BONUS Farewell to The Full Maron
Thank you.
Guest:So, Mark, this is the last time we're doing a bonus episode for the full Marin feed.
Guest:Frankly, the full Marin feed doesn't exist anymore.
Guest:We're now on Supercast and everyone who has a subscription is getting this.
Guest:This is just to put a little punctuation on what we've been doing over the last three and a half years, really.
Marc:Yeah, it's crazy because I feel like I missed at least half of it.
Marc:Uh, you somehow at the beginning of this adventure, you were like, yeah, we'll just knock out this bonus stuff.
Marc:And then fairly quickly it became, uh, uh, you going like, I better do a show.
Guest:Well, you know, the other thing is I think sometimes we recorded something and you probably didn't differentiate between us talking on the phone and doing this.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so sometimes like I get, I guarantee we recorded bonus episodes that if I played it for you today, you'd be like, we did that.
Yeah.
Marc:I knew the idea of it, but I didn't know how it would really differentiate other than you talking to me from me talking in general.
Marc:I think it's better.
Marc:At least it gets you out there as the great broadcaster that you are.
Guest:I didn't love that part of it, to be frank.
Guest:uh but i did i did realize it was interesting this is actually an interesting thing to talk about is that it was really the first time since we did the show since we launched the show in in 2009 that i feel like we had to kind of poke our way around and feel feel out like something new like any other time we started a project whether it was a project that worked or not like we did that thing for vice that didn't work but like we did it or you did your sitcom that's
Guest:you know, a thing that went on for four years.
Guest:We did our book.
Guest:Like, these were all things that kind of had a way to do them.
Guest:Like, you know, people know how to make a TV show.
Guest:So you hire them and you do a TV show.
Guest:People know how to make and market a book.
Guest:So we made the book and people marketed it and sold it.
Guest:This was like, yeah, you guys, it's a bonus fee.
Guest:Do whatever you want.
Guest:In fact, so many people told us, oh, you don't have to do anything.
Guest:Just like open the mics and just talk for 20 minutes or whatever.
Guest:And like...
Guest:If you go back, and now everyone can go back, anyone listening to this has it in their subscription to go listen to all the bonus material we did.
Guest:If you listen to that stuff at the beginning, we were just trying to figure out what worked.
Guest:Because with that idea of, oh, it could be anything, to us, we were like, well, we already do the thing on the show.
Marc:And for someone like you, that's not the greatest instruction.
Marc:Because you're not just going to throw something up there.
Guest:That's right.
Marc:It's got to be a quality produced and have some depth or interest to it that is more than just yammering.
Guest:Yeah, well, I give credit to Yishai...
Guest:at uh a cast because he uh was the one that kind of sat down with me over the earlier weeks and months of doing this and looked at the um type of things that we were putting out there and was like can you kind of categorize these right like bonus episode mark on movies right bonus episode you know it was it became like
Guest:little segments of themselves as part of the bonus.
Guest:And that really kind of helped me focus and zero in on, okay, what, what can we do that like regularly iterates this bonus material?
Guest:So it's not just this smorgasbord, it's actual programmed material.
Marc:Reminds me of when we started doing the podcast, those would have all been segments of,
Marc:That's right.
Marc:On a radio show or a podcast as a way to kind of vary things up.
Marc:Because we definitely had at least my dad on movies and we definitely had segments.
Marc:So they're just like segments because our show doesn't work that way anymore.
Marc:But it's not an unusual way to go with it.
Guest:That's right.
Marc:Let's just talk about this thing.
Guest:and i guess people enjoyed it but i think it's also a way a lot of people seem to have figured out how to make money doing this at all was through a pay patreon bonus material structure for sure and and i feel like if you and i still like let's say let's say we were only maybe like five seven years into doing the podcast we still had a lot of like energy and forward momentum with it but we were coming up against the same market forces that we're encountering now
Guest:I think I would have moved us entirely to this type of model, right?
Guest:Like, you know, okay, we can have something out there available for people, but the ad structure is not going to work for us anymore.
Guest:So let's just move entirely to a subscription base.
Marc:And that would be like through Patreon?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Or what we're literally on right now, Supercast.
