BONUS The Friday Show - Cleaning Out the Closet
Marc:At this point, one of, I guess it's Axe, he actually calls for timeout.
Guest:Yes!
Guest:He's like begging with the ref.
Marc:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, timeout.
Marc:I got to find out what happened out here.
Marc:Can we knock this whole thing off for a second?
Marc:We got to get some answers.
Guest:Hey, Chris.
Guest:Brendan.
Guest:How's it going?
Guest:Good.
Guest:Merry Christmas.
Guest:That already happened.
Guest:Happy New Year.
Guest:That hasn't happened yet.
Guest:But actually, when we're recording this, none of that has happened.
Guest:This is the Spaceballs version of Now is Now.
Guest:We actually recorded this last week, but Chris and I are going to be away and doing holiday stuff.
Guest:And so really what we're going to do here is just kind of wrap up your mailbag questions from over the past several months.
Guest:And then I'm actually going to do like a producer cut.
Guest:in the friday show oh cool uh so uh so that'll just be the second half of it and yes it will be a wrestling centric producer cut so if you check out for the wrestling stuff uh that that'll be the second half of this show but uh but right now i'll just get into the the stuff that you've been sending in this question here i teased this on uh on last week's show i said that there was a question uh i was not going to answer and i was you know the
Guest:There's no reason for us to not be transparent on, you know, questions that you're interested in.
Guest:But there's just some things where it, you know, affects other people.
Guest:And so this is a case where this person says, you probably won't answer this.
Guest:Which always kind of like gets my attention.
Guest:Like, well, can I answer it?
Guest:Like, I don't like being told what I won't do.
Guest:How do you split the atom?
Guest:Right.
Guest:But it says, did you have to edit?
Guest:And then I'm redacting here a guest's name.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It says, did you have to edit this guest a lot?
Guest:It was one of my favorite episodes ever.
Guest:So after listening, I listened to this person elsewhere and this person was not good at talking.
Right.
Marc:Are they talking about me?
Guest:I edit the shit out of Chris.
Guest:Oh, I wouldn't have had to conceal that one.
Guest:So here's the thing.
Guest:This person who asked this question obviously knows that I'm answering it.
Guest:They will be the person who knows what guest I'm talking about.
Guest:But my feeling is like, why would I... I edited it for a reason.
Guest:I didn't want to throw anybody under the bus.
Guest:And I don't even think that I had the same thought that this person had about whether or not the guest could talk.
Guest:But yes, like I wound up editing that interview in the way that I do with every interview that we have on the show to make sure it is fully understandable as a narrative arc from start to finish.
Guest:It's going to vary every single person that I do that with.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And I've always said it is not the fault of the guest if I'm editing it a lot.
Guest:It is just what we're trying to get out of the show.
Guest:So what it might be and you're saying you've heard this person somewhere else and they you deem them not good at talking.
Guest:What I would say is it's just that that's how that person talks.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And that way of talking or, you know, reasoning their mental logic and how it comes out on a microphone, it might not exactly line up with how we do a show.
Guest:So if I have to trim them down a little bit and get their answers more concise, I think that's fine.
Guest:I think that's helping them because I'm not changing what they're saying.
Guest:I'm not making it so that they're being misrepresented.
Guest:I'm just kind of giving them the best version of who they could be.
Guest:And we've had people react instantly.
Guest:in ways to the show to say, oh, wow, I listened to it.
Guest:That sounded really good.
Guest:Like I didn't know it was that good.
Guest:I didn't really realize the conversation was that good.
Guest:And Mark is always like, oh yeah, you have no idea what we had to do to it.
Guest:And that's just, that's the job.
Guest:If you've enjoyed the show for any period of time,
Guest:I don't ever want you to actually be aware of that, that it's happening, but that's why you like it.
Guest:Like you like it because Mark and I work in tandem to make this thing sound good.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:That's the simple answer to that.
Marc:Nice.
Marc:So it's, it's basically you're a good editor.
Marc:And when that person was on the other show, it was like watching that queen movie, right?
Marc:With the, um,
Marc:What was the Queen movie with the guy from Mr. Robot?
Marc:But it was all terrible editing.
Marc:Oh, right.
Marc:The Bohemian Rhapsody.
Marc:Yeah, Bohemian Rhapsody.
Marc:People are like, wait a second.
Marc:This is terrible.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:They all of a sudden had to scramble and change the whole movie before it was released.
Guest:It won an Oscar for best editing, too.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:That's the most chaotic Oscar I've ever seen in my life.
Guest:There's also an episode that that happened this past year.
Guest:And I again, I'm not going to name it because it would be betraying confidence.
Guest:But it is literally an episode that I think was one of our great episodes this year.
Guest:And it almost did not air because when it was done, the person contacted us and said, I would like you to not air that.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:And we were kind of confused by that.
