BONUS The Friday Show - Big Fan
Guest:what is the story of this dude now it turns out the story is it's not like what all the legends were the legends were like he's vince mcmahon's personal trainer you know he's lex luger's bodyguard or something and like there were all these stories right of like why is this guy and the reality is he's a guy who stood online at 6 a.m when the box office was going to open that day and he bought the front row seat every time he is just an obsessive fan so
Marc:Hey, Chris.
Marc:Brendan, Daylight Savings Time is here, and I feel like a new person.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:Was that noticeable?
Marc:Oh, it agrees with me so much.
Marc:I have been able to sleep, and there's extra pep in my step.
Marc:Let's not change this back.
Guest:Wait, wait, hang on one second.
Guest:Why can't you sleep when it's daylight?
Guest:Well, Daylight Savings Time is over.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:So it's what?
Marc:Daylight?
Marc:This is standard time.
Marc:Standard, yeah.
Marc:That's loving it.
Guest:So when it's daylight savings time, you can't sleep?
Marc:I don't know what it is.
Marc:I get up at a wickedly early time or like 4 o'clock, 5 o'clock in the morning.
Marc:Just can't do it.
Marc:Ever since we fell back, I have been able to sleep until 7.30.
Marc:I've been more focused.
Marc:I've been able to sleep like eight hours.
Marc:It has been...
Marc:Amazing.
Marc:Does this happen every year?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yes, it has.
Marc:And I've tracked it.
Marc:I've tracked my diet.
Marc:I've tracked alcohol intake.
Marc:I've tracked everything.
Marc:And it only leads to this goddamn falling back and getting myself one extra hour.
Marc:And yeah, it just agrees with me so very much.
Guest:Well, why don't you move to, where is it?
Guest:Arizona?
Guest:Like there are like two counties in the country that don't observe it.
Marc:Well, you know, I think Hawaii also doesn't observe it too.
Guest:Well, what are you doing?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Baby, baby.
Guest:Damn farmers.
Guest:Anyway, yeah.
Guest:What's on your mind from this past week?
Guest:Dude, you had John Wilson on your show.
Marc:I'm aware of that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's incredible because it's one of my favorite shows.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:It's also, like, a secretly, like, one of my favorite shows because, like, you know, the show is incredibly funny.
Marc:If you've never seen it, go fire up Max and watch it.
Marc:I recommend two episodes a night, more than two, and it gets a little to be too much.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's incredibly funny.
Marc:It's clever.
Marc:And I'm always on my toes, my man, because each episode, I think this is the episode where I'm going to see myself on HBO eating a fucking hot dog and spilling mustard on my shirt.
Guest:Oh, like you're certain that he has recorded you somewhere out in the world?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I just think I'm walking absentmindedly somewhere like a ghoul with like toilet paper on my shoe or something.
Marc:Like I'm just always on my toes looking for it.
Guest:You seem like you'd fit right into his oeuvre.
Guest:Definitely.
Guest:Like, like, I feel like you're I feel like you're one of those guys.
Guest:You know, something he said, it made me think of you, though.
Guest:He he he talked about how he almost got his first camcorder stolen from him.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And he was like, Mark was like, did you give him the camcorder?
Guest:And he was like, no, I just refused.
Guest:And I remember you did that to muggers once, too.
Guest:And I was like, what the hell?
Guest:Just give them the money.
Guest:You were like, no.
Guest:I just said no.
Guest:I was like, oh my God, this guy.
Marc:I mean, you've lived in New York most of your life.
Marc:Have you ever been held up by gunpoint at gunpoint?
Guest:No, I have not.
Guest:But I've always been told, just give up whatever you got.
Guest:It's not worth it.
Marc:Yeah, when I was a kid, I did not think that.
Marc:And there was like a whole crew of kids.
Marc:And they were kids.
Marc:I was like 18 at the time.
Marc:And these kids were like 13.
Marc:And they just, one of them leaned over.
Marc:He's like, hey, man.
Marc:I'm like, hey.
Marc:And this guy's like, hey, this guy over here, he wants your wallet.
Marc:And I'm like, okay, that's nice.
Marc:And I don't know if I've ever told this story before.
Marc:But he's like, yo, man, no, he really wants it.
Marc:And he shows me, whips out a revolver, like an actual gun.
Marc:And I was like, I look around like, so what, you're going to shoot me on the R train right now?
Marc:Like, go ahead, go.
Marc:What, for what, 20 bucks in my wallet?
Marc:And like, the guys are like, yo, man, you...
Marc:You're crazy.
Marc:You're crazy, man.
Marc:And they're laughing.
Marc:And I was like, oh, look, here's my stop.
Marc:It was not my stop, dear listener.
Marc:But I got off with my girlfriend.
Marc:And yeah, if I had to do it over again, I would probably give them my wallet.
Marc:But I mean.
Guest:Or you know what?
Guest:Okay, I never heard of the story, the part of the story that they were 13-year-olds, which it still shouldn't matter.
Guest:It's a gun.
Guest:Just don't screw around.
Guest:I can understand a universe in which you clock that they are of absolutely no threat.
Guest:Like...
Guest:I know that sounds stupid.
Guest:A gun is a gun.
Guest:But I could understand it just from a kind of streetwise assessment perspective.
Guest:You can size these things up.
Guest:And I could see a situation which you size up.
Guest:These are little kids who don't know what they're doing.
Guest:That might be a toy.
Guest:Whatever.
Guest:Who knows?
Yeah.
Guest:And you just kind of no sell it.
Guest:You know what I mean?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:But you were like actively antagonizing them.
Guest:Go on and do it.
Guest:Like, oh my God.
Marc:Well, that's the thing.
Marc:I was like, what, you're going to do this thing in this metal box and you think you're going to get away with it?
Guest:But I literally have read that on the front of like the New York Daily News, like her last words.
Guest:What are you going to do?
Guest:Shoot me like that.
Guest:Literally, I remember a headline like that.
Guest:And yeah, that's that's crazy.
Marc:An 18-year-old New Yorker, though, we're filled with piss and vinegar.
Marc:And yeah, we'll just, you know, we have gumption.
Guest:It took me a very, very long time.
