BONUS The Friday Show - Pops, Heat, Promos and More
Guest:This guy falls and it's a Tony Scott movie.
Guest:So it's these very, very fast edits between helicopter, guy falling, helicopter, guy falling, blades, blades, guy, blades, guy.
Guest:And then boom, the guy hits the blades and I screamed and cheered.
Guest:Yes, this guy, yes.
Guest:And my mom was so upset.
Guest:Like we were watching this as a family.
Guest:She was like, that's not, that is not right.
Guest:That is not how you were raised.
Guest:She's thinking my son might be a psychopath.
Yeah.
Guest:You did good.
Guest:Hey there, Chris.
Guest:Brandon, how you doing, buddy?
Guest:I'm good.
Guest:So you listened to the bonus stuff we put out earlier this week?
Marc:I sure did.
Marc:And can I say, it's really fun to just laugh hysterically by myself while I'm walking in the middle of the woods.
Marc:I'm pretty sure people that are looking at me think I'm a lunatic.
Guest:Why are there other people in the woods?
Guest:Wouldn't they also be lunatics?
Marc:No, they're just walking.
Marc:They're like hiking.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:But I'm just cackling like a maniac about Ice Cube.
Guest:Yeah, you texted me while you were listening to it saying you needed the Mark Ice Cube sitcom.
Marc:Yes, please.
Marc:Especially with Black Mark.
Marc:That's great.
Guest:That would be the hook of the whole thing, right?
Guest:Is that he keeps talking like that and this guy who has no tolerance for it has to be his friend or something.
Marc:Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:Black Mark.
Guest:It's a trip when that happens.
Marc:I got to say, you guys are really opening up the hood to your podcast.
Marc:You're just like, this is our process.
Marc:This is how... Oh, hey.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Frankly, it's always been like that.
Guest:We're always in interviews or anything.
Guest:There's no secrets.
Guest:It always used to be hilarious for us when we first started podcasting.
Guest:And I'd see other podcasters doing interviews or...
Guest:Someone would write up a thing about them saying, like, how many listeners they have.
Guest:And then they'd be like, although, you know, this is just an estimate based on, you know, what the podcaster gave us from the number of shows they've done.
Guest:And I'm like, they know exactly how many.
Guest:Why are they lying?
Guest:Like, I would just, anytime anybody ever asked us about numbers, about ad rates, I'll tell you exactly the truth.
Guest:Because...
Guest:We're setting it like the industry is being built around us as we speak.
Guest:If I fucking lied to you, that's going to hurt me.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like everybody's going to be like, oh, so you mean you get 5 million listeners per episode?
Guest:Great.
Guest:And then everything would collapse once we tried to set an ad market or something.
Guest:So, yeah, we just have kind of thought that from day one of like, hey, just like tell the truth about what we're doing.
Guest:No, it's not a magic trick.
Guest:Right.
Guest:The magic trick, I should put it this way.
Guest:The illusion that the show creates is nothing that anyone is ever going to duplicate or figure out.
Guest:Now that they've seen the man behind the curtain, it's that the illusion is something they, like wrestling, want to go along with.
Guest:They want to go along with the idea that they are alone with Mark in this garage.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And they just happen to be there when somebody comes by and they're talking.
Guest:And there's not one person listening that thinks it's actually like that.
Guest:But that's the thing they've done in their brains.
Guest:So why not just keep up that illusion?
Guest:And there's never going to be anything that changes that.
Guest:No amount of things that we reveal or talk about with the show is ever going to change that.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So how far along are you in the Ice Cube episode?
Marc:So it was recorded on Monday.
Marc:When's it going to be released, first of all?
Marc:And then how many times have you listened to it?
Marc:And how close are you to the finished product?
Guest:It'll be released next Thursday.
Guest:So it's next Thursday's episode, less than a week from today.
Guest:When I get the file from him, I go through it in like a skip around.
Guest:Like I just do it to make sure nothing's messed up, right?
Guest:Like there's no section that I'm looking at a waveform and I'm like, why is there a giant gap in the waveform right there?
Guest:The lost audio or something?
Guest:And I do that because Mark has a backup that he doesn't send me.
Guest:Right.
Guest:He doesn't have to inundate me with several files or take the time to upload a file off of a Zoom recorder.
Guest:And so if I see that there's a gap in the wave or that something looks messed up, I can just go get the backup from him.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So really, that's the only reason I listen to it right away.
Guest:But I will admit that when I do that, I'll like, if I find something like in hopping around and checking out the file, which I do for like five, 10 minutes, if something like is entertaining to me, I'll stick there and listen to it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So I may get some of the episode, but what I'm largely relying on is what he talked to me about.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And then not until like a couple of days before we're going to do it, do I actually ever sit down and start editing the actual piece?
Guest:Oh, wow.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:So when is it locked, would you say?
Marc:Was it like Wednesday?
Marc:Yeah, Wednesday.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:Could be Thursday at 2.30 a.m.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:Because we release at 3 a.m.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:It's, you know, it's always been...
Guest:our ability to be as flexible as possible with these things, you know, allows me to like, I don't, it's just me and Mark.
Guest:So I don't have to deliver this to somebody else.
Guest:I'm the guy, right?
Guest:I press the button when it's done and make it so that people can hear it.
Guest:So if I want to take more time with it, if I want to like...
Guest:You know, listen to it, but I'm going to give it another listen.
Guest:I'll do that.
Guest:Sometimes I'll push it right up until we're ready to go.
Marc:Sadly, it's not like broadcast news where you're not flying around with the tape to get it somewhere.
Guest:No, because it's a completely artificial deadline, right?
Guest:It's 3 a.m.
Guest:because we say so.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But like...
Guest:There have been times where I'm like, I'm not getting this done by three in the morning.
Guest:And like, I'll sit and listen to it again or do something else again.
Guest:And it'll go up at four in the morning or whatever.
Guest:And nobody cares because they're all asleep.
Guest:Or if they're in England, we'll get some emails.
Guest:Hey, your show's not up or whatever.
Guest:That's funny.
Guest:But but yeah, that's I mean, that's part of the reason why we've had it go publish overnight.
Guest:And I like I remember doing this and then, you know, notice that most shows that got invented after ours did it as well.
Guest:So it felt like the smart thing to do.
Guest:And it was because at the time, specifically 2009, 2010, there was quite a delay.
Guest:With feeds getting synced up to podcast apps or software, right?
Guest:Like you could publish something at 3am and like, I'd wake up at like 8am and it still wasn't on iTunes yet.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It took time.
Guest:Like that would be a rarity, but it could happen.
Guest:It could just happen because things weren't like, you know, up to snuff yet in terms of the ingestion process.
Guest:So nowadays, like I'll publish it.
Guest:And if I'm awake at like three o'clock at like 301, 302, I'll see the alert come on my phone that says.
Guest:You know, WTF with Marc Maron, new episode.
Guest:Gotcha.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Well, yeah, if you haven't listened to that and you're not sure exactly what Chris and I are talking about, my bonus material was this thing we posted on Tuesday right after Ice Cube left the garage.
Guest:And it wasn't specifically because it was Ice Cube.
Guest:It was just something that Marc and I are going to do more often, kind of give you a recorded version of the conversation Marc and I always have after a guest is in the garage.
