BONUS Producer Cuts - Albert Brooks, Jesse David Fox and Marc's Monologues from November
Guest:Happy New Year, Full Marin listeners.
Guest:Thank you so much for being subscribed to the Full Marin.
Guest:If you're new here, welcome.
Guest:If you've been with us for any portion of the last year, I really thank you for sticking around.
Guest:Because I think 2023 was when Mark and I really kind of figured out what we wanted the Full Marin bonus content to be.
Guest:And this is one of those things.
Guest:We do producer cuts here every once in a while.
Guest:and if you're new to this the producer cut episodes are when i take the things that i had to edit out of the show for whatever reason that i still think some people might want to hear this isn't just stuff that you know i cut and didn't think was very good this is stuff i cut for a reason whether it was time or just overall pacing or particular content decisions and i
Guest:I still think that people subscribing to the full Marin who like hearing lots of stuff on WTF will get something of value out of this.
Guest:And we've typically been doing these every month for the month of November.
Guest:There were lots of things that I felt could go in producer cuts.
Guest:So we split this up across two episodes.
Guest:Uh,
Guest:If you haven't heard last week's bonus episode, that was the Producer Cuts November part one.
Guest:This is part two.
Guest:And let's get right into it.
Guest:This first clip comes from episode 1488 with Fisher Stevens.
Guest:And I labeled this when I when I cut it out and I put it in a file that I squirreled away in my Producer Cuts folder.
Guest:It says opening overshare.
Guest:And I can tell you what that means.
Guest:That means sometimes right out of the gate, I feel like Mark turns the microphones on and his brain is going somewhere and he has a lot to say.
Guest:And sometimes he kind of forgets that like he should welcome the audience.
Guest:And then it happens.
Guest:And I wind up taking the stuff out.
Guest:That was the lead up to that.
Guest:And in this case, I thought, well, if I didn't have to cut this out, I would like people to hear it.
Guest:And so this is for you for full Marin listeners from episode 1488.
Guest:Mark's opening over share.
Marc:I hope you're well.
Marc:I hope you're dealing.
Marc:I hope you're getting through it and maybe experiencing some, I don't want to say joy, but at least some relatively okayness.
Marc:OK is the new happy.
Marc:I'm sure I didn't make that up, but but that's the best you can hope for.
Marc:I hope you can hear a difference in my voice because I do feel better today.
Marc:A couple of people said they noticed something weird with my voice, and it was because I didn't I was not emotionally fortified and I did not quite have my my my my shields up properly.
Marc:Sometimes you can't you can't get them.
Marc:You can't get the deflectors up.
Marc:Sometimes reality just comes at you.
Marc:And I don't know if you're if you're running low on spiritual fuel or soul gas.
Marc:Sometimes they'll just creep right in.
Marc:And you can't you know, you've got to no matter how much you fuck with the deflector shield switches, they don't come back up.
Marc:And I'm not talking about.
Marc:being guarded necessarily, though we all are a bit.
Marc:I'm just talking about the basic, you know, kind of maybe slightly porous deflector shields that enable you to get out and get into the world and engage without draining whatever's around you of their life force because of your unbridled neediness, even though it's nebulous.
Marc:Nebulous neediness.
Marc:The worst kind.
Marc:I'm sure you can track it.
Marc:But do you know what I'm talking about?
Marc:Come on, do you?
Marc:Come on, sad people.
Marc:Come on, do you?
Marc:I was in my hometown.
Marc:What do you want from me?
Marc:It took a few days.
Guest:All right.
Guest:And then in the very next episode, 1489 with Taika Waititi, that was a pretty substantial interview.
Guest:And so when Mark sent me a monologue that was like 30 minutes long, I was just looking for somewhere to cut so that it wasn't so much monologue and then so much interview.
Guest:And this portion that you're about to hear was actually replicated in Mark's email newsletter that he sends out to people who are signed up on WTFpod.com.
Guest:And so I just thought this is the thing that I can cut out, even though I like it.
Guest:It exists elsewhere.
Guest:And if Mark wants to do it again, he always has the option to do it again.
Guest:I always tell him that he very rarely takes me up on it.
Guest:And I think now we have this great outlet of the full Marin where I can present these to you just as Mark recorded them before they were taken out of the show.
Marc:But Denver, man, I just I I had I just noticed that.
Marc:that I do this and I don't mind being in a hotel.
Marc:I get a little nervous going out into the world because this country terrifies me.
Marc:I know there are other problems in the world, but it seems that the pressing threat of fascism here is not addressed nearly enough.
Marc:I'm not saying that it's happening everywhere I go.
Marc:And also, I think the best of people.
Marc:I talk to people one-on-one and
Marc:And almost always I have a nice experience, even if they're assholes.
Marc:I do not really think that people are innately good.
Marc:I don't think they're innately decent.
Marc:And I think I've said this before.
Marc:I think a lot of them are sad, scared and or angry.