Guest:I never did anything like that, but it took me a very long time to stop being an idiot about that kind of stuff.
Guest:Like, you know...
Guest:a car would cut me off or something.
Guest:And I would like, you know, just be like, nonstop laying on the horn, right.
Guest:Trailing him like that kind of stuff.
Guest:Like my wife, Dawn had to like, really have a, a come to Jesus with me about it.
Guest:She was like, you will die.
Guest:And,
Guest:And it will be your fault.
Guest:And you have a child and you have responsibilities and you shouldn't want to die.
Guest:And it's going to happen from being stupid.
Guest:So don't do that stuff.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:I had this conversation with my wife as well.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So are better.
Guest:That's literally what they mean when they say you're better half.
Guest:Cause, cause I, I am not that half.
Marc:Well, let me just say, I'm the one telling her that you need to calm down.
Guest:Well, there you go.
Marc:You're the better half in that situation.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:In that situation.
Marc:Only that situation, folks.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But this interview was exactly what I wanted.
Marc:It was an interview of John Wilson, and it was also the show because I basically see them to be one and the same.
Guest:I think that's true.
Guest:Yeah, I don't get the sense that he is any different.
Guest:He's 24-7.
Guest:He is who he is on the show.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And now, do you know if John had his camera on him during the interview?
Marc:Like, I think of him as like Linus with his blanket.
Guest:Well, I don't know if it was in his hand or if it was next to him at the table.
Guest:I don't think it was because there's that point where they're referencing how he was recording something when he got there and he's describing the camera.
Guest:So I don't think he's I don't think he's showing it to Mark in the moment.
Guest:Gotcha.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I do say that I think they're one and the same, but in the last couple of episodes of season three of his show, he starts to kind of pull the curtain away.
Marc:And Mark makes reference to it.
Marc:And even during this interview, I learned that there was a writer's room.
Marc:I didn't know that there was a writer's room.
Marc:Do you know of this show?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Have you watched it?
Guest:I haven't watched the last season, but I've seen the full first season and a few episodes in the second.
Guest:I'm like, I fully get the show.
Guest:In fact, I, you know, I watched the show and I told Mark, like, you should watch this.
Guest:I think then ultimately talk to this guy.
Guest:And the funny thing was he watched it and he was like, it's good.
Guest:I get it.
Guest:But I don't know that I'm going to be able to talk to this guy.
Guest:I don't know that.
Guest:I don't know that he can talk like I have no idea.
Guest:And what wound up being the case was he came away being like, that guy's a true artist.
Guest:He's like, I know artists in my life.
Guest:I've dated artists.
Guest:I know people who are in the arts.
Guest:He has an artist's brain.
Guest:He does not have a commerce brain.
Guest:He does not have a entertainment brain.
Guest:It's an art brain.
Guest:And so I think that's why they, they relate, you know, I think that was why it was a conversation that Mark enjoyed.
Guest:Uh, but yes, I did know there was a writer's room.
Guest:That was one of the things I was like in my notes to Mark about the show.
Guest:I was like, this is so weird because it's this like documentary style thing.
Guest:You're not entirely sure if it's parody, if it's real, if it, whatever, whatever.
Guest:But like there are writers, including Susan Orlean who wrote the orchid thief, uh,
Guest:You know, which is what adaptation is based on.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like she is one of the writers on this show.
Marc:See, that's crazy to me.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, apparently I did.
Guest:This didn't come up in the interview, but apparently part of the backstory was he did the first season.
Guest:She was not part of the show.
Guest:And, you know, you're now you're in HBO.
Guest:You're in their orbit.
Guest:You can make, you know, use the money and resources they have.
Guest:And it's probably a pretty cheap show to produce.
Guest:And he was talking to somebody about production as they were leading into the second season saying, you know, Hey, uh, you know, what I really love, what I hope to make the show closer to is like, you know,
Guest:There are things that I like, like Heavy Metal Parking Lot, which is a documentary from the 80s about people going to see a Judas Priest concert.
Guest:And he was like, I love Susan Orlean's writing for The New Yorker.
Guest:She's really there on the ground with people.
Guest:whoever was some executive or producer, somebody was like, you know, we could just ask her if she'd be on the show.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so they press that button.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Like, Oh, like here she is.
Guest:Like, I think they were like, you work for HBO now.
Guest:Like we can, we can get connections to people.
Guest:And she joined the show.
Guest:She's on the writing staff.
Marc:Wow, that's incredible.
Marc:So the last couple of episodes of John Wilson are very much in common with a show that you and I both like, Paul T. Goldman.
Marc:And it's what exactly is real, you know, particularly in a documentary.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Where, you know, like what is made up?
Marc:What is, what is fact?
Marc:You know, and who's telling this story?
Marc:And, you know, this, this show, this, you know, one of the last episodes, there was like this, this cop, this ex-cop called Bruce Beveridge.
Marc:Oh, right.
Guest:He said that.
Marc:John talks about him.
Guest:That he only picked him because he had the funniest name.
Yeah.
Marc:Which I find, like, see, here's the thing.
Marc:Because, you know, I don't want to, you know, like, something happens.
Marc:It's all about fabrication, right?
Marc:There's something that they fabricate.
Marc:They fabricate a shot in the show.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And because...
Marc:He makes a point to point out that this was fabricated.
Marc:It sort of just, like, lifts the veil.
Marc:And I'm just, oh, wait, is this whole fucking thing fake?
Marc:Is it all staged?
Marc:Like, because this guy tells this very perfect monologue.
Marc:to John in this car and he's just talking about keeping a secret and like, well, it's important to only keep a secret to just yourself and this and that.
Marc:And it was just a little too on the nose that now I think, well, now this whole fucking show is probably fake, isn't it?
Marc:It's all fake.
Marc:And now I can't trust anything.
Guest:But then once you listened to the interview, what did you think?
Marc:Uh, see, that's the thing.
Marc:Mark, Mark seemed to really be into like, yes, this guy was, you know, was, was so telling and he, and I feel like, I honestly think John played off of that.
Marc:Like he, he read the room and was like, yeah, that's right.
Marc:He, uh, he, he just, I was, I was shaking, you know, that he was telling this perfect monologue that was not scripted at all.
