all right.

00:16:46Marc:Okay.

00:16:46Marc:I guess we're all caught up.

00:16:48Marc:Yeah.

00:16:49Guest:It sucks because when they actually are gone, you're going to want that day back.

00:16:54Marc:Really?

00:16:54Marc:I hope so.

00:16:55Guest:But you don't want it when you have it.

00:16:57Guest:It really, it's awful.

00:16:58Marc:Maybe I'm, maybe I'm a terrible person.

00:17:00Marc:I don't know.

00:17:01Marc:I can't, you know, and I know it's something's coming.

00:17:03Guest:How old are your parents?

00:17:07Guest:Listeners note, he's counting on his fingers right now.

00:17:14Guest:I don't know.

00:17:14Guest:How do you do math again?

00:17:17Guest:I'll ask my son.

00:17:18Guest:He has common core word problems every day.

00:17:20Marc:How often do you have your son?

00:17:22Marc:All the time?

00:17:22Guest:Yeah, during the week.

00:17:24Guest:I don't have him today.

00:17:26Marc:So your mom lives with you guys?

00:17:28Guest:Yeah.

00:17:29Marc:How long has that been going on?

00:17:30Guest:A year and a half.

00:17:33Guest:I've been in a bad mood for 18 months.

00:17:37Marc:My mom's 77.

00:17:39Guest:Okay.

00:17:39Marc:Is that possible?

00:17:41Guest:Yeah.

00:17:41Guest:Is she in good health?

00:17:42Marc:Yeah.

00:17:43Guest:Okay.

00:17:43Guest:Well, she might have another decade with her, so I guess there's no rush to be loving.

00:17:47Marc:My dad's going to be 80 this year?

00:17:50Guest:Yeah.

00:17:50Guest:Wow.

00:17:50Guest:80 is when I remember my dad getting really elderly.

00:17:54Marc:Yeah?

00:17:55Marc:Maybe that's what's happening.

00:17:57Marc:I don't know why I assume, of course they're running out of steam a little bit.

00:18:01Guest:It's hard to imagine these people that were so big and domineering in your life start to become brittle and frail.

00:18:06Marc:Yeah.

00:18:07Guest:And then they just disappear.

00:18:08Guest:But they actually do.

00:18:10Marc:And now I'm getting sad.

00:18:11Marc:Now I'm thinking about it.

00:18:13Marc:Yeah.

00:18:14Guest:I guess I guess, you know, it's impossible to appreciate them when they're here the way you will when they're gone.

00:18:19Guest:And there's no way to change it, I think.

00:18:21Marc:No.

00:18:21Marc:You know?

00:18:22Marc:I don't know.

00:18:22Marc:Some people, I guess.

00:18:23Marc:Do you know people that are like that?

00:18:24Marc:I don't know.

00:18:25Marc:That are like, I just love my parents, and I cherish every moment I'm with them, and everything is great.

00:18:32Guest:I think I have a few Facebook friends like that, and they enrage me.

00:18:36Guest:I'm like, you aren't telling the truth.

00:18:38Guest:There's no way you love doing this for you.

00:18:39Marc:There's something wrong with you.

00:18:40Marc:You're hiding something.

00:18:41Guest:You are.

00:18:41Marc:Stop it.

00:18:42Marc:You repressive weirdo.

00:18:43Guest:You're posting who you wish you were, not who you were.

00:18:46Marc:Do they respond to that?

00:18:46Marc:Do you tell them that?

00:18:47Guest:No, I just think that inside, and I wonder if I'm doing it all wrong.

00:18:51Marc:So like in the close of the book, I mean, do you like, cause do you find, um, how many essays are in the book?

00:18:57Guest:Ooh, maybe like 50.

00:18:58Guest:Again, they're really short.

00:18:59Guest:They're, they're like quick.

00:19:00Guest:They're like almost standup bits basically, you know, are they all funny or no?

00:19:04Guest:Uh, they're not all funny.

00:19:05Guest:Some of it's weird.

00:19:06Guest:I, I,

00:19:07Guest:When I when I wrote a parenting book, it's pretty much all funny.

00:19:11Guest:And I guess I was it's because I have a kid.

00:19:13Guest:I know he's going to read it one day and he's still here.

00:19:16Guest:And then when I was writing about my dad, it was like, God, he's he's a real guy and he's dead.

00:19:21Guest:And I'm actually might be the final word on him.

00:19:24Guest:And it's a lot more daunting to write to write about a person's life when they're not there to counteract it or to say, well, you know, not exactly.

00:19:32Guest:Or to just live a different way.

00:19:34Marc:Right.

00:19:34Guest:Prove you wrong.

00:19:35Guest:so do you are you do is there questionable stuff in there were you like i don't know if he'd like that um the only thing i'm worried about is of the family that i i write about reading it but they're very unsupportive so i don't think they will read it whose family uh there's a certain side of the family that there's a the people that i'm talking about probably won't read it so it's okay okay yeah i i kind of thought that when i wrote about my dad and then uh

00:20:04Marc:Caused a little bit of a wildfire.

00:20:06Guest:Oh, no.

00:20:06Marc:Over there in that side of the family.

00:20:09Guest:Oh.

00:20:09Marc:Yeah.

00:20:10Marc:His side of the family.

00:20:11Marc:You know, that was what was funny.

00:20:12Marc:It's like, I don't... I was honest, but, you know, I could see how he could feel a little hurt or betrayed by my honesty.

00:20:18Guest:Right, right, right.

00:20:19Marc:But apparently there was, like, you know, his uncles, the old guard of the Marin clan.

00:20:24Marc:Sure.

00:20:24Marc:Were sort of, like, disappointed with me, and he was hanging that over me.

00:20:27Marc:Like, you know, I talked to my Uncle Phil.

00:20:29Marc:They were not very happy.

00:20:30Marc:And I'm like...

00:20:33Guest:Well, Phil Maron's got to protect his name.

00:20:36Marc:Well, he's passed.

00:20:38Marc:But it wasn't about Phil.

00:20:39Marc:It was about my dad.

00:20:40Marc:So he was sort of rallying his troops on me.

00:20:42Marc:Like, you know, you're not welcome.

00:20:45Marc:And I'm like, oh, really?

00:20:46Marc:Thank you.

00:20:47Marc:Do me a favor.

00:20:48Marc:And then it all passes.

00:20:50Marc:You know, you apologize and whatever.

00:20:51Marc:Everything's intense in the moment.

00:20:53Guest:Yeah, I guess so.

00:20:54Marc:But that's not the case here.

00:20:56Marc:I don't think so.

00:20:56Marc:He's not going to.

00:20:58Guest:There's a couple of cousins that might be upset, but it's already a rough Thanksgiving given the political fracture in the family.

00:21:07Marc:Oh, really?

00:21:09Guest:Yeah, just between Trump voters.

00:21:11Marc:You've got that?

00:21:12Guest:Yeah.

00:21:12Guest:Oh, yeah, definitely.

00:21:13Guest:Yeah.

00:21:14Marc:And they're still happy about it?

00:21:16Guest:I would imagine so, especially since the tax cuts and stuff.

00:21:19Marc:That's what they were hoping for?

00:21:21Marc:I think so.

00:21:21Marc:Tax cuts for corporations?

00:21:22Guest:Right.

00:21:24Guest:My cousins are corporations.

00:21:26Marc:Oh, that's wild.

00:21:27Marc:Interesting.

00:21:27Guest:Pfizer is a first cousin.

00:21:29Guest:Oh, that's wild.

00:21:30Marc:They're just thrilled that finally those corporations are going to get the break they deserve.

00:21:37Guest:I don't even know that the tax thing benefits them, but the idea that it will when they become incredibly wealthy from the lottery ticket will.

00:21:45Marc:All about those ideas, those angry ideas that make you feel good.

00:21:50Marc:I don't know who my dad voted for.

00:21:53Marc:I know who my mom voted for.

00:21:54Marc:But I've avoided, there's a part of me that I think, I used to go down to my mother's for Thanksgiving, but generally I've been shooting for the last few years.

00:22:03Marc:It's hard for me to get down there.

00:22:04Marc:But there is a contingent in that crew that goes to that dinner that are just like Trump supporters, Jewish Trump supporters.

00:22:11Guest:Oh my God, it never makes sense to me.

00:22:13Marc:And well, the Zionist element or the business element or just, there's plenty of Republican Jews.

00:22:19Guest:I know, but like my son is Hispanic and my grandmother, my mother voted for Trump.

00:22:24Guest:I'm like, how could you, after what he said about Mexicans, how can you set my son up for that kind of taunting or bullying?

00:22:30Marc:I don't know what that disconnect is.

00:22:33Marc:I don't think they add it all up.

00:22:34Marc:No, they don't.

00:22:35Marc:They just go with their feelings.

00:22:37Marc:And maybe policy will sync up with that.

00:22:40Marc:But I don't know where that drop-off is, where you don't see that it's exacerbating intolerance.

00:22:49Marc:And you're just still sort of like, yeah, but it's good for the country.

00:22:53Marc:Is it?

00:22:54Marc:My son's crying.

00:22:56Yeah.

00:22:57Guest:I'm grateful that my dad died before Donald Trump was even a candidate.

00:23:03Guest:Because I can kind of think, well, maybe he's one of the Mitt Romney.

00:23:07Guest:Maybe my dad would have been a never-Trumper.

00:23:09Guest:Because Trump is so vulgar and that's just not.

00:23:12Marc:But you don't know.

00:23:12Marc:I don't know.

00:23:13Marc:He did us all a favor.

00:23:15He did.

00:23:17Marc:you can write a book I'm glad I didn't find that chandelier they would have cured him because he died at the right time you have nice love for him I did it's very pure it's not you know God if he had lived into January might have just no book no movie he did you know he has Dinesh D'Souza books so I'm like oh it's it's possible oh god but I'll never know you were spared I was thanks for talking sure music music

00:23:48Marc:Okay, all right, so you got it.

00:23:51Marc:Dead People Suck, a guide for survivors of the newly departed.

00:23:54Marc:Sounds helpful and funny.

00:23:55Marc:Tough times, grief.

00:23:57Marc:Grief is difficult, and we're all feeling a bit of it.

00:24:00Marc:Are we not?

00:24:02Marc:I think I'm going to read this email only because it's sort of eaten at me because I don't... I think it's... I've talked about it a bit, but I don't know if it's talked about enough.

00:24:12Marc:This is from Stephen...

00:24:15Marc:Subject line BDD.

00:24:17Marc:Mark, how do you deal with your body dysmorphia when those thoughts come and I feel like I've eaten too much regardless of how small my meals are and my brain tells me my body instantly changed for the worse and then the guilt and then I'm preoccupied with the idea that starvation is a valid option the rest of the day.

00:24:31Marc:What the fuck?

00:24:32Marc:How do you deal with it?

00:24:34Marc:Anyway, maybe I'll go find a chat room or a forum or something.

00:24:37Marc:Have a great day, Stephen.

00:24:39Marc:Hey, Stephen, buddy.

00:24:40Marc:Here's the deal with that.

00:24:42Marc:And I don't know how many men really suffer from this shit.

00:24:44Marc:There is a sort of shame to it.

00:24:46Marc:There's a shame on top of the shame because to be a dude with a sort of body dysmorphia or a milder extreme eating disorder, you feel like you really got to keep that stuff in the closet.

00:24:58Marc:But I do suffer from insane body dysmorphia and kind of a weird eating, very shitty relationship with food, as some of you know.

00:25:07Marc:And it ebbs and flows.

00:25:09Marc:And...

00:25:09Marc:And I just read something, a transcript of something I did on stage years ago that's going to be in the risk book.

00:25:17Marc:There's just something about wanting to feel shitty, wanting to be hard on yourself.

00:25:21Marc:If you have a brain that's always going to look for a reason to be hard on yourself, it's going to do it one way or the other.

00:25:27Marc:And around eating, my ex-wife used to say, hey, look, in terms of that problem,

00:25:33Marc:whether it's overeating or compulsive eating or denying yourself food, is that the bottom line is unlike drugs or alcohol or gambling or deading, you got to eat and you got to figure out a way to accept eating.

00:25:45Marc:And you can't beat yourself up too much for eating.

00:25:47Marc:There's a consistency to body shame.

00:25:51Marc:That I think sometimes for me, it happens when I'm anxious or I'm full of dread or I have too much time on my hands or things are going well.

00:25:58Marc:That's a very easy way to get myself back into a pattern of self judgment.

00:26:02Marc:Whereas like, look, if you if you eat something shitty, you know.

00:26:06Marc:exercise don't eat shitty the next day you know try to you know keep a healthy diet i mean i eat pretty healthily but i know the feeling and i'm sort of in it right now and i appreciate your email i don't know if there are forums or you know you can go to meetings of some kind away maybe

00:26:23Marc:I knew a guy when I used to talk about this.

00:26:26Marc:I knew this guy, Mitch.

00:26:28Marc:I said, how do you not go crazy?

00:26:30Marc:Because when I was first getting sober, I would eat.