Guest:It didn't seem like there was anything.
Guest:And I kind of gathered what the hesitation was.
Guest:And I said, can you do me one favor, speaking with a representative of this person?
Guest:I said, can I send you an edit of it, how it's going to sound?
Guest:Oh, cool.
Guest:And can you listen to it?
Guest:And then you get back to me.
Guest:And it took some time, but we were able to get it there.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:And Ben Kingsley finally said, yes.
Guest:No, it wasn't Ben Kingsley.
Guest:But that did happen.
Guest:And we were very happy that it happened.
Guest:And that's how we go about our business.
Guest:We've had guests...
Guest:outright say do not air that please do not and we're not going to this is not like a you know follow up on a question that was asked on the last show nobody's being paid to do this show so if they're you know we didn't we're not trapping them in a in in a room and forcing them to record something it's all voluntary would do do other podcasts like have you heard of people doing this with other podcasts
Guest:like well i know that would be the case with news right like if you were doing this on under like a journalistic premise of i'm interviewing you for the new york times right and it's on the record you're on the record right if you called me up and i'm you know the reporter and you're like please don't air that i'd be like that's my choice not yours we already entered into that agreement interesting
Guest:All right.
Guest:This question is from Sarah.
Guest:It says, where do you all read movie reviews these days?
Guest:You've talked a lot about Cisco and Ebert, but where do you turn these days?
Guest:All my usual places have dried up for me in recent years, and I have the damnedest time keeping up with new releases.
Guest:I don't even see most trailers these days.
Guest:Help me get back in the loop if you can.
Guest:Appreciate any ideas and really dig listening to you two talk about movies.
Guest:That's a good point, Sarah, because I found a gaping hole when Roger Ebert was gone from this earth.
Guest:That was the writer I read the most about all movies.
Guest:But I will say that, you know, in doing so, I found others at the same time that I admired.
Guest:And I think that's the key.
Guest:It has to be someone you trust, right?
Guest:And I think what I wind up doing nowadays when I see a movie come out, first of all, I kind of feel like my opinion is the one that matters.
Guest:So I don't really read anything before watching a movie.
Guest:But I definitely enjoy engaging with film writing after I've seen something.
Guest:I'm thinking about seeing it when I saw The Killer.
Guest:I was like, I just want to find out what everyone's reaction to this was.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And what I wind up doing is I'll go to one of those sites like Metacritic and look at the critic reviews.
Guest:And I literally just go through it by name, not by outlet or something, but like, do I know that person from writing they've done in the past?
Guest:And...
Guest:It's like they build up capital with me.
Guest:If I've read enough things where I've found it, even if I don't agree with it, I've found it to be good, insightful film writing, I will read it.
Guest:David Sims from The Atlantic, who's on the Blank Check podcast, he's definitely one I will click on.
Guest:I believe his name is Bilge Ibiri.
Guest:He's usually the writer for New York Magazine.
Guest:I'll read his stuff.
Guest:Matt Singer, who wrote the Siskel and Eber book, I'll read his stuff.
Guest:It's all about trust.
Guest:And, you know, if I trust what I've read of theirs in agreement or disagreement, I will continue to read them.
Guest:So I think you just have to kind of do that on your own, build up your own trust relationships.
Guest:I usually like the critics at the New York Times, whether that was A.O.
Guest:Scott when he was writing more regularly or Manola Dargis.
Guest:You'll find your own, though.
Guest:And that's my suggestion.
Marc:Yeah, I have not found my replacement, so I'm still in the wild.
Marc:I do enjoy Matt Singer, his reviews, but yeah, I still have yet to find another person to fill that hole that Ebert and Siskel left.
Guest:Another comment came in to us.
Guest:No name attached to this, but I'm happy to answer it.
Guest:It says, I've been a fan and WTF listener for quite some time.
Guest:I'm also a mega fan and supporter of The Guardian in the UK.
Guest:Why have we never heard about you doing work for that glorious old rag?
Guest:Are there any more amazing secrets or liberal activism we should know about?
Guest:Well, if you're referring to the fact that Mark and I did work for The Guardian in the 2008 election, that was something we were hired to do based on a film company that The Guardian was working with.
Guest:They knew Mark from the Air America radio documentary and asked him to be the person who did a cross country trip that they were doing, like basically a video blog for the Guardian website.
Guest:And as Mark's producer, I went along with it.
Guest:We did a cross country three week trip from starting in L.A.
Guest:and ending in Washington, D.C.
Guest:And it was following the Obama campaign and the McCain campaign.
Guest:And yes, a great, wonderful time of my life.
Guest:I don't have any other stories of working with The Guardian, but that was it.
Guest:Now, in terms of secrets of liberal activism, you know, I worked.
Guest:for air America radio.
Guest:And so did Chris.
