BONUS Extra John Doe

Episode 734107 • Released December 19, 2023 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Marc:Hey, folks.

00:00:06Marc:Look, I love the band X, and I always love talking to John Doe.

00:00:11Marc:He was just on for a shorty talk about his new movie, and...

00:00:17Marc:One of the things we talked about that you didn't get was we talked about his band X. He also talked a lot about his contemporaries and music in general.

00:00:28Marc:And this is a very good supplement to the first episode of his, which is episode 586.

00:00:34Marc:Here you go.

00:00:36Marc:Dig some John Doe talking music.

00:00:45Marc:I'm always embarrassed about the guitars.

00:00:50Marc:Why?

00:00:51Marc:Because I'm not a real guy.

00:00:53Marc:So whatever.

00:00:54Guest:No.

00:00:55Guest:It's a way to stay young.

00:00:58Marc:It's fun.

00:00:59Marc:But, you know, it's like, you know, when I think about, like, you guys, like X or anybody, it's like my hands hurt.

00:01:07Marc:Yeah.

00:01:08Marc:After a while.

00:01:08Marc:Yeah.

00:01:09Guest:Ours do, too.

00:01:11Yeah.

00:01:11Marc:Do they?

00:01:12Marc:Sure.

00:01:13Marc:After a while.

00:01:14Marc:But I mean, you guys tour every night.

00:01:16Marc:You're playing a full catalog of songs.

00:01:18Marc:And by the third song, my hands would have been fucked up.

00:01:21Marc:They would have been cramping.

00:01:22Marc:Oh, well.

00:01:23Marc:What is that?

00:01:23Marc:That's just practice, I guess.

00:01:25Marc:I think so.

00:01:25Marc:Yeah.

00:01:26Marc:Because you don't even think about it, do you?

00:01:29Guest:You think about how much do I want to run around on stage?

00:01:35Marc:Well, running around is one thing, but the hands are cool.

00:01:37Marc:You don't think about your hands.

00:01:40Marc:Billy does.

00:01:40Marc:Oh, he does?

00:01:42Marc:Yeah.

00:01:42Marc:Well, some guys like him, the real wizards, they get the arthritis, right?

00:01:46Guest:Yeah.

00:01:46Guest:I've got this weird thing now where my thumbs don't lay flat.

00:01:52Guest:Oh, is that from playing?

00:01:54Guest:I think.

00:01:54Guest:Oh, look at that.

00:01:55Guest:Yeah, I know.

00:01:55Marc:That's weird.

00:01:56Marc:That's new?

00:01:58Marc:Like the last five years.

00:01:59Marc:Like I noticed Billy sits down now.

00:02:01Marc:He just sits.

00:02:02Guest:Well, you know why?

00:02:03Guest:No.

00:02:04Guest:I'll give you the inside.

00:02:06Guest:Everybody knows this, but not everybody.

00:02:09Guest:Except for me.

00:02:10Guest:Yeah.

00:02:10Guest:No, it's known, but not everybody.

00:02:12Guest:Yeah.

00:02:13Guest:Well, he had his knees repaired.

00:02:15Guest:Oh, he did.

00:02:15Guest:Right.

00:02:16Guest:So before he got his knees repaired, he was like, fuck, I can't stand there with my Billy Zoom stance.

00:02:23Guest:Yeah, with the wide legs.

00:02:25Guest:Yeah.

00:02:26Guest:I just can't.

00:02:27Guest:So I'm going to sit down.

00:02:28Guest:And then he got his knees repaired and he's fine.

00:02:30Guest:Yeah.

00:02:30Guest:And he just said, fuck this.

00:02:31Guest:Yeah.

00:02:32Guest:It was pretty funny.

00:02:33Guest:I'm just going to, I'm going to be like Les Paul.

00:02:35Guest:And you're like, y'all just do your thing.

00:02:37Guest:I'm going to do mine.

00:02:37Guest:Is that cool?

00:02:38Guest:Okay, fine.

00:02:40Marc:It is fine because the weird thing is when I saw you out there with Los Lobos somewhere, was it in Orange County somewhere outdoors during COVID?

00:02:47Marc:Yeah.

00:02:48Marc:I mean, he's, he's nailing it with all the same energy.

00:02:51Marc:He's just not moving.

00:02:52Marc:Yeah.

00:02:53Yeah.

00:02:53Guest:Yeah.

00:02:54Guest:He still winks at girls and still does his thing.

00:02:57Marc:Well, you know, I think the finger thing is just, I think I hold on too hard.

00:03:00Marc:I don't think I take anything lightly.

00:03:02Marc:Yes.

00:03:03Marc:I think that.

00:03:04Marc:You know?

00:03:04Marc:What?

00:03:05Marc:That's like, you should be a bass player then.

00:03:07Marc:Really?

00:03:07Marc:Yeah.

00:03:07Marc:Because you have to play hard.

00:03:10Marc:Yeah.

00:03:10Marc:But with guitar, you don't have to.

00:03:11Marc:No.

00:03:11Marc:I don't even know why.

00:03:12Marc:I found out Billy Gibbons uses like nines.

00:03:15Marc:Yeah.

00:03:15Marc:Or like a thin pick.

00:03:17Marc:Yeah.

00:03:17Marc:That guy.

00:03:18Marc:Yeah.

00:03:19Marc:I mean, you forget.

00:03:19Marc:Like, I can just turn it up.

00:03:21Marc:I know.

00:03:21Marc:How hard do you got to hit it?

00:03:23Marc:Yeah.

00:03:23Yeah.

00:03:23Marc:So what have you guys been doing?

00:03:24Marc:You've been practicing?

00:03:26Guest:We are rehearsing, making new songs.

00:03:29Guest:One more new record.

00:03:31Guest:We put out one in 2020.

00:03:33Marc:That was good.

00:03:34Marc:I liked it.

00:03:35Guest:Yeah.

00:03:35Guest:It sounded like an X record.

00:03:36Marc:Well, that's what I noticed when I saw you in Orange County.

00:03:40Marc:Everything is just... The thing about the X stuff, it's not dated.

00:03:47Yeah.

00:03:47Guest:Well, we never said, fuck Ronald Reagan.

00:03:50Marc:Right.

00:03:50Guest:Which is smart.

00:03:51Marc:Yeah.

00:03:52Guest:I'll give Maxine credit for that.

00:03:54Marc:Yeah.

00:03:55Marc:But also, it's just the sound.

00:03:57Marc:It just doesn't, in the production, maybe most of the records.

00:04:00Guest:Well, we got a good producer.

00:04:03Guest:Yeah.

00:04:03Guest:That's why we made the record, because we had been talking about it for a while.

00:04:06Marc:This one you're working on now?

00:04:07Marc:No, the last one.

00:04:08Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:04:09Marc:Who was that guy?

00:04:10Yeah.

00:04:10Guest:Rob Schnaff.

00:04:11Marc:Yeah.

00:04:11Guest:And Rob's done a bunch of different pieces.

00:04:13Guest:He started with Beck.

00:04:14Guest:He did the early Beck stuff.

00:04:16Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:04:17Guest:He did a bunch of stuff with Elliott Smith, and he's done a bunch of stuff with Cat Power.

00:04:21Guest:Yeah.

00:04:23Guest:And, you know, also a bunch of rock bands.

00:04:25Marc:Yeah, because those are some soft ones.

00:04:27Guest:Well, he knows songs, and that's good, too.

