BONUS Producer Cuts - John Wilson, José Andrés and more from November
Guest:Hey there, Full Marin listeners.
Guest:This is Brendan.
Guest:I'm the producer of WTF, and this is another round of producer cuts.
Guest:Merry Christmas to all who celebrated yesterday, and I hope all of you are enjoying this time of year.
Guest:And if you're unfamiliar with what the producer cuts are, every month I go through the things that I felt I had to cut out of the WTF episodes for one particular reason or another.
Guest:And if they're worth playing for you, I feel like I should play them since you're subscribers and you might be interested in the things that not everyone else got to hear.
Guest:And I have a lot of producer cuts from the month of November, so many that I'm going to break this up across two weeks.
Guest:We're going to do producer cuts this week and next.
Guest:And we're going to start things off with episode 1485, John Wilson.
Guest:And this was a section I cut out of the interview with John Wilson because John and Mark were going in depth into an episode of the TV show.
Guest:They already spoke about it.
Guest:And I left that part in and I felt as they got into it with more detail, you really would have benefited to have just seen the episode rather than have them talk about it.
Guest:So
Guest:So I felt what I left in was sufficient and I took this stuff out.
Guest:But then when I was talking about this John Wilson episode with our friend Chris Lopresto, he mentioned that he thought that the conversation around things being fabricated, it led him to believe that maybe the entire show was fabricated.
Guest:And I started thinking about it like, man, I wonder if he really would have thought that if I left in this greater context about the episode that John and Mark were talking about.
Guest:So I can't go back and erase what I did, but I can play it for you and you can be the judge.
Guest:There's also some more detail in here about the movie Real Life, directed by Albert Brooks.
Guest:And Mark talks to John about that as well.
Guest:So this is from episode 1485 with John Wilson.
Marc:It's funny because the nature of what you do once you get to that episode and you're like, I already laid this out.
Marc:And obviously that ex-cop is real.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So you brought him in on it.
Marc:But you also tease it with this sort of the idea of how to keep a secret.
Marc:And is a secret – are you able to keep a secret?
Marc:So he's playing along with this thing.
Marc:And, you know, even –
Marc:up to the hotel room, I'm sort of halfway believing it.
Guest:Yeah, it's all pretty much real up until that point.
Guest:I mean, you know, there's the fake kind of thriller aspect where I'm getting emails from people saying to stop making this documentary.
Marc:But the meeting in the hotel room was fabricated.
Yeah.
Marc:No one said, meet me in this room.
Marc:Oh, yeah, that was fabricated.
Guest:Right.
Marc:So at that point, the turn is... But you still don't tip it.
Marc:Like, you know, the cops looked real enough.
Marc:Well, somebody had to put the fire up.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, those are real cops.
Marc:Those are real firemen.
Marc:But, you know, the sort of... The kind of reveal at the end of...
Marc:The protagonist of the episode, that ex-cop, is just standing there watching the car burn.
Guest:You're like, oh, okay.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, it was really funny because we sent that episode to our lawyers.
Guest:They were the first people to see it.
Guest:And just to approve everything like we usually do.
Guest:And one of the notes they sent back to us was, hey, we just want to make sure that you didn't kill Bruce.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it was just so funny that, I mean, it was like, I was like, okay, great.
Guest:It was, it was like, I guess we nailed it.
Guest:Like, you know, like it was believable, but also kind of strange that they would ask me first if I had killed someone before contacting anybody else.
Yeah.
Marc:In the series.
Marc:But before you leave the fabrication, how much did it cost to fabricate the airplane bathroom?
Guest:Oh, I'm left out of a lot of budget conversations.
Marc:Well, I mean, but that was the way to end that thing.
Marc:That was like the button, right?
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:And it's the fucking nightmare.
Guest:That's like the worst nightmare possible.
Guest:Yeah, probably, I don't know.
Guest:10 grand?
Guest:I have no idea.
Marc:But that was in the Titanic episode, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Because there's another episode where the entire episode's about trying to find a toilet.
Guest:Right.
Marc:But that's not the same one, is it?
Guest:Right, yeah.
Guest:There's a lot of toilet humor.
Guest:No, it's a different one.
Guest:I'm always thinking about... I think about John Waters a lot.
Guest:I remember in one of his books or something...
Guest:reading some line of his about kind of fighting the tyranny of good taste.