Guest:Like they, that's exactly what they do.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I guess we could have done that once we built the audience, but then it does, it diminishes the for everyone element.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, I think that it's more like if we were in a situation where we were up against like adapt or die, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, we had to either move to like, we're going to do a show on Wednesday and this is a...
Guest:Very long established show.
Guest:I mean, I'm not going to tiptoe around it.
Guest:It's bullseye, which is the sound of young America.
Guest:When we started doing this, Jesse Thorne show, Jesse and his entire operation over there.
Guest:Maximum fun are, you know, was one of the first podcast networks even before earwolf.
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:And you know, they have to, had to move to video.
Guest:They're doing video.
Guest:You're talking to Jimmy Pardo this week.
Guest:He's moved to video.
Guest:It's like, there's,
Guest:There are these concessions that people have to make in order to maintain the working situation that they want.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I just think, you know, we've said this several times.
Guest:It's not really worth going over again, but we just weren't willing to do that.
Guest:And I don't think we would have had to if we felt we could, you know.
Guest:fully be okay with the idea of like, now it's a subscription.
Marc:But all those, all those shows, most of them are still audio available.
Marc:And I think the interesting thing about that video model, even if you don't put a lot into it, is that there's no way that audio goes viral.
Marc:So in essence, these guys that do video in and of itself, it's a promotion of,
Marc:as well as a thing unto itself but it does promote the audio as well because i think most people i don't know how fucking most people have time to sit and watch everything on youtube they must be just listening to it yeah most of the time it's called it's considered second screen right they just throw it on in the background right and so it does the same thing but uh yeah it wasn't our it wasn't our thing
Guest:Well, I'll tell you, I mean, if there was ever kind of any proof needed that, you know, we were, we, we had sniffed out the trajectory of things.
Guest:It was, you know, basically what happened since we announced the end of the podcast and you started doing a lot of press primarily around your special coming out, but everything that popped was all video clips.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And also all of them, you know, had like, you know, not to diminish what we do, but it had a bigger reach in this.
Guest:Oh, for sure.
Guest:Well, and you know, frankly, I,
Guest:I mean, that's, again, going back to going to a subscription model.
Guest:Like, there's part of me that would have felt safe in that.
Guest:Like, for sure, I never would have gone on these mics on a regular basis if it was publicly available.
Guest:No way.
Guest:And the fact that, like, Chris and I did the show on Fridays, that was only for these folks.
Guest:Like, I did not want that for the world, right?
Guest:But, you know, the reality is...
Guest:For our even our regular show, the show we would do Mondays and Thursdays, part of what allowed that some success was not being under a white hot media spotlight all the time.
Guest:And in fact, times when it was, I would say the majority of those times were detrimental as opposed to helpful.
Marc:Well, yeah, you are always sort of hyper vigilant about that in that, yeah, it gave us a certain freedom because we weren't, you know, forced into the cultural dialogue every other day.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And having to, you know, accommodate not to anyone outside of us, but to be aware that this is what this is going to bring us.
Marc:And this is really not it diminishes the show when things are pulled out of context or reframed or just used for quick bait, which happens.
Guest:But sometimes flat out made it harder for us to book people, too.
Guest:We would lose entire client slates because somebody was pissed at how one person got handled.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Sam Elliott.
Marc:That's right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:If you're ever wondering why you never heard Sam Jackson or Viola Davis on this show, that's why.
Guest:Because the Sam Elliott episode went poorly for him in the press.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And that was so stupid.
Marc:It wasn't even on purpose.
Marc:No, I mean, it was frankly- A lot of times we protect people from that because it's not really our game to sandbag people, but I was done and I asked him that question.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:Yeah, no, that was one of those things where someone was-
Guest:this happens with my kid all the time.
Guest:Like he gets angry at himself for something and then starts yelling at us.
Guest:And we're like, dude, you're mad at you.
Guest:Like we didn't do it.
Guest:And that was exactly what happened there.
Guest:Like that publicist was just pissed off at, at that having happened on, on their watch.
Guest:And there was nothing that we could have done differently.
Guest:Just once it was out, there was out there, you know?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It was, it was pretty beautiful though.
Marc:And the funny thing was, is that wasn't an easy interview.
Marc:And I really had to dig to get him, you know, in a groove.