00:04:30Marc:Yeah.

00:04:31Marc:Yeah, that record was good.

00:04:32Marc:So are you going to go out and tour?

00:04:34Guest:Yeah, well, we're touring all the time.

00:04:36Guest:Really?

00:04:37Yeah.

00:04:37Guest:Like 70, 50 to 70 dates a year.

00:04:41Guest:Holy shit.

00:04:42Guest:Which seems like, oh, that's not so much.

00:04:44Guest:B.B.

00:04:45Guest:King used to do 250, and it's like, yeah.

00:04:48Guest:No life.

00:04:49Marc:Yeah.

00:04:49Marc:You know what I mean?

00:04:50Marc:When you're doing 250 dates.

00:04:51Marc:Yeah.

00:04:53Guest:What's the last thing we did?

00:04:54Guest:We did like August for about 10 days.

00:05:00Guest:And what are the venues?

00:05:01Marc:Who do you go out with?

00:05:02Marc:Who do you take with you?

00:05:03Guest:Well, the last one we did was Squirrel Nut Zippers, which is super fun.

00:05:06Guest:Yeah.

00:05:08Guest:Jimbo's a total nut.

00:05:10Guest:Yeah.

00:05:10Guest:Or we just do like a local opener or we'll go with somebody.

00:05:14Guest:We did a band called Skating Polly.

00:05:17Guest:Youngsters.

00:05:18Guest:They're awesome.

00:05:19Guest:Yeah.

00:05:19Guest:Daxine did a record with them.

00:05:21Guest:They put out 10 records.

00:05:23Guest:And I think the oldest sister is 24, 23.

00:05:30Guest:Daxine did a record with them several years ago.

00:05:34Guest:And they were like 9 and 12.

00:05:35Guest:Come on.

00:05:36Guest:Yeah.

00:05:37Guest:That's nuts.

00:05:37Guest:They play kind of punk rock stuff.

00:05:39Guest:Yeah.

00:05:39Guest:Skating poly.

00:05:40Marc:Yeah.

00:05:40Guest:They're awesome.

00:05:41Marc:But do you know what's weird, though, about X is, like, no one sounds like you guys.

00:05:45Guest:Well, that's good, I guess.

00:05:48Guest:You know, everybody had.

00:05:49Guest:No, it's great.

00:05:50Guest:Everybody had their own thing.

00:05:51Marc:It's that harmony, man.

00:05:52Marc:That harmonies and that drive.

00:05:54Marc:But, like, you know, punk in general, generalized punk seems to be pretty easy to cop.

00:05:58Marc:But not what you guys are doing.

00:06:00Wow.

00:06:00Guest:Well, it depends on, I think it depends on what year.

00:06:05Guest:Yeah.

00:06:05Guest:You know, like all the New York bands, they were all different.

00:06:08Guest:All the London bands, the first wave.

00:06:10Guest:That's true.

00:06:10Guest:It was different.

00:06:10Guest:They were very different.

00:06:11Guest:All different.

00:06:12Guest:And same with Los Angeles.

00:06:14Guest:Yeah.

00:06:15Guest:And then it became a little more codified and whatever.

00:06:17Guest:I wonder who did that.

00:06:18Guest:I don't know.

00:06:18Guest:I think it was Green Day.

00:06:20Guest:I don't know.

00:06:21Marc:I think Green Day made it codified.

00:06:23Guest:Yeah, except that Billy Joe can write a motherfucking song.

00:06:27Guest:Yeah.

00:06:28Guest:He can write a song.

00:06:30Guest:We did the strangest thing.

00:06:33Guest:Yeah.

00:06:33Guest:My daughter was working.

00:06:35Guest:She does production.

00:06:36Guest:Right.

00:06:36Guest:So Salesforce has their big thing up in the Bay Area.

00:06:40Guest:Yeah.

00:06:41Guest:That's a band?

00:06:42Guest:No, Salesforce is a band.

00:06:44Guest:You know, business to business software shit.

00:06:47Guest:It's like a giant company.

00:06:49Guest:Tech company.

00:06:49Guest:Right.

00:06:50Guest:So they have a big conference there.

00:06:53Guest:And they rented out the AT&T Park, like the baseball team's park.

00:06:59Guest:Right.

00:06:59Guest:And Blondie and Green Day played.

00:07:02Guest:And so we had just toured with Blondie.

00:07:03Guest:So we went and saw him.

00:07:04Guest:And also my daughter was running the backstage.

00:07:06Guest:And I'm like, cool, we get in there.

00:07:08Guest:Yeah.

00:07:08Guest:So it starts raining.

00:07:10Guest:Yeah.

00:07:11Guest:And they're all out there in ponchos and, you know, all these techie dudes standing on the infield watching Blondie.

00:07:18Guest:Yeah.

00:07:18Guest:And it really starts raining.

00:07:19Guest:Yeah.

00:07:19Guest:And then Green Day goes on and the tarp, some like plastic, you know, blue tarp.

00:07:26Guest:Yeah.

00:07:26Guest:Over the soundboard.

00:07:27Marc:Like the kind you put on your roof.

00:07:28Guest:Yeah.

00:07:29Guest:Exactly.

00:07:30Guest:Yeah.

00:07:30Guest:It's just hung over the soundboard.

00:07:32Guest:Yeah.

00:07:33Guest:It fills up with rain and...

00:07:35Guest:Dumps onto the soundboard.

00:07:36Guest:Boom.

00:07:37Guest:No sound.

00:07:38Guest:Nothing.

00:07:39Guest:Right?

00:07:39Guest:Yeah.

00:07:39Guest:They just paid Green Day like two million bucks or whatever the fuck to do this thing.

00:07:44Guest:And it's like, whoops.

00:07:45Guest:And that was it?

00:07:46Guest:Somebody.

00:07:46Guest:End of day?

00:07:47Guest:No.

00:07:47Guest:No, that's the crazy thing.

00:07:49Guest:Yeah.

00:07:49Guest:Like, the show went down because nobody had the sense to take a broom stick and go.

00:07:56Guest:Yeah, pop that thing up.

00:07:58Guest:Right.

00:07:58Guest:Get the rain off this.

00:07:59Guest:Right?

00:08:00Yeah.

00:08:00Guest:So what does Billy Joe do?

00:08:03Guest:Who's like, he's a pal of mine since living up in the Bay Area.

00:08:07Guest:And he just gets his electric guitar and he starts a song.

00:08:12Guest:Straight into the amp.

00:08:14Guest:He just sings to the people that are there.

00:08:17Guest:Everybody sings along.

00:08:20Guest:And he's just playing the chords.

00:08:21Guest:And everybody knows that song.

00:08:22Guest:And then he plays another song.

00:08:24Guest:And he plays another.

00:08:24Guest:And, like, I don't have all the Green Day records.

00:08:27Guest:Right.

00:08:27Guest:But I knew most of those songs as well.

00:08:29Guest:Yeah.

00:08:30Marc:So he's playing with the band or just him plugged directly in?

00:08:33Guest:Him, no mic.

00:08:34Guest:Wow.

00:08:35Guest:And everybody, like, there's...

00:08:37Guest:5,000 people in front and there's another 30 in the back.

00:08:41Guest:And they're all singing because they can hear it.

00:08:42Guest:Yeah.

00:08:43Guest:Wow.

00:08:44Guest:Because they know the song.

