BONUS Marc on Movies - The Maronography
Guest:so hey uh mark how's it going i'm good man i'm just uh i'm very excited about this new monitor i have it's crazy it look you look like you're on a hd tv to me i'm in movies i'm in movies right now you are in the
Guest:Movie on my Zoom, correct?
Guest:And then the whole reason we're talking to each other today is because we're going to do something new.
Guest:We'll do this regularly.
Guest:I just thought it's very appropriate when you have a guest on, a lot of times you go through their filmography, the things they've done and made.
Guest:And I just think sometimes I want to hear more from you about those movies.
Guest:You sit and watch so many of them.
Guest:You've seen them in your life.
Guest:We should just go through the filmography.
Guest:But today...
Guest:We have a filmography here to go through.
Guest:The Marinography?
Guest:Marinography.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yes, because this is also the week that the DC League of Super Pets came out.
Marc:They are giving me no love in the promos on that thing.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:I don't think so.
Marc:Did you see it yet?
Marc:Do you see a cut of it?
Marc:No.
Marc:They underplayed it so much that the premiere sounded like a charity event.
Marc:That I didn't have to go to if I didn't want to.
Marc:They were like, yeah, you know, it's sort of a light launch.
Marc:I don't even know if there's going to be a red carpet, but it's a benefit.
Marc:And I was like, well, I got to leave the next day.
Marc:So if you're not going to make a big deal out of it, I won't come.
Guest:Well, we could start at the back then.
Guest:Let's start at the very latest thing on your filmography, which is DC League of Super Pets.
Guest:How much work did you do for that?
Guest:Do you remember how much you recorded?
Marc:Well, I had to shave my head for Lex Luthor.
Guest:You don't want that hair brushing up against the microphone.
Marc:Yeah, they said it was probably going a little far, but I'm like, I want to get into this.
Marc:So I wore a suit and shaved my head, and it was just me in the sound booth.
Marc:But...
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Like with these animated things, I don't think I have a sense of how big they're going to get or be like with the DC super pets.
Marc:I swear to God.
Marc:And you, you work with me all the time.
Marc:So you know that I'm kind of weirdly half out to lunch around, you know, what I need to do and what, what the, you know, what I'm really doing.
Marc:It's just day to day.
Marc:And I thought it was like some sort of cartoon on the, on a cartoon network or something.
Marc:I'm like, it's DC super.
Marc:You just got to be Lex Luthor.
Marc:It's about dogs and, and that, and superhero pets.
Marc:I'm like, all right.
Marc:Like,
Marc:And I just approached it like that.
Marc:I'd go to the sound booth.
Marc:It was in Burbank.
Marc:And they'd have the people from the production on there.
Marc:And I was just sort of like, well, this is cute.
Marc:We're all doing a little TV show or whatever.
Marc:And then how much did you record?
Marc:Well, I feel like it feels like it was maybe four or five times going over there.
Marc:Like they'd call me back.
Marc:It was a lot less than I think the bad guys because I was in that whole movie.
Marc:I don't know how big my part is in the Super Prats.
Marc:Did you see it?
Guest:I haven't, and so I'm a little negligent in talking about this, but if I had to guess, because there's you and a lot of other named celebrities playing the human superheroes, and if I had to guess, they're all relatively cameo-sized roles, right?
Guest:Like, the premise of the movie is about the animals, right?
Guest:And the humans are, like, the side characters, right?
Guest:And so if I had to guess, all the human roles, except for Krasinski and I guess Keanu Reeves' Superman and Batman, the human roles seem pretty small.
Marc:Yeah, I guess so.
Marc:I just, you know, I know that, you know, I had some things that were evil and...
Marc:I can't even remember.
Marc:I had a dog in the jail and then something happened.
Marc:I know I'm the bad guy.
Guest:You're talking about this just like Michael Keaton today.
Guest:I just saw somebody asked him about did he watch the latest Spider-Man movie?
Guest:Because he was in a Spider-Man like four Spider-Mans ago.
Guest:He played the bad guy, the vulture.
Guest:And he goes, I don't got time for that stuff.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Have you ever watched any of them that you've been in?
Guest:He goes, no, I never finished it.
Marc:Yeah, well, it's weird when you do animation because it's broken up.
Marc:There were definitely scenes where I knew I was being, I had confrontations with the good guys in the back, but I can't really remember.
Marc:I'd have to watch it because you do it in bits and pieces, so it's almost impossible to figure out how it all comes together.
Marc:Yeah, I do know that, you know, there was some double cross and there was, you know, it was cute, fun.
Marc:Lex Luthor stuff, but I don't really.
Marc:And also it's what been a couple of years, probably since I started.
Marc:I know it was during the pandemic.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It was definitely one of those scary kind of like, you know, like, OK, you're coming down here.
Marc:No one's going to touch anything.
Marc:It's just going to be you and, you know, a frightened person that lets you in and everybody else will be piped in somehow.
Yeah.
Marc:But it was a lot lower key than the bad guys.
Guest:Well, you actually had to do stuff with Sam Rockwell on the bad guys, right?
Guest:Like you guys could actually do it together.
Marc:It was sort of a choice.
Marc:You know, they asked us if we wanted to.
Marc:And we were like, of course.
Marc:I mean, if we can do that.
Guest:And it seemed like they kept in the film stuff that you guys just riffed.
Guest:Like the opening and closing scenes with you and him kind of doing like Pulp Fiction style banter in the diner.
Guest:That didn't seem scripted.
Marc:Yeah, some of that was rift and some of it was from many takes.
Marc:But that was a much longer process.
Marc:And again, throughout the arc of that movie, I think a lot of the action in DC Super Pets is between the dogs and the owners or what have you.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And then there was a sub-evil person.
Marc:I think she was a guinea pig maybe.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, I think you're in two movies with evil guinea pigs.
Marc:Yeah, a lot of evil guinea pigs.
Marc:A lot of guinea pigs in Bad Guys.
Marc:But that was a much more extensive process, and we really had to focus on the relationship between me and the wolf, between the snake and wolf.
Marc:So me and Rockwell, who knew each other before, had somewhat of an emotional connection.
Marc:But yeah, whenever we could, we'd do it together.
Marc:And we did do it together, I'd say at least twice in a studio.
Marc:And then we did it together once on Zoom.
Marc:And I think it definitely added to it because it's a sterile experience.
Marc:To record animation because you're not even reading with the other people, really.
Marc:You're reading with a director or producer and you're doing several takes on things.
Marc:So everything's taken out of the context of interacting with the characters that you're on screen with.
Marc:But with bad guys, there was a lot of us together.
Guest:Well, this marks two movies in the calendar year that you're in that opened at number one.
Guest:That's pretty cool.
Guest:You're in the number one movie twice in one year.
Guest:That's pretty good.
Guest:Yeah, and it only took almost 30 years.
Guest:29 years ago are the first credits on your IMDb.
Guest:Were they comedy credits?
Guest:No, I'm actually not including any of your comedy specials or any of your guest appearances on Conan or anything like that.
Guest:The first thing on here is the host of Short Attention Span Theater.
Guest:That was 1993.
Marc:That's terrible.
Guest:How long did you do it?
Guest:Because that's the only thing it doesn't list.
Guest:How long?
Marc:A year.
Marc:A year.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:I think it was a year.
Marc:Could it have been two years?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I think it was a year.
Marc:And it was on all week, man.
Marc:It was on five days a week, I think.
Marc:And when I got the gig, it was really tough.
