BONUS Extra Todd Barry

00:03:26Marc:But the strangest thing about it is, and I noticed this the last time you and I hung out, is that we hadn't hung out in a couple years, it felt like.

00:03:35Marc:And then we go to that Chinese place, and within, like, three seconds, you're like, ah, this is sad.

00:03:41Marc:Oh, yeah, right.

00:03:43Marc:As if it was we just saw each other the day before.

00:03:46Marc:Mm-hmm.

00:03:46Marc:Yeah.

00:03:47Marc:Well, that's good, though.

00:03:48Guest:It is good.

00:03:48Guest:That's a nice kind of, like, comfort.

00:03:51Marc:Yeah.

00:03:51Marc:I feel that camaraderie with people that I met twice in this business.

00:03:56Right.

00:03:56Guest:Yeah, I mean, there is a thing where, like, you could show up at, you know, a festival and see a friend, someone you know of, sitting and having coffee, and you could join them, and it's instantly kind of works.

00:04:07Marc:It's like a community, but I realized that the other night, like, it was a fun party, and I feel, you know, Conan was there, and God knows I've done enough Conans, and, you know, we're all old guys now.

00:04:17Marc:Yeah.

00:04:17Marc:And, but...

00:04:19Marc:But it just felt like, you know, I know all these people, but I feel like I know them well.

00:04:23Marc:And then I really, I don't know if I know them that well, but I know that they're of our community.

00:04:27Guest:Yeah, I mean, that is a thing where I've noticed where, like, there's people I've known for 25 years.

00:04:33Guest:And I'm like, I have no idea what you do between up till 8 o'clock at night.

00:04:37Marc:I know.

00:04:38Guest:I don't know anything about what you do.

00:04:40Marc:Occasionally, you hear someone has kids, so you assume that's happening.

00:04:43Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:04:44Marc:But a lot of times, I don't... The connection is so real.

00:04:49Marc:I don't know how these guys do... I saw Crow last night.

00:04:52Marc:I saw Sandler last night.

00:04:54Marc:But him and I... These guys are a different world than we are.

00:04:58Marc:I don't even know...

00:04:59Marc:Sitting around talking to all those guys who have major money-making careers in show business, and I just realized, I don't know if I could have ever handled that if it was even given to me.

00:05:13Guest:Yeah, I mean, I kind of— I mean, it's not that we don't do all right.

00:05:16Guest:Yeah, we do fine.

00:05:17Guest:We get the occasional recognition.

00:05:19Guest:But I wouldn't want to be—I don't know if I'd want, like, I'm obligated to do 50 selfies walking from 3rd Street to 5th Street.

00:05:29Guest:What about just doing, you know, like carrying a movie?

00:05:32Guest:Yeah, well, there's that also.

00:05:33Guest:You know, and like— It's the selfies that really bother me.

00:05:37Marc:Mm-hmm.

00:05:37Marc:Yeah, that's the big job.

00:05:39Marc:I'm trying to get to the coffee shop.

00:05:41Marc:But I saw Hayter, and that guy is so phenomenally talented in so many ways, and he's such a nice guy, an accessible guy.

00:05:48Guest:Yeah, he's a super nice guy, yeah.

00:05:49Marc:But that Barry show, it's like, where did that even come from?

00:05:52Guest:Yeah.

00:05:53Marc:I don't even know how you create something like that.

00:05:56Guest:It's cool that it exists, though.

00:05:58Guest:Right?

00:05:58Guest:Yeah.

00:05:58Guest:I mean, I've only watched it a couple of times, but I was like, oh, this is the kind of thing.

00:06:01Guest:Like, ooh, just hear the premise.

00:06:03Guest:And you go, oh, yeah.

00:06:03Guest:Did you watch Ali Wong's thing, that beef?

00:06:06Guest:I watched four episodes, yeah.

00:06:07Guest:That's good?

00:06:07Guest:Yeah, it is good.

00:06:08Marc:I watched Sandler's Bat Mitzvah movie.

00:06:11Guest:I just heard about that.

00:06:12Guest:Yeah.

00:06:13Guest:It's supposed to be really good, right?

00:06:14Marc:Well, it's a Jewish teen film.

00:06:16Marc:Oh, okay.

00:06:17Marc:There's not enough of those, I don't think.

00:06:18Marc:No, definitely not.

00:06:19Marc:Specifically Jewish teen family movie.

00:06:23Marc:Yeah.

00:06:23Marc:I'm very happy about it because, like...

00:06:26Marc:for me like anytime that somebody puts that much jew in the faces of jew haters right it always makes me happy oh yeah it's like uh because like you know that there are some people watching it that don't even know what jews do and it's very jewy i'm not sure it makes us look great but there is sort of in the sense that like there is that world of middle class jews where you know they themed bar mitzvahs

00:06:50Marc:Where, you know, a lot of effort and money goes into making these bar mitzvahs and big deals.

00:06:56Marc:And he just covers it, you know.

00:06:58Marc:But I grew up in, like, middle-class Jew land.

00:07:00Guest:Yeah, I mean, my bar mitzvah was a six-week before I— I didn't have to get a bar mitzvah.

00:07:06Guest:My brother didn't get a bar mitzvah.

00:07:08Guest:No?

00:07:08Guest:No, there was no pressure at all.

00:07:09Guest:And at some point I was like, am I going to regret not getting a bar mitzvah?

00:07:13Guest:And I was like, yeah, of course I am.

00:07:16Guest:So I did the quickie course—

00:07:17Guest:It was all fanatic.

00:07:19Guest:Yeah.

00:07:19Guest:I mean, there was like no one, there was no money to be made.

00:07:22Guest:I think I made like $150 all in.

00:07:23Guest:Yeah.

00:07:23Guest:So, but you used to hear about people's bar mitzvahs and it would be reported to you as what the gross was.

00:07:32Guest:Is that true?

00:07:33Guest:Yeah.

00:07:33Guest:I've heard me like, I'm a 25,000.

00:07:34Guest:Okay.

00:07:34Guest:That's good.

00:07:36Guest:Wow.

00:07:36Guest:Sounds like a deeply spiritual experience you had there.

00:07:38Marc:I remember.

00:07:39Marc:Yeah.

00:07:40Marc:That, well, uh, what was it?

00:07:41Marc:Mark Cohen had a joke, you know, I made my money and got out or whatever.

00:07:45Marc:Oh yeah.

00:07:46Marc:Right.

00:07:46Guest:But I remember, like, down in Florida, someone had hired, like, Snoop Dogg.

00:07:51Guest:Come on.

00:07:52Guest:Yeah, he had, like, his bar mitzvah at the Orange Bowl, which was, like, I mean, it's... He must have been a pretty popular kid.

00:07:59Guest:Yeah.

00:08:00Guest:Or did he rely on Snoop to draw the crowd?

00:08:01Guest:This wasn't, like, a friend.

00:08:02Guest:This was just something I heard about.

00:08:04Guest:But just, like, you know, okay, if you want to...

00:08:06Guest:That's crazy, man.

00:08:07Guest:That's the one kid you want to raise.

00:08:08Marc:I remember my bar mitzvah.

00:08:10Marc:Well, it's all phonetics.