Guest:And one of the things he told me on there with Ice Cube was he... It was this idea we had.
Guest:This was something that came up with us talking about it ahead of time.
Guest:We had a conversation before he talked to him, and I sent Mark some notes.
Guest:And one of the things was a thing that his son, O'Shea Jr., had said when he was in the garage with Mark was that, like...
Guest:I think Mark framed the question to him, but O'Shea agreed with it, that he was linking up O'Shea's fandom around wrestling with his dad creating Ice Cube as a persona.
Guest:And he was like, it does seem kind of like wrestling.
Guest:And O'Shea was like, yeah, absolutely, totally.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:And they talked about that a little.
Guest:So I brought that up again with him.
Guest:I remember what O'Shea said to you about Cube and wrestling.
Guest:Well, Mark...
Guest:he mentioned to me the other day oh i brought that thing up to him it totally did not go over like he was like yeah you know the character ice cube and he's like no no man there's no character like i was like yeah i didn't i didn't think that would work that way like these guys are not like oh i'm totally a poser right right this is all fraud all this versato total fraud
Guest:But it did make me think of something.
Guest:It made me think that there is a lot of real life in wrestling and vice versa.
Guest:And it got me thinking about something that we even talked about with Mark a couple weeks ago when we were talking about heel turns and that.
Guest:And it's like, yeah, you understand the world better if you understand the simplicity of a pro wrestling heel turn.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:There's something very fundamental about wrestling that almost goes back to, you know, Greek tragedy.
Guest:You could probably look at it at the very core of like drama where, you know, these had to be broad characterizations for people to understand them, right?
Guest:Right.
Guest:And I got to thinking about it.
Guest:I was like, I bet for a lot of people in our audience who aren't huge wrestling fans or maybe don't know anything about wrestling, it would help them understand not just what we're talking about when we talk about wrestling, but the life they live if they understood how the language of wrestling and the language of real life overlap tremendously, right?
Guest:I mean, I think about it all the time.
Guest:I see it in newspapers.
Guest:They actually use the term kayfabe now, like when they're talking about a politician.
Guest:That's funny.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Well, and he kayfabed about this.
Guest:And it's like, wow, that language is in there now.
Guest:And so I had this idea and I sent it to you.
Guest:You seem to be receptive of it.
Guest:I don't know how it went.
Guest:We didn't talk about it after you did your research.
Guest:We did it.
Guest:And I got to say, we should really compare notes one of these days.
Guest:I don't want to.
Guest:No, no, no, no, no.
Guest:Don't compare notes.
Guest:I want to hear this cold.
Guest:Because I had the thought that there are lots of things that for people who have never watched wrestling, they have had the same experience with real life, with whether it's movies, TV, sports, political events, anything.
Guest:They've had the same experience that we have with wrestling.
Guest:And if we talk about it in those terms, I think maybe it's like a bridging of the gap here.
Guest:People can maybe understand like, oh, that's what they mean when they talk about that.
Guest:That's why that's entertaining to them.
Guest:So I went through and I made a list and I'll read the categories off right here, but then we'll go through each one of them, kind of explain them.
Guest:OK, and so these categories is going to be our awards for life.
Guest:this is not for wrestling this is our awards for like the best of things we've experienced in our life okay from a pop culture standpoint which Chris and I you know if you've listened to this show for any amount of time you probably understand that for the two of us we're really kind of
Guest:pop culture sponges.
Guest:Wrestling just happens to be a thing we're doing because of who our subscribers are, but we could easily be doing this about movies or music or TV or baseball or anything.
Guest:And so we thought, let's get some categories here and each pick what we think is the best moment in our lives that go along with these categories.
Guest:And here they are.
Guest:Best pop
Guest:best heat, best baby face, best heel, best hype, best promo, and best finish.
Guest:And we'll go back through all of these and give our answers and explain to you exactly what these mean as it pertains to real life.
Guest:So let's go back.
Guest:Let's start at best pop.
Guest:Now, the way I explain this to you, Chris, and this was kind of the one I used as an example, was like, well, my dad...
Guest:in 1977, went to see Star Wars when it first opened the theaters.
Guest:And then people didn't really know what it was other than it was this big new movie, Star Wars.
Guest:When Han Solo blasts Darth Vader out of the trench so that Luke can blow up the Death Star, my dad and his buddy stood up in the aisle and screamed and cheered.
Guest:Like they were so overcome with the moment.
Guest:they cheered for this thing.
Guest:Like it was a friend of theirs who just came to the rescue.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's a pop.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:So when we talk about wrestling, you say, Oh, you got the pop or you got like, that's what you're looking to get.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Chris Jericho on the show talked about this extensively about trying to milk the crowd, get them up, up, up, up, up.
Guest:So that boom, they'll hit with this moment.
Guest:So I want to know the moment where you totally lost yourself and just went crazy and it could be in anything in life.
Guest:When did that happen for you?
Guest:What is your best,
Guest:pop.
Guest:So do you have just one answer for this?
Guest:I did not for this.
Guest:For this, really, this is the only one where I didn't have just one.
Guest:I have one that's the best answer, but I have ones that are very close.
Guest:This motherfucker.
Marc:I swear to God, people listening, this guy is so cutthroat with his, like,
Marc:I'm surprised he has more than one for this one.
Marc:But he is, like, you're talking or you're listening to a guy who, like, Lost season one ends and there's a hatch.
Marc:He's like, nah, I'm out.
Marc:I'm out.
Marc:Oh, I was done.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, no chance.
Guest:Never.
Marc:Never again with Lost.
Marc:This fucking guy.
Marc:I mean, same with Twin Peaks, apparently.
Marc:You watched the first season of Twin Peaks and what, you didn't stick around for season two to see who killed Laura Palmer?
Marc:No.
Guest:No, season two, and season two is terrible.
Guest:It is, but didn't you need to know?
Guest:Didn't you want to know?
Guest:Nah, I knew it was not going to be satisfying.
Guest:Unbelievable.
Guest:Anyway, fine.
Guest:Was it satisfying?
Guest:Here, I got a question for you.
Guest:Was it satisfying?
Guest:No.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, you know how many shows right now currently I have buried under the ground?
Guest:Ted Lasso, The Mandalorian.
Marc:Yeah, you are cutthroat.
Marc:So anyway, I have... But wait, what does that have to do with me popping at something?
Marc:No, it just has to do with this whole thing where you only have one or two examples.
Marc:Like, I am fascinated by that because I could not kill off.
Guest:Narrow it down.
Marc:Yeah, I could not narrow it down.
Marc:Okay, well, maybe I can help you out with that.
Marc:Okay, fair.
Marc:So my nominees are the biggest pops for me.
Marc:There is Obama announcing that we killed Osama bin Laden.
Guest:Oh, that's funny.
Guest:That's a good one.
Marc:Huge pop.
Marc:Huge file for me.
Marc:I remember where I was at the time.
Marc:I was in Arizona at my dad's house and he was actually hyping up Donald Trump at the time.
Marc:And if you remember, he was still doing The Apprentice.
Guest:And it was the birth certificate stuff.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And all of a sudden, I'm getting ready to leave.
Marc:I'm packing my bags.