Marc:Well, that episode's great because it ends with the sort of architectural sort of construction of a mini building that wouldn't let you in made out of, you know, water bottles filled with cabi-urine.
Guest:Oh, in the restroom episode.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I thought that was right at the edge of, and I didn't mind it, but it was a lot to take.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, it was a lot to, it was heavy too.
Guest:I wore it on my shoulders at one point.
Guest:But I thought it was so funny that I got kicked out of Hudson Yards just for filming the vessel to begin with.
Guest:Like the first time.
Guest:The building.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The vessel, like the big sculpture that people kept committing suicide.
Guest:Right.
Guest:They had to close it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I get the first time I went there, I get kicked out for filming that.
Guest:But then the second time I go back with a sculpture made of urine that emulates it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm there for 45 minutes.
Guest:They don't.
Marc:Nothing happens.
Marc:Just another lunatic.
Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:They're just hoping you don't try to get in the building to jump off.
Marc:Yeah, exactly.
Marc:Yeah, that's their main concern.
Marc:Did the comedy mockumentaries have any effect on you, like Albert Brooks, like real life?
Guest:I don't really know.
Guest:I don't know how I feel about... I think mockumentary is one of the filthiest words I can...
Marc:Well, before mockumentary, I mean, real life, that word didn't really exist yet.
Marc:It was more of a satire.
Guest:Wait, so which works are you talking about specifically?
Marc:Albert Brooks, when he moves in with that family and the guys were wearing those
Marc:Oh, I don't know if I've seen that.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:So that was like in probably the mid-70s where he—it was the Loud family.
Marc:So he's a documentarian.
Marc:He's going to document this family by becoming part of their lives.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:And Charles Grodin plays the father who's a veterinarian.
Marc:And, you know, it's really the angle is that, you know, Brooks, as the documentarian, you know, becomes so infused in their lives that it just he destroys them.
Marc:The entire thing falls apart.
Guest:As the documentarian.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And there's just these sequences where it's like, you're not even going to notice me.
Marc:I've got these new cameras.
Marc:And like he's got this new kind of camera, which is not a real camera.
Marc:It's basically a space helmet.
Marc:So you see these shots of them eating dinner.
Marc:And all of a sudden, like this guy will just kind of.
Marc:Ease by with wearing this base helmet.
Marc:It's a very funny thing.
Marc:Oh, it sounds great.
Marc:Yeah, it's an oldie.
Marc:It was one of the first.
Marc:It was kind of great.
Guest:I love that concept.
Guest:That sounds like a parody of that, you know, I mean like one of the first reality shows that like American Family.
Marc:Yeah, I think that was it.
Marc:Wasn't that the Loud family?
Marc:Wasn't that the name?
Marc:Maybe I'm getting the name wrong.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:No, no.
Guest:I mean, American Family was like an actual, like a real documentary.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:No, this is a riff on that.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:It is a riff on that.
Guest:Okay, okay.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But I thought that family's name was... Maybe I'm wrong.
Marc:But it's a riff on that, you know?
Marc:And he just turns it inside out, you know?
Marc:And I imagine...
Marc:Hold on.
Marc:That, you know, some of it was improvised.
Marc:Let's see.
Guest:Yeah, I mean, Christopher Guest, you know.
Guest:That was later.
Guest:I like his stuff.
Guest:I feel like a few people can pull off the genre, but I think for the most part, it should die.
Marc:Oh, here it is.
Marc:Yeah, An American Family.
Marc:Yeah, The Loud Family in Santa Barbara.
Marc:Yeah, that's the riff.
Marc:It's on that.
Marc:That was from early 70s.
Guest:I'm going to write this down.
Marc:Oh, yeah, Real Life by Albert Brooks.
Marc:I think you'll get a kick out of it because Grodin is so fucking funny.
Guest:Everyone's so fucking funny.
Guest:I stare at a picture of Grodin every time I wake up.
Marc:You do?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:He plays this veterinarian dude, and Brooks is shooting him doing surgery on a horse.
Guest:Oh, the horse had the legs up.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:But it's a rodeo rider's horse, this old guy.
Marc:He's waiting for the vet.
Marc:And it's very clear during the surgery that he asks for an anesthetic twice, and the horse dies.
Yeah.
Marc:You know, and, you know, after, you know, it's all shot in a documentary form.
Marc:You know, it's just, you know, Grodin as the veterinarian trying to negotiate with Brooks.