00:26:32Marc:I've gone through periods of ice cream or sugar.

00:26:34Marc:Fortunately for me, I have slightly high cholesterol.

00:26:37Marc:So that's made it sort of the impending doom element of eating certain things has stifled my behavior a little bit, which has helped out.

00:26:45Marc:But you shouldn't take that.

00:26:47Marc:But this dude, Mitch, he said, I would never have an eating disorder because I eat the exact same thing every day.

00:26:53Marc:I know that doesn't mix it up much, but maybe you should get involved with some sort of monitoring because that's like a whole other thing.

00:27:03Marc:Instead of just winging it and feeling randomly guilty about eating things when who knows how your day is going, get on Weight Watchers or something.

00:27:11Marc:Do something to sort of engage you mathematically where you're just working on the tables, sort of like counting those points or whatever the system is and stretching them out.

00:27:22Marc:That way you'll feel proactive in your food obsession.

00:27:25Marc:Maybe try that.

00:27:27Marc:But I don't know, I feel fucking chubby.

00:27:30Marc:Look, I'll admit that even if I'm not heavy, which I'm usually not, there's too much of me.

00:27:35Marc:There's definitely too much of me.

00:27:38Marc:So I don't feel like I'm wrong there.

00:27:40Marc:And I feel like there's many people that would validate that.

00:27:44Marc:Just too much a mark.

00:27:46Marc:One way or the other, on some level, there's too much.

00:27:50Marc:So, Ricky Lindholm, you might know her from Garfunkel and Oates, the lovely Kate McCoochie and Ricky do a comedy music duo.

00:28:01Marc:And they seem to be working together again.

00:28:03Marc:I guess I never stopped, but I talked to her a little bit about that.

00:28:06Marc:But now she's here talking about the third season of her show, Another Period, which is on Comedy Central Tuesday nights at 1030, 930 Central.

00:28:14Marc:I also talked to Natasha Leggero about this, who I love.

00:28:17Marc:But we talked about other stuff.

00:28:18Marc:It's a well-rounded chat.

00:28:21Marc:This is me and Ricky Lindholm.

00:28:28Guest:Is that good?

00:28:31Guest:Can I turn this down to Satine?

00:28:32Marc:Oh, you've had enough of me already?

00:28:35Guest:I have like super hearing.

00:28:36Marc:Is that good?

00:28:37Guest:That's great, yeah.

00:28:37Marc:That's better?

00:28:38Guest:Yeah, that's much better.

00:28:39Marc:You have super hearing?

00:28:39Guest:Yeah, kind of.

00:28:40Marc:But I mean, is it like sensitive?

00:28:42Marc:I mean, does it hurt your head?

00:28:43Guest:No, no, no, no.

00:28:44Guest:I just, yeah, just have good hearing.

00:28:47Marc:How's your vision?

00:28:48Guest:It's great.

00:28:49Guest:Yeah.

00:28:51Marc:Is that because it's genetic?

00:28:52Marc:Are you like an Aryan person?

00:28:54Guest:I think so, yeah.

00:28:56Guest:I think I'm the dream Aryan.

00:28:58Marc:Yeah, what is it?

00:28:59Marc:I mean, like, what is it?

00:29:01Marc:Swedish?

00:29:02Guest:Swedish, English, and Irish.

00:29:03Guest:I thought I was just Swedish.

00:29:05Marc:That's pretty tough.

00:29:05Guest:Yeah, that's pretty good.

00:29:06Marc:Yeah.

00:29:07Guest:Yeah.

00:29:07Marc:Do you have people in your family that are from those countries, or is it too far back?

00:29:11Guest:I think from Sweden, but not currently.

00:29:14Guest:Everyone's dead who's from there, but I think my great-grandparents were from Sweden on both sides.

00:29:18Marc:You didn't know anybody.

00:29:19Marc:I didn't know anyone, no.

00:29:19Marc:Yeah.

00:29:20Marc:So wait, tell me about this moving every two years.

00:29:22Marc:Hold on a minute.

00:29:22Marc:I think I need to get a water over there.

00:29:24Okay.

00:29:25Marc:Everything's a little disheveled.

00:29:27Marc:I want to applaud your courage in going to the bathroom with the window out and workmen around.

00:29:33Marc:I thought that was pretty courageous.

00:29:35Guest:I felt okay.

00:29:36Guest:Yeah.

00:29:36Guest:I've gone in worse places.

00:29:38Marc:Well, that's the thing I always realize when I have fancy people over is that I'm worried about how dirty my bathroom is.

00:29:43Marc:And I'm like, they're actors.

00:29:44Marc:They're comedians.

00:29:45Marc:They've had a life.

00:29:47Marc:They've been to clubs.

00:29:48Guest:Yeah, everyone's been to a port-a-potty.

00:29:50Guest:I've gone to a port-a-potty wearing a jumpsuit, which I would not recommend.

00:29:54Marc:Oh, my God.

00:29:55Guest:Because you have to take it all off.

00:29:57Marc:Where was this, at a festival?

00:29:58Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:29:59Guest:And it was just like, oh, I shouldn't have.

00:30:01Marc:Like bumper shoot or something?

00:30:03Guest:Where was it?

00:30:03Marc:It was- At the FYI Fest or something?

00:30:06Guest:I think it was that one, yeah.

00:30:08Guest:Yeah?

00:30:09Marc:FYI?

00:30:09Marc:I don't know what it is.

00:30:10Marc:Was it the music festival or the comedy festival?

00:30:12Guest:It was the music festival in L.A.,

00:30:13Marc:The one down there that you take the train to?

00:30:15Marc:Yes.

00:30:15Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:30:16Marc:Right, and they had a comedy tent?

00:30:19Guest:Yes.

00:30:19Marc:That was terrible?

00:30:20Guest:Yes.

00:30:21Guest:Or was it?

00:30:22Guest:I don't remember.

00:30:24Marc:Did you perform?

00:30:24Guest:Yeah.

00:30:26Marc:Who, you and Kate?

00:30:27Marc:Mm-hmm.

00:30:27Marc:Yeah, I don't like the festivals.

00:30:29Marc:I don't like doing... I don't think it's a good venue for comedy.

00:30:33Marc:I'm happy they have us there, but it's never... I don't like a bunch of standing people who are shit-faced.

00:30:38Guest:I was going to say, comedy is bad when you're standing.

00:30:39Marc:I just can't take it.

00:30:41Marc:Maybe I'm too old for that shit.

00:30:42Guest:No, because when people stand, they think they can talk.

00:30:44Guest:And when they're sitting, they know to be quiet.

00:30:46Guest:We're just conditioned that way.

00:30:48Marc:Yeah, but standing always feels like you're just waiting.

00:30:50Marc:You're not locked in.

00:30:52Marc:You're just sort of like, what's the next song?

00:30:54Marc:What's going to happen now?

00:30:56Marc:It bothers me.

00:30:57Guest:I don't like standing in shows.

00:30:59Marc:I just got a feeling of nervousness.

00:31:01Guest:Really?

00:31:01Marc:Well, yeah, because I just, whenever I do those kind of festivals or audiences, I'm like, this is going to suck going in.

00:31:07Marc:Like, I'm standing there, I'm like, this will only be good despite the fact that it's going to be bad.

00:31:13Marc:Like, the baseline is, it's difficult.

00:31:15Guest:I agree.

00:31:15Guest:I think you go to hang out with friends and, you know.

00:31:18Guest:I feel like the only real conversations I've had with you were at a music festival.

00:31:23Marc:I don't know that we've ever had a real conversation.

00:31:25Marc:I don't know why that is.

00:31:26Guest:I feel like I had a conversation with you at, what's, Bonnaroo.

00:31:31Marc:Oh, that was another horrible situation.

00:31:34Marc:But that one, they claim that one's better because it's air-conditioned and it's indoors.

00:31:39Marc:It's more like a circus tent.

00:31:41Guest:Yeah, that one was so hot.

00:31:44Guest:I just stayed in the comedy tent all day.

00:31:46Marc:The worst.

00:31:47Marc:We had a real conversation?

00:31:48Guest:Yeah, we did.

00:31:49Guest:We almost went and got chicken.

00:31:51Marc:Oh, I went.

00:31:52Guest:Oh, you did?

00:31:53Marc:Well, yeah, sure, I went.

00:31:53Marc:Who did I take that time from?

00:31:55Marc:I think me and Kinane went.

00:31:56Guest:Oh, okay.

00:31:57Marc:Oh, yeah, I tried to get you to go get chicken.

00:31:59Guest:Yeah, I was down, but then no one would go with us.

00:32:01Marc:And what, we bailed?

00:32:02Guest:Yeah, we bailed.

00:32:03Marc:Oh, I must have went the next night.

00:32:04Marc:Yeah.

00:32:04Marc:I don't know.

00:32:05Guest:Yeah.

00:32:05Marc:Were you there with Kate again?

00:32:07Mm-hmm.

00:32:07Marc:Yeah.

00:32:07Marc:Oh my God.

00:32:08Marc:That was like, how long ago was that?

00:32:10Guest:Oh, so long ago.

00:32:11Guest:Was it that long ago?

00:32:11Guest:Eight years ago or something?

00:32:12Guest:I don't know.

00:32:13Guest:I'm really bad with time.

00:32:14Guest:I really am.

00:32:15Guest:I don't.

00:32:15Marc:But you do a show based on time.

00:32:18Marc:I know.

00:32:18Guest:I know.

00:32:19Marc:But that's a very specific period.

00:32:20Guest:Yeah.

00:32:21Guest:It's 1902.

00:32:22Marc:All right.

00:32:22Marc:Wait, let's go back to this moving every two months.

00:32:24Marc:How long have you lived?

00:32:25Marc:Where'd you grow up?

00:32:26Guest:I grew up.

00:32:27Guest:Well, I moved every year until I was in fourth grade.

00:32:30Guest:And then we stayed in this little town called Portville, which is like two hours south of Buffalo.

00:32:34Yeah.

00:32:34Marc:In New York, upstate New York?

00:32:36Guest:Yeah, like a town of a thousand people, you know, very Republican.

00:32:40Marc:Yeah.

00:32:41Guest:Yeah, it might as well be Midwest.

00:32:43Marc:How'd you end up there?

00:32:45Guest:My dad is an oil and gas lawyer and we sort of moved.

00:32:47Marc:Oil and gas lawyer.

00:32:48Guest:Yeah, and an entrepreneur.

00:32:50Guest:He always is opening businesses that I don't totally understand.

00:32:53Guest:Yeah.

00:32:54Marc:Like what?

00:32:54Guest:Like he'll be like, oh, I have a timber business.

00:32:56Guest:I'm like, oh, okay.

00:32:58Marc:That's it?

00:32:58Marc:You don't investigate any further than that?

00:33:00Guest:Not when I was little.

00:33:01Guest:He'd be like, I'm doing title work.

00:33:02Guest:And I'm like, that sounds good, Dad.

00:33:04Marc:Title work.

00:33:05Guest:Whatever.

00:33:05Marc:I know.

00:33:06Marc:For years when you're a kid, when you see a sign for title company, it's like, what does that mean?

00:33:09Guest:Yeah.

00:33:10Marc:They just name things?

00:33:11Guest:And you just don't investigate.

00:33:13Guest:My dad wore a suit and he went to work and we moved every year.

00:33:15Marc:And it was his own title company.

00:33:17Guest:Yeah, apparently.

00:33:18Marc:Every year he moved.

00:33:18Marc:Are you sure he wasn't on the run?

00:33:20Guest:I don't know.

00:33:21Marc:Is he still around?

00:33:22Guest:Yeah, he's still around.

00:33:23Guest:Both my parents are still around.

00:33:24Marc:Oh, that's good.

00:33:24Guest:They're still together.

00:33:25Marc:And they're still together.

00:33:26Marc:How many siblings do you have?

00:33:27Guest:One brother and a half sister.

00:33:29Marc:Half sister?

00:33:29Marc:How'd that happen?

00:33:31Guest:My dad got a woman pregnant in high school.

00:33:34Marc:Really?

00:33:34Marc:Yeah.

00:33:35Marc:And you have a relationship?

00:33:37Marc:He took the kid?

00:33:38Marc:How did that work?

00:33:39Guest:No, she ended up staying with her mom.

00:33:41Guest:And her mom married this lovely guy and they raised her.

00:33:45Guest:And then me and my brother had my parents.

00:33:48Marc:Right, but you have a relationship with the half-sister?

00:33:50Guest:Yeah.

00:33:51Marc:Yeah.

00:33:52Marc:That's odd.

00:33:52Marc:I guess it's not odd.

00:33:54Marc:It's fairly normal.

00:33:54Marc:But when did you realize that you had this half-sister?

00:33:57Marc:All the way through?

00:33:58Guest:No, I was eight or nine.

00:33:59Guest:I got really excited that I had a sister.

00:34:01Guest:And she was older.

00:34:02Guest:She was 15, so she was babysitter age.

00:34:05Marc:Really?

