BONUS The Friday Show - Bobby and Gorilla
Guest:rick flair attacks uh the undertaker which makes bobby freak out again like why are you doing this everything's going down the toilet oh and gorilla very gently says to him why don't you go down there and show some mercy brain throw the towel in
Marc:Chris.
Marc:Brandon, I got my exploding sneakers on.
Marc:Let's talk some wrestling.
Guest:Oh, exploding sneakers.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:One of the greatest gimmicks I've ever seen in a wrestling match, for sure.
Guest:Never seen that.
Guest:Yes, there was an exploding sneaker in a wrestling match we saw this weekend.
Guest:We will get to wrestling shortly, but first I have to ask you, did you listen to the William Shatner WTF yet?
Marc:Oh, absolutely.
Marc:And I'll tell you, I'm going to plan on listening to it again, because there's just so much in there.
Guest:When it was over, I said to Mark, I wish you went another hour with him.
Guest:I really wanted it to be longer.
Marc:It was incredible, incredible stuff.
Guest:It's so great.
Guest:Everything I said last week came true in my mind.
Guest:I hadn't listened to the full episode yet, but it was all exactly what I was predicting.
Guest:That Mark was going to treat this guy the way he treats his dad.
Guest:And he is going to bust his balls, but be gentle about it and playful and let the guy bust his balls.
Guest:And they were going to laugh about it.
Guest:And it was like that way from Jump Street.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Like, right away.
Guest:Like, I couldn't love it more.
Guest:And I had...
Guest:This reaction listening to it that I've only gotten a few times in the history of doing this show, there's sometimes... Don't get me wrong.
Guest:I get it that this is an amazing job.
Guest:It will always be.
Guest:I will always have gotten away with murder by doing this.
Guest:But sometimes you just get an episode and you just listen and you do it and I don't think much about it.
Guest:And that's just because of anything where you do thousands, hundreds of times into the thousands, right?
Mm-hmm.
Guest:Sometimes I'm like, you know, and it's basically because of the way I do the show, like I get the audio and, you know, he'll say something to me, but sometimes he's not accurately representing what happened.
Guest:And then I start listening to it and I'm like, are you kidding me?
Guest:Like, this is the episode?
Guest:This is what we got?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:that's insane like anyone who has ever been responsible of recording something whether it's audio or video or anything they knows that feeling like where you've got something like wait a second i'm getting this like this is mine that i recorded bernan you're basically the audio guy from the jinx uh getting on on on audio i killed them all did it
Marc:Totally.
Guest:Totally.
Guest:With the burping and everything.
Guest:Yes, absolutely.
Guest:And it's funny.
Guest:It's like, you know, people would wonder, oh, is that like how it felt with Obama?
Guest:It was different with Obama because it was a rare episode I was there for live.
Guest:So it was in the moment it's happening and I'm going like...
Guest:Oh my God, this is crazy.
Guest:Obama and him, they're talking right away about just, you know, Richard Pryor or whatever.
Guest:Like this is nuts.
Guest:Like, but that's a live in the moment thing.
Guest:I'm talking about these moments like this, where like I'm handed something like you're saying, you like get this audio.
Guest:Oh, I guess I'll go listen to this.
Guest:What?
Guest:How is this on here?
Guest:How did we record this?
Guest:That is exactly what happened with the Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio audio, especially because he was, Mark was freaking out about it.
Guest:Oh, I fucked it up.
Guest:Audio problems.
Guest:And I thought, oh man, that's too bad.
Guest:Like we're going to have this.
Guest:you know, great opportunity and it's, it's not going to have panned out.
Guest:And I started, it's like, I was listening to it like within five seconds.
Guest:I made sure to put it in the episode, even though you couldn't really hear it that well, he's Mark setting up his mics.
Guest:He's got them rolling and, but he's on the other side of the room and Brad Pitt bursts in.
Guest:He's like, you know, he's at the doorway far away.
Guest:And he's like, Mr. Mark Maron, this is cool as shit.
Guest:That's great.
Guest:I was like, oh my God, this is how it's starting?
Guest:Right.
Guest:It was like, that was like that.
Guest:And Letterman, like just all of a sudden, like I'm listening.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:David Letterman.
Guest:And then here it is.
Guest:It's like the two of them in Mark's house.
Guest:That was when they were recording in the house, when the garage was under construction.
Guest:So it was like in the house, just sitting.
Guest:They're just chit-chatting about comedy store stuff.
Guest:And I'm like, oh my God, this is it.
Guest:This is David Letterman.
Guest:That's awesome.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Lorne Michaels.
Guest:That was another one.
Marc:Was there anything that you were even thinking about cutting like the tax stuff?
Marc:Like, oh, good Lord.
Marc:No.
Guest:In fact, it's one of those weird episodes where there's stuff I would have cut in other episodes.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But in this one, I absolutely left it in.
Guest:Like there's sometimes, and I cut it because I think it's slightly unfair to the guest, is that sometimes Mark is, the guest is talking and Mark is slightly distracted by something.
Guest:He might be distracted by the, you know, the levels on his computer.
Guest:He might be trying to find a note so that he can follow up on something.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I'm not talking about anything that's specific to Mark.
Guest:Anyone doing an interview will do this, right?
Guest:They will, you know, kind of mentally put the person talking on pause.
Guest:And, you know, then you kind of, in hindsight, catch up with what they said.
Guest:Once you have your notes in front of you, once you've fixed whatever the issue was, maybe he got a DM, who knows, but he can be distracted.
Guest:And sometimes when he does that, it's, it's audible.
Guest:Like he'll like the person be talking and he'll be like, yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:like it's kind of dismissively like to fill this space, but he, I can tell he's not listening.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And so I will often, most at all the time, cut that out because I think it's not fair.
Guest:It's not fair to the guest to sound like the Mark is bored.
Guest:It's not fair to Mark to make him seem bored.
Guest:He's not, I know what he's doing, but I just found it so perfect at sometimes with Shatner, just bloviating on and leave that in Mark being like,
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Towards the end when Bark was trying to land the plane, there were like seven.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yup.
Marc:Just right in a row.
Marc:Just like, ah, finish up.
Marc:Finish up, please.
Marc:So good.
Guest:my favorite part that was toward the end there was when they were talking about the NFT and he starts telling him, he starts telling him about it, that it's this unique thing, this, this piece of art that it represents him.
Guest:And then there will be a physical representation too, in the form of this doll and this, that people will be able to have the NFT and the doll.
Guest:And Mark's like, so, uh, this doll, that's like, uh, like an action figure.
Guest:just like it was like this five minute soliloquy about the nft and he just immediately undercuts it so as a doll it's like uh like an action figure and then he goes on and on still to an undeterred telling oh yeah well yes but it's it's this and it's unique and it and then they stop talking about it and mark goes well yeah sounds like that's gonna work out very well for you
Guest:And the guy doesn't care.
Guest:He's like, you know, like undeterred.
Guest:It was the perfect dynamic.
Guest:I couldn't be more in love with it.
Guest:It's definitely, like I said to Mark, one of the best ones we've ever done.
Guest:And I mean that.
Guest:I don't mean it in like a recency thing.
Guest:Like it will go up on the shelf with some of the great episodes we have done.
Guest:It really is.
Marc:One of my favorite, a couple of my favorite moments, him saying, I was on the cover of Vegetarian Magazine.
Guest:Like, what magazine is that?
Guest:First of all.
Marc:But also, Mark saying, oh, first divorce?
Marc:And his response, fuck.
Marc:He goes, fuck you.
Marc:We're at cruising altitude, folks.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:We are here.
Yeah.
Guest:Yes, this is the part on the Enterprise where the autopilot has it and they're like down in the holodeck or whatever.
Guest:Yes, absolutely.
Marc:Just really great stuff.
Marc:I got to say, him describing his watch, I actually Googled what his watch is.
Guest:You looked it up?
Marc:Yeah, it actually looks great.
Marc:It looks like a fun watch.
Marc:I would never purchase it.
Marc:It's way too expensive for me.
Marc:I wouldn't wear a Casio watch.
Marc:I wouldn't wear a watch.
Guest:I don't like them.
Marc:I have a phone for that now.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I do love him.
Guest:He's like, but oh, but it's not a watch.
Guest:It's a work of art.
Guest:And, you know, it's like the way he says it, you're like kind of convinced.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:Him going on and on about Earth being a living thing, except it can't reproduce itself, which I thought was a fascinating thought experiment.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:Well, I got to imagine that part of the reason why he's so, he's like, you know, you listen to that and then other people who meet him and talk to him, oh, he doesn't seem 92.
Guest:It's got to be because his brain's always going.
Guest:Like it's, I mean, obviously it's genetics and whatnot, but his, like, you know, they talk about that often about like engaging your brain and keep from certain elements of aging from setting in and deterioration.
Guest:And his brain is always engaged.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And, man, Mark and William Shatner had a great comedy duo to them where, like, Mark's, like, saying, like, awing at him for being Canadian.
Marc:It's like, oh, that's amazing.
Marc:You can get out.
Marc:And Shatner's like, oh, why is everyone talking about getting out?
Marc:Like, who wants to get out?
Marc:And, like, you know, I'm Canadian because, you know, I care for my kids and their kids.