Guest:And that was based.
Guest:That's not a secret at all.
Guest:We've have shows here on the full Marin where we, uh, go through some of our old audio from, uh, the morning sedition show.
Guest:You can scroll back to those.
Guest:Uh, I believe we titled that good morning geniuses.
Guest:If you want to search that.
Guest:Um, so yes, no, no real secret, uh,
Guest:Uh, I'm, uh, you know, avowed liberal and have, uh, been so my whole life.
Guest:And, uh, that is, uh, that is my past.
Guest:And basically I, you know, think the same for Mark.
Guest:Like what you see is what you get.
Guest:There's no secrets.
Guest:He's, he is, uh, you know, he wears his political allegiances on his sleeve.
Guest:And, uh, when he wants to promote something or, uh, encourage something, tell people to go out and vote or to go support this cause or that cause he does.
Marc:And I don't think anyone cares about what I think, but I will say, I don't remember being political when I was a kid, but I do remember being on air with the talk show at the time on WNEW when Gore and Bush were jockeying, you know, where Florida happened with the Hanging Chads.
Marc:And
Guest:Like that night?
Guest:Yes, that night.
Marc:And I remember being so pumped that Al Gore won.
Marc:And I was just a guy from Staten Island, which is shocking to me that I was a Gore guy.
Marc:And then it just flipped.
Marc:To Bush.
Marc:And those guys were just making fun of me as if like the Mets just lost the World Series.
Guest:Oh, man.
Marc:Who were they?
Marc:Who was it?
Marc:It was Ron and Fez.
Marc:It was the host.
Marc:Oh, it was Ron and Fez.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:Yeah, so it was a bad scene, man.
Guest:Yeah, you and the rest of the country and world.
Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, listen, we're going to move into something that we recorded a couple weeks ago, and I actually had to cut out of the show.
Guest:But before we do that, I wanted to give a shout out to some other people who have written in some comments to us that, you know, were...
Guest:very detailed about why they're enjoying the show and the, the, the, you know, appreciation they have for, uh, the Friday show and all the bonus content we're doing here on the full Marin, uh, Ramses from Puerto Rico, uh, Brett, Lucy from Arlington Heights, Ramon from LA by way of New Jersey, Manolo, Ginny, uh, Dave, the Roger Ebert fan.
Guest:Uh, that's how they all
Guest:all identified themselves in their comments.
Guest:And so I would like to say thank you to all of them for writing in and giving us their peace of mind and telling us what is valuable to them about the show and the things that they're liking.
Guest:Thank you to all of you who have been listening for the past year and subscribing to the full Marin.
Guest:You know, I speak for myself here, Chris, you can chime in whatever you want.
Guest:Uh, I, uh, have really enjoyed doing this from a position where I wasn't sure I was going to enjoy it.
Guest:I thought, oh shit, we've got like a lot of new subscribers.
Guest:We got to try to get them to hang on.
Guest:We did so by offering some wrestling content, but then it slowly kind of evolved into us understanding what other things we could talk about and offer to people on here.
Guest:And I've been very happy with it.
Guest:I know that we're getting feedback from people saying they're happy with the Friday show.
Guest:And so we'll just keep doing it as long as you're listening.
Guest:Everyone out there who is subscribing is apparently listening, whether you keep it on for the whole time or not.
Guest:So thank you for that.
Guest:I don't know, Chris, do you have anything to add?
Marc:Yeah, just thank you so much.
Marc:Thank you, Brendan, for bringing me along on this journey.
Marc:I'm both shocked and also really proud of
Guest:Well, good.
Guest:I mean, I couldn't do it without you.
Guest:No, I mean that.
Guest:I wouldn't do it without you.
Guest:Like, I would not be doing this if it was just me sitting here at a microphone.
Guest:We would have had to refund people their money.
Marc:Well, I mean, just I am over the moon.
Marc:Like, the fact that I can say I've been on WTF with Marc Maron and to just have you both in my orbit has been just a delight.
Marc:And to have you...
Marc:At home listening, thank you so much.
Marc:I am extremely honest, almost to a fault.
Marc:And thank you all so much for listening and continuing to listen.
Marc:It is a joy to do this.
Marc:And thank you all.
Guest:Well, I echo Chris and also his honesty will be on display once again on next Monday's show, which we're airing on the WTF feed.
Guest:It will be a special compilation of the Friday show from this past year, which will absolutely include Chris's story about being banned for life from the Park Slope food co-op.
Guest:So if you want to hear that story again, or if you've never heard it, Monday's WTF, which is New Year's Day.
Guest:So we're basically, you know, taking off from the regular show.
Guest:It will be a Friday show compilation.
Guest:Enjoy that.
Guest:And then on Thursday, it is our 1500th episode, which is crazy.
Yeah.