00:08:45Marc:Well, that's a $2 million experience.

00:08:47Guest:It's like, it was insane.

00:08:50Guest:It's emotional.

00:08:52Guest:Yeah.

00:08:52Guest:Well, he could have done two or three songs and said, okay, folks, sorry, you know, got to go.

00:08:56Guest:There's no PA.

00:08:57Guest:Yeah.

00:08:57Guest:He did like eight.

00:08:58Guest:Yeah.

00:08:59Guest:Or more.

00:08:59Guest:And then they finally rewired the thing so they could run it through the monitor board and put it into the mains and whatever.

00:09:05Marc:So then he did the rest of the show amplified?

00:09:07Guest:Then the band came out and did the rest of the show.

00:09:09Guest:Holy shit.

00:09:11Guest:That's being a trooper.

00:09:12Guest:A pro.

00:09:13Marc:Yeah.

00:09:13Marc:So we also...

00:09:15Marc:You know, you could call it, but then you got to negotiate a reschedule.

00:09:21Marc:You don't get your bread.

00:09:23Marc:It's a trooper, but they're sort of like, we got to make this contract work.

00:09:27Guest:But he had the, you know, Green Day has the songs.

00:09:30Marc:Well, I mean, do you, how do you, you guys are friends since he was a kid or like?

00:09:33Guest:No, no, we just, we met, you know, through a couple different people and Green Day were supporters of X. Yeah.

00:09:39Guest:I think Axine actually made a solo record on that album.

00:09:43Guest:What was the label up there?

00:09:45Guest:Lookout?

00:09:46Guest:I don't know.

00:09:46Guest:Something.

00:09:48Marc:So, Blondie, how'd they sound?

00:09:51Guest:Oh, they're incredible.

00:09:52Marc:Is it all the same?

00:09:53Marc:Everyone's there?

00:09:54Guest:All the original crew?

00:09:55Guest:No, it's just... Someone passed away?

00:09:57Guest:No, everybody's alive.

00:10:00Guest:Chris Stein has had some hand problems and some physical problems.

00:10:07Guest:But Clem and Debbie are the two originals.

00:10:11Guest:And they sounded good.

00:10:12Guest:They sounded great.

00:10:13Guest:It's weird.

00:10:15Guest:Maybe Iggy, but there's nobody cooler than Debbie Harry.

00:10:17Marc:Yeah.

00:10:19Marc:That's probably true.

00:10:20Marc:Yeah.

00:10:20Marc:Yeah, I never interviewed her.

00:10:22Marc:But that whole gang, you know, it's weird.

00:10:24Marc:When you go out there...

00:10:27Marc:You're playing small theaters and big clubs kind of deal?

00:10:30Marc:Yeah.

00:10:31Marc:What are you looking out at?

00:10:33Marc:Guys our age?

00:10:34Marc:Guys your age?

00:10:35Marc:Kids?

00:10:36Marc:Everybody.

00:10:36Marc:Everyone's there?

00:10:37Guest:Multigenerational.

00:10:39Marc:Because when I saw you at Los Lobos, it was kind of interesting because there was that old school kind of rockabilly L.A.

00:10:45Marc:crew for some reason.

00:10:47Marc:A lot of Latinos.

00:10:49Marc:A lot of aggravated looking rockabilly white guys.

00:10:55Yeah.

00:10:56Marc:It's an interesting mix.

00:10:57Guest:No, it's young and old, and God bless them.

00:11:02Marc:How are those guys doing?

00:11:03Marc:You talk to those guys?

00:11:04Marc:Love was?

00:11:05Guest:Yeah.

00:11:05Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:11:06Guest:Well, I talk to Steve a lot, Steve Berlin.

00:11:08Marc:Because it seemed like they were just trying to pull it together, and then Phil Alvin came out.

00:11:11Marc:It's a blaster, too.

00:11:13Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:11:14Guest:Oh, that was at the Pacific Amphitheater.

00:11:18Guest:Yeah.

00:11:19Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:11:19Marc:But Phil came out.

00:11:20Marc:He looked like a ghost.

00:11:22Marc:Yeah.

00:11:22Guest:Phil's had a lot of physical problems.

00:11:23Guest:Is he still alive?

00:11:24Guest:Yeah.

00:11:25Guest:Phil's still around.

00:11:25Guest:He's trying to get it together, but he's had a lot of physical problems.

00:11:30Marc:The voice sounded great, though.

00:11:31Marc:Yes.

00:11:32Marc:Right?

00:11:33Marc:It was so sad because, you know, that night was like Dave was there, too.

00:11:35Marc:He played with you guys or Las Lobos.

00:11:37Marc:I don't remember.

00:11:37Marc:He played with Lobos, yeah.

00:11:38Marc:And they don't talk.

00:11:40Marc:The brothers really don't talk.

00:11:41Marc:No, they do.

00:11:41Marc:They do now?

00:11:42Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:11:43Guest:Oh, good.

00:11:43Guest:Especially since Phil's had some physical problems.

00:11:49Guest:Yeah.

00:11:49Guest:Dave is doing the right thing.

00:11:51Guest:Oh, that's nice.

00:11:51Guest:Yeah.

00:11:52Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:11:53Guest:They're very close.

00:11:54Marc:Oh, that makes my heart feel better.

00:11:57Marc:So what's going on?

00:11:58Marc:And how are you guys getting along?

00:11:59Marc:How's that scene?

00:12:01Guest:We're great.

00:12:01Guest:Yeah.

00:12:01Guest:You know?

00:12:02Guest:Here's the funny thing is people say, oh my God, you live in Texas.

00:12:06Guest:How's that?

00:12:07Guest:And I say, don't you live like 90 miles south of Bakersfield, motherfucker?

00:12:14Marc:You moved to Texas?

00:12:15Guest:Yeah.

00:12:15Guest:Where?

00:12:16Guest:About seven years, Austin.

00:12:17Marc:Oh, you're in Austin?

00:12:18Marc:Yeah.

00:12:19Guest:Huh.

00:12:20Guest:How's that going?

00:12:21Guest:It's great.

00:12:22Guest:Is it?

00:12:22Guest:I made a solo record there because the musicians are just awesome.

00:12:27Guest:Sure.

00:12:27Guest:And we just sat up in a room and played.

00:12:30Guest:It was during COVID.

00:12:31Marc:Oh, I used to do an impression when I go to Austin and I do comedy.

00:12:37Marc:I do an impression of every musician in Austin.

00:12:40Marc:I just say, I'm back.

00:12:45Wow.

00:12:46Guest:That's true.

00:12:47Guest:That's true.

00:12:49Guest:But, you know, the honky-tonk culture is real.

00:12:53Guest:It is totally real.

00:12:54Guest:It's still holding on?

00:12:55Guest:Absolutely.

00:12:56Marc:It's evolved.

00:12:57Guest:No, it is the same sort of thing.

00:13:00Guest:And it's crazy.

00:13:01Guest:There are dance halls.

00:13:03Guest:Yeah.

00:13:04Guest:that will hold like 200, 300 people in these tiny towns.

00:13:11Guest:Oh, right.

00:13:12Guest:And they're still like the same as they always were.

00:13:14Guest:Really?

00:13:15Guest:It's fucking crazy.

00:13:16Marc:Like with just country music or local conjunto music?

00:13:19Guest:Mostly just honky tonk.

00:13:21Marc:Oh, okay.

00:13:22Guest:Dale Watson.