Marc:And, like, oh, well, why is that?
Marc:Well, in case they want to get out, you know?
Yeah.
Marc:Just really, like, you should write this down to be a scene in a sitcom because it is so good.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, it's very appropriate that you're bringing that up based on what we're going to talk about today.
Guest:And I'm going to get to the wrestling portion of the program fairly quickly here.
Guest:So if you're listening because you like us talking about WTF stuff and you're not really on board for the wrestling stuff, you can bow out here because...
Guest:The rest of it is going to be wrestling-oriented, something in the past.
Guest:However, based on what we just talked about, about these kind of indirect comedy duos, maybe you'd be interested in this because it really is one of the great teams of all time.
Guest:I will also say that we got some messages from listeners asking us to talk about Succession now that it's over.
Guest:And I think Chris and I absolutely can do that.
Guest:I will let you know, programming note, however...
Guest:Mark and I are going to do a succession pod next week for the bonus episode.
Guest:So enjoy that.
Guest:We will do it kind of in the structure of our Sopranos one where we look kind of deeply at particular episodes, but also a kind of overview of the show.
Guest:So that'll be the bonus stuff.
Guest:But right now we're going to get to something that we were going to get to last week.
Guest:And what wound up happening was Excalibur became available to us as a guest.
Guest:We obviously did not want to pass that up.
Guest:But then I didn't want to ignore what Chris and I were planning to do in the first place, which was based on a listener's suggestion of what are your favorite commentary teams on wrestling?
Guest:I asked Chris if he could come up with what his favorite commentary grouping was.
Guest:And I did the same.
Guest:And we both came up with the same one.
Guest:And that is Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby the Brain Heenan.
Guest:And I don't think it's a strange coincidence that we did.
Guest:They are clearly the best one.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:I mean, for me, I mean, you know, you don't know this about me, but I had a terrible stuttering problem as a kid.
Marc:So I didn't really talk to too many people growing up.
Marc:And I just kind of absorbed everything.
Marc:I was like a sponge and watched just a bunch of television, bunch of wrestling.
Marc:And
Marc:I basically, when I, you know, after speech therapy, I was able to talk, I sort of, you know, took on some character traits of things that I've absorbed.
Marc:And one of which was Bobby the Brain Heenan, I think, because a lot of my cousins, they still think that I'm kind of a dick.
Marc:And it's because I was basically just doing Bobby the Brain Heenan, like, you know, character traits on them as a
Guest:Well, like that's interesting you say that because you are a very kind of quick witted person.
Guest:You're fast on the response with something, quick on the draw.
Guest:And I would bet that that's a learned trait.
Guest:I mean, as much as just being part of your personality, if you spent a lot of time listening to, you know, someone have a quick rejoinder to something, your brain's going to start to be geared that way.
Guest:I mean, it's like, it doesn't have to be a wrestling commentary team.
Guest:It could be Bugs Bunny.
Guest:Like if you're watching a lot of Looney Tunes, you start to notice, oh, the patter or the Simpsons.
Guest:My son, you know, he grew up watching the Simpsons and he talks, I can tell sometimes in jokes that are structured out of the Simpsons, which is kind of like Conan O'Brien brain stuff, you know, like these like little absurdist rejoinders to things.
Guest:So that's not surprising to me.
Guest:And, and you're watching wrestling as a kid and
Guest:This is essentially to you as the age that you're at then watching a children's show.
Guest:But there are these adults doing this like adult comedy duo on there at the same time.
Guest:It's definitely a little starter project.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:It was...
Marc:It was definitely my fundamental years.
Marc:And man, I'm so glad I had these two giants to be my sort of, you know, sort of like the background to this entertaining wrestling show.
Guest:I mean, I remember some things that I heard from Bobby Heenan when I was a kid that I still use to this day.
Guest:Like, if I hear a piece of music that's terrible, I will say, based on Bobby Heenan saying this, he would say it if a wrestler came out who was a good guy, and Bobby Heenan's the bad guy, and he's trying to knock down the wrestlers.
Guest:Instead of saying, this guy stinks, or I hate this guy...
Guest:He'd say, it's like Tito Santana.
Guest:He's like, oh, you know, Tito Santana's music.
Guest:That's my second favorite song.
Guest:And Gorilla Monsoon would say, it's your second favorite.
Guest:What's your favorite?
Guest:He goes, all the rest are tied.
Marc:You've definitely said that to me about many, many different things.
That's great.
Guest:uh-huh and it's a bobby heenan there's another great bobby heenan one-liner that he would use like about these about like jobber type guys that like like let's say it's like uh barry horowitz was out in the ring he'd be like you know barry horowitz said it would take a good man to beat him just wouldn't take him very long so
Guest:Well, so Gorilla Monsoon, in case you don't know who we're talking about here, was a famous wrestler with the WWWF.
Guest:He was employed by Vince Sr., Vince McMahon Sr., and such a loyal person in the business, he actually owned part of the business and then sold his shares when Vince wanted to sell the company to Vince Jr.,
Guest:Not really a junior, but we'll call him junior just to keep it straight.
Guest:And because Gorilla Monsoon gave up his shares, he was promised lifetime employment.
Guest:Like that was basically it.
Guest:Yeah, you're going to be around forever.
Guest:Don't worry, Gorilla, you're around.
Guest:And one of the things they had with Guerrilla at first was he was like the backstage producer.
Guest:In fact, he when he stood right at the entrance to the arena where nowadays a guy like Tony Khan or Triple H sits on headset and directs the show.
Guest:Essentially, Vince had been there the whole time.
Guest:Vince had been around backstage and that spot.
Guest:because of where Gorilla Monsoon stood and directed the show from there, it has been called the Gorilla Position.
Guest:They always call it that.
Guest:And sometimes people even shorthand it.
Guest:Oh, we'll go back to Gorilla and we'll, you know, talk to so-and-so back there.
Guest:So that was Gorilla's main role.
Guest:And then he started kind of filtering out into they needed a guy to do announcing on camera.
Guest:It's like any kind of sporting event where you get an old athlete retired and then he becomes an on air guy.
Guest:But Gorilla had like a way about him where he could actually run the play by play and be like the host of the show.
Guest:He called everything a happening.
Guest:It's a happening going on here.
Guest:Well, go fans hanging from the rafters.
Guest:He had a great voice.
Guest:Gorilla, weirdly, as much as it seems strange because his name is Gorilla and he's this big hulking guy, he was a very good straight man.
Guest:Just like, this is a guy who should be like Ed McMahon.
Guest:He's like the host of Star Search, right?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:That's what I was going to mention.
Guest:Ed McMahon, for sure.
Guest:There you go.
Guest:Perfect.
Guest:Perfect.
Guest:Well, then along comes Bobby Heenan from the AWA.
Guest:They bring him in around 1984.
Guest:He actually comes in to manage Jesse the Body Ventura.
Guest:That's his first job coming in.
Guest:Now, Bobby had already been a manager.
Guest:He had been a wrestler at one point, but...
Guest:He actually just didn't have the body type to be a wrestler long term and transitioned into being a manager where he was great, a great talker, great personality.
Guest:And because he was so good at this stuff, they wind up putting Bobby and Gorilla on...
Guest:a show called Primetime Wrestling.
Guest:This was in 1986.
Guest:It was two hours that they had on USA Network, on basic cable.
Guest:No one had basic cable back then.
Guest:It was a very small audience.
Guest:And so it was this kind of like toss-off thing.
Guest:Here's a way we're going to keep getting airtime around the country.
Guest:And they would do... It was essentially a clip show.
Guest:It was clips of various WWF matches from different shows.
Guest:Philadelphia, Madison Square Garden.
Guest:And then eventually they started putting...
Guest:clips from the syndicated shows on this, you know, Superstars Wrestling Challenge.
Guest:And Bobby and Gorilla were assigned to host this show.
Guest:They would do so by sitting there.
Guest:And they had like a general idea of what they were supposed to talk about.
Guest:Oh, you know, we got this show coming up.
Guest:We got to promote it.
Guest:We got Hulk Hogan's going to fight this guy.
Guest:We're going to have to talk about that.
Guest:But it was largely unscripted.
Guest:And these two guys got to sit there every week.
Guest:and just have a banter going on.
Guest:And in this banter, this chemistry, these guys developed, you could go watch it.
Guest:It's on Peacock.
Guest:They have all the seasons of primetime wrestling, go watch any single one of them.
Guest:And you see how joyful these two guys were acting with each other because they had these well-defined characters that just bumped right up against each other.
Guest:So well, I,
Guest:There was a point in 2018, I tweeted something.
Guest:It just had a picture that came across my screen somehow.
Guest:I don't remember how.
Guest:And it was just a picture of Gorilla and Bobby at this desk of primetime wrestling laughing.
Guest:And I tweeted out, no one in the history of show business enjoyed working together more than Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monsoon.
Guest:And it's so true.
Guest:Like you watch these two guys, they loved it.
Guest:They even said in interviews afterwards, Bobby Heenan said, I never went to work.
Guest:It was not work.
Guest:It was going to a thing and having fun with my friend.
Guest:And that was it.
Guest:And you can tell it is all... I mean, I don't want to call something like that effortless because I know what kind of work and talent it takes to make it happen.
