BONUS Archive Deep Dive - More Third Act Guests
Marc:Hey, folks, here's a treat.
Marc:This is some more of the third act comedy we used to do.
Marc:We released these segments in the full Marin on May 23rd.
Marc:These are back at the beginning of the show.
Marc:We used to have a third act of the show.
Marc:There'd be a monologue, an interview, and then these guests.
Marc:And these bits were mostly...
Marc:specifically character improv pieces we weren't really trying to play them off as real at the time but sometimes people took them that way the first one is from episode 27 in 2009 with one of the classic road comics of the 1980s this stand-up legend known as come on now
Marc:I'm sure you've heard of him, or you may have seen him.
Marc:You may not know him by voice, but by name, most people know Come On Now.
Marc:He is one of the, I guess, a veteran comic.
Marc:I mean, God knows, I remember him since I started, and I just want to, I don't usually have people from his generation on the show as much as I should.
Marc:Welcome to the show.
Marc:Come on now.
Marc:Come on now.
Marc:Oh, there he is.
Guest:How you doing?
Guest:How you doing?
Guest:Mark Maron.
Guest:I'm all right, man.
Guest:Good, yeah.
Guest:I'm all right.
Marc:I don't know if you remember, but we worked together, I think, in, it was probably 1989.
Marc:Of course.
Marc:You remember?
Marc:No, I remember.
Marc:Yeah, you did the, yeah, you used to what?
Marc:Yeah, exactly.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:I can tell you remember.
Marc:I did the, you know, I had longer hair.
Marc:Of course.
Marc:We were doing, it was in Cranston, Rhode Island.
Guest:You had different glasses.
Guest:Different glasses.
Guest:You had the bit about the Liberty Bell, right?
Guest:You had the Liberty Bell bit.
Guest:The crack in the Liberty Bell?
Marc:Sure, sure.
Marc:Yeah, and maybe I did have that bit.
Marc:You're funny.
Marc:Yeah, thank you very much.
Marc:You're a funny man.
Marc:The reason I remember is that a bowling alley in Cranston, Rhode Island is a one-nighter.
Marc:It's a big night.
Marc:And I think it was actually before, if I'm not mistaken, I think it was before you called yourself Come On Now.
Guest:Oh, yes, yes.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:You still did the Come On Now, but it didn't become the industry that it did.
Guest:Yeah, well, I changed my name to a stage name.
Guest:From Come On Now?
Guest:Yeah, Jason Goldenhirsch.
Marc:That was what you were using as a stage name.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, and I'd still do the Come On Nows.
Guest:I'd still do my style.
Guest:I mean, I'd do my style, but then I felt guilty about it, and I changed my name back to my God-given name, Come On Now.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Well, you don't want to offend your parents, Mr. and Mrs. Come on now.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Yeah, sure.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:Now, a lot of people don't realize that to have a hook, to be a guy with a hook is very memorable because everybody knows you.
Marc:And that it's not all about the hook.
Marc:You know, you're up there, you're writing every day.
Guest:No, I'm writing every day.
Guest:I mean, come on.
Guest:Let's face it.
Guest:Stand-up comedy is bullshit.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It's terrible.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Now it is.
Guest:Yeah, sure.
Guest:It's horrible.
Guest:People going up on stage, swilling a pint of tapioca and sliming on stage and talking about airplanes and all this bullshit.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:And, you know, me and you, we're different.
Guest:We're artists.
Guest:Yeah, we come from the old school.
Guest:Yeah, we're from the old school.
Guest:So, like, you know, I have a hook, but at the same time, you know, I'm an artist.
Guest:And so I talk about, you know, modern events, popular culture, things that are going on.
Marc:Politics?
Marc:You do any politics?
Guest:Oh, I got tons of political.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:Do you have, like, you're talking about the health care issue at all?
Marc:Oh, sure.
Marc:Of course.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:What do you got?
Guest:Obamacare.
Guest:Come on now.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's like, there's something about the, it's in the waiting, I think.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I think it's in the pause.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So like, what are some of the other topics you've been challenging, you've been working on?
Guest:Oh, it's endless.
Guest:It's endless.
Guest:You know, there's been so many, probably like 2 million commandos over the past, you know, since 84.
Guest:But, you know, today, these days, look, ready?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Let's do a little.
Guest:Let's do a little.
Guest:Let's say I just walked on stage.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Wait, hold on.
Marc:Now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the stage.
Marc:Come on now.
Marc:All right.
Guest:All this dancing on television.
Guest:Come on now.
Guest:Right?
Guest:The Shia LaBeouf phenomenon.
Guest:Come on now.
Guest:These Mormon kiddie rape cults with their effeminate leaders.
Guest:Warren Jeffs.
Guest:I'm not talking about big love here.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I'm talking about the real weirdos.
Guest:All right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Come on now.
Marc:When do you decide to, because have you ever tried jokes that perhaps you turn a phrase or something?
Marc:Oh, like, what are we talking about here?
Marc:Right.
Marc:That's a guy in Seattle.
Marc:What are we talking about?
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Oh, that's right.
Marc:Now, I know that sometimes you build to a bigger come on now.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Marc:That's the build, right?
Guest:Like a bigger come on now would be like, come on now.
Guest:Right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Come on, man.
Guest:How do you decide whether to go over the top like that?
Guest:Well, I mean, it's the subject matter.
Guest:You know, I'll be like, you know, I'll talk about like, you know, hey, funny, you know, funny papers, serious comics mixed in with the funny papers comics, the regular funny ones.
Guest:Come on now.
Guest:That's a little come on now.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But then I'll be like, you know, Octomom and this John Gosling scumbag with the kitty cash grab bonanza.
Marc:come on man yeah yeah yeah right right right you just sort of feel out the audience that's a big come on yeah yeah it depends on the room it depends on the room sure sure yeah now when you when you work a room do you find ever that people you know they they sort of get it early on in the show
Guest:Yeah, they get it early on because it's a very simple concept, and then they will get used to it, and then you surprise them.
Guest:You throw in some come on nows that they might not expect, and then you hit them with a couple zingers.
Guest:And then you mess with the pauses.
Guest:A five-second pause is going to get a different reaction than a 35 one-minute pause.