00:34:05Guest:So she was cool, older babysitter age.

00:34:07Guest:I thought that was awesome.

00:34:08Marc:That's sort of wild, though.

00:34:09Marc:You get that surprise.

00:34:10Marc:I guess when you're eight, it just seems like an extra added good thing.

00:34:14Guest:Totally.

00:34:14Marc:But when you're 15, it's like, how did I not know this?

00:34:17Guest:Yeah, I think it was much more emotional for her than it was for me and my brother.

00:34:20Marc:Yeah?

00:34:21Guest:I think we felt fine about it.

00:34:22Marc:Did she know, though, all along?

00:34:23Guest:No, she had just found out.

00:34:25Marc:Oh, my God.

00:34:26Marc:Did she just find out that he was her father?

00:34:29Guest:Yeah, I think so.

00:34:30Marc:Oh, my God.

00:34:31Guest:Well, it's weird.

00:34:32Guest:My family's not that open about stuff, so I'm not exactly sure what the story is.

00:34:36Marc:Really?

00:34:36Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:34:37Guest:We don't talk about a lot of things...

00:34:40Marc:Is that a Swedish thing?

00:34:41Marc:What is that?

00:34:41Guest:I don't know what that is.

00:34:42Guest:I don't know if it's a Swedish thing or just my family, but we sort of gloss over a lot of things and I'm just like, okay, I guess that's what happened.

00:34:50Marc:I think that's normal.

00:34:51Marc:I think like with all families, more gets revealed as time goes on as secrets become sort of exhausted.

00:34:58Marc:You know what I mean?

00:34:59Marc:I find that when my parents, as they get older, they tell you things.

00:35:02Marc:You're like, what?

00:35:03Marc:And they're like, oh, you didn't know that?

00:35:04Marc:I'm like, how would I know that?

00:35:05Guest:No, I didn't know that.

00:35:06Guest:I didn't know any of that.

00:35:08Marc:But put it back in your mouth.

00:35:09Yeah.

00:35:09Guest:But I always felt like I was missing something.

00:35:13Guest:Like I knew that I didn't know stuff.

00:35:15Marc:Yeah.

00:35:15Guest:And I would get mad at them and I didn't know why.

00:35:17Marc:Yeah.

00:35:17Guest:I'd say stuff like, you don't understand me.

00:35:19Marc:Yeah.

00:35:20Guest:I just felt like an emotional.

00:35:21Marc:Right.

00:35:22Marc:Like they were hiding something.

00:35:23Marc:Yeah.

00:35:24Marc:Yeah.

00:35:25Marc:And you get along with them.

00:35:26Guest:Yeah.

00:35:27Guest:Yeah.

00:35:27Marc:So where'd you go?

00:35:28Marc:Where'd you end up?

00:35:29Marc:What's the journey to show business?

00:35:30Marc:So you're in upstate New York.

00:35:32Marc:You're outside of Buffalo.

00:35:33Marc:Is that what you told me?

00:35:34Guest:In a town of a thousand people.

00:35:35Marc:Oh, my God.

00:35:35Marc:How far outside of Buffalo?

00:35:36Guest:An hour and a half, two hours, depending on the spot.

00:35:38Marc:That's not like right outside of Buffalo.

00:35:39Marc:Where the hell?

00:35:40Marc:You must have been closer to something else.

00:35:41Marc:No.

00:35:41Marc:That was the closest city in Buffalo?

00:35:42Guest:No, that was the closest mall, closest airport.

00:35:44Marc:What about Albany?

00:35:45Marc:How far is Albany?

00:35:46Guest:Albany is five hours.

00:35:47Marc:Oh, man.

00:35:48Marc:Yeah.

00:35:48Marc:I got to look at it.

00:35:50Marc:I forget how big New York is.

00:35:51Guest:It's enormous.

00:35:52Guest:Yeah, we're like seven hours from the city.

00:35:54Marc:But are you close to Canada?

00:35:56Guest:Yeah, two hours.

00:35:57Marc:Well, that's pretty good.

00:35:58Guest:Yeah.

00:35:58Marc:Did you go to Canada?

00:36:00Guest:We would go once a year to Toronto to see musical theater.

00:36:03Marc:Oh, well, that's important.

00:36:04Guest:Yeah, it was the best day of my life.

00:36:06Marc:Because I was closer than New York City.

00:36:07Guest:Yes.

00:36:08Marc:No shit.

00:36:09Guest:I didn't see a Broadway play until I was 23 or something.

00:36:11Marc:So Toronto was the cultural outlet.

00:36:14Marc:Buffalo is limited.

00:36:16Guest:Yes, it is.

00:36:17Guest:So I went to college for three years.

00:36:21Guest:I went to Syracuse.

00:36:24Guest:And that was just, I was just kind of depressed in college.

00:36:26Guest:It kind of just is a blip and I don't really focus on it or remember it.

00:36:30Marc:But wait, did you go to Niagara Falls or what?

00:36:33Guest:Yeah, a couple times.

00:36:35Marc:Isn't that by Buffalo?

00:36:36Guest:Yeah, but it was sort of like a two-hour journey in the snow, and once you go there once, we didn't leave the town too much.

00:36:42Marc:A thousand people?

00:36:43Guest:A thousand people.

00:36:44Marc:How many people in your high school?

00:36:45Guest:There's probably a thousand people in my high school, but it was K-12 in one building, and it was for a bunch of towns.

00:36:50Marc:A thousand people in the whole high school?

00:36:53Guest:In the whole, yeah, in kindergarten through 12.

00:36:56Marc:In the whole kindergarten through 12?

00:36:58Marc:In one building.

00:36:59Marc:So you're with the same people your whole life?

00:37:00Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:37:02Marc:That is wild.

00:37:03Guest:It's weird.

00:37:03Marc:Yeah.

00:37:03Marc:Are you friends with any of them?

00:37:05Guest:A couple.

00:37:06Guest:Not too many.

00:37:07Marc:So you got there when you were like six.

00:37:09Marc:So those were the people.

00:37:10Guest:I was nine or 10 when I got there.

00:37:12Marc:So 10 through 17, those are the people.

00:37:15Guest:That was it.

00:37:15Guest:Yeah.

00:37:16Guest:But I was expecting to leave just because we'd moved every year until then.

00:37:19Marc:What kept them there?

00:37:20Guest:I guess the business went well.

00:37:22Marc:The title business?

00:37:22Marc:Yeah.

00:37:23Marc:Or the timber business?

00:37:24Guest:I don't know.

00:37:24Guest:Oil and gas.

00:37:25Marc:Oh, right.

00:37:26Marc:Oil and gas law.

00:37:27Guest:Yeah.

00:37:27Marc:But he was a lawyer.

00:37:28Marc:Yes.

00:37:29Marc:Okay.

00:37:29Marc:At the bottom of it all, he was a lawyer.

00:37:31Guest:Right.

00:37:32Marc:And he's not in jail.

00:37:33Marc:So you have to assume.

00:37:34Guest:So I'm assuming it was.

00:37:35Marc:Is he retired?

00:37:36Guest:Semi.

00:37:37Marc:And what about your mother?

00:37:39Guest:My mom works for my dad.

00:37:41Guest:She used to be a professor, a college professor doing computers science stuff.

00:37:45Guest:And now she works for my dad.

00:37:46Marc:General computer science stuff.

00:37:48Marc:Back when that was a class.

00:37:49Marc:Yeah, exactly.

00:37:50Marc:Learning how to do what was that language?

00:37:53Marc:DOS.

00:37:54Guest:Floppy disks.

00:37:55Marc:Yeah, loading stuff in.

00:37:57Marc:That was the language that you had to learn?

00:37:58Marc:I couldn't wrap my brain around it.

00:38:00Guest:I couldn't either.

00:38:00Marc:I was in college.

00:38:01Marc:I took the computer class because I had to take something as an elective or whatever.

00:38:05Marc:Had the book.

00:38:06Marc:I'm like, no way.

00:38:07Marc:Not happening.

00:38:08Guest:No, but my mom taught it.

00:38:09Guest:I don't know.

00:38:10Guest:She was kind of the only woman in the computer department.

00:38:14Marc:What was the other language?

00:38:15Marc:It was DOS and something else?

00:38:16Marc:I can't remember.

00:38:17Marc:I don't want to ask how old you are.

00:38:18Marc:I don't remember.

00:38:19Marc:It doesn't matter.

00:38:20Marc:How old I am?

00:38:21Guest:Oh, I'm 38.

00:38:22Marc:So you're okay with talking about how old you are?

00:38:24Marc:Yeah.

00:38:24Marc:Good for you.

00:38:25Guest:Yeah, you can Google it.

00:38:26Marc:I know.

00:38:27Marc:But still, it's still in my brain.

00:38:29Marc:Now, is it still inappropriate to ask women to hold the air or is that okay now?

00:38:35Guest:I don't know.

00:38:35Guest:I'm okay with it.

00:38:36Guest:I'm pretty okay with anything.

00:38:38Marc:Cherry Coke.

00:38:39Marc:That's a Cherry Coke sweatshirt?

00:38:40Marc:Yeah, it is.

00:38:41Marc:Is that gone?

00:38:42Marc:It's gone, isn't it?

00:38:42Guest:I don't know.

00:38:43Marc:I remember how exciting it was when Cherry Coke came out.

00:38:45Marc:Wasn't it so good?

00:38:46Guest:But it tastes a little bit like Robitussin.

00:38:48Marc:That's true.

00:38:48Marc:That's the only problem with it.

00:38:50Marc:All right, so you're growing up.

00:38:51Marc:You're kindergarten through 12 with the same people.

00:38:54Marc:So you'd date boys and then you'd see them grow old?

00:38:59Guest:I suppose so.

00:39:00Marc:Have you gone back to a reunion?

00:39:02Guest:No, I don't go to reunions.

00:39:03Guest:I just kind of leave things in the past and just move forward.

00:39:08Marc:All right, so are you acting in high school?

00:39:10Guest:Our drama department got canceled after my freshman year.

00:39:13Guest:I think we ran out of funding.

00:39:15Guest:What?

00:39:16Guest:Yeah, so that got canceled.

00:39:18Guest:So I didn't do that.

00:39:20Guest:I wanted to.

00:39:20Guest:I loved musicals and stuff, but it's a poor town.

00:39:24Marc:So it didn't happen?

00:39:26Guest:No.

00:39:26Guest:We got a scoreboard.

00:39:27Marc:Oh, for the games?

00:39:29Guest:Maybe the money went in there.

00:39:30Guest:I don't know.

00:39:31Marc:They canceled the drama department?

00:39:32Guest:Yeah.

00:39:33Guest:before you got to do anything yeah or no i did a play my freshman year and then it got canceled so you know what play uh man of la mancha oh sure yeah yeah it was antonia or no yeah it's a pretty big production for a small school yeah yeah i mean it's and it's not that hard to get kind of in my school you know everyone kind of gets in it just depends on how big the party who sang dream the impossible dream isn't that wasn't that from that show my my boyfriend at the time

00:39:57Marc:Oh, he was a singer?

00:39:59Guest:Yeah, I was dating the lead in the play.

00:40:01Marc:I'd love to see pictures of you and the boyfriend in freshman year or whatever.

00:40:07Guest:Yeah, he was a senior and I was a freshman.

00:40:09Marc:It's so funny, you really think you're pulling it off when you do the grown-up parts.

00:40:14Marc:When you're in it in high school or junior high, you're like, I'm getting by, I'm passing.

00:40:18Marc:And then you see pictures, you're like, I'm like a kid.

00:40:21Marc:This was ridiculous.

00:40:21Marc:So ridiculous.

00:40:22Marc:And the parents just look at you like, aw, that was so good.

00:40:26Marc:They know.

00:40:27Guest:But you think it's actually good.

00:40:29Marc:I think that's really the one thing we should thank adults for.

00:40:32Marc:Generally, if they're good adults, they don't tell us how ridiculous we actually look.

00:40:37Marc:And they just sort of find it sweet.

00:40:39Guest:I think that's a good parent.

00:40:40Marc:Yeah.

00:40:41Marc:You don't look like a grown-up.

00:40:43Marc:Right.

00:40:43Marc:It's silly that you're doing this play.

00:40:46Marc:They're like, that was good.

00:40:48Guest:Man, I wanted to do plays, though.

00:40:49Marc:But you go to Toronto and you saw shows in high school, so that was what planted the seed?

00:40:54Guest:Yeah.

00:40:55Guest:We would see Phantom of the Opera or Miss Saigon or one of these, whatever was playing.

00:41:00Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:41:00Marc:Miss Saigon.

00:41:01Marc:Yeah.

00:41:01Marc:Did you like Toronto?

00:41:02Marc:Toronto's a good town.

00:41:03Guest:Yeah.

00:41:04Guest:We would just go for the night, but I loved it.

00:41:06Marc:Just for one night?

00:41:06Guest:Yeah.

00:41:07Marc:Okay, so you go to college and it's Syracuse.

00:41:11Marc:Yes.

00:41:11Marc:How far is that from wherever that was?