Marc:difficult for me because at that time I was really thinking I was like an edgy kind of angry comic you know doing the thing and you know but I wasn't getting work anywhere and I just moved to I believe I just moved to San Francisco not long before that so that was yeah I'd run out of New York because I wasn't getting work so I ended up in San Francisco and then out of nowhere I get pulled back to New York to do this gig and I couldn't I really
Marc:I could not find a reason not to do it, because I wasn't making money as a stand-up, but it was the antithesis of a job I wanted to do, which was Throat Eclipse.
Marc:And that whole thing was promotional clips.
Marc:Well, I'll explain it to you.
Marc:Robert Small, he gets this idea.
Marc:This is the last incarnation of Short Attention Span Theater, which was created...
Marc:with Jon Stewart and Patty Rossboro.
Marc:So my nemesis at the time, my Bette Noire, the guy I couldn't stand the most, you know, I was the last stop of this show that he created.
Marc:So I go to this office where they're shooting it, and there's just pictures of him all over the place.
Marc:There's Jon Stewart's everywhere.
Marc:And it was like, oh, my God.
Marc:It was just the hallway was like the Jon Stewart cavern of horrors.
Marc:And...
Guest:that I have to walk through every day.
Guest:That was initially what they were going to call the problem with Jon Stewart.
Guest:It was called the Jon Stewart Cavalry of Horrors.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, God.
Marc:So I get there, and they hired this writer.
Marc:I remember this guy, this poor guy.
Marc:you know and and like i'm i know i'm i'm a comic and i and i and i know that i have a point of view kind of i'm angry anyways and i was such an to everybody on that set because i was so frustrated to be there i had to read prompter the set was stupid the premise was it was in the vault of comedy central and there was an elevator a fake elevator i'd come in i'd they'd start the show with me in the elevator with the elevator operator the original one was frank santarelli a comic i knew i remember casting the elevator operator
Marc:And then there was a couple of guys who we looked at, you see them in movies.
Marc:One of them played, he was a baby-faced Nelson or somebody in a gangster movie.
Marc:You remember that guy?
Marc:He was in a lot of movies, a New York guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Are you talking about the guy who's baby-faced Nelson in Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Yeah, I'm forgetting his name, but he was on a TV show, The Practice, for a while.
Marc:He auditioned for the guy.
Marc:There was another guy, Max, who was also another actor that you would see around.
Marc:And that was the first time I realized, like, geez, you could kind of get anybody if they got time.
Marc:And they'll do it for the money.
Marc:So that was the premise.
Marc:I'd come down the elevator, me and Frank would talk a bit in the elevator, have a bit, and then I'd come out and do the thing.
Marc:I can't remember if the elevator was added or not because I was so livid.
Marc:I have video of the first four of those.
Marc:And I didn't want to cut my hair.
Marc:I was really trying to hold on to who I was.
Marc:And I just remember the writer, this guy, Danny.
Marc:I think his name was Danny Aronson.
Marc:Not that it matters.
Marc:But he was writing these just throws to clips.
Marc:And these were all promotional clips.
Marc:So they're building this show out of crap that is sent for promotional reasons to Comedy Central that we can use.
Guest:And that was a big thing back then.
Guest:People who are younger might not understand that to fill time on basic cable, whether it's Comedy Central or E. I remember E used to do it with movie trailers.
Guest:Or Talk Soup is a great example.
Guest:Talk Soup was invented for that reason with Greg Kinnear.
Guest:And it was a way to fill half hour that you could then replay throughout the day where you're just using clips you didn't pay for.
Marc:You didn't have to license anything.
Marc:But the first four episodes, it's painful to watch.
Marc:I'm just standing there.
Marc:Somehow or another, some people can read prompter.
Marc:I can.
Marc:I'm okay at it.
Marc:But this guy was writing these things.
Marc:I just remember a throw to a clip.
Marc:I said, here's a pithy python pear.
Marc:Oof.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I was like...
Marc:And I was like, no.
Marc:I was like losing it.
Marc:After I'd be like, here's a pithy Python.
Marc:You gotta be fucking kidding me.
Marc:That's what we're doing?
Marc:Where's Danny?
Marc:Where's Danny?
Marc:That's the best way.
Marc:What the fuck is this?
Guest:Alliterative poetry?
Guest:It's like every day you were that Casey Kasem outtake reel.
Marc:For sure, dude.
Marc:I was losing my mind.
Marc:And I was miserable.
Marc:But ultimately, it was a lesson to be learned because I was like, you've got to get me a real writer.
Marc:I'm a comic.
Marc:I need there to be desk pieces.
Marc:I need there to be bits.
Marc:I need there to be jokes.
Marc:This is fucking ridiculous.
Marc:It's fucking ridiculous.
Marc:And that poor guy, Danny, like he lasted a month and I got, they fired him.
Marc:Well, it was just, you know, I just needed a real comedy writer because like, I didn't want him to be a fool.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So they pull Groff in.
Marc:So that's Jonathan Groff's first writing job.
Marc:And he goes on to be the head writer of Conan.
Marc:Todd Berry wrote for me for a minute.
Marc:So the benefits of that is that, you know, Groff and I did get some good desk pieces.
Marc:There were funny moments.
Marc:You know, it did get me in at Comedy Central at that time because I was just in Montreal.
Marc:The first time I went there, you know, it was in 95.
Marc:And I guess I was still working.
Marc:for Comedy Central in some degree, because I was the man with the mic up there, you know, unless it was earlier.
Marc:When was Comedy Central, when was Short Attention Spend, 92, 93?
Marc:93, yeah.
Marc:Yeah, it might have actually been that early.
Marc:Gee, I don't know, but...
Marc:But I was that guy sometimes, the guy with the mic.
Marc:To me, it was antithetical to doing stand-up, and that really rubbed me the wrong way.
Marc:Not unlike the same sort of situation when we started the podcast, where I'm like, no one's going to know me for my stand-up.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And ultimately, everything started to blend.
Marc:But it was the same feeling.
Marc:It's like, I'm not going to be the stand-up I want to be if people know me from this.
Marc:But ultimately, I sucked it up.
Marc:I made my first real money.
Marc:I got my SAG card.
Marc:I got some skills.
Marc:And it got me back to New York.
Marc:I was commuting, dude, to San Francisco every week, every other week.
Marc:Because my girlfriend, who became my first wife,
Marc:was living out there and I'd moved out there and I just had them fly me back and forth every other week.
Marc:I'd fly in on Tuesday, we'd do a read, table read, we'd shoot, we'd strip show, it was a strip show, so we'd shoot four on Wednesday and then I'd cut out and I'd go back to San Francisco and come back and do comedy and do whatever and come back the following week.
Marc:It was crazy.
Guest:well and so the the next thing that's on your uh imdb not including your deleted scene in the mighty ducks 2 the angry the angry valet the valet yeah who is scaring the ducks which i guess you got that job uh just through steve brill was that with that that was the way i got my yeah i guess with short attendance span i got my
Marc:my uh after coverage and SAG was separate so Steve was basically doing me a favor to get me Taff Hartleed into SAG and uh and he thought I could handle that I was so sweaty and nervous it was so stupid fucking all the moving parts of that thing but I have a copy of that somewhere
Guest:Oh, that's awesome.
Guest:Well, and then it says here you were doing some episodes of Dr. Katz, which was 96.
Guest:Did that just kind of, was that the kind of thing where they just went to anyone within the comedy community and had them do bits of their act?
Guest:Well, I don't know.
Marc:Jonathan had a like, yeah, you know, and I knew Jonathan from, you know, when I started up in Boston, you know, and I, you know, and I knew his act and I'd see him around.