Guest:But it looks effortless.
Marc:And that's the key.
Marc:I also... It's funny you say that, oh, they just loved working with each other because...
Marc:When you're watching wrestling, at least, you know, when I would watch, you know, Royal Rumble or WrestleMania, it seems like they hate each other.
Marc:But it's so great to know that they actually loved working with each other.
Guest:Well, that was the perfect dynamics, like a Laurel and Hardy situation.
Guest:It's like, you know, it's any great kind of duo.
Guest:Abbott and Costello, you got the one straight guy, you got the uptight guy and, you know, or, you know,
Guest:Gilligan and the Skipper, like, you know, one guy hitting the other guy over the head with a hat.
Guest:Like, it is all in there with these two guys.
Guest:And yet they also had to do, which was what we talked to Excalibur about last week, the difficult job of selling a wrestling match, wrestling matches, as they were happening.
Guest:So they didn't get to just play these characters and be these characters.
Guest:They had to tell you the story of what was happening in the ring, believably.
Guest:And
Guest:Watching back to like 80s and 90s WWF wrestling, that was not easy because it's not very believable.
Guest:It's so cartoonish, so over the top that it's very impressive for them to ground anything in reality.
Guest:And in order to kind of emphasize this, I said to Chris, we're going to watch what I think is the greatest performance of both of their careers.
Guest:And it's in one match.
Guest:And it is a great performance, not just because of what they do in terms of telling the story of the match, the job of a wrestling announcer, but the story of their own characters.
Guest:playing off this dynamic that they've had for years.
Guest:It really is a culmination.
Guest:And a fun fact about this is, as much as I think it is one of the great performances in the history of wrestling commentary, I, watching it at the time, did not hear them.
Guest:Because.
Guest:What do you mean?
Guest:Young 12-year-old Brendan McDonald was in attendance at this pay-per-view.
Guest:Oh, no thing.
Guest:The 1992 Royal Rumble, January 19th from Albany, New York at the Knickerbocker Arena.
Guest:I was right there in the stands with my brother and my father.
Guest:and we were psyched it was we like everything led up to this because you know it was a big deal to have a pay-per-view in our home arena in the first place but then also this wound up being the royal rumble which we didn't know in the first ball it's going to be a pay-per-view what is it oh the royal rumble that's awesome it's a big match it's an hour long there's 30 guys in it and then through a
Guest:gets vacated, and they say the winner of the Royal Rumble will now be the WWF champion.
Guest:So, look, nowadays that might seem weird if you're following wrestling as a new fan, like titles, there's lots of titles, they change hands.
Guest:That was not the case with the WWF title.
Guest:It had changed hands like three times in like seven years.
Guest:Like, it was a big deal if you won the title.
Guest:And so we knew we were going to see this thing, and it was going to be...
Guest:Like you're going to have a new champion.
Guest:It's not like you're going to see a title match and maybe it will change hands.
Guest:Someone will newly become the champion.
Guest:So all those stakes are there with it.
Guest:And then on top of that, you got Bobby Heenan, who'd been playing.
Guest:Like we said, he was a manager character.
Guest:He's also on on the microphone.
Guest:And he's doing the commentary.
Guest:And at this point, his role as a manager was as Ric Flair's financial advisor.
Guest:Ric Flair, who had long been in WCW and the NWA Southern Territories.
Guest:He has now come into WWF as of 1991.
Guest:And, you know, he's a top guy no matter what, when he gets in there.
Guest:But it was a little bit questionable.
Guest:Like, is Vince McMahon?
Guest:ever gonna let this guy like be on the same level as hulk hogan or macho man randy savage you know these guys vince thought he created is he gonna let this guy from the south come in and do this well he put him with bobby heenan which is already a step in the right direction and then this match basically becomes the the answer to that question would vince let this happen um
Guest:Um, and that's the show we watched.
Guest:Did you, did you have any thoughts of this before you even started watching it?
Guest:Were you thinking, did you like remember it or you have any memories of it?
Marc:Oh, I've, I've definitely watched this like five or six or maybe even 10 times.
Marc:So like not only as a kid, but also, you know, when the WWE had a network, I would, I would put on a rest, a, uh,
Marc:you know, a pay-per-view and this would definitely be in the rotation because it's just one of my favorites.
Marc:Um, but, uh, I, I, I'm, I'm amazed that you were there.
Marc:Where were you sitting?
Marc:Were you, uh, do you have good seats?
Guest:We were off to the side.
Guest:Like the thing that was directly in front of me was the entrance way.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So like you were able to see who was coming in and out.
Guest:Oh, like right there.
Guest:Like, yeah.
Guest:Like, like I'd see the countdowns are all cool.
Guest:Who's coming in?
Yeah.
Marc:Were you counting?
Marc:Were you like five, four to three, two, one?
Marc:Everything.
Guest:Everything.
Guest:It was at that time, like when I, it took me maybe five days to come down from it.
Guest:I was like, this was the greatest experience of my life.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Since then, since you were there, you had to, I'm guessing you bought it on tape and you watched it.
Marc:I had a friend.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I had a friend who had recorded it because he was watching it on pay-per-view.
Guest:And then I just watched his tape afterwards.
Guest:And then, yeah, I think I probably have owned this several times on either VHS, DVD, or whatever.
Guest:And now you can just watch it streaming whenever you want.
Marc:Was it better in person or on TV?
Guest:Well, funny you should say that because it was amazing in person.
Guest:It was just one of a kind experience.
Guest:But watching it on the actual broadcast, it was...
Guest:as a match, so much better because of Gorilla and Bobby.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:It was like being there live, you got this experience of it live and it was exciting, whatever.
Guest:But them doing this match, they told a whole different story.
Guest:Like it was a...
Guest:It was a fuller, it was just like, it was like watching a rough cut of something and a finished product.
Guest:That was how I would describe it, right?
Guest:Like, you might be able to see a rough assembly of a film and think it looks awesome, but then once they add all the special effects and everything, you're like, oh, well, now this is even better.
Guest:Like, that's exactly how it felt.
Guest:Gotcha, yeah.
Guest:So here we go.
Guest:We have the 1992 Royal Rumble.
Guest:It's going to be 30 individuals, and one of them will win the World Wrestling Federation title.
Guest:They have the figurehead president, Jack Tunney, out there at the beginning with the belt.
Marc:Why do the fans not like him at this time?
Guest:It was just a classic thing of like the fans are going to boo an authority figure.
Guest:And like he was a guy who decided Hulk Hogan needed to be stripped of the title and was vacant because of like a schmoz in a match prior to that.
Guest:In fact, here's a funny thing.
Guest:They did a thing at the beginning of that pay-per-view, but again, a dark match.
Guest:And it was like two jobbers, Brooklyn Brawler and some other job.
Guest:I'm telling you this because I was there.
Guest:yeah yeah they they had uh uh this guy i didn't remember his name uh chris walker i think his name was maybe that's wrong but that's what i remember his name is let's say that chris walker he beats the he's he's fighting the brooklyn brawler who's a jobber and then you're like i've never seen this guy before so he's a jobber too uh maybe they had some hopes for him or something and uh brooklyn brawler pins him with his feet on the ropes
Guest:Right.
Guest:OK.
Guest:And they're like, oh, the winner of the Brooklyn Brawler.
Guest:And Jack Tunney comes walking out and says to something to the ref, calls him over, blah, blah, blah.
Guest:And then the ref goes and talks to the announcer, Howard Finkel, says, ladies and gentlemen, Jack Tunney has said that the Brooklyn Brawler was cheating.
Guest:The winner of this match by disqualification, Chris Walker.
Guest:People cheer, whatever.
Guest:The reason they did that was they wanted to make a situation where you would cheer Jack Tunney so that when he came out later in the show, they would not boo him.
Guest:But no, they didn't give a shit.
Guest:They booed him anyway.
Guest:The Chris Walker gambit did not work.
Marc:What a simple plan.
Marc:I can't imagine.
Guest:Yeah, the Albany crowd did not follow suit.
Guest:Well, it's funny about that, too, because it's a very Mark crowd.
Guest:I remember that any time I went to the WWF shows up in Albany, it's like this crowd would cheer the heroes and boo the villains.
Guest:It was like, here's Tugboat.
Guest:Woo.
Guest:Yay.
Guest:Tugboat.
Guest:They love tugboat.
Guest:Like anybody.
Guest:If you told them there's a guy you should cheer, they would cheer for him.
Guest:If you told them there's a guy you should boo, they would boo him.
Guest:That's very important coming up later.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Put that little piece of information in your back pocket.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:All right, so the match is getting started.
Guest:Bobby is nervous from the outset.
Guest:Even as Jack Tunney is talking, he's like, come on, come on, let's go, let's go.
Guest:He's so sweaty during the commentary.
Guest:Yeah, he keeps saying, oh, I'm drenched.
Guest:I'm drenched in sweat.
Guest:I also just love that he's doing the, come on, come on, let's get going, let's get going, because he's waiting to see.
Guest:He's too nervous about when is Ric Flair going to come out in this random draw of 30 guys, and Gorilla just quietly says to him, keep your pants on.
Guest:Already, they're great.
Guest:Their dynamic is right there from the start.
