BONUS The Friday Show - Maron 3:16
Marc:Austin just barrels in and immediately starts beating the shit out of Vince in bed, just slamming his head and then punching his broken leg and then throwing him down out of the bed and punching him some more.
Marc:And then, like, he hit him with a pan that I don't know.
Marc:Was that a bedpan?
Marc:It looked like a skillet.
Marc:I thought, like, where does the skillet come from?
Marc:But he hits him with the bedpan right on the head like a Three Stooges movie.
Marc:And then he...
Marc:He flips him over and I'm like, what the fuck's happening here?
Marc:And then he goes and gets the IV and I guess sticks the needle in his ass.
Guest:Welcome, wrestling fans, and every other fan who's listening to The Full Marin.
Guest:Thank you for being here.
Guest:I did just have to start it out like a regular wrestling introduction.
Guest:But this is for everyone.
Guest:Although we're definitely doing this because of all the new wrestling fans who are on board.
Guest:I'm Brendan McDonald, the producer of WTF, and I have recruited someone you have heard here on the Full Marin.
Guest:He is a dear friend of mine.
Guest:He goes back with me and Mark all the way to 2004 when we worked at Air America Radio.
Guest:It is Chris Lopresto, fellow wrestling fan.
Guest:Hello, Chris.
Guest:Hello, Brendan, and hello, listeners.
Guest:It's so nice to have you here.
Guest:And it's nice to have you here because, I mean, I could gladly talk wrestling into a mic by myself, but I'm very happy to do this with you here.
Guest:I think mostly because in my older age here, getting back into wrestling, you're really the person who I have done the most interaction with about wrestling.
Guest:So I think it's appropriate that we do this.
Guest:I must say, you are the expert when it comes to wrestling.
Guest:I am the, I would say casual fan.
Guest:I'm not.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:I don't know the ins and outs.
Guest:When I'm at a wrestling show or we're just watching wrestling, you're going to be like, oh, yeah, this is what's going to happen.
Guest:And it happens miraculously.
Guest:I don't know any of that shit.
Guest:But that's the key.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You sell yourself short, though, because you watch enough of this that you can kind of play out the storylines.
Guest:But I do think you are a good voice of a casual fan, as opposed to Marc Maron, who is a total novice, who we'll hear from shortly.
Guest:But yes, that's why we're doing this.
Guest:We're doing this because Mark and I did the Wrestling with Mark series here on the Full Marin.
Guest:And believe me, I promise you, we would have done a special movie, extra movie podcast.
Guest:We would have done an extra music podcast.
Guest:But none of those things that we put on the full Marin got thousands of new subscribers the way the wrestling content did.
Guest:So God bless all of you wrestling fans who came on board.
Guest:I love you.
Guest:I'm one of you.
Guest:Chris is happy to be here with you.
Guest:And we will continue to give you some extra content.
Guest:This is not replacing any of the stuff we already did.
Guest:It's literally like bonus of a bonus.
Guest:And so we will give you special Friday content.
Guest:As long as you still listen.
Guest:And here's the thing.
Guest:I am the producer of this show, so I have the power to cancel it, right?
Guest:And I had not told Chris this before he agreed to doing this.
Guest:I will cancel this straight out.
Guest:If we have fewer than one third of the full Marin subscriber base listening to this.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:A third is I think manageable, right?
Guest:If a third of you are into this because you like this content, great.
Guest:We'll keep doing it.
Guest:If it goes below that, I am out of here so fast.
Guest:it is i i i haven't had a chance to cancel a show in a very long time and i will cancel this can i just say uh yeah i'm kind of bummed that my michael clayton friends uh you know fans didn't subscribe in mass about your did not get on board yeah i wanted i wanted them i guess they're like in the street just uh handing out uh nice bread uh from their baskets
Guest:Like, it's so warm.
Guest:That's how you spot a Michael Clayton fan in the wild.
Guest:You just watch them with the handfuls of baguettes.
Guest:I'm telling you, one of these years, I'm going to dress up for that for Halloween and just surprise you and your family.
Guest:But like, you guys want bread?
Guest:You got to get that overcoat and everything.
Guest:That's a great costume.