Marc:And I did.
Marc:It was a good interview.
Marc:It's about the best interview you're going to get with that guy.
Guest:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:And then out of nowhere, this curveball happens when I'm just trying to celebrate a new Western and he had a different idea about it.
Guest:Well, the hilarious thing about that curveball and his adamance about it is that he's some California beach bum.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I'm a cowboy and I know what the cowboys live like.
Marc:Like completely fucking, you know, assumed personality.
Yeah.
Guest:It is a very actor brain thing to do.
Guest:It is.
Guest:I did like, though, I like that this bonus feed has afforded us the opportunity to do some things that we never would have done on the main show.
Guest:But it was literally like a thing that was something we did anyway.
Guest:So why not let people hear it?
Guest:Like when we would get on the mics after you had a big guest in there or something.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The kind of debriefs that we used to do.
Guest:Like that was one of those things.
Guest:I started to think about it this way when kind of curating this bonus feed was like, treat this like you used to, what you used to love about DVDs.
Guest:Like when I, when, when I was younger and used to buy DVDs all the
Guest:time yeah there were there were just a plethora of cool things on there and it was like oh yeah i'm glad i got to see that i'm glad yeah the commentary is one thing but then also like an outtake reel or like you know oh they should they're going to show you just the cinematographers location scout videos you know things like that that was where i really started to enjoy putting this stuff together yeah it was good i think there was a moment there where i was we were considering or at least i
Marc:thought it would be easy to kind of get some video when people got here.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And just, you know, heading into the mics.
Marc:But I think ultimately it was just too much of a pain in the ass.
Marc:And it would have, you know, harshed the vibe a little bit.
Guest:Totally.
Marc:I do think that the vibe that we have so successfully curated and pretty consistently got was really because there was no...
Marc:kind of secondary media intrusion.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:You know, that the experience of, you know, walking to the garage from the house or, you know, having that conversation before getting on the mics, you know, outside of, you know, Ben Kingsley, which went terribly wrong.
Marc:And I don't know how we were talking about my lavender plants on the way in here.
Marc:Oh, I know how.
Yeah.
Marc:Liquid death.
Marc:Liquid death killed that one dead.
Marc:It was because I didn't have a proper glass.
Guest:Yeah, you made Sir Ben drink out of a cat mug.
Marc:Yeah, something.
Marc:What a fucking dick.
Marc:But, uh...
Marc:Yeah, I'm glad we never did that, because I think the unspoken thing about even the bonus stuff is that I think people underestimate those who take it for granted, underestimate the kind of intimacy and kind of vulnerability of audio.
Marc:And it's a delicate thing and it's something very real.
Marc:I mean, I noticed it the last time I talked to Terry Gross on Fresh Air and what makes her great and why that was such a jarring and interesting interview was because she was vulnerable and had very personal questions about her experience with grief that she was directing at me for her own sake, not for the listener.
Yeah.
Marc:And that was a rare departure for her.
Marc:And, you know, that can only happen here on audio.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, you know, that's part of the whole thing about creating this bonus material was where do I, you know, where do we look for stuff to use that's not undermining the show that we're currently doing?
Yeah.
Marc:Right.
Guest:And honestly, like the I mean, we we we actually had quite a bit of growth in the last several months.
Guest:Once we announced the end of the show, we got like a very large uptick of subscribers.
Guest:Really?
Guest:I think because people just wanted to get in on the show before it goes away and stuff they hadn't heard before.
Marc:And the other thing is a lot of people don't know about the show.
Marc:I mean, I see emails about that all the time.
Marc:I'm just getting on board.
Marc:I'm like, well, where the fuck were you?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And also another thing about the long, you know, kind of ramping down is a lot of people who are in and out listeners are like, so it's over on.
Marc:I'm like, no, we've got another month or whatever.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:A lot of people just because of the press assumed it was done.
Guest:yeah well i mean but that's the other thing it's like when we so to be perfectly transparent about this like and i i figure everyone who's listening to this kind of understands it that starting this bonus feed uh occurred when we uh started a hosting partnership with a cast and so it was you know part of the contractual terms that we did that we would um you know go to a cast for hosting for advertising and for bonus material so it was you
Guest:know contractually obligated to deliver this stuff and and we thought okay that's that if you know it's like that was like the beginning part of like try to adapt your show to a a changing landscape for podcasts so okay we we thought we'd do that and
Guest:And, you know, I think, like I said, you go back and listen to those early ones.