00:08:12Marc:What, did you expect to learn Hebrew and understand the scripture?

00:08:15Guest:Yeah, I mean, it was just ridiculous to do it, and I don't even know what I'm saying.

00:08:19Marc:Yeah.

00:08:20Marc:I think I was told what I was saying.

00:08:22Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:08:22Marc:Yeah, and I think I wrote about it in Jerusalem Syndrome after the fact, because I was like, maybe I'm 40.

00:08:29Marc:I'd like to know what my Haftorah was about, because maybe it had bigger implications.

00:08:33Marc:Yeah.

00:08:33Guest:Yeah, I went through a brief phase early on in the pandemic where I was like, I'm going to take an online course about Judaism from Harvard.

00:08:41Guest:And like, I'm going to learn, because I don't know any, because people say, hey, happy whatever holiday.

00:08:45Guest:Oh, is it?

00:08:46Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:08:46Guest:Tu Bishvat.

00:08:48Guest:Happy Purim.

00:08:49Guest:Is that the one you fast on?

00:08:50Guest:I forgot.

00:08:51Guest:Yeah.

00:08:51Guest:Oh, no.

00:08:52Guest:You really were brought up with none of it?

00:08:54Guest:I mean, my mom was sort of culturally into it, but my dad was pretty a-religious.

00:08:58Guest:Yeah?

00:08:58Guest:He wasn't like an atheist.

00:09:00Guest:Right.

00:09:00Guest:Like a knowing atheist.

00:09:01Guest:He was just kind of- Just didn't deal with it.

00:09:02Guest:He was kind of- Yeah, he just wasn't into it.

00:09:04Marc:So what'd you learn in the course?

00:09:07Guest:Oh, I didn't take it.

00:09:08Guest:That was my point on that one.

00:09:11Guest:I had the idea.

00:09:12Guest:I was like, I'm going to learn something.

00:09:14Guest:It would be cool if I knew about my own religion.

00:09:17Marc:It's hard to do that stuff.

00:09:19Marc:There's some part of me that thinks maybe I can tackle algebra.

00:09:24Marc:Why would I be any different than when I was in high school?

00:09:27Marc:I think it's harder.

00:09:28Marc:Yeah, but I was terrible at it in high school.

00:09:30Marc:Couldn't wrap my brain around it.

00:09:31Marc:It's not going to happen now.

00:09:33Marc:What's the point of it?

00:09:34Marc:I can't even do the fucking things my therapist tells me to do.

00:09:37Marc:I started therapy again.

00:09:38Marc:I've gone twice.

00:09:40Marc:And these are very simple things.

00:09:42Marc:And she's like, well, you have to do this meditation.

00:09:47Marc:She's kind of Buddhist-y.

00:09:48Marc:Like it's a self-forgiveness meditation because I beat the shit out of myself all the time.

00:09:53Marc:And it literally would take me two minutes to do it.

00:09:58Marc:And it's just like, I'm not going to do that.

00:10:01Guest:And I don't do it.

00:10:03Guest:Do you do therapy?

00:10:04Guest:I do therapy, yeah.

00:10:05Guest:Like every week?

00:10:06Guest:I don't do it.

00:10:07Guest:I'm doing it after this, actually.

00:10:10Guest:On Zoom?

00:10:10Guest:Yeah.

00:10:11Guest:Well, my therapist moved to California, so we'll be on the same time.

00:10:14Guest:But he won't let you over the house?

00:10:17Guest:I don't know where she lives.

00:10:18Guest:She might live in Santa Barbara.

00:10:19Guest:That's a schlep.

00:10:20Guest:How'd you find that one?

00:10:22Guest:Through another therapist who was crazy expensive.

00:10:24Guest:And I just.

00:10:25Guest:Yeah.

00:10:26Guest:I don't know how I got referred to him.

00:10:27Guest:He was like a guy.

00:10:28Guest:It was at the last time I saw him was like $600.

00:10:31Guest:What?

00:10:32Guest:And I was like, do you have anyone?

00:10:33Guest:Do you know anyone else?

00:10:35Guest:Isn't there a tiered?

00:10:36Guest:Yeah.

00:10:38Guest:Can I get the BT?

00:10:38Guest:But she's great.

00:10:39Guest:And she's not cheap.

00:10:40Guest:Yeah.

00:10:41Guest:But, you know, I lost my SAG insurance.

00:10:43Guest:So it's kind of like a.

00:10:44Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:10:45Guest:Are you on Cobra?

00:10:47Guest:I lost my Cobra, too.

00:10:48Guest:Cobra's expensive, dude.

00:10:49Guest:Yeah, it was like $900 a month.

00:10:50Guest:Yeah, for what?

00:10:52Marc:I know.

00:10:53Marc:But did you get a new insurance?

00:10:55Guest:I got shitty, yeah, Obamacare insurance.

00:10:58Marc:But did you price other insurances?

00:11:02Guest:This is two 59-year-olds having to chat.

00:11:05Marc:My friend David Kleinfeld, he puts a 10-minute limit on any health talk.

00:11:10Guest:Oh, that's funny.

00:11:11Guest:Yeah.

00:11:11Guest:That's a really funny idea.

00:11:12Guest:Just pull out an app.

00:11:13Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:14Guest:Time it.

00:11:15Guest:When you hear a bing, bing, bing, we're done talking about health.

00:11:17Guest:Yeah.

00:11:17Guest:But, yeah, I know.

00:11:19Guest:Yeah, I mean, I pay now 400 and something, but it's like one of those things where, like, I called all my old doctors, do you take this?

00:11:25Guest:No, I don't take that.

00:11:26Marc:I don't even know what that is.

00:11:27Guest:But I also kind of broke up with my primary care doctor because she became a, she was a good doctor, but she became a concierge doctor.

00:11:36Guest:Yeah, that's what's happening.

00:11:37Guest:And I just was like, I don't want to spend $2,300 and have her not take my insurance.

00:11:42Guest:Right.

00:11:42Guest:It's just like a cover charge.

00:11:44Marc:Well, the concierging is, well, can't you get into the group for a year for like five grand or whatever?

00:11:51Guest:It was like, well, I mean, I guess it was cheaper than that.

00:11:53Guest:It was $2,300.

00:11:54Guest:I just didn't.

00:11:55Guest:I don't know.

00:11:55Marc:But then you're kind of, you can go, right?

00:11:57Marc:For $2,300?

00:11:58Guest:No, no, but no, it doesn't.

00:12:00Guest:You still have to pay for all the appointments.

00:12:01Guest:That's just like.

00:12:03Guest:Oh, that's instead of insurance.

00:12:05Guest:You shall see you.

00:12:06Guest:Yeah, it's just for so she can make more money and see you for a longer time.

00:12:10Guest:How is your health, Todd?

00:12:12Guest:Oh, wow.

00:12:12Guest:It's pretty good.

00:12:13Guest:I got a few things going on, but nothing major.

00:12:16Marc:Yeah?

00:12:17Marc:Yeah.

00:12:17Marc:I went vegan.

00:12:18Marc:You did?

00:12:19Marc:Six months.

00:12:20Marc:Wow.

00:12:20Marc:See if I get my cholesterol down.