Guest:We should just do a whole Michael Clayton theme costume.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And also, it's reverse trick or treat.
Guest:I'll be Brian Kopelman.
Guest:You can be Tom Wilkinson.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:I know Marin will want to get involved somehow.
Guest:He could be Sidney Pollack.
Guest:I think that's like his hero in the movie.
Guest:So, you know, he can do that.
Guest:Dawn can be Tilda Swinton just washing her armpits.
Guest:It'll be great.
Guest:Let's get this locked down.
Guest:Somebody will have to be the horses.
Yeah.
Guest:That'd be great.
Guest:Uh, so yeah, so we're, we're here for you.
Guest:As long as you want to listen, we're going to do wrestling content, but we're also going to do other things.
Guest:It's not just wrestling.
Guest:It's hanging out and we'll, we'll talk some movies.
Guest:We'll talk sports.
Guest:We'll talk trivia.
Guest:Chris and I are part of a couple of trivia leagues.
Guest:So, uh, you know, I don't think there'd be a problem with us whipping up some, uh, some questions to try to stump each other and you.
Guest:And, uh, if you want to reach out, uh, there is a form in the episode description, just
Guest:scroll on over to the episode description and whatever app you're listening to and just click on the link that's going to be the best way to stay in touch with us because uh you know we're kind of spread out all over social media and it's not a centralized place for me and chris and mark and if you email the show email it's just going to get stuffed into other show email stuff this is a good way for us to keep it all in one place just scroll down click that button
Guest:And you can send us wrestling questions.
Guest:You can tell us what you want us to be talking about when it comes to this stuff.
Guest:You can ask other questions.
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Guest:We're not taking your data.
Guest:We're just looking for you to stay in touch with us.
Guest:So you can do that.
Guest:You know, speaking of taking your data, Chris, I know I mentioned trivia.
Guest:And you were a big fan of HQ trivia.
Guest:Fan?
Guest:Champion?
Guest:Champion.
Guest:I am a HQ champion.
Guest:How much did you win?
Guest:$250.
Guest:$250.
Guest:And it was when it was at the time when like not a ton of people were doing it.
Guest:So yeah, like you, I think you won again later and won like what eight 50 or something.
Guest:Yup.
Guest:No, I, I, I won 50 cents.
Guest:50 cents.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:50 cents.
Guest:Oh, that was, that was doing, I was going down the drain.
Guest:Yeah, sadly.
Guest:So you were an early adapter of HQ Trivia.
Guest:I would never do it because I knew that they were just mining my data.
Guest:And now, if you want your data mined even more thoroughly by an expert data miner, TikTok has copied the HQ Trivia app and now just offers it as part of their platform.
Guest:Where it just copies it straight up?
Guest:It calls it HQ?
Guest:Yeah, it's basically like the same exact interface.
Guest:No, it's called, it's like TikTok trivia, but it works exactly the same way.
Guest:Does it happen at like 8 p.m., you know, whenever?
Guest:I didn't look into the actual time because I don't give a shit, but I definitely noticed that it was looking exactly like HQ trivia.
Guest:Oh, I'm so in on that.
Guest:Yeah, well, so are the Chinese.
Guest:They're very happy to hear you say that.
Guest:Those weather balloons were like plan C. The TikTok trivia, that's plan A. They know what's going on.
Guest:That's the smartest way to do it.
Guest:In fact, I'm sure they onboarded the TikTok trivia while we were all distracted by the air balloon.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Well, let's get into what we were going to do here.
Guest:And it's going to require our good friend Mark Maron to dial in, which he should be doing in a few seconds here.
Guest:And I just thought that a good way for us to introduce this Friday wrestling show was to have wrestling talk with me, a guy who has been deeply invested in this for a very long time.
Guest:Chris, a casual wrestling fan who got into wrestling when he was very young, left it for a while and is now back into it.
Guest:And then Mark Maron, who, as you all heard on Wrestling with Mark,
Guest:has just begun his wrestling journey, just starting to learn about it and seems open-minded about it as a form of entertainment.
Guest:And so I decided to send him some links of classic wrestling and I did not tell him what it was.
