BONUS Producer Cuts - Michael Symon, Hannah Einbinder, Gary Gulman, LeVar Burton and more from October
Guest:Hey, Full Marin listeners, it's Brendan, the producer of WTF, and it's the end of October, which means it's time for another round of producer cuts.
Guest:These are the things I felt I had to cut out of WTF for various reasons, which I will tell you about right now as you get to hear them.
Guest:You're the only ones who get to hear them because you are smart enough to have a Full Marin subscription.
Guest:So these are all the producer cuts from the month of September, and we're going to go back to the beginning of the month and hear this clip from the episode with Michael Simon.
Guest:And I cut this out just to the middle of the conversation.
Guest:There was a point where Mark started talking about a lot of chefs by their first name, Alex Guernicelli, Amanda Freitag.
Guest:It would have been a little alienating to someone who knew nothing about the chefs.
Guest:If you're listening to this and you've been a fan for a long time, you might know that a lot of these people have been on the show before or know just about the kind of interest Mark has in chefs and restaurants.
Guest:And so that might make it a little more accessible.
Guest:But I just thought, in general, it was something that should come out of the main episode, but no reason why people shouldn't be able to hear it.
Marc:And what about, like, what about some, like, Amanda and Alex and those, you know, some of the women?
Guest:Alex is very, I think, French-driven.
Guest:Like, that's what she came up in, you know, Danielle.
Guest:And even though she's Italian, I feel her food is more intuitively French.
Guest:I eat it, Danielle.
Guest:It takes a long time to eat there.
Marc:It does take a long time, yes.
Marc:It does.
Marc:Do you know that guy?
Guest:Very well.
Marc:And, like, he's just a classic French guy?
Guest:Classic French, but creative.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, Jean-Georges, you know,
Guest:You know, those guys are masters.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They're masters.
Guest:I mean, John George is... John George has so many different restaurants.
Guest:Was that Anthony's guy?
Guest:Anthony... No, Anthony is Eric Repair.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:The master of fish.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:He's a dear friend and also incredible.
Guest:I mean, John George blows my mind because he does everything from French to... Like, every...
Guest:He cooks in so many genres and they're all like you think, oh, well, he's French.
Guest:This isn't going to be as good and it's delicious.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He just nails everything he does.
Marc:You know, what about some of these Asian guys?
Marc:David Chang.
Guest:Incredibly talented.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You know, Esther Choi.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Really talented with Korean food.
Guest:I mean, like there's just so many great chefs now.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But it's so funny you come up with a generation, and I imagine someone new comes on the scene like, oh, who's this guy?
Marc:They're bringing it.
Guest:Yeah, right?
Marc:They're bringing the heat, you know?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But it seems to me like, I don't know, like Indian food too?
Guest:Yeah, I love it.
Guest:I don't know a lot of – again, like if someone told me to cook it for him, I would struggle, but I love to eat it.
Guest:I eat it all the time.
Marc:It's interesting to me like these different – like we all grew up with a certain –
Guest:similarity but when you get into sort of the deep indian stuff it's like oh my god yeah just immersed in spices yeah flavor and a lot of live fire too you know and it's been around forever yeah yeah okay this is from mark's monologue on september 7th and it was really just edited for time it's uh something he's talking about related to hiking up the mountain near his house uh it's fine for you to hear but when i was looking for time to cut things down this was the first thing that had to go i
Marc:I hiked up the mountain today.
Marc:I didn't pass out.
Marc:I didn't feel great, but I didn't pass out.
Marc:I went up with my buddy, Dan, a couple of old guys.
Marc:I'm older.
Marc:I'm going to be 60 in a few weeks.
Marc:He's in his 50s still, that youngster.
Marc:But we run down that fucking hill.
Marc:We risk our lives, our elbows, our knees, our heads.
Marc:And we're just running down that thing and we've been doing it for years.
Marc:And it's not safe.
Marc:But I'll tell you, man, the last couple of times, it's just been, whoa, I'm the entire way down.
Marc:I'm like, oh, God.
Marc:Oh, God.
Marc:Whoa.
Marc:Because you got to tighten up.
Marc:You got to pay attention.
Marc:You're totally engaged.
Marc:And when you're running down a gravelly descent.