Marc:Let's try it, because I'm generally a pretty good audience, so let's do the range of pauses that you use, because a lot of people that listen to the show are comedy nerds, and they like to hear about the craft.
Guest:Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course.
Guest:Okay, how about Garfield creator Jim Davis allowing the movie Garfield 2, A Tale of Two Kitties, to be greenlit?
Guest:Come on now.
Guest:Now that was a 10-second pause.
Guest:You're right.
Guest:You've got like an internal time.
Guest:Let's do the same joke.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Garfield creator Jim Davis allowing the movie Garfield, A Tale of Two Kitties, to be greenlit.
Guest:Come on now.
Guest:Pow.
Guest:Right?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Boom.
Guest:Get him.
Guest:Get him.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Depends on it.
Guest:I mean, in Atlanta, at the Laughing Skull.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You think that you got to stay on top of that crowd.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:You've got to stay on top of the crowd, but you're in your more hippie, dippy, crazy, weirdo places, your Rafifis.
Guest:Sure, sure.
Guest:If that still exists.
Marc:Yeah, I know what you're saying.
Marc:Yeah, the alternative comedy guys.
Guest:Yeah, you can give them alternative comedy guys.
Marc:They seem to give you some respect, though.
Marc:I've seen you at the UCB.
Guest:Oh, definitely.
Guest:I'm always at the UCB, always doing Comedy Death Ray, always doing Scenics Tuesday.
Guest:Have you got any CDs out?
Guest:Yeah, I got a CD.
Guest:It's coming out now.
Guest:It's Come On Now 18.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Guest:Yeah, Come On Now 18.
Guest:Did you do 18 other ones?
Guest:I did 18 other ones.
Guest:I've been doing them once a year for 18 years.
Marc:Do you record them in front of a live audience?
Marc:No.
Marc:Oh, just at home?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Why not?
Marc:Why not?
Marc:Why not save yourself the expense?
Guest:Yeah, I got a little studio.
Guest:It's covered in foam.
Guest:It's in a refrigerator box.
Guest:I sit in there.
Marc:You sit in the refrigerator box at home?
Marc:Oh, I will.
Guest:I'll sit in the refrigerator box.
Marc:Does that work?
Marc:Because I feel like I'm not insulated enough.
Marc:Do you think I should put egg cartons up or something?
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:You do?
Guest:Egg cartons will make this into a real studio.
Guest:Do you live alone or do you live with... No, I have a wife.
Guest:You do?
Guest:Her name is Get Out of Town.
Guest:No.
Guest:No, it is.
Guest:No, come on.
Guest:She changed her name.
Guest:She changed her name, yeah.
Guest:So do you guys do that around the house?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm like, come on now.
Guest:She's like, Get Out of Town.
Guest:It's a sexy game we play.
Guest:It's usually, you know, at least a sex.
Guest:Do you ever really talk?
Guest:Do we ever really talk?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, I mean, we'll be like, you know, we'll have some pasta.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:We'll be eating the pasta.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Eating it, eating it, eating it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'll be like, ugh, come on now.
Guest:And she'll be like, get out of town.
Guest:And then we'll fucking, you know, turn on Leno Ateno.
Guest:I love some Leno Ateno.
Guest:Turn on Leno Ateno.
Guest:Did he make that up?
Guest:Did you make it off?
Guest:Leno Ateno?
Guest:Oh, no, no, that's mine.
Guest:It is?
Guest:Oh, no, that's mine.
Guest:That's terrific.
Guest:That's mine.
Guest:Leno Ateno is mine.
Guest:You should probably ask me.
Guest:Have you been on Leno?
Guest:I've never been on Leno.
Guest:Leno Ateno?
Guest:I think that if you shot him an email, he said Leno Ateno.
Guest:No.
Guest:No, I offended his booker.
Guest:What are you talking about?
Guest:I want to tell him.
Guest:I said, hey, man.
Guest:Your shirt?
Guest:Come on now.
Guest:I didn't mean to be completely insulting, but you had a ridiculous shirt on, so your shirt, come on now.
Marc:Now, when you travel, do you just drive around?
Guest:Yeah, I'm afraid of flying.
Marc:Are you?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Come on now.
Guest:No.
Guest:I like that.
Guest:That's good.
Guest:Don't fuck with me, all right?
Guest:I'm sorry.
Guest:Don't steal my ass.
Guest:I'm sorry.
Guest:Don't steal your jokes.
Marc:I didn't steal your Liberty Bell routine.
Marc:Yeah, I'm not even sure I did that joke, but I was being polite.
Marc:But if we're going to have a problem here on my show, that's fine with me.
Marc:Oh, you're being polite?
Marc:I don't need you to be polite with me.
Marc:You don't, huh?
Marc:No.
Guest:Come on now.
Marc:All right, well, look, I'll be honest with you.
Marc:When we worked together, you were a douchebag.
Marc:You asked me to sell your Come On Now t-shirts.
Marc:I was a fucking douchebag.
Marc:Who asked the opener when you're working with him?
Marc:Like, hey, by the way, I'm going to be backstage.
Marc:Do you mind sitting at the table?
Guest:Listen, yeah, I have a table for merchandise.
Guest:You're opening for me.
Guest:You should be happy to sell my merchandise.
Marc:Look, I was just starting.
Marc:Now, I was looking to learn, and I got to deal with you.
Marc:I got to sit there with Come On Now t-shirts.
Marc:And then you were selling I'm With Stupid t-shirts, which you didn't even make up.
Guest:Yeah, I didn't even make that up, but I made more money on the I'm With Stupid t-shirts than the Come On Now t-shirts.
Guest:So you told me where the logic is, Maren, all right?
Guest:I know you're big time, all right?
Guest:I'm not big time.
Guest:I know you're big time now, okay?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You're big.
Guest:You're big.
Guest:In the stratosphere.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And you think you're all great, and I'm still slumming it out in Sheepshead Bay.
Guest:Whose fault is that?
Guest:Whose fault is that?
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:What are you doing in Los Angeles?
Marc:I mean, I heard they were thinking about doing a come on now show, and you're acting all like the victim here.
Guest:No, my brother lost his house.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:My brother lost his house, and I've come here to just get down on my knees in front of the people who bought the house and just begged them to give them the house back.
Marc:Really?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And how does that look?