Guest:I did not tell him where it comes from.
Guest:I didn't tell him anything involved.
Guest:I literally just said, watch these two clips and sent him two YouTube links and he watched them.
Guest:And he will now tell us
Guest:What happened in those clips?
Guest:And we will see if classic wrestling, if it's done right and well, if it translates to someone like Marc Maron, who does not give a shit about it.
Guest:And I'm excited.
Guest:This could be a total flop.
Guest:It could fail.
Guest:He could be like, I don't know what this was.
Guest:What do you have me doing here?
Guest:And we may never have Marc's involvement in this show ever again.
Guest:So I'm hoping, fingers crossed, this is a success.
Marc:Mark Maron.
Marc:Yeah, I'm right here.
Marc:Hey, buddy.
Marc:This guy sets us up so mysterious we half expected you both to be in costume.
Guest:Well, Mark, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but did you know that the term Mark is used in wrestling?
Guest:Is it as a Mark, like a rube?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, yes, that's where it comes from.
Guest:But what it really has become to come to mean in terminology of wrestling is really just any fan who's into it.
Guest:Like if you, if you've bought in to the illusion, you're a Mark, right?
Guest:You're Mark fan.
Guest:So like,
Guest:a guy just in the crowd like cheering like yeah get him kill him that's a mark right and to become not a mark they the the term they call is you you need to get smart they need to smarten you up so that you know about the details so so i think this segment we will regularly call smartening mark this is this is to get mark uh smart to what's going on and what i did i i sent you some clips
Guest:of classic wrestling to watch and i want to see how well it translates um to someone who knows nothing about you have no idea what time frame that was from i didn't tell you like that the year the era who was popular who wasn't what what company was i didn't tell you anything i just said watch these and now what i would like you to do is tell me and chris what you watched well i mean i'm not a moron i know some of the people okay well go for it yeah well
Marc:In the first clip, what I saw was Vince McMahon was about to decide who was the winner between who was that Mick Foley?
Marc:Was it the Undertaker and another guy?
Marc:It was the Undertaker and another guy.
Guest:Neither of them was Mick Foley.
Guest:One guy was called Kane.
Guest:And in storyline, they were brothers.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:So those two guys are standing in front of a case with the belt in it.
Marc:And, and, and, uh, and Vince is about to announce who, which one of them gets the belt.
Marc:I imagine, I don't know if it'd be in a case or whatever.
Marc:And then, uh, but apparently Steve Austin or, or somebody thinks Steve Austin should have been the winner.
Marc:Clearly he thinks he's supposed to be the winner of the belt.
Marc:So he's angry and drives into the ring and his amboni machine starts running shit over and
Marc:is it is it a zamboni oh yeah no it's great making me laugh just thinking about it okay the slowest moving machine ever yeah so he drives in he crashes through the gate and the zamboni machine hits a couple of lighting things for the video and then drives it right into the ring almost but clearly he didn't want to plow the ring over then he jumps off of it and beats the shit out of
Marc:out of Vince pretty bad and the two guys who were standing there waiting for the belt no one else seemed to get involved in this so Vince is getting the shit beaten out of him by Steve Austin goes out of the ring then the cops come so it all takes place in the ring then a bunch of cops come a lot of cops I don't know if they were real cops
Marc:uh i'm assuming they weren't but they they take uh austin out and they drag him out of the ring past the machine down through the backstage area the hallway they cuff him and vince is coming after him screaming and yelling you know he still wants to fight him and and austin seems willing though he's handcuffed so he's he's in the car and uh they drive him off and vince seems uh
Marc:upset and doesn't want Steve back in the ring or anywhere.
Marc:He wants him in jail.
Marc:So that's what I saw.
Guest:You did great.
Guest:That is one of the most classic clips from WWF history.
Guest:I assume it's somebody's heel turn, right?
Guest:Well, no, it was really what was going on
Guest:You were pretty close with getting the storyline that Steve Austin thought he should have had the belt.
Guest:And what had happened was the night before Vince, who hated Steve Austin, but was the boss of the company and couldn't just fire the guy who was his number one draw.
Guest:The storyline was always that he was putting roadblocks in his way all the time to keep him from ever actually being the champion.