00:12:21Marc:I kind of did.

00:12:22Marc:I'm going to see if it stayed down in a week or so and go back to the doc.

00:12:25Marc:Do you take a statin?

00:12:27Marc:I was taking one, but then I stopped after I went vegan and went to the doc.

00:12:32Marc:He said I didn't take it anymore.

00:12:34Marc:So it helped?

00:12:35Marc:Yeah.

00:12:36Marc:Okay.

00:12:36Marc:It did.

00:12:37Marc:It's kind of, I don't know, some days you feel kind of doughy, but it's all right.

00:12:42Marc:Are you pretty strict about it?

00:12:43Guest:Yeah, I have been.

00:12:44Guest:Like every restaurant you go to, you don't do like a little cheat?

00:12:47Guest:No.

00:12:48Marc:It's weird.

00:12:48Marc:Well, that's part of the beauty of having any kind of eating disorder is the control thing.

00:12:54Marc:Yeah.

00:12:54Marc:Yeah, and be that guy.

00:12:56Marc:So when did the, like I know you have, do you just have one cat?

00:13:02Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:13:02Guest:I just have one cat.

00:13:04Marc:Same cat.

00:13:05Guest:Yeah, I've had her for five years.

00:13:06Guest:Her name is Michaelene.

00:13:07Guest:Yeah.

00:13:07Marc:I remember when you got the cat.

00:13:09Marc:It was a big step.

00:13:11Guest:Yeah.

00:13:13Guest:We've gone through a lot of phases.

00:13:14Guest:We've gone through... The first phase was...

00:13:17Guest:Oh, my God, I'm never going to see my cat because she would hide so much.

00:13:21Guest:Like, I got this cat.

00:13:22Guest:I'm never going to see her.

00:13:23Guest:They're not like dogs.

00:13:25Guest:They don't immediately take to loving you.

00:13:29Guest:Right.

00:13:29Guest:And then I went to the phase of, oh, my God, I wish she would hide more.

00:13:34Guest:Because I literally, I mean, I do a bit about this on my special night, but I had a studio apartment in this building on the Lower East Side for a while.

00:13:41Guest:And she would just attack me so much.

00:13:43Guest:Yeah.

00:13:43Guest:We're in a rage.

00:13:45Guest:Three times I checked into a hotel.

00:13:48Guest:Like I'm using hotel tonight to find a place 12 feet from where I live.

00:13:55Guest:And I was just, it's just, I was just like so, so angry.

00:14:00Guest:She was?

00:14:01Guest:No, she would just come under the covers and, you know, there's something about being...

00:14:04Guest:poked with the claws.

00:14:06Guest:Yeah.

00:14:06Guest:It's part of the cat experience.

00:14:07Guest:And in retrospect, I probably could have waited it out a little bit, maybe.

00:14:11Guest:She's just being a kitten.

00:14:12Guest:But I mean, that's a pretty huge leap.

00:14:15Guest:Yeah, I'm going to a hotel.

00:14:17Guest:To avoid my cat.

00:14:18Guest:Yeah.

00:14:18Guest:My cat lives in my apartment.

00:14:19Marc:I can't live there right now.

00:14:20Guest:So I did that.

00:14:21Guest:And then she sort of settled down a little bit.

00:14:23Guest:Now she sleeps with me and she sits in my lap forever.

00:14:27Marc:It's great.

00:14:28Marc:Yeah.

00:14:29Marc:My...

00:14:29Marc:All mine are tweaky, and they always are, but the kitten thing is a little difficult because you kind of invest all these emotions into these cats, right?

00:14:39Marc:So Charlie, who's crazy,

00:14:43Marc:He does everything a shitty kitten can do.

00:14:46Marc:Everything.

00:14:46Marc:Knocks shit over.

00:14:48Marc:Breaks shit.

00:14:49Marc:He's bitey.

00:14:51Marc:Now, and you think, it's been a year, but there was a period where he'd sleep with me and be okay, and then he's only affectionate at 4.30 in the morning, that cat.

00:15:02Marc:Uh-huh.

00:15:03Marc:It's the only time he's sort of like purrs and he's rubbing his face against my face.

00:15:07Guest:That's good.

00:15:08Guest:It's better than being a maniac at 430 in the morning.

00:15:10Marc:That's right.

00:15:11Marc:But then it goes away.

00:15:12Marc:Then the rest of the day, it's like, you know, kind of fuck you.

00:15:15Marc:But he's fun.

00:15:17Marc:But then, like, I just started to lock him out of the room because I needed to sleep.

00:15:21Marc:You know, I didn't want to wake up all night with him with the scrunchie ball.

00:15:25Marc:wanting to do something.

00:15:26Marc:Right.

00:15:26Marc:But then you lock him out and then he's like crying and I'm like, oh, fuck.

00:15:29Guest:Yeah, when my cat cries, it cuts right through me.

00:15:32Guest:Right.

00:15:32Guest:It makes me angrier than it does sad, actually.

00:15:35Guest:Yeah, I'm angry at yourself, you mean?

00:15:37Guest:No, she just, I can't get mad at her because she's just a cat, but it's just something about the frequency of the sound.

00:15:42Guest:It just, I think I react as a spectrum-y guy, possibly, if I have that.

00:15:48Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:15:49Marc:Yeah.

00:15:51Marc:But now this fucking cat at a year old where I'm hoping he just transitions into something more manageable, he now comes into the room and he climbs up the curtains to the top of the curtain and then leaps on the bed like it's a fucking diving board.

00:16:07Marc:And this is just a new thing that I have to deal with.

00:16:11Marc:But, you know, I don't know.

00:16:13Marc:I've been doing a joke on stage, you know, about how...

00:16:16Marc:Like Sam.

00:16:17Marc:You met Sam.

00:16:18Marc:And just how you get a kitten.

00:16:19Marc:And they're always great kittens.

00:16:21Marc:You don't know how they're going to turn out.

00:16:22Marc:Like I said, I had this kitten a couple of years ago.

00:16:24Marc:Now he's just a fat, dumb cat that doesn't like to be touched.

00:16:28Marc:Doesn't really like me.

00:16:29Marc:I have to feed him special food because he's fucked up.

00:16:31Marc:And I guess I'm in for like 17 years of that.

00:16:34Marc:you are about great great kitten though yeah i i don't know i get so much invested so much like i yesterday i spent like you know two hours just wondering you know what's going to happen to them if i die you know what what do i what if i want to move like i almost didn't move out of my old house because uh boomer lived outside and i'm like what's going to happen with that guy yeah event he disappeared so that all worked out oh man

00:17:00Guest:Yeah, I mean, there's things I wish I had done earlier on when she was a kitten.

00:17:05Guest:Like what?

00:17:05Guest:Touched her paws more, because now I can't even cut her nails.

00:17:09Marc:Yeah, but that's like, you know, you see these cats online where you're sort of like, what is that cat?

00:17:14Guest:Yeah, I mean, I do a bit about that also.

00:17:16Guest:Oh, you do?

00:17:17Guest:Where they're just like, here's how you cut your cat's nails.

00:17:19Guest:Like, yeah, it's your cat.

00:17:21Guest:Yeah.