Marc:It's like, can we take that out?
Marc:Is that necessary?
Marc:And Brooks is like, I think it's great.
Marc:You know, like, it's funny, dude.
Marc:That sounds awesome.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:I think you'll enjoy it.
Marc:It's just because, you know, Brooks is Brooks.
Guest:Okay, our next cut here is from episode 1486.
Guest:The very next episode, the guest was Laraji, and this audio file was sitting in my folder, and it was labeled Monologue 11.9 Unhinged.
Guest:And I went back and listened to it.
Guest:Perhaps that's overstating it a bit.
Guest:But I do think what's on display here is what happens sometimes when Mark is trying to formulate his thoughts around something.
Guest:He knows he can talk for as long as he wants and eventually, you know, he'll either hit on something he wants to say or I will wind up cutting it down.
Guest:But this was just kind of a venting session that as I was listening to it, I was pretty sure I was going to cut it out.
Guest:And then sure enough, right when it gets to the end of this section, I think it becomes pretty clear why Mark seems so amped up.
Guest:Amped up to the point where I'm not sure it was 100% pleasant to listen to this in the context of the episode.
Guest:But I think now that you're knowing that, it might be more enjoyable to hear this section that I called Monologue 1193.
Marc:So some people, I, you know, I didn't realize that this was happening because, you know, sometimes I do Instagram lives and I think everybody's up to speed, but someone was asking me about my cats and that's a, that's a good question right now because I just spent a few hours taking fucking Charlie to the vet and I'd forgotten what it's like, the kind of panic and chaos and just insanity that
Marc:And look, this is not a big deal, but you know, that's one of the reasons I'm aggravated.
Marc:This cat, I don't know why he was fine yesterday.
Marc:And then all of a sudden he's not eating.
Marc:And then this morning he's thrown up.
Marc:And then, you know, I got it.
Marc:I'm just a person that doesn't wait that shit out.
Marc:So now I got to go to the vet.
Marc:Now I got to go to the vet.
Marc:Turns out when he was a kitten, he was pretty good in the car.
Marc:Now, not so great.
Marc:Kind of a fucking nightmare.
Marc:Then we get to the vet.
Marc:And of course, you know, who knows?
Marc:Who the fuck knows?
Marc:But he hadn't been to the vet since he was born, really, for a regular vet visit.
Marc:So it was all good, I guess.
Marc:But I just can't believe the level of aggravation and the way it collapses my entire psyche around these cats.
Marc:And it makes me sometimes just be like, why do I even bother with him?
Marc:Why do I even bother with him?
Marc:So I don't know what he has or whether he's going to get better or what.
Marc:Probably will.
Marc:Who the hell knows?
Marc:But the amount of my sanity or my emotional well-being I hang on these dumb animals is it's fine most of the time and I can handle it.
Marc:But when something goes wrong, it's not that I flip out, but it just causes a tremendous amount of anxiety.
Marc:And I don't think this is unusual, but I will say this.
Marc:It is one of the great indicators that I did the right thing by never having children outside of the world collapsing and the hopelessness I see in the future.
Marc:Just my general sensibility emotionally and psychologically in terms of my anxiety and my inability to compartmentalize or have very strong boundaries.
Marc:It's just like, yeah, best thing I ever did was not have kids.
Marc:It's just, yeah, some of us are just, we're just not cut out for it.
Marc:But the other cats are fine.
Marc:Sammy's, I don't know what to make of Sammy.
Marc:He's coming around, I guess, or maybe I'm coming around to him.
Marc:It's just something that happens.
Marc:You have a weirdo cat.
Marc:They're all kind of weirdos.
Marc:And eventually you're like, you start to understand them a little bit.
Marc:He's still a mystery to me as are most cats, but Sammy's,
Marc:impulsive and a little peculiar and he's kind of stupid, but he's got charm.
Marc:And I assume over time he will most likely end up my favorite cat.
Marc:Buster is fine.
Marc:Buster is a smart cat.
Marc:And again, he's a cat that I'm constantly worried about because that's what I enjoy doing.
Marc:That's the bottom line of this, folks, is that I suffer from extreme catastrophic thinking about fucking everything.
Marc:Everything.
Everything.
Marc:There's nothing that I do in my life that doesn't revolve reflection that 90% of the time ends up in some sort of fucking dumpster fire in my brain of panic, fear, guilt sometimes over nothing.