Guest:So Jack Tunney, he does his thing.
Guest:He leaves the ring.
Guest:Bobby says he's been the best president since Noriega, which...
Guest:Which gives Gorilla his first opportunity to go, will you be serious?
Guest:Which is a classic bit of their dynamic.
Guest:Bobby's saying the ridiculous thing.
Guest:Gorilla's saying, no, will you stop doing that?
Guest:Without that part of their dynamic, it's severely diminished.
Marc:Also, at this point, I just want to point out, like, all of this stuff that we're going to talk about, basically, a lot of it went over my head.
Marc:There's, like, a lot of jokes here that just, like, I don't – but, like, my dad or my, you know, or adults probably loved this dynamic at the time.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:You know?
Marc:Like –
Guest:It's exactly why my dad was watching because it was like it gave him permission to not feel foolish for watching this thing for children.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Which WWF at the time was absolutely a cartoon for children, as we will talk about with some of these entrants who have just the most ridiculous gimmicks.
Marc:And and and to this day, people are doing that with like the Super Mario Brothers movie.
Marc:It's like, yeah, this is a fine movie for kids, but also there's probably something in there for adults.
Marc:I'm guessing.
Marc:Gotta have some jokes.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:All right, well, as the Royal Rumble works, you get 30 guys.
Guest:Each one gets a number at random, and then they come out every two minutes after the first two.
Guest:And the first two in this situation were the British Bulldog, Davey Boy Smith, and Ted DiBiase, the Million Dollar Man, two kind of classic 80s and 90s wrestlers.
Guest:Bobby breathes a big sigh of relief both times.
Guest:He's very happy that neither one or two is Ric Flair, but Gorilla is already teasing him, which is great.
Guest:You know, maybe you're a geek.
Guest:Are you going to survive this whole thing here, brain?
Marc:Also, so is Bobby the brain, does he have like a bet on this?
Marc:Has he bet a million dollars?
Marc:Is that the gag?
Guest:Well, no, it's not even so much a bet, but there was a point.
Guest:I made note of it that I think in a couple more entrants or so, Bobby says something like...
Guest:you know he's getting all agitated he goes i stand to make a fortune here right and gorilla says or lose one and i think it's just that he has put all his eggs in rick flair's basket like he wasn't managing anyone else at the time so the idea being that like he has probably he pays for rick flair's flights right he pays for his suits and everything on the account of him being the guy right i'm gonna take you to the championship and if this guy doesn't win you know i'm ruined right
Guest:Yes.
Marc:I mean, as someone whose grandfather used to go to OTB and listen to like the horse racing, he sounds a lot like my grandfather right now.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Well, I mean, it would also be very in character if all of that were true about his own like financial attachment to this.
Guest:And then if he went and bet on it, like that, that would definitely be in character with the Bobby Heenan character.
Guest:All right.
Guest:So you get the first elimination.
Guest:Ted DiBiase, he gets out right away.
Guest:British Bulldog, he's over huge.
Guest:Crowd popping for him.
Guest:And Bobby is like nervously counting to the next person.
Guest:Come on, come on, come on.
Guest:Five, four, three, two, one.
Guest:Buzzer goes off.
Guest:Number three comes out.
Guest:And it is Ric Flair.
Guest:He picked number three.
Guest:And Bobby freaks out.
Guest:But the better part from Bobby freaking out, which is great, is...
Guest:is gorilla gleefully twisting the knife oh you can kiss it goodbye brain no and and at the time no one between one and nine yes he keeps telling him that yeah he keeps saying nobody who has been here from these beginning numbers has ever been there at the end brain like you are done shut up
Guest:At one point he says, I don't really think I could be objective during this.
Guest:But Gorilla's like, when have you ever been objective?
Guest:All right, so the next guy out is Nasty Boy, Sags.
Guest:This was where Bobby was talking about how much money was at stake.
Guest:Just a little bit of a background here while Nasty Boy gets eliminated, and it's right back to Bulldog versus Flair.
Guest:Bulldog is also gigantic, and so he is beating the hell out of Ric Flair, and it visually makes sense.
Guest:Oh, God, this guy is getting pummeled by this monster, right?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Haku, he's the next one out.
Guest:This begins Bobby saying throughout the whole match, this isn't fair to Flair as everyone comes out and starts throwing in punches and chops onto Ric Flair.
Guest:But Haku, he gets thrown out.
Guest:It's back to Flair and the Bulldog.
Guest:Then we finally get it settling down because the next guy out, number six, is Shawn Michaels, fresh off the barbershop window situation.
Guest:This is right after that.
Guest:Yeah, like the week earlier.
Guest:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:It's Shawn Michaels' heel turn, right?
Guest:This is the first time he's a heel.
Guest:So he comes out.
Guest:He's fighting now.
Guest:Now we start to get it settled in where guys come out and they get to stay in the match and fight.
Guest:Although Ric Flair keeps fighting these guys and Bobby is yelling at him, stop it, Ric.
Guest:Lay out.
Guest:Lay out.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Also, also Bobby is, at one point, it's like, what tremendous camera work.
Marc:And he's like, I got to take my mind off of this somehow.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:He wants to think about anything else.
Guest:Tito Santana comes out next.
Guest:He is in the El Matador gimmick at this point, which was classic WWF.
Guest:Everybody's got to have a gimmick, a character.
Guest:Everyone has a job.
Guest:Yes, right.
Guest:The idea that you moonlight as a wrestler, like you're something else, and you come in and wrestle when you're not doing the other thing.
Guest:Number eight is The Barbarian, to which Bobby says they just keep getting bigger.
Guest:And then a great, great moment for Gorilla in their dynamic to keep needling Bobby just very calmly, sinisterly says, The Barbarian doesn't like flair.
Yeah.
Guest:At one point, he's out there just beating Ric Flair, the barbarian is.
Guest:And Bobby says, why do you think they call him the barbarian?
Guest:He's not a hairdresser on his day off.
Guest:I wrote that down too.
Guest:Not a hairdresser on his day off.
Yeah.
Guest:Uh, next guy out is the Texas tornado, Carrie Von Eric.
Guest:And he and Flair go right at each other.
Guest:And this was a big deal for wrestling fans.
Guest:I don't mean for like people who are in the crowd there.
Guest:Cause like I said, it was a very Mark WWF audience.
Guest:But if people who were like fans of wrestling just in their lives and watched all sorts of wrestling and read wrestling magazines, like this is the famous world champion from the Southern, uh,
Guest:territories rick flair versus the biggest brightest shining star from the 80s in the texas territory world-class championship wrestling uh carrie von eric and and you know they had had many fights in the territories so this was a big deal for wrestling fans it's why the match spends a little time with these two guys fighting each other uh they didn't make any comment of it on on the commentary because back then vince would not allow that
Guest:He would not allow people to, like, talk about their past characters, talk about feuds they had in other federations.
Guest:It was WWF or nothing.
Marc:What a shame, because that would have been a nice explanation of that.
Marc:Because, yeah, the crowd did go wild for him.
Marc:I don't actually recall him from my childhood.
Guest:Oh, Kerry Von Erich?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, it's interesting.
Guest:There's going to be a movie coming out soon.
Guest:And the guy about the whole Von Erich family, which is a tragic story.
Guest:It's been covered on that Dark Side of the Ring show that we've talked about here.
Guest:And it actually, you know, as a kind of tragic downfall story, makes sense as a movie.
Guest:The movie coming out about it called The Iron Claw is with Zac Efron, I think, playing Kevin Von Erich, who is the surviving member of the family.
Guest:And Carrie is being played by that guy from The Bear.
Guest:the the hulu show oh yeah oh yeah everyone loves that guy yeah which is a great show which you should watch you've told me that i i will definitely try to watch that show uh next guy out is repo man number 10 all right there's a lot to say about repo man
Guest:Repo Man was Demolition Smash, right?
Guest:So in the tag team, Demolition.
Guest:Wait, he was?
Guest:Yes, he was.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:He was a big bruiser.
Guest:He was meant to be like a kind of Legion of Doom clone.
Guest:They were very popular.
Guest:They had a big run as Demolition, these world beater tag team guys.
Guest:Now he is out there as the Repo Man.
Guest:Now, I don't know if you know what a Repo Man is.
Guest:I'm sure you do.
Guest:You know what a Repo Man is.
Guest:man does.
Guest:Yeah, guy takes my car.
Guest:What does a repo man look like to you?
Guest:Like in your mind?
Guest:Somebody said, what's a repo man?
Guest:It's like a guy.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:No.
Marc:I mean, does he not wear a burglar mask?
Marc:Yes, this guy has the Hamburglar's mask on.
Guest:And he's sneaking.
Guest:He's hunched over.
Guest:He also has a unitard that has tire treads on it.
Guest:Like he got run over by the cars he was repossessing or something.
Guest:If they wanted this idea to be, he's Repo Man, okay, he should just look like he looked in Demolition, but with clothes on.
Guest:Like, put a ratty shirt or something.
Guest:But he's going to, okay, I get it.
Guest:He's going to come and repossess your car.
Guest:That somehow makes him a bad guy.
Guest:But no, the character here of Repo Man was like... A burglar?
Guest:The Frito Bandito.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:Like, he's there to steal your cookie crisps.