Marc:My dad's going to sit down and watch The Apprentice.
Marc:And they preempt The Apprentice for this mysterious White House event.
Marc:Oh, no way.
Marc:And Obama comes out and announces that we killed Osama.
Marc:And holy shit, I popped.
Marc:I laughed in his face.
Marc:LAUGHTER
Marc:I laughed in his wife's face, which, by the way, I had a habit of doing because I laughed in her face after the Yankees lost the World Series in 2001.
Marc:Just laughed right in her face as Mara Rivera gave up the winning hit.
Marc:It was the best.
Marc:Anyway, Obama announcing that we killed Osama Bin Laden.
Marc:That's one of the biggest pops for me.
Guest:okay you have others yeah um captain america getting thor's hammer in avengers endgame okay fair i feel like i mean like universally like standard pop yeah standard massive pop that's like that would be like saying uh you know the stone cold steve austin helping mick foley win the title pop right like undeniable huge pop everybody popped for it right right
Marc:Uh, and then I had, now I'm a little too young for 1986 Mets game six.
Marc:Um, the, the Mookie's ball going under Buckner's legs.
Marc:I remember it.
Marc:I, I popped as hell, but you know, I was a kid back then.
Marc:I don't know how much you remember it.
Guest:Uh, I don't, I mean, I remember, uh, my dad coming and waking me up to watch the end of the game.
Guest:Cause I'd already gone to bed.
Guest:Um, and he said, something's going to happen.
Guest:We should go, you should go come watch.
Guest:That's great.
Guest:And I watched it and I just, I more remember just being kind of like overwhelmed in like a dream state, like what's happening, right?
Guest:So I definitely did not pop for that.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:And the Giants winning the Super Bowl over the undefeated Patriots, the helmet catch, I popped for that.
Guest:So that's on my list, the helmet catch itself.
Guest:Like that was definitely, if you're grading, if you put like, what do they call the decibel scale thing, like in my house and graded the pop, like that was the biggest pop I've ever, probably ever watching professional sports was the Eli Manning to David Tyree helmet catch.
Guest:Like I think I like screamed that it happened.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like a horror movie.
Guest:Like a guy coming through the window with a knife.
Guest:Like that the ball was being thrown where it was being thrown.
Guest:And then that he caught it.
Guest:I definitely remember that as a huge, huge scream and pop.
Marc:Nice.
Guest:So that's my list.
Guest:What else you got?
Guest:So for me, if I had to be honest about it, like a probably pure one, but one I would never do again today, like it was definitely because I was 12 or 13 at the time, but it was during watching the movie The Last Boy Scout...
Guest:And I was watching it with my parents at home.
Guest:And if you remember, the bad guy Milo, who's a real piece of shit.
Guest:And Bruce Wilson and this guy Milo, they were fighting on top of a trellis that was at a football arena, right?
Guest:A football stadium.
Guest:And they're fighting, they're shooting at each other and whatnot.
Guest:And a helicopter is trying to like...
Guest:Snipe them.
Guest:It's a police helicopter or something.
Guest:And the helicopter comes by.
Guest:And I was just, you know, the way I was into this movie at that age, I guess, I was so into and I was so hating this bad guy.
Guest:And I saw the helicopter and I just went, he's going to go through the helicopter blades.
Guest:Like I saw the future of what was going to happen.
Guest:And sure enough, Bruce Willis shoots this guy like three times.
Guest:He falls over the edge of this, you know, stanchion or whatever it is that they're on.
Guest:This guy falls and it's a Tony Scott movie.
Guest:So it's these very, very fast edits between helicopter, guy falling, helicopter, guy falling, blades, blades, guy, blades, guy.
Guest:And then boom, the guy hits the blades and I screamed and cheered.
Guest:Yes, this guy.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And my mom was so upset.
Guest:Like we were watching this as a family.
Guest:She was like, that's not, that is not right.
Guest:That is not how you were raised.
Guest:She's thinking my son might be a psychopath.
Guest:I was clapping.
Guest:I was like, woo!
Guest:I think it was more that I was just so satisfied they paid it off the way I had envisioned it, right?
Guest:Totally, yeah.
Guest:So, like, yeah, if I'm being honest, that was a big pop.
Guest:Would I pop that way today watching a movie that did the same exact thing?
Guest:No, I would not.
Guest:And that's why I don't put it at the top of the list because there are things I popped at in wrestling that I would pop at today the same way, right?
Guest:Exactly the same.
Guest:Right.
Guest:As I mentioned to you, I also put the helmet catch on my list.
Guest:But the number one pop.
Guest:I popped so loud, I woke up my one-year-old son at the time.
Guest:was Barack Obama beating Mitt Romney.
Marc:Oh, awesome.
Marc:I mean, great.
Marc:I mean, I, yeah, for sure.
Marc:Please let me clear out so you can tell this story.
Guest:Oh, it was, I mean, it was, I was working at MSNBC at the time too.
Guest:So I had a lot invested in like the daily coverage of that and I was pretty certain Obama was going to win.
Guest:So that was another thing.
Guest:Like I kept telling people he's going to fucking win this thing, you know, end your pity parties.
Guest:Cause he's, you know, I think he's going to win pretty handily too.
Guest:And and there was just a lot of hype around Romney was going to win these, you know, swing states.
Guest:And he was Obama was unpopular or whatever.
Guest:He had bombed that first debate.
Guest:There was just a lot of negativity around it.
Guest:And I just remember just telling people he's going to win.
Guest:I'm pretty sure.
Guest:But then I wound up feeling like I had a stake in it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like I was I had something to lose if he lost, not just the country.
Guest:And yeah.
Guest:And yeah, we were watching TV.
Guest:It was probably 11 o'clock at night, 1130.
Guest:And I believe it was a call of Ohio.
Guest:And it was, yeah, Rachel Maddow on the TV calls Ohio.
Guest:I screamed so loud that, yes, I woke up my son.
Guest:And then they had the camera on the crowd in Chicago at the Obama party.
Guest:It was a huge crowd.
Guest:And it was Lawrence O'Donnell, actually, on the air.
Guest:And I give him a lot of credit for this.
Guest:everyone's going around the table, you know, they have those panels for the show and everyone's going around the table saying what they thought and what this means.
Guest:Well, it shows that he could win in Southern states and he won in North Carolina and he did this and that.
Guest:And they get to Lawrence and Lawrence is like, you know, four years ago, I was in the park in Chicago when he won and it was a tremendous atmosphere.
Guest:And I'm looking at these pictures we got on our screen right now.
Guest:And I just want us to just be with them for a few minutes.
Guest:Let's just
Guest:Just go to see what they're doing.
Guest:And they showed this ballroom crowd or wherever they were, and they were playing that song by The Heavy, the How You Like Me Now.
Guest:Oh, awesome.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it just kicked right at that moment when they went to them, it kicked into the bam, bam, bam, bam.
Guest:And I was just.
Guest:Doing everything that people were doing on the screen.
Guest:I was doing the same thing in my living room, just like pumping my fist to the music.
Guest:I was so hyped that Obama had won this thing.
Marc:That is the great pop of my life for sure.
Marc:That's awesome.
Marc:I happen to be working the board at a Republican radio station or, you know, a...
