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Episode 734165 • Released September 8, 2023 • Speakers detected

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00:00:00Guest:I would love to have Chris Nolan on.
00:00:01Guest:I think he would be a great guest, actually.
00:00:04Guest:Same.
00:00:04Guest:He loves comedy.
00:00:06Guest:He thinks Talladega Nights is one of the best movies ever made.
00:00:09Guest:Amazing.
00:00:09Guest:He loves MacGruber.
00:00:11Guest:I literally watched MacGruber because I was like, Chris Nolan says this is one of his favorite comedies.
00:00:33Guest:Hey, Chris.
00:00:34Guest:BMAC.
00:00:35Guest:How you doing, buddy?
00:00:37Guest:I'm all right, man.
00:00:38Guest:I'm holding it together.
00:00:39Guest:It's very busy here around my place.
00:00:42Guest:I don't have a refrigerator problem, so that's a good thing.
00:00:47Guest:I don't have Ukrainian guys in and out of my house trying to fix my fridge.
00:00:50Marc:Does he really have a $10,000 refrigerator?
00:00:54Guest:I think he was kidding with that guy, but it might be.
00:00:56Guest:I think all of his stuff is Viking.
00:00:59Guest:You know, it's like he bought the house with it in there, right?
00:01:02Guest:Gotcha.
00:01:03Guest:So I think it's all, you know, high-end kitchen stuff.
00:01:06Guest:And that's why I think he wants to get it fixed, right?
00:01:08Guest:Sure.
00:01:09Guest:Because if you're listening to this, hello, welcome to the show.
00:01:12Guest:Welcome to Friday's show.
00:01:13Guest:We're talking about something that if you haven't been listening to WTF for the last several episodes, you would not know, but it has been a recent thread, a narrative thread.
00:01:24Guest:And it is that Mark is trying to get his refrigerator fixed and it is proving to be the, what do you call that?
00:01:30Guest:A Sisyphean task, rolling the rock up the hill to have it come down the other side.
00:01:36Guest:I'm very much enjoying it.
00:01:37Guest:And I keep telling him to do whatever he can to goose the content on that one.
00:01:42Guest:Because I love recurring narratives like this.
00:01:45Guest:It's literally stuff that people still write into us to this day.
00:01:50Guest:It's stuff that was like a recurring narrative of some mundane thing that he like went on and on about for weeks.
00:01:56Guest:Like there was there was a problem once with like the reception in his.
00:02:00Guest:No, it wasn't even reception.
00:02:01Guest:It was, he rented an office space and he put his turntable in the office and he could hear a buzzing and it was driving him berserk.
00:02:10Guest:And it like went all the way up the chain of command to like AT&T or T-Mobile or someone.
00:02:17Guest:And they like, like, cause he was calling them out by name.
00:02:20Guest:Like, I think you're fucking with my building or whatever.
00:02:23Guest:And they sent someone to fix it.
00:02:24Guest:They put like a Faraday cage over the whole roof.
00:02:27Guest:So...
00:02:30Guest:So, yeah, I love Mark's foibles that cause fun stories to be threaded through the monologues.
00:02:39Guest:And the Ukrainian fridge repairmen are no different.
00:02:42Guest:Just was talking to Mark today and I said, did you hear anything from the guys?
00:02:46Guest:No, I haven't heard from him yet.
00:02:47Guest:But next time he comes over, I got to take a selfie with the guy because I feel like I need to post what he looks like.
00:02:54Guest:And I was like, I don't know, man.
00:02:56Guest:I'm developing such an affinity for the image I have in my head of this guy.
00:03:00Guest:I kind of don't want to ruin it.
00:03:01Guest:I got this like total Captain Ahab presentation of this guy.
00:03:05Guest:Right.
00:03:06Marc:You don't ruin the spell.
00:03:07Marc:I don't want it ruined.
00:03:08Marc:Yeah, totally.
00:03:11Marc:For me, it was, he gets a phone call and he's like, oh, make that to go.
00:03:16Marc:Make that food to go.
00:03:18Guest:gotta get home he's outside well then the fact that he was like yeah we'll do this again I'm sure I'll call him I'll text him I'll say I've had it I'm buying a new fridge he'll say no no I'll come over and then it'll be three days later and I'll get a text when I'm not in the house I keeled over when the guy was like no no no we'll be able to fix it he's like and Mark's like yeah of course of course you are why would we break this up we gotta keep going
00:03:48Guest:Yeah, seriously, if this kind of stuff didn't happen in Mark's life, I wouldn't really want to do the show.
00:03:56Guest:Like I do it.
00:03:57Guest:I've done it for 14 years because these things keep happening.
00:04:00Guest:They keep happening because a regular person is like, oh, fuck this.
00:04:04Guest:I'm done.
00:04:05Guest:I'm either moving on to someone else or we're getting a new fridge or whatever.
00:04:09Guest:But like Mark is happy to do it this way.
00:04:12Guest:This is satisfying to him.
00:04:13Guest:The chaos is the point.
00:04:15Guest:Yes.
00:04:17Guest:What about you?
00:04:18Guest:Any other things that you were liking this week?
00:04:22Marc:Oh, man.
00:04:24Marc:Just the whole conversation with Todd Barry was fantastic.
00:04:30Marc:And I loved your bonus episode where you didn't even make an appearance.
00:04:36Marc:It was kind of like we were birds floating in or fluttering in and hanging out and just listening to guys chat about shit.
00:04:45Marc:I just really loved it.
00:04:47Guest:Oh yeah, distinctly not a producer cut.
00:04:50Guest:It was just extra with Todd.
00:04:52Guest:In fact, I should address this.
00:04:54Guest:I'm going to read this email here from Ryan.
00:04:57Guest:I don't know, it might be the same Ryan who wrote in a couple weeks ago.
00:05:01Guest:And if it is, hi again, Ryan.
00:05:04Guest:But I have this email here.
00:05:05Guest:It says, I have a question for each of you.
00:05:07Guest:Uh, Brendan, why wasn't the Todd Berry conversation shared as a regular full length episode?
00:05:14Guest:And Chris, do you have a favorite WTF interview with a comedian?
00:05:17Guest:So you can think about your answer to that.
00:05:21Guest:And I will address the, the Todd Berry question, uh, to Ryan and to everyone else, if you happen to listen to it.
00:05:27Guest:Uh, so, I mean, the deal is we sometimes don't have flexibility to
00:05:31Guest:To put people in and like this is a time where that is absolutely the case.
00:05:35Guest:I'm looking at my guest calendar here and, you know, including this week, I don't have any flexibility on the guests until September 25th.
00:05:46Guest:Every other guest is like locked in.
00:05:48Guest:for a pre-existing booking date.
00:05:52Guest:Like, you know, they'd say, hey, can we come on the show and we have a book coming out or we have this that's coming up and we want to be able to promote it and so can we line up the interview with that date?
00:06:03Guest:And if we say yes, I don't like to go back on that.
00:06:06Guest:You know, sometimes I can ask a favor and say, hey, can we move that like one or two slots?
00:06:11Guest:But nevertheless...
00:06:12Guest:I was in a situation where I was locked in with guests until the 25th.
00:06:18Guest:And Todd just put this special out.
00:06:19Guest:And basically, that's a booking where he's a friend of Mark's and said, hey, can I come on the show and plug my special?
00:06:27Guest:And the special came out last week.
00:06:28Guest:So if we waited till the 25th, that's a long wait for him.
00:06:31Guest:That's over a month.
00:06:32Guest:And...
00:06:33Guest:You know, we used to do this very regularly, where we would have short segments, 20 minutes or so, not that short, but like a shorter version of an interview.
00:06:45Guest:And that's basically what we were doing here.
00:06:48Guest:We didn't have space to put Todd on the schedule.
00:06:51Guest:And so it's like, hey, well, come do a shorty.
00:06:54Guest:But...