00:17:22Guest:Because, I mean, I've seen, I remember I did a show at the UCB, like they're

00:17:27Guest:theater district theater when they had that.

00:17:32Guest:And I walked down the stage and there was a dude with a cat in the crowd on his lap.

00:17:36Guest:Yeah.

00:17:37Guest:Okay.

00:17:37Guest:How do you make them do that?

00:17:38Guest:Just like you just walk around with your... You know, you go on a plane and someone's just got their cat.

00:17:43Marc:I brought cats on planes, dude.

00:17:45Marc:I don't even know how I fucking dealt with it.

00:17:48Marc:My old cat's monkey.

00:17:50Marc:Uh, as soon as he went in the cage, he'd shit.

00:17:53Marc:So now I'm like on a plane.

00:17:54Marc:Right.

00:17:55Marc:In the bathroom with a cat that's freaked out and there's shit everywhere.

00:17:58Guest:Yeah.

00:17:58Guest:Like, what are you supposed to do?

00:17:59Guest:Like constantly apologize to everyone around you?

00:18:02Marc:If you have that kind of animal, I guess so.

00:18:04Marc:I managed it pretty well, but like, I don't have, it's like, it's like relationships too.

00:18:09Marc:I just do not have the bandwidth for drama anymore.

00:18:12Marc:I can't fucking, I don't know how I did half of my life as freaked out as I was.

00:18:17Marc:Right.

00:18:17Marc:You?

00:18:18Yeah.

00:18:18Marc:Me what?

00:18:19Marc:Do you ever think that?

00:18:21Marc:You kind of keep an even keel, though.

00:18:23Marc:I mean, I... You've spun out plenty.

00:18:25Guest:Yeah, I spin out in my own way.

00:18:27Guest:Yeah.

00:18:28Guest:I mean, I don't... Yeah.

00:18:29Guest:I don't... I quietly spin out.

00:18:32Guest:I'm a quiet storm.

00:18:35Marc:But then it's so funny because when you are spinning out and you talk to you, you're like, it's clearly this insular, this insulated thing.

00:18:42Marc:And he wouldn't read it on you right away, but you're sort of like, wow, you got a lot going on up there.

00:18:46Guest:Yeah, there's a rumination thing.

00:18:48Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:49Marc:Do you have like OCD or something?

00:18:50Guest:I think I have OCD.

00:18:52Guest:I think I have ADHD.

00:18:53Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:18:55Guest:I think I have.

00:18:56Guest:But never diagnosed.

00:18:58Guest:I went to a doctor who kind of was, I think, a little doctor feel-goody.

00:19:01Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:19:02Guest:And he's kind of like, kind of explained ADHD to me.

00:19:05Guest:And I kind of said, I'm kind of like, I'm not focused.

00:19:08Guest:All right, get the pad out.

00:19:09Guest:And they're like, oh, I see what you do.

00:19:11Guest:Yeah.

00:19:12Guest:Well, he was ready to just prescribe me something.

00:19:16Guest:I just didn't have a good feeling about it.

00:19:18Guest:So I didn't fill the prescription and-

00:19:20Marc:I'm surprised at how many therapists are really just some version of that joke.

00:19:23Marc:You know, the guy walks into a doctor and he raises his arms up and he says, hey, doc, it hurts when I do this.

00:19:28Marc:And the doc says, well, don't do that.

00:19:30Marc:Yeah, exactly.

00:19:31Marc:It's pretty practical.

00:19:33Marc:I mean, that's sort of what you got to do.

00:19:35Guest:Yeah.

00:19:35Marc:Try to change your fucking habits.

00:19:37Marc:Have you ever had a doctor that you just love?

00:19:40Marc:Oh, well, I grew up with doctors.

00:19:42Marc:Oh, yeah, that's right.

00:19:44Marc:But, uh...

00:19:45Marc:I had a doctor that I liked seeing, but, you know, he was just old and he would just sign off on anything.

00:19:50Marc:I had a woman named Dr. Watson over at the Bob Hope Clinic, and I liked her.

00:19:55Marc:She was very matter-of-fact, practical, you know, kind of tough, you know, but just didn't, you know, doll anything up.

00:20:04Guest:Yeah, I like the bedside manner.

00:20:07Guest:And if I have a doctor who's cold, it just kind of— It's most of them now.

00:20:10Guest:They might be a great doctor, though.

00:20:12Guest:Yeah.

00:20:12Guest:But, yeah, just like I don't want to be afraid to ask questions.

00:20:15Marc:Or, yeah, or they just want to get you out, and they're just sort of like – I'm doing a whole bit about this.

00:20:19Marc:You realize at some point that it's just a job.

00:20:22Marc:A lot of them don't make the money they used to, so they don't love their job.

00:20:26Marc:They're limited in how they can treat people because of health plans, and they're over it.

00:20:30Guest:And that's why they become concierge doctors.

00:20:32Guest:Exactly.

00:20:33Guest:And they guarantee $2,000 from every – But all you want them to do is at least pretend like they care.

00:20:39Guest:Right.

00:20:40Guest:Yeah, I mean, I've had, like, my prior doctor, who is now a concierge doctor, she was good, but there were all just sloppy things where he just, like, I remember once calling up for my test results in a reception, like, yeah, everything's good.

00:20:52Guest:So then I wrote to the doctor, I said, is everything good?

00:20:54Guest:Well, you're deficient in these two vitamins.

00:20:57Guest:Okay.

00:20:58Guest:Yeah.

00:20:58Guest:Then you have to write back, what do I do?

00:21:00Guest:Oh, now I'm writing you a prescription.

00:21:02Guest:Oh, I'm glad I asked you what I should do.

00:21:04Guest:Why am I even coming to you to get that information out of you?

00:21:09Marc:Dude, my buddy had a cancer scare.

00:21:11Marc:Oh, really?

00:21:11Marc:And he had tests that indicated that he might have this cancer.

00:21:15Marc:And I was like...

00:21:17Marc:So did you hear from the doctor?

00:21:18Marc:He said, I haven't, so I'm assuming it's good news.

00:21:22Marc:I'm like, how do you sit with that?

00:21:24Marc:Right, yeah.

00:21:25Marc:Right?

00:21:25Marc:Right.

00:21:26Marc:I mean, even if it's good news, how about spreading the good news?

00:21:29Marc:Yeah, how about a little phone call?

00:21:32Marc:Hey, Fred, good news.

00:21:33Marc:Yeah, you don't have cancer.

00:21:35Marc:I would be going crazy.

00:21:37Marc:I would be going crazy.

00:21:38Marc:I'd be like, I would want to make that phone call.

00:21:40Marc:Yeah.

00:21:40Marc:So what's going on with the love life?

00:21:43Marc:You all right?

00:21:43Guest:Yeah, I've had a girlfriend for like nearly two years.

00:21:46Marc:Oh, really?

00:21:46Marc:Yeah.

00:21:47Marc:The Texas?

00:21:48Marc:Yeah, the Texas.

00:21:51Guest:That's her wrestling name.

00:21:53Guest:Texas.

00:21:54Guest:That's going good?

00:21:55Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:21:56Guest:That's nice.

00:21:56Guest:Yeah, we're going to go to Madrid in a few days.

00:21:59Guest:Really?