Marc:But, you know, usually my paranoia doesn't play itself out almost never.
Marc:And people are OK.
Marc:They're okay, but I do feel they're wary.
Marc:I do get a sense of wariness.
Marc:I do, sometimes when I go away, feel like an outsider, an alien.
Marc:But I'm not saying I haven't felt that before.
Marc:I've felt that all my fucking life.
Marc:But man, I was at a...
Marc:a corporate Hyatt out in the Denver Tech Park area.
Marc:And there was a convention of cowboys.
Marc:I swear to God, it was a convention of cowboys.
Marc:There was some sort of farm confab happening, a lot of boots, a lot of hats.
Marc:And look, man, I grew up in New Mexico.
Marc:I know cowboys exist.
Marc:I know they're real.
Marc:I got no problem with cowboys.
Marc:There was a lot of them at my hotel.
Marc:And I'm a little squirrely.
Marc:And I'm a little paranoid.
Marc:But I'm obviously...
Marc:you know, making light of the situation.
Marc:I was on an elevator with a couple of cowboys and they were talking about a wolf problem that what were they going to do about these wolves?
Marc:And they were hoping that these dogs they were going to bring in were going to take care of these wolves.
Marc:And, you know, that could be a metaphor for global politics on both sides on some level, but it could also be code.
Marc:I'm going to assume they didn't mean Jews.
Marc:They didn't.
Marc:I just said that.
Marc:But but ultimately, I just spent a lot of time wandering around and sitting in my hotel room and thinking I get sometimes get obsessed.
Marc:Sometimes I get obsessed with with ideas and one that sticks out in my head.
Marc:And I've talked about it here before recently is Wilhelm Reich's adage that fascism is the frenzy of sexual cripples.
Marc:And that is a kind of a pleasant and almost fun way to look at something that's much larger and much more horrible.
Marc:And then somehow or another, I got hung up on Nietzsche's quote, battle not with monsters lest you become a monster.
Marc:And if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
Marc:Everybody knows that quote.
Marc:But these things, sometimes if I get hung up on them, they just kind of happen.
Marc:They work as portals.
Marc:I just turn them around in my mind.
Marc:I know they're taken out of context.
Marc:I'm not even sure where they come from.
Marc:I think the Reich quote comes from the mass psychology of fascism.
Marc:I think that the Nietzsche quote might come from thus spake Zarathustra.
Marc:I can't contextualize it, but I can explain.
Marc:Take the poetry as it is, philosophical clickbait, cultural criticism clickbait, just little bits and pieces.
Marc:But I'll tell you, man, I tell you, if you gaze into the abyss and the abyss gazes also into you, he's clearly talking about your phone.
Marc:He's talking about our phones.
Marc:He was prescient.
Marc:He saw the future, the elaborate handheld abyss that dictates much of our thoughts, our manufactured reflection based on correlated desires, the demonic algorithms that possess us and our choices.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Good luck with the free thinking.
Marc:Good luck with the free thinking, people.
Marc:And look, it didn't help that I was watching The Matrix in my hotel room.
Marc:I was watching The Matrix with commercials.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I got to be honest with you.
Marc:I know the Matrix.
Marc:I know the movie.
Marc:I always thought it was an intelligent metaphor.
Marc:But if you watch the Matrix with commercials and you watch the commercials, it goes a little deeper.
Marc:You start to realize, like, maybe maybe not just a metaphor.
Marc:Maybe I should turn off the abyss.
Marc:How do I turn off the abyss?
Marc:I don't know, man.
Marc:Where are you going to go?
Marc:Go back to the original God algorithm.
Marc:I just can't.
Marc:Good luck with the free thinking.
Guest:OK, so that was recorded right before Thanksgiving.
Guest:And then this is from episode 1491, which was the Albert Brooks episode.
Guest:And it was recorded right after Thanksgiving.
Guest:And Albert Brooks is a guest that's going to bring people in that might not listen to the show very regularly.
Guest:And whenever that happens, whenever it's a guest like that recently, like another one was Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Guest:I want Mark to get right into it.
Guest:You know, not so much that he has to just eliminate what he does typically in the intro, but I need a new listener to kind of know what they're getting up front.
Guest:And here you'll hear from this section that I cut out.
Guest:It was like almost seven minutes of Mark talking about his Thanksgiving story.
Guest:and what went on when he was in Florida, which is great.
Guest:And if you go back and listen to that episode 1491 with Albert Brooks, you'll hear Mark talking about Thanksgiving.
Guest:There was plenty that I was able to keep in at another part of his introductory monologue.
Guest:But this right at the start, before you even introduced this kind of very big deal guest for us, Albert Brooks, we'd been looking to get on for over a decade.
Guest:I felt this was immediately expendable.
Guest:But
Guest:You know, for fans of Mark, who always kind of been following him, you're subscribed to this, so you probably, you know, like hearing about his life and things that are going on, the type of stuff he talks about on Instagram Live.