00:06:55Guest:Mark and Todd are old friends.
00:06:57Guest:They talked a lot.
00:06:58Guest:They just talked like without any kind of shape or form, right?
00:07:02Guest:It was like kind of scattershot all over the place.
00:07:05Guest:It was not a traditional WTF talk.
00:07:07Guest:It was like just two guys catching up, right?
00:07:10Guest:And I feel like we edited down to like 20 minutes that worked very well on the episode that you heard on Monday, the one with Michael Simon as the main guest, but...
00:07:19Guest:But then having that extra 40, right?
00:07:22Guest:You're like, well, we have a bonus tier now.
00:07:25Guest:This can be for them.
00:07:26Guest:This is like almost specifically for the type of people who subscribe to this.
00:07:30Guest:If you subscribe to WTF Plus, you're like, I like Mark.
00:07:33Guest:I like the people who come on regularly.
00:07:35Guest:Like, this is a great place for us to air it.
00:07:38Guest:Like, maybe if we didn't have the WTF Plus tier and the full Marin, I would have, like, broken it up over the course of several weeks or something and done, like, hey, short clips with Todd over the next, like, three episodes.
00:07:50Guest:That's a possibility.
00:07:51Guest:But I think this way, we were able to do the shorty, which we used to do all the time.
00:07:56Guest:We stopped doing, basically, because we, again, ran out of bandwidth for it.
00:08:00Guest:It was like, everybody that Mark knew, they were like, can I come on for a short one?
00:08:03Guest:And it's like...
00:08:04Guest:At some point, we have to not do that, right?
00:08:07Guest:And so this is a perfect way to do that.
00:08:09Guest:We want to do a short one, great, but we want to talk to that person for a little longer, like a regular one-hour thing.
00:08:15Guest:Well, then that can go up for extra content, for bonus content.
00:08:19Guest:And you people are paying for this.
00:08:20Guest:You should get exclusive stuff like that once in a while.
00:08:23Guest:That's the best possible case, I think, for you guys listening, where...
00:08:28Guest:We've had people in ACAST ask us this before.
00:08:31Guest:Like, hey, do you think ever of like, you know, maybe having exclusive guests only for the bonus episodes?
00:08:37Guest:And it's like, well, that's a little bit of a raw deal for our guests, right?
00:08:41Guest:It's like a show that is listened to by hundreds of thousands of listeners is the main WTF.
00:08:47Guest:And then a very small portion of that for the bonus content, right?
00:08:50Guest:Right.
00:08:51Guest:So, you know, it's giving them a little bit of short shrift.
00:08:54Guest:And I don't really feel comfortable with it, but I feel comfortable doing what we did with Todd, where it's essentially a favor.
00:09:01Guest:He said, he asked Mark for, can I come on and plug this show?
00:09:04Guest:Sure thing you can.
00:09:06Guest:But at the same time,
00:09:08Guest:you know, we can give people more than just a plug.
00:09:12Guest:It's just more for people who are paying for it, who are exclusive subscribers.
00:09:16Guest:So there you go.
00:09:17Guest:That's my long answer.
00:09:18Guest:I think, you know, obviously it's not a short answer because much consideration goes into these things.
00:09:23Guest:It's not something that I thought like, I don't know, we just put Todd up on the bonus.
00:09:27Guest:No, it was a thing we really gave a lot of thought to.
00:09:30Guest:I gave a lot of thought to.
00:09:32Guest:And we'll probably do stuff like that more.
00:09:35Guest:Alright, so your favorite WTF interview with a comedian, as asked by Ryan.
00:09:40Marc:Can I just say, you guys have so much content.
00:09:44Marc:Like, I can't believe how much content you have delivered.
00:09:48Marc:And basically, have you ever missed a week?
00:09:52Guest:Well, I mean, never missed it in the sense that we haven't put something up.
00:09:56Guest:Obviously, there were times where, you know, I'm thinking particularly around when Lynn Shelton died.
00:10:03Guest:We didn't put new episodes up, but I mean, Mark definitely put new material out there.
00:10:10Guest:You know, he recorded a eulogy for her.
00:10:12Guest:He recorded that next Thursday, a eulogy for...
00:10:16Guest:uh fred willard who had died the same weekend she did right and and so we replayed those episodes so there have been weeks where we've done that um you know there have been weeks where uh we said to you know somebody who died who was on the show and we said to you know our ad partner hey we're not airing an episode today we're gonna put back this episode with a new intro or something i think you know robin williams that was one we did that with
00:10:40Guest:Um, but yeah, we know we've delivered twice a week, every week for 14 years.
00:10:44Marc:That's unbelievable, dude.
00:10:46Marc:Like, do you know how hard that is?
00:10:48Marc:That's like, I think about it every once in a while.
00:10:51Marc:Yeah.
00:10:52Marc:That is insane.
00:10:53Marc:Like absolutely insane.
00:10:56Marc:Um, with that being said, I mean, just cause I was scrolling through and I'm like, oh, maybe something will jump out at me.
00:11:01Marc:I'm like, oh man, this is a big, big ass scroll that I'm doing right now.
00:11:05Marc:I mean, just props to you and Mark.
00:11:08Marc:This is incredible shit and the most consistent shit.
00:11:13Marc:Like, wow, you guys just never miss a week.
00:11:18Marc:It's just awesome.
00:11:19Marc:So my favorites, I would say Seth Rogen, one of my favorites.
00:11:24Marc:And honestly, it goes back to Carlos Mencia.
00:11:28Marc:And I think it's because I think my wife has me on all this like true detective type of stuff where it's just a it's it played out like a detective story.
00:11:39Marc:Yeah.
00:11:41Marc:Peeling the onion.
00:11:41Marc:Yeah.
00:11:42Marc:I just loved that.
00:11:43Marc:And that, for me, probably my favorite comedian episodes.
00:11:48Guest:Well, that's definitely valid.
00:11:50Guest:I mean, the Carlos one is great because it's like two in one, I feel like.
00:11:54Guest:It's exactly what you're saying, where there's this narrative pulling underneath it that then gets kind of brought to the surface in the second part, right?
00:12:04Guest:Mm-hmm.
00:12:04Guest:Steve Trevino and Willie Barsena come on first to talk about their experiences with Carlos, and then Carlos comes back to deal with the allegations against him, which was primarily about joke theft, but also just generally his treatment of other comics.
00:12:19Guest:But that first interview with Carlos is like a real...
00:12:22Guest:early wtf comic interview like it's it's it's a great episode because it's like mark was getting good enough with what he was doing and comfortable enough with what he was doing that that talk with carlos was like it was making sense to him but also feeling like something was missing because he was getting to learn from doing this week in week out when people weren't being honest with him
00:12:46Guest:when they were being evasive, when they were being guarded.
00:12:48Guest:Right.
00:12:49Guest:You were in real time in that Carlos Mencia episode, the two-part episode, you were seeing Mark's growth as the host of this show.
00:12:58Guest:You were seeing the skill set that he now can kind of employ immediately to size someone up or understand how the conversation's going, change direction if need be.
00:13:08Guest:He was developing that kind of in real time in that moment.
00:13:10Guest:And yeah.
00:13:11Guest:Yeah.
00:13:11Guest:I would highly recommend checking that out if you never have.
00:13:15Guest:It's very early on.
00:13:16Guest:It's available only to you, Full Marin subscribers.
00:13:20Guest:And I believe it's episode 76?
00:13:22Guest:Yeah, I think 75 and 76.
00:13:25Marc:75 and 76.
00:13:28Marc:There we go.
00:13:29Marc:You know, to your point...
00:13:31Marc:Mark's sort of skill is also on display when John Mulaney is on the show.
00:13:38Marc:And Mark's sort of asking him sort of prying questions, and John is sort of not answering it truthfully, as we later find out as he checks himself into rehab.
00:13:52Marc:So that's another good one.