Marc:Do you just stand outside?
Guest:I'm going to go up to these guys and be like, this house.
Guest:come on now i'm just gonna be like come on now give it back to my brother hopefully they've seen the act if they haven't you know it's not a big deal but you know i think they'll get the point and by the way that little bit of friction we had about our past yeah i'm sorry look you know i i've you know i worked with a lot of guys you you know it was uh you know you're at a different point now it was the 80s you're all hopped up yeah i was i was you're out of control quite honestly cocaine it was ridiculous i was blinking in and out
Marc:Yeah, well, now that I talk to you, I realized back then because you were doing the Coke and you're already bitter about shit.
Marc:And honestly, the difference between your style now and then when you're on Coke, because the come on nows were very quick.
Marc:Have you ever watched tape of yourself when you were on Coke?
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:It's like crazy.
Marc:I can't believe it.
Marc:Right.
Marc:You were like, oh, there's healthcare.
Marc:Come on now.
Marc:Come on now.
Guest:It's like Reaganomics.
Guest:Come on now.
Guest:Star Wars.
Guest:Come on now.
Guest:Okay, it's my time.
Guest:There was no beat.
Guest:Yeah, there was no beat.
Guest:Now that I've mellowed out, I've gotten funny.
Guest:I'm the funniest that I've ever been, which is why it's very surprising that I can't afford to do anything.
Marc:Maybe people still remember the way you were then.
Marc:You've got to make some apologies.
Guest:Yeah, maybe I should.
Marc:Maybe you should go down to Leno at Tenno.
Guest:Yeah, Leno at Tenno.
Marc:I'm sorry.
Guest:Yeah, please.
Guest:I implore you, have me on your show.
Marc:Right, and that would be a different sort of like, instead of the come on now that you're used to doing, maybe you should change your tone a little bit.
Guest:I need some work.
Guest:come on now yeah you know yeah it's not funny but it's effective it's still got the same power you know my my sister's kids don't talk to me they look at me and they turn around and walk away come on now
Marc:Yeah, right.
Guest:Give me some work.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Put me on.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Leno Ateno.
Marc:Did you ever think maybe you could change the whole hook and just maybe lose the come on now and just make it give me some work?
Guest:Give me some work.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:How about this?
Guest:How about this?
Guest:Use one of your old jokes and just try it.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, do one of my jokes from the 90s.
Guest:Lewinsky Gate.
Guest:Give me some work.
Guest:Give me some work.
Guest:I think that's great.
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:I'm throwing that out there.
Marc:I'm trying to help out like an old friend.
Marc:Maybe a come on now in the way you always do it and then a give me some work.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Let me do one of my ones from the 70s here.
Guest:This peanut farmer we got in the White House here.
Guest:Come on now.
Guest:Give me some work.
Guest:I think that might work.
Guest:I think that might work.
Guest:Give me some work.
Guest:I think that's actually a really good hook.
Guest:Come on now.
Guest:Give me some work.
Marc:We're in a recession.
Guest:I'm serious that I'm going to do that on stage.
Guest:I really am.
Guest:Come on now.
Guest:Give me some work.
Marc:I really will.
Marc:I think that that's great.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Well, I'm glad I could help out.
Marc:I certainly appreciate you spending time with me.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Obviously, you can get all 18 of Come On Now CDs.
Marc:They're available.
Marc:Are they on iTunes?
Marc:No.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Are they on CD?
Guest:You can go to ComeOnNow.com.
Guest:It's back up and running.
Guest:Are you sure?
Guest:Yep.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:Check it out.
Marc:He says ComeOnNow.com is back up and running.
Marc:And anytime he's in your town, I mean, go see him.
Marc:I mean, come on now.
Marc:Come on now.
Marc:Give him some work.
Marc:Give me some work.
Marc:All right.
Marc:That was John Daly as Come On Now.
Marc:Now, this next one is from episode 62 in 2010, and the guests were husband and wife psychologists Jerry and Kathy McDowell offering their secrets to a perfect marriage.
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Marc:Okay, folks, as many of you know, I have been through two marriages and neither one of them are what I would call successful marriages because they're over.
Marc:So I thought it would be appropriate to book a guest or a series of guests, this being the first of a series, this couple, to talk about marriages.
Marc:Now, this book, The Perfect Marriage, is by Jerry and Kathy McDowell.
Marc:who I have here in the garage at the Cat Ranch.
Marc:Welcome, Jerry.
Marc:Welcome, Kathy.
Marc:Thank you.
Guest:Thank you, Mark.
Marc:Thank you very much.
Marc:I thought the book was helpful, if not a unique approach to what most people would call the perfect marriage.
Marc:I would think people would be surprised when they read this at some of the things that you guys explore.
Marc:Really?
Marc:You have written several books.
Marc:One, some parents may know masturbation is okay.
Guest:Because it is.
Marc:It is okay.
Marc:Because it is.
Marc:You don't have to convince me.
Marc:I'm sold.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But I guess some parents have this guilt they attach to that act.
Guest:Oh, do they?
Guest:So we're speaking to unenlightened people.
Marc:Now, what is the primary thrust of that book?
Guest:Well, it's just that at any age, masturbation is okay.
Guest:And if you see it in a toddler or, you know, just at any, whenever your kids start to explore their genitals, it should be encouraged and talked about and you should share in that in whatever way you can.
Guest:And I think empirically, my wife and I, we have a son, James, who we were able actually to study and teach him what we believe about masturbation.
Guest:So I think it's actually not philosophical, but it's actually very practical in the upbringing of a child.
Guest:He was in a lot of field work.
Guest:So you're saying that you showed your son how to masturbate?
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:I did.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:I have no shame about that.
Guest:And I think he grew up.
Marc:It was a beautiful day.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It was a beautiful day.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Now, I'm almost hesitant to ask about the other book, Potty Paradise.
Marc:Potty Paradise.
Guest:That's basically a potty training video when our son was, I believe, three and a half.
Guest:It's a DVD along with a book, teaching book.
Guest:And again, we documented our
Guest:struggle to teach a boy how to poo-poo and pee-pee in the potty.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Marc:Well, that seems normal.
Marc:I mean, was there anything unusual about that?
Guest:None of this is unusual.
Guest:I find none of the books unusual.