Guest:Uh, and, uh, we had a lot of irons in the fire for this.
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:And there is, I cannot tell you what it is because literally as of the time we were recording this, which is last week.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:There's still some possibilities up in the air.
Marc:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:But here's why I don't, I'm not like, there's no panic or anything because Mark recorded an episode with someone and
Guest:That was so good.
Guest:And he was like, this might be my favorite talk I've ever had.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:It was not expected.
Guest:Like, it was not like you would see the name and be like, oh, that's like the best WTF episode ever.
Guest:I guarantee it.
Guest:But it just wound up happening that way.
Guest:And so...
Guest:We are highly considering that episode being the 1500th episode.
Guest:The problem is some requests went out to other people who have still, who are still on the hook, potentially being the 1500th episode.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Marc:Wait, so, so wait, can you just record all the possibilities and I can do my reaction and you, then you can just splice in whichever one works.
Yeah.
Guest:oh like like it's it's like in a in a show where they like cover up the mouth of the animated character in the simpsons like oh i really hope chicago beats the bills right exactly
Guest:That will be next Thursday, our 1500th episode.
Guest:And right now I'm going to leave you with something that we recorded.
Guest:This is, you know, if you listen to the full Marin content, you know, I do producer cuts sometimes.
Guest:And, you know, as I mentioned, we started this off because of all the new wrestling fans that came to the show because of the wrestling with Mark series.
Guest:They were subscribed all of a sudden.
Guest:You know, saw a major uptick in our numbers, figured, oh, well, we got to give these people something of what they want.
Guest:And Chris and I, who, you know, enjoy wrestling, have talked about wrestling stuff.
Guest:And there was a couple weeks ago where we did an episode about the Survivor Series around Thanksgiving.
Guest:And Chris and I each talked about our favorite match.
Guest:And when I listened to it, I thought, you know what?
Guest:Chris's was good, and there's no reason to hear mine.
Guest:And it was just a kind of editorial decision I made at the time to say, why don't we just end this on a high note?
Guest:We don't have to hear a second thing.
Guest:And I cut it out of the show.
Guest:And so why leave it hidden away for no one to hear?
Guest:If you like us talking about wrestling, here it is right now.
Guest:And then we will see you in the new year.
Guest:This is Chris and I talking about Survivor Series 1988 in the WWF.
Guest:That was the one you picked was that main event of Survivor Series 87, the first one.
Guest:My mind immediately went to the following year, Survivor Series 88, also in Richfield, Ohio.
Guest:They had it in the same exact place.
Guest:So that was becoming this like Thanksgiving tradition for that town.
Guest:It's like the suburb of Cleveland.
Marc:How many years do they do it there?
Guest:Just those two.
Guest:Just those two.
Guest:I think they move it somewhere else the next year.
Guest:But yeah, that must have been awesome if you were like, you know, this was your version of having the Detroit Lions or the Dallas Cowboys.
Marc:Or the New York City Thanksgiving Day parade.
Marc:Like, yeah, this is like your thing for sure.
Guest:So my favorite thing on this show was the tag team Survivor Series match, which means same thing.
Guest:Instead of five individuals, it's five teams per team, which means 10 guys per team, which means 20 total.
Guest:Whew.
Guest:Basically, a battle royal.
Guest:Yes, reinforced the ring.
Guest:And so this particular one was the team of the Powers of Pain versus the team of Demolition.
Guest:And Powers of Pain's team is the Hart Foundation.
Guest:the Young Stallions, the Rockers, and the British Bulldogs.
Guest:Great stuff, by the way.
Guest:Oh, there's some heavy, heavy hitters just there, right there.
Guest:You know, it's already awesome.
Guest:We're seeing, you know, the Hart Foundation come out, Bret Hart's slapping five and everything.
Guest:You're like, oh, wow, he's way into this.
Guest:The Rockers, Shawn Michaels is out there.
Guest:British Bulldogs.
Guest:I gotta say, too.
Guest:The powers of pain come out and they're very over when they come out, which is weird considering what happens in the match and whatever, what the, what the intended booking was here.
Guest:And so we'll get to that.
Guest:I'll also point out hearkening back to an episode we did a few months ago, how we talked about sometimes, uh, theme music would get recycled.
Guest:These guys come out, they're using the one, two, three kids later music.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:It's just kind of slightly retooled for the one, two, three kid.
Guest:But if you listen to it, it's exactly what it is.
Guest:Oh, funny.
Guest:But speaking of music, the best music in the match belongs to Demolition.
Guest:Sure does.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Which is a great song by Rick Derringer, the same guy who did I Am A Real American, Hulk Hogan's theme.
Guest:Also known from the 70s for Rock and Roll Hoochie Coo.
Guest:Same guy.
Guest:But yes, he has Demolition's theme song, which is just fantastic.