Marc:You know, I mean, at least it's gravelly and it's at least it's at an angle.
Marc:It's not just a full free fall or anything.
Marc:But and I'm not wearing any safety ropes or wings, but we're going, man.
Marc:And today I was like this was yesterday.
Marc:Actually, if you're listening on Thursday here, I said to him, I said, when are we going to not do this?
Marc:Because it's crazy.
Marc:And Dan very concisely said, yeah, but it's so fun.
Marc:And I'm like, yep, you're alive, man.
Marc:We're alive.
Marc:We're in it.
Marc:Every step could be the last one before you tumble into a scraped up mess.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:So I guess, you know, I survived it, but I am nervous.
Marc:I do get nervous.
Marc:Not about passing out again as much as the tumble, you know, because I guess you get to a certain age, I guess any age where you start pushing the envelope exercise wise and you don't want to pop or break or sprain or dislocate something that could stop you in your tracks, right?
Marc:and disable you temporarily so you can't engage.
Marc:And then you just end up sitting around watching stuff with a propped leg, a propped arm, a propped neck in a hospital bed, watching stuff on your computer, on your phone, just Instagram reel after Instagram reel, eating pudding, eating Jell-O, eating carbs until you just sort of, you know, become the couch.
Marc:You just kind of symbiotic eyes.
Marc:You just create a symbiotic relationship with the with the chair of your choice that is now using you to feed it.
Marc:And one of its legs is fucked up or arms or neck or head.
Marc:I guess I went too far with that, but you know what I'm saying?
Marc:Got to be careful out there, people.
Guest:Okay, and another time situation.
Guest:This is going back to the September 14th episode, right before Mark was headed to St.
Guest:Louis for a weekend.
Guest:And you'll hear him talk a little bit about St.
Guest:Louis.
Guest:I wound up cutting this out.
Guest:I always kind of get a little signal from Mark himself.
Guest:When I'm looking to cut something out, if I hear him say something like, I'm just rambling here, or as he says at the end of this little stretch, well, none of this really matters.
Guest:And you know what that tells me?
Guest:That tells me it's expendable.
Guest:And if I am looking for a place to cut things for time, this is an OK place to do it.
Guest:And I wanted you to hear this because then it leads into some stuff I cut out of the next episode, which was also related to his trip in St.
Guest:Louis.
Guest:So this was from September 14th, right before he left.
Marc:So, yeah, I'm going to be in St.
Marc:Louis tonight.
Marc:And now this whole vegan thing adds a whole other layer of panic.
Marc:In traveling, because you have to sort of figure out, like, where can I eat?
Marc:That's going to be a full meal and not just some sort of like cobbling together something from a menu that doesn't give a fuck about vegan options.
Marc:I mean, look, it's doable.
Marc:And it's not something I really need to complain about, but I'm locked in.
Marc:So half of my anxiety when I travel now, none of it is about flying.
Marc:None of it is about actually the travel itself.
Marc:Usually when I get someplace, I'm happy to be there.
Marc:I know that in St.
Marc:Louis, the woman from...
Marc:Clementine's ice cream, that artisanal ice cream, she reached out to me and she's like, well, you know, we've got all these great, you know, new vegan flavors and a new manufacturing plant.
Marc:And, you know, and it's, uh,
Marc:You know, so I know I could eat ice cream for all the meals.
Marc:I know she's got me covered with ice cream.
Marc:And that sounded different than what I wanted to.
Marc:But like if I have to only eat vegan ice cream, that'll have to be maybe just vegan ice cream.
Marc:Maybe a plate of greens with some rice and some vegan ice cream as the protein.
Marc:That'll work, right?
Yeah.
Marc:And also in St.
Marc:Louis, Euclid Records, one of the greatest record stores, going to go there.
Marc:That guy reached out to me.
Marc:He's like, you were here last time.
Marc:Remember I sent your records to you by the mail?
Marc:And I'm like, okay, good memory.
Marc:I'll be there knowing that you will send them.
Marc:Nothing better than shopping for records, knowing that I don't have to carry them.
Marc:And this place has thousands of records, but old records.
Marc:You know, you go to a lot of these record stores and they've got a lot of reissues, but this place is like the real shit, man.