Marc:And it's just the way my brain works.
Marc:And I got to be honest with you, I'm tired of it.
Marc:I think I had some point in my life early in sobriety and here and there over time where I could get into the present, where I could realize that a lot of what I'm reacting to is something my brain is generating, whether it's the future or the past and how I fit into it or how I can change it or what I did in it.
Marc:Or it's just these are just bats I use to sort of beat the shit out of myself and make myself crazy all the time.
Marc:And for some reason, it's gotten kind of bad.
Marc:I don't know what it is.
Marc:Maybe it was my 60th birthday.
Marc:Maybe it's, you know, I've got I've got a lot of family to deal with over the next few weeks.
Marc:Maybe it's Charlie today.
Marc:Who knows?
Marc:But I do know it's a real thing.
Marc:And I don't know if you can relate to that, but it's just what my brain does.
Marc:And on a good day, it doesn't.
Marc:But I've got to get some goddamn tools in place.
Marc:The world is another trigger, a daily trigger, an hourly trigger.
Marc:God damn it.
Marc:So just managing my brain is, even when I'm getting out of myself, I talk to people, I do things, I cook, I play guitar, I hang out with kids, I do comedy, I do all kinds of things.
Marc:But there's just a sort of slow burning wildfire in my brain most of the time.
Marc:And I imagine some of you are going to be like, well, you know, I've talked to people.
Marc:I've done EMDR.
Marc:I don't want to get on medication.
Marc:I know that this is something that I can sort of handle myself with the tools that I have to just get into the fucking present to maybe change some neural pathways.
Marc:But then again, here's the sad part about it.
Marc:I don't know if it's my preferred way of being.
Marc:I know it's what I always do.
Marc:And why haven't I worked harder to get rid of it?
Marc:Because maybe that's where I'm comfortable or I don't think I can change or I just don't want to put the time in.
Marc:But what does that mean if I don't want to put the time in?
Marc:It means that, well, that means you're committing to this.
Marc:You see the problem, you don't want to fix it.
Marc:Why is that?
Marc:Because what else do I have, people, but my insanity, right?
Marc:Wrong.
Marc:I'm exhausted.
Marc:Also, drinking...
Marc:you know, two quarts of coffee a day and constantly dumping nicotine in my system, I know, does not help anything.
Marc:Just takes it up a few notches to the point of explosion, which hasn't happened.
Marc:But I can feel it sometimes.
Marc:Also, I haven't eaten today.
Marc:I did a little bit.
Marc:You know what?
Marc:Maybe we should have this conversation another time.
Marc:Maybe I'm just, maybe I'm halt.
Marc:Maybe I'm hangry.
Marc:Fuck, man.
Marc:What a shit show.
Marc:I hope Charlie's okay, but I'm just going to sit around for the next couple days, and I'm going to New Mexico, so I got to deal with my dad.
Marc:But kid will take care of him.
Marc:I'm just going to keep looking at him, wondering if he's going to eat, wondering what's wrong with him, wondering if he's dying.
Marc:But you know what?
Marc:When I look back at the type of insanity I've had to deal with, with animals, with people, just chaos, drama, overreacting, tremendous anxiety, a great...
Marc:Great wave of cortisol and adrenaline and just bullshit.
Marc:I'm amazed that I haven't fried my fucking brain.
Marc:All that said, he'll probably be okay.
Marc:Probably be okay.
Marc:So maybe I should just go listen to some Laraji music.
Marc:That ought to do it.
Marc:Right?
Marc:That ought to do it.
Guest:Yes, I have a very strong feeling that the extra coffee and nicotine lozenges were probably responsible for that very amped up train of thought that Mark was on there.
Guest:Next producer cut here is from episode 1487 with Chef Jose Andres, and I will play a clip from the interview coming up.
Guest:But first, this is just a section I trimmed out of the monologue.
Guest:It was about Mark's trip to Albuquerque.
Guest:He spoke at length about it, and I left a good deal of it in the actual episode, but...
Guest:You know, in a place I was looking for time to cut and the Jose Andres interview was fairly lengthy.
Guest:So I trimmed out this section, but it's still pretty heartfelt about Mark's trip home to Albuquerque.
Guest:And I thought you might like to hear it.
Marc:And then Thursday night, I pulled a dinner together with me and four dudes that I've known between 40 and 50 years.