00:13:55Marc:If you listen to it, in retrospect, you can see, oh yeah, this guy is hiding something.
00:14:01Marc:That's true, but it's interesting.
00:14:03Guest:I think if he could have it, Mark would like a mulligan on that one.
00:14:07Guest:And from all I know, he may get it.
00:14:09Guest:Oh, awesome.
00:14:10Guest:Relatively soon.
00:14:11Guest:But I think his takeaway with that was John was a guy who was hiding something, but what he was hiding was more about control and about trying to keep himself controlled and that the...
00:14:26Guest:addiction element of it was part of that but not dominant and i i think mark might have underestimated what kind of uh crisis he was in in at that point in his life when he did get sober the first time uh i think mark might have taken it too lightly and has talked about that with me like yeah i didn't think that guy was in the kind of crisis that he said he was and that's my fault that i didn't
00:14:53Guest:realize that or take him at his word.
00:14:56Guest:And yeah, they may have a follow-up with that sometime soon, which would be very cool.
00:15:01Marc:Yeah.
00:15:02Marc:I mean, he went to his birthday party, which is pretty cool.
00:15:05Marc:With Lorne Michaels, by the way.
00:15:08Guest:It's so weird.
00:15:11Guest:He said he went, wait, hang on, I gotta get this text.
00:15:15Guest:So, yeah, he texted me when that happened.
00:15:18Guest:He said, you know, it was a great night.
00:15:20Guest:He was sitting in between Conan and John Mulaney, which sounds like a blast.
00:15:24Guest:And then he said he had a great time talking to Hayter and good to see a bunch of people he saw there.
00:15:30Guest:And he said, and Lorne walked in.
00:15:33Guest:I said, oh, wow, how was Lorne?
00:15:35Guest:And he told me the same thing he mentioned on the show, that he sent a group text to everyone the next day.
00:15:42Guest:And he said, I think I got SNL last night.
00:15:44Guest:Thanks, everyone.
00:15:47Guest:But then he said, I'm reading this right after the text from Mark.
00:15:51Guest:I walked up to him and said, hey, Lauren, Mark Maron.
00:15:54Guest:He said, I know who you are.
00:15:56Guest:Yeah.
00:15:59Guest:I literally just like wrote like a blast of ha ha ha on my text.
00:16:04Guest:I was laughing the way you are right now as I was reading that.
00:16:08Guest:And I said, I mean, did you think he did it?
00:16:12Guest:And this is what he wrote back.
00:16:13Guest:He goes, no, guess I just wanted to hear him say it.
00:16:22Guest:And he wrote, some part of me always stays the same.
00:16:25Guest:Yeah.
00:16:27Guest:it's still in there he's still in there that guy and then then like almost a seemingly unrelated thought he said i did well at the table and i again burst out laughing in text i wrote you crushed that birthday party
00:16:48Marc:Oh, so great.
00:16:50Marc:Oh, man.
00:16:51Marc:He's the best.
00:16:52Marc:And by the way, just, I mean, I really can't pick, like, just my favorite, honestly.
00:17:00Marc:Mel Brooks was great.
00:17:01Marc:Jeff Ross was great.
00:17:03Marc:I mean, there are too many to mention.
00:17:05Marc:Like, it's just a murder's row of guests that you guys have had.
00:17:09Guest:I would never be able to do it.
00:17:11Guest:I mean, I'd be able to do it in, in groupings to be like, yeah, these are, these are amazing to me.
00:17:16Guest:There's some that it's just like Mel Brooks is one of those ones.
00:17:19Guest:Like, I can't believe this happened in my life.
00:17:23Guest:Like, like Mel, it's like having Bugs Bunny on the show.
00:17:25Guest:Like I just, it doesn't seem possible.
00:17:28Guest:And that he was so awesome.
00:17:30Guest:Like he, he was like, yeah, we'll do this for as long as you want.
00:17:33Guest:It was like two hours.
00:17:34Guest:He loved talking to Mark.
00:17:36Guest:It was, that is a, that was a dream, a dream.
00:17:39Guest:Yeah.
00:17:41Guest:Well, since we're on guests and booking, I want to go to this other comment that got sent in to us.
00:17:46Guest:This is from Craig.
00:17:48Guest:He says, just listening to this week's Friday show and your comments about the change in direction in booking guests.
00:17:54Guest:And while I agree that what draws me to the show is Mark and his engagement with guests, I hope you don't swing too far in the direction of just booking people Mark is already familiar with.
00:18:03Guest:Mm-hmm.
00:18:23Guest:which I realize is a special case and won't happen again.
00:18:26Guest:But recently I re-listened to that episode and it is quite something.
00:18:29Guest:There's a magic in hearing two people really connect for the first time that is to me worth the occasional Ben Kingsley misfire.
00:18:36Guest:I love the show and I love Mark.
00:18:37Guest:And to be honest, I'll keep listening no matter who Mark talks to.
00:18:40Guest:I just want to make sure you don't let the recent Kingsley experience sour you on taking chances with booking.
00:18:46Guest:Thanks for reading this.
00:18:47Guest:Craig.
00:18:48Guest:So that's all very well thought out.
00:18:51Guest:And I want to reassure you there's nothing of the sort that's going on that would affect the show in the way you're talking about it, right?
00:18:58Guest:Decreasing the kind of discovery of people and fresh faces, people that don't know Mark and have this kind of reaction to talking to him.
00:19:07Guest:And I guess maybe it's because I need to explain the booking process a little better here.
00:19:11Guest:It's not a very linear way that we book the show.
00:19:15Guest:It's a hodgepodge, a grab bag of all sorts of ways.
00:19:18Guest:Some people come in directly to Mark.
00:19:20Guest:Some people are Mark's curiosity is piqued by someone.
00:19:24Guest:He says, can we reach out and see if this person will do the show?
00:19:27Guest:Others are like direct pitches.
00:19:29Guest:Others come from the fact that our bookers work with talent agencies and they work on Jimmy Kimmel Live and they have a string of people always available that are going to be in LA and they're tapped into promotional schedules and that.
00:19:43Guest:But
00:19:44Guest:it's a mistake to think that we just like get those guests as they come and they come on and we just are part of a junket circuit.
00:19:54Guest:Like if anything, we're the exact opposite.
00:19:58Guest:We insist that,
00:19:59Guest:that the guests know this is not a junket show.
00:20:03Guest:In fact, we will talk maybe about the project they're doing, but it's mostly a one-hour life and career retrospective, that they need to think of it more of like a magazine profile.
00:20:14Guest:It's not going to be a promotional thing.
00:20:17Guest:We actually won't take guests on the show if they are coming from a junket, like where you sit there and you do a round robin with, you know, 20 to 100 people
00:20:28Guest:people from the press all over the world, right?
00:20:30Guest:For two to five minutes a piece.
00:20:33Guest:When you're a guest and you're in that mindset, that is not good for then doing what Mark does, where you sit down and you talk thoughtfully about your whole life and career.
00:20:43Guest:So like, we are not on that type of circuit.
00:20:47Guest:And it was not about getting off that circuit in terms of changing the guests, right?
00:20:53Guest:What it really was about was somebody like Ben Kingsley, how that happened.
00:20:56Guest:Okay.
00:20:57Guest:That goes back almost a decade, I think.
00:21:01Guest:I think it was maybe 2014, 15, don't remember the exact date, but it was a possibility that we would book him on the show because of this movie that was coming out, an animated movie called The Box Trolls.
00:21:13Guest:And he was doing promotion for it.
00:21:14Guest:And it was like, what we do is we get these lists of guests that are out doing promotion or they may have movies coming out.
00:21:21Guest:And we add those guests in with the type of people we've already requested or pitches that have come directly into us that we've said, yes, follow up on this.
00:21:30Guest:And looking at like a list of movies that are coming on, you see a thing that's
00:21:34Guest:You know, the box trolls, who cares about what that is?