00:21:59Guest:Yeah.

00:21:59Guest:To Spain?

00:22:00Marc:Yeah.

00:22:02Marc:I'm sorry, there's a ghost town in New Mexico called Madrid.

00:22:04Guest:Oh, really?

00:22:05Marc:I'm assuming you weren't going to go there because it's not really a big trip.

00:22:08Guest:No.

00:22:08Guest:I did a show in Santa Fe, though, recently.

00:22:10Guest:Where at the... The Jean Cocteau Theater.

00:22:13Marc:How big is that?

00:22:16Marc:Not big.

00:22:17Marc:Maybe 200.

00:22:18Marc:It's a hard place to draw it.

00:22:19Marc:I mean, I come from there, and I never play there.

00:22:21Marc:And nobody ever goes to Albuquerque to do stand-up.

00:22:25Marc:You got to be a pretty big fucking act.

00:22:27Marc:Because all they got is a convention center and a couple of theaters.

00:22:29Marc:But, like, it's not... Like, I asked my booking guy, and he's just like, it's just a hard market.

00:22:34Marc:Yeah.

00:22:35Marc:But I'm going to go.

00:22:35Marc:Did you sell it out?

00:22:37Guest:No, but I... It was a good show.

00:22:40Guest:Yeah, and I got...

00:22:41Marc:I'm going to go do one.

00:22:43Marc:It's sort of a benefit, kind of.

00:22:44Marc:It's being produced by this drug rehab sort of thing.

00:22:47Guest:Oh, I did that once in Albuquerque?

00:22:49Guest:Yeah.

00:22:49Guest:A guy named Jeff?

00:22:50Guest:Yeah.

00:22:51Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:22:52Guest:How'd that go?

00:22:54Guest:It was a good show.

00:22:55Marc:Yeah?

00:22:55Marc:Did you do it at the Spanish Cultural Center or something?

00:22:57Guest:No, I did it at a theater with a K in it.

00:23:00Guest:Chemo?

00:23:00Guest:Chemo, I think.

00:23:01Marc:You did the chemo?

00:23:01Guest:Yeah.

00:23:02Guest:That's where I'm going to go.

00:23:03Guest:Okay.

00:23:03Guest:It was just you?

00:23:05Guest:It was me, yeah, yeah.

00:23:06Guest:I don't know.

00:23:08Marc:Yeah.

00:23:08Marc:Endorphin power or something?

00:23:09Guest:Yeah, that's it, yeah.

00:23:11Mm-hmm.

00:23:12Marc:Yeah, he has interesting guys.

00:23:13Marc:It's like you and me and Norton.

00:23:15Marc:Yeah.

00:23:16Marc:Yeah, I don't know.

00:23:17Marc:But, you know, I've always wanted to play the chemo.

00:23:20Marc:You know, maybe it'll be already.

00:23:21Guest:Yeah, it was nice.

00:23:22Marc:Yeah, it's kind of a cool theater.

00:23:24Marc:It's my hometown.

00:23:25Marc:I go back a lot because my dad was in his mind.

00:23:27Marc:Oh, really?

00:23:27Guest:Yeah.

00:23:28Marc:I'm sorry.

00:23:28Marc:It's all right.

00:23:29Marc:But it's weird because for a while there it was like, I'm going to get a place in New Mexico.

00:23:34Marc:And now the more I go because I have to go, I'm like, the fuck am I going to do here?

00:23:37Marc:Just call people I went to high school with?

00:23:40Marc:Yeah, I mean, that's the weird thing about the road.

00:23:42Guest:I could be like, I love going on the road.

00:23:44Guest:Then I get on the road and you're like, I got seven hours to kill today.

00:23:48Guest:And it's hot out.

00:23:51Marc:I've gotten better at it.

00:23:52Marc:Because I really like...

00:23:54Marc:The things that used to drive me crazy, I now like.

00:23:57Marc:I like being in a hotel where if it's nice, it's clean, I don't have to worry about anything.

00:24:02Guest:Yeah, I live in a good hotel, but I also always want to leave the hotel.

00:24:06Marc:Yeah, get out in the world and wander around like a needy weirdo, hoping someone will recognize you when you go to one of two coffee shops in town.

00:24:14Guest:Are we good for this coffee here?

00:24:16Marc:oh no charge oh okay yeah you're Todd Perry yeah I mean I like I still do that and I like getting good food in places yeah what's going on in New York how is it um like you were there the whole COVID thing I was scary yeah yeah I mean it's I think we've bounced back no when I went I was it was exciting yeah like I was down the lower east side and I was like holy shit it's happening yeah a lot of young people

00:24:42Guest:Yeah.

00:24:43Guest:Yeah.

00:24:44Guest:It's yeah.

00:24:46Guest:I mean, it doesn't seem much different than it was.

00:24:48Guest:Yeah.

00:24:49Guest:I mean, it was definitely weird when COVID.

00:24:51Guest:Sure.

00:24:51Guest:When they checked your vax cards and stuff.

00:24:54Marc:Well, I noticed a lot of people are pulling their their parking lot seating out that like some of that's disappearing.

00:24:59Yeah.

00:24:59Marc:The parking space seating, you know, the weird kind of like... Oh, outdoor sheds kind of thing?

00:25:05Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:25:06Guest:Well, those were always like this weird death trap.

00:25:10Guest:This outdoor dining, this completely enclosed terrarium.

00:25:14Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:15Guest:Yeah.

00:25:16Guest:How's the cellar?

00:25:17Guest:Cellar's fine, you know.

00:25:19Guest:Are they using you?

00:25:22Guest:Not as much as I would like to be used.

00:25:25Marc:But now they have like nine rooms over there.

00:25:26Guest:They have nine rooms, so there's not a lot of room.

00:25:28Guest:When you're doing 85 shows, you don't really have room for one of the best comics in the city.

00:25:34Guest:They give me a little, but not as much as they give other people.

00:25:37Marc:I heard they bought that at McDonald's.

00:25:39Guest:They did.

00:25:39Guest:I don't know when that's going to happen.

00:25:43Guest:That's crazy, dude.

00:25:44Guest:The expansion of that thing.

00:25:46Marc:It's just crazy.

00:25:47Guest:Yeah.

00:25:47Marc:I mean, that'll be, I guess, their fifth room.

00:25:49Marc:Where are you working in the city?

00:25:51Guest:I work the cellar and I work the New York Comedy Club has a couple of rooms.

00:25:58Guest:Really?

00:25:58Guest:And I've been bouncing around doing bar shows.

00:26:00Guest:Really?

00:26:01Guest:There's like one in Williamsburg.

00:26:05Guest:Yeah.

00:26:06Guest:Called Comics You Should Know.

00:26:07Guest:Yeah.

00:26:08Guest:Good.

00:26:08Guest:Yeah.

00:26:09Guest:It's like in the back of a bowling alley.

00:26:11Guest:Really?

00:26:11Guest:Which sounds, you know, I don't know about that, but it's like a nice separate room.

00:26:15Guest:Yeah.

00:26:16Guest:And the crowds are like super smart.

00:26:17Marc:Yeah.

00:26:18Marc:Like that kind of a Brooklyn vibe.