Marc:So we were peers and, and yeah, it was on Comedy Central and,
Marc:And eventually, you know, the invitation comes around.
Marc:You know, it was one of those things where you could move through, where, you know, all comics ended up doing it.
Marc:And we did, there was a bunch of shoots, too, you know, for stand-up stand-up.
Marc:You know, that Comedy Central would do, you know, for those segments that Laura used to throw to, or Wally Collins.
Marc:Oh, right.
Marc:You know, they'd have shoots for that.
Marc:You know, where they just load up with a lot of us and have bits and pieces of our act, you know.
Marc:But yeah, what Katz was like, they did that at a studio up in Newton, I think it was up in Mass.
Marc:It was great.
Marc:Again, it was a booth thing and you do bits and Jonathan would do his, uh-huh, yeah.
Marc:Okay, I think time's up, whatever, his stuff.
Marc:And those were fun, but I think I did two of those.
Guest:Two, yeah.
Guest:So they didn't put you on video for that.
Guest:Like any of the squiggle vision, it wasn't like rotoscoped, right?
Guest:They just drew you the way they wanted to.
Marc:No, no, it was all done after.
Marc:You'd just go up there and record and you'd have conversation, bits and pieces of conversation, and you'd do the bits.
Marc:And it wasn't a long day.
Guest:Well, then, speaking of doing stuff with comics, the next three things on your list here are movies that you made with other comics.
Guest:In 97 was Who's the Caboose was a movie Sam Seder shot.
Guest:Then Los Enchiladas in 99 was Mitch Hedberg's movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then there's another one Sam made, A Bad Situationist,
Guest:which was filmed in 2000 and 2001, but he didn't release it until 2008, ostensibly because of 9-11, because the end of the movie has a guy shooting a New York skyscraper, or trying to shoot one and failing.
Guest:Yeah, was that me?
Guest:Was that my character?
Guest:No, I think it was Sam's.
Guest:He played Joe Lieberman's son.
Marc:I played a Hasidic postal worker.
Guest:Yeah, you had some type of terroristic plot that you guys were hatching.
Marc:A Hasidic postal worker.
Marc:That was fun.
Marc:I did a good job in that.
Guest:Well, yeah, and so all of those, they seem like they're just things you made with friends, right?
Marc:But there's also that short stalker guilt syndrome.
Guest:Is that listed?
Guest:That came two years later, 2002.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Marc:Well, so, yeah, I mean, Sam, I think I played a manager.
Marc:in who's the caboose i think i was pretty funny i don't remember uh but yeah that was you know he asked me to do that i was like it was nice of him to ask me i mean that's long before him and i had a functioning dysfunctional relationship um and mitch you know yeah he asked me to do that and he flew us all out there to minneapolis or wherever the hell it's shot i think it was i think it was minnesota did you ever see it
Marc:Who, Los Angeles?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, I've seen it.
Marc:Is it any good?
Marc:Yeah, I have.
Marc:It's a, you know, it's a, I think it's a, I can't remember, is it black and white?
Marc:I don't think so.
Marc:It's okay, you know, it's odd, it's all, you know, driven by his humor, and he's in some, you know, him and another guy are doing a thing, and there's a restaurant, they work at a restaurant, Los Angeles, and I play a menu writer, which was kind of funny, because I'm hired to, you know, to describe the food, and there's a scene with me and the chef,
Marc:And I'm telling, you know, I'm kind of pitching him on dishes, you know.
Marc:And I am in the last scene in the movie.
Marc:I walk off into the sunset with this chef.
Marc:I just talked to a guy who's making a doc about Mitch.
Marc:And they've talked to everybody.
Marc:And they've talked to many of the people in that movie.
Marc:And, you know, you just can't really get it other than in a bootleg thing.
Marc:I wouldn't say it's a great movie, but I'm in it.
Marc:Atel's in it.
Marc:I think Todd's in it.
Marc:I think, like, there's a huge cast of us.
Marc:That were in it.
Marc:And it was kind of exciting because I'd never been flown somewhere to do a movie.
Marc:But it was a little budge and it was fun.
Marc:But they did it right.
Marc:They did it correctly.
Marc:And that was when he was with Jana before he became a mess.
Marc:And then, yeah, and the other one where I played the bad situation is that was the Hasidic guy.
Marc:I like that.
Marc:I like wearing the postal outfit and being mad.
Yeah.
Guest:Well, then the next thing on here is the big one.
Guest:You're almost famous.
Guest:I guess we would call that your big screen debut because you didn't make it to the big screen in the Mighty Ducks 2.
Guest:No, it's true.
Guest:And so this is, it comes out at the end of 2000.
Guest:When do you think you shot that?
Guest:Like end of 99, beginning 2000, something around there?
Marc:It feels like it might have been earlier, because I was with Kim.
Guest:Were you sober yet?
Guest:You're sober in 99.
Guest:I don't think I was quite sober yet, no.
Marc:I think they must have shot that in 98.
Marc:That makes sense.
Marc:Because I was still with Kim, because she was out there with me, and I don't know if I was a disaster, maybe.
Marc:I can't remember that timeline, but I don't remember being drunk, but I don't think I was sober yet, really.
Guest:But you probably were doing it.
Guest:You did well on the movie set.
Guest:It wasn't like you were.
Marc:Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, because she came with me to the set and did.
Marc:Cameron was very nice.
Marc:And everybody in the movie was very nice.
Marc:And, you know, I I you know, I wanted to, you know, kind of infuse myself into it.
Marc:And everybody was kind of walking around in character.
Marc:Crudup and Lee and Kozulik and the guy who played the drummer and Goldie Hawn's kid.
Marc:What's her name?
Marc:Kate Hudson.
Marc:Yeah, Kate Hudson was wandering around with her dog.
Marc:And everybody was sort of in period costume.
Marc:And once they got me out there and got me dressed up, we all kind of acted like we were those people.
Marc:And I didn't have a huge part.
Marc:And I think in retrospect, I was kind of, I was probably a little...
Marc:You know, but for as little screen time as I had, because I realized that when I did Joker with De Niro, like, I just realized I had one of those roles where, like, De Niro's not even going to register this.
Marc:I'm not even going to be, like, you know, De Niro, remember we worked together?
Marc:He'd be like, oh, yeah?
Marc:And then I'd tell him, and he'd go, like, yeah, I don't remember that.
Guest:So...
Guest:But as that being said, Billy Cruda remembered you very distinctly when you talked to him.
Guest:Now, I'm sure that's because he's watched the movie, you know, since then.
Marc:Well, I mean, it was a much more engaged thing, despite the fact that I didn't have that much screen time because of the way Cameron was shooting it.
Marc:You know, everyone was engaged.
Marc:I mean, there's like scenes of me.
Marc:I was on stage with those guys after it happens.
Marc:I brought them up.
Marc:There was a whole concert thing that was shot, you know.
Marc:So like I was in that world with them for a long time.
Marc:You know, but Cameron Crowe was like incredibly gracious.
Marc:And he, you know, he's directing this huge movie.
Marc:And I think we did.
Marc:We shoot in Arizona somewhere.
Marc:Or no, maybe it was down here at the stadium in L.A.
Marc:Yeah, it was supposed to be Arizona.
Marc:But he ate dinner with me and Kim.
Guest:let me direct the movie he's a bit part you know and then he was saying how'd you get it how'd you get i auditioned in new york oh and it was one of those things where they just like because there happens to be it's one of those movies everyone brings up that there happens to be a lot of people who went on to do things and quite a number of them like from either the comedy community or went on to be in comedic roles you know eric uh what's his name stone street from uh modern families oh
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember him.