Marc:Well, let's get to the current book because it most applies to me.
Marc:In The Perfect Marriage, how long have you two been married?
Marc:23 wonderful years.
Guest:Wonderful, wonderful years.
Marc:And you both, well, okay, well, let's just get right into it.
Marc:I mean, how do you make it work?
Marc:That's a long time.
Marc:You've had one child.
Marc:How many children do you have?
Guest:We have one.
Marc:From what I understand, if I read the book properly, you spend a lot of time apart, am I not?
Guest:Well, I think to throw out the major crux of the book is that relationships are stronger if you stay independent.
Guest:In our vows, Kath and I at our wedding vows, we said, I will never compromise myself for you.
Guest:And that was sort of the mandate that has made our marriage successful.
Marc:Well, that's interesting because usually it's the other way.
Marc:Usually it's I will do anything for you.
Marc:I'll be loyal to you.
Guest:But we won't.
Guest:And that's the difference.
Guest:We won't do anything.
Marc:Well, let's say he got sick.
Guest:Well, we've already discussed this, actually, and it depends how sick he got.
Guest:I mean, if he were to become unattractive and lose a significant amount of weight, I won't promise.
Guest:And I haven't promised to see that through with him.
Guest:And vice versa.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, my suspicion is Kath will be around, but I cannot ask her or demand that she owes me something because we are individuals.
Guest:What's the point of being married then?
Guest:To enjoy each other's company, to have fantastic sex.
Guest:You do have good sex.
Guest:To raise a child.
Guest:We have amazing sex.
Guest:You've had good sex for 23 years.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:One of the things we did when we first set up our home is we declared a sex room.
Guest:We built a sex room where we can basically act like animals.
Guest:It's basically a hard floor and some ropes.
Marc:Nothing soft in the room?
Guest:No.
Guest:There's some water bottles.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Water bottles.
Guest:So we can stay hydrated.
Guest:And there's a pillow, but the pillow got a little grody, so we threw it out.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:We do need a pillow.
Guest:Remind me.
Guest:I do.
Guest:So you have a sex room.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:How often do you have sex?
Marc:You don't mind me asking?
Guest:Well, one of the things we do, I guess we have a bit of behavior modification in us, is we promise each other we will have intercourse four times a month and oral sex at least three.
Guest:Separate?
Marc:Can oral happen at this time?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Sometimes we can knock off, you know, a couple in an oral in a session.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Do you keep a tally?
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:Oh, that's scheduled every month.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, on a day.
Guest:And if I'm busy or if I'm out of town, I'll have to catch up in February if I didn't perform in January or, you know, we can trade out.
Guest:You know, it's very negotiable.
Guest:It's a very fluid economy.
Guest:Does anything happen spontaneously?
Guest:Oh, God, no.
Guest:It's so much more satisfying when we know exactly what we're in for.
Guest:Yeah, I think the expectations are there, and that's why marriages fail is because people don't have fair expectations or they don't speak their expectations.
Guest:With Kath and I, our cards, literally, we have oral sex cards or intercourse cards.
Guest:We even have a silent card.
Guest:For example, sometimes I feel like Kath doesn't let me talk, so I'll give her a silent card, and she has to be quiet for two hours.
Guest:While you're having sex.
Guest:No, no.
Guest:Anywhere.
Guest:Anywhere in the world.
Guest:I could get a silent card during this interview.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Kath had a lecture she was giving at the Behavior Psychology Department.
Guest:It was a pretty big deal.
Guest:It was a big deal.
Guest:And she frustrated me because she wasn't listening about this argument we'd had about the carpeting.
Guest:So right before she went on stage, I gave her a silent card.
Guest:And she couldn't give the speech.
Guest:You honored him.
Guest:Of course I did.
Guest:It was time to be silent.
Marc:And you stood up there.
Guest:Silent.
Marc:And how'd that go over it?
Marc:It was confusing.
Guest:It was definitely confusing for the crowd.
Guest:But I think ultimately, when I look back, I'm glad I didn't speak.
Guest:Yeah, because what speaking to something you asked earlier, our first priority in our lives is to make each other happy.
Marc:I know it might not seem like it from what you're saying, but I just don't know how I'm going to find somebody who's going to follow these rules.
Marc:I mean, some of them seem OK, but you're telling me that you find couples that that read this book and both people are on board.
Guest:Well, you know, one of the best things we put in our book is in-laws or friends are never welcome in our home.
Guest:No friends?
Guest:No friends.
Guest:Because it creates fiction and it creates tension.
Guest:So we always meet outside of the home.
Guest:The friends.
Guest:And in-laws.
Guest:It started with in-laws because Kat's in-laws are rather difficult.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Let's focus a little bit on child rearing here because you do have a son.
Marc:Now, where does...
Marc:Does he get to have friends over?
Marc:Does he know about all this stuff?
Marc:Is there the sex room and all this?
Guest:Well, for the first eight years, there were no friends at the house because Kath was still breastfeeding.
Marc:Breastfeeding until eight years old.
Guest:Just shy.
Guest:Just shy.
Guest:Is that right?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:They had an incredible mother-child bond.
Guest:It was so beautiful, Mark.
Guest:There is nothing like seeing your child walk up to you and ask you for your teeth.
Guest:And you can see this, not to plug it, but you can see this in our DVD that comes with our book, Weaning Your Boy.
Marc:What about sex with the kids in terms of teaching him about sex?
Guest:We talked a little bit about masturbation in your last book, so when it comes to talking about... We have another book about that called Birds and Bees Talk, where we filmed ourselves teaching James about all the wonderful elements of becoming a sexual human being.
Guest:What does that mean?
Guest:What did you film?
Guest:Our sit-downs with him.
Guest:Yeah, our sit-downs.
Guest:And the series of exercises we did in front of him for him to really understand.
Guest:It's just hard.
Guest:He's a very visual boy.
Guest:And you have to know how your children learn.
Guest:Audio visuals.
Guest:Like we would bring in some of Kat's dildos, for example.
Guest:And we would go through average-sized penis to mutated penis or whatever.
Guest:But what about the actual act of intercourse?
Guest:Lovemaking.
Guest:Fine.
Guest:How did we teach him that?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Well, when he was, I believe he was 16 years old and was still a virgin, and I ponied up some money and got him a prostitute.