00:41:12Guest:That's like three hours from where I'm from.

00:41:14Marc:How big is New York?

00:41:16Guest:It's enormous.

00:41:16Guest:Oh, my God.

00:41:17Guest:Syracuse is on the way to Albany.

00:41:19Marc:right because troy and albany are close yes right i believe so yes they are they're not that far yeah they're not that far right um beautiful theater in troy i played at it was built in the 1800s and people go to record classical music there because it's the acoustics are so perfect and you go to i can't remember the name of the theater but it was like just the acoustics are spectacular really i did not know that oh like it was astounding so

00:41:43Guest:So yeah, I was just kind of dying to get out of my town.

00:41:47Marc:Yeah, so you go to Syracuse.

00:41:48Guest:So I went to Syracuse.

00:41:49Guest:I thought I was going to go to Harvard.

00:41:51Guest:I just really thought that that was going to happen.

00:41:53Marc:Did you get straight A's and shit?

00:41:54Guest:Yeah, I was like Little Miss class president kind of person.

00:41:58Marc:Oh, that makes sense.

00:42:01Guest:I was like such an overachiever.

00:42:03Guest:I made my first sort of to-do list, like life to-do list when I was 12.

00:42:07Guest:And I decided that I was going to an Ivy League school.

00:42:09Marc:Oh yeah, sure.

00:42:10Marc:Yeah, me too.

00:42:11Marc:But I didn't do any of the homework.

00:42:13Guest:Oh, I did all the homework.

00:42:14Guest:It just didn't work out.

00:42:15Guest:I didn't get in.

00:42:16Marc:How did you not get in with straight A's?

00:42:18Guest:I don't know.

00:42:19Marc:Where'd you play?

00:42:20Guest:Everywhere that was in Ivy League.

00:42:22Marc:Oh, really?

00:42:22Marc:Yeah.

00:42:23Marc:All of them?

00:42:23Marc:All 12 or 13 of them?

00:42:24Guest:Yeah, whatever.

00:42:25Marc:Not one?

00:42:26Marc:Nope.

00:42:27Guest:Nowhere.

00:42:28Guest:Yeah.

00:42:28Marc:What the fuck happened?

00:42:29Guest:I don't know.

00:42:30Guest:I don't know.

00:42:31Marc:That doesn't seem fair.

00:42:32Marc:Who wrote your letters for you?

00:42:33Marc:What did you have to, couldn't, yeah.

00:42:35Marc:Oh, I'm sorry.

00:42:36Guest:Oh, no, I'm over it.

00:42:37Guest:But so I went to Syracuse and yeah.

00:42:42Guest:I don't know, college, I was just kind of depressed in college.

00:42:43Guest:I just kind of moved past it and then.

00:42:45Marc:So you were class president and then you went to college and you just went into a dark period?

00:42:49Guest:Yeah.

00:42:50Marc:You had no traction.

00:42:51Guest:I had no traction.

00:42:52Marc:You were a big shot.

00:42:53Marc:Now you're just lost.

00:42:54Guest:And then I was, yeah.

00:42:55Marc:In a sea of people just like you.

00:42:57Guest:30,000 sports fans.

00:42:58Guest:Oh, sports fans.

00:42:59Guest:Yeah.

00:43:00Guest:And I was like, where am I?

00:43:00Marc:You didn't find the nerds?

00:43:02Guest:I did find the nerds.

00:43:03Guest:It just, yeah.

00:43:04Marc:Were they all sad too and dark?

00:43:05Guest:No.

00:43:06Guest:No.

00:43:07Guest:I don't think so.

00:43:08Marc:Did you go there for four years?

00:43:09Guest:I went for, I was there for five semesters.

00:43:12Guest:And then I did four.

00:43:13Marc:Five semesters, that's two and a half years?

00:43:15Guest:Yeah, and then I did one semester in England.

00:43:18Guest:And I just graduated early.

00:43:19Guest:I just plowed through it.

00:43:21Marc:Oh, really?

00:43:21Marc:You took all the necessary classes to graduate early?

00:43:23Guest:Yeah.

00:43:24Marc:So you're sad and depressed in Syracuse, and it snows there, and you're under snow for a long time.

00:43:29Marc:And did you have a sad, depressed boyfriend?

00:43:31Guest:No, I didn't date anyone in college.

00:43:34Marc:Nobody.

00:43:34Guest:Nobody.

00:43:35Marc:Did you do any shows?

00:43:36Marc:No.

00:43:37Marc:You did nothing.

00:43:38Guest:Well, I did.

00:43:38Guest:Okay, let me.

00:43:39Marc:You're getting straight A's again?

00:43:41Guest:I'm forgetting.

00:43:42Guest:I did do a show.

00:43:43Guest:I was in the chorus of a musical my freshman year.

00:43:46Guest:Yeah.

00:43:47Guest:But yeah, I was getting probably straight A's like around that.

00:43:50Guest:I'm good at tests.

00:43:52Guest:Yeah.

00:43:53Guest:It doesn't necessarily help you in life, but I was good at school.

00:43:56Marc:Yeah.

00:43:57Marc:You don't think it helped you in life?

00:43:58Guest:Not really.

00:43:59Guest:I mean, I don't think anyone cares.

00:44:01Marc:Not in the life you chose.

00:44:03Guest:Right.

00:44:03Marc:It might have helped you in some other life.

00:44:06Guest:I guess.

00:44:06Marc:Yeah.

00:44:07Marc:So you just did the chorus.

00:44:08Marc:You were just a girl in the background.

00:44:10Marc:Yeah.

00:44:11Marc:Being sad and singing.

00:44:12Marc:Sad and singing in the background.

00:44:15Guest:Just being sad and waiting for my life to start.

00:44:16Guest:Do you know what I mean?

00:44:19Marc:Yeah.

00:44:19Marc:Well, yeah, because you don't know what you're going to do and then you feel lost.

00:44:23Marc:So what made you go to England?

00:44:26Marc:Maybe that would help?

00:44:27Guest:Well, because you could see plays.

00:44:28Guest:There was courses where you could go to a bunch of... You went to plays like two or three times a week.

00:44:33Marc:Oh, so it was a drama exchange program kind of thing?

00:44:36Marc:Yeah.

00:44:36Marc:But you just signed up for that?

00:44:37Marc:That was the focus?

00:44:38Marc:It was a short exchange program with a drama focus?

00:44:42Guest:Yes, and it was amazing.

00:44:43Marc:And you go see Shakespeare and go see stuff in the West End and that kind of stuff?

00:44:47Guest:And I was just like, oh my God, this is the best thing in the world.

00:44:49Guest:That was it?

00:44:50Guest:Yeah, and I was like, well, I have to do this.

00:44:52Marc:Did you like England?

00:44:53Guest:Yeah.

00:44:53Guest:I loved it.

00:44:54Marc:Yeah.

00:44:55Guest:I really did.

00:44:55Guest:It was like it helped me sort of like start to get out of my darkness.

00:44:59Marc:The darkness.

00:45:00Marc:Were you on medication?

00:45:01Guest:Not until 10 years ago.

00:45:03Marc:Yeah.

00:45:05Guest:Well, because I don't know if you've dealt with medication kind of stuff, but it's like trial and error.

00:45:11Guest:Yeah.

00:45:11Marc:But you managed a certain amount of depression here and there for decades, basically?

00:45:21Guest:Yeah.

00:45:22Guest:And then I tried different SSRIs and things and nothing was really working or I had side effects.

00:45:28Guest:And then I was like, I'm going to try one last thing.

00:45:32Guest:And I tried this medication and my whole life changed in two weeks.

00:45:35Marc:And that's the one you're on now?

00:45:37Marc:Mm-hmm.

00:45:37Marc:Really?

00:45:37Guest:Yeah.

00:45:37Marc:It was just like... Which one?

00:45:39Guest:Welbutrin.

00:45:40Marc:Oh, Welbutrin was it?

00:45:41Marc:Yeah.

00:45:41Marc:Out of all of them, it's a classic.

00:45:43Guest:Mm-hmm.

00:45:43Guest:And it was just like, oh, I'm back to myself.

00:45:46Marc:Really?

00:45:46Guest:Yeah.

00:45:47Marc:Oh, my... So, like, okay, well, we'll get to... I never want to go off it.

00:45:52Marc:I think I took it once for, I think it was the same.

00:45:56Marc:I think Welbutrin and Zantex were the same.

00:45:58Marc:I took Welbutrin briefly.

00:45:59Marc:It was kind of, it jacked me up a little too much.

00:46:01Marc:I don't take anything and I haven't in a long time, but I remember trying Welbutrin to stop smoking.

00:46:08Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:46:09Guest:It's supposed to be good for that.

00:46:10Guest:I don't know why.

00:46:11Marc:Well, yeah, I think Zantax or whatever that name was, that non-smoking pill, I think is basically Wellbutrin.

00:46:16Marc:It's the same pill.

00:46:17Guest:Right.

00:46:18Marc:All right.

00:46:19Marc:So you get all juiced up in England to do theater.

00:46:23Marc:What did you see there?

00:46:23Marc:Did you go to Shakespeare?

00:46:24Marc:Did you go to, what do you call it?

00:46:26Guest:Stratford upon Avon.

00:46:27Marc:Yeah.

00:46:27Marc:Stratford upon Avon.

00:46:28Guest:Yeah, I went there and, you know, to, you know, all the, you know, Old Vic and just everything.

00:46:34Guest:And I got really excited.

00:46:35Guest:And I just, I didn't know exactly what I was going to do, but I knew I wanted to be part of it.

00:46:40Marc:So you saw classics, you saw Shakespeare, and then you saw modern theater.

00:46:44Marc:Yes.

00:46:44Marc:They mixed it up for you.

00:46:45Marc:Yes.

00:46:45Marc:And they took care of all the bookings and stuff.

00:46:48Marc:That's a good program.

00:46:49Guest:Yeah, it was amazing.

00:46:50Guest:And I was just so excited.

00:46:51Marc:Do you remember where you were living in England?

00:46:53Guest:I think I lived on Baker Street near the Sherlock Holmes Museum or whatever.

00:46:59Marc:I was there for a month on an exchange program.

00:47:01Marc:Did you like it?

00:47:03Marc:I don't know.

00:47:05Marc:You get me away from things that I'm comfortable with.

00:47:10Marc:I lose sense of who I am.

00:47:12Marc:Even if I go on the road, if the hotel's not properly positioned near humans, I'm sort of like, ah.

00:47:19Guest:You get lonely?

00:47:20Marc:I don't know if it's lonely.

00:47:21Marc:I'm literally sort of like, do I exist?

00:47:23Marc:What is happening?

00:47:25Marc:It's weird.

00:47:26Marc:It is weird.

00:47:27Marc:Because I remember I was in high school when I went on the exchange program.

00:47:32Marc:It was only for a month.

00:47:33Marc:It was a summer thing.

00:47:34Marc:And everyone else in the program had already been at college.

00:47:37Marc:I was going into my freshman year of college, and they were all sort of sophomores.

00:47:41Marc:So they were already sort of like, no, look at this kid.

00:47:44Guest:They'd already been away from home.

00:47:45Marc:Right, and I was this outsider just because I was young.

00:47:49Marc:And I just remember not really connecting with a lot of people and wandering around by myself.

00:47:54Marc:And then you just start to feel invisible and weird.

00:47:57Guest:That's always the worst.

00:47:58Marc:Do you know that feeling?

00:47:58Guest:Yes, I do.

00:47:59Guest:Yeah, I moved to San Francisco right after college, and I had a very hard time making friends.

00:48:04Guest:Well, I was also depressed.

00:48:05Marc:That's a rough city, though.

00:48:06Marc:Yeah.

00:48:07Guest:But I felt invisible, and I wasn't there very long.

00:48:09Guest:I had to just...

00:48:10Marc:It's a little brutal because so much of that city is about sort of like bullying your identity.

00:48:16Marc:Like, you know, like so much about San Francisco, even like the even like, you know, the weird kind of like homeless people are very well defined.

00:48:25Marc:Everybody's very well defined in a certain way.

00:48:28Guest:Yeah.

00:48:28Guest:And I felt a little blank.

00:48:30Marc:Yeah, it's a horrible place to feel blank.

00:48:31Guest:Yeah.

00:48:32Marc:As San Francisco is.

00:48:34Marc:It's horrible to feel blank anywhere, but that place, it can be kind of harsh because it's not a very sympathetic city if you don't know who you are.

00:48:41Guest:Yeah.

00:48:42Guest:God, that's so well put.

00:48:43Guest:Yeah.

00:48:44Marc:It seems to make sense.

00:48:46Marc:It seems a lot of people are coming into themselves, but they're aggressive or something.

00:48:50Marc:I don't, I can never, I lived there for like a couple of years on and off.

00:48:53Guest:Oh, that's right.

00:48:54Marc:And I could never really get a handle on it.

00:48:57Guest:Yeah, I couldn't get a foothold there.

00:48:58Guest:I don't usually have a hard time making friends and I just didn't make any.