00:26:20Marc:Yeah.

00:26:21Marc:Yeah.

00:26:22Marc:Yeah.

00:26:22Marc:I don't know.

00:26:23Marc:Is the original New York Comedy Club still there?

00:26:26Marc:Yeah.

00:26:26Marc:And then there's the one in the East Village.

00:26:29Marc:That's the old Eastville?

00:26:30Guest:Yeah.

00:26:31Marc:That's a New York Comedy Club?

00:26:32Guest:Yeah.

00:26:32Marc:Is Al Martin around?

00:26:33Yeah.

00:26:33Guest:I haven't seen Al Martin in decades.

00:26:35Marc:Isn't that weird?

00:26:36Marc:Yeah.

00:26:36Guest:He's still around, though, probably.

00:26:37Guest:But he has nothing to do with the New York comedy clubs now.

00:26:39Guest:He sold them.

00:26:40Guest:Oh, he did?

00:26:41Guest:Yeah, a guy named Emilio owns them.

00:26:43Guest:Really?

00:26:43Guest:Yeah.

00:26:44Guest:So Martin's out.

00:26:45Guest:Martin's out of those two, yeah, and he has, like, some other clubs.

00:26:47Marc:I wonder if he has that weird one in Boca still.

00:26:50Guest:Oh, God, man.

00:26:52Guest:I think I got an offer to do something in Bogan.

00:26:54Marc:Yeah.

00:26:55Marc:Not really inclined.

00:26:57Marc:Yeah, I can't.

00:26:57Marc:Like, I don't know what to do in Florida.

00:26:59Marc:I go see my mom occasionally.

00:27:00Marc:I did a tour of Florida that was really good lately, though.

00:27:03Marc:I did what I do.

00:27:04Marc:I did Tampa, which is all right.

00:27:06Marc:Yeah.

00:27:07Marc:And I did Tallahassee.

00:27:09Marc:Uh-huh.

00:27:10Marc:That's the capital, right?

00:27:10Marc:Right, yeah.

00:27:11Marc:I did that on some sort of at the college right after Trump was elected, and it was a little gnarly, but it was okay.

00:27:17Marc:It was part of a series at the college.

00:27:19Yeah.

00:27:19Guest:Yeah.

00:27:20Guest:Yeah.

00:27:21Guest:I did FSU once also.

00:27:24Marc:But I find that in Miami and shit, it's not an easy draw.

00:27:28Guest:No, I kind of stay away from South Florida just because... They don't want comedy.

00:27:32Guest:Well, I don't want people from high school showing up.

00:27:35Guest:I get overly bothered by that.

00:27:38Guest:I mean, they're nice people, but I just like... Do you keep in touch with them?

00:27:41Guest:There's like one person I know from high school who I occasionally say I do.

00:27:45Marc:What happened to your old bandmates?

00:27:47Marc:Well, he's one of them.

00:27:48Marc:They're in...

00:27:49Marc:Atlanta.

00:27:50Marc:They still play music?

00:27:52Guest:I guess, yeah.

00:27:53Marc:I don't know how.

00:27:54Marc:Yeah?

00:27:54Marc:I don't know what they're, I mean, yeah.

00:27:56Marc:I remember I had the Todd Berry CD.

00:27:59Guest:Did you really?

00:27:59Marc:What was the name of that band?

00:28:01Marc:The Chant?

00:28:01Marc:Yeah.

00:28:03Marc:I hope I signed it for you.

00:28:04Marc:I think you might have.

00:28:05Marc:I have to go dig it up.

00:28:07Marc:You playing at all?

00:28:10Guest:No.

00:28:11No.

00:28:11Guest:I don't know why I thought about that for a while.

00:28:13Guest:Let me think.

00:28:14Guest:No, I don't.

00:28:15Guest:You would know if you were playing drums occasionally.

00:28:17Guest:The more I watch drummers, I'm like, God, I'm so not.

00:28:21Guest:I was never even in the ballpark of what's going on up there.

00:28:25Guest:Like I was nervous.

00:28:27Guest:I also didn't practice.

00:28:28Guest:And it's just one of those things like, well, these guys practice.

00:28:32Guest:That's why they're good.

00:28:33Marc:If you're an amateur musician, you know, and you spend any time on Instagram, you just don't want to do anything anymore.

00:28:39Guest:Yeah.

00:28:39Guest:I mean, there's like this, there's this guy who's got a drumming account where it's kind of funny.

00:28:44Guest:He just goes, different drummers playing different styles to the same song.

00:28:48Guest:And they'll do like the marching snare guy.

00:28:50Guest:Yeah.

00:28:50Guest:And then they'll do the power pop.

00:28:51Guest:Yeah.

00:28:52Guest:The Travis Barker type.

00:28:53Guest:Yeah.

00:28:53Guest:And the guy likes cymbals too much.

00:28:56Guest:Yeah.

00:28:56Guest:But the guy's like nails the whole, you know, it's just amazingly skilled.

00:29:01Guest:Yeah.

00:29:02Marc:I still, you know, play guitar and try to get better at it.

00:29:05Marc:But you do realize that if you don't dedicate your life to it, you're at a pretty extreme deficit.

00:29:12Guest:Yeah.

00:29:12Marc:You know?

00:29:13Marc:Are you listening to any good music?

00:29:15Guest:You know, I've gotten so lazy about it.

00:29:18Guest:We get old, isn't it?

00:29:19Guest:You know, I just go on Spotify and they're like, this made-for-you playlist.

00:29:22Guest:All right.

00:29:23Guest:Yeah, try it out.

00:29:24Guest:Yeah, here we go.

00:29:25Guest:Velvet Underground, gotcha.

00:29:27Marc:Stuff you know.

00:29:28Marc:Yeah, it makes you end up hating bands that you used to love.

00:29:31Marc:Some guys, I don't know who they are.

00:29:32Marc:It was kind of funny.

00:29:33Marc:I was on Twitter and someone brought my attention to these guys who...

00:29:39Marc:Let me see if I can find it.

00:29:42Marc:Apparently, they have some sort of YouTube channel where there's just these two dudes, and they just listen to songs for the first time.

00:29:51Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:29:53Guest:I've seen that.

00:29:54Guest:You have?

00:29:54Guest:There's a few people who like reaction videos.

00:29:57Marc:Right.

00:29:58Marc:It's these, oh, it's called, I guess it's called Andy and Alex First Time Reaction.

00:30:04Guest:Uh-huh.

00:30:05Marc:And I guess I met this guy at the comedy store, and he said, what should we listen to?

00:30:08Marc:I don't know what to listen to.

00:30:10Marc:I said, we're in Velvet Underground.

00:30:11Marc:I gave him a couple songs, and they chose Pale Blue Eyes.

00:30:14Marc:And they set it up by saying, Mark Maron told us.

00:30:17Marc:And I just watched these two guys just sit in chairs and listen to the entire song.

00:30:21Marc:Yeah.

00:30:21Marc:I've watched a few of those.

00:30:22Marc:Yeah, and then go like, it's good.

00:30:24Guest:Yeah, they kind of start bobbing their head.

00:30:25Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:30:28Guest:Yeah, they don't usually rip it apart from the ones I've seen.