Marc:That seems really old school and kind of crap.
Guest:A prostitute with a doctorate degree in sexuality.
Guest:And fully tested for all STDs.
Guest:And how'd that go for James?
Guest:He loved it.
Guest:Yeah, he had a great time.
Guest:He loved it.
Guest:And a beautiful woman.
Guest:Oh, she was lovely.
Guest:And still a family friend.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:Still a family friend.
Guest:And we sat her down afterwards to find out just how she would rate his performance.
Yeah.
Guest:She was also part of our experiment on James.
Guest:We had a bunch of questions for her, how he performed, what were his hang-ups, because it all went into the book about birds and bees talk.
Marc:Now, I don't usually do this, but I'm not really a journalist, but after reading your book and knowing I was going to talk to you, and it's been very enlightening.
Marc:I'm not sure which way.
Marc:I don't know what you mean by that.
Marc:Well, I didn't know that people live like this.
Marc:I mean, it's fairly specific, and I know you think it's... In academia, it's fairly common.
Guest:I can tell you that, Mark.
Guest:What are you saying?
Guest:In the upper levels of education, there are many couples... In the academy where we work, yes.
Guest:There are many couples like us.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:When you go to some seminar at a university, this is going on.
Marc:Well, when I was doing some research on you on Google...
Marc:I came upon a James McDowell, who I now know as your son.
Marc:He's in a fairly popular Marilyn Manson cover band called The Beautiful People.
Marc:That's true.
Marc:And after reading your book, I thought, well, this kid deserves to have a voice.
Marc:And I've asked him to join us.
Marc:Let me let him in.
Marc:Hold on.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:All right, this will go.
Guest:I guess this is what it is.
Guest:I haven't seen him.
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:Hello, James.
Guest:Hi, sweetie.
Guest:I haven't seen you in a few days.
Guest:I know.
Guest:How are you?
Guest:Excellent.
Guest:How are you?
Marc:That's a wonderful shirt you're wearing.
Marc:Thank you.
Marc:I made it.
Marc:I've been talking to your parents, James.
Marc:It's nice to meet you, and I appreciate you coming down today to do this, because I read their book, and I sort of browsed some of their other books, and I just think...
Marc:In the way I was brought up, which wasn't really that great either, that you got two parents who are psychologists.
Marc:I knew a lot of kids growing up as psychologists.
Marc:And, you know, these are their sex rooms.
Marc:They're up in your shit all the time.
Marc:Excuse me.
Marc:I mean, what was that like?
Guest:It was insane.
Guest:Just so crazy.
Guest:You guys can see a lot of it on my blog.
Guest:Can I plug my blog?
Guest:Yeah, sure.
Guest:It's called perfectshmurfect.tumblr.com.
Guest:It deals with a lot of the... Do they know about that?
Guest:I think...
Guest:I think they do.
Guest:I've seen links to it.
Guest:I don't really care to go in there because I feel like I have a good relationship with my son.
Guest:So I don't want to dig up.
Guest:So that's one place you're not going to be intrusive.
Guest:And if I need to talk about my son, that's on the Internet.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:That's his private.
Guest:To me, that's his diary.
Guest:I wouldn't read my son's diary.
Marc:You were having someone write a basically a status report of his first sexual experience.
Marc:You're not going to read his blog.
Guest:Because, again, boundaries are tantamount to successful relationships, and I feel like he's declaring a space on the web or net.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:I've noticed you're not really talking here, James.
Marc:Now, do you have something to say to your parents in the sense of, because I'm just curious, there's a sex room in the house?
Guest:The sex room, yeah, we've had a sex room.
Guest:They installed it when I was five, five years old.
Guest:They speak of boundaries.
Guest:I don't really feel like you've ever had any boundaries.
Guest:It was soundproof.
Guest:That's not true, James.
Guest:You have complete freedom in our yard.
Guest:In the yard?
Guest:Yes, but I mean, we support you, but we don't invade your life, I don't think, do we?
Guest:Is he a dog?
Guest:Is he a dog in the yard?
Guest:Thank you.
Guest:Well, the back area, we built a garage that is a wonderful studio apartment for our son.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:Is it a wonderful studio apartment, or is it like this?
Guest:It is pretty nice.
Guest:It is a pretty nice apartment.
Guest:We've done fairly well.
Guest:They won't let me move out, though.
Guest:I'm not allowed to go to college.
Guest:Why?
Guest:I wasn't allowed to go to college.
Guest:Too far away from the nest, they said.
Guest:Well, it's not, you know, we just, he's an adult now.
Guest:He's over 18 years old.
Guest:And we just don't think we should have to pay for college.
Guest:In fact, we are still waiting.
Guest:And this is no pressure, James, but everything we've spent on you.
Guest:They invoiced me.
Guest:When I turned 18, they invoiced me for every expense that I've caused them since I was born.
Guest:But with no interest.
Marc:What is that?
Marc:How much money was that?
Guest:I think it was $3.1 million.
Marc:So you've got him basically staying at home, owing you $3.1 million, and you hold that over him?
Marc:And that's somehow appropriate?
Marc:And I didn't get any of the book money, even though all these books were written about me.
Guest:The book money will be yours when you're 39, okay?
Guest:And you get 2%.
Guest:2%?
Guest:Well, he didn't participate as a writer.
Guest:I think we're being very generous.
Guest:We've had lawyers have these deals in front of all of us, and I think they're very fair.
Guest:I don't feel like I'm exploiting my son, if that's what you're saying, James.
Guest:I support you whenever you do.
Guest:I've gone and seen many of your shows.
Guest:We built a wonderful space for you and your friends.
Marc:The kid deserves an education.
Marc:He deserves to be allowed out of the house.
Guest:We're not disallowing an education, Mark.
Guest:There are wonderful community colleges in our area, and he can pursue that.
Guest:You're a teacher's.
Marc:right you're a teacher yes sir you teach college yes sir all right so you got a son that you're going to send to community college you have money you've written books about him and you've he's obviously i feel like he's being held hostage well we're very old-fashioned i i'm old-fashioned you guys bring yourself up by your bootstraps we paid for our own school they say i'm an investment and they've put a down payment on me until i can pay them back
Marc:3.1 million dollars.