Marc:Conservative talk radio?
Marc:Yeah, conservative talk radio.
Marc:And I was on the board and we would be getting news feeds, like embargoed news over the, you know, not on the air, but like in our control room.
Marc:And I knew...
Marc:20 minutes before everyone that Obama was going to win.
Marc:And I, I was staring at the, at the conservative talk host laughing.
Marc:He couldn't hear me, but I, I was laughing because he fucking knew what I knew that Obama won.
Marc:And he had to be all with these stupid idiot callers being like, I don't know.
Marc:I think Mitt Romney is going to win.
Marc:And like, he had to be like, yeah, I don't know.
Marc:You might, you might want to brace for impact here.
Marc:It was awesome.
Marc:So yeah, that was,
Guest:I love that all your favorite moments involve you ridiculing your enemies.
Marc:Shouldn't they all?
Marc:Shouldn't they all, Brendan?
Marc:If you could stare in the face of a moron and laugh in their face.
Marc:What a great time.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, speaking of staring at morons, that brings us to the next category, which is best heat.
Guest:A moment where you absolutely hated the person or the thing or event or whatever is being shown to you, and you just couldn't wait for them to get their just due, right?
Guest:Like, this is the...
Guest:This is totally what wrestling is based on, right?
Guest:You've got to get heat, heat, heat, heat, heat, so that then the victories make sense, pay off.
Guest:So what is the biggest moment or best moment of heat in your life?
Marc:I got two.
Marc:I couldn't narrow it down, and it's got a blast for me.
Marc:But one is the 2016 elections.
Marc:That sucked.
Guest:You mean him actually winning?
Marc:Yeah, Trump winning over Hillary at like 3 in the morning.
Guest:Right.
Marc:And then 9-11.
Marc:Right.
Marc:I put both of them one A and one B, alright?
Marc:They are equal.
Marc:They are equal in my fucking mind, okay?
Guest:Man, that guy got so much heat in that cave that day.
Guest:So much heat.
Guest:I'll leave that one there.
Guest:Especially, this is so funny in light of the thing I put.
Guest:Oh no, what'd you do?
Guest:So we have on the board, we have Trump winning the Donald Trump, the host of The Celebrity Apprentice and sex pest and accused rapist winning the presidency of the United States.
Guest:And 9-11, the worst killings on American U.S.
Guest:soil.
Guest:in history.
Guest:Those did not even come into my mind when thinking about the thing that gave me the most heat in my life.
Guest:No, for me, it was when Mr. Potter takes that fucking money from Uncle Billy and it's a wonderful life.
Guest:That's great.
Marc:I thought of him, but obviously those two dwarfed him.
Guest:That's so funny that you even thought of it because, yeah, it's like I cannot ever think of a thing that made me angry or made me more.
Guest:And you know what?
Guest:Here's the thing.
Guest:It would be disqualified because in general, in the film, he does not get his comeuppance.
Marc:He doesn't, yeah.
Guest:But I'm allowing it as a valid heat that is then satisfied because SNL, this must be a universal feeling that everybody just hates Mr. Potter and wants him to get his.
Guest:SNL did that whole sketch, do you remember, where they beat the fucking shit out of him.
Guest:Like he's in a wheelchair and they pick him up and they're slamming him down.
Guest:And like, that's so satisfying.
Guest:So I will allow it as a heat moment that totally paid off in the end.
Marc:That's excellent.
Marc:Yeah, I was going to have Mr. Potter as best villain, but, or best, what is it?
Marc:Yeah, best heel.
Marc:Best heel.
Marc:But yeah, he's not.
Guest:He's not entertaining.
Marc:And he's not justifiable.
Guest:No, you just fucking hate this guy.
Guest:You want him thrown off a bridge in his wheelchair.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, before we get to best heel, let's do best baby face.
Guest:This is this is the you know, from the wrestling terms, like if we're talking about a wrestling, people know wrestling would call this like the Ricky Steamboat Award, like just a total good guy who has no inkling of being a bad guy, just pure of heart, follows a code, is your best hero.
Guest:It's not an antihero.
Guest:Full on baby face.
Guest:Who is your best baby face?
Guest:We might we have not talked about this.
Guest:As we mentioned, we might match up on this one.
Marc:I got two.
Marc:Christopher Reeve as Superman.
Guest:That's mine.
Marc:Yeah, is it?
Marc:Okay.
Marc:I mean, no one else.
Marc:I mean, my God, he is Superman.
Guest:Yeah, I'll tell you my specific reason for Chris Reeve as Superman in a minute, but tell me who your other pick is.
Marc:Mr. Rogers.
Guest:That's a great one.
Marc:Mr. Rogers is pretty great.
Guest:That is the best baby face.
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:Totally.
Marc:So, yeah.
Marc:Mr. Rogers, I mean, just childhood friend of every child everywhere.
Marc:Not a bad bone in his body.
Guest:Do you know what's very interesting about that?
Guest:I remember thinking this when we watched that.
Guest:First, there was the documentary about him.
Guest:Then there was the one that was a fiction film where Tom Hanks played Mr. Rogers.
Guest:And after both of them, I was not thrilled with either of those movies.
Guest:They were fine.
Guest:But I didn't like... I expected it to be like totally a puddle of goo at the end of either one of them.
Guest:And it wasn't.
Guest:And I realized, you know what it is?
Guest:He's too good.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Like...
Guest:There's no sand in the Vaseline, right?
Guest:So you're watching this thing.
Guest:You're waiting for something to be the hitch.
Guest:Oh, he got hung up there, but he overcame.
Guest:No, he's just great.
Guest:He was the greatest.
Guest:Effortlessly a good guy.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:I think he wins.
Guest:I think, I mean, it's a great pick.
Guest:I mean, for now, now the Chris Reeve as Superman, here's why I picked him because there've been lots of people played Superman and I do think he's the best.
Guest:He's the characters, you know, you're getting a leg up with this pick because it's Superman, right?
Guest:He's just goodness, right?
Guest:Here's how you know how good Chris Reeve is as Superman.
Guest:Because by the time they got to the third movie, they had to make a bad Superman.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So he's supposed to be the opposite of Superman, right?
Guest:Superman, and then you have, when he gets touched with this essentially red kryptonite, it's green in the movie, but it's from comic book standpoint, it's red.
Guest:And he turns bad.
Guest:And you have to get to a scene where he fights himself, right?
Guest:Fight in a junkyard.
Guest:Good Superman versus bad Superman.
Guest:But what is bad Superman?
Guest:Bad Superman is just mildly a dick.
Guest:like he's not a serial killer because you could not do that you couldn't have like it couldn't be like remember logan where there's like wolverine and then bad wolverine like murders a whole family or something and like you could understand that because it's like berserker rage wolverine and then like this other wolverine who will just kill anybody has no code nothing
Guest:Superman is so good.
Guest:If you did that with a bad Superman, you'd be like, well, that's not really super.
Guest:Like, he can't go that bad because he's so good.
Guest:So instead, he's just like, yeah, I'm going to blow out the Olympic torch or I'm going to push the Leaning Tower of Pisa straight.
Marc:He is mildly a dick.
Marc:Although he's also mildly rapey.