00:21:36Guest:It was a kid's movie animated stop animation film.
00:21:39Guest:But Mark was like, well, Ben Kingsley, a guy played Gandhi and he's a sir.
00:21:43Guest:And like, I'm interested in, you know, how his life developed.
00:21:46Guest:And yeah, I'd like to talk to that guy if this is the opportunity to do it because he's doing some kids film.
00:21:51Guest:Great.
00:21:52Guest:And we put in for it and it didn't wind up happening.
00:21:54Guest:We actually wound up booking Nick Frost off of that movie.
00:21:58Guest:Same exact thing.
00:21:59Guest:Like they came back to us and said, we can't get Ben Kingsley, but we can get you Nick Frost.
00:22:03Guest:And the hilarious thing about that is that's a great episode with Nick Frost.
00:22:08Guest:You know, if you know him from the Simon Pegg movies.
00:22:12Guest:Shaun of the Dead.
00:22:13Guest:Shaun of the Dead.
00:22:14Guest:Why am I blanking on the director's name?
00:22:16Guest:oh that's the guy i'm trying to to oh the guy the guy from um scott pilgrim driver um yeah baby driver yeah edgar wright edgar wright yeah geez look at us uh but uh yeah so you know we that wound up being a great episode and a hilarious thing was uh you don't hear this in the episode but they ended walked out of the garage and the publicist was standing there and mark was like
00:22:40Guest:Oh shit.
00:22:41Guest:What was it you're even here for?
00:22:43Guest:And he was like the box trolls.
00:22:44Guest:And he was like, yeah, we never talked about it at all.
00:22:46Guest:When we go back in, we'll talk about that for five minutes.
00:22:49Guest:They didn't talk about that thing at all.
00:22:51Guest:Like that was not the goal.
00:22:53Guest:Right.
00:22:53Guest:Yeah.
00:22:53Guest:So, uh, you know, okay.
00:22:55Guest:So that was 2014, 2015, somewhere around that range.
00:23:00Guest:It happened many times after that because we were already looped in with Ben Kingsley's reps that like if he was having some other movie come out, they would check back in.
00:23:09Guest:Oh, are you still interested in having Ben Kingsley and we have him coming up for this?
00:23:12Guest:And, you know, it just became this thing that stretched out over the course of many years.
00:23:16Guest:And then all of a sudden it's because he's promoting this film that I haven't heard about before or since this Salvador Dali film that he made.
00:23:25Guest:And it was like, oh, OK, well, you could get him on for that.
00:23:29Guest:And it was like, yeah, OK, fine.
00:23:30Guest:This was like a long time coming.
00:23:32Guest:You could have it on.
00:23:33Guest:And it's like everything had stretched so far away.
00:23:37Guest:Mark's interest level in ever wanting to really talk to the guy.
00:23:40Guest:Like now Mark is an actor himself.
00:23:42Guest:He's done a lot of acting.
00:23:43Guest:He didn't really care about the Ben Kingsley process of acting.
00:23:47Guest:Right.
00:23:47Guest:So it was more like like, oh, yeah, that was something we wanted to do at one point and it got put off.
00:23:53Guest:So why don't we say yes?
00:23:54Guest:OK, let's have a minute.
00:23:56Guest:And that was what made me put the brakes on it.
00:23:58Guest:Go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:24:00Guest:let's not do this anymore.
00:24:02Guest:Let's not just do the guests that their name came up because of something they had done in the past.
00:24:07Guest:And we say, sure, let's have them on.
00:24:10Guest:Killian Murphy was something where Mark was like, I want to talk to that guy.
00:24:15Guest:We reached out to them to,
00:24:17Guest:When Mark met him at that airport, right?
00:24:20Guest:And they said, oh, well, let's do this when he has the movie Oppenheimer coming out next year, okay?
00:24:24Guest:So that's a perfect version of like going directly to a guest and saying, yes, we want to have you on.
00:24:31Guest:And as Craig, who wrote in, identified, part of what was great about that episode was Killian kind of like growing into Mark's personality in the moment.
00:24:42Guest:Those will continue to happen.
00:24:44Guest:They may not be happening right now because of the SAG after strike, but that's just kind of a coincidence.
00:24:49Guest:Like we made this overhaul to get people, people and projects that Mark is more engaged with.
00:24:56Guest:And I gotta tell you, his mood on this stuff has improved.
00:25:00Guest:He has said to me multiple times, man, I feel invigorated with these guests.
00:25:04Guest:lately like that's awesome it was totally the right move and I can assure you Craig we are not like going to move away from people that you're interested in like hey Stephen Fry is he interesting to you he's interesting to us we're gonna have him on in a couple weeks awesome Chevy Chase is he interesting yes
00:25:24Guest:We're going to have him on in a couple of weeks.
00:25:26Guest:Like Les Claypool from Primus.
00:25:29Guest:He's already been on.
00:25:30Guest:That one's in the can.
00:25:32Guest:So there's plenty of stuff.
00:25:34Guest:It's not just people that you've heard before or comedians that Mark is familiar with or guests that Mark is familiar with, but he needs to be directly interested and engaged.
00:25:44Guest:That's really it.
00:25:45Guest:That's the criteria.
00:25:47Guest:I went back to the bookers.
00:25:48Guest:I said, please do not book anyone who has been previously approved.
00:25:53Guest:Everyone needs to be renewed approval to have them on.
00:25:57Guest:And that did it.
00:25:58Guest:That was it.
00:25:59Guest:That has really helped so that we have not been in a situation where we're like, yeah, this one really didn't fit anymore.
00:26:06Marc:Nice.
00:26:06Marc:So, so Killian Murphy's people weren't, weren't like, oh, there's also Chris Nolan available.
00:26:11Marc:And Mark's like, nah.
00:26:13Marc:He's like, who?
00:26:13Marc:Yeah.
00:26:15Marc:The guy with the boots who were like, I got one of my shoes.
00:26:17Marc:I don't know.
00:26:19Marc:I don't know what that guy.
00:26:22Guest:Uh, yeah, I, I, uh, I would, I would love to have Chris Nolan on.
00:26:26Guest:I think he would be a great guest actually.
00:26:28Guest:Same.
00:26:29Guest:Yeah.
00:26:30Guest:Like he, he loves, he loves comedy.
00:26:33Guest:Like he has, he thinks Talladega Nights is one of the best movies ever made.
00:26:37Guest:Amazing.
00:26:38Guest:He loves MacGruber.
00:26:39Guest:Like I literally watched MacGruber cause I was like, Chris Nolan says this is one of his favorite comedies.
00:26:45Marc:I'm going to fire that up on Peacock and watch it.
00:26:50Guest:Speaking of comedies, this comment came in from Casey in Portland, Oregon.
00:26:56Guest:And Casey asks, do you have any more good ideas for movies to watch with your son?
00:27:03Guest:I just heard you talk about showing him Independence Day.
00:27:06Guest:I have a nine year old daughter and she's finally at the age where we can start to watch movies beyond kids movies.
00:27:12Guest:For example, we just watched the lost boys, a bunch of Jim Carrey movies, jaws, strange brew.
00:27:19Guest:We're on our way working through freaks and geeks going to show her army of darkness on the big screen with her buddy.
00:27:25Guest:But I'm always racking my brain to think of great movies from when we were kids, meaning us, uh, we were, we were of the same era.
00:27:32Guest:Uh,
00:27:32Guest:I suppose my criteria are high quality and or wildly entertaining.
00:27:38Guest:Those are good criteria.
00:27:39Guest:Yeah, for sure.
00:27:42Guest:Movies like Stand By Me, Footloose, and Young Guns come to mind.
00:27:46Guest:Those are three very different movies, but I guess do fall into wildly entertaining.
00:27:51Guest:Yeah.
00:27:51Guest:She's definitely more into comedy and light horror than straight up action, but any genre is definitely fair game.