Guest:I'd put it on today and drive around if I wanted to.
Guest:Uh, and when they come out with this music playing and they have their, they're the tag team champions, they're wearing their leather gear with stuff.
Guest:I mean, they're basically like S and M guys.
Guest:It's like a team of gimps, but, but they're kind of supposed to just be like a ripoff of the road warriors.
Guest:Right.
Guest:They have, although at this point transcended that, like they are their own thing.
Guest:People think demolition is cool.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Which is part of the problem.
Guest:They are, as you see them coming out here, too cool to stay as heels.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So we'll get into that as the match goes on.
Guest:They're out there with the Bolsheviks, the Brain Busters, which is still such a head trip to see Arne Anderson and Tully Blanchard in the WWF, even though they were only there for about a year.
Guest:It's still crazy.
Guest:The Rougeau brothers and then the Conquistadors.
Guest:What the fuck was this, Brendan?
Guest:So the Conquistadors were a jobber team.
Guest:They're not, it's not a special team for this survivor series.
Guest:It's not two guys that you don't know who they are under the mask.
Guest:They were like the Brooklyn brawler or iron Mike sharp.
Guest:They were jobbers on the weekend shows that had like, there were, there were name jobbers, right?
Guest:They never won matches, but you'd know who they were, right?
Guest:Like that's the category that the conquistadors fell into.
Marc:And what's their, what's their outfit, Brendan?
Guest:Oh, like basically they look like golden hot dogs, right?
Guest:With luchador masks, right?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Full gold leotards, you know, soup to nuts.
Guest:And they have, yes, golden masks.
Guest:So just covered gold masked dudes in, you know, body stockings.
Guest:And...
Guest:When this match gets put together, they had this same match the year before with 10 tag teams, and they were all 10 legit teams.
Guest:I guess what happened this time, you had to be led to think, was, well, really, they don't have 10 legit teams.
Guest:They have nine.
Guest:So you kind of put this jobber team in with the bad guys.
Guest:Well, what does that tell you?
Guest:Well, that tells you that the bad guys are, like, at a man disadvantage, right?
Guest:These jobbers are going to get, you know...
Guest:iced pretty quickly yeah well just you wait so this match gets started by the way murderers row of managers on the outside thank you there were so many managers there like but the greatest managers ever it's it's bobby heen and jimmy hart and mr fuji and mr fuji can we just say looks great with he has this eye makeup on that for demolition yeah
Marc:But looks very good.
Guest:Is it for demolition?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:When he started managing demolition, he started putting face paint on as well.
Guest:Okay, because I did notice it looked a lot like the Powers of Pain.
Guest:Well, there you go.
Marc:Yeah, like very similar to Powers of Pain.
Marc:But yeah, murderer's row of managers outside.
Guest:Also, did you notice they wheeled out a jib for this match so that they could have a camera that floated above the ring?
Marc:Dude, this was like the best part of this match was the alternate angles that you had to get.
Guest:Yeah, it's such a weird camera orientation the whole match because they can't go to the hard cam that you're used to.
Guest:Because it's blocked.
Guest:There's too many dudes.
Marc:Because there's too much meat there.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So there's...
Marc:There's a lot of over the shoulder angles that you never see.
Guest:And it's actually like right from the bottom of the mat.
Guest:Like the camera guy is leaning the camera in underneath the bottom rope.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I love the camera orientation for the whole mat.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It was definitely different.
Marc:And so to the point where that the announcers were like, we can't even call the action on us.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like when a few teams got eliminated, they're like, well, finally we can see what's going on.
Guest:All right, so this is going to work just the same way as the other matches.
Guest:You get eliminated, you're gone, but that also means your partner is gone.
Guest:Okay, that sucks.
Guest:And what happened?
Guest:That sucks, by the way.
Guest:Well, yes, but otherwise you'll have a 90-minute match.
Marc:That's true.
Marc:That's true.
Fair.
Guest:So the first team that gets eliminated is on the heel side.
Guest:If I said that to you after listing the teams that are on this before, right?
Guest:Demolition, Bolsheviks, Brain Busters, Rougeau Brothers, Conquistadors.
Guest:Who do you think is the first team that will get eliminated?
Guest:The Conquistadors, 100%.
Guest:And I bet my mortgage on it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And the team that gets eliminated first is the Rougeau Brothers.
Guest:Unbelievable.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So that's already, you know, you're like, my God, this hit.
Guest:The other crazy thing about that is like, even if you were surprised the conquistadors were still around, it's like, why didn't they eliminate somebody from the baby face side first?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because now this heel team looks decimated.
Guest:Right.
Guest:They've lost the first fall and they have essentially three teams and two gold jobbers.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That's it.
Right.
Guest:So now you're like, what the hell?
Guest:Well, here's the other thing.
Guest:There is a reason the Rougeaus got eliminated first.