Guest:Oh, yes, totally.
Guest:Although you feel like, you know, that's what a dick would do.
Guest:Like he just would not go take care of the bus going off the bridge.
Guest:He wants to get with Lana Lang.
Guest:You know, but like, yeah, I mean, again, it goes in with the character.
Guest:Like a real bad guy would have killed her in that moment.
Guest:He wasn't a real bad guy.
Guest:He's just an asshole.
Guest:You're just a dick.
Guest:Super asshole.
Guest:oh christopher reeve you were amazing he was he those are i'm very impressed with the mr rogers pick that's a great one nice uh okay best heel this is not just as we explained not just a villain but like the most entertaining possible villain a just a villain who's totally justified in their own mind which makes them super fun and compelling to watch because you know they just think
Guest:That they should win.
Guest:It's like how MJF is on wrestling these days.
Guest:Like, perfect villain.
Guest:Ric Flair was always a perfect heel because he just thought, I'm the best.
Guest:I should have all the best.
Guest:I should fly Learjets.
Guest:I should have these Rolex watches.
Guest:Like, it doesn't matter if I cheat.
Guest:I get to keep all this stuff.
Guest:Like, who is your version of that in life?
Marc:Could be anywhere in life.
Marc:I have Killmonger from Black Panther, the Black Panther movie.
Marc:That's a good one.
Marc:Yeah, Killmonger, son of a banished and executed prince.
Marc:He grew up poor.
Marc:He wanted to use Wakanda's advanced tech to give it to the people who've never had that advantage.
Marc:So yeah, Killmonger.
Marc:And he did it through murder.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, he did it through murder.
Marc:So that's the heel part.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He's also, it helps to have a very charismatic guy in the role.
Guest:Oh, for sure.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's my best deal.
Guest:How about you?
Guest:Do you have a best deal?
Guest:Well, I mean, like, it almost seems obvious that it should be Darth Vader.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Right?
Marc:Although...
Marc:What's his justifiable, like, what exactly, what's he trying to do exactly?
Marc:He's trying to kill his son?
Guest:Well, that's the problem, is that it's better in the original trilogy when the justification for it is he's part of the dark side, and the dark side thinks it should rule the galaxy.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:With the retconning of the prequels and everything, it's like for his lost love, right?
Guest:Right.
Guest:It's like, this is, he turned bad because he was told that in his rage, he killed his wife, which was not true, but it was lied to and manipulated and, oh, spare me.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, just.
Guest:bad guy thinks that the dark side should rule is great justification, right?
Guest:So it is why I give it some demerits as best villain.
Guest:In fact, it just started getting me thinking in terms of heels, like, well, then what is like a person in real life or in the movies or in shows, drama, who embraces that kind of wrestling heel role of like, they want this thing.
Guest:They're going to get it however they want to get it.
Guest:But like, they're kind of like, I'm not bad for doing this.
Guest:It's just what I do.
Guest:And the guy I kept coming back to is Hans Gruber.
Marc:Hans Gruber, the villain from the heel from Die Hard.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:I love it.
Marc:Tell me why.
Guest:One of the things I keep thinking of is that we went to see Die Hard in the movie theater about like three or four years ago, maybe before the pandemic.
Guest:And, uh,
Guest:his entrance, Alan Rickman's entrance in that as Hans Gruber is, uh, you know, they're having the party up in the tower and, uh, the, the, the van comes into the parking garage.
Guest:You hear the like hymn of joy playing in a minor key.
Guest:So here come the bad guys, right?
Guest:But you don't see them until, uh, the, the elevator doors open at the party and, uh, Hans Gruber steps out and the audience in mass says,
Guest:spontaneously applauded because this guy walked out.
Guest:It's just like, oh, okay.
Guest:Everyone loves this guy.
Guest:And there's no reason to love him.
Guest:He's bad.
Guest:He outright tells you, I'm just here.
Guest:And that's the other amazing thing.
Guest:He's just a thief.
Guest:He's there to steal money.
Guest:And this is the best way for him to steal money.
Guest:And fuck you for not thinking he's the best at this.
Guest:And because you don't think he's the best at this, he might have to kill you.
Guest:It's it's truly one of the great, most entertaining performances and characters Hans Gruber would fit right in in the world of wrestling as a great, great heel.
Marc:Yeah, that's a good one.
Marc:I had some honorable mentions, by the way.
Marc:Oh, let's hear him.
Marc:I had Ava from Ex Machina, which, by the way, I remember the first time I was telling you about this movie.
Marc:And I'm like, oh, this movie, Ex Machina.
Marc:I was like, nah, man, it's Ex Machina.
Marc:I was like, oh, man, I feel like an idiot.
Marc:Anyway, Ava, do you remember her?
Marc:Sure, but you consider her the heel?
Yeah.
Marc:Well, I mean, she ends up murdering a guy, so.
Marc:Yeah, but he's the heel, right?
Marc:Oscar Isaac.
Marc:Yeah, but I mean, I feel like, but Ava also like, you know, tricked everyone and then escaped right at the end.
Marc:Sure, sure.
Marc:But yeah, you're right.
Marc:I guess Oscar Isaac would be the real heel there.
Marc:Other heels, Trump, although again, not justifiable.
Marc:Not fun.
Marc:No.
Marc:Yeah, no.
Marc:Derek Jeter.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:For obvious reasons.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And Gore the God Butcher from the latest Thor movie.
Marc:I don't know if you ever saw that one.
Guest:I did.
Guest:I did not like the movie, so I don't even remember.
Guest:You're talking about Christian Bale?
Marc:Yeah, Christian Bale's character.
Guest:Okay.
Marc:Where he goes to kill all the gods and everything.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Which, you know, and it's because, like, oh, you know, his death.
Marc:daughter i think died and like this god was laughing at him and stuff so he just goes and starts killing gods which always always like i was always wondering it's like is there a deleted scene of of gore the god butcher just murdering jesus like is that a thing that i would be like it would be like that nick cave script for gladiator 2
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:What episode is that?
Marc:Is that episode?
Guest:It's the episode with Nick Cave.
Guest:I don't have the number.
Guest:But yeah, if you go back and listen to Mark's interview with Nick Cave, he tells in detail.
Guest:Really, it was like the first time he ever told it.
Guest:It has now been that you can find that on the Internet.
Guest:He's he's even released the script that he wrote.
Guest:But yeah, he told the story of writing the script for Gladiator 2, which he called Gladiator 2 Christ Killer.
Guest:That was the name of the script.
Guest:Episode 403 of WTF.
Guest:403.
Guest:There you go.
Guest:Just for you Full Marin listeners.
Guest:It's not available in the free feed.
Marc:By the way, there is a new Gladiator movie.
Marc:Is it?
Marc:Yeah, I know.
Marc:I'm so angry that it's not Gladiator Christkiller.
Marc:Damn it.
Marc:I was hoping.
Marc:But yeah, those are my honorable mentions for best deal.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, very good.
Guest:Now we have three more.
Guest:The next one is best hype.
Guest:This is the thing that got you most excited to see something.
Guest:And it could be anything.
Guest:Was it a trailer, a commercial, a video package, something?
Guest:Because in wrestling, the whole thing is hype.
Guest:Right.