00:27:58Guest:She's only nine, so we're not quite ready for Lynch and Tarantino.
00:28:01Guest:Oh, you think so, Doctor?
00:28:06Guest:I thought it might be a fun topic and would love to hear any ideas you have.
00:28:11Guest:Also great to hear Chris's suggestions because I'm pretty sure I was tuned out from pop culture in my twenties.
00:28:18Guest:So there's a period in the late nineties, early two thousands that may or may not have slipped by me.
00:28:23Guest:Thanks so much.
00:28:23Guest:We should clarify here, Chris, you and I are the same exact age.
00:28:28Guest:Like I think you may be like two months older than me.
00:28:30Guest:Do I come off as, as older or younger than you?
00:28:34Guest:I,
00:28:34Guest:I don't know.
00:28:35Guest:But that that that note made it seem like there's a thought that there's an age difference here.
00:28:40Guest:Like we are, I believe, two months apart and you're older.
00:28:44Marc:Yeah.
00:28:44Marc:September 1979.
00:28:45Marc:So yeah.
00:28:47Marc:Yeah.
00:28:47Marc:November 1979.
00:28:48Marc:There you go.
00:28:49Marc:How about that?
00:28:50Guest:Uh, so, okay.
00:28:52Guest:Uh, there's, there's a lot there and there was a footnote on Casey's note that I will get to after this, but in terms of the movie.
00:29:00Guest:So, I mean, what I, the, the fact that you're saying your daughter likes, uh,
00:29:05Guest:Comedy and light horror, and I didn't hear the word Ghostbusters mentioned in there, is a blind spot.
00:29:11Guest:Unless you have shown her Ghostbusters and you just didn't mention it.
00:29:15Guest:But that's, like, the most comedy and light horror.
00:29:19Marc:I feel like that's, like, a given, right?
00:29:21Marc:You probably just didn't mention it because, like, yeah, of course I did.
00:29:24Guest:Yeah.
00:29:25Guest:Right.
00:29:25Guest:Well, I mean, the other thing about this is, like, you know...
00:29:29Guest:I don't want to claim that like all kids are equal, but it's like if we're comparing this nine year old to my son, who's now 12.
00:29:37Guest:But when my son was nine, there were like a lot of things he would not watch.
00:29:40Guest:Right.
00:29:40Guest:So even like even some of the things mentioned in here, like our two, like you would never watch the Lost Boys.
00:29:47Guest:There's no chance.
00:29:48Guest:Nothing like that.
00:29:48Guest:Right.
00:29:49Guest:But I will say some things that went over huge with him that I think maybe Casey, your daughter, would be interested in as well are the Zucker, Abram Zucker movies, particularly Top Secret.
00:30:03Guest:Top Secret was a huge hit.
00:30:07Guest:We did not watch Airplane.
00:30:08Guest:I felt like Airplane, there were certain things I couldn't justify in that.
00:30:12Guest:But we watched the first Naked Gun, which is also a big hit.
00:30:16Guest:Not as big a hit as Top Secret.
00:30:18Guest:Also, Weird Al's UHF.
00:30:21Marc:Yes.
00:30:21Marc:Another big hit.
00:30:22Marc:That was the others on my list.
00:30:24Guest:Okay, so great.
00:30:25Marc:We're on the same page there.
00:30:26Marc:Do you have any others, Chris?
00:30:27Marc:Oh, yeah.
00:30:28Marc:I mean, I have a whole bunch.
00:30:29Marc:I mean, I dare say that this is a legitimately good movie.
00:30:35Marc:I guess I don't know its legacy, but it stars the guy from Apollo 13, Princess Leia, a goonie, and Bruce Dern, and it's the Burbs.
00:30:45Marc:Okay.
00:30:45Marc:Ah, The Burbs.
00:30:46Marc:Yeah, yeah.
00:30:47Marc:One of my favorite movies growing up.
00:30:49Guest:Much maligned when it came out, but a beloved film now.
00:30:53Marc:Yeah, yeah.
00:30:54Marc:That was one of my favorites.
00:30:56Marc:But that's good.
00:30:56Marc:That's light comedy horror.
00:30:58Marc:That's almost exactly right for this.
00:31:00Marc:Batteries Not Included is a wild one.
00:31:02Marc:There are aliens that show up and help a community of old people out of Cocoon.
00:31:09Marc:Batteries Not Included is in there.
00:31:10Marc:Big Trouble in Little China.
00:31:12Marc:Is that a little too old?
00:31:14Guest:For this kid who watched The Lost Boys, I was actually going to say that most Carpenter is okay.
00:31:21Guest:If the kid can handle some light horror, Escape from New York would work.
00:31:27Guest:There's nothing in that that's like, you're like, I just traumatized my kid.
00:31:32Guest:And it's fun as hell.
00:31:34Guest:If the kid gets a little more into horror and scares, the thing is right there.
00:31:40Guest:I watched that I think when I was that age when I was like nine or ten and I loved it I loved all the creature effects I loved everything about that if she watched Army of Darkness a Sam Raimi adjacent thing is John Carpenter's The Thing absolutely yeah although I just saw that for the first time this year and I gotta say those effects scared the shit out of me when I was watching it in the theater like holy shit
00:32:06Guest:Yeah, but you're self-identified as not a horror guy.
00:32:10Guest:No, not a horror guy.
00:32:11Guest:Right, right.
00:32:12Guest:And I would say the John Carpenter horrors, even including Halloween there, are scary, but not absolute terror.
00:32:23Guest:A mature nine-year-old could probably really dig on Halloween.
00:32:28Guest:But here's one thing I will say.
00:32:30Guest:and why I don't offer a ton of suggestions on this front, is that I would offer this more as advice for you, Casey, is that when you're looking into things that's like what was around when we were younger and you want to share that again, sometimes it's better to let those things go.
00:32:49Guest:Because what I have found is that there are a lot of things from the era that we grew up in
00:32:54Guest:where they feel fun, they're looked back on nostalgically, and there was nothing about them that would strike us as inappropriate or wrong.
00:33:04Guest:But even banal things, like the movie Clue, that seems like a very fun movie, especially for younger people.
00:33:12Guest:I think it's rated PG, it's a kind of romp with friendly faces that you know from other movies, Christopher Lloyd and Madeline Kahn and Tim Curry, and
00:33:24Guest:A lot of people have great fond memories of Clue.
00:33:28Guest:I watched it before making the decision to watch it with my son or not.
00:33:32Guest:And I decided, oh, no, this is a no go because it was trading in the most like bargain basement 80s sitcom gender roles that were hugely inappropriate in the year 2021 or whenever it was that I was thinking to watch this with my son.
00:33:50Guest:not because they were like a horrible conversation that we were going to have after, but it was like, yeah, like men shouldn't talk to women that way.
00:33:59Guest:And women aren't just boobs.
00:34:02Guest:And, you know, but these, but all these things that were, would be at home on like perfect strangers or growing pains or something like that in the eighties, rival the three's company style jokes, you know,
00:34:14Guest:We're not going to cut it for me where I'm like, yeah, this kid now goes to school and has to deal with people of all sorts of identities.
00:34:24Guest:And these are not the right modeling circumstances I want him to be dealing with.
00:34:29Guest:If he's interested in seeing the movie Clue when he gets a little older and he understands all that stuff, great.
00:34:34Guest:And he can get like, yeah, in the 80s, the gender politics were shitty.
00:34:40Guest:Like, let's not pretend they weren't.
00:34:43Guest:And so, yeah, I've held off.
00:34:45Guest:On a lot of like the stuff from our youth that like, hey, the Goonies, is that still fine?
00:34:50Guest:Absolutely.
00:34:50Guest:It was made for kids then.
00:34:52Guest:It still kind of works for kids now.
00:34:53Guest:You can kind of skirt around any 80s stuff that that doesn't pertain to today's time and place.