Marc:And I'm just like, I think that's bullshit.
Marc:I still think it's fake.
Marc:Why?
Marc:What do you think?
Guest:uh i you know on the basis of you know watching the show i was always i always thought and i haven't seen this episode you're talking about but i always thought it was a bit of a magic trick like what is real what isn't and that's part like you surrender to and you let it let it happen and part of the fun is not knowing what is and what isn't uh after listening to that and then all the other research i've done about him there's one of two options what's that
Guest:either uh what you see is what you get because he is just truly the same guy he is in the kind of persona of the show as he is in real life uh he is absolutely earnest in what he's saying about how you know any type of fabrication or mimicry of reality makes him uneasy and he has to wind up revealing that that he did it like he has to tell on himself and
Guest:And that 100% everything you're seeing, even if it has like a satirical bent in how he arranges the footage, is a part of what he believes is an honest presentation of his thought process and what he's getting at.
Guest:So that's one option.
Guest:One option is he's totally just...
Guest:John Wilson is John Wilson.
Guest:There's no artifice there whatsoever.
Guest:The other option is that he is the greatest performance artist in the world, greater than Andy Kaufman, more cunning, more duplicitous than any magician you've ever seen.
Guest:So of those two options...
Guest:I think one is much, much, much more likely that this guy is just showing you what he's showing you.
Guest:And through the nature of his persistence of filming everything he comes in contact with, having a kind of encyclopedic memory of the stuff he's shot and the footage he uses and the archive at his disposal, he is able to construct, like an artist can on a canvas, this montage sense of his thought process.
Guest:I think everything you see on the screen is probably captured out of coincidence or intuition.
Guest:And when they assemble it into this half hour show that creates this spooling narrative that seems so crazy that it could have happened, it's just probably the result of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of footage.
Guest:And these were the things that wound up matching up and being right.
Guest:And he's got this brain for editing and assembly that allows that to happen.
Guest:But if he if he's the bullshit artist and this is all fabricated, he's the greatest of all time.
Guest:Like he's he's the best.
Guest:You'll you'll never.
Guest:It's like it's like Kaiser Soze.
Guest:You will you'll have a slow motion drop someday of a mug where you figure it all out.
Guest:And you'll be like, oh, my God, that guy fooled everyone because it has the mask has never slipped anymore.
Guest:He has never shown himself to be anything other than who he is and who he was in that interview with Mark.
Marc:But it's interesting.
Marc:He, so he fabricated one scene and he explains it in the show and just, just introducing that it's like a Petri dish where I was on board and thinking everything was on the up and up the entire three seasons.
Marc:But then you just, you just put a little bit of bacteria in there.
Marc:You put a little bit of doubt.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And it just infests everything.
Marc:Now I'm questioning everything that I've seen up until that point.
Guest:But do you remember they did that with the Osbournes?
Guest:Do you remember the Osbournes show?
Guest:Ozzie and his family?
Guest:I remember the show.
Marc:I don't recall like what there was reveal that there were.
Guest:Yeah, it was.
Guest:It was only supposed to go two seasons.
Guest:I think.
Guest:And like, and they, then what wound up happening was it was this enormous hit.
Guest:Like that's literally the, it's Survivor and the Osbournes are the genesis of modern reality TV.
Guest:Like, you know, Survivor gave birth to all the competition shows and the Osbournes gave birth to every single scripted reality show, right?
Guest:The idea of like the Kardashians and the Vanderpump and all of it is from the Osbournes.
Guest:And the second season ended because it was, they were going to end the show here.
Guest:And what wound up happening was it made so much money.
Guest:They like gave the Osbournes a truckload of cash and they just kept doing it for multiple more seasons.
Guest:Um, but,
Guest:But the end of the second season has Ozzy walking into a room or something and like nobody's around.
Guest:And it's like playing off of what was in the episode at the time, some drama in their family that you think like, oh, everybody left the house or they're mad or something.
Guest:And then he walks into a room and it's like, what was that show I just watched?
Guest:The jury one, Jury Duty, right?
Guest:Where there's like,
Guest:all the all the the the tv cameras and production equipment is like in a separate room in their house that's like you know been watching them all the time right and he walks in there and everyone's in there and it's like hey surprise and they're like and he's like oh thank god i don't have to say fuck anymore like like he's okay it's like it's like the rap party right of the show right yeah
Guest:And then the very last thing they do is they show this clip from the first season, the first episode of the first season, the pilot episode.
Guest:And it was like the clip that got everybody hooked on the show in the first place was Ozzy talking to his wife or his son.
Guest:And he's like, I love you all, but you're all fucking mad.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it was like the clip they would show to get like, oh, Ozzy's got a show where he's like, you know, my two dads or whatever.
Guest:Leave it to Beaver, but with Ozzy.
Guest:And they show this clip of him trying to do that line over and over and over again.
Guest:Like take after take after take.
Oh, wow.
Guest:And I feel like they were doing what you're talking about.
Guest:They were trying to say, this has all been bullshit, right?
Guest:Like it was a reveal.
Guest:And then they just, it got ruined because they had to keep doing the show.
Guest:But like, that was the point ultimately that they were going to make was like, we took you through this thing for two years.
Guest:Everybody acted like we were watching the real, a real crazy family that just happened to be Ozzy Osbourne and his family.
Guest:But no, we like, we fabricated all of this.
Guest:It was all, it was all a gag.
Guest:And somehow they let it keep going on and pretended like, no, it is.
Guest:It's all real.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But by then the jig is up and literally that the jig is up on all reality TV.
Guest:Like we know he talks about that.
Guest:John Wilson does about how, you know, he was on some reality show about gypsies.
Guest:Jesus Christ.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Is that show even allowed anymore?
Guest:Like, what the hell?
Guest:It is buried.
Guest:And they, you know, he points out that everything was fake.
Guest:They rented a store for them to pretend to work at.
Guest:And I feel like his entire being...
Guest:is a pushback on that.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like he's basically like, you can make that, but it requires skill.
Guest:Like you can make a reality show that's as entertaining as those things without fucking with it, without trying to bend reality to your whim.