Guest:Right.
Marc:He knew this is this is Steve losing his shit then.
Guest:So yes, this would generally happen weekly, that he would torment Vince McMahon for trying to fuck him, right?
Guest:And so the thing that happened the night before this on a pay-per-view was that The Undertaker and Kane were in a match against Steve Austin.
Guest:They both pinned him at the same time, and Vince gave like a fast count, right?
Guest:And so then...
Guest:Who's the champ?
Guest:They both pinned him at the same time.
Guest:So Vince is saying, I'm going to announce that the next night on the TV, which one of you guys is the champ.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Display case for that.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:It was a very, very prestigious time for this title.
Guest:And that was why Steve Austin drove the Zamboni into the ring.
Guest:And I got to say, a picture perfect clothesline off that Zamboni, like an amazing clothesline off that thing.
Guest:That's what he hit Vince with.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:He cleared all the ropes.
Guest:Like he's just on top of the Zamboni jumping over it onto a man.
Guest:Like that was great.
Guest:And at this point, Steve Austin was messed up.
Guest:Like he had two bum knees.
Guest:He had a broken neck and he was just held together with duct tape because he was such a money draw.
Guest:So they kept everything they could do to keep him on TV.
Guest:Beating Vince's head.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:There's also an amazing point when they put him in the handcuffs and he still attacks Vince.
Marc:They're trying to bite him.
Marc:But like without knowing much, you know, Vince is a very unlikable guy.
Guest:Yes, so much so that the thing in the next clip I sent you is is like so.
Guest:So something I didn't bother sending you just because I didn't want to waste your time with too much.
Guest:When Vince went back to the ring after the fight with Steve Austin, the Undertaker and Kane beat the shit out of him and in storyline broke his leg.
Guest:Right.
Guest:They put his leg under a stair and they just keep slamming his leg.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So but did they take the belt?
Guest:No, that would be settled at the next pay-per-view.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So that like four weeks time, it was going to be The Undertaker now versus Kane to see who would be the legit champion.
Guest:Right.
Marc:That was the guys that beat the shit out of Austin.
Marc:We're not going to fight each other.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:Belt.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:Why?
Guest:But but why they beat up Vince?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, because he came back to the ring and said, I was going to give one of you the belt, but fuck you both now.
Guest:And you were supposed to protect me and you didn't.
Guest:So you can both get out of my ring.
Guest:So they beat the hell out of him.
Guest:So Vince is like the heel of it all.
Guest:Correct.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:He's the heel at the top of the pyramid.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Vince was for, I don't know, since he bought the company from his dad, which was in 83, 82 or 83, he was presented as just a commentator.
Guest:And they never acknowledged that he owned the company.
Guest:They never acknowledged that he was Vince, the guy in charge.
Guest:But everyone knew.
Guest:Only the most in-the-dark Mark fans did not know that Vince was in charge.
Guest:But you just played along.
Guest:This is just the guy who's the commentator.
Guest:When I was a kid, I had no idea.
Guest:I just I think kids didn't know.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:And so why would I?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like you knew if you were an adult because his name would be in the paper and shit like that.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like he was a grownups were already kind of hating him.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Well, no, no.
Guest:He was totally innocuous.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And the announcer guy, he would just announce the matches.
Guest:He was not there was no character there other than Vince McMahon.
Guest:The guy is like Alex Trebek.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I feel.
Marc:I felt like it was I like the announcers.
Marc:I thought the announcers in that first clip kept it going.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:I was with it.
Marc:And, you know, and I I kind of I even though I can see how he's hitting his head that like, you know, there was no blood in this thing, which was disappointing.
Marc:But but I believe I believe Steve Austin was genuinely upset.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Well, he Steve Austin is one of the greats of all time.
Guest:And part of the reason of that is that he made everything look like he gave a real shit about it.
Guest:Like he cared that he was so pissed off that this boss was getting in his way and he would kill him if he got his hands on him.
Marc:Now, Chris, did you were you a big Steve Austin fan?
Guest:I wasn't.
Guest:I there was a part of part of wrestling where I just kind of tuned out.