00:13:23Guest:No accordions?

00:13:25Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:13:28Guest:If you go down San Antonio.

00:13:29Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:13:30Guest:Yeah, San Antonio is awesome.

00:13:31Marc:And these bands, are they just circuit guys?

00:13:33Marc:Do they have records and everything?

00:13:36Marc:Yeah.

00:13:36Guest:Huh.

00:13:37Guest:There are people like first name, last name guys.

00:13:39Guest:Yeah.

00:13:40Guest:What do you mean?

00:13:41Guest:Well, like Zach Bryan, who's become huge now.

00:13:44Guest:Yeah.

00:13:45Guest:But first name, last name guys.

00:13:46Guest:Yeah.

00:13:46Guest:That's something my wife made up.

00:13:49Marc:Oh, I see.

00:13:50Guest:I see.

00:13:50Marc:First name, like... Yeah, yeah.

00:13:52Marc:Cody Rockingham.

00:13:54Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:55Marc:They've all got the full... Cody something, you know.

00:13:57Marc:It's the country music equivalent to porn star names.

00:14:02Marc:They've got to have some... Kind of sound like maybe that could be a dog's name or just a cowboy.

00:14:06Guest:It's just a first name, last name guy.

00:14:08Guest:But there are guys like that in Texas that will draw...

00:14:11Guest:Like 5,000 people and they never go out of Texas because they don't have to.

00:14:16Guest:Regional.

00:14:16Guest:They just do like a circuit.

00:14:18Guest:Yeah.

00:14:18Guest:And it serves a purpose.

00:14:20Guest:It's a little bit of bro country.

00:14:22Guest:Yeah, I'll say.

00:14:24Guest:Well, I mean, you know, like I like beer.

00:14:26Guest:You like beer.

00:14:27Guest:You like beer.

00:14:28Guest:I like, you know, that kind of thing.

00:14:29Guest:But not like, I don't like Jews.

00:14:30Guest:I don't know.

00:14:32Guest:I don't know about that.

00:14:34Guest:But, you know, you're talking about how the band is doing.

00:14:39Guest:Well, I mean, hold on one sec.

00:14:41Marc:So they do the circuit, and the reason they can, because, like, when you're a touring comic, you sort of got to put a new set together, you know, every year so you get the people and surprise them.

00:14:49Marc:But I imagine if part of it is a dance, if part of it is a party, they don't mind hearing those old songs, right?

00:14:56Guest:Absolutely.

00:14:57Guest:Yeah.

00:14:57Guest:And it's a sound and it's an experience.

00:15:01Marc:You hang out with Alejandro?

00:15:03Guest:Yeah, I see him now and then.

00:15:04Marc:Yeah.

00:15:05Guest:Yeah.

00:15:05Guest:He wrote some good songs.

00:15:07Guest:Yeah, he's great.

00:15:08Guest:Yeah.

00:15:09Guest:He's doing a Texas songwriter thing in January I'm going to be part of.

00:15:14Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:15:14Guest:In Austin, yeah.

00:15:15Guest:Who else is that?

00:15:17Guest:Oh, God, I don't know who else is playing.

00:15:19Guest:Rodney Crowell.

00:15:20Guest:Maybe.

00:15:20Marc:I just saw Rodney Crowell.

00:15:21Guest:Yeah.

00:15:21Guest:Did you see Jimmy Vaughn around?

00:15:23Guest:I did.

00:15:23Guest:I saw him at a, he did a movie premiere.

00:15:27Guest:There was a movie of him and his brother.

00:15:28Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:15:29Guest:It's not a great movie, but they're still working on it.

00:15:32Guest:I like the way he plays.

00:15:33Guest:Oh, Jimmy's awesome.

00:15:34Guest:Right?

00:15:35Guest:Yeah.

00:15:35Guest:We did that movie, Great Balls of Fire.

00:15:37Guest:Yeah.

00:15:38Guest:Just about killed us.

00:15:39Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:15:40Guest:Oh, God.

00:15:40Guest:That was a while back.

00:15:42Guest:Yeah.

00:15:42Guest:That was like 30 years ago.

00:15:43Guest:Yeah.

00:15:44Guest:Back in the bad old days.

00:15:45Guest:Who was that?

00:15:46Guest:Dennis Quaid?

00:15:47Guest:Dennis Quaid played Jerry.

00:15:48Guest:Yeah.

00:15:49Guest:Did you know Jerry?

00:15:50Guest:I met him a couple times.

00:15:51Guest:Was he on set?

00:15:53Guest:Yeah.

00:15:54Guest:He threatened to close down the whole production like the night before it was going to start.

00:15:58Guest:He's still alive, I think.

00:15:59Guest:Isn't he?

00:15:59Guest:He passed away just recently.

00:16:00Guest:He did?

00:16:01Guest:Yeah.

00:16:01Guest:He was the last man standing, which is freaking crazy.

00:16:05Yeah.

00:16:05Marc:That old devil.

00:16:08Guest:Devil being the operative word.

00:16:09Guest:Yeah, man.

00:16:10Marc:But I think, like, you know, your vibe, you know, kind of probably owes him a little bit of a tip of the hat.

00:16:15Marc:Oh, sure.

00:16:16Guest:The pace.

00:16:18Guest:Yeah.

00:16:18Guest:Right?

00:16:19Guest:We had him...

00:16:20Guest:quote, co-headline open for X once.

00:16:24Guest:It was at the, when it was called, what was the, you know, the amphitheater, now it's called the Gibson Amphitheater.

00:16:31Guest:It's in North Hollywood.

00:16:33Marc:Oh, the smaller Greek?

00:16:35Marc:Yeah, the one where Patti Smith played recently, it's outdoors?

00:16:38Guest:No, no, it's, oh God, it's the one that's like right off of the Hollywood, anyway, it was the Minutemen.

00:16:46Guest:And Jerry Lee Lewis, an ex.

00:16:49Guest:That's nuts.

00:16:50Marc:I know.

00:16:51Marc:Was that in the 80s?

00:16:52Guest:Yeah.

00:16:53Marc:The Minuteman.

00:16:54Marc:Yeah.

00:16:54Marc:You talked to what?

00:16:56Guest:Yeah.

00:16:57Guest:Yeah, I talked to him.

00:16:58Guest:The crazy thing was, is when I first saw, when I first met Jerry Lee, his manager, Jerry Sheff, said...

00:17:07Guest:You know, Jerry Lee, these guys are the guys that did Breathless.

00:17:10Guest:Yeah, that's right.

00:17:12Guest:You know, you played with him over at the Universal Amphitheater.

00:17:15Guest:Yeah.

00:17:16Guest:That's what it was called.

00:17:16Guest:Yeah.

00:17:18Guest:And Jerry Lee cocks his head like he did.

00:17:20Guest:Yeah.

00:17:21Guest:Gives you that, like, snake stare.

00:17:24Guest:Yeah.

00:17:25Guest:Like, oh, fuck.

00:17:26Guest:Oh, fuck.

00:17:27Guest:Oh, no.

00:17:27Guest:Yeah.

00:17:28Guest:Looks at him.

00:17:30Guest:Y'all did a great version of that thing.

00:17:31Guest:It's like, oh, God, thank you.

00:17:33Guest:Thank you, Jesus.

00:17:35Guest:Because he could just tear your new asshole.

00:17:39Marc:Yeah.

00:17:39Marc:So speaking to how you were getting along with the band.