00:30:30Marc:Yeah, no.

00:30:31Marc:Remember, did you ever see those ones of that black kid who would listen to like Skinner for the first time?

00:30:36Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:37Marc:What happened to that guy?

00:30:38Marc:That was pretty exciting.

00:30:39Guest:God, there was this great clip.

00:30:40Guest:I don't think it's up there.

00:30:42Guest:I think for copyright it's taken.

00:30:43Guest:Yeah.

00:30:43Guest:You know that song?

00:30:44Guest:What's a Steve Miller song that has?

00:30:46Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:30:48Guest:The Joker.

00:30:49Guest:This guy put it after every verse.

00:30:52Guest:So I just sing a verse.

00:30:54Guest:And I just want to sing.

00:30:57Guest:I'm like crying laughing.

00:30:59Guest:Yeah.

00:31:00Guest:I interviewed Steve Miller.

00:31:01Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:31:01Marc:Yeah.

00:31:02Marc:Been around a long time.

00:31:04Marc:Doesn't he, like, not license his music, I heard?

00:31:06Marc:That sounds right.

00:31:07Marc:He's kind of like a kind of a techie dude.

00:31:10Marc:But, like, you know, when you really think about that catalog, it's nothing.

00:31:13Marc:It's big.

00:31:14Marc:Like, he has a lot of big fucking hits, dude.

00:31:16Marc:Yeah, he was, yeah.

00:31:18Marc:It's huge, man.

00:31:19Marc:Yeah.

00:31:19Marc:The Fly Like an Eagle record.

00:31:21Guest:Yeah, he was big.

00:31:22Marc:Yeah, I talk to musicians sometimes.

00:31:24Marc:Sometimes.

00:31:24Marc:I talked to Mark Rebo the other day.

00:31:26Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:31:26Marc:He used to live near me on Second Avenue.

00:31:29Marc:Yep.

00:31:30Marc:And he's such a wild, weird guitar player.

00:31:33Marc:You think you're talking to a wizard, but then you realize it's just a guy that wants to work.

00:31:38Guest:Right.

00:31:39Marc:You know what I mean?

00:31:40Marc:Have you talked to Westerberg or no?

00:31:42Marc:I don't think he does much.

00:31:44Marc:No.

00:31:44Marc:I mean, I would.

00:31:45Marc:Yeah.

00:31:46Marc:But I don't know what he's doing.

00:31:47Marc:I don't know where he is.

00:31:49Guest:Yeah, he seems like a really... He seems like a guy you would run into randomly at like Home Depot or something.

00:31:53Marc:Yeah, I don't know if he's a happy guy.

00:31:56Marc:I don't know what's going on with that.

00:31:57Marc:I talked to the... What's his name?

00:31:58Marc:The bass player.

00:31:59Marc:Oh, Tommy Stinson.

00:32:00Marc:Yeah, Tommy Stinson.

00:32:00Marc:Yeah, that was good.

00:32:01Marc:He was all right.

00:32:02Marc:But he's out in the world.

00:32:03Marc:He was touring with Guns N' Roses for a minute.

00:32:06Marc:You know, musicians, they're just trying to... Most of them are just trying to keep making a fucking living.

00:32:11Marc:Right.

00:32:12Marc:You know, we definitely, I guess, out of the two horrible...

00:32:15Marc:things to do with your life, we picked the better one.

00:32:18Guest:Yeah.

00:32:20Guest:We picked the good, horrible thing.

00:32:22Marc:Have you been doing any, like, have you been doing television?

00:32:25Guest:No, I mean, I've done some cartoon voices.

00:32:28Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:32:29Guest:Like, 10-year-old Tom, and I did something called Hoagie Brothers.

00:32:33Guest:Do you change up your voice at all?

00:32:35Guest:They usually don't ask me to.

00:32:37Guest:Yeah.

00:32:37Marc:Which is, part of me is like, oh, that's great.

00:32:39Marc:Then part of me is like, well, you don't think I can do it?

00:32:41Marc:Yeah.

00:32:41Marc:Maybe, I don't know.

00:32:42Marc:Like, I always make the wrong choice.

00:32:44Marc:Like, I did The Bad Guys, which turned out to be a huge movie.

00:32:47Marc:And everybody else, literally everyone else about maybe one or two.

00:32:51Marc:Like, Rockwell's in it.

00:32:52Marc:Craig Robinson.

00:32:54Marc:Sam Rockwell?

00:32:55Marc:Yeah.

00:32:55Guest:I just ran in.

00:32:56Guest:I posted an Instagram picture.

00:32:57Guest:I ran into him at the coffee shop.

00:32:59Marc:Oh, yeah?

00:32:59Marc:Yeah.

00:33:00Marc:He's a nice guy.

00:33:00Guest:Yeah, really nice guy.

00:33:01Marc:But like, you know, he's doing just his regular voice as the wolf.

00:33:05Marc:And I choose this voice where I'm like, hey, what's going on?

00:33:07Marc:So I'm doing hours of that.

00:33:09Marc:My throat is shredding.

00:33:11Marc:That is the variety of voices I do for cartoons.

00:33:13Marc:It's either me or something around here.

00:33:15Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:33:16Guest:Gravely guy.

00:33:17Marc:Yeah, gravel.

00:33:18Marc:Gravelly guy.

00:33:19Marc:That's my name in the credits.

00:33:20Marc:Chainsmoker.

00:33:21Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:33:22Marc:But I guess I'm going to do another one of those.

00:33:24Marc:Are you really?

00:33:25Marc:Yeah.

00:33:26Marc:I'd love to do a movie.

00:33:28Marc:Yeah.

00:33:29Marc:Yeah, I don't know how that all happened, but, you know, kids like it.

00:33:32Guest:Yeah.

00:33:33Marc:It's kind of wild.

00:33:34Guest:You can make some good money doing that, too, can't you?

00:33:36Marc:Yeah, I think we're going to do all right on the second one, you know.

00:33:39Marc:You know, it's going to be fun.

00:33:41Marc:Like you said, we.

00:33:41Marc:Like, oh, that's good.

00:33:43Guest:Am I in on this?

00:33:43Guest:Holy shit.

00:33:44Marc:Yeah, you, my manager.

00:33:46Guest:All my old friends.

00:33:47Guest:Anyone who I've been friends with over 10 years gets a cut.

00:33:48Marc:They get a little something.

00:33:50Marc:Do you have a manager still?

00:33:51Guest:No, I don't have a manager, but I just have an agent.

00:33:53Guest:Yeah?

00:33:54Guest:A booking agent.

00:33:55Marc:How did that end with Dave?

00:33:58Marc:Oh, it just kind of fizzled, yeah.

00:34:01Marc:Yeah, I see him sometimes.

00:34:03Marc:We're okay.

00:34:04Marc:Yeah.

00:34:05Marc:Are you?

00:34:06Guest:Yeah, I mean, I ran into him and we hugged and whatever.

00:34:09Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:10Marc:It's kind of weird, dude, how long we were with people.

00:34:13Marc:Yeah.

00:34:14Marc:And then you start to realize, like, I don't think they're doing anything for me.

00:34:20Marc:It's weird when you talk to people in real show business, like big show business, because their relationship, it's like, you know, the top guys are with the top guys and, you know, they all understand how the business works.