Marc:Just hundreds and hundreds of old, weird records.
Marc:And the jazz section upstairs is crazy.
Marc:I see.
Marc:I'm getting excited, but I still don't know what I'm going to eat for the most part.
Marc:I know there's, I think there's a couple of good vegan places, but you know, at night, what are you going to do?
Marc:I've just got this system where I go, I'll go the whole foods.
Marc:I'll get like, you know, I'll get, I got to bring some protein powder, but do vitamins even work?
Marc:I, you know, I I've talked to, it doesn't matter.
Marc:None of this matters.
Marc:All right.
Marc:This is just what I do.
Marc:This is my process.
Marc:This is how I do it.
Guest:Also from that episode, here is something I cut out of the interview with Hannah Einbinder.
Guest:This is a story he did at length when he was doing his monologue about his new haircut.
Guest:And I felt it would be repetitive to have more haircut stuff back in there.
Guest:But I did like this kind of short back and forth with Hannah where they talk about not only this new, very expensive haircut that Mark got, but Mark's haircuts in general.
Marc:By the way, I don't want to drop names, but I need to do something about my hair.
Marc:And the only person I thought to text was Anthony Jeselnik.
Guest:Why?
Guest:Is he growing it out?
Marc:Have you ever seen his hair?
Marc:That guy is like a stylish motherfucker.
Guest:Is he?
Marc:No, he's not growing it out.
Marc:But I just sort of like I said, hey, man, it's Marin.
Marc:You seem like the kind of person that would have a good hairstylist.
Guest:Wow.
Marc:And he does.
Marc:It just got back to me.
Guest:And?
Marc:We'll see what happens.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:I think I'm done with this sort of— What are you looking to do?
Guest:You got kind of my haircut a little bit.
Marc:Yeah, but like, you know, what I see in the mirror and what I see in pictures are two very different things.
Marc:And it's, you know— Well, which do you prefer?
Marc:I prefer what I see in the mirror, but I'm just saying that my hair is getting a little kind of wild old Jewish man.
Guest:And by the way, what could be wrong with that?
Guest:Not much.
Marc:Not much.
Marc:I just should tighten it up a little bit.
Guest:Would you mind moving the headphones?
Guest:I need to get a clearer picture of...
Marc:Well, now I've got it back.
Marc:So here are the options.
Marc:I can either, like I put stuff in it now because it's very stringy and it goes out on the sides, the gray parts.
Marc:So if I put the stuff in, I can push it back.
Marc:But I'm leaning towards getting a shorter haircut or just using a thicker pomade and just having that weird kind of like slightly greasy looking thing that goes like this.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Do you like it?
Guest:I think you could stand to lose maybe a couple inches.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I think it should be long.
Guest:I think your hair should be long.
Guest:All right, all right, okay.
Guest:You know.
Guest:Okay, now for the episode from September 18th, there was a lot I had to cut for time because of the Gary Goldman interview.
Guest:Mark and Gary talked for, you know, well over 90 minutes.
Guest:Most of it made it intact into the episode.
Guest:But, you know, there was a lot of stuff in this episode
Guest:intro that I felt when I'm looking to cut for time, I could go to the stuff in the intro, particularly like stuff about the record store that he talks about, which I had already cut from the last episode.
Guest:And so this monologue, mainly about St.
Guest:Louis and Mark's trip to St.
Guest:Louis, wound up getting cut for time because of the very lengthy Gary Goldman interview that was coming up.
Marc:As I said before, I get nervous.
Marc:Before I travel, but for some reason, I get it.
Marc:You know, if you have enough conversations with people about the state of the country in general, the politics of certain states, it's easy to get creeped out.
Marc:And the denizens of certain states, not all of them, but many in certain states, not great, bit scary.
Marc:And for some reason, I've got Missouri in that column.
Marc:in general because they've got that senator josh holly that dork fascist so many dork fascists it's just like is fascism uh uh a refuge for dorks ron de santis one of the great dork fascists josh holly amazing dork fascist
Marc:Where are their strongmen?
Marc:How come they're all fucking dorks?
Marc:Donald Trump is like king dork.
Marc:Very dangerous dorks.
Marc:And I imagine somewhat of the dork energy and why they have it is the reason why we're all paying for it.