00:17:43Guest:Oh, just, you know, you got to pick your battles.

00:17:47Guest:And, you know, like if there's political differences and stuff like that, it's like, fuck it.

00:17:53Guest:You're my brother.

00:17:54Guest:You're my sister.

00:17:56Guest:We are family.

00:17:57Guest:Families are complicated.

00:17:59Guest:Sure.

00:17:59Guest:Hello.

00:18:00Guest:Yeah.

00:18:01Guest:But, you know, it's like I don't mind living in Texas where you got to fucking get along.

00:18:06Marc:Yeah.

00:18:06Marc:And also, like, I mean, you know, you're there to play music.

00:18:09Marc:Yeah.

00:18:10Marc:Not to argue about bullshit.

00:18:11Marc:Exactly.

00:18:12Marc:I mean, you can argue about music.

00:18:14Guest:Yeah.

00:18:15Marc:Do you?

00:18:15Yeah.

00:18:17Guest:Uh, no.

00:18:19Guest:Really?

00:18:19Guest:We do see things pretty much eye to eye on music.

00:18:23Guest:Who's writing most of the songs in the new one?

00:18:25Guest:Xena and me.

00:18:26Guest:Yeah?

00:18:27Guest:Yeah.

00:18:27Guest:But it's funny because like on the last one as well, Billy and DJ are more vocal about what they like or what we could do.

00:18:37Guest:And they maybe have, yeah.

00:18:39Guest:So we shared all the songwriting on the last one.

00:18:43Guest:I'm not sure about this one, but.

00:18:44Guest:Yeah.

00:18:46Guest:Xena and I have been doing a lot of the heavy lifting.

00:18:48Guest:Where's she living?

00:18:50Guest:She lives in Orange.

00:18:51Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:18:51Guest:Yeah.

00:18:52Guest:Orange, California.

00:18:53Guest:So does Billy.

00:18:53Guest:And DJ lives up in the valley.

00:18:56Guest:Uh-huh.

00:18:56Guest:And you're the one in Austin.

00:18:58Guest:Yeah.

00:18:59Marc:Why'd you choose that?

00:19:00Marc:Just because?

00:19:01Guest:Of the music culture?

00:19:02Guest:Yeah, it was partly.

00:19:03Guest:I got a lot of pals there.

00:19:04Guest:Yeah.

00:19:06Guest:Sweetheart, now wife.

00:19:08Guest:We just got married about a year and a half ago.

00:19:10Guest:Graduations.

00:19:11Guest:Yeah, well, we were together for about 13 years.

00:19:14Guest:She didn't want to rush into anything.

00:19:15Guest:Yeah, I know how that goes.

00:19:16Guest:After about four years, I was like, babe, let's do this.

00:19:19Marc:I was like, oh, really?

00:19:21Marc:Is she the second wife?

00:19:23Guest:Yeah.

00:19:24Guest:Third, actually.

00:19:24Guest:Third, yeah.

00:19:27Guest:Keep trying.

00:19:27Guest:No, third time's the charm.

00:19:29Guest:But yeah, she's a native Texan.

00:19:33Guest:And we could afford to live there.

00:19:34Guest:We were living up in the Bay Area, and there's no way I could buy a house.

00:19:37Guest:You can still afford to live in Austin?

00:19:39Guest:Because Austin seems to be changing, too.

00:19:40Guest:Well, it was seven years ago.

00:19:43Guest:Oh, okay.

00:19:44Marc:But isn't there a lot of money, a lot of building, a lot of construction, traffic now?

00:19:47Guest:Fuck.

00:19:48Guest:Yeah.

00:19:48Guest:But, you know, traffic, quote.

00:19:50Guest:No, I get it.

00:19:50Guest:Traffic and quotes.

00:19:52Guest:People say, oh, God, the traffic here is terrible.

00:19:55Guest:It takes you 20 minutes instead of taking you 10 minutes.

00:19:58Marc:Right.

00:19:59Guest:Yeah.

00:19:59Marc:Everywhere you go, it's 45 to an hour.

00:20:02Guest:It's either that.

00:20:02Guest:You're either horribly late or you're horribly early.

00:20:05Guest:It's like, what the hell?

00:20:06Marc:Yeah, you still got a place out here?

00:20:07Marc:No.

00:20:08Marc:Oh, just hanging out?

00:20:09Guest:Friends?

00:20:10Guest:Stay at friends' houses sometimes or just a hotel.

00:20:14Marc:You know, I was thinking about that honky-tonk culture as I was in Tulsa, that Kane Ballroom.

00:20:17Marc:Oh, it's awesome.

00:20:18Marc:How great is that place?

00:20:20Marc:That's from that world, right?

00:20:21Guest:We saw each other there when Mavis Staples played.

00:20:24Marc:That's right.

00:20:24Marc:You were hanging out.

00:20:25Marc:It was the opening of the Dillon Center.

00:20:27Marc:Yeah.

00:20:27Guest:That's right.

00:20:28Guest:I've done some work at the Guthrie Center.

00:20:31Guest:Yeah.

00:20:32Guest:They were asking some people to write a few words, nice words, about the Dillon Center, and a couple of people got in there and listened to tapes and saw some of the memorabilia.

00:20:47Guest:It was a pretty damn good museum.

00:20:50Guest:You know who doesn't give a shit?

00:20:51Guest:Dillon.

00:20:56Guest:Dillon.

00:20:56Marc:Yeah.

00:20:58Guest:I know.

00:20:58Marc:It's crazy, dude.

00:20:59Marc:That guy's just sort of like, nah, the past is the past.

00:21:01Marc:Fuck it.

00:21:02Marc:You meet that guy?

00:21:03Guest:Yeah.

00:21:04Guest:Yeah.

00:21:04Guest:I've hung out with Bob a few times.

00:21:06Guest:Yeah?

00:21:06Guest:Uncle Bob.

00:21:07Guest:Yeah?

00:21:07Marc:Is that interesting?

00:21:09Guest:It is.

00:21:09Guest:Yeah?

00:21:09Guest:It is.

00:21:10Guest:It's beautiful.

00:21:11Guest:I mean, and he's a super complicated guy, but he's also very down to earth.

00:21:17Guest:Yeah.

00:21:17Guest:First time we hung out in a hotel room.

00:21:20Guest:Yeah.

00:21:20Guest:It was Billy and Exene and him and his son.

00:21:24Guest:Yeah.

00:21:24Guest:It was Jesse.

00:21:25Guest:Yeah.

00:21:26Yeah.

00:21:26Guest:And he said, so what have you been up to?

00:21:30Guest:And I said, well, I've been fishing with Exene's dad.

00:21:34Guest:Yeah.

00:21:35Guest:We were down in Florida.

00:21:36Guest:Yeah.

00:21:37Guest:He goes, oh, I've been fishing.

00:21:38Guest:So he talked about fishing for like a half an hour.

00:21:42Guest:And then at the very end, you know, talked about old string band music.

00:21:46Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:21:47Guest:Yeah.

00:21:47Guest:You know, he's always pretty fascinating.

00:21:51Yeah.

00:21:51Guest:I get, you know, he still loves being the big dog.

00:21:54Guest:You know, that's why I put out that, that record that, uh, rough and rowdy ways, you know, and he gets a lot of inspiration and he, he, you know, um, does all this stuff, uh, you know, puts it together and there's some things that are, that are, uh, you know, he just absorbs and just puts it out.