Guest:And...
Guest:And here he comes out.
Guest:He sneaks around the ring.
Guest:He's like always hunched over, which is dumb for a wrestler.
Guest:Like you want wrestlers to look big.
Guest:This guy always looks small because he's hunched over.
Guest:And yes, this was the world of 90s WWF programming.
Guest:Like not only does he have a job, he's a cartoon who has a job.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Repo Man is out there.
Guest:Then Greg the Hammer Valentine comes out here.
Guest:Another guy who goes at Flair because they have a long history in the NWA, all sorts of old wrestling territories.
Guest:Fans love this, but they're not going to talk about it on commentary.
Guest:Nikolai Volkov, the next guy who comes out, he was actually an alternate.
Guest:He was not announced before the match.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:I think he was the guy who replaced Marty Jannetty, who got thrown through the barbershop window, right?
Guest:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:So you get Nikolai Volkov out there, which is why he goes in and out.
Guest:Doesn't last for 30 seconds.
Marc:Wait, so storyline-wise, that's why Marty Jannetty wasn't there.
Marc:But in real life, why wasn't Marty Jannetty there?
Marc:Correct.
Guest:No, they just had to take him out because of the worked story.
Guest:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:You couldn't have him go through the barbershop and be a bloody mess and then show up in the Royal Rumble.
Guest:You had to take him out.
Guest:That's too bad because I would have wanted to see Shawn Michaels and Margetti go after each other.
Guest:I know, but they paid attention to this stuff back then.
Guest:They kept him away for a week.
Guest:It was only a week ago.
Guest:You couldn't have the guy sell this injury and this heelish action if he's just back fighting normal.
Guest:It had to have purpose.
Guest:Right?
Guest:It is.
Guest:There are some things they did better back then.
Guest:That was one of them, for sure.
Guest:Also, the... Nowadays, the guy gets hurt.
Guest:He's in there the next day.
Marc:Right, right.
Guest:So, at this point, there's, like, what would you say?
Guest:Like, ten people in the ring?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:We're definitely getting to that point in a Royal Rumble match where they deliberately load up because they know all of a sudden guys are going to go flying.
Guest:And mostly, that's when, like, a dude comes out who is, like, going to clear house.
Guest:Right, right.
Marc:But before we get to the clearing out, the...
Marc:Like, having one announcer fixate on one specific wrestler was a stroke of genius in this case.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:Because there's so much action happening in the rig.
Marc:And, you know, I'm not even watching Ric Flair for most of the time.
Marc:But...
Marc:Ric Flair is in the back of my mind because this one guy is talking about him the entire time.
Marc:So it's just planting some seeds in the back of my head and like, oh, where's Ric Flair and everything.
Guest:And I will say it was a real feeling amongst people watching, myself included, that, well, it is probably true, though, that he's not going to last to the end because it just has never had...
Guest:Seems preposterous that these guys will come out and last an hour.
Guest:So there was still plenty of doubt in your head that it was going to work out for this.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, now number 13 comes out and this is the huge pop moment for a big star.
Guest:And it was the big boss man who's very over comes out.
Guest:Everyone is cheering.
Guest:He is he's beating everyone pillar to post.
Guest:And this is where everyone starts flying.
Guest:Greg Valentine's out.
Guest:Repo Man is out.
Guest:Ric Flair puts out both the British Bulldog and the Texas Tornado.
Guest:So it's like also to keep in mind here that like he's still dangerous in that ring, even though he's tired and he's being beaten up.
Guest:He can still put guys out.
Guest:uh tito santana sean michaels they're both out and they're out right as number 14 comes in that's hercules and so now you have three big guys in the ring they're all teeing off on flair bobby is begging him to just lay low stay out of the fight he won't do it he keeps fighting these guys barbarian he gets put out hercules he gets put out and and they think
Guest:The big boss man gets put out when Hercules goes, but he hangs on.
Guest:And Ric Flair's got his back to him, and he's got his arms in the air.
Guest:Oh, I got this guy out.
Guest:And now he turns around.
Guest:Boss man's looking at him, and it's those two guys one-on-one.
Guest:Boss man's a big dude.
Guest:He's way over.
Guest:He's beating the shit out of Ric Flair, bouncing off the ropes really fast, killing this guy.
Guest:And then Ric Flair ducks down, and big boss man goes out over the top rope, and he dies.
Guest:He dies dead.
Guest:He gets his neck caught on the bottom rope as his back touches the apron.
Guest:So it's like he guillotines himself.
Marc:It happens in slow motion too, I feel like.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Yes, you watch.
Guest:You're like, oh, he's out.
Guest:I hope he doesn't put his head under there.
Guest:Oh, he did.
Guest:Oh, he's dead.
Yes.
Guest:I don't know how that guy lived after that.
Guest:Yes, it was gruesome.
Marc:Like on par with anarchy in the arena.
Marc:It was just gruesome.
Guest:Or on par with like faces of death, like a snuff film.
Guest:Like I was like, oh no, he just snapped his neck, but under the rope.
Guest:Evidently he did not because he walked out and he was fine the next week.
Guest:But it looked really bad.
Guest:We are, though, right now at the midpoint of the match, essentially.
Guest:That was number 14.
Guest:Number 15's coming out.
Guest:Ric Flair is by himself.
Guest:Bobby Heenan declares him the winner because there's nobody left in the ring.
Guest:Gorilla has to tell him there's a lot more guys coming out.
Guest:Stop it.
Guest:Also, Gorilla doing a great, again, you have to tell the story of the match.
Guest:And Gorilla starts pointing out how Ric Flair is taking deep breaths.
Guest:He's trying to get that oxygen in the body, get all those limbs flowing again.
Guest:Great.
Guest:Like always, you always have to be doing that.
Guest:You always have to be communicating to the audience what is happening from a physical standpoint to these guys who are fake fighting.
Guest:Like if you're not selling me on what would really be happening right now, then I shouldn't have to believe it.
Guest:I should not suspend disbelief.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Well, part of suspending disbelief is being okay with the fact that the next person coming out is the bitter blood enemy of the one guy left in the ring.
Guest:That coincidence is totally okay in the world of wrestling, especially because number 15 is Rowdy Rowdy Piper and the roof comes off of this place.
Guest:Ric Flair, a great wrestler, a great actor in the wrestling ring.
Guest:reacts to this as perfectly as one could just the a total full body slump as if to communicate anybody but this guy anyone but him and the crowd is absolutely molten for this as rowdy piper gets in the ring he had just won the intercontinental title on the same show earlier in the in the night in the day it was in the afternoon that we went to see this uh and he is just going crazy it's it's exactly what you want at this point and it
Guest:revs the crowd back up after they've come to this kind of climax in that last segment with boss man going out and flair in there by himself now the crowd is up again remember chris jericho talked about that when he's on with mark saying like you gotta you have to get the crowd they go down and they get them up up up up up and that's what they do here and bobby is doing that for you as an audience member because he is almost crying like he he's making almost like boo hoo sounds like he's like oh no
Guest:Like, it's absolutely perfect for the moment.
Guest:And then Ric Flair is put in a sleeper hold by Roddy Piper, and the next guy's coming out, and it is Jake the Snake Roberts.
Guest:And he is in full heel Jake mode.
Guest:By the way...
Guest:This was a moment where I'm rewatching this and I'm like, there were such big stars back then.
Guest:Like nowadays you watch a wrestling thing, a Royal Rumble or a Battle Royal or something.
Guest:And it's like, you know, 15 junkie guys, guys who you give no shot to.
Guest:And then like maybe like three or four stars, right?
Guest:Right.
Guest:And this is just one after another.
Guest:You're like, man, these were, they did their job in WWF at the time, making these guys seem larger than life and always like stars.
Guest:I mean, just Ric Flair, Roddy Piper, and Jake the Snake.
Guest:And they're the ones in the ring.
Guest:Like, we've already seen the big boss man.
Guest:We've already seen the Texas Tornado.
Guest:We've already seen British Bulldog.
Guest:These were all huge stars.
Guest:Any one of these guys could have been the champion, which was the point of this match, was to crown a new champion.
Guest:So Jake is out there.
Guest:He's a heel.
Guest:He's attacking guys from behind.
Marc:When he attacks... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Marc:When Jake this thing comes in, he comes in and then lays down and just like, yeah, proceed.
Guest:He sits in the corner.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yes, proceed, Rowdy.
Marc:Please keep on doing the sleeper hold on Rick.
Marc:And it is perfect.
Marc:And he slithers around like a snake.
Marc:And then he gets up.
Marc:And then he starts beating up the both of them.
Marc:It's perfect.
Guest:Yes, and when he does that, Bobby is like, oh, thank you, Jake.
Guest:Thanks.
Guest:Thank you for doing that.
Guest:And then Jake starts attacking Flair.
Guest:He's like, oh, what are you doing?
Guest:No, don't do that.
Guest:And then Roddy Piper breaks that up, and he's like, oh, thank you, Roddy.
Guest:Oh, it's a kilt.
Guest:It's not a skirt.
Guest:You wear a kilt.
Guest:Like, he's trying to be a good guy.
Guest:Then Roddy Piper pokes Ric Flair in the eyes.
Guest:He goes, why, you no good creep.