Marc:But nonetheless, Missouri is a pretty state.
Marc:And I just get nervous.
Marc:And I didn't realize until a week before I went that it was Rosh Hashanah.
Marc:Rosh Hashanah weekend, Jewish New Year.
Marc:So in my grandiose inversion of self-importance, why not consider some whack job coming in from the sticks in Missouri to get his trophy, to take down a Jew talking in front of people for Rosh Hashanah.
Marc:Take him out.
Marc:I think that portraying Alan Berg in that movie has tweaked my head.
Marc:But my head's been tweaked before.
Marc:But then I get to St.
Marc:Louis and I'm like, holy shit.
Marc:I've been here.
Marc:I know this place.
Marc:I enjoy this city.
Marc:And I did.
Marc:I enjoyed it.
Marc:The hotel was very nice.
Marc:I stayed at the Le Meridian.
Marc:You know, it hurts.
Marc:I'm in the president circle, whatever that means.
Marc:But I don't know if it's a good thing.
Marc:Sounds like it should be a good thing.
Marc:But there's a whole bunch of cars in a row.
Marc:They're president circle cars.
Marc:You can take whatever one you want.
Marc:That's not why I rent a car.
Marc:I picked it on the website.
Marc:Just give me the one I picked.
Marc:Now I got to look around.
Marc:Too many SUVs.
Marc:I ended up in a black convertible Mustang, which I don't usually rent.
Marc:But got to admit, kind of fun.
Marc:Even took the top down for a few.
Marc:But St.
Marc:Louis, I have friends there.
Marc:I did a lot of stuff.
Marc:I mean, nothing that cultural, kind of.
Marc:Because it's one of these rare places.
Marc:A lot of these used record stores... Used, that's old school.
Marc:A lot of these record stores do not have a good selection of old records.
Marc:But Euclid is just fucking...
Marc:Shit ton of old records, old, weird records, records you never heard of some little just in the stacks, not even under a name, not even under a placard or whatever you call it, not a placard, you know, a separator, a divider with a name on it.
Marc:And like, oddly, I'm just excited.
Marc:I found the third Only Ones record.
Marc:I have the first one.
Marc:And now, of course, I'm hung up.
Marc:I got to get the middle one.
Marc:And I'm probably going to go to Discogs for that.
Marc:And also, I decided it's high time I dig in and understand and love the first five Leon Russell records.
Marc:So I got three of those.
Marc:And I bought a Killing Joke compilation of all their singles.
Marc:That was expensive.
Marc:I got a Faust record.
Marc:I got a John Hassel record.
Marc:I really mixed it up.
Marc:I don't think I bought the Residents albums, but there was a lot more records that I can't remember now.
Marc:But I was pretty thrilled about the Leon Russells and over the top excited about the Only Ones.
Marc:I bought a Cannonball Adderley, but that was only because Steve took me downstairs into the vaults.
Marc:I couldn't even get up to jazz.
Marc:There's an entire floor of thousands of jazz records, and I would not have had any energy for the shows had I done that.
Marc:But all in all, very satisfying.
Marc:There was some sort of blues festival going on out there right outside where the record store was in St.
Marc:Louis.
Marc:And I just drove around, went to the Walgreens.
Marc:I had a weird moment with, I was driving the radio because people who listen to this show, you know that I enjoy going to Walgreens, especially on the road.
Marc:I don't know why we've, I've sort of narrowed it down to just, I just like looking at the travel size stuff.
Marc:Makes me feel big.
Marc:But but that aside, I didn't realize how deep it was because I wanted to go to Walgreens, want to get mouthwash because I'm a mouthwash guy and I like the little mouthwash.
Marc:And I always do that on the road.
Marc:Like usually I have to go and get a couple of things at Whole Foods and Walgreens.
Marc:And I'm driving down the road to the radio show early in the morning.
Marc:And I drive past a CVS and I made a audible like, CVS, who needs it?
Marc:And then like a mile, mile and a half down the road further, there was a Walgreens.
Marc:And I am not lying.
Marc:I gave the Walgreens a thumbs up.
Marc:I was alone in a car giving Walgreens a thumbs up.
Marc:This is a brand heavy show today.