Marc:And that's crazy.
Marc:It's crazy.
Marc:David Kleinfeld I've known since second grade.
Marc:Chris Fisher I went to high school with and we spent a lot of time doing shit.
Marc:Sam Howarth I've known since high school.
Marc:And Devin Jackson I've known since fifth grade.
Marc:And we all had Indian food.
Marc:And, you know, it's just, I don't know.
Marc:I don't know what to say about it.
Marc:It's interesting when you start kicking around things you remember.
Marc:I guess because they're all guys.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:But a lot of them were around sort of like, man, you remember when we got fucked up and almost died?
Marc:And oh, yeah, I remember when I lost my virginity.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:So it was all about not dying from being stupid and sex and some other stuff.
Marc:But, you know, they they those things stand out as they should.
Marc:And then on Friday, I took a hike with Dave down the Bosque in Albuquerque.
Marc:It's beautiful.
Marc:The weather was beautiful.
Marc:Beautiful fall weather.
Marc:I saw Emily, Emily Remby, who I've known since fifth grade, whose brother runs and owns Las Poblanos down there.
Marc:They used to live over there.
Marc:And we had a talk and hung out.
Marc:It was very nice.
Marc:It's just, you know, when you go back home,
Marc:When I would go away after I graduated high school and I'd go away to college or I'd come back or I'd go live somewhere and I'd come back, you kind of feel like you're coming back some sort of returning hero of sorts.
Marc:You know, like, man, I've been out in the real world.
Marc:Let me tell you some stories.
Marc:Like he just came back on a ship with tales of getting fucked up and almost dying in sex.
Marc:But...
Marc:But when you go back less frequently as you get older and I'm, you know, I'm 60.
Marc:Then you're just sort of checking in with the kind of the spectrum of how life has beaten the people you've known all your life down.
Marc:Now, I'm not trying to be sad.
Marc:This is just aging.
Marc:But sometimes you get back and you're like, oh, my God, do I look as old as you?
Marc:Because maybe I'm fooling myself.
Marc:And that's not even a negative thing.
Marc:We're old-ish people.
Marc:I don't feel it, but, you know, I can see it in my friends and I can see you kind of see how life has worn people down.
Marc:You don't and you don't know the whole story anymore.
Marc:You're not you don't you're not in touch.
Marc:You just kind of come back and you haven't seen somebody for a year or two.
Marc:And you're like, wow, do you want to talk about it, man?
Marc:Do you want to talk about it?
Marc:Are you OK?
Marc:But it was all pretty nice and it was great to see everybody, but there's a bittersweetness to it, you know?
Marc:And then like on Saturday, getting ready for the show.
Marc:What did I do Saturday?
Marc:You know, I ate some pretty good vegan food out there.
Marc:You know, I had some vegan Mexican food.
Marc:I guess Saturday was day.
Marc:So Thursday night, no, see, I got the days mixed up.
Marc:Thursday night, I landed.
Marc:I went by myself and I had vegetarian Indian food at Annapurna Kitchen or whatever it is.
Marc:And then it was, it must have been Friday night.
Marc:I went out with the dudes.
Marc:And Saturday, I hiked with David.
Marc:And, you know, I did all the shows and I was wiped out, you know, because a lot of the stuff I'm talking about, like I got off stage on Saturday and I was exhausted from the nice, heavy feeling of seeing old friends and then the slightly sadder heavy but good feeling of seeing my dad and spending time with him and Rosie and then, you know, seeing Emily and just being at home.
Marc:It was just heavy, man.
Marc:It's, you know, it's heavy.
Yeah.
Marc:And then Sunday morning, well, I mean, after the show, I was like, I can't do this anymore.
Marc:I don't understand why I'm doing comedy.
Marc:I don't understand why I'm talking about what I'm talking about.
Marc:I'm exhausted.
Marc:I can't not put myself into it.
Marc:And on top of that, I was kind of hiding the self that I was when I was younger there.
Marc:I was just exhausted.
Marc:And I lost all sense of meaning and purpose.
Marc:Came back, though.
Marc:I had some cookies and came back.
Marc:Sometimes when you lose all sense of meaning and purpose, nice piece of cake is good.
Marc:Maybe some, you know, some cookies worked.
Marc:Chocolate.
Chocolate.
Marc:But Sunday morning, I went and saw my mom's friend, Rosalie, who, you know, I grew up with, you know, their family.