00:49:01Marc:So you just went there blind?

00:49:04Guest:I went there to go to an acting program for the summer and then sort of stayed there for a few months after.

00:49:09Marc:Which acting program?

00:49:10Guest:ACT.

00:49:10Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:11Marc:That was downtown like on Mason or somewhere.

00:49:14Marc:It was right across from the improv.

00:49:15Marc:There was an improv there.

00:49:16Marc:ACT was around there, I remember.

00:49:18Marc:Oh, was it?

00:49:18Marc:Yeah, it was sorted by Union Square somewhere.

00:49:20Marc:Right.

00:49:20Marc:Yeah.

00:49:22Marc:I took acting classes in San Francisco with Sherry Carlson, but I don't know.

00:49:27Marc:It's an odd place, man.

00:49:28Marc:So you come back.

00:49:29Guest:It's funny, though, because I was taking classes there and I had I played guitar and this other girl who's in my class, we wrote some funny song and played it at the final show.

00:49:42Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:49:42Guest:And of course, it did not occur to me to pursue that at all.

00:49:44Guest:I was like, now I'm going to pursue classical acting.

00:49:46Guest:And, you know, my scene was fine.

00:49:48Guest:Yeah.

00:49:49Guest:But the song was a total hit.

00:49:50Guest:And I was like, well, I'm going to ignore that.

00:49:53Marc:Ignore that.

00:49:53Marc:The fun part.

00:49:54Guest:Yes.

00:49:55Guest:I'm going to ignore the part that went really well.

00:49:56Marc:And be real serious.

00:49:57Marc:Yes.

00:49:57Marc:That's so weird, because when I was in England at that program, I did a song with some other guy.

00:50:01Marc:Really?

00:50:02Marc:We wrote a funny song for the thing at the end.

00:50:04Marc:That's so funny.

00:50:05Marc:Yeah, the last night, everyone's like, hey, you're pretty cool.

00:50:09Marc:I'm like, nah, fuck off.

00:50:10Marc:Thanks, yeah.

00:50:11Guest:You're like, I was the whole time.

00:50:12Marc:I don't know if my memory's right, though.

00:50:14Marc:Can you trust your memory?

00:50:15Marc:I don't trust my memory at all.

00:50:17Marc:You were as shitty as you thought you were, in terms of sadness and all that?

00:50:20Marc:Do you really think you were that disconnected?

00:50:23Guest:I don't know.

00:50:24Guest:I don't trust my memory.

00:50:26Marc:Okay, so you come back from England, you had a good time, and then you tell your parents, who are clearly supportive, that you're gonna go to San Francisco.

00:50:34Marc:Yes.

00:50:34Marc:To go to ACT, specifically for that.

00:50:36Marc:So you had somewhere to go.

00:50:37Marc:You weren't just gonna be like, I'm just gonna get an apartment.

00:50:40Guest:No, I wasn't brave enough yet.

00:50:41Guest:And then, but I went to San Francisco and got my bravery up.

00:50:45Marc:What'd you learn at ACT?

00:50:46Marc:Did you stay for the whole time?

00:50:47Marc:It was just a summer program?

00:50:48Guest:It was like a couple month long program.

00:50:49Guest:It was great.

00:50:50Guest:You learn sort of basics of everything.

00:50:52Marc:Yeah.

00:50:52Guest:Because I'd never done acting school.

00:50:54Guest:So you learn, you know, Alexander technique and...

00:50:57Marc:Yeah, what is that again?

00:50:58Guest:My friend does that.

00:50:59Guest:It's the thing where you relax your back.

00:51:02Guest:There's a mantra where you're like, neck be free so my back can widen and my head can go forward and down.

00:51:08Guest:Sort of this mantra that you say to yourself.

00:51:09Marc:Did you find that that helps you into your current state?

00:51:12Guest:Yeah, I think so.

00:51:12Marc:You've integrated it?

00:51:13Guest:I think I have.

00:51:14Marc:So that was really your first go at that.

00:51:16Guest:Yes, I hadn't really taken acting classes before.

00:51:19Marc:You just went and watched theater in London.

00:51:21Guest:Yes, so it was a slow burn, and then I was like, I'm gonna take classes and see what happens.

00:51:25Marc:But you're still, you're only like 19, 20, right?

00:51:27Guest:Yeah, and so then I moved to Los Angeles.

00:51:30Marc:After San Francisco?

00:51:32Yeah.

00:51:32Marc:So you play guitar once with some other person.

00:51:35Marc:You put that on the back burner.

00:51:36Marc:Yeah.

00:51:37Marc:You don't do any more training after ACT?

00:51:39Guest:I did some acting classes in LA, but I never found one that I loved.

00:51:42Marc:So you're going to be a classically trained actor that didn't take classes?

00:51:46Guest:Yeah, totally.

00:51:48Marc:So you took yourself very seriously.

00:51:49Marc:Yes.

00:51:49Marc:And you're like, I'm going to be a serious actor.

00:51:51Marc:Yes.

00:51:51Marc:And you come down here...

00:51:53Marc:The one thing about San Francisco is you can be a whack job and sort of find your place and then be a big shot whack job.

00:52:01Marc:You come down here, it's just sort of like, what do I do?

00:52:03Guest:Yeah, I didn't know where to start.

00:52:04Marc:I don't know how, yeah, how did you start just coming down?

00:52:09Guest:Well, my first thing that I did, I still can't believe I did this, but it was before the, it's not before the internet, but it was before everyone had everything online, so you could kind of lie on your resume.

00:52:20Guest:And it was like, oh, well, I'll just make one up.

00:52:21Marc:No Wikipedia.

00:52:22Marc:No Wikipedia.

00:52:22Guest:Right, and as I get more jobs, I'll replace the false jobs with real jobs.

00:52:27Guest:So I just made up this, I made a postcard that had a headshot on it that had reviews of this play that I was in.

00:52:35Guest:I was Julia, Romeo and Juliet, by the way, in San Francisco summer stock, which is not true.

00:52:40Guest:There is no San Francisco summer stock.

00:52:42Guest:I just made it up.

00:52:43Guest:Sure, why not?

00:52:44Guest:And I put reviews on this postcard.

00:52:45Marc:So you're a liar.

00:52:46Marc:I'm a liar.

00:52:47Guest:I didn't know what to do.

00:52:49Guest:I was like, I didn't know a single person.

00:52:51Marc:You had to beef it up.

00:52:52Guest:I know nobody.

00:52:52Marc:That's so crazy.

00:52:54Guest:I knew no people.

00:52:54Marc:What the fuck were you thinking?

00:52:56Marc:I don't know.

00:52:56Marc:So did you like end up in Culver City?

00:52:57Marc:Where'd you end up?

00:52:58Guest:I ended up at Park La Brea.

00:53:00Marc:Oh, God.

00:53:01Marc:Well, that's not bad.

00:53:02Marc:It was fine.

00:53:02Marc:That made sense.

00:53:03Guest:Yeah, it totally made sense.

00:53:04Marc:More like a little studio at Park La Brea?

00:53:05Marc:Yep.

00:53:06Marc:So you're like, I can just walk to the Grove.

00:53:08Guest:The Grove didn't exist yet.

00:53:09Marc:Or, I mean, I can walk the farmer's market and eat there.

00:53:12Guest:Yeah.

00:53:13Guest:It's just like, I'll just start existing.

00:53:15Guest:And I sent out this postcard, and I got some auditions from the postcard.

00:53:20Marc:What do you mean?

00:53:20Marc:To who?

00:53:21Guest:I sent the postcard to casting directors.

00:53:23Marc:Really?

00:53:24Marc:Yes.

00:53:25Marc:They probably looked at you and thought, well, she seems chipper and wide-eyed.

00:53:28Marc:Yeah.

00:53:28Guest:Yeah, I can't believe it worked, yeah.

00:53:31Guest:But I got some auditions and sort of start, I got enough sort of positive feedback that I was like, okay.

00:53:35Marc:Where'd you get the casting directors?

00:53:37Marc:Did you have a book?

00:53:38Guest:There's like a book you could get at the Samuel French bookstore.

00:53:41Marc:So you went, you just did that.

00:53:43Marc:You went to Samuel French and the guy was like, should buy this book and reach out to these.

00:53:48Marc:Like all these things just to sort of gently nurture dreams without overdoing it because the disappointment is coming.

00:53:54Marc:Here's your starter kit to disappointment.

00:53:57Marc:Right.

00:53:57Guest:Yes, but I didn't think I was going to be disappointed.

00:54:00Guest:I was just ready to go.

00:54:01Marc:No, it's good.

00:54:02Marc:You bought it.

00:54:02Marc:You bought the bill of goods.

00:54:03Marc:You thought anything's possible, and it turns out that it kind of was.

00:54:07Marc:So you send it to casting directors, and then what happens?

00:54:10Guest:And then I started doing those casting director seminars.

00:54:13Guest:Do you know those ones that now they're kind of illegal or something for some reason?

00:54:17Marc:Oh, you'd pay for them to look at you?

00:54:19Guest:Yeah.

00:54:20Guest:And it worked.

00:54:22Guest:And I started working and I got an- What was the casting director seminar?

00:54:26Marc:What happens there?

00:54:26Guest:You sort of, you pay, I don't know, it was like $35 and you get a class from them.

00:54:31Guest:They'll tell you their thoughts on auditioning and then you get sides and you get to audition for them with the sides.

00:54:36Marc:So you kind of get to show them- So the gamble is that they'll actually see something in you and call you back.

00:54:43Guest:Yeah, and the worst thing that'll happen is you learn from the casting director, so it's fine.

00:54:48Marc:So you come down here and you send these things out, you get some auditions, you do a casting director seminar.

00:54:54Guest:Did a bunch of them.

00:54:56Marc:Oh, they had a lot of them?

00:54:56Marc:Yeah.

00:54:56Marc:They all had them?

00:54:57Marc:So it was a real racket.

00:54:59Guest:People think that, but I thought it was great.

00:55:01Marc:No, no, I'm just I'm just saying from their side.

00:55:04Guest:Yes.

00:55:04Guest:They made a lot of money, I'm sure.

00:55:06Marc:You know, because they're but I guess if it if if you are a testament to it actually working for you, then it's it's not quite a racket because they were they were honest in the fact that they were looking at people.

00:55:19Guest:Yeah.

00:55:19Guest:And I would get sort of one line here and there on things.

00:55:22Guest:I got my SAG card.

00:55:22Guest:You know, I would just get just a little.

00:55:24Guest:Did you get an agent?

00:55:25Guest:Eventually.

00:55:26Guest:Well, I got so I did these a couple lines and things and I would I loved this one theater company called the Actors Gang.

00:55:32Guest:And I had sent them my Tim Robbins.

00:55:34Guest:Yeah.

00:55:35Guest:And I got cast in a play there.

00:55:37Guest:And that sort of led to other things.

00:55:39Marc:Oh, okay.

00:55:39Marc:So, okay.

00:55:40Marc:So let me just get this straight.

00:55:41Marc:Is this all happening in the first year you're here kind of thing?

00:55:43Guest:The first three years.

00:55:44Marc:First three years.

00:55:45Guest:It was a slow burn.

00:55:45Marc:All right.

00:55:46Marc:Well, that's not a slow burn.

00:55:47Marc:I mean, some people never make it.

00:55:48Marc:So they would never do anything.

00:55:50Marc:So you do the casting, you get like one line parts on TV shows.

00:55:53Guest:Yeah.

00:55:54Guest:I had like, you know, one line on Gilmore Girls or, you know, just things like that.

00:55:58Guest:One line on Titus.

00:55:59Guest:That was my first job.

00:56:00Marc:With Chris Titus?

00:56:01Marc:Yeah.

00:56:01Marc:That was your first set?

00:56:02Marc:How was that?

00:56:03Guest:It was good.

00:56:04Guest:I think I said, like, you ready?

00:56:06Guest:I think I had a line like that.

00:56:07Guest:Yeah.

00:56:08Marc:You're the you're ready, girl.

00:56:10Marc:Yeah.

00:56:10Marc:And then and then like, I'm looking at the credits now.

00:56:13Marc:So you're on Gilmore Girls for five episodes and you do one line.

00:56:16Guest:Well, no, I did Gilmore Girls as one character.

00:56:18Guest:And then maybe four years later, they brought me back as a different character with actual with like real scenes.

00:56:24Marc:Right.

00:56:24Marc:OK.

00:56:25Marc:All right.

00:56:26Marc:So, OK, so you're chipping away at that.

00:56:28Marc:And then you just audition for the Actors Gang in Culver City.

00:56:30Guest:Yeah, it used to be on Hollywood and Vine, kind of.

00:56:33Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, before they got that space down there.

00:56:35Guest:Or Santa Monica and Vine, yeah.

00:56:36Guest:And I auditioned for a play, and it was a really cool play that Tim Robbins wrote and directed.

00:56:41Guest:Was it political and charged?

00:56:42Guest:Oh, totally.