Guest:I was telling Brendan before I got a girlfriend and I stopped watching wrestling.
Marc:So that's the biggest threat to wrestling.
Guest:I will say, though, that I started dating Dawn around the time when this that Steve Austin stuff was going on and I got her into it.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Marc:He recruited her.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:He made her realize that this is something she would have to put up with.
Marc:Basically.
Marc:Right.
Marc:For as long as it goes on for.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I think she did.
Guest:She went above and beyond being a good sport.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Did she wear like hats and stuff?
Guest:No, but we would go to the matches and stuff.
Guest:She would go.
Guest:We would do it like do it up.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I feel about it now.
Guest:I mean, because I was out of it for so long and I haven't pulled her back in, I think she just basically has no recollection of any of it.
Guest:Mark, my favorite wrestler growing up was the Ultimate Warrior.
Guest:And if you ever see him, a match of him, you're like, oh yeah, that makes sense.
Guest:Chris likes this just Tasmanian devil of a wrestler who has no, I mean, that's not true.
Guest:He has incredible mic skills, but he's just all over the place.
Guest:He was a big slug.
Guest:And he was basically like a bodybuilder type that had insane charisma.
Guest:And Vince was like, that's my next Hulk Hogan.
Guest:And so they rocket ship this guy to the top.
Guest:And ultimately he fell short as a draw, but he was for a while the top guy.
Guest:What's a slug?
Guest:Like a stiff, a guy, you know, just a big muscle head who doesn't have a ton of in-ring skill.
Guest:Oh, so he's clunky.
Guest:Yes, totally clunky.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Speaking of big, huge guys, what was the second clip I sent you?
Marc:Second clip starts with Vince in a hospital bed and obviously a real hospital.
Marc:And and that he's up, you know, he's got a broken leg and he's being you can hear the hard thing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I think there's a nurse in there telling him he has visitors and he's yelling at her.
Marc:I said, no visitors, just family.
Marc:And she's like, no, but this guy's big.
Marc:And he's like, no visitors.
Marc:He's yelling.
Marc:He's yelling.
Marc:And then then that's Mick Foley, right?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Mick Foley comes in.
Marc:What character is that?
Marc:Mankind.
Marc:Mankind comes in.
Marc:I know it's Mick.
Marc:He's got the Mick body.
Marc:He's already pretty beat up Mick at that point.
Marc:Yeah, sure.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And but I couldn't tell if it was friendly or not, but it turns out not great.
Guest:Well, he was being very friendly, but Vince did not want him around.
Guest:That was that was definitely the character.
Marc:But Vince didn't feel like he was being set up somehow.
Marc:It was just a friendly thing.
Marc:So you're watching and you're like, oh, that's nice.
Marc:Mick Foley came by.
Guest:Well, he was he was at the time.
Guest:I don't want to interrupt your flow here, but I will give you a little background detail.
Guest:The character of Mick was playing at the time was he wanted Vince to like him.
Guest:He was like he was his his surrogate son.
Guest:He thought of himself as.
Guest:ass yes and vince was just one anytime vince needed like somebody to get beat up and he would have mick foley go do it he was just manipulating him and using him so here's the situation where he's stuck in the hospital and he's afraid that steve austin is coming that's when that nurse says you have a visitor and he's freaking out i don't want anybody coming in she says he's a huge man and he's threatening the staff he thinks it's steve austin but then it comes it's that it's mick
Marc:right but i i could feel it escalating just because of vince was you know really playing it up like yeah i knew that you know something was coming well what escalated with mick how'd that play out well he gives him the chocolates and you're still sort of like well because i don't know the backstory i'm like well mick's just setting him up here for something horrible to happen you know i knew it wasn't going to be in the chocolates i knew it was going to be more physical than that but you know he seemed to be happy about the chocolates and then and then like she i think he's like i have another visit i'm like oh here we go this was
Marc:They're both going to beat the shit out of them.
Marc:And then a clown comes in.
Guest:Wait a minute.
Guest:Wait a minute.
Guest:We have to pause for a sec.
Guest:It's a great minute.
Guest:There are two great bits of comedy in there.
Guest:One is that when he says, I have someone else who wants to see you, the heart monitor starts going more.