Guest:You skirt-wearing freak.
Guest:Next guy out at number 17 is Hacksaw Jim Duggan, who is way over because he lived nearby.
Guest:He grew up in Glens Falls, New York.
Guest:He was the pride of upstate New York.
Guest:Whenever I went to the shows in Albany, Hacksaw Jim Duggan was always a huge, huge overstar.
Guest:He's over here, comes out.
Marc:He can't bring his four by four in.
Marc:He has to leave that outside.
Guest:Not allowed.
Guest:Right.
Guest:This is the point where Bobby Heenan says to Gorilla very, very solemnly, we were jobbed, Monsoon.
Guest:We were jobbed.
Guest:He says, it's a conspiracy.
Guest:I'm sure Hulk Hogan had something to do with this.
Guest:just just and also like rick flair is not in any worse shape at this point than any other time in the match but like bobby's now relenting to the idea that we're not going to make it we're not going to get to the end of this like there's too many guys that are huge that keep coming out and pummeling him yeah we've been jobbed totally jobbed bobby the baby would be a great like personality in the q anon era like like totally
Marc:The election was stolen from us, like, for sure.
Guest:Oh, there's a full Trump moment coming up very soon.
Guest:I will point it out when it happens.
Guest:Well, the next guy out is Erwin R. Scheister at number 18, otherwise known as IRS.
Guest:Another terrible gimmick.
Guest:This time, though, with a talented wrestler, Mike Rotundo.
Guest:But this was literally a guy who worked for the IRS.
Guest:He worked.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Hang on.
Guest:Let's take a breath here.
Guest:He worked for the IRS.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:He's an accountant.
Guest:He's out there in a suit and tie.
Guest:A suit and tie.
Guest:He has shirt sleeves.
Guest:Suspenders.
Guest:Suspenders.
Guest:He's got his shirt sleeves rolled up.
Guest:He works for the IRS.
Guest:He's an accountant.
Guest:His name is IRS.
Guest:He works for the IRS and his name is IRS.
Guest:And his name is IRS because his full name is Erwin R. Shyster.
Okay.
Guest:Shyster.
Marc:His last name is Mr. Shyster.
Marc:I mean, the last name does not fit the wrestler.
Marc:No, no, no, no.
Marc:This Italian guy.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:No, Mr. Shyster comes out.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:I can't believe that was that was a thing that we were just like, yep, that's that's his name.
Marc:Shyster.
Marc:That's right.
Guest:Grownups were watching this in the crowd.
Guest:I saw adults that were there.
Guest:My father was one of them.
Guest:We were just watching this.
Guest:uh the next guy out is uh superfly jimmy snooka almost certainly a murderer yep and he's allowed out in the ring here he's uh he's on his uh last legs by the way he's looking older and way painfully steroided up and then uh the next guy out is the undertaker who gets in there and kills the murderer throws the murderer out right away yeah uh
Guest:And Ric Flair attacks the Undertaker, which makes Bobby freak out again.
Guest:Like, why are you doing this?
Guest:Everything's going down the toilet.
Guest:And Gorilla very gently says to him, why don't you go down there and show some mercy, brain?
Guest:Throw the towel in.
Guest:Uh, like we're 40 minutes into this match and they, they have not let up.
Guest:Like the dynamic is, is in lockstep there.
Guest:It is perfect.
Guest:Uh, number 21, talk about just the, the plethora of stars in this match.
Guest:Number 21 is macho man, Randy Savage, who, uh, had an angle with Jake, the snake right now, another blood feud.
Guest:So he runs out to kill Jake.
Guest:He throws Jake out and then he is a total idiot.
Guest:Uh,
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And jumps over the top rope to keep fighting Jake.
Marc:So that wasn't on purpose, right?
Marc:That was just him being dumb, dumb?
Guest:I mean, yes.
Guest:I can only imagine that it was coked up Randy Savage, just, you know, out of his mind.
Guest:And he needed to look.
Guest:He's always the guy who needs to look the most intense, the most.
Guest:It's why people loved him.
Guest:He looked like everything he was doing at all times was full of reality and passion and anger and hatred.
Guest:Right, right.
Guest:And so he's just going after this guy.
Guest:And he is so in the moment that in a battle royal where the whole point is to go over the top rope and hit the floor, he puts himself over the top rope and hits the floor.
Guest:And the announcers are doing their job and saying, well, he just put himself out of the ring.
Guest:And so he didn't care enough to win the title.
Guest:He just wanted to destroy Jake Roberts and it got the best of him, whatever.
Guest:And then The Undertaker comes out and he's rolling Macho Man back into the ring.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And they keep saying, well, he's doing that, but he's got to get out of here.
Guest:He's been eliminated.
Guest:Someone, I'm assuming Vince, freaking out, gets in Bobby's ear and explains the deal to him.
Guest:And it's dead silent for about 10 seconds.
Guest:And then Bobby goes...
Guest:oh monsoon i think i know what happened he needs to be put out of the ring by someone else because this was himself putting himself out he can go back in because that's and gorilla picks up on what bobby's throwing down or whether he's heard it from vince as well immediately starts selling this as a rule of the royal rumble yep oh by the way
Guest:Not a rule of the Royal Rumble.
Guest:There's been many Royal Rumbles before this where guys tossed themselves out and they were gone.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But now in this one, you have to be propelled by someone else to be eliminated.
Guest:That was what he said.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Now, it's ridiculous, but here's what I will say about it.
Guest:What's that?
Guest:go ahead and make up these rules because it's fake.
Guest:You're allowed to make up whatever you want at any time if it's going to tell the story.
Guest:So in this case, they made up this rule on the spot, fine.
Guest:For this match, you have to be propelled out of the ring.
Guest:I'm fine with that.
Guest:It was a decent cover for a totally boneheaded thing to happen.
Marc:So being in attendance, did you clock that Macho Man went over the top rope?
Guest:I said the same thing that Bobby said in Gorilla.
Guest:I turned to my dad and my brother went like, oh, see, he cares more about beating up Jake than winning the match.
Guest:Amazing.
Guest:We were all in agreement.
Guest:He's gone.
Guest:He threw himself out.
Guest:And then when he was allowed back in the ring, we were like, oh, I guess he wasn't supposed to do that.
Marc:Boy, it would have been something if they had Macho Man win because of, you know, just like storyline.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Watching this match, I'm like, why didn't they just tell him, Randy, go to the back now?
Guest:Because he doesn't factor into the rest of the match.
Guest:At all.
Guest:At all.
Guest:He should have just, they should have just used this as a thing and then, you know, make lemons out of lemonade and use it as a story point later on where he could be like, no one threw me out of the match.
Guest:I should get the first title shot, which he did.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:He becomes the first challenger.
Guest:So, I mean, maybe that's what it was.
Guest:They didn't want him to be eliminated because he was going to be the next challenger in continuity.
Guest:But, man, they totally could have made that work in the moment.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Anyway, in this section, this is also a point where Ric Flair is, now he's trying to do everything to survive, and we get another gigantic nut shot onto, this time, The Undertaker.
Guest:But here, Bobby Heenan,
Guest:with one of his great lines of all time says, did you see that?
Guest:He tried to lift the undertaker.
Guest:And Gorilla is right on top of it.
Guest:He did not.
Guest:Like, he's not having any of it.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Number 22 that comes out is the Berserker.
Guest:It was a terrible Bruiser Brody ripoff.
Guest:But, you know, it's also a classic WWF.
Guest:He couldn't just rip off Bruiser Brody as a, you know, wild man with wild hair who runs around saying, huss.
Guest:There's all the stuff that Bruiser Brody did.
Guest:Grabbed his hand like this.
Guest:Like, Bruiser Brody ripoff 100%.
Guest:But instead, he has to be a Viking.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Like, it's very classic.
Guest:Well, yeah, we want somebody to be like Bruiser Brody, but let's put him in a Halloween costume as well.
Marc:Because that's his job.
Guest:He's a Viking.
Guest:He's a Viking.
Guest:He's a berserker.
Guest:Like, berserkers, they stopped existing in like 600 AD, right?
Guest:We unearthed him?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Next one, 23, is Virgil, who we had talked about back when he was with the Million Dollar Man all those years ago.
Guest:He is now a man on his own, but he has not gained a second name.
Guest:He's just Virgil.
Guest:Number 24 is Colonel Mustafa, otherwise known as the Iron Sheik, but they don't talk about that.
Guest:They don't talk about how he was a former World Wrestling Federation champion as the Iron Sheik.
Guest:This is a match with...
Guest:The winner is going to win the title.
Guest:And they keep talking about Hulk Hogan comes in, there's a former champion, Undertaker, former champion, you know, Randy Savage.
Guest:Colonel Mustafa is a champion, but because that's not his gimmick anymore, he's a different guy.
Guest:It's not the same guy.
Guest:So he's out there, not a whole lot going on with him.
Guest:Rick the model Martel, another guy out, another guy with a job.
Guest:He's a model when he's not a wrestler.
That's right.
Guest:And then finally you get to number 26, Hulk Hogan, the biggest pop of the night for sure at this point.
Guest:He had won for the last two years, and he was the previous champion three times.
Guest:Definitely a favorite to win it.