Marc:He was like the guy at the hotel.
Marc:And then Hedberg's in there playing cards with Peter Frampton.
Marc:Yeah, Rainn Wilson.
Marc:Schwartzen, Rainn Wilson, Jimmy Fallon.
Marc:But who was the casting agent?
Marc:I think she was like this fixture in New York casting.
Marc:And I went in and then she had me come back.
Marc:I can't remember if there were two auditions.
Marc:But, you know, I came back and Cameron was in the room with the casting director.
Marc:And then, like, I riffed it.
Marc:I just riffed the bus thing.
Marc:And, you know, and he dug it.
Marc:And, like, he would walk around set after I'd do takes of yelling.
Marc:He'd go, you know, he'd go, we have to import this anger from New York.
Yeah.
Marc:But that was the great thing was it was such a party and everybody was hanging out and we're shooting all these things.
Marc:But when I actually chased the bus up the ramp so it can break through the gates, everyone had gone home.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Second unit all the way.
Marc:Just second unit me on a golf cart sucking in fucking bus fumes over and over again.
Guest:That's showbiz, baby.
Guest:I know.
Guest:Well, then that movie that you'd mentioned, that short, Stalker Guilt Syndrome, that is listed as a 2002.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:How did that happen?
Marc:He was a fan.
Marc:I think it was maybe through Luna or somewhere.
Marc:He was a fan of mine.
Marc:And, you know, he had this thing and he wrote it and, you know, and we shot it.
Marc:You know, people see it.
Marc:They used to see it.
Marc:It was smart because he just shot it and there's no talking in the movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And it's all voiceover in my head and there's like one line.
Guest:Which we then cribbed for a regular thing we used to do with you on Break Room Live where we would have you go out into your neighborhood with the camera in a POV position and then do your voiceover of it afterwards.
Guest:Like you at the laundromat or you at the butcher.
Marc:You remember that fucking website we put together for that show?
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:You would think it was like the biggest operation in the world.
Marc:There's thousands of dollars to put up hundreds of videos that no one ever looked at.
Guest:Well, what's interesting about that is that, so, you know, you go from Almost Famous to all the way to 2010.
Guest:There's scant stuff on your IMDb.
Marc:I've got a break.
Marc:I'm big.
Marc:You know, I got agents.
Marc:Nothing.
Marc:Zero.
Marc:bupkis well you get the nevermind the buzzcocks for five episodes in there boy another desperate fucking that was just like short attention span theater i'm broke only that time i was getting divorced broke and all this stuff like i couldn't make money doing stand-up because no one gave a shit about my stand-up and i was angry and didn't understand the game so there i was newly divorced
Marc:And broke, you know, and I needed money and I got this thing.
Marc:And it was one of those great things where people decide like, hey, he's got control over his crankiness.
Marc:He'd be perfect, kind of like snarky host.
Marc:And I'm like, no.
Marc:You know, and that was like a point, like I hired these writers.
Marc:Again, I was like, I got to do jokes, guys.
Marc:You got to give me jokes.
Guest:Oh, like Sean Conroy, was he one of your writers?
Marc:Yeah, and Metzger.
Guest:Kurt Metzger.
Marc:And that was one of the points of contention that led to the end of my second marriage.
Marc:Which was just I was just beginning my relationship with her around the time of Nevermind the Buzzcocks with Mishnah and she wanted me to hire as a writer and I just couldn't I couldn't do it.
Marc:Boy she she was like after we got divorced that was a point of contention no like she brought that up.
Marc:But anyway.
Guest:Wow, wow.
Marc:And so that hung around for multiple years.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:And I don't really know why I didn't.
Marc:I didn't know any better.
Marc:Conroy was.
Marc:Was he a writer?
Marc:I know he was on the show.
Marc:He was a regular guest.
Marc:The idea was there were two improvisers.
Marc:I think he was one of those.
Marc:Daphne somebody.
Marc:was the woman who was on there, who were regulars.
Marc:And then they'd just run through all the VH1 fucking second-tier celebrities.
Marc:You know, like Sebastian Bach, Coolio.
Marc:I don't even know.
Marc:The game was an improvisational game with bits.
Marc:I never quite understood it.
Marc:You didn't win anything.
Marc:And I never could wrap my brain around the game.
Marc:I know they got me some nice clothes and like the week of shooting, you know, I got diarrhea so bad.
Marc:Like I was so sick.
Marc:And I think it was all because of stress.
Marc:All because, you know, I got sick and I was emaciated and I was loopy.
Marc:And we shot like, I don't know, we shot a bunch of them, like maybe 12.
Marc:I got made a bunch of money, maybe like 75 Gs, which got me out of the toilet because I was tapped.
Marc:And I got all these suits.
Marc:And no one ever saw it.
Marc:You can't find it anywhere.
Marc:It was during that rebranding of VH1 that tanked.
Marc:It was me and Zach Galifianoodles.
Marc:They took all the people from Luna, right?
Marc:Well, there's... But Nevermind the Buzzcocks was a popular British show.
Marc:Right.
Marc:That they were redoing with me.
Marc:And I could not deal with it.
Marc:And I was no good at it.
Marc:But, you know, there was some funny jokes.
Marc:I remember...
Marc:There was a joke that was just terrible.
Marc:That was probably a Kurt joke.
Marc:It was like... Some of you remember the song by Dexy's Midnight Runners?
Marc:Come on, Irene.
Marc:But not many people remember the sequel song, which was Get Irene a Towel.
Marc:Dan Cronin and Sean Higgins are the credited writers on that.
Marc:Cronin, right.
Marc:Sean Higgins, that's them, yeah.
Marc:So it was Sean.
Marc:Yeah, I remember that guy.
Guest:And here were your panelists.
Guest:It was Dave Cross, Sebastian Bach, as you mentioned.
Marc:Matt, what's his name?
Marc:Was a regular.
Marc:Matt Price.
Marc:Matt Price, Sean Conroy, Daphne Soins.
Marc:Okay, go ahead.
Guest:Alex Borstein, apparently, was on there.
Guest:I bet you don't remember that.
Guest:Coolio.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Mo Rocca.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Lisa Lisa, like from Cult Jam.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:Burt Kreischer.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Gloria Gaynor.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:This is a really motley crew.
Guest:Yeah, that's about it.
Guest:Daphne Bogdan.
Guest:Daphne Bogdan.
Guest:That says she was the team captain.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:Brogdon.
Guest:Daphne Bogdan.
Marc:I remember.
Guest:Wow.
Marc:I think something might have happened between her and Coolio.
Marc:I'm not going to say anything, but I don't know.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:The only other thing in here in that 10-year period was, again, with Sam Seder.
Guest:He turned Who's the Caboose into a kind of television miniseries that I don't think made it to air until we got on Air America.
Guest:It was called Pilot Season.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Marc:Did I reprise?
Marc:Oh, no, I was just an angry comic at the bar with Ross Broccoli.
Guest:That was you in Who's the Caboose.
Guest:This says you were an agent named Mark Victor.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And you were, like, hiding from him in the toilet, I remember.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Again, probably just a thing you did for Sam, like, you know, for fun.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So you jump all the way to 2010, and then this is really interesting.
Guest:I wouldn't have noticed this unless I looked at your filmography.
Guest:For two years, which would be the initial two years of us doing the podcast, you were doing all voiceover work.
Guest:You did some episodes of The Life and Times of Tim, which was on HBO.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:You did Metalocalypse.
Marc:I was a rat.
Guest:No, no.