Guest:Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
Guest:It is fantastic.
Guest:And then he's like, what?
Guest:He's like, I have another visitor.
Guest:And he says, you brought him?
Guest:Meaning he's afraid that it's Steve Austin.
Guest:And he says, no, no, it's not a him.
Guest:It's a her.
Guest:I brought you some female entertainment.
Guest:And I think you know what I mean.
Guest:He says, she does a trick with a dog.
Guest:You're not going to believe.
Guest:And then, as you mentioned, it's a birthday clown.
Marc:I'm sorry, I forgot about those details.
Marc:Right.
Marc:We thought we were going to get a strip show, maybe a couple of women and a dog.
Marc:Who knew?
Marc:But then it turns out to be a party clown.
Marc:Is that a wrestler, though?
Marc:I thought.
Marc:No, but whoever that was, she's amazing because she plays that so straight.
Marc:A wreath of balloons on him.
Marc:And then I think Mick says do the dog thing and she starts to blow up a dog.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So then he's like got all the balloon animals and then
Marc:Does she leave the clown?
Marc:And then he tells them both to leave because Mick pulls out a sock and does the sock puppet under the bed.
Marc:Another someone come to see you.
Marc:And then it's a sock puppet because Mick's under the bed.
Marc:And Vince is just like it just feels menacing.
Marc:It feels like something bad was going to happen.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Well, then Vince just says, damn it, leave.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And everybody goes.
Marc:Then the blood pressure is being taken and it's normal.
Marc:and then it just in out of nowhere and a doctors and scrubs austin just barrels in and immediately starts beating the shit out of vince in bed just slamming his head and then punching his broken leg and then throwing him down out of the bed and punching him some more and then like he bent him over like yeah
Marc:Well, yeah, he hit him with a pan.
Marc:Was that a bedpan?
Marc:A bedpan, yes.
Marc:I thought, where does the skillet come from?
Marc:But he hits him with the bedpan right on the head like a Three Stooges movie.
Marc:And then he flips him over and I'm like, what the fuck's happening here?
Marc:And then he goes and gets the IV and I guess sticks the needle in his ass.
Marc:It was an enema, like an enema with a water bag.
Marc:Well, that makes sense.
Marc:So he actually anally rapes Vince McMahon with the enema.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And then you missed also he paddled.
Guest:He did the defibrillator.
Marc:The defibrillator made the noise.
Marc:And Vince, what's that?
Marc:Piped into the arena.
Guest:Yeah, they were watching it in the arena.
Guest:Well, actually, you know, I bet you they were not, to be honest with you, because that was a taped show.
Guest:show like the arena stuff was the week was taped the week before.
Guest:So my guess is they did not tape that and show it in the arena that they were just playing it into the show and they put some crowd noise underneath to sweeten it.
Marc:Oh, but yeah, but Steve Austin just does a number on him with a with a pan, his fists enema.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It throws him off the bed.
Marc:I thought a ladder was going to show up.
Guest:You're used to those now.
Yeah.
Guest:You know, it's the most amazing thing, though, about that is that, like, yeah, everything you said is true.
Guest:He just assaults this person in a hospital bed.
Guest:He's pounding on his broken leg.
Guest:He hits him over the head with the bedpan.
Guest:He defibrillates him.
Guest:All the while, he's giving punches and kicks the whole time.
Guest:And then ends with the enema up the ass.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:and there was not a single person watching it who had any sympathy for vince mcmahon in fact they were it was just that was what everyone wanted to see and and the amazing thing was you identified it in the beginning clip where you're like yeah he just does not seem like a nice guy
Marc:Well, I mean, not even the hospital staff seemed to give a shit what was going on.
Guest:Yeah, that's so great, too.
Guest:They make sure they show that he's harassing the staff.
Guest:He's just being a total dick to these women.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So, yeah, it was exciting.
Marc:So where does it go after that?
Guest:Oh, it went every well, the most immediate thing was that then for the next several weeks, Vince was showing up in the to the building in a wheelchair.
Guest:And that is a great tactic for heel wrestler manager.
Guest:Anything is like he's in a wheelchair.