Marc:And, you know, and she's had some loss lately.
Marc:And there was some, you know, heavy grief that we her and I locked into and talked about.
Marc:And it's just life.
Marc:It's just really about getting older, but staying in touch.
Marc:You know, there's a certain point where.
Marc:it's just the grief of just being alive and engaged with people you've known a long time.
Marc:that that's just natural.
Marc:I mean, it's not, it's not like a loss thing other than your youth and, uh, and who you were before, but it's definitely there.
Marc:It's, it, it's, it's, it's happy, but it's heavy.
Marc:And you know, if you just adjust the knob a little bit, it can get sad if you're not careful.
Yeah.
Guest:Okay, and as mentioned, I have another clip here from that same episode, and this is from the actual interview with Chef Jose Andres.
Guest:At first, it was stuff they were talking about regarding the Acapulco disaster when it was hit by Hurricane Otis and the efforts by World Central Kitchen to get food relief there.
Guest:But then there's a section they were referring to something that was specifically from the documentary We Feed People about Chef Jose and the World Central Kitchen.
Guest:And I thought that it was probably more helpful if you had seen the film, you would know what they were talking about.
Guest:Or if somebody had alerted you to that fact during the talk, which they didn't do because obviously they're just, you know, in the moment.
Guest:I think if somebody had said, oh, this thing we're talking about right now is from the documentary.
Guest:I lost my temper.
Guest:And this was the situation that that happened.
Guest:They didn't do that.
Guest:And so I thought it was a little hard to understand what they were talking about.
Guest:Also, Jose's phone goes off.
Guest:It causes a little interference.
Guest:I thought this was a good look at Chef Jose's personality and temperament.
Guest:But ultimately, I thought it was something I needed to cut out of the episode.
Guest:And so I did.
Guest:But now you get to hear it as part of the full Marin.
Guest:And this is Chef Jose Andres and Mark.
Guest:One of the biggest things we did in Acapulco was hundreds of tortillas.
Guest:Everything is destroyed.
Guest:The destruction is beyond imagination.
Guest:But some of the owners are able to open with a little generator, but they're running out of corn to make tortillas.
Guest:And it's no infrastructure because everything is destroyed.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:What World Central Kitchen did was finding out that their main issue was we cannot buy corn.
Guest:Phones don't even work.
Guest:We don't even have electricity.
Guest:And we began doing a system of support.
Guest:If we get you the fuel and we get you the corn, can you be open tomorrow?
Guest:And I cannot believe that now we are...
Guest:probably reaching almost 100 tortillerias in Acapulco, that we're giving them the maseca for free.
Guest:We were able to bring the price down almost to zero, but because we want some money going in the community, if not, we will pay for it ourselves.
Guest:And cash is king there because those tortillerias, they don't even have a bank account.
Guest:It means I cannot pay them through the bank of World Central Kitchen to them.
Guest:So I need some cash moving and flowing that is king.
Guest:That's what we are charging some.
Guest:But what we did was that we were able to put maseca all across the tortillerias.
Guest:You see, we are not the distributors of corn.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But during the emergency, we became the distributors of corn, bringing between 50,000 and 100,000 kilos of corn a day in Acapulco.
Guest:From where?
Guest:From the capital and other cities around Mexico.
Guest:We pick up the phone.
Guest:We call the big boys, say, guys, you really want to help your people now?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Don't wait until the supermarkets are open because they are not opening anytime soon.
Guest:Don't open until your distribution is back to normal because it's going to take you still a few days or weeks.
Guest:Let us be that bridge from your factory directly to the tortillas.
Guest:This is the type of thing that was never written in a plan.
Guest:This was the type of thing that we had to adapt.
Guest:Thanks to adapting, we were able to do something as possible.
Guest:Open in business so people start going back to normal quicker, no later.
Guest:And you've learned how to handle adapting better.
Guest:We keep all learning.
Guest:Adaptation is something, is the gift that keeps on giving.
Guest:You even surprise yourself when you make decisions that you think they are normal, but actually they are unnormal.
Marc:But this is a whole learning curve for you because, you know, as a chef and as a guy who comes out of that, you know, you do have a certain amount of control and certain things get aggravating.
Marc:Because even in the documentary, it talks about you kind of, you know, getting aggravated and mad.
Marc:Very mad.
Guest:This one happens.
Guest:And obviously, again, this is not a decision I make.