Guest:Brand heavy.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And so I did have to cut the Gary Goldman interview for time.
Guest:I felt like it was getting too long the whole episode.
Guest:Like if I just used everything that he sent me from the monologue and the entire Gary Goldman interview, it would have been a two hour episode.
Guest:And I just feel like that's pushing it when it comes to the time that we ask our listeners to invest every week.
Guest:So what I wound up cutting from this were actually some stories Mark told before.
Guest:It's funny hearing him talk about them with Gary, but if you're a listener to the show, you've heard these stories before, just not maybe in this context.
Guest:There was also some stuff from Gary's first episode with Mark that kind of got reiterated here.
Guest:I thought, okay, for people who are listening to both episodes back to back, this stuff can come out because they'll hear it on the other episodes.
Guest:So
Guest:These were the kind of like judicious edits I was able to make within the Gary interview without actually compromising the interview itself.
Guest:So if I ran into you, for instance, when we hung out that time at the JFL and...
Guest:You were doing a one-person show about your breakups and the opening started with Johnny Cash's Ring of Fire.
Marc:I was in such a bad place, dude.
Guest:But that was a terrific one-person show, I will say.
Marc:That was insane.
Guest:It was wonderful.
Marc:It was when I was workshopping the show.
Marc:Oh, nine, maybe?
Marc:It was about the divorce, about the second divorce.
Marc:The fucking horrible thing about that show is that I didn't know what to do.
Marc:And my wife had left me.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And I was in bad shape, but I always think like, we'll get up on stage, right?
Marc:So I got some guy, that was a very fraught time because they wouldn't give me the regular festival.
Marc:They put me in that side theater on the secondary festival, right?
Marc:Yeah, but it was well attended.
Marc:Scorching the Earth.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And when I was workshopping at New York, it was this guy, Calvin, who I think has passed away, who was a little dubious, but he had the space beneath the Bleecker Theater.
Marc:There was a basement to the Bleecker Theater, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And it was like, it literally felt like a dungeon.
Marc:And I was down there workshopping this thing.
Marc:I didn't want any attention for it.
Marc:And upstairs, Berbiglia was doing a full production of Sleepwalk with me, and I was like, this is my life!
Ha ha!
Marc:You see how this goes?
Marc:The nice guy upstairs with the fun, dumb problems, he's doing a big thing up there.
Marc:Now I'm in the fucking basement.
Marc:Compare and despair.
Marc:Yeah, don't tell me about it.
Marc:But I don't compare and despair.
Marc:Now it's just some are reasonable resentments based on my personal understanding of things.
Guest:I get that.
Guest:No, I'm full of resentment as well.
Guest:Just not so much still, but there are certain things where something will come up and I'll think to myself, yeah, I could have used that 15 years ago when I was broke.
Guest:But that's always the case, it seems, in show business.
Guest:Long after you need something, it appears.
Marc:I remember when we hung out because you would like, you know, I didn't read it as a cry for help, but you said you were like living in a farmhouse or something.
Guest:Yeah, I was living in a farmhouse by myself that I had bought.
Marc:How could I not see that?
Guest:With this woman and she had left me like three months into it and moved to Los Angeles.
Guest:And you gave me this great advice.
Guest:I said, she won't give me the engagement ring back and it's my mother's ring and I feel terrible.
Guest:And she wants me to give her $10,000 for the ring.
Guest:And you said, give her the $10,000.
Guest:$10,000, it's a bargain.
Marc:That's what you learn when you get divorced.
Guest:Just pay the money.
Guest:Yes, you're out for $10,000.
Guest:And then, of course, when I brought it back to my mother, my mother said, ah, she should have let her keep it.
Guest:I don't need it.
Guest:Yeah, they don't care.
Marc:They don't care.
Marc:My mother just called me up.
Marc:It's so crazy to have a certain type of selfish Jewish mother.
Marc:She's like, Mark, listen, her sister is dying right now.
Marc:It's sad.
Marc:And my mother's like, I wish she would just take the medicine, but she's got cancer, and it's sad.
Marc:But my mother calls me today.
Marc:She's like, hi, can you give me $2,000?
Marc:And I'm like, okay.
Marc:For what?
Marc:She's like, well, I got a new car.
Marc:And I'm like, all right.