Guest:Life and Times of Tim, you were a human.
Guest:You were a rat on that Dupless brother thing called animals.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:I was happy to do that.
Marc:Life and Times of Tim.
Marc:That was funny.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And then what after Life and Times of Tim?
Guest:Metalocalypse.
Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Marc:I was like Hammersmith.
Guest:Magnus Hammersmith.
Marc:Magnus Hammersmith, the one who's no longer in the band.
Guest:Yeah, I think people still recognize you for that today.
Guest:That's got a fan base.
Guest:Same with Adventure Time, you doing that squirrel.
Guest:The squirrel, the non-flying squirrel, yeah.
Marc:and then what the hell are these i i have no idea what these even are there's something called g redford considers and you played g redford what was that was a weird short by a guy it was kind of an interesting thing about a film professor i think it was a short and uh but it was a it's a really interesting looking thing it was done with a type of animation that i'd never seen before and and i think i play a it's like collage style animation yes yes okay
Marc:And I play a film professor.
Marc:That was interesting.
Marc:And then there's a Noah's Ark cartoon with- Yeah, with Marie Bamford.
Marc:I don't think that ever went anywhere.
Marc:Who produced that?
Marc:Who was in charge of that?
Marc:Well, Jonathan Katz played God, so I'm wondering if he was- Yeah, but who was the guy who was making it?
Marc:I remember, who was the director?
Marc:It was someone I knew.
Marc:Yeah, I just remember those guys were around and they wanted comics and yeah.
Marc:Billiam Cornell?
Marc:Billiam Cornell was a comic, yeah, okay.
Marc:Yeah, he was a writer.
Marc:He was a funny comic back in the day.
Guest:The creator is Joel Levinson and Steven Levinson.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, okay, that's right, the two guys, yeah.
Guest:They look like they were Tonight Show guys.
Marc:Yeah, I mean, I don't think it ever got made, did it?
Guest:No, I don't think so.
Guest:So you just did what, just a pilot for that?
Guest:I guess so.
Guest:And so, yeah, that's all the way up to 2012.
Guest:And then the thing that I remember, like, oh, wow, Mark got in a movie.
Guest:And this was after doing the podcast for a couple years, was the Birbiglia movie, Sleepwalk With Me, where you essentially played a version of yourself.
Marc:Yeah, I guess.
Marc:I think that the... Yeah, that's true.
Marc:It was kind of me.
Marc:But I think it was more of a sort of... It's kind of you.
Guest:Your name is Mark Mulhern.
Marc:I think that was supposed to be you.
Marc:Mike.
Marc:Yeah, but that was one of those things where I'm like, you know...
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Yeah, I got to stop being, you know, you probably want, I don't know.
Marc:It's fine.
Marc:But yeah, I played the road guy, you know, the road comic.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And I think I did all right with that, you know.
Guest:well that was definitely though like i mean i i don't know if it felt this way for you but it felt like for me it was like like that when they when they released that film like you were in the trailer for it and there was you know like it was it definitely felt like oh there's things happening now from mark based on the podcast like the podcast i didn't want to say it but yeah i felt like that ira and mike were highly aware of the possibility of
Guest:uh synergy yeah but that seems that seems notable at the time like that it that it's the first thing that then that happens and then after that you look at your your credits and you know that's when you start doing marin and then you start getting a bunch of guest shots you've got a guest shot on louis you had a guest shot on uh uh girls and
Guest:Right.
Guest:And so, you know, that's all happening while you're shooting Marin on IFC.
Guest:And it's also all coinciding with the podcast going year to year and growing year to year.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Why?
Marc:The best thing that happened out of Sweet Walk with me was that story I tell about being an Aspen during the pandemic.
Marc:or Sundance, I was in Sundance for the premiere of it.
Marc:And I'm sitting there with Birbiglia, who I have weird issues with in terms of his ambition quota.
Marc:And they took me out to Sundance and I'm in the lobby of the hotel with him and he's just telling me this story about how he ran into Chris Rock on the street outside near Caroline's in New York.
Marc:And he approached him like just a peer, like a comic.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And he's like, hey, Chris.
Marc:And he's like, hey, how you doing?
Marc:What are you up to?
Marc:And Chris talks to him for a little while.
Marc:And it becomes clear to Mike that Chris doesn't know that he's a comic.
Marc:So Chris, from what I remember, Birbigli says, yeah, I'm a comedian.
Marc:He's like, oh, OK, well, great.
Marc:Well, good luck with it.
Marc:You're like, no idea.
Marc:No idea.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:So he tells me this story, and I found it kind of endearing, kind of funny, and I swear to God, within minutes...
Marc:Chris walks in to the lobby with his entourage.
Marc:He was there for a movie, so he's got Joyner with him and some other people.
Guest:And right when he walks in, I'm sitting on the couch with Birbigli and Chris goes, Maren!
Guest:And then he looks at Mike, nothing.
Marc:And Mike goes, Mike Birbigli, hey Mike, how you doing?
Marc:What's up Mike?
Marc:And I said to Mike, I said, you don't know how great that was for me.
Guest:One thing that can never be said is that you don't hide these things.
Guest:You didn't keep it in.
Guest:I should.
Guest:I know.
Guest:I should have.
Guest:It's like with Orny Adams and that article.
Guest:I'm like, that's the greatest article ever written about comedy.
Guest:He's like...
Guest:I think we have to address, there's a couple movies that were in here in this period, and it seems like it's around the same thing.
Guest:This podcast started to take off, and I think people started trying to get you into projects with the hope that some of the promotional juice from the podcast would rub off.
Guest:So there's a thing that people, I don't know if it can even be found now, called All Wifed Out.
Guest:where you played some guy without a mustache.
Guest:That's all I know about you in that movie.
Guest:Oh, I played the head of a company.
Marc:That's right, with the fat Jew.
Guest:The fat Jew vehicle.
Marc:That annoying fuck.
Guest:It starred him and what it says on the cover, the fat Jew, not his actual name.
Guest:And a basketball player.
Guest:Yeah, Metta World Peace is the guy's name.
Marc:Two ridiculous names.
Marc:The fat Jew and Metta World Peace.
Marc:Mark Maron.
Guest:And Eve.
Guest:That was the three things.
Guest:In fact, you met a world piece Eve and Marc Maron.
Marc:I don't know who was in charge of that thing.
Marc:All I know is that I shaved my mustache.
Guest:And what was the deal?
Guest:You just, again, it was like someone just reached out and was like, you want to be in a movie?
Marc:Yeah, it was an indie film and, you know, I wasn't getting a lot of offers and, you know.
Guest:It was a similar thing with that Chris D'Elia movie, A Flock of Dudes, which is around the same time.
Guest:It didn't come out until 2015.
Guest:D'Elia, Eric Andre.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah, that was Aaron Kaufman producing.
Marc:Pulled me in as the boss.
Guest:You got to keep your mustache in that one.
Marc:I did.
Marc:I did.
Guest:and there was also a movie around that time called that didn't come out for years later i don't ever think it got a real release we called get a job with anna kendrick that was a big cast yeah maybe miles teller even yeah miles teller and the pharaoh guy jay pharaoh yeah but there was more there was like a real big oh it was supposed to be a big comedy and it just nothing happened to it yeah i played a hotel manager
Guest:I should also point out these come up on your IMDB right at this time in your life.
Guest:You started doing music video stuff.
Guest:You were in the Nick Lowe music video of Sensitive Man.
Marc:Yeah, I don't remember how I got that gig.
Guest:I think that happened because he was on the show.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:It happened shortly after that.