Guest:And he eliminates Undertaker.
Guest:He eliminates The Berserker.
Guest:He's going crazy.
Guest:And then he starts pummeling on Ric Flair and Bobby with a just total...
Guest:classic bad guy moment, starts breaking down and praying to God and telling God all the things that will change if he just lets Ric Flair win.
Guest:Please let him win it.
Guest:He says, I'm sorry for everything I've ever done.
Guest:I'm sorry for everything I've ever said.
Guest:I'll never say anything bad about anyone.
Guest:I'll be a different person.
Guest:I promise you.
Guest:All of this in the middle of a wrestling match, praying to God.
Guest:uh it's just beautiful i could not love the guy anymore as he's doing this uh virgil and hacksaw they eliminate each other then uh number 27 we get another garbage gimmick skinner nobody cares about him coming out it's it's silence and that's that's a lesson to learn when you give these guys dumb gimmicks they're just a job and not a character no one cares right um
Guest:And they didn't learn that lesson for a very long time.
Guest:Not until Steve Austin, really.
Guest:Hulk Hogan is teasing, throwing Ric Flair out.
Guest:Bobby's still begging to God.
Guest:There's this great moment, though.
Guest:This is another thing about how awesome he was.
Guest:He's talking about the whole match, about how he's getting sweaty and he's running out of breath.
Guest:Then he says, I need something to drink.
Guest:Hey, you stupid, go get me something to drink.
Guest:I assure you, there is no one there.
Guest:He is making up a person that he can belittle because he's a bad guy, because he's a heel, and he would treat people like crap.
Guest:He invented in their announcer position someone standing around that would be an underling for him to order around.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And he's also he's also acting so frantic.
Marc:Like at one point when I think it's when Macho Man comes walking in, he's like he not walking, running in.
Marc:He's like, he's wasting time.
Marc:And girl is like, he's not wasting time.
Marc:He's like, I don't know what I'm saying anymore.
Yeah.
Guest:Well, at this point, too, Guerrilla, now we're getting down to the last three guys coming in.
Guest:Guerrilla has a little mea culpa moment, and this is a great little bit that he's like, well, Brain, I did say at the beginning of this match that if you come in at the beginning, you're never there at the end, but we're fast approaching the end, and Ric Flair is still out there.
Guest:I've got to say, this is quite a showing for him.
Guest:It would be so easy to just leave that part out, but him adding that...
Guest:also completes the story of the match.
Guest:It's a full telling of what's going on here.
Guest:Number 28 is Sergeant Slaughter, another former champion.
Guest:Skinner is eliminated here.
Guest:And then we get number 29, who is Sid Justice, who was the new big babyface, who's going to kind of replace the ultimate warrior who is not around at this time.
Guest:And he gets a big pop coming out, not as big as Hogan's.
Guest:I want to point that out.
Guest:I want you to remember that.
Guest:Again, file that away.
Marc:I'm sorry.
Marc:Sid Justice is just the sweetest looking dude with the terrible hair and just the perm.
Marc:Yeah, the golden perm.
Marc:I mean, he's just he always has been off putting to me.
Marc:It's just like this weird.
Guest:I will say, though, he looks like a pro wrestler.
Guest:Like, that's the thing about him.
Guest:I think that's why he always had success everywhere he went, even though he was a problem.
Guest:He was a pain in the ass.
Guest:He'd leave all the time.
Guest:He'd get in trouble.
Guest:He tried to stab Arn Anderson with scissors once.
Guest:Oh, God.
Guest:This guy was not a fun dude to work with, but he kept getting jobs because he looked like a stereotype of not just a pro wrestler, a pro wrestler who was a winner.
Guest:He's super tall.
Guest:He's chiseled out of granite.
Guest:He's, like you said, dripping all the time.
Guest:This was a dream of a wrestler, and he would always get plugged in in a top spot because of that.
Guest:um all right now we get the last guy out there number 30 the warlord and we have nine guys left which by the way bobby's like you don't know it's warlord and gorilla's like no i know that there's only one guy one guy left yeah yeah it's as the countdown is happening he's like all right well we've got the last guy coming out we know it's gonna be the warlord and he's like well you don't know that
Guest:It's just great.
Guest:Well, I got to tell you, though, with these nine guys in the ring, like with the exception of the Warlord, quite frankly, anyone in there seemed plausible as a winner.
Guest:And that's like watching it now going like, oh, yeah, it's all big stars.
Guest:But even at the time...
Guest:Like, I can tell you for certain, we did not know who was going to win this thing.
Guest:It was not one of these things telegraphed ahead of time.
Guest:It was plausible for any single one of those guys to walk out as the champion.
Marc:Well, I thought it was Hogan as a kid.
Marc:I was like, oh, Hulk Hogan's going to win this, obviously.
Guest:Well, you know, why wouldn't you?
Guest:It's Hulk Hogan.
Guest:He wins all the time.
Guest:He came out, he got the biggest pop.
Guest:But I think that is a tribute to one guy in particular, and that is Pat Patterson, who was a longtime, you could call him producer of these things, former wrestler.
Guest:He wound up getting an on-air role as one of Vince's stooges during the Attitude Era.
Guest:But Pat Patterson is the guy who invented the Royal Rumble and every year booked the Royal Rumble.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:And it is booked so well because his attention to detail on these things, the ebbs and flows of the match, when it goes up, when it goes down, when to let it settle, all these kind of like, now this guy comes out, now this comes out.
Guest:He's the type of dude who could just see it all and make it happen, like a great sketch writer.
Guest:I always hear stories about that from guys who do...
Guest:sketch writing like on SNL this guy Jim Downey is thought of as like one of the greats over at SNL because he could just envision a sketch and then play it out beat for beat like in the room without writing it like have other people start writing it and he would just have the sketch fully formed in his head and I think that that was Pat Patterson when it came to booking wrestling he just saw everything he knew this will work this will work and he played it out and it was great
Guest:At this point in the match, you know, we start to lose the guys who had a lesser chances.
Guest:Sergeant Slaughter, he goes out.
Guest:IRS, he goes out by the tie.
Guest:The Warlord is eliminated.
Guest:And now we're down to six.
Guest:And this is where Rick Martell and Rowdy Piper were fighting on the ropes.
Guest:And Sid Justice comes up behind them and pushes them both out.
Guest:And that made young Brendan very sad.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because I was certain Rowdy Rowdy Piper was going to win this match.
Guest:That was my guy.
Guest:That was my pick.
Guest:I was very into Rowdy Piper winning both titles in the same show.
Guest:Like I thought that was the point of the booking.
Guest:I thought, oh, the only reason you have a guy in here after already winning a title is because you're going to have him win both.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And then he didn't.
Guest:And I felt lousy that he didn't.
Guest:I wanted him to win.
Guest:But now we have four left, and Randy Savage goes out very quickly after this.
Guest:Again, no real reason for him to be in there.
Guest:And you're down to the three big possible winners of this thing, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, and Sid Justice.
Guest:Flair is now approaching an hour in this match.
Guest:He's so tired he cannot do his trademark corner flip.
Guest:Hulk Hogan throws him into the corner.
Guest:He goes to do the flip, does not have the gas left.
Guest:So Hogan just kind of has to dump him over the rope.
Guest:And now he's on the apron and he's getting beat by Hogan.
Guest:Sid Justice, standing behind, notices Hogan is leaning over the rope.
Guest:And he goes over and takes Hulk Hogan by the leg and tips him out.
Guest:Right.
Guest:There is a pop for this because he eliminated him.
Guest:He did just what Hulk Hogan has done in many Battle Royals, Royal Rumbles.
Guest:We watched him do it to Randy Savage once.
Guest:He did it to the Ultimate Warrior once.
Guest:He eliminates another guy, and that guy also takes out his friend.
Guest:And Hulk Hogan doesn't seem to have a problem with doing that.
Guest:But now that it has been done to him...
Guest:He throws the same temper tantrum that he did when Andre won the belt from him.
Guest:He is doing his flip out on the outside of the ring.
Guest:He's turning around to the crowd with his arms out, like, can you believe this?
Guest:And Sid Justice, and they have him right on camera, says, it's every man for himself, big boy.
Guest:Well, yeah, you're right.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:He's right.
Guest:It was every man for himself.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And Hulk Hogan pulls on his arm.
Guest:And while he's pulling on his arm, Ric Flair sneaks up from behind, pulls Sid Justice's leg up.
Guest:He goes out.
Guest:Hulk Hogan is pulling him out.
Guest:So he gets the assist for the elimination.
Guest:And that is the end of the match.
Guest:Ric Flair has won the World Wrestling Federation Championship going coast to coast, basically, from number three to the end of the match.
Guest:And over an hour in the ring sets the record for the amount of time spent in a Royal Rumble.
Guest:He is euphoric.
Guest:Bobby is euphoric, screaming.
Guest:Yes, Flair and Bobby's performances are the same right here.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:they're both like gasping for air, but triumphant.
Guest:And they both should be like, they have both had the performance of their life.
Guest:Flair has had the performance of his life as a wrestler, Bobby as an announcer.
Guest:And my favorite thing here is he, Bobby's like, yes, yes.
Guest:I told you, I told you all you humanoids.