Guest:And it will still be entertaining because I do think he knows one thing that we've always known as part of WTF is the second you put a camera on someone, they act differently.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And, uh, I, you know, I think he knows that like, if he puts the camera on the right person, they're going to start performing.
Guest:I think the greatest one in that early season, the first season is when he's like, he meets a guy in the supermarket.
Guest:Like this, the episode is like how to diet or something, how to shop for groceries, like whatever the thing is, it winds up meaningless to the trajectory of the episode.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because he meets this guy, goes to the grocery store to like shop.
Guest:And there's a guy in the aisle that he starts talking to.
Guest:And that guy starts talking to him about how the Raisin Bran son used to have sunglasses or never had sunglasses.
Guest:And it all turns into Mandela effect stuff, right?
Guest:And then this guy goes to convention of the Mandela effect people.
Guest:It's like out in Idaho.
Guest:Like that was the moment where I was like, oh, this guy just, he just does, he goes...
Guest:over and over and over again to any person he can until he finds that thing and then it's like all right that's the show that's the episode like whatever this bullshit i was doing is not the episode this guy taking me to the mandela effect conference is the episode
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:And it's a real coincidence that John was on your show, because I was just finishing up last season of his show last week, and I actually took a picture from my TV to show you and our friend Mike Patistic.
Marc:It was John with Mr. and Mrs. Met.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And we're Mike Metz fans.
Marc:Yeah, huge Metz fans.
Marc:And Mike shot back and asked, oh, is the episode any good?
Marc:And I...
Marc:In my response, I accidentally explained the premise of every show of How to with John Wilson, which is, I said, it went somewhere else shortly after the premise.
Marc:To which you responded, no.
Marc:I mean, you teed that one up for me.
Marc:I mean, to be fair, again, I have never talked about this show to anyone.
Marc:I did not want Mike to tune into this show expecting the Mets game to be the focal point of the show.
Marc:Meanwhile, it ends up at a vacuum convention in, you know, I don't know, Pennsylvania.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:there was some great way like the funny thing about it I used to have this problem with the Simpsons too was that there were certain episodes of the Simpsons that start out one way and they just zag to a completely different spot and there would be times where I remember there was this one time I was talking with somebody about the trampoline episode right where they get a trampoline in the back of the yard and it like everyone gets injured and they're finally like you gotta get rid of the trampoline he tries to give it back to Krusty and Krusty like points a shotgun at him he's like you keep moving laughing
Guest:I spent hours.
Guest:It could have been days.
Guest:This was like pre like the instant availability of like a Wikipedia page on every episode of The Simpsons.
Guest:And I was like, what the fuck episode is that trampoline on?
Guest:I just could not come up with it.
Guest:I bet you can't come up with it.
Guest:Can you remember where the trampoline goes to?
Guest:no it's impossible ultimately it's the one where albert brooks plays a self-help guy and he's like you know just a shitty um tony robbins type of motivational speaker and bart makes a mockery of him at the at the event and he's like why'd you do that and bart's like i do what i feel like and then he starts that whole movement he's like it's the do what you feel like movement
Guest:oh my god that's that episode that's yeah i i've i've remembered those simpsons episodes being like having that same conversation with someone else being like holy shit that how did they get from point a to point b right well now that's the problem i have with how to with john wilson where i cannot remember what the name of the episode like if i want to tell somebody to go watch it i'm like oh yeah you got to watch this one where it winds up at like a referee bylaws meeting like
Marc:how did he get there again yeah i'm looking at the titles i'm like is it like how to clean your pants i don't know i can't remember well in that episode though john wilson goes to a mets game and he meets a famous well quote unquote famous met fan pin guy or pin man do you know you've seen pin man i guess a good guy with pins on his coat
Marc:Yeah, guy with pins on his coat or on his jersey.
Marc:And so he talks to him and they end up actually going to his house.
Marc:And we see Pin Man's home life.
Marc:And it's a shrine of Metz Memorabilia.
Marc:There are stacks of old like souvenir cups, giveaways, all the goddamn bobbleheads, a fridge full of Mets magnets, framed pins that were, I guess, retired by him.
Marc:And they're watching the 86 Mets video yearbook, which is something you and I have both watched many, many times.
Marc:So yeah, Pin Man is a super fan of the Mets.
Marc:It's his actual identity.
Marc:And it was interesting to see his actual homeland.
Guest:Well, wait, and so what is, like, how does Pin Man, like, usually then when he latches on to a character, like, there's that one episode where he winds up going to, like, spring break, and he finds that guy, and he then follows that guy around the whole time.
Guest:And then it actually turns into this kind of, like, heartfelt story.
Guest:Like, that guy was there because a friend committed suicide, and he wanted to, like, you know, bounce back from that.
Guest:He came to the worst possible place where you...
Marc:obviously feel alienated uh but like was there a thing with pin man did it have some kind of like personal arc uh i mean we meet his dad it's funny like pin man's house or you know apartment or wherever it is is filled with nostalgia and then uh and on in the basement is where his dad lives he's taking care of his dad and his dad's house is like immaculate there's no meth stuff anywhere and and uh yeah so you know he's like
Marc:oh yeah, he takes care of me.
Marc:We have another son, but he's a Yankee fan.
Marc:So we don't see him that often.
Guest:I think this is probably a good point to segue to something else we watched this week.
Guest:We both watched this.
Guest:Because what you're talking about here is clearly reminding me of the documentary that's now on Peacock called Superfan.
Guest:You just mentioned this pin man who is a superfan.
Guest:And, you know, I haven't seen that John Wilson episode, but obviously the same thing happens in this documentary, which is about a super fan of WWE.
Guest:And he has the same type of setup, a place in his house.
Guest:For all I know is like the majority of his house.
Guest:It looks like he lives in an apartment and it's all WWE memorabilia.
Guest:The interesting thing, though, is it seems like the majority of it is not just like stuff he bought.
Guest:or stuff he's a fan of, is stuff he got from the actual wrestlers.
Guest:Because this guy named Vladimir Abouzidi, I believe that's how he pronounces his last name, it's a Haitian name.
Guest:Great job.
Guest:He is a guy who anyone who has watched WWF or E programming for the last 40 years has seen at some point.