00:56:42Guest:I played Condoleezza Rice in a commedia mask.

00:56:46Marc:He loves that commedia stuff.

00:56:48Marc:Yeah, I mean, I liked him, and I like his plays.

00:56:51Marc:I went and saw the most recent Commedia Della Arte thing, which was basically a tutorial in the form.

00:56:57Marc:Oh, I saw that, yeah.

00:56:58Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:58Guest:Yeah, that was interesting.

00:56:59Marc:A lot of movement, a lot of fun, big square stage.

00:57:02Marc:I like the way that stage is set up at the new place and when they use it like that.

00:57:05Marc:Me too.

00:57:05Marc:The whole square, you know?

00:57:07Guest:Yeah, and I loved Tim.

00:57:08Guest:I loved working with him and the play ended up going to the public theater in New York.

00:57:12Marc:What was it called?

00:57:13Guest:It was called Embedded.

00:57:14Marc:Yeah, I remember this.

00:57:14Guest:Yeah, so it ended up sort of going for a year probably.

00:57:19Guest:It was supposed to be, I think, six performances and it just sort of kept going.

00:57:23Marc:You stayed in it a year?

00:57:24Guest:Yeah, that's how things kind of started for me.

00:57:27Guest:And one day I did the play and I came out into the lobby and Clint Eastwood was in the lobby because Tim was doing Mystic River at the time, like all the Oscar kind of stuff for that.

00:57:37Guest:And Clint talked to me for a few minutes.

00:57:40Marc:Yeah, what did he say?

00:57:41Guest:He just was like, hey, how's it going?

00:57:45Marc:Clint Eastwood with that squint.

00:57:48Guest:Yeah, I was mesmerized.

00:57:49Marc:I was just like... I imagine that would be... I've never seen him in the flesh.

00:57:54Guest:He's tall and striking and has a sort of small voice that you come to him.

00:58:00Marc:I'm surprised that he was at a Tim Robbins play.

00:58:02Marc:I would think he would see it as some sort of liberal... He's a bit conservative.

00:58:08Guest:But Tim was in his movie, so he was in Mystic River.

00:58:10Guest:Yeah.

00:58:10Marc:Tim was great in that movie.

00:58:12Guest:He was great.

00:58:13Guest:And so then maybe three months later, Clint's casting director, Phyllis Huffman, called me and had me audition for Million Dollar Baby.

00:58:20Guest:And that was my first movie.

00:58:22Marc:Who were you in that?

00:58:23Marc:Was it a sister?

00:58:23Guest:I was a sister.

00:58:24Marc:I was like the more trash sister.

00:58:25Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:58:26Marc:Who's that woman who played your mother?

00:58:28Marc:Margot Martindale.

00:58:29Marc:She's so good.

00:58:29Guest:Oh, she's amazing.

00:58:31Marc:She's so good.

00:58:31Guest:I know.

00:58:32Guest:She's so, so good.

00:58:32Marc:Like I saw her recently.

00:58:34Marc:I feel like I saw her at the SAG Awards or something.

00:58:35Marc:What did I see her in?

00:58:36Marc:She always plays just like, you know, some, you know, kind of like vulnerable but horrible person.

00:58:43Guest:Yeah, she can sort of lead with her grossest parts, you know, just like, ugh.

00:58:47Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:48Guest:Yeah, I loved it.

00:58:50Guest:So that was my first...

00:58:51Marc:that's crazy so you work with Tim for a year now like in a production like that like I imagine that is there an evolution to it or did it stay kind of what it was it kind of stayed what it was really yeah once he got it but was the process of putting it together that was an evolution yeah

00:59:09Guest:Yeah, because I went and I had auditioned to play Jessica Lynch.

00:59:14Guest:Do you remember that soldier, like the blonde soldier?

00:59:15Guest:And I ended up doing a comedia part.

00:59:18Marc:Yeah, I'm assuming you didn't do Condoleezza in blackface.

00:59:21Guest:No, no, no.

00:59:22Guest:Yeah, we all had comedia masks on.

00:59:24Guest:No, oh my gosh, no.

00:59:26Marc:That would have been not great.

00:59:28Marc:And Tim was good to work with as a director.

00:59:31Marc:It was exciting.

00:59:32Marc:He created a good environment.

00:59:33Guest:Yeah, he was awesome.

00:59:34Guest:And sort of for me...

00:59:37Guest:And I don't even know if he knows this, but he just, for me, became like the model of what you do, which is like when you're not working, you write.

00:59:45Guest:And when you have time off, you make your own thing.

00:59:49Marc:Did he tell you that or you just observed that?

00:59:50Guest:I just observed it.

00:59:52Guest:He may have said it to me at one point.

00:59:54Guest:I don't know.

00:59:54Guest:But I just saw him just constantly working so hard.

00:59:57Guest:Like while he was at the top of his game, he was winning.

01:00:00Guest:He won the Oscar that year.

01:00:01Guest:And he was just writing all the time and working.

01:00:04Marc:What did he win it for?

01:00:05Guest:Mystic River.

01:00:06Marc:Did he win the Oscar Best Supporting for Mystic River?

01:00:08Marc:Yeah.

01:00:09Marc:Oh, yeah.

01:00:09Marc:It's a brutal part.

01:00:10Guest:Yeah, it really is.

01:00:11Marc:Yeah.

01:00:12Marc:But you just were impressed by his work ethic.

01:00:14Guest:Yeah.

01:00:15Marc:I'm like, I want to do that.

01:00:16Marc:Yeah.

01:00:16Marc:And then you get... Well, that's pretty insane that you get... Clint Eastwood hooked you up with...

01:00:22Guest:That was crazy.

01:00:23Guest:I couldn't believe that that was real.

01:00:25Marc:Did he tell you he was going to do it?

01:00:26Guest:No.

01:00:28Marc:You just met with her?

01:00:30Marc:I auditioned.

01:00:32Guest:She called me and said, come and audition.

01:00:34Marc:But it must have come from him, huh?

01:00:36Guest:I don't know.

01:00:36Guest:I'm not sure.

01:00:37Marc:Or maybe she was there.

01:00:38Marc:So now you're on your way?

01:00:41Guest:Sort of, yeah.

01:00:42Guest:I mean, it was just always sort of up and down and I would get little things here and there and I was just always hustling and hustling and hustling.

01:00:49Guest:But then when the writer's strike was about to happen, I knew that I was in sort of major trouble.

01:00:54Marc:2008.

01:00:56Marc:Was it then?

01:00:57Guest:Yeah.

01:00:58Marc:That was brutal.

01:00:58Guest:Yeah, that was brutal.

01:00:59Marc:I was in the middle of writing something.

01:01:01Guest:Were you?

01:01:01Marc:Yeah.

01:01:02Guest:What were you writing?

01:01:03Marc:We had a deal with HBO, me and Jerry Stahl.

01:01:05Marc:Oh, man.

01:01:06Marc:And we were right in the middle.

01:01:07Marc:And then you're like, put your pencils down.

01:01:09Marc:Pencils down!

01:01:10Guest:Yeah.

01:01:11Guest:Oh, no.

01:01:13Guest:God, that's the worst.

01:01:14Marc:Well, I mean, I wasn't essentially a writer, but I did finally get this deal to write this thing, and then it's like, what?

01:01:21Guest:Was it a starring vehicle for you?

01:01:22Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:01:23Marc:It was a development deal, and we were writing the script, and then eventually the strike ended, and we finished it, and then the head of HBO changed.

01:01:30Guest:Yeah, just everything changed.

01:01:32Guest:And I felt like it was... So how did it affect you?

01:01:34Guest:Well, I could... You were writing?

01:01:36Guest:No, I was just acting.

01:01:38Guest:But I felt... Everything was about to change and I knew my career was kind of just going to be over when the strike was over.

01:01:45Guest:Because I was testing for a lot of things.

01:01:47Guest:I just knew there was going to be half as many parts.

01:01:49Marc:Oh, really?

01:01:50Marc:Is that what happened?

01:01:51Guest:Yeah.

01:01:52Guest:And I wasn't really successful enough in my mind to ride that out.

01:01:57Guest:And so I was like, I got to figure out what else I'm good at.

01:01:59Marc:So you were just like kind of a bit player in your mind.

01:02:02Guest:Yeah.

01:02:03Marc:And probably that's probably a reasonable assessment.

01:02:06Marc:Yeah.

01:02:06Guest:And so that's when I started Garfunkel and Oates.

01:02:08Marc:Oh, it didn't seem like come from insecurity.

01:02:10Marc:You were being practical.

01:02:11Guest:I was being practical.

01:02:13Guest:I was, yeah, my friend told me later, he was like, your career was going just well enough for you to not realize how terrible it was.

01:02:19Marc:Well, yeah, you were waiting for a break.

01:02:22Guest:Yeah.

01:02:23Marc:I mean, it wasn't so much that it was terrible.

01:02:25Marc:You were in the game, but you needed a break.

01:02:28Guest:Yeah.

01:02:28Guest:I was testing for shows and sort of in that game where you can tell yourself that it's going well.

01:02:33Marc:Well, that's what it is.

01:02:34Marc:Yeah, but you don't have any control over that.

01:02:37Marc:Right.

01:02:37Marc:Well, that's just the nature of the thing.

01:02:40Marc:But, I mean, you're testing.

01:02:41Marc:That's huge to get that far up the rung of auditions.

01:02:45Guest:Yeah.

01:02:45Marc:Yeah.

01:02:45Marc:you know, to do it more than once.

01:02:47Marc:I mean, it's brutal, but that's it.

01:02:49Marc:But that's the roll of the dice.

01:02:51Marc:Like any one of those tests could have been the rest of your life on a TV show.

01:02:55Guest:Yeah, it could have been Mad Men or something, or The Office.

01:02:57Marc:Or the other one, Big Bang Theory, whatever.

01:03:00Marc:Yeah.

01:03:01Marc:You've been on that.

01:03:02Marc:um yeah yeah yeah did more than once three times oh yeah as a recurring thing yeah it was fun yeah it's fun and and we wrote uh kate and i wrote a song for it for one episode well how'd you meet like okay so so this after the writer's strike where you're pulling yourself up by your bootstrap so you don't fall down the hole of darkness and and anonymity in hollywood yeah you you enter the world of comedy

01:03:27Guest:Yeah, it was.

01:03:27Guest:Well, it was right before the writer's strike because I just, you know, we all saw it coming.

01:03:31Guest:And so I decided to try to see what else I was good at.

01:03:35Guest:And I wrote a short that I was going to direct for me and Kate, where she was playing my imaginary friend.

01:03:40Marc:How did you know Kate?

01:03:40Marc:How did you meet Kate?

01:03:41Guest:I met her doing commercials.

01:03:44Guest:We were both sort of getting called back to all the same commercials.

01:03:48Guest:So just from auditions, I see her.

01:03:50Marc:They were kind of casting girls with big eyes for a minute there for looking for Viking paintings.

01:03:56Guest:Yeah, pretty much.

01:03:57Guest:Or there'd be the audition for like an elf and it was both me and Kate would get for a ferry.

01:04:01Guest:We were both there.

01:04:02Marc:Right.

01:04:03Guest:And so we met actually in the audience at UCB.

01:04:06Guest:We were just there to see a show and started talking.

01:04:08Marc:Did you go there a lot?

01:04:09Guest:Yeah, a little bit.

01:04:10Guest:A little bit.

01:04:11Guest:And then we became friends and...

01:04:15Guest:I don't know if you had this when you started doing comedy, but I always had a hard time finding people that I could sort of tell my dreams to.

01:04:23Guest:Do you know what I mean?

01:04:24Guest:Like tell my goals and dreams.

01:04:27Marc:Well, I don't know that... Yeah, I...

01:04:31Marc:I don't know if I was ever looking for somebody.

01:04:34Guest:No, I always wasn't.

01:04:36Guest:And Kate was sort of a safe space for that.

01:04:38Guest:And we used to go to California Pizza Kitchen in the Beverly Center and write down our things that we wanted.

01:04:43Guest:And we would put them on little napkins and save them in our wallets.

01:04:47Guest:And then we would go back a month later and read them to each other, like say them out loud.

01:04:50Guest:That's cute.

01:04:51Guest:And we were both writing comedy songs.

01:04:53Guest:And so when I made my short, I was like, let's make it a musical.

01:04:57Guest:And we did.

01:04:58Guest:And then our band was born from that.

01:05:01Marc:Because she plays a couple instruments.

01:05:03Guest:She plays ukulele, guitar, piano, and trombone.

01:05:06Marc:Trombone.

01:05:06Marc:And you play guitar?

01:05:07Guest:I play guitar, a little bit of piano, and I play flute.

01:05:11Marc:Flute?

01:05:11Marc:Yeah.

01:05:12Marc:You look like a flute player, a flautist.

01:05:14Guest:I really do, yeah.

01:05:15Marc:Yeah, like were you a high school flautist?

01:05:17Marc:Yeah.

01:05:18Marc:Oh, of course.

01:05:20Guest:Kind of anything you think I was in high school, I probably was.