00:22:09Guest:It's amazing.

00:22:11Yeah.

00:22:11Marc:Yeah, I get, well, I don't know what my resentment is after a certain point, but like I just, you know, I got very mad at that really long song on that record.

00:22:23Guest:As you can, as you do, as one does.

00:22:28Marc:It's like, you know, at some point when you, and I don't know why I get hung up on it, but you mentioned Don Henley in the song.

00:22:33Marc:I'm like, you gotta be, that's a stretch.

00:22:36Yeah.

00:22:36Marc:You know, I mean, I got nothing against Henley, but why is, you know, I just don't.

00:22:40Marc:Mentioned everybody else.

00:22:41Guest:Exactly.

00:22:42Marc:It's just sort of like maybe he was short a couple songs and he just kind of let it, you know, fly.

00:22:47Marc:Yeah.

00:22:47Marc:There's a couple of great songs on that record, but I don't know what I always say about Dylan.

00:22:51Marc:It's like, all right, man, this guy just wants to die on a bus.

00:22:54Guest:You know what I mean?

00:22:55Guest:Well, you know, Merle got carried out to his bus to actually pass away.

00:22:58Guest:Come on.

00:22:59Guest:I'm not joking.

00:23:00Guest:Where'd you hear that?

00:23:01Guest:It was in the papers.

00:23:02Marc:Yeah.

00:23:03Yeah.

00:23:03Guest:Huh.

00:23:04Guest:Yeah, he was at his house, and he said, take me out to the bus.

00:23:07Marc:And that's where it went?

00:23:08Guest:He went down?

00:23:09Guest:I think so.

00:23:10Guest:Oh, my God.

00:23:10Guest:But the thing about that Dylan record is that Charlie Sexton was the band leader.

00:23:16Guest:Yeah, he's great, dude.

00:23:17Guest:And what's the bass player named Tony?

00:23:20Guest:I can't remember his name.

00:23:22Guest:Who's been with Bob for a long time.

00:23:24Marc:Sexton's in Austin, no?

00:23:25Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:23:25Guest:Yeah.

00:23:26Guest:Well, when he's not...

00:23:27Guest:doing some other fancy thing like playing with Elvis Costello.

00:23:31Marc:I saw him with Elvis Costello.

00:23:32Marc:Did you go to that show when, were you in Texas, were you in Tulsa that night?

00:23:35Marc:No.

00:23:36Marc:The mix was off and it drove me nuts.

00:23:38Marc:I couldn't listen.

00:23:39Marc:Yeah.

00:23:39Marc:I don't know why because I saw Patti Smith and Mavis in there.

00:23:41Marc:They were great.

00:23:42Marc:Yeah.

00:23:42Marc:And then Elvis was in there and it was just, you know, sometimes when a mix is grating.

00:23:46Marc:Yes.

00:23:47Marc:And you don't even know why.

00:23:49Guest:Well, usually it's because the kick drum is too damn loud for me.

00:23:52Marc:Oh, maybe that was it.

00:23:54Marc:Yeah.

00:23:54Marc:So when you guys are like, are you doing,

00:23:57Marc:Does your tone and sound, you know, in terms of X songs, I mean, the harmonies are, you know, the signature, but do you ever find yourself saying like, you know, let's go, let's take a chance here and do something totally different.

00:24:09Guest:We're going to try it on this new record.

00:24:10Guest:Oh, you are.

00:24:11Guest:Yeah.

00:24:11Guest:We're going to try to do some, some stuff with vibes and saxophone.

00:24:15Guest:Really?

00:24:15Guest:We've been doing that lately.

00:24:16Guest:Yeah.

00:24:17Yeah.

00:24:17Guest:And DJ is a great vibes player.

00:24:20Guest:Yeah?

00:24:21Guest:Yeah.

00:24:21Guest:And Billy plays sax.

00:24:22Guest:I mean, he's very melodic.

00:24:23Guest:It's nothing like Ornette Coleman or something crazy like that.

00:24:27Guest:Right.

00:24:28Guest:But we're going to try some stuff out, yeah.

00:24:30Guest:Why not?

00:24:30Guest:It's going to be our last record, so just fuck it.

00:24:33Marc:Have you said that before, though?

00:24:35Guest:No.

00:24:35Marc:All right.

00:24:36Marc:Yeah.

00:24:37Marc:All right.

00:24:37Marc:Are you doing any covers?

00:24:40Marc:No.

00:24:41Marc:You doing any covers on the road?

00:24:42Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:24:43Marc:What do you got?

00:24:44Marc:Breathless?

00:24:44Marc:You do Breathless?

00:24:45Guest:We do Breathless.

00:24:46Guest:We do Soul Kitchen.

00:24:47Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:49Guest:We do a song Dancing with Tears in My Eyes, which is an old Tin Pan Alley song.

00:24:52Guest:Oh, really?

00:24:53Guest:Yeah, we put that on the third record.

00:24:56Guest:I learned it from a Lead Belly record.

00:25:00Marc:Oh, Lead Belly.

00:25:02Guest:It's a beautiful song.

00:25:03Marc:I was watching the Meat Puppets the other day.

00:25:05Marc:They're awesome.

00:25:06Marc:There's no way to define that stuff.

00:25:09Marc:Like every album is sort of like, what is going on?

00:25:12Marc:Yeah, well.

00:25:12Guest:They're wild.

00:25:13Guest:We live out in the desert.

00:25:15Marc:Yeah.

00:25:15Marc:Strange shit happens.

00:25:16Marc:Yeah, I got sent some stuff.

00:25:18Marc:I don't know.

00:25:18Marc:It was great.

00:25:19Marc:So what's the plan then?

00:25:20Marc:Just to finish the record now?

00:25:22Guest:Yeah, we're going to... Well, actually, we're playing this big festival down in Huntington Beach called Darker Waves on Saturday.

00:25:29Guest:Oh, wow.

00:25:29Guest:It's got Tears for Fears and...

00:25:32Guest:Devo and New Order and Echo and the Bunnymen and the Psychedelic Furs and all these bands.

00:25:41Guest:That's like 50 bands in one day.

00:25:43Guest:I don't know how they're going to do it, but we get to do that and they're going to pay us an exorbitant amount of money.

00:25:47Guest:Really?

00:25:48Guest:Yes.

00:25:48Guest:That's great.

00:25:49Guest:Like that.

00:25:50Marc:Do you feel, I mean, I don't know how this kind of question lands, but do you feel like a nostalgia act?

00:25:57Yeah.

00:25:57Marc:No.

00:25:58Marc:Good.

00:25:58Marc:I don't.

00:25:59Guest:I mean, we sort of sidestepped that because we don't have like the two hits or whatever.

00:26:03Guest:Right, right, sure.

00:26:05Guest:And we played with Psychedelic first.

00:26:08Guest:We did a couple of tours with them, and they put out a new record as well, which is so good.

00:26:13Guest:It was in 2020, I think.

00:26:15Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:26:17Guest:But they have this dark undertone.

00:26:19Guest:Yeah.

00:26:20Guest:And Richard Butler is like one of the quintessential lead singers.

00:26:23Guest:Yeah, for sure.

00:26:24Guest:He has a great voice, but he has this savoir faire.

00:26:27Guest:He's just very, oh, my man, come over here.

00:26:32Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:26:33Guest:And he has this, so, yeah, I don't feel...