Guest:We were really trying to figure out what exactly this would be, how we would do it.
Guest:And it wasn't until I said I had this idea of having you get into wrestling that we brought in this huge influx of subscribers that really stayed there.
Guest:That level...
Guest:boosted us up and plateaued for quite a while.
Guest:And I, I did think at the time that this was going to be the future of what we did, that I would have to keep kind of reaching out to these subcultures.
Yeah.
Guest:Not just wrestlers like like now have Mark go to a furry convention or whatever, you know, like and I really was that what you just reacted to there is like, that's why I didn't.
Guest:I was like, no, that's not what we do.
Marc:It can be a lot of extra work.
Guest:It's not just extra work.
Guest:It's an entirely different thing.
Guest:It's like, it's not supplemental at that point.
Guest:It's parallel.
Marc:I would have had to like have interview people dressed as like gophers and have some guy sitting across from me in a bunny suit.
Yeah.
Guest:I do still think there's... I mean, it's always been amusing with you as a kind of befuddled straight man at weird things.
Guest:We used to do that at Break Room Live.
Guest:We'd go to conventions that were weird and just film that.
Guest:And you're always very good at that stuff.
Guest:But it isn't like...
Guest:it isn't your thing yeah it's like it's okay to like be funny at that once or twice but like you don't want to become that right yeah yeah mark at a chess tournament see that's the annoying thing though every one of those things that you mentioned i want to see all right like that would be good
Marc:him flipping over the board oh yeah yeah you what why do you keep clicking that thing yeah how'd you just fast in three moves what is this yeah i don't know man i i just the one thing i remember is that when that was part of the deal we were like yeah we'll just knock that out and it was like wow became a lot of material yeah yeah for sure i mean i don't want to say it was like the reason for burning out but it definitely didn't help
Marc:Well, for you specifically.
Guest:Yeah, I think so.
Marc:I mean, it was like a lot of extra lifting.
Marc:And for you and Chris to do that show, which sounds fun, and I think people enjoy it, and I think you guys had a good time.
Marc:But it's just, it is, because of the way you do things, it is another, it's like another whole episode's worth of work.
Guest:Oh, for sure.
Guest:And then doing, you know, and then including this Tuesday material, that's definitely the case.
Guest:And it's, you know, it's, it's,
Guest:I think part of it is that like, I go back, you don't, but I go back and listen to these things.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And like, it would drive me just absolutely fucking crazy if I didn't,
Guest:you know have in there what i need to have in there in fact there was a uh there was a thing we did once because like the a tuesday a thursday episode fell on uh christmas and so we were like ah this is not going to be an audience let's put something together and i put together a compilation of uh your parents yeah and your brother it was like mark's family all the all the times that we've had them on
Guest:And, you know, it wasn't every single one.
Guest:I tried to make it like have a little bit of an arc and a story.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And there was like I got it to a certain point and it was like, you know, all right, I got to stop working on this thing because it's it's you know, this is just supposed to be for a holiday that nobody's going to listen to this episode anyway.
Guest:And I left out.
Guest:I didn't go hunt down a clip that I thought of using.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I was like, it's fine.
Guest:I'll just play this.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I posted it and then I was listening to it and I was so fucking mad at myself that I didn't go get that clip because I was like, it's missing that thing, you know?
Guest:And then I literally went back in and reinserted it, you know?
Marc:Oh my God.
Guest:And so that's like a great example of like how my brain does not allow these things to just like be whatever.
Marc:Probably why you burned out before me.
Marc:It's amazing you didn't burn out at year four.
Guest:Well, I mean, I guess the reality of that, though, is that I can...
Guest:I can temper that stuff in ways that you can't, right?
Guest:Like, and I don't mean that in any way having to do with our personalities.
Guest:I just mean literally what my job is allows me to, if I'm feeling a certain way about something, I could just like deal with that on my own behind a computer screen, you know, editing something and, you know, work on it at my own pace or whatever.
Guest:You have to be on the mic.
Guest:You have to be the public person.