Guest:Did you recognize him, Chris, when you watched this?
Guest:100%, yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I remember I watched something recently that you asked me to watch and he was there and I clocked him.
Marc:I'm just like, oh yeah, there's that guy.
Guest:That guy.
Guest:That's always how it was.
Guest:That guy.
Guest:And if you saw him, he always looked roughly the same.
Guest:Every now and then he'd have a different thing on.
Guest:But most of the time he was wearing a tank top, a very like, you know, thin tank top,
Guest:that you know he had a very good physique so he you know was uh you know that was another thing that made him stand out he was this guy with this close cropped hair glasses and he was muscle bound he was a big dude uh very tall though very like i would say trim despite being you know very muscular and uh he was always in the front row
Guest:Particularly at MSG shows.
Guest:If WWF was at MSG, you saw him there in the front row.
Guest:So, you know, I had heard about this thing in the summer of 2021.
Guest:They had announced that they were making a documentary about Vlad, the super fan.
Guest:And they released a trailer and then apparently it had screened as part of some shorts festival and some people saw it and were like, Oh, it's Vladimir documentary.
Guest:I've always wondered like, what's the deal with this guy and the super fan guy.
Guest:And then all of a sudden,
Guest:The thing gets pulled.
Guest:They said it won't be released.
Guest:It was this mysterious shelving of the thing.
Guest:They didn't say why.
Guest:They just said it got pulled off their schedule.
Guest:And then when they were asked about it, WWE, they said there's no intention to release it.
Guest:It was shelved indefinitely.
Marc:Weird.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so I thought, I don't know, maybe would the guy get arrested or some shit?
Guest:Right.
Marc:Did he turn out a bad guy?
Guest:Bad thing in his past, right?
Guest:They were like, oh, we can't wind up releasing this.
Guest:The one thing I did see in reporting on it was that, and I can't tell if it was that he was diagnosed with this before the doc was made or maybe it was after the doc was made, but he'd been diagnosed with Parkinson's.
Guest:Which I think, in hindsight, is pretty clear in the documentary that whether he was diagnosed at the time or not, he was suffering from some type of impairment.
Guest:But that was kind of the end of it.
Guest:And there were a lot of people who do wrestling journalism who were...
Guest:you know, being loud about it because they kind of felt it was, uh, sad and unfair to this guy.
Guest:Like, you know, especially people who had seen it at this screening, they were like, why are you guys not releasing it?
Guest:And I, you know, I saw a bunch of websites kind of like, you know, rattling cages on it.
Guest:And then all of a sudden, October 27th, two weeks ago, without any announcement or anything, uh,
Guest:It just got released and they didn't tell anybody like fans spotted it on Peacock and like it started getting around by word of mouth.
Guest:In fact, you know how I found out about it.
Guest:One of the guys who made it, there's a guy named Giancarlo who works at AEW now and we've met him a few times.
Guest:I introduced you to him when we went to the ring of honor show.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He, he was working at WWE at the time and it was his team that shot this thing and put it together and,
Guest:And, you know, so he was like, oh, a thing I made finally seen the light of day.
Guest:Why don't you go check it out?
Guest:So that was when I watched it.
Guest:That was when I alerted you to watching it, Chris.
Guest:And I got to say, I have no knowledge about why it didn't air, why they shelved it.
Guest:So this is all just speculation.
Guest:But after watching it, we can get into like the content of it in a second.
Guest:I got to say, and this goes back to Pin Man as well.
Guest:I think that this is – I think the idea of like a superfan and the story that you can tell from a superfan is – it's a real story and it's been documented many times through many media, through many genres –
Guest:I just think it's always going to inevitably end up in the same spot where there is some joy to it, right?
Guest:There is some wholesomeness.
Guest:These people have an enthusiasm about them that is infectious.
Guest:Obviously, people saw that through the screen with this guy, Vladimir, through their whole lives watching WWF TV because they were like, oh, that guy, he's like me.
Guest:He's like the fan surrogate, right?
Guest:Right.
Guest:But that is always going to be juxtaposed with a tremendous sadness.
Guest:And I tried, I tried very hard to find instances where that was not the case.
Guest:And like, because I wanted to come, I wanted to be like, ah, see, here's one where you can point to doing like a profile of a super fan and you see how great it was for this person.
Guest:And I couldn't come up with it.
Guest:Like every road I went down, a documentary.
Guest:Oh, oh yeah.
Guest:Trekkies.
Guest:I remember that documentary.
Guest:That's good.
Guest:Oh, no, that's pretty sad.
Guest:Like, uh, uh, there's, there's the, the, the fandom menace, right.
Guest:Which is the one about star Wars fans that, you know, and, and every time that the sadness would creep in, it was in noticing how much devotion the people had to this thing that, uh,
Guest:is fantasy right and it is filling something for them that can't be filled that's too painful or whatever i want to project onto them why they're filling a void in their life but the void they're filling in their life with this fantasy thing makes them live in the fantasy and then as what happens in this documentary to this guy vlad when covid hit it seemed like the two things in his life that he cared about which was his mother and
Guest:And WWE, they both died in essence.
Guest:I mean, his mother died for real and WWE, he couldn't go to the shows anymore.
Guest:And I mean, he mentions that he tried to kill himself three times with sleeping pills.
Guest:He's in therapy now.
Guest:They allude to the fact that he's worked through that as a present issue, but it's still obviously something that is going to have to be addressed in his life.
Guest:And, uh, and, you know, I couldn't shake the fact that he is stuck in a way, you know, you're at the whims of a major corporation.
Guest:Like there's, that's not, it's not like friends or family.
Guest:Like if he's tied everything in his life to WWE, uh,
Guest:then, you know, he will live or die as they say, as they command.
Guest:And that's like what I've noticed in all of these cases with super fans.
Guest:And it's why the word is derived from fanatic, you know?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And, you know, I agree with you.
Marc:There is just an incredible amount of sadness in this documentary.
Marc:It's basically holding up a mirror to this person, you know, and just, you know, you're looking at him sort of naked.
Marc:But, you know, it's all WWE stuff.
Marc:But I will say...