Marc:What kind of car?
Marc:She's like, well, my lease ran out and this was more expensive.
Marc:But, you know, it's just too late now.
Marc:Can you give me?
Marc:What does that mean?
Marc:It's too late now.
Marc:I don't care.
Marc:But then the issue was like, you know, I'm like, are you on sale?
Marc:She's like, I don't know.
Marc:And then I got to walk her through the Zelle thing, and I'm like, I'm not going to go to the bank to transfer money.
Marc:We have the same bank.
Marc:I can just Zelle it to you.
Marc:She's like, all right, well, tell me what to do.
Marc:So I tell her on the phone.
Marc:She's like, I don't know.
Marc:And then I call her back.
Marc:I'm like, you got to go figure it out.
Marc:She's like, I'm going to the bank, and I'll ask them.
Guest:My word.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My mother drives me with this, with this book coming out for two questions.
Guest:One was, it's very interesting because my, my, my wife is a black woman and her mother-in-law, my mother-in-law, her mother is, is so happy about this entire book thing.
Guest:Doesn't, doesn't have any critical questions.
Guest:She said, when I said I finished it, she said, Oh, Gary, we are blessed.
Guest:And my mother's big question was, um, who's the publisher?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:Yeah, because she wanted to be able to tell her friends.
Guest:And it's not like my mother's a member of the literati.
Guest:She doesn't read.
Guest:Who's the publisher?
Guest:She wants to brag about it, and then she wants to know.
Guest:She said, well, can I get it at Costco?
Guest:This was important to her.
Guest:It said Barnes & Noble.
Guest:It said Amazon, but she wants to see it where she shops.
Guest:This is very important to her, and it's just heartbreaking.
Marc:Well, some of the stuff you said about her in the special was, you know, it felt familiar to me.
Marc:That there's never, you know, a full declaration of your disappointment.
Marc:But there's these weird ways.
Marc:There's a poetic dismissal.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That they think they're complimenting you and they're not.
Marc:So it was about who's the publisher.
Marc:Flatiron, I put out a book of Flatiron.
Guest:Yeah, Flatiron is a good publisher.
Guest:But my mother didn't know who that was.
Guest:So I had to tell her it was an imprint of a bigger...
Guest:company that she had heard of and then she was able to write it down and share it with her friends but there was a very illuminating moment recently when she visited her great grandchildren yeah and and i said to her on the ride home i said ma isn't that isn't that extraordinary there were so many generations of of our family together and you're a great grandmother and she said honey yeah
Guest:I'm not a baby person.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My dad did the same thing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You mean a mother?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's exactly... But see, then what is this then?
Marc:You can tell me, like my mother, like about 10 years ago, I used to go down there and cook Thanksgiving dinner for everybody.
Marc:I hang out with her.
Marc:And I don't love hanging out there.
Marc:I mean, you know, I get her and we're okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The joke I used to do about them is like, I don't really see them as parents.
Marc:I see them as these people with problems who I grew up with.
Marc:And...
Guest:But I don't know how we share any DNA.
Guest:We have nothing in common.
Guest:Making a conversation with my family is such a chore.
Guest:They don't have any of the same interests.
Guest:It's bizarre.
Marc:But we do have something in common with them because we came from them.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:So there is, but the point was my mother, I'm sitting there chopping carrots and out of nowhere glibly, she goes, you know what, Mark, when you were a baby, I don't think I knew how to love you.
Marc:And I'm like, oh, there's the missing piece.
Marc:I'm going to go back to my therapist and tell them I'm done.
Marc:Of course.
Marc:That's incredible.
Marc:And then she had, she was, she's like anorexic, but, but.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My mother has weight.
Guest:weight problems.
Marc:Of course.
Guest:Yeah, eating disorder because her mother was a tyrant.
Marc:Right.
Marc:My mother's grandmother was a tyrant and my mother was heavy.
Marc:So now I have complete body dysmorphia for life.
Marc:Me too.
Marc:It's the deepest problem I have to be honest with you.
Marc:Obsessed with my weight.
Marc:Oh, but my dad, when we went to go to my brother's kid's bar mitzvah, they're divorced and I got to go pick my dad up at the hotel.
Guest:How old were you when they got divorced?