00:26:36Guest:We've done a few tours, like we did one with Squeeze, and that was a little off.

00:26:42Guest:It didn't really work.

00:26:43Guest:Right.

00:26:44Guest:And then we did a couple shows with Violent Femmes, and that seemed to... That was better.

00:26:49Guest:It was cool.

00:26:51Marc:With Squeeze, I mean, that's like pop and you're punk in a way.

00:26:56Marc:Yeah, it was a little odd.

00:26:57Guest:Yeah, but... Psych Furs was awesome.

00:27:00Guest:Sure.

00:27:01Guest:I just saw Gang of Four.

00:27:02Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:27:03Marc:Not too long ago, and they're fucking...

00:27:05Marc:like they do it man but the lead singer gang of four he's he's older than you yeah and you make the adjustment pretty old yeah i'm getting there yeah i'm up there you look good but look i mean yeah i know i mean this fucking new stones album dude i mean it's fine but like jagger like there you know i mean i haven't even heard it yet but i'm uh i guess i'll have to

00:27:28Marc:Well, there's a couple of, like my friend Dean said, he's like, on every Stones record, there's probably two great Stones songs.

00:27:35Marc:Yes.

00:27:36Marc:And that's what you're getting.

00:27:37Marc:That's pretty good.

00:27:37Marc:Right.

00:27:38Marc:That's pretty damn good if it's a great Rolling Stones song.

00:27:42Marc:And now Keith, like, they're all, like, Keith, for years it didn't seem like he talked much, but now he's just everywhere.

00:27:48Marc:Yeah.

00:27:48Marc:Just talking.

00:27:50Guest:You know, he's got a great voice.

00:27:51Marc:He's got great.

00:27:52Marc:We tell story.

00:27:53Guest:Yeah.

00:27:53Marc:But he's got, he's smart guy.

00:27:55Marc:Yeah, he is.

00:27:56Marc:Those knuckles, man.

00:27:57Marc:His knuckles.

00:27:58Marc:What a fucking mess.

00:27:59Marc:Yeah.

00:28:01Marc:I'm glad you should be happy.

00:28:03Marc:Your hands still work.

00:28:04Marc:Yeah, I am.

00:28:04Guest:Yeah.

00:28:06Guest:Yeah.

00:28:06Guest:That's the thing.

00:28:06Guest:You get a little older and it's like, it's my birthday.

00:28:09Guest:Woo.

00:28:10Marc:Yeah.

00:28:11Guest:Your fifties are going like, oh shit, it's coming.

00:28:13Marc:I just turned 60.

00:28:14Guest:Yeah.

00:28:15Marc:Yeah.

00:28:15Marc:And I, I don't know what to do with it.

00:28:17Guest:uh well there's nothing you can do there's nothing you can do just be glad uh yeah when i turned 50 i was fucking miserable when i turned 60 i was like yes really and now 10 years later yeah that's where you're at yeah all right i'll be 71 in uh february it's weird right it is very weird but you feel good i do all right super fortunate

00:28:42Guest:Well, you want to do more acting?

00:28:44Guest:Sure.

00:28:45Marc:Yeah?

00:28:45Guest:Yeah.

00:28:46Guest:Why not?

00:28:47Marc:Where's it shooting?

00:28:48Marc:How long do I got to be there?

00:28:49Guest:Exactly.

00:28:50Guest:How much do I got to fall down?

00:28:51Guest:Do I get a good view in my hotel room?

00:28:53Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:28:54Marc:You fly me first?

00:28:55Marc:Yeah.

00:28:56Marc:Yeah.

00:28:56Guest:Well, remember when they used to have to do that?

00:28:58Marc:What, fly you first?

00:28:59Marc:Yeah.

00:28:59Marc:I still ask for it.

00:29:00Marc:Yeah.

00:29:01Marc:But now it's sort of like business.

00:29:02Marc:And I'm like, all right, that's first.

00:29:03Marc:That's close enough.

00:29:04Marc:Yeah.

00:29:04Marc:First is a little ridiculous.

00:29:06Marc:Yeah.

00:29:06Marc:On some flights.

00:29:08Guest:Get your own apartment.

00:29:09Guest:John C. Reilly and I did...

00:29:11Guest:uh press junkets yeah for for this movie georgia we were in oh yeah wait that was about the singer yeah oh that was jennifer jason lee that was kind of a great movie and holly what's her name the sister wasn't there two there were sisters um mayor winningham mayor winningham yes that was kind of a uh a good movie great movie and had an incredible uh director ulu grossbart

00:29:34Guest:But anyway, John C. and I were doing these things.

00:29:36Guest:They would apply as first class, and I was doing as many as I could because I would get good per diem, and I was really broke then.

00:29:42Guest:Yeah.

00:29:42Guest:And after you get on the first class, like all these different times, you see all these fucking businessmen.

00:29:48Guest:You start wanting to just take knives out and just slaughter them all.

00:29:52Guest:It's horrible.

00:29:53Marc:Well, you know they're not paying for it.

00:29:54Marc:That's why first class is driven by company expenses.

00:29:58Marc:What happened to that guy, Max Perlich?

00:30:01Marc:I think he's still around.

00:30:02Marc:He was like around for a while.

00:30:04Marc:Yeah.

00:30:04Guest:He was kind of punk rock.

00:30:05Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:30:06Guest:He hung out in the punk rock clubs.

00:30:09Guest:Yeah.

00:30:09Guest:And Max would always show up with these tall, beautiful, model-type girlfriends.

00:30:14Guest:Yeah.

00:30:15Guest:Huh.

00:30:15Guest:Yeah.

00:30:16Guest:Yeah.

00:30:16Guest:Guess he's got something.

00:30:17Guest:Yeah.

00:30:18Marc:Little Jewish guy's got game.

00:30:19Marc:Yeah, he definitely had good.

00:30:20Marc:He was a very entertaining dude.

00:30:23Marc:Yeah, I always remember seeing him and relating to him.

00:30:26Marc:But that movie's kind of interesting because it's one of those rare movies where they did a pretty good job at characterizing the music.

00:30:33Marc:Yeah.

00:30:34Marc:Like Jennifer Jason Leigh did a pretty good job.

00:30:36Marc:Oh, she was great.

00:30:37Marc:Yeah, at that kind of like the sister that's the folky, successful, and she was just a rebel, kind of fuck up, doing the punk rock thing, right?

00:30:46Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:30:46Guest:And, you know, critics are so, I don't know, unreliable.

00:30:51Guest:They said, oh, she can't sing.

00:30:54Guest:Exactly.

00:30:54Guest:Did you see the movie?

00:30:56Guest:Yeah.

00:30:56Guest:Do you have any idea what the movie is about?

00:30:58Guest:Right.

00:30:58Guest:No.

00:30:59Guest:Yeah.

00:30:59Guest:That's part of the deal.

00:31:00Guest:Yeah.

00:31:01Guest:It's like she's an emoter.

00:31:02Guest:Yeah.

00:31:03Guest:She lives her songs.

00:31:04Guest:Right.

00:31:04Guest:But she doesn't have this classically beautiful voice.

00:31:07Guest:I got to watch that movie again.

00:31:08Guest:It's a good one, but it doesn't have a happy ending.

00:31:10Guest:Well, sort of.

00:31:11Guest:Sort of happy ending.

00:31:13Guest:Don't the sisters make up or no?

00:31:15Guest:Sort of.