Guest:Like he's immediately talking shit on the crowd after he had begged God to let Ric Flair win.
Guest:And he would never say anything bad again.
Guest:Changed man.
Guest:immediately you humanoids i told you so great uh but now okay the match is over we basically talked about bobby and the match and gorilla and i want to take a little sidebar here to talk about then what happens afterwards okay okay hulk hogan and sid justice get back in the ring
Guest:And they start pushing each other because of what just happened on the outside.
Guest:What does the crowd do in response to this?
Guest:They start booing.
Guest:Booing who?
Guest:Hulk Hogan.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Which is appropriate.
Guest:Thank you, Albany.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like this, I cannot emphasize enough.
Guest:This was a Mark crowd.
Guest:This crowd will do whatever they're told.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like they would boo him.
Guest:A bad guy and cheer a baby face, even if they were junk, you know, like the worst baby face come out and get a cheer from this crowd because they were trained that way.
Guest:Here, they were shown something and they made the correct assessment over who was a dick and who was in the right.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:The guy on the right was Sid Justice who was fighting a match to win the world championship and the goal was to throw people out of the ring to win it.
Guest:He did that to Hulk Hogan and Hulk Hogan threw a temper tantrum.
Guest:This is exactly Hulk Hogan and Vince McMahon in their minds how they treat life.
Guest:I am Hulk Hogan or I am Vince McMahon and what I do is inherently correct.
Guest:Oh, I see.
Guest:And so if I do it, it is good and everyone will cheer for me.
Guest:If someone else does it to me or does something that is not in the service of me, it is bad and they will boo that person.
Guest:The idea that those two delusional egomaniacs did not realize that ahead of time on this and booked this this way thinking, well, the crowd, they always love Hulk Hogan.
Guest:So they will love him no matter what he does.
Guest:It is such a, like, you could explain America right now, today, by that booking.
Guest:Like, that is totally the MAGA moment right there.
Guest:The way I did it, it's fine.
Guest:When somebody does it to me, it's bad.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He stole it from me.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Stole it.
Guest:There it is right there.
Guest:That is the stolen election moment of Hulk Hogan freaking out because he lost fair and square.
Guest:Like Sid Justice did not hit him with a chair.
Guest:Sid Justice did not like, uh, uh, uh,
Guest:get eliminated and come back in the ring and throw him out when he was already eliminated.
Guest:This was fair in the rules of the match.
Guest:But these guys were building to a match of Hulk Hogan versus Sid at WrestleMania where they wanted Sid to be the bad guy.
Guest:And this was how they thought they should book it.
Guest:It is mind boggling.
Marc:Why would they do that?
Marc:Why wouldn't they just reverse it so that Sid was the one outside and Sid would get mad and then grab Hulk Hogan?
Marc:Because then Sid was obviously the villain.
Guest:I'm telling you, Chris, I think it's exactly what I'm saying.
Guest:I think they thought as long as... It's like Richard Nixon.
Guest:When the president does it, it's not illegal.
Guest:That's what they thought.
Guest:Well, if Hulk Hogan does it, it's heroic.
Guest:Anything he does... Hulk Hogan won the title in 1984.
Guest:This was 1992.
Guest:This was after eight years of total delusion on their part over running the world.
Guest:They thought...
Guest:We are WWF.
Guest:We are on the top of the food chain.
Guest:Nothing we do will knock us off.
Guest:And Hulk Hogan is the star of all stars.
Guest:So fuck all y'all.
Guest:He either wins or it's wrong.
Guest:If he doesn't win, it's wrong.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:So what happens after this?
Marc:How do they course correct to make sure that Sid is considered the bad guy?
Guest:Oh, talk about Trump.
Guest:Trump.
Guest:This is like the most Trumps.
Guest:I remember when Trump had the hurricane that he said was going to hit a certain place and it didn't.
Guest:So then he took a Sharpie and drew in on there.
Guest:Of course.
Guest:So when they showed this clip, and I can attest to this because I was there.
Guest:When they showed this clip on TV, on like the regular shows on like, you know, Saturday morning and that, they inserted booze.
Guest:No.
Guest:When Sid threw Hogan out.
Guest:No.
Guest:And they inserted cheers when Hulk pulled Sid Justice out.
Guest:Get the fuck out of here.
Guest:That is correct.
Guest:That's diabolical.
Guest:And they had Gorilla re-record commentary to say something like...
Guest:Sid Justice threw Hulk Hogan out.
Guest:That was a betrayal of a pact that they had before this match or something.
Guest:Like, totally tried to retrofit it.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:That's silly.
Marc:I mean, so much effort.
Guest:So much effort.
Guest:Especially because...
Guest:they ultimately set up another angle where Hogan and Sid were tag team partners and Sid turned on him in the match, which is all you need.
Guest:Right.
Guest:This thing.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I will tell you at the event there was, and like I said, this was the Albany crowd that was raised on WWF.
Guest:There was no other wrestling that came to Albany, no WCW, nothing like that.
Guest:This was a,
Guest:What WWF said and did, this crowd cheered for or booed, depending on how they wanted it.
Guest:And there was an old man standing next to me in the crowd.
Guest:And he said, Hulk, you suck, you shithead.
Guest:This was like a grandfather.
Guest:Like he looked like Jimmy Durante.
Guest:Like this is like, he brought his grandkids to the thing and he said, Hulk, you suck, you shithead.
Guest:And I'll remember that till the day I die.
Guest:Perfect.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Well, uh, going back though to the match, uh, it was still a very entertaining to watch and focusing heavily on Bobby and Gorilla's commentary.
Guest:I, I, I couldn't have enjoyed their role in this more.
Guest:Uh,
Guest:I do think that is one of the best called matches ever, but it is largely unique to them.
Guest:You couldn't put other two other guys in this and have them call the match and have it be as good because it was reliant on the story that they were telling in the match of themselves as well as Ric Flair winning this thing.
Guest:Absolutely.
Marc:It was a it's a perfect story.
Marc:Like you didn't have I didn't have to watch a previously on or like a clip show or, you know, clip package.
Marc:I could just roll in here, be like, oh, yeah, Bobby.
Marc:Bobby wants Ric Flair to win.
Marc:Gorilla is just teasing him.
Marc:And it's it's just a delightful story.
Guest:yes yes absolutely well um the delight did not last for much longer uh bobby left the wwf in 1993 his contract was up and he wanted to have less travel he wanted to be closer to his family winds up taking a job in wcw where he was allowed to do that um to get to write him off out of the company they did an angle where gorilla monsoon showed up on monday night raw and threw him out of the building which was a special thing they didn't
Guest:typically allow that.
Guest:Vince, if you were leaving the company, he just kind of pretended you didn't exist anymore.
Guest:And you just like, you know, he wouldn't acknowledge the past histories of guys.
Guest:He wouldn't acknowledge you if you were leaving.
Guest:But he cared enough about Bobby Heenan and his relationship to Gorilla that he let them have one last moment, which is a great moment if you go and watch it.
Guest:Gorilla died at age 62 in 1999, heart failure from diabetes complications.
Guest:At this point with Bobby in WCW, he was on a live Monday Nitro show the day Gorilla died and fought to be able to say something about him.
Guest:They weren't going to let him because Gorilla was never a part of WCW.
Guest:And he said, I'm going to do this whether you give me permission to or not.
Guest:And at the beginning of the show, they mentioned that Gorilla had passed.
Guest:He said, Gorilla will be sadly missed.
Guest:He was one big, tough man.
Guest:He was a decent, honest man.
Guest:And we're all going to miss him very much.
Guest:And you know the pearly gates in heaven?
Guest:It's now going to be called the Gorilla Position.
Guest:Goodbye, my friend.
Marc:Oh, man, I got I got a little emotional just just listening to that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was it was really like it's a true like these guys were were you watch them do their thing on TV and they were true friends who who who communicated that in their performances.
Guest:Uh, Bobby Heenan, he, he developed throat cancer in 2002 and, uh, had 15 years of on and off health complications from that, uh, wound up dying in September of 2017 at age 72.
Guest:So unfortunately they are both no longer with us, but, um,
Guest:I do get a kick out of everything they left us with, and I'm glad to go back and revisit it.
Guest:And I really do think if you've never watched those primetime wrestling things, any single one of them that you turn on and just watch, they'll make you happy.
Guest:They can improve your day just watching Gorilla and Bobby interact with each other.
Guest:I'm going to do that right after we talk, actually.
Guest:There you go.
Marc:uh chris i know that we were wrestling heavy this week is there anything non-wrestling that you uh are doing or looking forward to or experienced i'd say uh watching the succession finale yet again uh are you gonna go back and re-watch yeah yeah i feel like uh it's it's uh it's required honestly it was such a delightful capstone to uh to a beautiful show yeah
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Well, I at some point will go back.
Guest:I've watched the whole series twice.
Guest:Same.
Guest:Like I watched it and then I watched it again.
Guest:And I probably will go back and watch it from the start a third time through.
Guest:It is worth it and I will miss it.
Guest:And yes, we will talk about it.
Guest:And Mark and I will be talking about that next Tuesday on the bonus content here on The Full Marin.
Guest:Until then, this is The Friday Show.
Guest:I'm Brendan.
Guest:That's Chris.
Guest:Peace.