Guest:So there's always got to be someone wheeling him around.
Guest:He's mean and commanding, demanding of things.
Guest:Push me over there.
Guest:So all that's happening.
Guest:And he's, you know, decreeing all these things from his wheelchair.
Guest:And there's a really kind of famous promo.
Guest:He cuts on Steve Austin about, you know, whatever punishment he's going to give him for this.
Guest:And he says, you know, nothing I do to you will compare what you did to me.
Guest:You violated me.
Guest:it was gold those two guys were the best of all time and in terms of being wrestling characters no there's then steve yes and then you add the rock into that who was in getting big at the same time they had the three best guys of all time at once okay well that was so how'd i do what what did we learn i
Guest:What I learned is that mostly a good wrestling segment like that translates 25 years later.
Guest:That was a long time ago.
Marc:From the get-go.
Marc:I don't know much going in other than I can identify a couple of people, but right away...
Marc:Right when that Zamboni comes through the gate, you're off and running all the way through.
Marc:Like the energy held up.
Marc:And the same with the suspense in the hospital scene.
Marc:Like I already didn't like Vince.
Marc:I don't even know why.
Marc:I barely know anything about him, but I don't like him.
Marc:And then so it just kept elevating.
Marc:So, yeah, it's very satisfying to see that guy get violated with an enema by Steve Austin.
Marc:And I don't even know anything about Steve Austin other than he's very angry.
Guest:Yeah, that's basically it.
Guest:He was an angry, angry working class dude.
Guest:That was his thing.
Guest:He was an ass kicker and he wanted you to leave him alone so he could kick people's ass for money, which is his job.
Guest:And with you getting in his way from doing that, he would kick your ass, too.
Guest:And does does Vince get thrown out of the wheelchair at some point?
Guest:Oh, many times.
Guest:Yeah, I believe there's an episode in that run of episodes where Austin takes him hostage and threatens to kill him.
Guest:But it turns out it's just a toy gun with a bang thing on it.
Guest:But the whole reason he did it was so that Vince would piss his pants, which he did.
Guest:And that's how that show ends.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:So this is all very relieving to people who are watching it.
Marc:You get a lot of emotions out with this stuff.
Guest:I mean, here's the real deal.
Guest:Business fell down for WWE in 2001.
Guest:You can go look at their numbers and ratings and buy rates.
Guest:They all fell off.
Guest:And it was because they turned Steve Austin heel.
Guest:He wanted to change his character.
Guest:He said, make me a heel.
Guest:And he joined forces with Vince.
Guest:And they became like a heel duo and business fell off because people would have watched Steve Austin beat the shit out of his boss every night for years.
Guest:Because it's fantasy booking.
Guest:That's what you want.
Marc:But so that was a bad call.
Guest:Bad call.
Guest:Very bad call.
Guest:They all everyone acknowledges it was a bad call.
Marc:All right.
Marc:So what's my next assignment?
Guest:Well, you know, it's really now it's on me and Chris, like we got to find some good, equally good stuff for you to watch like that.
Guest:We started you out on a very high bar and that translated very well.
Guest:So I think I think there's two levels here.
Guest:Either I have to find something equally good or something really bad, like really bad is probably good, too.
Marc:I'd like to see that.
Marc:But what's the end game here that I have to I'm going to start watching?
Guest:The end game is mostly that, you know, week to week on this show that Chris and I are forced to do now because we have thousands of wrestling fans.
Guest:You finally found your people, guys.
Guest:I guess.
Guest:I said to Chris at the beginning when we opened this, I said, I promise you, we would have done this if a thousand movie fans had joined up when we did a Michael Clayton episode.
Guest:Where were you people?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But no, so the end game is to continue to progress through wrestling history with you and and see how it's translating to a person who has no backstory with this stuff.
Marc:Do you want me to start being a heel and saying, like, you guys are fucking children?
Guest:This is all bullshit.
Guest:That's what you've always done.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:He plays the heel.
Guest:See, I think that's the thing.
Guest:At this point in your life, especially with all this press you've been doing, you have a real babyface quality going on these days.
Marc:Oh, yeah, you do.
Marc:All right, so now you get a surprise.