Marc:There are moments in this documentary where you see video packages of all these wrestlers, new and old, and they are saying thank you to him and appreciating him.
Marc:And I think that...
Marc:Is is was so wholesome and so good in like that was like the only sort of hope that that that I saw from it.
Marc:And I thought that was good.
Guest:Well, yeah, the fact that he as a person, just a fan appreciating them made a connection with them.
Guest:And it's very clear.
Guest:You're right.
Guest:None of these people are put off by him.
Guest:They don't look like they're just tolerating someone who's, you know, obsessive about them.
Guest:You know, the way you would, you know, kind of try to be nice to a child.
Guest:Right.
Guest:They're not treating him like that.
Guest:In fact, you go back and watch the footage that they put in this from actual matches.
Guest:Right.
Guest:where guys like are genuinely happy to see him when they come down the aisle and they spot him in the crowd like you'd see like sean michaels run over and give him a hug or or uh sid justice right like they they are very happy to see this guy and they're like he's the one like you and mark talks about this sometimes about performing on stage and like he'll lock on to somebody and then he basically like does the whole show to them like like he's like oh i i like i found a connector in the audience like that's
Guest:that's the person i'm going to like channel all this through like you could see these wrestlers in in in all various occasions kind of light up that they're like oh vlad's here i can like play to vlad like even the bad guys like jeff jarrett's like cursing him out and this guy's giving it back and like you know they he talked jeff jarrett is in the documentary and talks about it later saying like yeah like i i i gave it to him and he gave it right back and we were just we had a thing it was going yeah
Marc:It was sweet.
Marc:It's so sweet to see another shade or another side of these people and just seeing that, oh, they actually do appreciate, you know, this guy who's dedicated, honestly, unfortunately, his whole life, you know, for better or for worse, his whole life to WWF or E. Right.
Guest:Well, I think that it's clear that you saw that connection with the wrestlers.
Guest:I think also what I could feel was that connection is from the people who made the doc, because obviously these are people like us who watched this programming for their lives and saw this guy.
Guest:And we're like, what is the story of this dude?
Guest:Now it turns out the story is, it's not like what all the legends were.
Guest:The legends were like, he's Vince McMahon's personal trainer.
Guest:You know, he's Lex Luger's bodyguard or something.
Guest:And
Guest:And like, there were all these stories, right?
Guest:Of like, why is this guy?
Guest:And the reality is he's a guy who stood online at 6 a.m.
Guest:when the box office was going to open that day and he bought the front row seat every time.
Guest:He is just an obsessive fan.
Guest:And, you know, that once, I guess, as a person, as someone who, you know, is interested in this stuff, once you find that out,
Guest:there's not a ton of runway after that.
Guest:I mean, you could tell the life story of the guy, but the life story seems fairly much like any person who has their own life and background.
Guest:Like, okay, you know, a person is a person.
Guest:There's not a ton more of story there other than he was with his mom who, you know, came over from Haiti and then she, you know, he took care of her into her 90s and then she died of COVID.
Guest:That's a sad story and a sad arc, but like...
Guest:There's not much more story there about him as a fan of WWE other than he's a fan.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:And so they try to tell this story.
Guest:And I think WWE probably noticed...
Guest:It's almost like they turn the second half of this thing into like a make-a-wish thing, right?
Guest:Like it's post-COVID.
Guest:They bring him to WrestleMania.
Guest:They present him with a plaque that has a championship belt on it and that.
Guest:And I bet you, look, this again, it's all speculation because I don't know any real reason as to why this thing got shelved.
Guest:But...
Guest:I would have to guess that the people making the doc and what they thought was interesting about this guy did not align with the WWE's corporate perception of the doc, right?
Guest:I would not be surprised if that came down to one guy.
Guest:Like if it was Vince himself in 2021, saw a cut of this and was like, nah, I don't like this.
Guest:And all it would take is one person in the way that that company was structured at the time.
Guest:And I would guess, again, this is speculation.
Guest:I have no inside information about this.
Guest:But that now that they're owned by a new company, right?
Guest:They're owned by this Endeavor offshoot, TKO, which owns them and UFC.
Guest:Vince is actually not in charge of the WWE anymore.
Guest:He is an employee of this company, TKO.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And in fact, the word coming out of everything is that they've sidelined him quite a bit.
Guest:They don't want him involved in the creative aspects of the company.
Guest:They've left Triple H in charge of the creative aspect of the company.
Guest:And so all it would take...
Guest:Is like one person internally there now to be like, hey, let's finally release this thing because it like hurts my soul that we didn't.
Guest:This poor guy, like we did this story about him and we told him you're the greatest super fan we've ever had.
Guest:And then we've just, you know, thrown his documentary in the trash.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And it wouldn't take much for them to be like, yeah, sure, whatever.
Guest:Go ahead and put it up on Peacock.
Guest:There's nothing wrong with the doc.
Guest:Right.
Guest:There's nothing in it that reflects poorly on WWE.
Guest:It would only reflect poorly if your perception, which is like the perception of Vince, is like, we're the thing that just makes everybody smile all the time.
Guest:And instead of showing that this is a smiley time, it's like, no, this guy has a pretty sad life.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And it had to be supplemented by this 100 proof deluge of wrestling all the time.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like not exactly what Vince was selling.
Guest:Right.
Guest:This new company that runs MMA and WWE and everything else, they don't care.
Guest:So it's like, yeah, just go ahead, put it up on Peacock.
Guest:They're not going to pay for an ad for it or anything.
Guest:It's just there now.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Why not?
Guest:Right.
Guest:But I do think that there's no way to watch it and avoid the idea that fandom at this level of fanaticism is a salvation and a curse, just like it is for any kind of fanatic, religious fanatic, you know, any ideologue, anything like that.
Guest:It is both something that obviously keeps them going and it has stunted them in every other aspect of their life.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And that that's the thing is that this super fan or super fans in general are so common.
Marc:There are so many super fans of so many things.
Guest:It feels like it's getting worse.
Guest:Like it feels like it's because now there's any outlet for you to create a community around that thing that you can just, you know, glom on.
Guest:I mean, look, we're talking to people who are paying $5 a month because they're fans of this show.