Marc:35.
Marc:I didn't know who to live with.
Guest:I was one and a half.
Guest:Oh, that's perfect.
Guest:I was one and a half.
Guest:So then you got the abandonment thing too, huh?
Guest:I have the abandonment thing.
Guest:And also there's this school of thought now that you can feel trauma in the womb in a, I forget what it's called, but that there's some sort of, yeah.
Marc:I can't go that deep to it.
Marc:After a certain point, like I'm talking about trauma and I think it's relative and I think it's a decent context for
Marc:But I'm doing some jokes based on the idea of which traumas are worse than others.
Marc:And sometimes the ones that you think are really bad are not that bad.
Guest:I heard you talking with Maria about the fact that you feel there was some molesting.
Guest:But what really bothered you were these trivial things.
Guest:That were repeated in patterns by my mother.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:They're not trivial because they, you know, they make you an idiot every day.
Marc:Right.
Marc:They're embarrassing.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But in comparison, you can't go to a jury and convict her over these things.
Guest:No, no, no, no.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But I've added a lot to that joke.
Marc:I'll tell you after.
Marc:I don't want to burn the joke.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:It's really something.
Marc:It's really turning into something.
Marc:But my dad, I go to pick him up, you know, for the day before the bar mitzvah, the brunch or whatever.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I go to his hotel and he goes, what are we doing?
Marc:I'm like, I guess we're going to go hang out with Craig and the kids, my brother, right?
Marc:He goes, yeah, you know, some people get something out of that.
Guest:I don't get anything out of that.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:But it's so— But that's helpful because at least it is out there and it's been said.
Guest:I feel like my mother hid all that and just could take us in half-hour doses.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And then she would medicate with television and food.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But my question is just the surprise of that—
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Of what I just said.
Marc:My father said, you know, it's painfully sad, but it's structured like a punchline.
Marc:Oh, 100.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So like and then you start to like wonder about the integrity of those laughs because they are laughs.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But what are they?
Guest:Okay, and this is the September 25th episode, which featured Chevy Chase.
Guest:And when we're dealing with an episode where it's a guest who has maybe some outside interest, I figure there would be people interested in Chevy Chase who maybe had not heard the show or not listened to the show in a long time.
Guest:And one of the things when that happens is I really want to kind of cut to the chase, so to speak.
Guest:In this case, specifically the Chevy chase.
Guest:But, you know, if I have to cut Mark's monologue down a little shorter than it normally is, I think that's worth it in an episode where people might be dipping in for the first time.
Guest:And here he gave me a perfect way to do that because he started off with quite a bit about his birthday coming up.
Guest:And I knew...
Guest:that the following episode, which would be a day after his birthday, he'd do more on his birthday.
Guest:I also knew he'd do more after the birthday party that he had on the weekend.
Guest:So I had no problem taking this birthday stuff out.
Guest:Just get us quicker to the Chevy Chase interview.
Guest:And now here it is for you to listen to.
Marc:So, yeah, it's my birthday this week.
Marc:On Wednesday, this Wednesday...
Marc:I will be 60, 60 years old.
Marc:I'm not hiding it.
Marc:I'm going to be 60.
Marc:I can't fucking believe it.
Marc:You know, I let these birthdays blow by and I don't have memories.
Marc:Well, you know what?
Marc:50, I remember because I was in the middle of a very dramatic breakup and
Marc:With a woman who I had a very difficult time with and breaking up with.
Marc:And I just remember on my 50th birthday or maybe the day before I told her she didn't even live with me, but I told her that I just can't do it anymore.
Marc:And, you know, she can she needs to get her stuff out of my house and figure out.
Marc:what to do with her life, and I just left my own house.
Marc:And that was on my 50th birthday.
Marc:I was on that Hotels.com app, and I was just staying at different hotels in town.
Marc:And I believe on the night of my birthday, I was avoiding my house in the middle of a lot of drama, alone in a hotel room in Hollywood.
Marc:And my buddy Ryan Singer...
Marc:called me up and took me to Cantor's on my 50th birthday.
Marc:So things are different now.
Marc:This is 60, and I feel it.
Marc:It feels heavy to me.
Marc:It feels real.
Marc:And it's, look, it's a gift.