00:31:16Guest:But it's about a junkie.

00:31:17Guest:It's like, what do you expect?

00:31:19Guest:Jennifer Jason Leigh plays a junkie in it.

00:31:23Marc:Isn't that amazing that you lived through all that shit?

00:31:26Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:31:28Guest:I mean, I'm not sober, but I don't do any drugs.

00:31:32Marc:No powders and pills.

00:31:33Guest:Oh, hell no.

00:31:34Marc:Yeah.

00:31:34Marc:I mean, back in the day, dude, all you were worried about is if it was going to be shitty Coke.

00:31:40Marc:Not that it would kill you.

00:31:41Marc:Do you know what I mean?

00:31:43Marc:Like the biggest disappointment, it wasn't like dying from secret fentanyl.

00:31:46Marc:It was just like, I don't think this is any good.

00:31:48Marc:Yeah.

00:31:49Marc:It's just cut with shit, this Coke.

00:31:52Yeah.

00:31:52Guest:Oh, my God.

00:31:53Guest:Nobody's safe.

00:31:54Guest:Yeah.

00:31:55Guest:All right.

00:31:55Guest:Did you see that Nan Golden documentary?

00:31:58Marc:I did.

00:31:58Marc:Holy moly.

00:32:00Marc:I did, dude.

00:32:00Marc:Boy.

00:32:01Marc:I'd love to talk to her.

00:32:03Marc:Yeah.

00:32:03Marc:I had no idea.

00:32:05Marc:What a champion.

00:32:06Marc:Man, that is an important fucking documentary.

00:32:10Marc:It was an important bit of activism that she did.

00:32:13Marc:Yeah.

00:32:14Marc:And they pushed it through.

00:32:15Marc:At the very least, there was some accountability, and they took that fucking name off of that room and that met.

00:32:21Marc:Yep.

00:32:21Marc:But I just had no idea about her.

00:32:24Marc:I knew I always loved her photographs.

00:32:26Marc:I didn't really realize.

00:32:28Marc:And that lifestyle.

00:32:30Marc:Wow, dude.

00:32:30Marc:Holy moly.

00:32:32Marc:Well, that New York thing was different than out here.

00:32:35Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:32:36Marc:You know, it was earlier.

00:32:38Marc:Like, all those guys were dying to dope first.

00:32:41Yeah.

00:32:41Marc:Oh, you think you're so great.

00:32:45Marc:But then it came out here and he had all that black tar shit from Mexico.

00:32:48Marc:I don't know, man.

00:32:49Marc:Yeah.

00:32:49Marc:But then that first wave of those rock junkies.

00:32:52Marc:Yeah.

00:32:54Marc:She's still around, though.

00:32:55Marc:I'd like to talk to her.

00:32:56Marc:Yeah.

00:32:56Marc:All right, man.

00:32:58Marc:All right.

00:32:58Marc:What happens now?

00:32:58Marc:You going to hang out in L.A.?

00:33:00Guest:I'm going to go back down to Orange County and rehearse.

00:33:02Marc:Oh, so you're here for that.

00:33:04Marc:That's why we were able to pull this off because you're already here.

00:33:06Marc:Yeah.

00:33:07Marc:Like today you're rehearsing?

00:33:08Guest:Yeah.

00:33:09Guest:Rehearsed yesterday, the day before.

00:33:10Guest:What guitars are you playing?

00:33:13Guest:I got another 1960 jazz bass, which are pretty rare.

00:33:16Guest:That was the first real bass that I had.

00:33:19Guest:And a friend of mine up in Tacoma found one.

00:33:23Guest:Or actually Salem, Oregon.

00:33:25Guest:Yeah.

00:33:26Guest:And he found one and I got it refinished, like an old beat-up finish.

00:33:30Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:33:30Guest:Relic finish.

00:33:31Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:33:31Guest:But it's the real deal.

00:33:33Guest:Yeah.

00:33:33Guest:So that's what I would take on the road.

00:33:34Guest:And the one that I originally had, that stays at home.

00:33:37Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:33:38Guest:But I'll bring it out to record.

00:33:40Marc:Sure.

00:33:41Marc:You don't want it to get stolen.

00:33:42Yeah.

00:33:42Guest:Yeah.

00:33:43Guest:And I got another 63 P bass that I played forever that looks like somebody ran it over with a truck a bunch of times.

00:33:51Marc:That's great.

00:33:51Marc:And who's got the studio down there?

00:33:54Guest:We're actually going to... Billy's got a recording studio.

00:34:00Guest:That's where we rehearse.

00:34:01Guest:Are you going to record it there?

00:34:02Guest:No, we're going to record up here.

00:34:03Guest:All right.

00:34:04Guest:I think Sunset Sound.

00:34:05Guest:Woo-hoo.

00:34:06Guest:Classic.

00:34:06Guest:Classy.

00:34:07Marc:Yeah.

00:34:07Marc:The Doors.

00:34:08Marc:Yeah.

00:34:09Marc:Yeah.

00:34:09Marc:I didn't realize that.

00:34:10Marc:I just saw something yesterday that Robbie Krieger was like 22 when he did that riff from the end.

00:34:15Marc:They were all so young, dude.

00:34:17I know.

00:34:19Marc:It's nuts because they look – I don't know what it is, but they all seemed older.

00:34:22Guest:They looked like grown-ass people.

00:34:24Guest:Ray was a little bit older.

00:34:25Guest:Like a little bit.

00:34:26Guest:You knew him.

00:34:27Guest:Yeah.

00:34:28Guest:Yeah.

00:34:28Guest:I still miss Raymond's, Eric.

00:34:29Guest:Yeah.

00:34:30Guest:There's a few people I still miss.

00:34:32Guest:Yeah.

00:34:32Guest:Like who else?

00:34:34Guest:My friend Michael Blake.

00:34:35Guest:He wrote Dances with Wolves.

00:34:37Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:34:38Guest:Yeah.

00:34:38Guest:He was like my brother.

00:34:39Guest:Yeah.

00:34:40Guest:I still miss a few people.

00:34:41Marc:It gets harder because people go, man.

00:34:43Guest:Yeah.

00:34:44Guest:Well, that's why all the old ladies in Italy all wear black, because you're supposed to wear black for a year after someone dies, and it's like, I'm in black.

00:34:53Marc:Forever grieving.

00:34:54Guest:Yeah.

00:34:55Marc:Yeah.

00:34:55Marc:Well, that's not an upbeat note.

00:34:57Guest:No.

00:34:57Marc:Have fun with the record.

00:34:59Guest:Yes, we're going to have fun with the record, and you should come out to the Roxy when we play there, if you're going to be in town.

00:35:05Guest:Well, text me.

00:35:05Guest:When is that?

00:35:06Guest:December 19 and 20.

00:35:08Marc:Fuck, man.

00:35:10Marc:I'm going to be around.

00:35:11Marc:Good.

00:35:11Marc:I'll come out.

00:35:12Marc:Sure you will.

00:35:13Marc:Remind me.

00:35:14Marc:I will.

00:35:14Marc:Thanks, buddy.

00:35:15Marc:All right.

00:35:15Marc:Thanks.

00:35:21Marc:That was some extra talk from me and John Doe.

00:35:24Marc:I'm going to go see him at the Roxy.

00:35:26Marc:I don't know when you're going to listen to this, so it's not really a plug, but I'll let you know how the show was.

00:35:35Marc:Boomer lives!