Guest:And a reason the British Bulldogs stick around for as long as they do.
Guest:Because right before this Survivor Series, there was some heat between the Rougeaus and the Bulldogs, who were like legit...
Guest:angry at each other.
Guest:Something happened where, uh, I think money was involved or something got just some piece of property got destroyed and whatever it, the bulldogs were at fault.
Guest:And for whatever reason it was, apparently Jacques Rougeau punched dynamite kid with a roll of quarters in the face for real.
Guest:What?
Guest:And so these guys were going to kill each other.
Guest:Oh,
Guest:And the Bulldogs were deemed to be at fault or for whatever reason.
Guest:I have no idea in wrestler court.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And they were getting fired.
Guest:This was their last match.
Guest:And so Vince tells the Rougeos.
Guest:you are going to get eliminated.
Guest:And then you are literally going to get out of town.
Guest:And they gave them enough time to get out of the ring, shower up and get to the airport, fly away from here.
Guest:So that by the time the bulldogs went backstage, there'd be no encounter, right?
Guest:There would be no further escalation.
Guest:And yeah, that was playing out in the match.
Guest:That's why that happened?
Guest:Holy cow.
Guest:So yes, for all you people who are new to wrestling and you can't believe that CM Punk got in a fight with so-and-so backstage, Jack Perry and the Young Bucks and all this, this has been happening forever.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:You put these testosterone-laden meatheads around each other and fights are going to happen.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Um, okay.
Guest:So the Rougeos are out.
Guest:One of the things that I noticed early on in this match is that the crowd cheers so loud.
Guest:Anytime a new guy comes in the match, like tag to Bret Hart, huge pop.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Tag to the warlord, huge pop.
Guest:Like every guy gets this like huge ovation and all they do is walk into the ring.
Guest:And this is underscoring how big a deal it was to see the stars.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:These were larger than life.
Marc:We were starving for it.
Marc:We were like, these are movie stars.
Marc:And I just want to see them do their thing.
Guest:Yeah, for sure.
Guest:Then the other thing that's great about this match is that it is a mixture of workers and power guys.
Guest:right yeah so you've got your tully your arn your sean michaels brett hart these guys who can work circles around anyone and everything they do they get in the ring it looks so smooth but then you know it's like it actually helps for like a guy like nikolai volkov who's usually crap but then he'd come in and throw like one big power move right and then tag out to one of the good wrestlers like it actually
Guest:the balance of it is is is it's like a pool where you're like i got it just right yeah like the chlorine and the ph everything's working in this pool right now at one point finally axe tags in and then the warlord from the powers of pain tags in you'd think it was hogan and the ultimate warrior like this crowd goes crazy for them and it's just two big guys banging on each other you know uh
Guest:young stallions they're the first ones eliminated from the babyface team that's kind of expected they were the low team on the totem pole okay bolsheviks they were next also expected so now you've got two good teams and a team of jobbers with the with the bad guys and the babyfaces have four good teams still in the ring
Guest:Jesse and Guerrilla, at this point, start calling attention to the fact that the Conquistadors are still in this match.
Guest:I'm surprised these Conquistadors.
Guest:It made me actually wonder if they did not smarten them up about this.
Guest:They were so shocked that these jobbers are still in this match.
Guest:If it was something they knew about, I would think the way they drew attention to it would be different.
Guest:Instead, they sounded genuinely shocked.
Guest:I can't believe these guys are doing so well.
Totally.
Guest:So then there's just a brief spot I want to call attention to where the barbarian is in there and Smash of Demolition, or as we also know him, Repo Man is in there.
Guest:And he takes the barbarian over and puts him in a chin lock that wouldn't hurt a five-year-old.
Guest:right it's it's a very simple resting move where you put your hand on the bottom of the chin your other hand on the top of the guy's head and you just turn his head slightly at an angle and make a face so that it looks like you're cranking on his neck you are doing nothing to this man and he screams at the warlord look at your stinking partner now you hear every word of that yeah and the crowd is clapping it's wild
Guest:They are so into it with this guy in a dumb chin lock trying to get him to will him back.
Guest:Come on, you can do it.
Guest:And this is where Jesse has just a tremendous line.
Guest:He says, this monsoon is a classic example of why wrestlers train their necks so hard.
Ha ha ha!
Guest:I love it.
Guest:It's like this guy might as well be taking a nap.
Guest:He's like sleeping.
Guest:He's sleeping with his head in an angle.
Marc:And this is why wrestlers train their necks so hard.
Marc:Which for me as a kid, I'm just like thinking in that moment of like just an 80s montage of like working to the limit, you know, like Rocky, like, you know, training.
Marc:But it's just like neck exercises.
Marc:Slightly to this side, slightly to that side.
Marc:Just ridiculous.