Marc:Yeah, I was like the lead in that.
Marc:It was me, Tim Heidegger.
Marc:Tim Heidegger was like a guru.
Marc:Yeah, and that actress.
Guest:Maria Thayer.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:She was also did an episode of my show or two.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And, uh, and yeah, it was a, and, and there were like a bunch of little cameos throughout that video.
Guest:Like Robin Hitchcock is in it and, um, not on set with you, but they're like in a little, um, little boxes.
Guest:And then I did that Sharpling directed, uh, Sharpling did a video for the, um, postal service, like 10 year anniversary.
Marc:That's a very, that was a very funny cameo.
Marc:And then I did.
Guest:How did this thing happen that you doing the Bob Dylan, like a Rolling Stone video?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:You, weren't you part of that?
Guest:I was not.
Guest:No, it just happened.
Marc:Fuck.
Marc:I don't even remember, but that was like a big deal.
Marc:Like it was like, it was this montage of people singing.
Marc:I don't even remember what song.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like a Rolling Stone.
Guest:It was a, it was a, it was an interactive video.
Guest:You could go to the website and switch the channels on a TV and
Guest:And every channel you went to was synced up with the person on that channel doing the song, lip syncing the song to whatever moment it was at.
Guest:It was a big deal.
Guest:It was you and like the Pawn Stars and Drew Carey on The Price is Right.
Guest:All right, maybe it wasn't that big a deal.
Guest:I do remember, though, that it was for this huge Bob Dylan box set.
Guest:It was like 40 CDs of his music.
Marc:Yeah, because they did me in the podcast studio.
Marc:It was supposed to be moving through the environments that all these people were in.
Marc:So I imagine Drew was on set of Price is Right, right?
Marc:That's right.
Marc:So that is kind of a clever thing.
Marc:And the pawn shop guys are probably at the pawn shop.
Marc:I think I had... Ryan Singer.
Marc:Ryan Singer.
Marc:Ryan Singer was the guest, yeah.
Guest:It was like he was the guest on the show and you guys were talking.
Marc:Yeah, and we both were doing the lines, yeah, of like a Rolling Stone.
Guest:yeah i like that uh and so then okay so then now we get into the area where you were in some other well this uh indie movie called frank and cindy which is actually pretty good did you ever wind up watching that i did watch it yeah it's a it's a good movie jg ector camp is that yeah i don't know what happened to that guy it was about his dad his stepdad yeah i did okay with that i think i did okay he was a fan of mine and you know he worked for uh roger corman
Guest:Yeah, we had him on in the Corman episode that we did.
Guest:That's right, yeah.
Guest:I think he was doing one of the Death Race movies at the time.
Marc:That's right, that's right.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Yeah, but I think I did pretty good work, as good as I could have done in that.
Guest:And now this is shocking to me.
Guest:You did 14 episodes of the kids' cartoon show Harvey Beaks from 2015 to 2016.
Guest:I remember you doing that.
Guest:I didn't realize you were on it for like 14 episodes.
Guest:For Sony.
Marc:That was a crab.
Marc:That was a crab.
Guest:No, this isn't the crab, this is the raccoon.
Marc:You were a raccoon named Randall.
Marc:Oh, Jesus, that's right.
Marc:Yeah, I did a lot of those.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Again, it was just one of those things, like, you didn't even realize what you were doing, you just went and did it?
Marc:No, I knew that was, because I knew what that was.
Marc:I knew it was a TV series, and I knew, you know, that I was doing a lot of different episodes, and I knew each one had a story.
Marc:They weren't as secretive about stories and stuff.
Marc:You kind of, you know, you could read the whole script, and, you know, each one was a little, there were kids involved.
Marc:And, you know, there's... Yeah, I thought that was a pretty good gig.
Marc:That was at Nickelodeon, which is close to the house.
Guest:Well, I want to also... At this point on your IMDb, there's something we should correct the record on.
Guest:It says in 2015 that you are an uncredited character in Sharknado 3.
Guest:That is incorrect, right?
Guest:Yeah, unless they use something from the radio...
Guest:No, it's like you're listed with a name, like as a character.
Guest:I think it's one of those things where someone probably vaguely looked like you and someone entered, because you can enter things into IMDb without approval.
Marc:Yes, I'm being funny.
Marc:Nope.
Guest:I was not in Sharknado.
Guest:You were in Mike and Dave Need Wedding Dates.
Guest:They flew you out to Hawaii for that, which was nice.
Marc:For a day to play a bartender.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:A bartender not in Hawaii either, which is, that's the funny part.
Marc:Yeah, they were just shooting it down there.
Marc:My one day in Honolulu or wherever it was.
Marc:It was okay.
Guest:Yeah, and that was the same time you did that rat voice on Animals, which was also an HBO animated show.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You played yourself on Roadies, another Cameron Crowe gig.
Guest:Oh, yeah, that's right.
Marc:Yeah, I was going on before a band.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And one of the guys on the show, you were his sponsor.
Guest:Was that the plot?
Guest:That's right.
Marc:Yeah, I think one of the band members.
Guest:And then this is right around the time where you start doing episodes of Easy, the Joe Swanberg show.
Marc:Great.
Marc:Those are great.
Marc:Jacob Malko.
Guest:And then Glow.
Guest:Now, Glow, didn't Glow happen like right after Marin ended?
Guest:Like Marin ended on IFC and then you- I think that's right.
Guest:Shortly after you submitted.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, I have my trainer, who was also an actress, Amanda Carnero, read with me in my office.
Marc:And we put it on tape.
Marc:She read the Alison Brie part.
Marc:And I just sent a tape, a video.
Marc:It was a total video audition.
Marc:They weren't looking for me.
Marc:And it was Aaron at Avalon, I think, who championed that thing through.
Marc:I had an agent.
Marc:I don't remember how it all worked.
Marc:I don't want to take away credit, but I know Aaron was the one who found it.
Marc:But Genji was looking at people with the showrunners, and she saw me and just said, that's him.
Marc:That's him.
Marc:That's the guy.
Guest:Like, saw your video?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:They were out to Rob Lowe.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:That would have been a different show.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:That's wild.
Guest:That's what I mean.
Guest:And it's not just because, you know, I know you and I worked closely with you while you were doing that show.
Guest:It's one of those things where it's just this kind of like perfect synergy of character and actor like you.
Guest:You can't imagine anybody else in the part.
Guest:yeah and the weird thing about marin that i'm starting to realize lately i was going to text i was going to text right before we started to record this i get it's very hard to get marin and i don't i wonder if there's any way i can get it back well what's really crazy is that you talk about it as like this thing that happened in the past or whatever and and i'm looking at it through your imdb here you know glow you guys did that for three seasons and it's 28 episodes
Guest:There's 51 episodes of Marin.
Guest:That's a lot of TV.
Guest:You did it for four seasons and there's 51 episodes.
Guest:Is there 51?
Guest:That's what it says right here.
Guest:That's a lot.
Guest:Yeah, it really is.
Guest:It's a lot for Brad Pitt to watch three times.
Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, I, you know, I'm just so sad that it's really impossible to find that thing.
Marc:I think the only place you can get it is on iTunes.
Guest:You have to pay for it.
Guest:And only in America.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:It's just a weird thing.
Marc:It got lost in a transition.
Guest:The Fox Studios transition.
Marc:To Fox 21.
Guest:Don't you have management that can figure that out?
Marc:Yeah, it would be a project for somebody to kind of, because I had a bunch of money sitting around from international residuals and stuff.
Marc:That's the greatest thing, where it shows all around the world for a period of time, then all of a sudden you have to do forensic accounting.