Marc:3.1 mil.
Marc:So, James, I mean, you know, I don't want to bring this up like this, but it sounds to me, in listening to them, that you could probably press charges for some of these videos.
Marc:I mean, you were like, what were you, 15?
Guest:They brought a prostitute over?
Guest:Well, technically, she was my dad's intern, so she was getting college credit for it, so I don't think that she's a prostitute.
Guest:She's not a professional street walker.
Guest:Did you pay her?
Guest:She got study hours.
Guest:Okay.
Marc:It's like a work study program.
Guest:I may have presented her as a prostitute.
Guest:She's not a prostitute.
Marc:Well, I guess what I'm saying, James, is I'm getting angry at your parents.
Marc:Aren't you angry at your parents?
Marc:I'm absolutely angry with my parents.
Marc:Well, then what are you going to do about it?
Marc:Continue to take it.
Guest:If you have an angry card on you, we would receive it.
Guest:I'm going to give you a hug card.
Guest:I don't want a hug card.
Guest:Well, you have one.
Guest:What's the angry card?
Guest:An angry card is an index card that has the word angry on it.
Guest:And a frown.
Guest:And if James feels angry, he can present us with one of those cards.
Guest:And if I collect 10 of those within a week, then we have to have a sit down and talk about why he's angry.
Guest:Why can't we just sit down and talk about what I'm angry about?
Guest:Because I haven't received any.
Guest:Let's do it now.
Guest:Let's do it now.
Guest:I don't mean to be a stickler, but I need to see 10 angry cards in front of me.
Guest:We're not in your world now.
Guest:We're in my world.
Guest:But this is behavior modification.
Guest:We want to have a nice interview, but we just don't have all the cards.
Guest:If you want to spend them, if you want to use them, I have them on me.
Guest:Do you want me to hand them to you?
Guest:Of course I do.
Guest:I can't just talk.
Guest:I have a couple.
Guest:Of course I do.
Guest:I have a couple angry cards.
Guest:Let me see them.
Guest:I may just honor them, Mark.
Marc:You may just honor them?
Guest:Well, we have separate currencies.
Guest:We're out of your fucking minds.
Guest:I resent that.
Guest:Mark can give you two.
Guest:Okay, fine.
Guest:I guess we're now having an angry conversation.
Marc:Yeah, he'll go his eight, and I'll go two.
Guest:Fair enough.
Guest:You can have yours back, Mark.
Marc:Thank you for doing this.
Marc:You're giving it back to me?
Guest:You're damaging our economy.
Guest:Well, I don't appreciate a lot of the things that you guys did when I was growing up, like the books and stuff.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Can I?
Guest:No.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:I don't like that my potty training is out there.
Guest:People can watch that right now.
Guest:People I know, I don't like that...
Guest:My wiener doesn't work now.
Guest:Whoa.
Marc:What do you mean your wiener doesn't work?
Guest:I haven't been able to sustain an erection since I was 17 years old.
Guest:Why is that?
Guest:Could that have something to do with the breastfeeding until you're 8?
Guest:The breastfeeding until I was 8.
Guest:The family roundhouse masturbation.
Marc:What is that?
Marc:Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Guest:Family brownhouse masturbation.
Guest:They said it wasn't a race, but I don't see any other point than a race.
Guest:The rules are the same as a race.
Guest:They get real mad and give me an angry card when I called it a race.
Guest:All right, Jerry, you can talk.
Marc:Thank you.
Guest:Explain yourself.
Guest:The roundabout was we would go into separate rooms.
Guest:And we would just say, go.
Guest:And whoever reached orgasm first won the race.
Guest:And they got a free ice cream sundae.
Marc:He had to bring proof.
Marc:What's the point of that?
Marc:This kid is so confused, he can't even find his anger.
Guest:I'm willing to talk about fixing the penis issue right now.
Guest:There's two-way glass.
Guest:The whole time growing up, there's two-way glass between my room and the sex room.
Guest:And for whatever reason, they installed that when they built it.
Guest:And I could see out, but nobody could see it in my room.
Guest:I don't get that.
Guest:Why did you do that?
Guest:Well, that was just an honest mistake.
Guest:That was supposed to be a guest room.
Guest:And it was later covered with a poster of Mick Jagger.
Marc:Listen to your tone.
Marc:So you're saying, like, now you're saying I can fix the penis problem?
Marc:You've caused this kid nothing but problems.
Marc:You can't fix anything.
Marc:You guys are ridiculous.
Guest:I don't believe we caused the dysfunction in his penis, Mark.
Guest:I truly don't.
Guest:What do you think it is, Jerry?
What?
Marc:I think it's our society, if you really want to know.
Marc:I think you're in denial, and you both are a couple of freaks, and I'm amazed that anybody's buying your book.
Marc:I resent that term.
Marc:This is not a good interview at this point.
Guest:Give me an angry card.
Guest:This is name-calling.
Guest:You don't have angry cards.
Guest:I will give you an angry card.
Guest:Don't do that.
Guest:Come with me, Jerry, unless you have an angry card.
Guest:You have an angry card.
Guest:You don't even know what to do with them.
Guest:Jerry, be careful.
Guest:Take that card back, Jerry.
Guest:I'll take the card back.
Guest:You should be in a hospital.
Guest:The kid can move in here.
Guest:Thank you.
Guest:I'd love to.
Guest:We have done nothing.
Guest:Our child has never been molested.
Guest:We have fed him.
Guest:We have clothed him.
Guest:We have never touched him.
Guest:We have never touched him sexually, ever.
Guest:He was breastfeeding until he was aged.
Guest:Is breastfeeding a sexual thing to you?
Guest:It is to me.
Guest:Breastfeeding is absolutely a sexual thing to me.
Guest:I scour Craigslist every day looking for lactating women.
Guest:Does your business work for that?
Guest:No, it doesn't.
Guest:I get off on the shame, and I can only ejaculate from internal stimulation.
Guest:What does that mean?
Guest:Like massaging my prostate from inside of my body.
Guest:I understand.
Marc:Well, that's fine.
Marc:Let me just try to summarize a little bit here.
Marc:You two have a marriage where you're fairly separate.
Marc:Independent, but loving.
Marc:You have a sex room.