Guest:The exciting life of a pro wrestler.
Guest:Jim the Anvil is in there.
Guest:He is... Two things I want to point out about Jim the Anvil.
Guest:He is throwing these forearms that are legitimately connecting with people's faces.
Guest:I don't know how someone didn't just potato him right in the face because he is hitting them so hard.
Guest:He's also working like at a fast pace to the point where I noticed him above all the other wrestlers in the ring has the sweatiest ass.
Yeah.
Guest:It's like creating the outline of a butthole right on his tights.
Guest:Oh no.
Marc:It's very noticeable.
Marc:Oh no.
Marc:And that pink spandex.
Marc:Oh boy.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Conversely, Bret Hart comes in, his tag team partner.
Guest:He is not sweating out of his ass.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And his punches are absolutely beautiful.
Guest:They were beautiful.
Guest:He had, I think it was Tully Blanchard, has him in the corner and he is looking like he is just doing a number on this guy that would get you arrested on any street corner in America, right?
Guest:Oh my God, put that, it's massive assault right there.
Guest:They're not touching him at all.
Guest:You can see, like, if you were to pause it, you would see how light these punches are.
Guest:They just, they look so great.
Guest:And Hitman, though, is eliminated there in one of the only times I've ever seen that dumb finish work, right?
Guest:There's this dumb finish that wrestlers do where they don't want somebody to take the pin.
Guest:So you suplex a guy and your two shoulders go down.
Guest:Both guys, two shoulders go down.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And then one guy lifts his shoulder at the last minute.
Guest:He's the guy who survived, even though he might've been the guy taking the move.
Guest:This happens a lot and nobody ever buys it.
Guest:This crowd thought the hit man won the fall.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:They're cheering for him.
Guest:They're yay.
Guest:And then the ref pulls his arm down because he clearly is the guy who didn't get two arms up.
Guest:And they're booing this decision out of the building.
Guest:It's the only time I've ever seen it work.
Marc:It was really confusing.
Marc:And honestly, the lack of a replay was criminal.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I can't believe we don't see that pin the rest of the night.
Marc:They don't show it on replay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:No.
Marc:Brett's apparently being screwed for a very long time.
Marc:Like, I can't believe we didn't see that.
Guest:So the Hearts are then eliminated, and then you lose both the Brain Busters and the Rockers, which knocks the match down quite a bit at that point, because those are the real workers.
Guest:You just lost Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Marty Jannetty, Arne Anderson, Tully Blanchard.
Guest:These are five phenomenal wrestlers, and they're now pretty quickly all out of the match.
Guest:And those two teams got double disqualified, right?
Guest:Double DQ, yes.
Guest:So now you're left, though, with two teams each.
Guest:And I remember this at the time.
Guest:It was like, what the hell are they doing with these conquistadors?
Guest:Are they going to do this shit?
Guest:Or is Macho Man Randy Savage one of them?
Guest:He's going to take his mask off?
Guest:This is crazy.
Guest:Because these conquistadors, now you're down to eight guys.
Guest:It went from 20 to eight.
Guest:And so these conquistadors have to be in the match more often.
Guest:And when they come in, all that happens is they get their asses handed to them by these giants.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And every time they get her ass is handed to him by a giant, they then wind up tagging out.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And like gorilla is apoplectic at one point.
Guest:I can't believe it.
Guest:Stop.
Guest:Oh my gosh.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So then Dynamite Kid, he misses a headbutt and jobs to a clothesline.
Guest:That should be a hint, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That these guys are on the way out.
Guest:Literally.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:That's their last match.
Guest:And then they're fired when you have to take a pin after a clothesline.
Guest:Just pathetic.
Guest:That's a clue.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:uh okay but so now you're down to demolition and the conquistadors against powers of pain by the logic of the match okay baby faces are at a disadvantage that's always good for wrestling and that but here's the thing so axe comes in he's beating on the warlord and it's very noticeable that he's getting applause yeah like people like these demolition they're cool they pummel guys right it's like they're merciless um
Guest:Then you have this moment where Fuji gets on the apron, clearly botching his cue.
Guest:He gets on there while Axe is in the ring.
Guest:As we find out, he was supposed to get up there when Smash was there.
Guest:But I actually think this helped.
Guest:This is like an inadvertent botch that made the storytelling better.
Guest:Because they the announcers now just think Mr. Fuji's up to no good.
Guest:Right.
Guest:He keeps getting on the apron.
Guest:He's trying to take a swing at someone with that steel cane.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Clearly made of wood.
Guest:But this steel cane.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so now they're drawing more attention to Fuji than they would have if he actually hit his cue at the right time.
Guest:Gorilla's incredulous.
Guest:He's like, what is he doing up there again?
Guest:Why is he?
Guest:He is trying to get involved in this match, Jesse Ventura.