Marc:And then they're like, no, here's a couple hundred grand that I didn't know I had.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:Well, we're getting into the end of the list here, which is mostly stuff you've talked about kind of at length on the podcast while you were shooting it like Joker and Stardust and Respect.
Guest:There's something on here called Duck Butter and you're a voice on it.
Guest:This is a movie with Kumail and Alia Shawkat.
Guest:And was that anything you remember doing or did they just use your audio from like a podcast episode or something?
Marc:Yeah, I don't remember doing that.
Marc:I don't even know what that is.
Guest:I bet you that's what it is.
Guest:It's like they, you know, licensed your voice from something and it's a Miguel Arteta movie.
Guest:Like it's not a nothing film.
Guest:You know, he's the guy who made The Good Girl and Youth in Revolt.
Marc:Oh yeah, I feel like it's a podcast.
Marc:Didn't they use the podcast on, or they used Sedition on Six Feet Under, didn't they?
Guest:Yes, the daughter, Lauren Ambrose's character, was driving around in the car listening to you on Air America.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:But yeah, the crab thing you're talking about is Archibald's next big thing.
Guest:That was in 2019.
Guest:Tony, what's his name?
Guest:That was Tony Hale's animated show that you did, a hermit crab.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:That was the same year you did an episode of The Simpsons playing yourself, which was kind of a monumental thing.
Guest:That is a monumental thing.
Guest:Totally.
Guest:That's cultural.
Guest:You're a part of the culture.
Guest:You're in The Simpsons as yourself.
Guest:And the podcast, it plays a plot role in the show.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, that was great.
Guest:They animated the garage.
Guest:They animated cats walking around.
Marc:I know.
Marc:So funny.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I interviewed Krusty.
Guest:Yeah, that was great.
Guest:We got to use the outtakes of you and Dan just doing some riffing as Krusty and you interviewing him like a real WTF.
Guest:That was great.
Guest:And then, yeah, now we get into the part of your life where now you're making movies.
Guest:When you get offers, you check things out.
Guest:And here you have Sword of Trust and Joker.
Guest:Those are both in the same year.
Guest:uh then you had uh in 2000 i think this was stuff you made all before the pandemic but it all came out in 2000 you had uh the spencer confidential stardust and then that part you did for worth which wound up being a voiceover um 2020 you mean
Guest:2020, right, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Sorry, yeah, this was all stuff made before the pandemic, but it came out in 2020.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Yeah, that's a big part in Stardust.
Marc:I did a good job with that.
Marc:And the thing, I got so mad at that fucking Worth thing.
Marc:Mad at the process of it?
Marc:All of it.
Marc:There's something fundamentally disrespectful about being just a day player as an actor.
Marc:I don't know why they brought me in.
Marc:I don't know whose idea it was.
Marc:The director didn't seem to give a shit or like me.
Marc:Michael Keaton was nice.
Marc:Maybe he brought me in.
Marc:I don't know who brought me in.
Marc:But I just feel like it could have gone to a day player in New York who was more like the character, was a sleazy lawyer.
Marc:I just didn't know why me, I had to sit there all fucking day in like a shitty suit in a quarter trailer, which is like a closet.
Marc:And it was like, it's just the fucking worst and just no respect to it.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:And then it got cut out.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And that's just the nature of acting, but it's not, I'm not, that's not my life.
Marc:You know, what I went through that day was the, you know, the life of a day player, which is not great, but that's the life they signed up for.
Marc:You know, I got too much ego for that shit.
Guest:Well, yeah, I mean, the last time you were on set of something, you were, you know, I think we pinpointed something that it's very hard for you to just be idle and not doing anything.
Guest:Like, at least when you're on Glow or your own show, you kind of go engage yourself with my own show.
Marc:There was never any downtime.
Marc:I was in every scene.
Guest:Right, right.
Marc:You know, and having other things to do is crazy.
Marc:And Glow, look, there was plenty of downtime, but I would just sit on set with everybody and, you know, I watched The Sopranos again, all of them during one season.
Marc:But it was just there were certain times where, yeah, where you just, you know, it's just part of it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But it's hard for me to be sedentary and I get impatient.
Marc:But, you know, and it happens on every set because I'm not the only one.
Marc:You know, eventually people are like, what the fuck is happening?
Yeah.
Marc:And it's what's always happening.
Marc:They're setting lights.
Guest:Who knows?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, and, and you, and you know, you, you have had enough experience doing this stuff too, that it's not like it's novel anymore.
Guest:Like, I think I asked you one time, like, well, has any of this been like exciting or good for you?
Guest:And you were like, nah, working with De Niro, that's about it.
Guest:Like, it's not like these, it's not like you had some desire to like, I got to be on movie sets or whatever.
Marc:Well, I mean, it's just really, you know, it's really relative to the part.
Marc:Like the thing about like respect was a real part.
Marc:And so like you have meaty scenes and you feel like you're doing something.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, it's not one exchange.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:Or you're not there for a second.
Marc:You know, you're like, you know, you're in a big operation and you're really shooting a scene or two.
Marc:You shot all that before the pandemic too, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, I'm hanging out in the studio with the guys, me and Marlon are fucking having laughs all day long on that set.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I love making that guy laugh.
Guest:Well, when you talk about those movies, though, like Joker and Respect, and to an extent, probably that Spencer Confidential, I'm guessing that had a good deal of money behind it.
Guest:When it's movies like that where there's money, do you feel like as an actor, it's just easier to do the work?
Guest:Or you're less likely to find yourself up against these kind of...
Guest:Indie film, low budget, gutting it out, nose to the grindstone.
Marc:I guess, but like, you know, there's something, they have less time.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So they're more efficient.
Marc:You're busier, you know, on one of those movies.
Marc:I guess that was the case with Two Leslie, right?
Marc:Like you were probably, especially because he was shooting that on film.
Marc:They shot that thing in like 19 days on film.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So there wasn't much waiting around, you know, and I was, you know, that was a nice part.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But I eventually got used to it.
Marc:It's like this is just part of it.
Marc:But I hate being in the trailers.
Marc:Trailers are always awful.
Marc:They're always awful.
Marc:The seat in there, the thing you lay on is vinyl usually.
Marc:The one for respect was this giant thing that I don't even think was all mine.
Marc:It looked like a house in there, like a badly decorated house.
Marc:That was probably for us.
Marc:Yeah, I think it was for us.
Guest:Really?
Marc:I was just making a joke.
Marc:No, no.
Marc:Yeah, it was a good one.
Marc:And I don't think it... Maybe I'm wrong.
Marc:But there was a lot of the waiting around there was on set, which was fine because we were on set.
Marc:We were in the studio.
Marc:We're doing takes with the music.
Marc:And I'm playing around with the musicians.
Marc:And there's a lot of people around.
Marc:It's fun.
Marc:You know, not a problem.
Marc:Not a lot of trailer time.
Marc:You know, mostly you're on set.
Marc:With Two Leslie, not a lot of trailer time, but, you know, a lot of shooting.
Marc:And with sort of trust, we're always going.
Guest:Always going.
Guest:Oh, man, that must have been, you probably were, you know, going out of necessity there because it was so hot.
Guest:The worst.
Marc:I was sticky and cranky and they couldn't get me the cereal I wanted and people were making fun of me.
Marc:Wait, what?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:All I wanted was some sort of cereal I was into because it made me feel like it honored some manner.
Marc:It was some brand-oriented situation.
Marc:I was just sort of like, you can't just get that?
Marc:And I wouldn't shut up about it.