Guest:Now I'm not saying all of these fans are, these are obsessive Mark Maron fans or fans of 24 seven.
Guest:And this is the only thing they think about the way that this guy did with, with WWE and the way certainly people do with some sports or Star Wars or Star Trek, right?
Guest:All of that.
Guest:Star tracks, Star Trek, which we got one in the wild.
Marc:I had to rewind it to hear it again, but I popped so loud.
Guest:That was with John Wilson, right?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Star Trek.
Guest:Star Trek.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:There you go.
Marc:That was so good.
Guest:But yes, you're right.
Guest:There are so many now and it's easier than ever.
Marc:Yes, it's common.
Marc:And I think you said it correctly or you hit the nail on the head when you said it earlier.
Marc:Like being a super fan of something is filling a hole somewhere else in your life.
Marc:Like I ran five marathons.
Marc:And that's weird.
Marc:Why would I do that?
Marc:I was basically a super fan of just trying to be active because I had some shit going on in my life.
Marc:I blew up my work life.
Marc:I broke up with my girlfriend and I had a hole in my life and I just didn't realize it, but I just filled that hole with running.
Marc:And that's what I did for five years.
Marc:I just ran a whole bunch and
Marc:i didn't then i met my my soon-to-be wife and or you know my my wife and uh and guess what i did i stopped running because i didn't i didn't have a person-sized hole inside of me you know i could you know so it's just it's so common and i know so many people hell i grew up my dad had hundreds of vhs tapes with three movies on each tape like they he was a cinephile and he's like he
Marc:He's a super fan of movies.
Marc:I didn't realize it at the time, but that's what he was.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, but I do think there's a, there's a balance to be struck, right?
Guest:To be like an obsessive fan about a thing and not have it.
Guest:Consume.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Consume you.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, I do think that I'm always on guard for it, frankly, because I can get, you know, I absorb a lot of information at any given time.
Guest:And so I think it becomes fairly easy for me to kind of look at something and be like, well, I want to know more about that.
Guest:And then I start learning more about it and then I'm in.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And I think if something you've noticed about me, it's like I'm very quick to drop something.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like I'll, I'll, I'll, you know, a TV show I'm watching like starts to turn South.
Guest:I'll just abandon the whole thing or, you know, Wordle.
Marc:You were like, yeah, I think I'm good.
Marc:And you're done.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We did it every single day for like, you know, two years.
Guest:And then just one day you were like, Oh, did you do the world today?
Guest:I was like, no, I don't do it anymore.
Yeah.
Guest:And and yeah, I mean, like, I think it's it's just become a part of my life to hop from thing to thing and not let one thing last for too long.
Guest:I mean, we've we've been talking about wrestling on the show since we started it, but it's been like a recently reengaged thing in my life.
Guest:I think I'm able to talk about it because I have this backstory about being a wrestling fan as a kid.
Guest:And I remember a lot of stuff when I was a mega fan at that time.
Guest:But I gave it up for a long time.
Guest:And I really only started watching it again with any regularity in 2021 with AEW.
Guest:So things to me can come and go in waves.
Guest:But I know I'm susceptible to the idea of like, I should just do this thing all the time.
Guest:I have had many times where I've thought like...
Guest:fuck it, I'm just going to buy season tickets to the Mets.
Guest:And then, like, it just takes, like, a little bit of, like, you know, angle shifting, right?
Guest:Like, maybe, like, you know, 15 degrees, 20 degrees, and looking from another side, and I'm like, wait, I'd have to go to 80 games?
Guest:And I'd have, like...
Guest:what about when i don't like the team and what about like when they're bad and like you just if i start to ask reality-based questions the spell gets broken right yeah uh and that you know thankfully i've never gotten on a plane and traveled anywhere for like a wrestling event and i well that's not true i went out to la with mark to go do the aw stuff but that was content we can chunk that out to content
Guest:fair enough but you know like i i've traveled to go to concerts i've seen pearl jam in five different cities around the world that's an interesting one that is a fan that is a like a very common uh uh fanatic uh thing of like people who are fans of a particular band or group or artist and they travel every i mean it's what the grateful dead was like uh founded on essentially
Guest:That's right.
Marc:And there's comic book fans.
Marc:I used to have friends that have basements full of comic books in these white boxes, and they would just pull them out and look at them.
Marc:It's so common.
Marc:That's the thing.
Marc:It's like you show me a stadium full of fans, and I'm going to show you that there's like 90% of them are super fans.
Marc:People going to football or soccer games, those are people who are...
Marc:love this shit and are fanatical about there's there's a guy in an orange miami marlins jersey at like very you know high profile baseball games like the world series the marlins guy yeah and like do you remember and this is very specific to you and i but and you might be you know i actually know you're probably the same age yeah you're the same age as me but in 86 there is there 1986 there was a lady behind home plate
Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Who would go to every home game and do this barrel motion with her on.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:And every time the opposing pitcher was there.
Marc:And I would just latch on to her and be fascinated by her.
Marc:And I guarantee you, this was a super fan.
Guest:But this is all making me then question, like, with, you know, watching this documentary about Vladimir, it's like...
Guest:Where does it cross over to be like you're the way what you're saying is making plenty of sense where it's like, yeah, there's there's 90 percent of people in a stadium probably fall into this category somehow.
Guest:You know, it makes sense that people would try to find an external outlet for things in their life.
Guest:And I just what I keep coming back to is like.
Guest:But where does... What's the line, right?
Guest:Like, there's got to be some line where you're like, this is now too much.
Guest:And that's probably different for everybody.
Guest:And I watched this thing about this guy where it seems clearly like it's too much because his whole identity is wrapped up in it.
Guest:He's...
Guest:praying to wwe at one time at one point and he's saying without wrestling i have no life i don't live i would i would be dead without wrestling wrestling has to come back and it's very sad but it's also it's like why would i take that away from him he's it's like it's it's frankly better for him to be devoted to this fantasy thing than to a fantasy thing that's like hey you know what you should go out and kill people
Guest:Which is like what a lot of religion winds up being over time, right?
Guest:Misinterpreted to the point of being fatal.
Guest:So, you know, I can't get down on it too much, but I also can see why somebody watching this...