Guest:So now you're paying attention to Fuji.
Guest:And that this is when Smash, who's now the guy in the ring, comes off the ropes.
Guest:Fuji parts the ropes.
Guest:For his own guy to fall out and hit his head on the ground.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:Now, demolition, wondering what the hell's going on.
Marc:They're fighting with Fuji.
Marc:Can I just say, at this point, one of, I guess it's Axe, he actually calls for timeout.
Guest:Yes!
Marc:He's like begging with the ref.
Marc:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, timeout.
Marc:I gotta find out what happened out here.
Marc:Can we knock this whole thing off for a second?
Marc:We gotta get some answers.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:So these guys are arguing with Fuji.
Guest:Fuji starts hitting him with the cane.
Guest:So they beat up their own manager, Mr. Fuji.
Guest:It gets a pop.
Guest:Huge pop.
Guest:Put a pin in that.
Guest:The crowd is ready to cheer for demolition.
Guest:They have been through the whole match.
Guest:You could hear it.
Guest:They're applauding when they get in there and they're clubbering, guys.
Guest:Now the crowd cheers because they body slam Mr. Fuji.
Guest:The next step that happens, and now it becomes clear, why are the conquistadors still in this match?
Guest:So the supposed baby faces, the powers of pain, go over and help Mr. Fuji off the ground.
Guest:Brush him off.
Guest:Brush him off like he fell off a bike.
Marc:Also, like readjusting his hat.
Marc:That's hilarious.
Guest:And then they walk him over gently to their corner.
Guest:He's now in their corner.
Guest:So that's, to me, unambiguous.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They just took the heel manager and put him in their corner.
Guest:So he's there now heels, right?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Then the conquista.
Guest:And here's another thing.
Guest:The conquistadors are the type of jobbers who the powers of pain have been beating up on TV every week.
Guest:They should be able to beat the conquistadors.
Guest:But what needs to happen?
Guest:The conquistador comes off the ropes.
Guest:Mr. Fuji pulls his leg, trips him up.
Guest:And then the barbarian jumps on him, pins him.
Guest:One, two, three...
Guest:Huge pop from the crowd.
Guest:That wasn't supposed to happen.
Guest:Then Mr. Fuji gets in the ring.
Guest:They put him on their shoulders and parade around with him.
Guest:Demolition sees this in the back and justified, unlike Hulk Hogan the previous year, runs out and beats up the powers of pain and the crowd boos.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:What?
Guest:Is this the dumbest crowd you've ever... How did they not get what was happening in front of their face?
Guest:The most obvious story you could ever tell.
Guest:Now, granted...
Guest:This is a very rare thing to have a double turn in wrestling.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:See, that I was going to say.
Marc:It's hard.
Marc:I mean, yeah.
Marc:I mean, I think there's a clip of Triple H and Giamatti, the guy from The Holdovers.
Marc:What's his name?
Marc:Oh, Paul Giamatti?
Marc:Yeah, Paul Giamatti.
Marc:They're talking on like billions and like Triple H is in there being like, ooh, a double turn.
Marc:It's really tricky to pull off.
Marc:Oh, that's funny.
Guest:I never saw that.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Marc:It's very funny.
Guest:But it is.
Guest:I mean, like the famous one is Stone Cold and Bret Hart.
Guest:Like that's a double turn.
Guest:And the weirdest thing is the crowd was so into the demolition.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Did they forget?
Yeah.
Guest:It's bizarre.
Guest:It's also why for decades, Vince McMahon treated the audience like they were morons because many times they showed him that they were.
Guest:So you'd watch these things and you're like, why is this so dumb and obvious?
Guest:And it's like, oh, because he didn't trust them to understand a thing that he was showing them.
Marc:This crowd is a bunch of dumb dubs.
Marc:We got, we got a really spoopy.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You got a sign saying this is the bad one?
Guest:Yeah, let's knock this one down in a couple notches.
Guest:But still, I have to say, it was amazing watching this again.
Guest:All those guys in the ring.
Guest:The amount of time that this goes is almost preposterous, but it's always engaged.
Guest:Like, there's never really... It doesn't slow down.
Guest:It's just constantly guys in the ring.
Guest:So you're always watching something.
Guest:And these are, you know, just very intricately booked to have the right eliminations and the right timing for these things.
Guest:Like, you know...
Guest:They're not going to do matches like this anymore, but I'm glad they exist.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:And I really enjoy the camera angles of it.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:It's something I would never saw before, except for in my basement, playing with all my toys.
Marc:Yeah, sitting over it yourself.
Marc:Yeah, so I'm like, oh yeah, this checks out.
Marc:This is exactly how I pictured it when I was doing it myself.
Yeah.
Guest:All right, that's it.
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Guest:And until 2024, I'm Brendan, and that's Chris.
Peace.