00:34:31Marc:And, you know, I just remember years just going like, what am I, what's going on?

00:34:35Marc:Can I get that?

00:34:37Marc:How did that guy get that?

00:34:38Guest:Right.

00:34:39Guest:And if you're a $20 million person for a picture, you can talk to your agent.

00:34:45Guest:Yeah, like your business partners.

00:34:46Guest:And they'll still take your calls.

00:34:47Guest:Yeah.

00:34:48Marc:Like you're actually working together towards something.

00:34:50Guest:They want to be like, not here.

00:34:51Guest:Yeah.

00:34:52Guest:Call them back.

00:34:52Guest:Yeah.

00:34:53Guest:Do you go out for movies?

00:34:54Guest:um not now right now anyways i i you know i end up putting myself on tape a lot i guess over the pandemic and it's always frustrating because you just you just never know like are they really looking for someone or am i going to get this off of tape but i know people who book stuff off tapes yeah they do i think it's like it was they've it's had to become the way to do it yeah i think a lot of people still do it that way i got glow off of tape yeah yeah okay

00:35:18Guest:Yeah.

00:35:19Guest:Yeah.

00:35:19Guest:I mean, I do them and I have like people who will film me, you know, like, you know, Lenny Marcus.

00:35:23Guest:Yeah.

00:35:24Guest:He films people's auditions.

00:35:25Guest:Yeah.

00:35:26Guest:And he does a great job.

00:35:27Guest:He directs you.

00:35:27Guest:He gives you good ideas.

00:35:28Guest:And then this other woman who used to work at the cellar who lives in the low east side and films me.

00:35:33Guest:But it's always like, you know, hey, it's Monday.

00:35:38Guest:By Wednesday, can you memorize 15 pages?

00:35:40Guest:And I'm like, fuck.

00:35:41Guest:Can you just read it?

00:35:42Guest:Can you just give me this part?

00:35:43Guest:Do you talk to Aronofsky?

00:35:45Guest:No.

00:35:45Guest:I wrote to him after The Whale, and I didn't hear back, but he's usually good about writing back.

00:35:50Guest:But I haven't talked to him in years, a few years, yeah.

00:35:53Marc:I had such a weird interview with him.

00:35:54Marc:I really fucked it up.

00:35:56Marc:Oh, I thought that was good.

00:35:56Marc:I listened to that.

00:35:57Marc:That was the one when Buster was missing?

00:35:59Guest:Yeah, I thought that was interesting.

00:36:00Guest:Yeah.

00:36:00Guest:It was like an interesting drama.

00:36:02Marc:The secondary drama of Buster?

00:36:04Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:36:04Marc:And then he came back?

00:36:05Marc:Yeah, I mean, you have to fucking get that on tape.

00:36:08Marc:No, it was all good, but I just felt bad that I hadn't seen the movie that's, you know.

00:36:12Marc:I do remember that.

00:36:15Marc:It's like, whoa.

00:36:16Marc:I couldn't get through it.

00:36:17Marc:Eventually I did, and I still didn't understand it.

00:36:20Marc:A mother?

00:36:21Marc:Yeah.

00:36:22Marc:Yeah.

00:36:22Marc:There's a lot going on.

00:36:23Marc:I forgot about that one.

00:36:24Marc:That was a wild one.

00:36:25Marc:Yeah, but apparently it's a book of Genesis or something.

00:36:28Guest:Oh, well.

00:36:30Marc:I don't know.

00:36:31Guest:I'm too dumb.

00:36:32Guest:I mean, I know that's a Bible thing.

00:36:34Marc:And then I interviewed Rachel Weisz recently.

00:36:37Marc:She's the best.

00:36:38Guest:Yeah, she's good.

00:36:39Marc:But I kind of brought him up because they were married.

00:36:41Marc:Yeah, I used to live right across the street from both of them.

00:36:43Marc:Yeah, it didn't seem like a hot topic.

00:36:45Guest:No?

00:36:46Guest:Yeah, Abraham?

00:36:47Guest:Yeah.

00:36:48Marc:With someone's ex?

00:36:48Marc:Yeah.

00:36:49Guest:Yeah.

00:36:49Marc:And I don't know why I think that's okay.

00:36:51Marc:Hey, let's talk about your ex.

00:36:53Marc:Well, it's like, yeah, I interviewed Darren once.

00:36:55Marc:He's like, uh-huh.

00:36:56Marc:I'm like, oh, okay.

00:36:58Marc:Yeah.

00:36:58Marc:When I brought up Duncan Jones as his mother, that was a fucking disaster.

00:37:01Marc:Oh, really?

00:37:02Marc:Yeah.

00:37:02Marc:Like, you know, David Bowie's kid.

00:37:04Guest:Right.

00:37:05Marc:Like, his mom was just this, like, you know, crazy drug-addicted person, like, throughout, you know, when he was a kid.

00:37:11Marc:And I just thought it would be a way in.

00:37:12Marc:And clearly not.

00:37:15Marc:Yeah.

00:37:15Marc:I love those moments.

00:37:17Marc:Those are the most exciting moments.

00:37:18Guest:And he just, like, shut down?

00:37:20Marc:Kind of.

00:37:21Marc:You know, it was not great after that.

00:37:23Marc:But, you know, it was all right.

00:37:25Marc:What are you going to do, man?

00:37:26Marc:I don't know.

00:37:27Marc:It's interesting when you talk to those guys, those kids of those... He brought it up.

00:37:32Marc:He said, like...

00:37:34Marc:in terms of the kids of those people.

00:37:37Marc:He said it's a pretty small club.

00:37:39Marc:But it's not really, but it is a small club in relation to, like, Beatles kids, Bowie's kids, and, you know, that's the club, right?

00:37:48Marc:No one's like, you know, they're not reaching out to Bob Seger's kids or whatever, you know?

00:37:53Guest:McCartney's son came to my show in London.

00:37:54Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:37:55Guest:Yeah.

00:37:56Guest:It was funny, because I was talking to him a little bit, and I didn't notice any resemblance, and I didn't know who he was.

00:38:01Guest:And then someone said, that's Paul McCartney.

00:38:02Guest:And I was like, oh, my God.

00:38:04Guest:Of course it is.

00:38:05Guest:Yeah.

00:38:05Guest:Nice guy?

00:38:06Guest:Yeah, he was nice.

00:38:07Guest:I just never acknowledged that I knew who his father was, because I'm sure he'd rather just be talked to.

00:38:13Marc:Yeah, it was one of the best moments when I was interviewing Sean Lennon.

00:38:16Marc:Yeah.

00:38:17Marc:When his phone was ringing, and he holds it up, and I don't recognize the name.

00:38:20Marc:And then he just says, Paul's kid, he's okay.

00:38:25Marc:Paul's kid.

00:38:26Marc:It must have been that one.

00:38:28Guest:I was once in a store in Soho, and Sean Lennon was in there looking at glasses.

00:38:32Guest:Yeah.

00:38:32Guest:I was just like, why'd you just buy all the glasses?

00:38:36Guest:He's sitting there trying them on, like, just buy them all.

00:38:47Guest:Thank you.