Guest:Maybe internally at WWE would have been like, oh, I don't know.
Guest:I feel a little awkward about putting this out into the world.
Guest:And, you know, now it's out into the world.
Guest:And I think it's a good thing to watch just from the standpoint of understanding these things fill a role for people and sometimes in a very extreme way.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I think, you know, the line is people don't realize, like they don't get woken up from the spell.
Marc:Like you, like thinking about, oh, the season tickets to a Met game, like, you know, what am I really doing?
Marc:They don't have that self-realization.
Marc:And I think they just keep going and going and then they'll just have
Marc:like a storage unit full of funko pops you know you know yeah actually figures you know it's just it's a they just don't have that next step of realization and i think that's and i think a lot of people when they watch this documentary they're gonna feel seen honestly because it's that's right it's a very again it's a very common to be a super fan especially in this day and age
Guest:Right.
Guest:Well, you know, if you're listening to this and you have your own opinions on it, maybe they're diametrically opposed to ours.
Guest:And I would like to hear that.
Guest:So there's the link in the episode description of this show.
Guest:You can go scroll to that right now and click on the link.
Guest:Send us a comment.
Guest:Send us your thoughts about super fandom, anything like that.
Guest:Uh, and if you happen to watch the doc on Peacock, it's called super fan.
Guest:And, uh, just let us know what you think.
Guest:Cause, uh, I think anyone should watch it.
Guest:It's not just for wrestling fans.
Guest:It's a story about a wrestling fan, but that's no different than, like I said, the movie Trekkies or the movie American movie, which I talked about on bonus content with Mark.
Guest:So yeah, go check it out.
Guest:But speaking of fandom, like I said, one of the reasons we started doing this Friday show was because of wrestling fans, wrestling fans who came to the full Marin.
Guest:So yeah,
Guest:We decided to give them some content that they enjoy, and we enjoy wrestling.
Guest:And one of the things we do at the end of here is the best thing in wrestling.
Guest:And what was yours this week, Chris?
Marc:Well, I ventured out into the world, and I took your recommendation, and I saw The Killer.
Marc:In a theater.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Marc:And I, of course, loved it.
Marc:This might be one of the best years of movies.
Guest:Oh, it's been great.
Marc:It has just been a fucking treat.
Guest:But wait a second.
Guest:I feel like you're violating a rule here.
Guest:This is the best thing in wrestling, and you're talking about a David Fincher hitman movie.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:But I'm not, because in this movie, and I encourage you all to watch this on Netflix, and I do not think it's going to lose anything.
Marc:It's on there today.
Marc:Yes, it is on there right now.
Marc:I'm going to go watch it today.
Marc:But in it, there is a scene, a fight scene that is so amazing.
Marc:It is the best fight scene I've seen since a John Wick movie.
Marc:It is awesome.
Marc:So that is my favorite wrestling moment of the week.
Guest:I would think that there might be people listening to this who would quibble with you and be like, well, a fight scene is not wrestling.
Guest:Like, I've seen John Wick movies.
Guest:It doesn't look like pro wrestling to me.
Guest:This scene in The Killer is wrestling.
Guest:He does a powerbomb at one point through a table.
Guest:He looks like the Dudley Boys.
Guest:And the guy he's fighting, it looks like Roman Reigns.
Marc:Yes, I thought it was Roman Reigns.
Marc:I was like, is he in this movie?
Marc:This is wild.
Guest:I mean, there's like spear tackles, just like Goldberg in it.
Guest:I would not be surprised if you did some research on this, that whoever coordinated the fight scene for this was a former wrestler or using stuff from wrestling.
Guest:it definitely seems like a wrestling match and it goes on for a long time about as long as the they live fight scene which is another similar scene like a fight scene that looks like wrestling because there's a fucking wrestler in it like that's why right yeah and by the way if if you are a wrestling fan and you have no interest in david fincher movies i totally get it watch this movie you will love this scene in this movie
Guest:Yeah, well, I think, you know, if you're not a fan of David Fincher movies, The Killer plays for fans of many different kinds of movies.
Guest:Are you a fan of Hitchcock?
Guest:Yep.
Guest:You'll like this thing.
Guest:You know, it is great.
Guest:The Killer was a fantastic movie.
Guest:I couldn't recommend it more.
Guest:My best thing in wrestling, I can't avoid it.
Guest:Because he just brings me so much joy in his ability and skill as a performer.
Guest:And I haven't even finished this week's AEW Dynamite.
Guest:But the first match on the show was MJF versus Daniel Garcia.
Guest:And I just can't get over how good Maxwell Jacob Friedman is.
Guest:He is everything a company should want in a world champion.
Guest:World champion doesn't mean you're the best wrestler in the world from a skill point.
Guest:It means you are the performer, like Hulk Hogan was, who will carry this company.
Guest:Your charisma, your star power, your presentation, your knowledge of how to work with the fans.
Guest:And this guy was the most hated heel ever.
Guest:in wrestling for four years and he is now go watch that show from wednesday night the most over baby face in the company huge cheers he has people in the palm of his hand and he hasn't changed his character very much the closest thing i can say to him in wrestling history has been the rock and
Guest:A guy who just basically kept his same persona and went from being a hated heel to a beloved baby face because he's so good at it.
Guest:And when this guy does that thing, he does it every match.
Guest:And it's always funny where he holds his hand out and he tells the opponent sportsmanship and he gets the opponent to either shake his hand or come close to shaking his hand.
Guest:And then he pokes them in the eyes and raises his hands above his head.
Yeah.
Guest:I pop for it every time.
Marc:It's great.
Marc:Yeah, it's great.
Marc:I can't wait for you to finish.
Guest:All right.
Guest:We will check in about that next week.
Guest:I remain a super fan of MJF and I am a super fan of yours, Chris.
Guest:We will.
Guest:We'll do this again next week.
Guest:Thank you for doing this with me each and every Friday.
Guest:And thank you all for listening.
Guest:We'll keep bringing you stuff that you want to hear.
Guest:So send us your comments in the episode description.
Guest:Click on that link.
Guest:Tell us what you want us to talk about.
Guest:And we will.
Guest:And until next time, I'm Brendan and that's Chris.
Guest:Peace.