Marc:You sleep in different rooms, probably?
Guest:Yes, sir.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Okay, that's not so unusual.
Marc:You have a son here that you experimented on who can't get it up even when he tries to enjoy the one thing that he fetishizes, which is women who are breastfeeding and he can only have an orgasm by sticking his finger in his ass.
Marc:And he lives in a garage in the back and you say he owes you $3 million.
Marc:And somehow or another, you call this successful parenting and you say you have a successful marriage.
Marc:Well, if you paint it like that.
Guest:That wasn't a very rosy picture.
Marc:Or were those all facts?
Marc:I think those are selective facts.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Let me add a few other ones.
Marc:You have no talk Tuesdays.
Marc:You give each other anger cards and quiet cards.
Marc:And you don't allow friends or relatives in the house.
Marc:You have sex with interns and...
Marc:Okay, I don't want to be closed-minded, and I'm going to let my listeners decide what they want to decide.
Marc:So why don't you tell me the name of the book.
Marc:It's called The Perfect Marriage.
Guest:Perfect Marriage will be at the Pasadena Barnes & Noble, and you can also reach us.
Guest:How do you draw in Pasadena?
Guest:Very well, very well.
Guest:There's a big academic population there.
Guest:And we also have jerryandcalfphd.com.
Guest:And I'm sure, James, you have a show you'd love to promote or something.
Guest:Yeah, I have my band, The Beautiful People.
Guest:We're going to play at the Squash.
Guest:Can I just say something to your listeners?
Guest:They're not, the band is not very good.
Guest:So I just want to adjust the James.
Guest:This is just about me adjusting expectations.
Guest:My penis isn't going to work after this interview.
Guest:We have two original songs.
Guest:Two original songs.
Guest:It's a cover band.
Guest:He's a Marilyn Manson cover band.
Guest:Well, they play to a karaoke track.
Guest:I think he's wonderful.
Guest:I just think he's wonderful when you know what you're getting, which is something fairly mediocre.
Yeah.
Guest:Thank you, Mom.
Guest:You're welcome.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Well, Jerry, Kathy, James, I thank you for being my guest.
Guest:Thank you so much.
Guest:This was wonderful.
Guest:I really enjoyed this.
Guest:Was it wonderful?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yes, it was.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:James?
Guest:It was okay.
Guest:I appreciate the support.
Marc:Okay, buddy.
Guest:Do you need a ride home?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You guys want to let me drive?
Marc:Okay.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Thank you.
Marc:That was Matt Walsh as Jerry, June, Diane, Rayfield as Kathy and James Pumphrey as their son.
Marc:And finally, a third act guest who is a character, but not a fictional one.
Marc:It's my father.
Marc:This was a phone call I had with him about some new idea he had for me to become the next Don Imus, basically.
Marc:And this fit right in with the comedy guests we were doing in the third act of the show, obviously.
Guest:I'm Aaron.
Marc:Hey, it's Mark.
Guest:How you doing, man?
Marc:Good.
Marc:How you doing?
Marc:What are you doing?
Marc:You just sitting there sending me emails?
Guest:I had some ideas.
Guest:Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Marc:Everything's cool.
Marc:What, are you sitting there with a patient now?
Guest:No.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Well, let's talk about this idea.
Marc:Let me see if I got the email here.
Marc:Not manic, colon.
Marc:He'll give you the land.
Marc:He'll give you the land.
Guest:Right now, he's a very good guy.
Guest:He's a very good patient.
Guest:I don't know what his assets are, but he owns 8,000 acres.
Guest:He's got a couple of brothers.
Guest:And his life has been just riding bulls right up until yesterday.
Guest:But he had a seizure, a grandma's seizure on Sunday, another one on Monday.
Guest:Drives all the way in from Ruedo to see me because I'm the guy who's taking care of him.
Guest:I suggested just, you know, I said, first of all, you've got all this land.
Guest:Why don't you use it?
Guest:Why don't you, like, fill my scout ranch?
Guest:Get my house, see if they want an extended area to send Boy Scouts to.
Guest:You know what I mean, number one.
Guest:Number two, I says, Don Amos, yeah, he listens to Amos.
Guest:I think he's got this thing going from not far from, I guess, up over there near Santa Fe.
Guest:Yeah, I know where that is.
Guest:And I said, you know, maybe get in touch with Imus and see if he wants to extend his holdings and increase his share because he gives a lot of, supposedly, a lot of access to kids to go up there and play cowboy and to rehabilitate their screwed-up lives in the cities, right?
Guest:Right.
Guest:And then I was thinking, you know,
Guest:If he's got this land and you've got some connections, you've got a few people that you want to set up there near Ruido, so I don't know where it is near.
Guest:You have to go out and look at it.
Guest:And you want to set up access there and put up a playhouse and whatever, a little bit of that, and run a show place out of there and be a radio personality, which you would seem to like to do, you've got an option here to do it.
Marc:No, no, I mean, I think it's an interesting idea that, you know, I'm doing it out of my small garage behind my house, but somehow or another that if I had a lot of land, that that would somehow make it better, easier for me to do radio, just because Imus is down the street.
Marc:I like the idea.
Marc:That somehow or another, in your mind, look, Imus has got property nearby.
Marc:So I figure if you get my son set up on a compound, that him, yeah, maybe he could just hijack some of Imus' signals.
Marc:Or maybe, who knows, Bob, maybe I could call Imus and say, hey, why don't I just run a wire from your place down to my house and we'll, you know, we'll just, I'll be on your, like, a secondary channel.
Marc:You know what?
Marc:Let's have the bull rider call Don Imus.
Marc:And then you get me and you conference me in.
Marc:And then you can be there, too, in case people aren't clear about it.
Marc:So let me get this idea.
Marc:We got the rodeo rider and we got Don Imus and you on the phone.
Marc:And you say, look, Don, my son wants to do radio.
Marc:And my friend who rides bulls, he's on the phone, too.
Marc:He's got somewhere not far from you.
Marc:So I figured there's got to be a way we can work this out.
Marc:You know what happened after that?
Marc:They would take you to the hospital.
Marc:They would take you to the hospital.
Marc:But I like the idea, too.
Marc:It's a good idea.
Guest:Yeah, you could pull something off.