Guest:The whole intention is to get you to ultimately pay for a big match or watch a big match on television, give them a good rating.
Guest:And they do this by hyping all the time.
Guest:You're going to see this.
Guest:This is going to be amazing.
Guest:So what was the thing for you, which is this is very American.
Guest:This is what we basically how the economy works is by hyping you on something.
Guest:What was the best hype for you in your life?
Marc:There are two possibilities here.
Marc:I couldn't pick between and they both have to do with Tom Cruise, by the way.
Marc:There might be some recency bias, but it's the latest Mission Impossible trailer where Tom Cruise jumps off a mountain with a motorcycle and then the trailer for Top Gun Maverick.
Marc:Let's fucking go.
Guest:I love those things.
Guest:You were psyched, huh?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Are you talking about watching the trailer for Top Gun Maverick, like when it was first out, like pre-pandemic?
Guest:Or are you talking about like when it came out, when the movie was actually had a release date?
Guest:When the movie had the release date.
Marc:I was in the theater.
Marc:And I mean, when the gongs were like vibrating, it was awesome.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Very good.
Guest:Cause yeah, that, well, I, I bet you that there's a reason for that feeling like such a satisfying hype moment too.
Guest:That was like the return to movie.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Return to normalcy for sure.
Guest:You knew, right.
Guest:You knew, okay.
Guest:Good things are coming once again.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:For me, it's also a movie trailer.
Guest:And this seems a little weird, but I was trying to think about like, oh, I must get hyped up by movie trailers or something.
Guest:I was trying to think, what is the one that got me the most excited?
Guest:And by excited, I had to really think about like, is that just because I wanted to see it?
Guest:No, like this, I saw the trailer and then was like, I must...
Guest:learn everything about this and i can't like i'll count the days till it comes out and i you know basically uh put it on my calendar as like we're going to this opening day i remember being in a theater to see lord of the rings one of the chapters of that and the poster for this was there and i pointed out to my friend and i was like that's my lord of the rings like that's the thing i want to go see and it was the first trailer for punch drunk love oh wow i don't remember this trailer this this
Guest:I mean, the trailer is amazing.
Guest:But it was more that I hadn't heard about it.
Guest:Like, I hadn't heard this thing had been made.
Guest:And all of a sudden, here's this trailer.
Guest:And it's Adam Sandler.
Guest:And he's, like, looking like he's acting fairly serious.
Guest:Even though it seemed like it was supposed to be a comedy.
Guest:I'm like, what is this Adam Sandler?
Guest:I loved Adam Sandler movies.
Guest:I was fine with Adam Sandler.
Guest:It wasn't, like, that I was surprised that he would be in something like this.
Guest:But it looked intriguing.
Guest:The way it was shot.
Guest:It looked like Stanley Kubrick.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then when it said from – it said like, you know, Cannes Film Festival entrant or something.
Guest:And then it said from Paul Thomas Anderson.
Guest:I was like, oh, my God.
Guest:Like, he made a movie with Adam Sandler?
Guest:I just could not – my brain was short-circuited in that moment.
Guest:Like, what –
Guest:And I was so psyched for this.
Guest:And I saw that movie the day it opened and it did not disappoint.
Guest:Like that's another thing about hype paying off.
Guest:I'm sure the same thing with Top Gun Maverick for you.
Guest:Like I was totally into everything about that movie, Punch Drunk Love, totally satisfied and still love it today.
Guest:Still love everything Paul Thomas Anderson has done.
Guest:And yeah, that was a very unique, it's not typical, but it was a unique hype moment for me.
Marc:Nice.
Marc:That's a great one.
Marc:That's really good.
Marc:I have a hype moment while I was on my couch, and it's the bridge scene from the movie RRR, where the two main protagonists meet each other.
Marc:There's a kid stuck under a burning tanker, and the two protagonists forge a plan without using any words, by the way, to save the kid.
Marc:And if that scene doesn't get you hyped, you don't have a pulse, honestly.
Guest:Well, also, I would say that it wasn't for me personally.
Guest:I just kind of laughed.
Guest:But the theater I saw that in, the audience popped.
Guest:There were probably people who that could qualify for their biggest pop in their life at the end of that scene.
Guest:Because that scene is like 45 minutes into the movie.
Guest:And the scene ends with these two guys hanging off a bridge and they just successfully save this kid's life.
Guest:They clasp hands like in a handshake.
Guest:And then the opening credits start.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I want to flip this table over right now just thinking about it.
Guest:It's so good.
Guest:The people around me in the theater were screaming that the opening credits were starting then.
Marc:That's the best.
Marc:That's the fucking best.
Marc:I love when you do that.
Marc:45 minutes into the movie.
Marc:That's great.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Last two and second to last here, which is a very important thing in wrestling.
Guest:But when you really apply it into life, it could be almost anything.
Guest:It is best promo, right?
Guest:In wrestling, it's very simple.
Guest:It's like, you know, a person gets on the mic and they tell the audience or tell the camera or tell another wrestler, this is what they believe.
Guest:But what I'm qualifying for this in the world, in life, is really just a monologue of
Guest:by a character or a real person.
Guest:But if it's a real person, they legit have to be like speaking to someone else.
Guest:And this is a situation where you just lay it all out, lay it on the line and just totally sell whatever it is you're talking about.
Guest:What's your selection for best promo?
Marc:I got some honorable mentions, but for me, it will always be Michael Keaton in the paper talking to the New York Sentinel editor.
Marc:It is just chef's kiss.
Marc:It is the best promo.
Guest:This is why we're friends.
Marc:You said the same thing?
Guest:I picked the exact... We had a choice to pick anything in the world.
Guest:Anything ever in the world.
Guest:And you and I picked the exact same thing from a movie very few people have seen.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Guess fucking what?
Guest:Ron Howard's 1994 film.
Guest:And yes, this is Michael Keaton as the Metro editor of the New York Sun telling the editor of the New York Sentinel, which is supposed to be the New York Times, played by Spalding Gray,
Guest:that basically is telling him what he thinks about him and the paper he works for and life in general.
Guest:And why don't we hear Michael Keaton do that?
Guest:Look, I'm trying to be reasonable here.
Guest:Why don't you just take my wallet as well, hey?
Guest:Let me say something.
Guest:Well, I hope you're satisfied, asshole.
Guest:You just blew your chance to cover the world.
Really?
Guest:Well, guess fucking what?
Guest:I don't really fucking care.
Guest:You want to know fucking why?
Guest:Because I don't fucking live in the fucking world!
Guest:I live in fucking New York City!
Guest:So go fuck yourself!
Marc:Yes, let's go.
Marc:That's the best fucking moment.
Guest:You know, I think it applies to us primarily as New Yorkers.
Guest:But I do think that like people can, you know, just take the spirit of Michael Keaton in this scene and apply it to your life at any point.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:I remember I shoehorned that into a promo for Rachel Maddow, I think, where I just bleeped all of the words out.
Marc:Or no, you know what?
Marc:I think Rachel used to ask for an audio clip before she starts talking to start a show.
Marc:And I would sometimes play that thing, just bleeped out.
Marc:It was great.
Guest:She was okay with that?
Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Oh, great.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What are some of your honorable mentions?