Marc:One of you guys are going to be the heel?
No.
Marc:I don't like when Brendan goes heel.
Marc:It's very scary.
Marc:I've only seen it twice, but it's not great.
Guest:Yeah, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that.
Marc:No, it's terrible.
Marc:It's a lifetime of stuff in there.
Guest:Yeah, no, that's the thing.
Guest:The best heel is the one who thinks he's right, right?
Guest:So you have to be careful about that.
Guest:Well, this succeeded.
Guest:We'll keep doing this.
Guest:I won't take up your time every week, but we will keep bothering you with wrestling videos.
Marc:Okay, fellas.
Guest:all right that's our first friday show me and chris we'll we'll do this again next time uh and uh we'll do it as long as we've got a third of our full marion listeners i'm telling you you have the power to keep this around and i have the power to cancel it uh i don't i don't want to cancel it though it's fun i enjoyed it i'd do it again uh but i will
Guest:Uh, so Chris, uh, as we go into the weekend, is there, uh, is there anything that you would recommend, uh, that, that you've been enjoying?
Guest:Uh, I'm really digging, uh, shrinking on, uh, Apple TV plus.
Guest:Oh, the Jason Segel.
Guest:It's actually great.
Guest:Harrison Ford thing.
Guest:Harrison Ford actually doing some good work.
Guest:I like, it's a great supporting cast.
Guest:Uh, I just, I dig it.
Guest:It's, uh, it makes me happy.
Guest:Is it one of these things they've released all the episodes or are they doing them week to week?
Guest:Yeah, every week on Fridays, just like this show.
Guest:So every week and there's like four episodes and it's just charming.
Guest:And it has that Ted Lassoy sort of sprinkle.
Guest:So, you know, I don't know if I feel like people would dig it because I dig it.
Guest:And it was like just unexpected.
Guest:Oh, that's nice.
Guest:I will check it out because I wasn't planning to check it out.
Guest:I think I mentioned this to you, but I probably have mentioned it briefly and I didn't really get to explain how truly amazing it was.
Guest:There's this thing on Peacock called Paul T. Goldman.
Guest:And did you watch it?
Guest:I've watched two episodes and I'm like, what am I watching right now?
Guest:Yes, it is batshit and in all the best ways.
Guest:And you got to watch it through because the payoff is huge.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:And it's only six episodes and most of them are about a half hour.
Guest:I think the last one was an hour.
Guest:So you watch the whole thing in like three hours and 30 minutes.
Guest:And this was made by Jason Walliner, who...
Guest:He used to do the Human Giant show with Aziz and Paul Scheer, Rob Hubel, and has gone on to direct lots of TV.
Guest:He directed the second Borat movie.
Guest:And we're actually going to talk to him on the show about Paul T. Goldman, because Mark and I both had the same reaction to it.
Guest:We're like, this is crazy.
Guest:How did this happen?
Guest:And it's almost impossible to explain it.
Guest:Like I would try to explain it to the listeners here.
Guest:And if you don't know what this Paul T. Goldman is, the best thing I can say in the simplest way is that in 2012, Jason Walliner, the director, got a tweet from this guy named Paul T. Goldman saying, I would like you to make a movie of a book that I wrote about my life.
Guest:And the book about his life has to do with what he believed was a scam run on him by his ex-wife.
Guest:And
Guest:really once you just explain that then just go watch the show and see how that unfolds because it's insane i can't wait to finish it yes this weekend oh good yeah i mean you're two two episodes done it's like you literally got like two and a half hours left like that's like a marvel movie right like forget it you're gonna finish it on saturday it's so insane
Guest:Okay, dude.
Guest:Well, next time, you know, we'll talk about some more classic wrestling and we'll follow what's been going on on the wrestling we're watching.
Guest:And we'll talk about anything that you guys want us to talk about.
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Guest:We're not taking your data.
Guest:That's just literally so we can get comments, questions, feedback from you.
Guest:And we will still be doing this as long as a third of you Full Marin listeners are here next week.
Guest:We are grateful that you are and we will deliver the goods.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Now I've got to go deliver dinner, I think, because we went a little longer than I expected.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Peace.