Marc:And then I was cranky about the cereal.
Marc:I was cranky about the food in general.
Marc:And Shelton's shooting it.
Marc:She's like, I'm trying not to be a dick because we're hanging out.
Marc:She's making the movie for me.
Marc:And I'm like, how come I can't get the cereal?
Marc:It's ridiculous.
Guest:I gotta say, you know, especially because we work together the way we do now where we, you know, mostly remote, we talk over the phone, we do stuff like that.
Guest:But I have worked with you in your presence for long enough that now when you tell stories like that and I hear about you interacting with other people like that, I'm like, ah, yeah, that's great.
Guest:They got to go through that.
Guest:Oh, good.
Guest:Glad they got that part of the experience.
Yeah.
Guest:What do you mean you can't get me?
Guest:You just can't get me that?
Guest:That tone.
Guest:It's like that tone of you talking to Dan Pashman, you know, like, what are you doing?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Oh, good.
Guest:Oh, good.
Guest:You guys are working with Mark.
Guest:uh to leslie do you know anything about that when people are going to be able to see it i know it got a distributor yeah i haven't i don't know i don't know but i mean i guess they're gonna be able to soon yeah all right tell them on the show all right uh well there's that and you still have something in the pipeline this is that uh prime video uh series with bloomhouse uh horror oh yeah i just shot that
Guest:Yeah, and you're dead in it.
Guest:That's not a spoiler, right?
Guest:Like you're the guy who dies.
Marc:The first guy that dies.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:I don't know if it's a spoiler.
Marc:I can't wait till it comes out so I can tell that fucking the fake boner story.
Guest:I should tell it now.
Guest:I mean, that's a tease and a half.
Guest:Oh, God.
Guest:Did I tell you?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:You told me you had a fake boner that you had to put on.
Marc:Did I tell you about the French guy?
Marc:No.
Marc:Oh, dude.
Marc:So I'm in my underwear all day because she's a masseuse, right?
Marc:And she's a masseuse in the basement of this building that I own.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I'm thinking I'm going to get a happy ending and I'm the gentrifier.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:She kills me during a massage, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So it's in the script that I'm dead and I'm laying there and I got a stiffy.
Marc:So they had to fabricate something to have the tent in my underwear.
Marc:And I'm going, I'm free.
Marc:I didn't let them pack my underwear with balls and shit.
Marc:I'm like, this looks ridiculous.
Marc:It looked deformed.
Marc:You know, like because I'm wearing tighty whiteys.
Marc:I'm like, I'll just wait.
Marc:I got enough dick to pull this off.
Marc:The John Merrick package.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Well, it's just anything.
Marc:It's just like, you know, it's a it's like a it's like a cup.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:And it's another way.
Marc:I'm like, this is ridiculous.
Marc:I'll just I'll take the hit.
Marc:You know, I'll do it just with my own dick.
Marc:So they got to fabricate this boner.
Marc:So they made me, it's just like a foam thing.
Marc:It doesn't really look like a dick.
Marc:A little bit on top so they would get the ridges.
Marc:And they just want me to, it's a strap and it goes in.
Marc:But the thing, the shaft is coming up like from my taint.
Marc:It's just coming, sticking right up.
Marc:So they just want the tenting thing.
Marc:So I put it on.
Marc:And we do the shot and the director's like, it doesn't look right.
Marc:It's not tenting enough.
Marc:And I'm like, well, it's too low and there's no balls.
Marc:I mean, there's no balls.
Marc:And the thing is, it looks like it's coming out of my asshole.
Marc:There's no way it could look right.
Marc:And then I'm sitting there with the wardrobe guy.
Marc:Is he wardrobe or is he props?
Marc:Uh...
Marc:In this case, I hope he was promising.
Marc:It's got to be props, right?
Marc:So I'm like, look, dude, if I can pull it up so it's higher up in the underwear and we could pin it.
Marc:We had to roll up the strap it was on so it would pull the thing up.
Marc:And I said, if we have balls...
Marc:You know, it would look right, right?
Marc:So he's like, oh, the balls, yes.
Marc:So I pin it up so at least it's higher, right?
Marc:And we're going to do another shot.
Marc:So we do another shot.
Marc:And I tented it like differently.
Marc:It was up higher.
Marc:And then the director, everybody, they go cut and everyone's in there and the director's like, I think we got it.
Marc:I think we got it.
Marc:And then the French guy runs in and he's like, I need some balls.
Marc:I need some balls.
Marc:He had gone and made, like, he'd fabricated some little foam things, like, you know, it looked like one of those, you know those dolls where they use, like, a pantyhose and they punch you in the face, you know, to cover up, like, they, you know, if you put, like, a pantyhose over, like, a wad of cotton or something, you can... Oh, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, like a mush face.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right, right, right.
Marc:Well, he kind of did that with these two things that look like balls.
Marc:And he's holding them.
Marc:He's like, the balls.
Marc:And we're moving on.
Marc:And I'm like, dude, let me have them.
Marc:And I put them in.
Marc:I'm like, good job.
Marc:You did it in a pinch.
Marc:And it looks right.
Marc:But I'm sorry we didn't get to use them.
Guest:you validated his balls though that's all that needed to happen i did oh man he'll well he will use those balls i'm sure somewhere down the line yeah he like that was like you know he did that on the spot yeah they've got to be some that's got to be some kind of uh french uh crafting uh technique that he brought to yeah i don't know it just happened very quickly i felt so bad for me standing there with these fake balls
Guest:One quick question for you by just looking at your filmography here.
Guest:You're listed in the special thanks for quite a number of things, mostly where people need to thank you on like documentaries or things like that.
Guest:Wyatt Sinek put you in special thanks for his first comedy special.
Guest:Things like that.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, that's nice, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:There's also a special thanks to Marc Maron on a music video by a group called Ninja Sex Party for the video 6969.
Guest:Do you have any idea what that is?
Guest:No, but they're welcome.
Guest:For everything.
Guest:Those fine people.
Marc:Glad I could help out.
Guest:Well, we just I mean, that that was, you know, over an hour to go through your full filmography, which, you know, like I said, it's almost 30 years of of output now.
Guest:I think that I think we I hope we did it justice.
Marc:I feel like we did.
Marc:I'm just happy I'm one of those guys where people can look at and go like, what was he doing for that 10 years?
Guest:The gap.
Guest:We always talk about that in our interviews.
Guest:Like when we're doing research, like look, a gap.
Marc:That's the key.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Because that's like, that's where it is.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Whatever we're going to talk about, it's in the gap.
Guest:It's hilarious.
Guest:It's true for you too.
Guest:Like, it's like, what was going on in those 10 years?
Guest:You're like, nothing good.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I remember the first time I acknowledged the gap, it was with the Terry Gross research.
Guest:Yes, sure.
Marc:All right, so this is whatever happened between these years.
Guest:Yeah, and that's become a thing.
Guest:We both identify it now where you can look at somebody's life and go, well, there's not a lot of story going on here publicly, so that's where you want to delve in first.
Marc:Yeah, there's some stuff there that hasn't been talked about.
Guest:Well, it looks like we've talked about everything as it pertains to your career on the screen, both large and small.
Guest:And anytime something else comes up, we'll do this again.
Guest:And like I said, I think we should do it for people you have on the show.
Guest:And just if you start watching, sometimes every now and then you start doing that.
Guest:You watch like one director's work for a period of time.
Guest:We should hop on here and do a little Marin on film.
Guest:Yeah, I'm in.
Guest:All right, man.
Guest:All right.
Marc:Talk to you later, buddy.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Thank you.