00:34:59Guest:But I would just kind of like warn on the idea of like, let's watch the stuff from our youth because like there's plenty of stuff from now that works fine.
00:35:08Guest:And they're good movies.
00:35:10Guest:Do you see Mitchell's versus the machines with your kid yet?
00:35:13Guest:If not, you should watch that because it's fucking awesome.
00:35:17Guest:Or the Lego movie or Lego Batman movie.
00:35:19Guest:These are great.
00:35:21Guest:Most of the Pixar things.
00:35:23Guest:And I get it.
00:35:23Guest:You don't want to watch cartoons.
00:35:24Guest:You don't want to watch little kid stuff like that.
00:35:27Guest:That's fine.
00:35:28Guest:There's a ton of things that your kid is going to point you toward.
00:35:35Guest:That they'll say, like, I'm interested in this person.
00:35:38Guest:And you go like, oh, you know, Tom Holland or whatever.
00:35:40Guest:And then you wind up watching that one with Tom Holland and Mark Wahlberg, you know, like, and the kid loves it.
00:35:46Guest:Uncharted or the Jumanji movies or whatever.
00:35:49Guest:Uncharted was good.
00:35:50Guest:Yeah, right.
00:35:51Guest:Like, that's what I'm saying.
00:35:52Guest:Be open to those things.
00:35:53Guest:Don't be so tied to nostalgia with this stuff.
00:35:56Marc:Yeah, that's a good point.
00:35:59Marc:Yeah.
00:35:59Marc:I remember Just One of the Boys is a movie that probably doesn't, does not, I would not want to watch that again.
00:36:06Marc:No.
00:36:07Marc:Yeah, for sure.
00:36:09Guest:Just One of the Guys.
00:36:11Marc:Yeah.
00:36:11Marc:Is that what I said?
00:36:12Marc:Is that not what I said?
00:36:12Guest:Just One of the Boys.
00:36:13Marc:Oh, I'm sorry, yeah.
00:36:14Marc:But Just One of the Guys.
00:36:15Marc:Yeah.
00:36:16Marc:Yeah.
00:36:17Marc:Overboard.
00:36:18Marc:Like that's just bizarre.
00:36:22Guest:Oh, well, like all those John Hughes movies are really troublesome.
00:36:26Guest:Like 16 Candles, Jesus.
00:36:29Marc:Yeah.
00:36:30Guest:All the long duck dong stuff.
00:36:32Guest:And it's like, you know,
00:36:34Guest:It's almost embarrassing.
00:36:36Guest:Even vacation.
00:36:38Guest:Vacation has... I would think... If you ask me, are there problematic things in vacation?
00:36:48Guest:My brain would tell me, oh, there's probably a lot of sexism in it.
00:36:51Guest:There was all the Christie Brinkley stuff.
00:36:53Guest:On a rewatch of it, that stuff actually comes across fairly well thought out in terms of clearly portraying Clark as a goof.
00:37:00Guest:But...
00:37:01Guest:it's the stuff like when they drive into the black community and they're like, it's all these stereotypes and stuff.
00:37:06Guest:It's like, how did they get away with this?
00:37:08Guest:Or he makes the black cop roll around like a dog at the Wally world.
00:37:12Guest:Like people should be embarrassed.
00:37:15Guest:These are movies that still get like talked about today with like a loving embrace.
00:37:20Guest:Those are embarrassing jokes.
00:37:21Guest:Yeah.
00:37:23Marc:Yeah.
00:37:23Marc:But would you, do you think a 13 year old is too young for raising Arizona?
00:37:29Guest:No, no, definitely not.
00:37:31Guest:No, no, no.
00:37:32Guest:We watched, I just thought my son was a little too young for the full film.
00:37:38Guest:Like at the time where I was showing it to him, he was maybe like eight or seven or eight or something.
00:37:44Guest:And I knew like, he's not going to follow a whole narrative like this, but I wanted him to watch the beginning of,
00:37:51Guest:Nicolas Cage getting the babies out of the crib.
00:37:53Guest:I wanted him to watch the chase scene through the convenience store.
00:37:56Guest:And we watched those scenes.
00:37:57Guest:Same with like the Blues Brothers watching the car race through the mall and everything.
00:38:02Guest:Like we've done individual scenes of things.
00:38:05Guest:By the way, Casey, the Blues Brothers would be definitely one for your nine-year-old kid.
00:38:11Guest:That absolutely can work.
00:38:13Marc:So I Married an Axe Murder, one of my favorites as a kid.
00:38:16Marc:Ooh, that's good.
00:38:18Marc:That's a good comedy, light horror tinge to it.
00:38:22Marc:Absolutely.
00:38:23Marc:I would say, I mean, it doesn't have horror in it, but I mean, just one of my favorite movies as a kid, it was My Blue Heaven.
00:38:29Marc:Oh yeah, totally.
00:38:30Guest:Yeah.
00:38:31Guest:If your kid's okay with a few F-bombs, then that one is absolutely okay.
00:38:36Guest:Who's not okay with a few F-bombs?
00:38:38Marc:Come on.
00:38:39Marc:My son.
00:38:39Marc:I've told you this before.
00:38:41Marc:Too Many Pods with Chris.
00:38:44Guest:Yep.
00:38:45Marc:I gotcha.
00:38:46Marc:I gotcha.
00:38:47Marc:Yeah, those are some great... And you know what's funny?
00:38:50Marc:A movie like Mannequin or Splash, those movies just would not really play anymore to the modern sensibilities.
00:38:59Guest:That's true.
00:39:00Guest:I mean, like Splash is up there on Disney Plus of all places.
00:39:03Guest:And yeah, I've had the same thought.
00:39:05Guest:I'm like, we're not watching Splash.
00:39:07Guest:Right.
00:39:08Guest:These like, you know, I Dream of Jeannie type scenarios where you get this like dream woman to do whatever you want, like weird science or something like that.
00:39:16Guest:It's like, yeah, okay.
00:39:18Marc:Yeah.
00:39:18Marc:Take it easy there.
00:39:19Marc:I was never a weird science guy.
00:39:21Marc:I was a real genius fan.
00:39:23Marc:Oh, that's good.
00:39:24Marc:Real genius is good.
00:39:25Marc:Yeah.
00:39:26Marc:I love that movie.
00:39:27Marc:I used to watch that all the time.
00:39:28Marc:I always wanted to make my house just full of popcorn.
00:39:32Marc:So it was a real dream of mine for that to come true.
00:39:36Guest:All right.
00:39:37Guest:Well, Casey, if we think of any other things, we'll say them in a future episode.
00:39:42Guest:But hopefully that's enough food for thought right now.
00:39:45Guest:And, you know, if anybody else has any suggestions they want us to offer up here, just go to the comments section.
00:39:53Guest:Put in the movies you think this random nine-year-old should watch.
00:39:58All right.
00:39:59Marc:Also, can I just say, so he had his child see Jaws, which is awesome.
00:40:05Marc:I just saw on Broadway, The Shark is Broken.
00:40:09Marc:Oh, yeah.
00:40:10Marc:And you liked it?
00:40:10Marc:I really did.
00:40:11Marc:Oh, cool.
00:40:12Marc:I thought it was really fun.
00:40:14Marc:It's like 90 minutes long with no intermission.
00:40:16Marc:I mean, that's a dream.
00:40:17Marc:Yes.
00:40:18Marc:For a play, that's all I have the time for.
00:40:21Marc:But yeah, really great.
00:40:23Marc:And you know who is playing Robert Shaw in the play?
00:40:27Marc:Young Shaw, like his son.
00:40:29Marc:Yeah, his son.
00:40:29Marc:He looks exactly like him.
00:40:30Marc:Yeah, his son, who is now the age that Robert Shaw was when he made Jaws.
00:40:36Marc:So it's just wild.