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:There were a bunch of good ones.
Marc:The End of Michael Clayton.
Marc:George Clooney, The End of Michael Clayton.
Marc:Really loved that one.
Guest:Oh, his I'm Not the Guy You Kill, I'm the Guy You Buy.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Just all-timer.
Marc:Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday, The Locker Room Scene.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's almost like a wrestling promo.
Guest:Yes, it is.
Marc:Straight up.
Marc:Jimmy V at the 1993 ESPY Awards.
Guest:Oh, that's great.
Guest:That's a good one.
Guest:That's a promo on cancer.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Like he promoted cancer.
Guest:Just totally like right in its face.
Marc:Also, there was a guy throughout it.
Marc:He's like, oh, look at this.
Marc:I got 30 seconds.
Marc:You think I care about this?
Marc:I got 30 seconds.
Marc:I got tumors all over my body.
Marc:This guy thinks I care.
Marc:Just really great shit.
Marc:And then the end of 25th Hour, Brian Cox.
Guest:oh yeah yeah talking about what what could happen to your life if you had taken a different path yes i mean yeah that is that's some good shit man i just those are my best promo nominees those are great promos okay uh last thing here and this is this was i found this to be the toughest one of all of them was coming up with the best finish
Guest:Now, the finish in a wrestling context is just the ending, the end of the match.
Guest:How do you finish the match?
Guest:But like we're talking about the best, which means it's exactly the perfect ending for what is being called for at that time.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, I'm sure you can think of dozens of things you've seen that have great endings, fantastic endings.
Guest:But is it perfect?
Guest:based on what has come before.
Guest:I think, like, I wouldn't pick this one, but I think a lot of people's choice of, like, the most perfect ending, which actually has the word perfect in it, is the ending of Some Like It Hot, right?
Guest:When they're going away on the boat and Jack Lemmon says, I'm not going to be a good spouse for you.
Guest:Oh, no, it's okay.
Guest:I'll never be able to have children.
Guest:No, we'll adopt.
Guest:I'm a man.
Guest:Nobody's perfect, right?
Guest:Exactly what you need out of an ending.
Guest:I have a different choice.
Guest:I'll go first, and then you can go, Chris.
Guest:Mine is the very last scene of, what was it, six seasons, seven seasons of Mad Men.
Guest:Don Draper, who we have seen for the entirety of the show, throughout the entire decade of the 60s, a person who is not a real person, has invented himself from whole cloth, has used this medium of advertising to basically do the same thing he's done for himself.
Guest:Conceal who he is, create a fake persona, and do that for America.
Guest:Sell America on Netflix.
Guest:Everything it doesn't really need.
Guest:Everything that isn't really good for it.
Guest:He will sell it to you.
Guest:He will make it seem right.
Guest:Because that's what he did for himself.
Guest:And in doing that for himself over the course of the 10 years in which that show takes place, he hates himself.
Guest:He hates everything about life.
Guest:He has tremendous mental illness, tremendous trauma that hasn't been resolved.
Guest:It all leads to him potentially killing himself in this last episode, were he not to go to this retreat for wellness.
Guest:People sitting and thinking and getting in touch with their inner selves, like part of the hippie movement, I'm sure, but there's a lot more Eastern religion based to it.
Guest:And the last scene of this show where he's basically given everything up and he's sitting there on a hill cross-legged in a yoga pose as the person around him repeats a mantra and tells him to find inner peace with himself.
Guest:And then they start ringing a gong and the gong is going off.
Guest:And at the last gong, a smile comes across Don Draper's face as he sits among these people, all being one with themselves and feeling their energy around them.
Guest:And the crossfade happens between this shot that you're seeing
Guest:the very very famous coca-cola commercial i'd like to buy the world of coke which he has now in the universe of the show thought up on that moment and will begin the cycle anew like a modern taxi driver where it's just gonna happen all over again because this is america that is the perfect ending i
Guest:I would say perfect.
Guest:The only thing even close to it is the ending of The Sopranos, which Matthew Weiner was a writer on.
Guest:And yes, I mean, a beautiful, beautiful, wonderful ending to a great show.
Guest:And I would consider it the perfect ending.
Marc:Beautiful.
Marc:That's very controversial.
Marc:I remember at the time it wasn't universally beloved, but I agree.
Marc:It is the perfect ending to a show, especially that show.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I also picked a show that was on for a few seasons, five seasons.
Marc:I bet I know what it is.
Marc:Is it the end of Six Feet Under?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's what I figured it was.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:It is hands down the best ending to a television show ever.
Marc:It fits that show to a T. The entire show, it's about a funeral parlor family and the...
Marc:The last scene is set to Sia, a song by Sia.
Marc:I forget what song it is, but I love it.
Marc:Is it the Breathe Me song?
Marc:Yeah, Breathe Me.
Marc:And in the song, you see each main character's death.
Marc:Just like every episode of the show starts with a death of someone who ends up in the funeral parlor.
Marc:And their name and the date that they were born and the date that they died shows up on the screen.
Marc:And throughout this song, you see all those characters' deaths.
Marc:And it is brilliant and perfect, perfect ending.
Guest:Did it include little Dinky Daffy pancake by drunk dump truck driver?
Yeah.
Marc:Someone has to re-edit that please.
Marc:Just put that into the end of Six Feet Under.
Guest:In memoriams don't usually show how they die.
Guest:Well, I didn't watch that show.
Guest:So, you know, you have talked that up for a long time.
Guest:And I would, you know, it was really that was a that was a casualty of doing Morning Sedition for me.
Guest:I just never got around to watching it because I just had such limited time.
Guest:in terms of taking anything in and going to bed at 7 o'clock.
Guest:And anything that I watched on a regular basis had to be pretty strictly routinized.
Guest:So yeah, it's just why I never really got into Six Feet Under, no other reason.
Guest:People love that show, and the ending is always very highly talked about.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, it's universally beloved.
Marc:Some honorable mentions, though.
Marc:2020 election, that was the best finish.
Marc:Really perfect ending there.
Marc:Also, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Guest:I mean, that's like a double perfect.
Guest:It's like it's like he took the perfect ending that should have happened in life.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, yeah.
Guest:So you get like the perfect ending of this movie, but then the ideal ending of how that story should have ended.
Guest:Exactly.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So those are my honorable mentions for that.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, I'm very happy with our lists, and I think that people listening, think about these yourselves.
Guest:I'm sure there are lots of things in your life that match up with these categories, and when you understand them in your life, maybe it helps you understand, I don't know, us, a person in your life who likes wrestling, people listening to this who like wrestling.
Guest:This is why they like it, because it has these very fundamental things that happen all the time, and they just kind of get distilled and codified into this weird show with people wrestling in their underwear.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And you know what?
Marc:Send your list in.
Marc:I want to know what people's best promo is, you know?
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:I'll read these again.
Guest:Best pop, best heat, best baby face, best heel, best hype, best promo, best finish.
Guest:Yeah, let us know what yours are.
Guest:Speaking of sending stuff in, I want to draw attention to this.
Guest:Someone sent this in, did not put a name on it, but if you sent this, you know it's you.
Guest:We talked last week about the idea of the casket match.
Guest:And the casket match we talked about was with Undertaker and Yokozuna.