Guest:You have to sit across from someone and,
Guest:And put as much effort into that person as you did to the 1600 before.
Marc:Yeah, I think it's sort of different, too, because, you know, you were able to spend a lot more time with these conversations.
Marc:And yeah, the fact that I listen to very few of them and they're also clear in your mind because you spent hours with them.
Marc:It's a different type of exhaustion.
Marc:You know, my exhaustion is emotional and it's psychological and, and it becomes like, you know, getting it together and getting my head in the game to do these conversations at the level I do them.
Marc:Whereas yours, it's this sort of meticulous crafting of things that takes your repetition and, and constantly going back over things.
Marc:So you're, you're, you're engaging with it, you know, as somebody who's listening to it and what,
Marc:what the best listening experience would be.
Marc:And I'm just here going like, God damn it.
Marc:I hope they talk.
Marc:And then, and then, you know, trying to keep a hundred percent attention, which somehow I do.
Marc:It's kind of weird.
Marc:Even the ones that I don't think are as good.
Marc:It's not because I drifted.
Guest:Right.
Guest:No, no, no.
Guest:And, you know, also sometimes the ones you think are difficult, you know, you come away with, you know, maybe feeling more drained or feeling like, you know, you're not like invigorated by it.
Guest:You're like, you put in the work, right?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And a great example of that is yesterday.
Guest:I don't think, you know, you didn't say to me that was hard or that was difficult, but you said, you know, Chris Guest, he was a very soft-spoken guy and he was, you know, you just kind of stayed on him.
Guest:You said, I think I got something unique there.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I listened to that man.
Guest:And it was for me was like a runaway car.
Guest:Like I was like, this is great.
Guest:This is going a million places with this guy.
Guest:Like, and they were really interesting and you don't hear him talk about that stuff.
Guest:And I totally got his sensibility immediately.
Guest:Like was such a great way to have him be revealed that he is like this guy who thinks of everything in terms of music.
Guest:Like he said that he said, it's all music to me.
Guest:And it's like, like the, like once you hear it, once he said that it like everything locked in about him.
Guest:Oh God.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like all those improv movies, he's working with people like you're working with a band, you know, it was great.
Guest:And I, like I was,
Guest:I was so happy about that one, but I was like, I remembered back to last week that you weren't like the way you are sometimes where you're like, that was like super invigorating.
Guest:I was like, you know, it was a gangbusters conversation.
Guest:You were just like, this is good.
Guest:It's just he's reserved, you know?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, I think also because of your...
Marc:knowledge heading into these things of of what these guys haven't haven't said or or if you're a fan of them you know you've got it all sort of worked out in your brain kind of who they are based on their work so what i tend to react to more is emotional moments as opposed to like sometimes the key that unlocks their process like i remember when he said that and i thought it was interesting but it didn't make me cry
Marc:Right, right, right.
Guest:You know what I mean?
Guest:You know what one thing did make you do is you were like, you're making me feel better about myself because I see you validating my process.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That he talked about how to him, the thing that made me laugh the hardest in the whole talk was that he was like...
Guest:He was like, you know, what you do is different than like the room where everyone's, you know, sitting at a table eating their dinner and a guy comes out and is like, hey, what about freeways?
Guest:About all those freeways and all that traffic.
Guest:He's like, I'd rather take a bullet.
Guest:Just execute me.
Guest:And it was like that idea that he lives for the moment, that he lives for the thing to happen and then maybe never happen again was so cool.
Guest:And I think another thing for this show, and it's also why every now and then it's been nice to get on this microphone with you and talk about it and let people know about our process with this.
Guest:It's like we are still at the core, two people who'd started this show because of comedy.
Guest:you a comedian yourself with comedian peers and me as a fan of it and as a person who always working with you thought this is a great vehicle for comedy and so I still to this day we're 16 years in and you have a guy on who's you know got deep deep footprints in comedy and he's talking about like what it really is like the meaningfulness of it I thought that was great
Marc:Yeah, and then the backstory on I Used to Know Every Nut.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:He was just driving.
Marc:He started thinking about nuts.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I think he was in a good zone with being real with me.
Marc:But you do feel like, not quite like Will Ferrell, but you know that he could be funny as fuck at any turn.