01:05:24Marc:Did you ever try the piccolo?

01:05:25Guest:Yep.

01:05:26Guest:Yeah.

01:05:27Guest:I was in the marching band.

01:05:27Guest:I played piccolo.

01:05:28Marc:You played piccolo in the marching band?

01:05:30Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:05:31Marc:Oh, that's what you are.

01:05:33Guest:Yeah, I am not.

01:05:35Marc:You're in a marching band.

01:05:36Guest:Uh-huh.

01:05:37Marc:Yep.

01:05:38Marc:Oh, my God.

01:05:39Marc:How is this just coming out now?

01:05:40Marc:This is the crux of all of it.

01:05:42Guest:Were you in the marching band?

01:05:43Marc:No.

01:05:44Marc:Oh.

01:05:45Marc:I did design.

01:05:46Marc:Here's my connection to a marching band.

01:05:50Marc:My elementary school had sort of a ragtag marching band.

01:05:53Marc:It was a little private school.

01:05:54Marc:And they had a contest for someone to design the banner that they would walk with in front.

01:06:00Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:06:00Marc:And I won that.

01:06:02Marc:I designed it.

01:06:02Marc:So I was more of an artist guy, not a marching band guy.

01:06:07Guest:Well, that is cooler.

01:06:08Marc:Yeah, it was cool to see my design in the Manzano day school marching band.

01:06:13Marc:And I created this weird big kind of like trumpety horn thing that wasn't a real instrument.

01:06:19Marc:It was just sort of an abstract.

01:06:20Guest:That's cool.

01:06:21Guest:Do you still do that stuff?

01:06:22Marc:Draw?

01:06:23Marc:I don't really, I don't do any of it.

01:06:25Marc:No, I don't.

01:06:26Marc:I was pretty serious about it.

01:06:28Marc:I mean, I used to do it a lot.

01:06:29Marc:A lot of drawing and a lot of, I did photography in high school.

01:06:33Guest:When you're 80, you're gonna start a George Bush style painting habit, I bet.

01:06:37Marc:Yeah, yeah, George in the paintings.

01:06:39Marc:What a charmer.

01:06:41Marc:Everybody loves George W. Bush again in his paintings.

01:06:44Guest:I know, it's so strange.

01:06:45Marc:It's a little weird.

01:06:46Marc:But I did a horrible joke about him, about the paintings.

01:06:50Marc:What was it?

01:06:51Marc:You know, because he did that whole book of, you know, veterans, of like injured veterans, weren't they?

01:06:57Guest:He did?

01:06:57Marc:Yeah, he did a whole book of paintings of Gulf War, or Afghanistan War veterans and stuff, Iraqi War veterans.

01:07:04Guest:Oh.

01:07:04Marc:And I thought, it's a rare opportunity he gets to disfigure them twice.

01:07:08Guest:Yeah, cool.

01:07:08Guest:Yeah, that's such a weird war for him to select since he essentially caused it.

01:07:14Marc:Yeah, it's a little odd.

01:07:16Marc:I think he thought he was giving back somehow.

01:07:18Marc:I don't know.

01:07:20Marc:But yeah, no, I don't do any of that stuff anymore.

01:07:21Marc:Do you play Piccolo anymore?

01:07:23Guest:No, but I play the flute sometimes.

01:07:25Marc:Really?

01:07:25Guest:I'm not that good anymore, but...

01:07:27Marc:so you're a full-on kind of dork yeah yeah marching band marching band musical theater dork yeah well musical theater i get marching bands a little harder that's what that's what we had we didn't have i get it i get it but like that's like you know that crew you know they you know i with marching band i always feel like well i'm glad they have each other yes

01:07:48Guest:And we did, and it was nice.

01:07:50Marc:That's sweet.

01:07:52Marc:I don't think I was a bully to them, but it was just definitely a different world than mine.

01:07:58Marc:I was too busy being sort of like, what's gonna happen to make me a person?

01:08:02Marc:And they seemed to be sort of stuck in their identities kind of early.

01:08:06Marc:Oh, marching band people?

01:08:07Marc:Yeah, just because this is who we are.

01:08:09Marc:We're awkward.

01:08:11Marc:We don't fit in, but there's a lot of us kind of in the same frequency.

01:08:15Guest:I don't feel like I was ever in that frequency.

01:08:17Marc:No?

01:08:18Marc:But you know what I'm talking about?

01:08:19Marc:Am I making it up?

01:08:20Guest:My school was so small that it almost doesn't count what activities you're in.

01:08:24Guest:Because you can just kind of sign up.

01:08:26Marc:Right, because everybody gets sort of involved.

01:08:28Marc:They're just people that filled the roles and then the people that didn't do anything, the troublemakers.

01:08:32Guest:Yeah, and I was just in everything.

01:08:34Marc:Yeah, I get it.

01:08:35Marc:I get it.

01:08:36Marc:So you and Kate, you kind of get kind of famous in comedy a little bit, huh?

01:08:41Guest:It was crazy, yeah.

01:08:43Marc:What really happened?

01:08:45Marc:What was the arc of that?

01:08:46Marc:Because I think that's where I first saw you was with her.

01:08:49Guest:Yeah, yeah, probably.

01:08:50Marc:And you guys did my show.

01:08:51Marc:I think you did a live one.

01:08:52Marc:Yeah, we did, yeah.

01:08:54Marc:And I don't think I've done a one-on-one with Kate.

01:08:57Guest:No, not yet.

01:08:58Marc:Huh.

01:08:58Marc:So you guys start and you're writing songs and then what happens for you two?

01:09:03Guest:So we put our songs on YouTube and it wasn't that big of a thing at the time so we didn't expect anything from it.

01:09:12Guest:We were just playing songs on my couch.

01:09:13Guest:And then the creator of Scrubs or one of the writers called and they wanted to use one of our songs as a musical number.

01:09:20Guest:On Scrubs.

01:09:21Marc:Oh, wow.

01:09:22Guest:Yeah, and they hired Kate to play it with one of the actors on the show.

01:09:27Marc:Yeah.

01:09:28Guest:And so people were sort of started watching our videos after that.

01:09:32Marc:Yeah.

01:09:32Guest:And then we're like, I guess we gotta write more songs.

01:09:34Marc:Yeah.

01:09:34Guest:So we made more videos.

01:09:35Marc:You made some money off that song, huh?

01:09:37Guest:A little bit, I think.

01:09:38Guest:Yeah, it wasn't crazy.

01:09:40Marc:Did they use it on Scrubs?

01:09:41Marc:Mm-hmm.

01:09:41Marc:It wasn't crazy?

01:09:42Guest:It wasn't crazy.

01:09:43Marc:Oh, because they only used it once.

01:09:44Guest:Yeah.

01:09:45Marc:Right.

01:09:45Guest:But yes, so we started writing more songs, and then we thought, oh, we should play these out.

01:09:51Guest:We started playing them out.

01:09:52Guest:But we didn't know anything about the comedy world.

01:09:57Guest:Our first real show, we rented out this building called the Fake Gallery and just put on an hour-long show.

01:10:02Marc:I know the Fake Gallery.

01:10:02Marc:Paul's Place?

01:10:03Marc:Yeah.

01:10:03Marc:Is it still around?

01:10:04Guest:I don't know.

01:10:05Guest:We thought you could just do an hour.

01:10:07Guest:We didn't know anything.

01:10:08Guest:We had that ignorance is bliss.

01:10:09Guest:We didn't know that comedians worked for years to do an hour.

01:10:12Guest:So we're just like, we'll just do an hour of...

01:10:14Marc:Yeah, but you're sort of a theater act.

01:10:16Marc:It's not, you know, I mean, I don't think, were there comics going like, who the fuck are these two?

01:10:21Guest:No, we didn't really know any comics then.

01:10:23Marc:Right, so I mean, I don't think any comics were judging you.

01:10:25Marc:It's like, they should only have two songs.

01:10:27Guest:Right, yeah, no.

01:10:28Marc:You did a show, you did a musical variety show.

01:10:31Guest:Yeah.

01:10:31Guest:So we started, we did that and then we did it again.

01:10:34Guest:And then after that, we started playing in the sort of crew that you're, you're around.

01:10:40Marc:The people I know, the UCB bunch.

01:10:41Marc:Yeah.

01:10:42Guest:Yeah.

01:10:43Marc:I was, you know, I look, I was a late comer to that and it's not, I'm not indigenous to that crew, but I know them all.

01:10:50Marc:Right.

01:10:50Guest:Well, you were to us cause you were there when we got there.

01:10:52Marc:Sure.

01:10:53Marc:Yeah.

01:10:53Marc:I mean like, cause what year was that?

01:10:55Guest:2008 or nine.

01:10:56Marc:Oh, was it that late?

01:10:57Guest:Something like that, yeah.

01:10:58Marc:Oh, yeah.

01:10:59Marc:Yeah, I was around trying to keep my presence up.

01:11:02Marc:But it's weird because I've kind of cycled out of alt rooms and I'm back primarily working at the comedy store.

01:11:10Marc:Really?

01:11:10Marc:Yeah.

01:11:11Marc:What am I going to do?

01:11:12Marc:Go over to Nerd Melt?

01:11:13Marc:Is it still there?

01:11:15Guest:Yeah, I think so.

01:11:17Guest:Yeah, Kate and I haven't played a show in a while.

01:11:18Marc:Right.

01:11:19Marc:Well, you guys have gone your separate ways.

01:11:21Guest:Well, no, we actually haven't.

01:11:23Guest:We've been writing songs for animated movies and now we started writing Garfunkel and Oates songs again in the last week.

01:11:30Marc:Just now?

01:11:31Guest:Just now.

01:11:31Marc:God, I'm catching it.

01:11:32Marc:It's hot off the press.

01:11:33Marc:Yeah.

01:11:33Marc:Big news.

01:11:34Marc:Yeah.

01:11:34Marc:Garfunkel and Oates back at it.

01:11:35Guest:Yeah.

01:11:36Guest:So we're going to be playing, you know, pretty soon, hopefully.

01:11:38Marc:Like what, doing a night at Largo?

01:11:40Guest:Something like that, yeah.

01:11:42Guest:Well, I mean, we'll probably just go and try songs out at a Nerd Belt type place just to see how they're received.

01:11:49Marc:But what happened with all that?

01:11:51Marc:I mean, you kept doing big parts here and there, right?

01:11:55Marc:That kept happening.

01:11:56Marc:You were on Enlightened?

01:11:57Marc:Yeah.

01:11:58Marc:Who were you enlightened?

01:11:59Guest:I was a co-worker.

01:12:01Marc:Oh, that's right.

01:12:02Marc:You were one that, right, right, right.

01:12:03Marc:With Manzoukas.

01:12:04Marc:Yes.

01:12:05Guest:I tested for that show, actually.

01:12:07Guest:I was in the sort of testing level of things.

01:12:11Guest:I tested for that show against the girl who got the part, Sarah Burns.

01:12:15Guest:And then they were like, oh, we'll bring you back.

01:12:16Guest:So they wrote me a little part on there, and I was excited.

01:12:19Marc:Oh, yeah.

01:12:19Guest:Yeah, because everyone says that, and then nobody follows through.

01:12:22Guest:So it was nice that they...

01:12:23Marc:I liked that show.

01:12:24Marc:I was sad when that went.

01:12:26Guest:Me too.

01:12:27Marc:When that went away.

01:12:28Marc:So what happened with the Garfunkel and Oates show?

01:12:33Guest:Your show was on IFC, right?

01:12:35Marc:Yeah.

01:12:35Marc:That's right.

01:12:36Marc:You were there at the same time as me.

01:12:37Guest:Yeah.

01:12:39Marc:You did one season?

01:12:40Guest:One season.

01:12:41Guest:And it was a really intense experience.

01:12:44Marc:But it got you into knowing what that experience was like.

01:12:49Marc:I remember that because I was on, it must have been like my first or second season.

01:12:52Guest:Yeah.

01:12:53Guest:But then when I started on another period and it was so easy.

01:12:56Marc:And also it's not your life.

01:13:00Marc:There's something about, and I found that too, where you're doing a show about your life, where your attachment to the material is a lot different than just something you're making up.

01:13:09Guest:Yeah.

01:13:10Marc:You know, that you don't want to get too far away from what the authentic thing is.

01:13:15Guest:Right.

01:13:15Guest:And what actually happened.

01:13:16Marc:Yeah.

01:13:17Marc:That becomes problematic because it might not be good television.

01:13:21Guest:Right.

01:13:22Guest:Yeah.

01:13:22Guest:It might not be.

01:13:23Guest:It was.

01:13:23Marc:Yeah.

01:13:24Guest:Yeah.

01:13:24Marc:And then there's a lot of people telling you, like, your life's not that great.

01:13:27Marc:It's not that this part of your life and you.

01:13:30Marc:Right.

01:13:30Marc:We don't like it in the story.

01:13:31Guest:Yeah.

01:13:32Marc:So that's a little harsh.