Guest:I mean, at your point in life, you know, you're doing this, and I don't know what you're doing, but whatever you're doing, if you're happy, that's great.
Guest:But if you've got an opportunity to do something that seemed like a great idea, there's nobody else out there in Ruedoso, you know, broadcasting or having a playhouse, I mean,
Guest:You've got all these connections.
Guest:You've got all these talents.
Marc:All right, let me just ask you something practical.
Marc:All right, so let's examine the playhouse idea.
Marc:So how do you see that exactly?
Marc:So he's got a lot of land out there.
Marc:Now there's dirt roads to the areas?
Marc:Like he's going to give me a... Let's say he gives me five acres.
Marc:Is that near the highway?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I have no idea how it's set up.
Guest:I'm sure he would give you anything you wanted because...
Guest:He would do that for me.
Guest:Okay, all right.
Marc:So let's say we get it kind of near the highway, and then we have someone design a playhouse.
Marc:Okay, so then I got the playhouse in Rio Doso.
Marc:It's near the highway.
Marc:And we could maybe even put on the billboards, not far from Don Imus' ranch.
Marc:And I call a couple of my friends.
Marc:I say, you guys, you want to come do a comedy show?
Marc:And they go, where?
Marc:How much does it pay?
Marc:I'm like, well, no, it's just a playhouse.
Marc:It's in Rio Doso, New Mexico.
Marc:It's not far from Don Imus' place.
Marc:And...
Marc:I figure we just, we'll see what we make and we'll split it.
Marc:Well, you'll come out.
Marc:My dad, this is my dad's idea.
Marc:It's great.
Marc:Well, I don't know.
Marc:Hold on.
Marc:I got to call him and ask him where the fuck you fly into.
Marc:Cause I don't know.
Marc:Hey, let's wait.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Where do, where would they fly into?
Marc:Do they drive out?
Marc:Where do you fly into to go to Rio?
Marc:Albuquerque?
Guest:Albuquerque or, let me think.
Guest:I guess Lubbock.
Guest:You go to Lubbock, too.
Guest:Lubbock could work.
Marc:Oh, this is a good sell.
Marc:All right, so look, you can either fly into Albuquerque or Lubbock, Texas, and then you rent a car and you drive out.
Marc:How far of a drive is it from Albuquerque?
Guest:About two and a half, three hours.
Marc:Oh, not a problem.
Marc:So you come down to Marc Maron's Playhouse near Don Imus' place.
Marc:You drive three hours.
Marc:I'm sure we'll get a crowd.
Marc:We just got to put it in the Albuquerque paper and the Lubbock paper, and maybe we'll run a bus or something.
Marc:Dad, let's open a casino.
Marc:Does this guy know any Indians?
Guest:It's not far from the Miscalera Apache.
Marc:okay all right all right this is a this is a workable idea i'm glad you sent me these emails because yeah i was a little i was i woke up with a little that feeling like i don't know what i'm gonna do with my life and i took my vitamins i opened up my emails i'm like thank god my dad has an idea that's not manic
Guest:I believe in using all resources that are handed to you.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:You're handed 8,000 agents with all your talents and smarts and contacts and experience.
Guest:Theoretically, you could set up a trailer there and just test it out.
Guest:All you need is a freaking microphone and a tower, right?
Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Guest:You got a radio station, yeah.
Marc:Okay, all right.
Marc:Okay, I understand.
Marc:That's a little more practical than the Riodoso Playhouse, I think.
Guest:Yeah, but you might be able to get a great audience.
Guest:I mean, this, you know, the other guy that you don't like, you know, Bill Summers, who has this radio show on Saturday morning, 8 o'clock.
Marc:This is the guy that sells the memory revitalizer?
Marc:correct all right look as much as i may not like him i went to his office and bought six jars of of memory revitalizer i had to say to the guy at the office i go come on really just i mean what's in this and he he was he had to tell me that it's it's all good stuff yeah that was roy roy the rotund roy who will miss anybody who moves the way
Guest:And meanwhile, Bill Summers, you know, had a heart study on this new thing I'm doing, which, you know, you find interesting.
Guest:It'll be set up by the time you get to New Mexico or whatever that is.
Guest:But we're doing central arterial pressures.
Guest:And if your blood pressure is high, you know, even though your breakthrough pressure is okay, your central pressure is high, then you're on dosing of arginine and citrulline as well as D3.
Guest:And over three months, you come down to normal.
Guest:There's big studies going out there now.
Guest:It's going to hit the main line, and we're going to be in on it.
Guest:I'm going to be lecturing on that.
Marc:You're going to lecture on that?
Marc:Yep.
Marc:I can have you down at my theater in Rio Doso if you want to.
Marc:If you think you can pull in some people.
Marc:We'll put a billboard up and everything.
Marc:Dr. Marin, don't miss it.
Marc:This weekend only.
Marc:Lecture on arginine.
Marc:I think it's all coming together for us.
Marc:I think we've got a real future.
Marc:Call the guy who rides bulls but can't do it anymore.
Marc:Tell him to build the theater and then tell him about the vitamin radio comedy presentation.
Marc:This is going to be great.
Marc:We're actually going to be in business together.
Marc:I can't wait.
Guest:I think someplace in all this mishmash that we're talking about, I think theoretically it is obvious.
Guest:All it takes is somebody with a big pair of gonies to say, hey, come on in here with your deep pockets.
Guest:Let's set up a studio for three months and see what happens and just get me to contact with a...
Guest:with a radio station that I can be a mainstream radio coming out of Ruidoso, New Mexico.
Guest:Okay.
Marc:Yeah, I like the fact that I've, you know, several times now made it seem ridiculous in its conception, and you've laughed a lot at it, but we still come around to the idea that you're like, no, no, no, no, this is doable.
Marc:This is doable.
Marc:I appreciate the tenacity of your fantasy.
Guest:How did I just get started in the radio out there in the middle of nowhere?
Marc:Well, I'm working out of my garage here, but we're doing okay with the podcast, but I'll keep this in mind.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:I love you.
Marc:Bye.
Guest:Bye.
Marc:So that was my dad, Dr. Barry Marin from episode 48.
Marc:And again, the other clips you heard were from episodes 27 and 62, all available ad-free with your full Marin subscription.
Marc:All right?
Marc:Cool.