00:40:39Guest:And I guess the premise is it's like it's the three actors.
00:40:42Guest:It's someone playing all three actors, Shaw, Scheider, and Dreyfus, sitting around waiting for the film to be shot because there were all these problems on it.
00:40:51Marc:Yes.
00:40:51Marc:Yeah.
00:40:52Marc:And it's really fun.
00:40:53Marc:It's funny.
00:40:54Marc:There's a little too many, like...
00:40:56Marc:proclamations of like things to come for uh for movies but besides that delightful just a delightful 90 minute time it's like it's like hanging out with you and uh and uh our buddy kevin uh and talking about jaws uh uh trivia so it's which we do very often so often so often man i feel like a third wheel every single time well then you're hooper yes
00:41:24Guest:I should say that Casey also mentioned this at the end of the comment that was sent in.
00:41:31Guest:I listen on Pocket Casts and just listen to the feed in the order that they are dropped, meaning the bonus episodes.
00:41:38Guest:When there are special episodes like producer cuts, I usually hear the promos for them on the next episode.
00:41:43Guest:So I'm hearing the teasers for the bonus content that I just heard.
00:41:46Guest:I wanted to pass that along to you.
00:41:49Guest:And Casey, unfortunately, you are a victim of your completionist
00:41:54Guest:impulses because that is by design.
00:41:58Guest:What basically we want to do is on the week when we've released something, when it's already been released, we want to have like a teaser of that in the show so that people who either aren't subscribed or are subscribed to the Full Marin but haven't listened to that yet can
00:42:16Guest:can, you know, pick it up and go, oh, hey, you know, I should get a subscription or I should remember to listen to that episode that's already posted.
00:42:23Guest:You know, there's a lot of content out there.
00:42:25Guest:Not a lot of people are going to listen to every single thing.
00:42:28Guest:Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:42:29Guest:So it just serves as a reminder once the thing has already been posted.
00:42:33Guest:And yes, because you listen everything right away, you are going to wind up hearing that little clip twice.
00:42:39Guest:And hopefully that explains it.
00:42:42Guest:It probably won't change it.
00:42:44Guest:But there you go.
00:42:46Guest:I should move quickly here because we are kind of short on time today to basically what I wanted to do with wrestling was just answer a couple of wrestling questions that were in the mailbox here.
00:42:56Guest:And the first one was just someone saying if we would do anything about Terry Funk, I think a full episode.
00:43:04Guest:And maybe that's something we could do in the future where we could watch some Terry Funk stuff.
00:43:08Guest:But I would just say for Terry Funk, who just passed.
00:43:11Guest:If people are interested in learning about Terry Funk or... I'm one of them.
00:43:17Guest:Yeah, if you want to know more about Terry Funk, I think one of the best places to start is Mick Foley's first book.
00:43:24Guest:It's called Have a Nice Day.
00:43:27Guest:And it was basically the first big wrestling book written by a wrestler.
00:43:32Guest:And it was a New York Times bestseller.
00:43:34Guest:And Mick is one of Terry Funk's biggest fans and friends.
00:43:39Guest:And he writes very lovingly about him.
00:43:41Guest:And one of the things that's great about Terry Funk was he was never in his entire career one of these it was better back in my day kind of guys.
00:43:51Guest:Terry Funk was always looking forward.
00:43:54Guest:He basically is the person who you could draw a direct line and say he introduced...
00:44:00Guest:a lot of Japanese wrestling to America.
00:44:02Guest:He almost certainly introduced Japanese women's wrestling to America in the sense that he was telling Dave Meltzer directly, you have to go to Japan and watch these women in all Japan wrestling.
00:44:15Guest:And Dave was being told by everyone, what are you doing?
00:44:18Guest:That is for 12-year-old girls.
00:44:20Guest:That is not the men's sport.
00:44:22Guest:That is not anything anyone other than children will be interested in.
00:44:26Guest:And Dave went on the...
00:44:28Guest:on the advice of Terry Funk and said, this is the best wrestler in his newsletter said, this is the best wrestling in the world right now.
00:44:34Guest:This was like, you know, stuff we talked about on previous shows, Manami Toyota and, uh, Kyoko Inoue and a lot of the women's wrestling in all Japan, which was just the best.
00:44:44Guest:And, uh, and, and it really shined a light on it.
00:44:47Guest:Really, uh,
00:44:47Guest:He advanced the sport in a lot of ways.
00:44:51Guest:He did the same thing with Sabu.
00:44:52Guest:He was early on that train saying, this guy, you got to watch him.
00:44:57Guest:And Sabu basically popularized a lot of hardcore wrestling as you see it today.
00:45:02Guest:Table breaks.
00:45:03Guest:That absolutely came from Sabu and Terry Funk insisting that he work with the guy.
00:45:08Guest:ECW came from a lot of its success was Terry Funk's largesse.
00:45:15Guest:So the influence of Terry Funk is writ large through wrestling.
00:45:19Guest:It will be felt for a very long time.
00:45:21Guest:And, you know, by all accounts, when you just read things like Mick Foley's books, etc.,
00:45:27Guest:It just seems like he was a genuinely nice dude.
00:45:29Guest:You know, I can't speak directly to his character, but really it feels that way for most people who talk about him.
00:45:36Guest:A selfless guy, a guy who loved wrestling and just wanted it to be better all the time and did not want it to be just resting in a nostalgic place or a place where he was successful in it.
00:45:48Guest:He was always looking to advance it.
00:45:50Guest:So that's my little eulogy for Terry Funk.
00:45:53Guest:And if you get a chance to watch one Terry Funk match over the course of the next week, or any time, really, Terry Funk versus Ric Flair in the I Quit match from the Clash of the Champions, I believe 1989, really one of the greats of all time.
00:46:11Guest:And yes, Terry Funk will be missed, but his legacy lives on.
00:46:15Guest:Legacy in a lot of guys, especially guys like Eddie Kingston, who are wrestling today, draw a lot of influence from Terry Funk.
00:46:23Guest:One other thing I want to bring up based on somebody's question here.
00:46:27Guest:They said, I'm curious about your opinions on CM Punk's termination from AEW.
00:46:34Guest:And someone, but it's funny.
00:46:35Guest:We also got this comment.
00:46:36Guest:Someone saying, what's all the drama around CM Punk?
00:46:40Guest:You guys briefly mentioned something pertaining to him a few weeks ago, but I've got no idea what's happening in the real world or storyline.
00:46:47Guest:And I think that's important.
00:46:48Guest:That's an important thing for the first question.
00:46:50Guest:right?
00:46:51Guest:This person who said, I'm curious about your opinions on CM Punk's termination.
00:46:54Guest:Well, here's the deal.
00:46:56Guest:I don't really know much of what's going on.
00:46:59Guest:I know what gets talked about on the internet.
00:47:01Guest:I know what gets leaked to the press or what people who say they've spoken to people believe.
00:47:06Guest:But what we really know is that CM Punk, who is an immensely talented guy, one of the true charismatic, can't take your eyes off him people in wrestling over the last 20 years, and a person with a devoted fan base and a lot of reasons to want to watch him,
00:47:24Guest:he also has a reputation for not getting along with people.
00:47:28Guest:And he came into AEW in 2021.
00:47:32Guest:He reignited a passion a lot of people had for wrestling.
00:47:37Guest:I was thrilled he was there.
00:47:38Guest:I'm a fan of CM Punk's going way back.
00:47:42Guest:I introduced him to Mark.
00:47:43Guest:I made it so that...
00:47:47Guest:There was an episode of Mark's show, Marin, where it was supposed to be Joe Rogan in the episode.
00:47:52Guest:And Rogan passed on doing it.
00:47:54Guest:And I said to Mark, why don't you get CM Punk and Colt Cabana to play the parts that were supposed to be Joe and his partner?
00:48:01Guest:And they did.
00:48:01Guest:And like, look...