Guest:And I said, I don't think casket matches existed before The Undertaker.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:Well, that was 1994.
Guest:Someone sent in a link of a match from 1980 in the NWA, National Wrestling Alliance, Sam Houston Coliseum in Texas.
Guest:This was Dusty Rhodes versus Ivan Koloff in what they called a coffin match, coffin flop match.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And...
Guest:And the insane thing about this was, if you watch this, at the beginning, they give the rules and say, this is Texas deathmatch rules.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Where you had to pin the guy, and then the guy had to answer a 10 count.
Guest:If he didn't answer a 10 count, the match is over, and then he'd have to be taken out of the ring in the coffin.
Guest:Now, I have to ask you something, Chris.
Guest:Did you watch this match?
Guest:Yeah, I sure did.
Guest:Did the match play out like that?
Guest:No.
Guest:No, it did not.
Guest:In fact...
Guest:It played out the way the Undertaker matches play out, where at the end, you put a guy in the casket.
Guest:And then they ring the bell.
Guest:I mean, that's it.
Guest:Why did you have all these other rules, guys?
Guest:Also, the casket was in the ring.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Why?
Marc:I'm sorry.
Marc:People, people think that Vince McMahon is this like genius, but you know what?
Marc:He just was like, Hey, let's put the fucking casket on the side of the ring.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Don't put it inside the ring where you're going to bump on it.
Guest:What are you crazy?
Yeah.
Guest:In fact, the bumping factored into the finish because they like put dusty roads on it or near it.
Guest:And Ivan Koloff jumped off the rope and destroyed his leg on the casket.
Guest:There's no way to do what he did and not just cream your shin bone, which is where he came down on the thing.
Guest:And then he stands up and big old dust gives him the bionic elbow, flip flop and fly.
Guest:And the guy,
Guest:falls into the casket.
Guest:Not flat back either.
Guest:He had to do a sideways jump so that he would land perfectly into this casket, which, by the way, Dusty Rhodes never would have fit in this casket.
Marc:Could never fit.
Marc:Could never fit.
Marc:I don't even understand it.
Marc:Just looking at it, I'm like, what am I missing here?
Marc:This guy is never going to lose this match.
Marc:He can't fit his ass in it.
Guest:Thank you for that.
Guest:We'll put the link in the episode description.
Guest:This is from YouTube.
Guest:You can watch the Dusty Rhodes Ivan Koloff casket match.
Guest:I thought it was very fun, actually.
Guest:We're talking about it like it was, you know, being flabbergasted by it, but I enjoyed it very much.
Marc:It was fun.
Marc:It was also very 70s.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:There was no barricade between the ring and the audience, which was insane, especially because the bad guy, he cuts himself and now he's bleeding everywhere.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:And there are just fans right there.
Guest:There was lots of blood from both guys.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:At one point, the bad guy takes off his boot and starts hitting Dusty with it.
Marc:And it just reveals that he's wearing this really 70s white sock with a multicolor at the top.
Marc:It was just like this old gym sock that he's wearing.
Marc:It was just, yeah, very, very 70s.
Guest:All right, let's run through real quick the best thing we saw this week, which, I mean, the Dusty Rhodes-Ivan Koloff casket match could qualify, but it's not for me.
Guest:What was your best thing?
Marc:Oh, it was the Pillars tag team match.
Guest:Oh, this is on AEW Dynamite.
Guest:You had Jungle Boy and Darby Allin versus MJF and Sammy Guevara with a lot of choking with the Burberry scarf.
Marc:really great choking and honestly really well choreographed.
Marc:If the main event of Double or Nothing is anything like this, I can't wait because it's going to be really good.
Guest:Well, I have my best thing on the same show, AEW Dynamite, and we'll put the links in the episode description if you want to see them.
Guest:I could have picked a few things from this, a few little things that really amused me.
Guest:One of them was Chris Jericho, who is on commentary, who I love when he's on commentary.
Guest:And at one point,
Guest:He's doing this thing where he's mocking the guy, Adam Cole, who he's going up against for not protecting his girlfriend from Chris Jericho.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Chris Jericho orchestrated her getting beat up by these other women.
Guest:And he's now saying this guy is a terrible guy because he didn't he didn't do anything about it.
Guest:And at one point he says, I don't want to have anything to do with someone who wouldn't protect his woman.
Yeah.
Guest:I have no idea why he said woman.
Guest:And it killed me.
Guest:I laughed so hard at that.
Guest:The other thing that was very small that I laughed very hard at was there was this battle royal with tag teams.
Guest:And the Lucha Brothers were in there.
Guest:And the Lucha Brother guy goes up against one of the guys from the Acclaimed.
Guest:And the Lucha Brother guy, Penta, he does a thing where he says...
Guest:Zero miedo.
Guest:No fear.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And he does it by making like a zero sign with his fingers.
Guest:And then he turns his fingers upside down and makes an M. Right.
Guest:Well, he did that to the guy from the Acclaim who promptly scissored him in the hand from underneath.
Guest:If you don't know what that means, I'm not going to explain it.
Guest:But anybody who's a fan of this knows exactly what I'm talking about and why that was funny.
Guest:But my favorite moment was actually the sketch that they did at the Briscoe farm, the chicken farm, where Jay Lethal, Jeff Jarrett, Sanjay Dutt, and Sutnam Singh showed up to help out at the farm.
Guest:And this gigantic Indian, he's seven foot whatever.
Guest:He's a legit giant wearing coveralls.
Guest:And these guys, you know, shoveling manure and singing Kumbaya on the porch with the guitar.
Guest:And that this all was leading up to the fact that they are trying to get this guy to tell them the secrets of...
Guest:Of FTR, who he has once beaten so that they can beat the FTR for the tag titles.
Guest:This is great wrestling comedy.
Guest:You can watch it if you haven't seen it.
Guest:I'll put the link in the episode description.
Guest:This was one of those things where I don't love it when they go away from the wrestling ring and the arena.
Guest:You start getting out into the real world.
Guest:It gets very silly and very non-believable fast.
Guest:This was great.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Awesome.
Guest:Good choice.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, we'll wrap it up here.
Guest:I got to go celebrate my son's birthday.
Guest:But I will say next week, Chris, I am going to talk to someone.
Guest:It's someone you don't know.
Guest:And so the way this is going to go is I'm going to wind up speaking to this person.
Guest:Then I'll let you hear the interview and we can talk about it because now then you will get to know him much like people listening will get to know him.
Guest:And I think there might be people.
Guest:who are listening to this right now, who subscribe to this, who are like me and know this guy.
Guest:And if you do know this guy, like me, he probably seems like a member of the family.
Guest:Like you probably know him so well that he's like mythic.
Guest:Like you can't believe he's actually a real person amongst the world.
Guest:And so I will only say that for those of you in the know, I will be speaking to Big Vinny V.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:You can look up who that is.
Guest:Maybe you'll find it.
Guest:Maybe you won't.
Guest:But Big Vinny V will be my guest next week.
Guest:And then Chris and I will talk about that.
Guest:And so this has been The Friday Show.
Guest:I'm Brendan.
Guest:That's Chris.
Guest:Happy birthday, Owen.
Guest:Peace.