Marc:I have both my parents still with me.
Marc:But it's weird that they had me so young and that weird transition that happens.
Marc:Did I talk about this the other day?
Marc:I can't remember.
Marc:Where, you know, for years they're your parents, for better, for worse.
Marc:And then you all of a sudden realize, wow, they're not even that much older than me.
Marc:You know, they're not, like, I'm just right behind them.
Marc:I think about this a lot.
Marc:I guess I've mentioned it before because it's,
Marc:The birthday is coming up, but I am going to have a get together with some people.
Marc:Some people are coming in from out of town.
Marc:A few new friends, a few old friends and dinner and kit.
Marc:And we're going to do a thing.
Marc:And like, I feel it physically.
Marc:I feel it mentally.
Marc:It's not a bad thing, but there is a shift, man.
Marc:There is a shift happening.
Marc:It's kind of crazy.
Marc:I'm okay, though.
Marc:I'm okay with it.
Marc:I do, as I said before, feel a little... Too much corn chips in the last few days in Vegas.
Marc:Had a good time, though.
Marc:These antique malls.
Marc:I got myself a new little Ganesh statue, a different one, a reclining Ganesh.
Marc:Picked up a couple of Leon Russell albums because I'm into a... I've decided I need to fully take in all of the... Maybe the first five or six Leon Russell records.
Yeah.
Marc:Got Kit some stuff, an ashtray, a fish ashtray at an antique place and a T-shirt.
Marc:You know, I did, I had a nice time.
Marc:Gonna be 60.
Guest:Okay, finally, very quickly, this was something I cut at the beginning of the LeVar Burton episode.
Guest:It's only about a minute.
Guest:It's just what Mark and LeVar were talking about right when they sat down at the microphones.
Guest:If you've listened to these producer cuts, you know that this is something I have to do regularly where, you know, they just kind of start talking and there's no real entry point if somebody's not introducing it.
Guest:I'm here to tell you that what they were talking about is you'll hear Mark show LeVar a picture, and it's a picture of Kit's car, which has a Star Trek tribute on it.
Guest:I will also point out that this clip contains something I try to stay on top of.
Guest:It's the fact that Mark does not know how to pronounce Star Trek.
Guest:He consistently calls it Star Track.
Guest:When I called him on it, the first time I heard him saying this, I think maybe back at the William Shatner episode, he told me I did not know it was called Star Trek.
Guest:I've thought my whole life it was called Star Trek, like running on a track.
Guest:So you will hear a Star Trek in the wild.
Guest:I usually try to cut them out or correct them.
Guest:But here for you Full Marin listeners, a little bit with LeVar Burton and an authentic Star Trek.
Marc:It seems like the smaller things – how's that?
Marc:The smaller things in one's life, it's easier to lock into those than it is to deal with the powerlessness of the bigger picture.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right?
Marc:Amen.
Marc:Amen.
Marc:I have to – I got to tell you that my girlfriend –
Marc:who just got back into town yesterday, was upset that you weren't coming to see that her car, on her car, she, hold on.
Marc:has a NCC-1701D sticker on it.
Guest:You're kidding.
Marc:No.
Marc:Like, I don't even know what it means.
Marc:I didn't even know what it meant.
Marc:But she's a big fan.
Guest:Clearly.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, she's... I respect that about your girlfriend.
Marc:Well, I mean, your Star Trek was her Star Trek.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:She's a bit younger, but she's a big— Than you or than me?
Marc:Both of us.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:I'm a little younger than you.
Marc:She's younger than both of us.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:But, yeah, Picard's her guy.
Guest:Yeah, mine too.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You can get up on that or pull it towards you.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:So your mouth's right on.
Marc:There you go.
Marc:It's better, right?
Marc:You got it.
You got it.
Guest:Okay, that'll do it for Producer Cuts.
Guest:We'll have more coming up next month.
Guest:I think this is a great way for us to do these, just kind of like bank them a month at a time.
Guest:And then every month, you, as full Marin subscribers, get to hear the stuff that nobody else does.
Guest:So thank you again for subscribing.
Guest:Hope you enjoy this.
Guest:And I will see you with this next month.
Guest:I will see some of you, maybe most of you, on the Friday show this week with our friend Chris Lopresto.