01:13:33Guest:It was, yeah, Kate and I, it was a really weird time in our lives and I cried a lot and Kate and I got very close.

01:13:40Marc:Did you find that whatever you went through, you made changes in yourself that you learned?

01:13:47Guest:Yeah, yeah, I think so.

01:13:49Guest:I think I got less emotional about things.

01:13:52Guest:I tried to take things less personally.

01:13:55Guest:It was just a lot.

01:13:57Guest:I felt like it was kind of our story and it was big stakes.

01:14:02Guest:But then I started another period and I was like, oh, this is fine.

01:14:06Guest:Doing a TV show is not that bad.

01:14:07Yeah.

01:14:07Marc:Yeah, because you do get to, you know, now you get to just be creative outside of the personal risk of it.

01:14:15Marc:Yeah, it's different.

01:14:17Marc:Like when I took the gig on Glow, and I have nothing to do with the creativity, the creation of that, you know, but I just, I'm just acting.

01:14:23Marc:I'm just going to be this guy.

01:14:24Guest:You're really good on that show.

01:14:26Marc:Oh, thank you.

01:14:27Marc:Whereas like when it was my show, like I had to do everything.

01:14:29Marc:I was part of the writing, part of the, you know, in every scene.

01:14:33Marc:And, you know, you get tired of yourself.

01:14:34Marc:You're like, yeah, it's a relief.

01:14:36Guest:Did you like having a show?

01:14:37Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:14:37Marc:No, I think we did a good show.

01:14:39Marc:Ultimately, given the money we had and they were not, they let us do it.

01:14:45Marc:They were never really a problem.

01:14:48Marc:And also, my showrunners were pretty aligned with what I wanted to do.

01:14:53Guest:That's good.

01:14:54Marc:And the stories were good.

01:14:56Marc:I was real happy with it.

01:14:58Marc:I don't think a lot of people saw it, but that's all right.

01:15:01Guest:It's hard.

01:15:02Guest:It's hard being on a basic cable channel.

01:15:04Marc:Yeah.

01:15:04Marc:But yeah, there are those issues.

01:15:06Marc:But I think ultimately looking back on it, you know, I chose to end it after four seasons.

01:15:10Marc:And also I learned a lot about being on set, about acting, about, you know, I don't know how much I learned about producing or I did learn something about writing.

01:15:19Marc:But, you know, specifically about being in front of the camera, it was it was pretty useful.

01:15:25Guest:You feel like you learned how to be an actor sort of.

01:15:27Marc:sure definitely yeah definitely yeah even though i was playing myself you're still playing yourself yeah i mean you're always it's yeah but it's like you know people who are like we're just doing you it's like yeah but you got an act you got to act yeah you know their takes and their cuts or you know yeah it's not a documentary yeah yeah so that was good so so another period how did that come about because now you're this is season three

01:15:51Guest:Yeah.

01:15:52Guest:Season three.

01:15:53Guest:Natasha Leggero and I, we decided we wanted to make a short.

01:15:57Guest:Yeah.

01:15:58Guest:And we thought of this idea over some wine and love the idea and just decided to finance it ourselves because we wrote the short because we wrote the script.

01:16:09Marc:I love her.

01:16:10Guest:Isn't she so funny?

01:16:11Marc:Yeah.

01:16:11Guest:Everything she says is funny.

01:16:13Marc:I like her as a person.

01:16:13Guest:Me too.

01:16:14Guest:Me too.

01:16:16Guest:But we wrote this sort of 15-page short, and it wasn't that funny on paper.

01:16:21Guest:And so we're like, we need to make it to show people what the show would be.

01:16:25Guest:So Natasha and I made a short, basically a pilot presentation ourselves of what the show would be.

01:16:31Guest:And then we took it out and pitched it, and everyone passed.

01:16:36Guest:Everyone turned us down.

01:16:37Guest:Yeah.

01:16:37Guest:But we were kind of like, but it's so funny.

01:16:40Marc:They're not getting it.

01:16:41Marc:Yeah.

01:16:42Guest:And so we had our agents get feedback and everyone had the same feedback, which is that they didn't see where it could go.

01:16:47Guest:They felt like it was sort of a one note kind of sketch.

01:16:50Guest:And so we're like, great.

01:16:51Guest:So we'll show them where it can go.

01:16:53Marc:Going forever.

01:16:53Guest:Yeah.

01:16:54Guest:So we went, we wrote the pilot and we wrote sort of a Bible for the whole show and every character showing where it would go.

01:17:00Guest:And we recut the short and made it more just like poppy and fun.

01:17:03Guest:faster it's so fucking weird to me because it's sort of like you know upstairs downstairs went on for a while like they're they're the the i don't even know if that's the right show but like what you're satirizing those things go on forever yeah yeah and so that's what we thought so we're like we can we can show them yeah but they all had the same criticism so we're like okay well there's something to that we're not showing them where it's going so we went back and pitched it again and sold it

01:17:28Marc:To Comedy Central.

01:17:29Marc:Yeah.

01:17:30Marc:Well, I mean, what's even more impressive than that is the fact that, you know, you're on still.

01:17:35Marc:I know.

01:17:35Marc:Isn't that crazy?

01:17:37Marc:Yeah.

01:17:37Guest:It's crazy to get a show made.

01:17:39Guest:It's crazy that we're still on.

01:17:40Marc:Yeah.

01:17:41Marc:Well, the fact is, and that wasn't a comment about it's not good.

01:17:44Marc:It just doesn't seem that anything survives more than two seasons, especially on that network, if I'm not mistaken.

01:17:50Yeah.

01:17:50Guest:It's so hard to get anything to go.

01:17:53Guest:Yeah, we feel very lucky.

01:17:55Marc:Well, I mean, you must have figured out some sort of, you know, budget line because I mean, it is a pretty ambitious show in terms of, you know, doing a period piece.

01:18:03Guest:Yeah, but it's a low budget show.

01:18:05Marc:No, I know.

01:18:05Marc:But like, but you pull it off.

01:18:06Marc:I mean, it's a low budget show, but you still got to do what eight, 19, what is 18?

01:18:11Marc:What year is it in the movie?

01:18:12Marc:Oh, 1902.

01:18:13Marc:1902 in the series.

01:18:14Marc:Yeah.

01:18:15Marc:So you got to be true to that as best you can.

01:18:17Marc:You're not breaking that wall too often or at all.

01:18:20Marc:Are you?

01:18:20Guest:Well, no, so we just get scrappy, and we have really good crew people around us, really good costumer, really good production designer, DP.

01:18:28Guest:They sort of make it so that it looks like a show and not a sketch.

01:18:32Marc:Right, so it's all around this one family, and you're ongoing.

01:18:37Marc:Do you know where this ends?

01:18:39Marc:Do you have a seasonal, or are you just going to keep going?

01:18:42Guest:We have an idea of the last shot in the whole series if we keep going.

01:18:46Marc:Oh, okay.

01:18:46Marc:But you can fill in in between then?

01:18:48Marc:Yeah.

01:18:48Guest:Which is Lillian and Beatrice, me and Natasha boarding the Titanic and just like waving.

01:18:52Guest:We're like, that feels like it's gotta be the last shot.

01:18:55Guest:You just gave it away.

01:18:56Guest:I mean, well, yeah.

01:18:56Guest:I mean, we'll see.

01:18:57Guest:Who knows if that'll end up happening?

01:18:59Guest:But we have this idea.

01:19:00Marc:That's such a spoiler.

01:19:01Guest:Oh, man.

01:19:02Guest:I just ruined everything.

01:19:03Marc:You ruined your last shot.

01:19:04Marc:Your very last episode whenever that happens.

01:19:07Guest:Yeah, exactly.

01:19:08Guest:Yeah.

01:19:08Guest:Well, we'll see if it even gets there.

01:19:10Marc:Yeah.

01:19:11Marc:But you work with all these people that there's a whole crew.

01:19:15Marc:There's this crew of like these are people that I know, like Michael Ian Black and Brett Gelman.

01:19:22Marc:And who else is on there?

01:19:24Guest:Tom Lennon.

01:19:25Marc:Tom Lennon's great.

01:19:26Marc:But who's the big guy?

01:19:27Marc:Jason Ritter.

01:19:27Marc:Keckner.

01:19:28Guest:Oh, David Keckner.

01:19:29Guest:Oh, I love him.

01:19:30Guest:I love our cast so much.

01:19:31Guest:I love writing for them.

01:19:32Marc:Yeah, and there are people that come in and out.

01:19:35Marc:They're not all there all the time.

01:19:36Guest:Yeah.

01:19:36Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:19:37Guest:We sort of go based on people's schedules because everyone's so busy.

01:19:40Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:19:42Marc:I think that, yeah, it's so funny that there is this comedy crew that they all kind of show up in everyone's stuff.

01:19:49Guest:Yeah, it's really nice to have that.

01:19:51Marc:It is, yeah, because you've kind of known each other for years.

01:19:53Guest:Yeah, and you're in their stuff and they're in your stuff, and you can also get people last minute, which is nice, and you know that they'll be amazing.

01:20:01Yeah.

01:20:01Marc:So now that this is done shooting, what do you do?

01:20:03Marc:Do you still go out and, you know, do, are you doing movies or what's happening now?

01:20:08Guest:I've really just been writing.

01:20:09Marc:Yeah.

01:20:09Guest:Yeah.

01:20:10Guest:I just finished writing a movie musical.

01:20:12Guest:So we'll see.

01:20:13Marc:Really?

01:20:14Guest:Yeah.

01:20:15Marc:Like a real, real musical.

01:20:17Guest:Yeah.

01:20:17Guest:So like a romance or what kind of, yeah, kind of just like, but it's a comedy.

01:20:22Guest:So I'm going to try to get that made.

01:20:24Guest:And Natasha and I wrote a movie that we're trying to get made.

01:20:26Guest:Yeah.

01:20:26Guest:I like making things more than auditioning for things.

01:20:31Marc:Do you like making them more than being in them?

01:20:34Marc:Would you ever want to just be the writer?

01:20:37Guest:Maybe.

01:20:37Guest:I don't know.

01:20:38Guest:I do like being in them, though, too.

01:20:40Marc:Have you sold scripts?

01:20:42Guest:Yeah.

01:20:43Guest:Natasha and I sold this movie called Buffalo Tans, which is the one we're trying to get made.

01:20:48Marc:Oh, so you're staying involved.

01:20:50Marc:So you sold it.

01:20:51Marc:Are you guys in it?

01:20:52Guest:Yeah.

01:20:52Marc:Oh, okay.

01:20:53Marc:Currently.

01:20:53Marc:You are?

01:20:55Guest:Yes.

01:20:56Marc:So that's the idea.

01:20:56Marc:It's a project for you, too, that you sold.

01:20:59Marc:Yes.

01:20:59Marc:And it's not a period piece.

01:21:00Guest:No.

01:21:01Guest:It's about a matchmaking service in Buffalo.

01:21:03Guest:It's like Millionaire Matchmaker, but set in Buffalo.

01:21:05Guest:She comes from like... Rockford, Illinois.

01:21:07Marc:Right.

01:21:08Guest:So same kind of, yeah.

01:21:10Guest:Huh.

01:21:10Guest:We have similar trajectories, I think, Natasha and I.

01:21:13Marc:Yeah, well, she's got, but she's got like a severely kind of trashy background, right?

01:21:19Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:21:20Marc:Yours doesn't seem trashy.

01:21:22Marc:It seems just rural.

01:21:23Guest:Just small, just rural.

01:21:24Guest:Yeah, yeah, I would say that's true.

01:21:26Guest:That's true.

01:21:27Marc:Well, congratulations on the new season.

01:21:29Guest:Thank you.

01:21:29Marc:And I'm glad you're keeping up with the flute.

01:21:32Guest:Thanks, yeah.

01:21:34Guest:Thank you.

01:21:35Marc:And it's nice talking to you.

01:21:36Guest:Yeah, thank you for having me.

01:21:37Marc:Yeah.

01:21:43Marc:All right, that's the show.

01:21:44Marc:Go to WTFPod.com slash tour.

01:21:48Marc:For those of you in London, April 16th, Royal Festival Hall in Stockholm, Sweden, April 19th at the China Theatern.

01:21:59Marc:Tickets available.

01:22:00Marc:Oslo, Norway, April 22nd at the Folk Tiertret.

01:22:04Marc:Folk Tiertret.

01:22:07Marc:April 23rd, Amsterdam, Netherlands at the Royal Theater Car.

01:22:12Marc:Or Caray.

01:22:13Marc:I should know these.

01:22:15Marc:Dublin, Ireland.

01:22:16Marc:April 26th at Vicar Street.

01:22:19Marc:Those are selling very well, so I would get those tickets.

01:22:22Marc:I will get my material together.

01:22:25Marc:You get your tickets.

01:22:26Marc:I can't fucking talk.

01:22:27Marc:Jesus Christ.

01:22:29Marc:Maybe I can play a little three-chord guitar for a minute and we'll get out of here.

01:22:34Thank you.

01:23:25Marc:Boomer lives!