Guest:It's Wilson Drug Kitchen people adapting every single hour as we speak.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because it was always...
Guest:me the person, I the person, Wilson Dragicin will have no future.
Guest:This organization, it's been a long time ago that the train has left the station, and I'm very proud of it.
Guest:This is not Jose Andres organization.
Guest:This is the organization of the people.
Guest:What you described on the documentary, that is kind of funny because even Ron Howard was in charge of it.
Guest:I remember being in Haiti.
Guest:And somebody arriving somewhere to deliver food.
Guest:And people, I guess, were hungry or anxious.
Guest:And all these people began running towards the food and were tiny children with their mothers.
Guest:And they were run out.
Guest:And they were badly injured because people without realizing, only to try to feed themselves, just walk over those children that nobody saw.
Guest:What you saw there was that moment that was unbelievably tense of hundreds, if not thousands of Bahamians in the northern island of Abaco that they were trying to leave.
Guest:It was already...
Guest:The disaster was real.
Guest:People realized that there was no way to go back normal.
Guest:And people were trying to leave, and the military were controlling the port because there still was not enough boats to let everybody leave.
Guest:And it was a very tense situation on one side.
Guest:And I was talking to the military to see if we could be feeding from where they were.
Guest:So we were kind of... And also to make sure that we will not have this type of... It happened that...
Guest:one of our team members, which I love and is a person who has done amazing for World Central Kitchen, gave a couple of sandwiches to a woman.
Guest:And in my... Where did I come in from?
Guest:Maybe it was mine.
Guest:No, it was not mine.
Guest:And my brain saw those images of the past.
Guest:And I'm like, come on, I told you not to deliver food.
Guest:I'm a guy that wants to deliver every single second.
Guest:So there you saw the moment, that tension.
Guest:Was I supposed to handle it better?
Guest:Maybe.
Guest:But still I thought it was...
Guest:Dangerous enough?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I always carry on me the shoulders, the responsibility, even if I'm not there, that one day somebody will be in harm's way because of our actions.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Well, our teams or well, the people we feed.
Guest:Listen, I lost six people in Ukraine.
Guest:And I say I because I take it very personal because I'm the founder of this organization.
Guest:So we lost six volunteers at World Central Kitchen with two bombings by Russians in two of the shelters that were sleeping next to the kitchens we were cooking.
Guest:And this is something like hits you hard, hits you in the gut.
Guest:In Bahamas, what you saw was that.
Guest:The emotions are high.
Guest:Long hours by all.
Guest:But if anybody, me as a founder, I'm supposed to be always the one that keeps this cool better.
Guest:I never said I'm a perfect person.
Guest:I'm still a 54-year-old that I'm very lucky.
Guest:I have my wife next to me and keeps me...
Guest:keeps me holy and straight.
Guest:I feel the pressure of having to deliver on behalf of the people.
Guest:And sometimes, as you saw in the documentary, that moment had an explanation.
Guest:But always...
Guest:I remember the day that I spent a very good hour trying to convince that woman and apologizing to that woman, recognizing that even maybe I had my reasons of why I kind of had that moment of explosion.
Guest:I still...
Guest:I was sincere enough to say I apologize for it.
Guest:In that case, I was worried that something was going to happen because I saw the entire situation.
Guest:And I gave very clear guidance of, please, let's wait until I speak to the military.
Guest:And when that didn't happen, yes, I got upset.
Guest:Not because it didn't follow, let's say, my request or my order.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:but was more about what could happen because I had already... Experience sometimes is important.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And when you've seen something happening... Sure, of course.
Guest:You don't want this to happen under your watch or because your actions.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:So that was the tension of that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Sometimes those tensions may happen, but I will say that experience...
Guest:helps you keep dealing with those situations.
Guest:Because what happens too, and this I learned, in this situation, you may be under stress, but who really is under stress is the people that suffer the consequences of that hurricane, of that earthquake.
Guest:So you own it to them to be the one with the most level head, with the most cool head.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:So that's what you learn.
Guest:And that's very important.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:OK, that'll do it for this week.
Guest:And next week, I have more producer cuts from the month of November.
Guest:Thank you so much for being here with us on the full Marin for 2023.
Guest:And we're so happy to have you here going into next year.
Guest:There will be an episode of the Friday show going up this week, and then we will see you in the new year.
Guest:Enjoy, everybody.