Yeah.
Guest:Well, there's this famous quote about him in the Live from New York book, the oral history of Saturday Night Live, which I have memorized from front to back.
Guest:And I didn't mention this to you leading up to it.
Guest:I think in the notes I gave you, I was trying to kind of elide it too.
Guest:I was being elliptical about it that he can sometimes be very...
Guest:difficult as an interview subject but a lot of that's when you're peppering him with q a questions and that he just doesn't he doesn't play on that mode with you you know it seems like he wants to talk about music and he went like i was trying to just kind of put your mind at ease but also wanted to kind of put that germ out there that like he can be tough like right and i remember this quote from that book that was one of the writers that was there at the time and they were like he is impossible
Marc:Oh, really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They were like, he is an emotional desert.
Guest:He will never break his deadpan under penalty of death.
Guest:Like you just can't get anywhere with the guy.
Guest:And that makes an impossibility when you're trying to write like collaborative comedy.
Guest:So like, yeah, I think it's a unique thing with him.
Guest:to have that conversation i didn't have that problem at all no it definitely didn't seem like that in fact at the end of the conversation he kind of alluded to the fact that he thought that maybe it would be difficult to have this type of conversation with you like the way he phrased it was you're a person who's very passionate about things and the way i read that was him saying i always thought you were going to sit here and just pepper me with questions about the stuff that i've done
Guest:And I don't like doing that.
Guest:It's very clear that the few times you asked him directly about something that he's made were the minimal answers that he gave.
Marc:Sure, I didn't watch it, or I don't know.
Guest:Yeah, right, right.
Guest:But the more effusive answers he gave, the more detailed answers were about his thoughts.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Tying flies.
Marc:He's got a whole station, like right across from his music station.
Marc:He's got the fly tying station.
Marc:Just picturing that guy going back and forth between doing stuff on his music and then like going over there with the feathers, kind of making it fly.
Marc:It's too much.
Yeah.
Guest:Well, it's interesting.
Guest:We have sat here and done the thing that we've done, that we do when we talk.
Guest:We just talk about stuff that had to do with the show, and this is why we put some of this stuff on the bonus material.
Guest:I would say, though, if people are new to this, especially because...
Guest:you know, there are a lot of people who just had the subscription to the archives and now part of the archives that you're getting are all the bonus episodes.
Guest:If you're interested in going back, I mean, for sure, go back and listen to them all at once.
Guest:I would just say, personally, I would recommend the series that we did as three parts back in the end of 2022 into 2023 of A Look Back at Morning Sedition, the show that Mark and I did at Air America Radio.
Marc:I'm so glad we had that stuff, you know, because some of it, I mean, the amount of work we put into it and the production we put into that, like, it's kind of amazing.
Marc:Some of it holds up, but also it was this other world of a bunch of very focused people overworking.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, for real.
Guest:I mean, I think it's just it's what kind of, you know, imprinted the work ethic that you and I have as a partnership and collaborators.
Guest:We got it started there.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But also we were like doing a fire sign theater album every day.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's just like was crazy.
Yeah.
Guest:Well, we haven't made a big deal about when the end of the show is yet.
Guest:I think mostly because we don't want the on-air part to become like a countdown.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:At least I don't.
Guest:And I think, you know, I had it marked on my calendar that we would announce on the show next Monday when the last date would be because, you know, it just felt like that gave everybody enough time.
Guest:I think for but I don't think there's any reason for it to be a secret.
Guest:And we could just tell people here because you subscribe to this that we do have October 13th marked as the final episode of the show.
Guest:So, you know, publicly, we'll start a kind of two week announcement next week on the air.
Guest:But just so you know it here, you've got time to prepare and and, you know, just enjoy what we've still got to come for you.
Marc:Yeah, well, it's been a great ride, all of it.
Marc:Bonus and for the people.
Guest:Yeah, for sure.
Guest:And thanks to everybody who's still here on the subscription.
Guest:I hope you get a lot out of it.
Guest:I hope you realize that, you know, it's something that's there for you whenever you want it, and you just go dial up any of these thousands of episodes and enjoy yourself.
Marc:Yeah, I might listen to some.
Guest:Oh, well, that'll be big.
Yeah.