00:48:03Guest:I loved CM Punk's career.
00:48:07Guest:If his career is over now, he's been fired from AEW.
00:48:10Guest:That's sad.
00:48:11Guest:But also, it seems like things were not going well for him or for others.
00:48:17Guest:And this parting of ways is probably absolutely for the best.
00:48:21Guest:I don't know, like, Chris, I don't know if you have anything else you wanted to say about it, your thoughts about it.
00:48:25Guest:To me, I'm like, this doesn't concern me about what went on behind the scenes, but what it definitely seems like is that it's for the best, and I'm happy to have the existence of CM Punk's career in my head with the current, present, and future of AEW separate from that, and I don't need them to coexist.
00:48:45Marc:Yeah, agreed.
00:48:47Marc:I don't know what to say about it.
00:48:50Marc:I'm kind of glad it's over.
00:48:52Marc:You know, I just don't think either party was happy.
00:48:58Marc:So I just, you know, I'd rather them not be, you know, I'd rather this time be gone from like all the internet rumors.
00:49:06Marc:And I'm new to like...
00:49:08Marc:You know, reading wrestling internet stuff.
00:49:11Marc:And I got to say, it is exhausting.
00:49:13Marc:Yeah.
00:49:13Marc:And I kind of want to stop now.
00:49:15Marc:Yeah.
00:49:16Marc:You got to be like that other person who's like, what's all this stuff?
00:49:19Marc:Yes.
00:49:19Guest:Like, yeah, you know what?
00:49:20Guest:Enjoy the show.
00:49:21Guest:Yeah, exactly.
00:49:22Guest:The show is there for you.
00:49:23Marc:Yeah.
00:49:23Marc:There's apparently just rumors and gossip.
00:49:27Marc:I don't really care about it.
00:49:29Marc:I care that he's no longer there, and I think everyone is happy, him included probably, that these two things are no longer together.
00:49:41Marc:So I really don't have anything more to say about it.
00:49:45Marc:I'm just happy to move on.
00:49:47Guest:Yeah.
00:49:47Guest:Yeah.
00:49:48Guest:Same here.
00:49:49Guest:And if that's not a satisfying answer, I apologize.
00:49:51Guest:But it's our honest answer on that.
00:49:54Guest:Our other honest thing that we try to do every week here is the best thing in wrestling.
00:50:00Guest:And there's been a lot of wrestling.
00:50:01Guest:So could you narrow it down, Chris?
00:50:03Guest:Have you been able to come up with a best thing in wrestling this past week?
00:50:06Marc:Can I guess what yours is?
00:50:07Marc:Because you're a sicko.
00:50:09Marc:Is it, is it the, the, uh, strap match with, uh, Oh, thank God.
00:50:15Guest:Cause that was not the best thing.
00:50:16Guest:It was great, but it was not the best thing.
00:50:20Guest:This, this strap match at AEW's all out with Brian Danielson and Ricky Starks that, uh, should have been illegal.
00:50:26Guest:They, they, they were committing crimes.
00:50:28Marc:What in the world, by the way, when people say, oh, wrestling's fake.
00:50:32Marc:Just put that on.
00:50:34Marc:Because that was like, I don't know how Ricky got, you know, started to bleed.
00:50:40Marc:Because I'm pretty sure it's from him getting hit in the face with the strap.
00:50:45Marc:And that is frightening to me.
00:50:47Guest:Yeah, I went back and rewatched it.
00:50:48Guest:I think he did a very dexterous blade job somehow.
00:50:53Marc:Really?
00:50:53Marc:I can't tell you how.
00:50:55Marc:Goddamn, that is, I mean, that's magic right there.
00:50:59Marc:Yeah, no, that wasn't my favorite.
00:51:01Marc:My favorite is Orange Cassidy, Jon Moxley for the international championship.
00:51:09Marc:That was poetic and beautiful and just the best thing I've seen in wrestling this week.
00:51:16Guest:Well, that was from the same show, and that show had, I would say, five classic matches.
00:51:22Guest:And that one and the strap match were not my favorite matches on the show, even though I thought they were among the best matches you'll see all year.
00:51:29Guest:My favorite on that show was the Kenny Omega and Konosuke Takeshi match, which I thought was art.
00:51:35Guest:To me, that was an artful match.
00:51:37Guest:Like, that was like...
00:51:38Guest:two painters doing a match.
00:51:42Guest:And it was beautiful.
00:51:43Guest:It was a thing of beauty.
00:51:44Guest:However, because that show, like everything kind of was great and it was like match after match.
00:51:51Guest:They were all great.
00:51:52Guest:To me, I could call any one of them the best thing in wrestling because they were great matches.
00:51:57Guest:But my personal...
00:51:59Guest:Feeling of the best thing that I saw this week that made me feel the most emotion and it kind of was a transcendent moment was watching Orange Cassidy both nights at the AEW All Out All Out pay-per-view and then on Dynamite this past Wednesday.
00:52:18Guest:stand up in the ring, once was after his match as he was all bloody and exhausted, and have the crowd say, thank you, Orange, and you deserve it.
00:52:30Guest:And when he came out on Wednesday on Dynamite at the beginning of the show, have them say the same thing and freshly squeezed and give him a standing ovation both times.
00:52:40Guest:That to me was like, I love...
00:52:44Guest:When the audience is appreciative of the performer, not because of one match or one promo or anything, they're basically saying to this guy, you have delivered for us over a long period of time and we are appreciative of you.
00:53:00Guest:Yes, a year's worth of time.
00:53:03Guest:And this is a guy who people all over the industry, the wrestling world, the internet, everything said, this is a gimmick that won't work.
00:53:12Guest:He's hurting wrestling.
00:53:13Guest:He makes a mockery of it.
00:53:15Guest:And he has done nothing but deliver at the top level of the profession.
00:53:20Guest:And he did it for a year.
00:53:21Guest:And I felt so, so, so, so good.
00:53:24Guest:To see people stand on their feet and give this guy a round of applause, a guy who never would have been taken to WWE.
00:53:31Guest:He definitely wouldn't have been able to keep that gimmick.
00:53:33Guest:And he made that gimmick work, this gimmick of this slacker guy who doesn't try, but he slowly learns that he feels pride in trying.
00:53:41Guest:And man, it turned into this great story.
00:53:43Guest:And now he's a main eventer.
00:53:44Guest:He will main event pay-per-views going forward.
00:53:47Guest:He is at the top of the profession.
00:53:51Guest:Congratulations to him and everyone who had faith in keeping him at the top of the card.
00:53:56Guest:It was a great call, and I was thrilled to see the audience reaction to him.
00:54:01Marc:And his I mean, he delivered a great promo, you know, him saying at the end, my name is Orange Cassidy and I do not have a catchphrase.
00:54:10Marc:Which, by the way, he is getting over as a catchphrase.
00:54:13Guest:The audience was chanting that along with him.
00:54:16Guest:That's just you need if you need one thing to point how that guy is making it work.
00:54:22Guest:It's that.
00:54:22Marc:Yeah, just really, really great storytelling and just really great charisma on that guy.
00:54:30Marc:Like, goddamn, that is great stuff.
00:54:33Guest:Well, you know, if you have anything else that you've been watching wrestling-wise you want us to talk about, you can send that in to us in the comments section.
00:54:40Guest:There's a link there for you.
00:54:42Guest:We're going to cap it at that today, but I know we still have our suggestion to watch the
00:54:48Guest:TNA Wrestling Turning Point pay-per-view.
00:54:52Guest:We will do that in the coming weeks, as well as taking any of your other suggestions and comments.
00:54:57Guest:We thought we'd do a mailbag episode here, but I still have plenty of stuff that I didn't even get to.
00:55:02Guest:So keep them coming.
00:55:04Guest:I will dip back into this when we can.
00:55:07Guest:And until then, I'm Brendan, and that's Chris.
00:55:10Peace!

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