Guest:That's really what this portion is.
Guest:It's a recap of his Thanksgiving and the melancholy feelings he had around it with his aging parents.
Guest:And I thought it was really good.
Guest:It just had to go because of the nature of the episode.
Guest:So here it is right now, Mark's Thanksgiving recap from episode 1491 with Albert Brooks.
Marc:All right, first of all, did you make it through?
Marc:Are you out the other side?
Marc:Did you get through the Thanksgiving holidays unharmed?
Marc:How's it going?
Marc:Where is your head at?
Marc:What is happening?
Marc:Are you still there?
Marc:Are you still there?
Marc:I'm sorry, is it okay?
Marc:Are you still eating the stuff?
Marc:Are you still cleaning?
Marc:What are we doing?
Marc:Have you had enough?
Marc:I've learned that if I go in on the Tuesday night...
Marc:And then I shop Wednesday morning and just cook for two days.
Marc:And then I'm out the Saturday.
Marc:That's it.
Marc:I'm good.
Marc:It's enough.
Marc:And I'll be honest with you.
Marc:This holiday was pretty nice.
Marc:Well, why not admit it?
Marc:It was nice.
Marc:And I'm not sure why.
Marc:But I think it has something to do with the reality of aging.
Marc:Because at some point...
Marc:Denial is impossible.
Marc:I mean, at least from an outside perspective, I think personal denial, relative to you, that's different.
Marc:That's a crafty little fucker.
Marc:But this year, our Thanksgiving dinner was smaller because my...
Marc:Because my mom's sister, my aunt, passed away a few months ago, and we only had immediate family over.
Marc:It was just 12 people.
Marc:It was me, my mom, John, my cousins, my uncle, my cousins' kids.
Marc:It was actually, to be honest with you, the best way to do it.
Marc:It didn't even turn out to be that heavy or that sad.
Marc:As far as connecting with family, it was really the best one yet, and I've been doing this for years.
Marc:But as many of you know, I do all the cooking.
Marc:I fly in, like I said, a couple of days early and I cook for two days.
Marc:And this year was a little different because, you know, I'm a vegan.
Marc:Now, I'm not you know, I'm not an asshole vegan.
Marc:I have nothing against meat.
Marc:I have nothing against meat eaters.
Marc:But I did try some new things and it was it was pretty exciting.
Marc:I was able to make all the sides.
Marc:vegan outside of the stuffing.
Marc:And I tried to make a vegan gravy, a brown rice gravy from the Angelica cookbook.
Marc:I did... It was... You know, it just... It turned out well, but I will admit, though, when I made the turkey gravy, without even thinking about it, I took a taste.
Marc:But, you know, look...
Marc:It's not fucking drugs.
Marc:I didn't smoke crack.
Marc:I didn't do dope.
Marc:I didn't smoke weed.
Marc:I didn't have a drink.
Marc:I had a spoonful of turkey gravy.
Marc:So I'm going to go easy on myself.
Marc:These things happen.
Marc:But that's the weird thing is I know that I can't let it slip.
Marc:I know that if I just start just having cheat days on the vegan thing, it's like, what is even the fucking point?
Marc:Here's what I'm realizing, that no matter how cynical or guarded I am in the form of being funny or angry or whatever,
Marc:I am actually and it's weird because I do jokes about this in a cynical way, but I'm lucky to have my parents still alive and old because, to be honest with you, it really enables me to let the to let the sort of angry, needy kid that is stopped somewhere inside of me to let him just, you know, shut up.
Marc:and grow up.
Marc:I know it seems late to the game, and I know I've been processing this stuff for a long time, but it's sort of a long time coming, and there's now this strange acceptance to being grown up about this.
Marc:I mean, my parents...
Marc:are also not that much older than me.
Marc:I mean, they had me in their 20s, and that age gap at 60 is much different than it was, say, in my 20s.
Marc:I mean, they seem to be my contemporaries, kind of, just slightly older.
Marc:But I think what it comes down to is that after dealing with my father fairly regularly and his kind of mental decline...
Marc:it's in your face.
Marc:I have to have a level of acceptance that wasn't really there before.
Marc:That kind of slow death of my own dug-in expectations kind of opens up some kind of emotional connection that was never really there before.
Marc:I guess it feels a little safer now.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I wouldn't say that I'm fully engaged, but
Marc:I mean, I live in different places than both of them, and I don't see them that much.
Marc:But I am, you know, I don't know.
Marc:I'm just lucky that they're both being cared for and still kind of mobile.
Marc:But when I am around them, I can sort of see them for who they are, you know, which is old, in decline.
Marc:And I just, you know, have to deal and have the love that I might not have been able to really handle.
Marc:When when I was when I was younger and, you know, I guess I'm I'm OK with it all.
Marc:And I know there are hard events on the horizon and I will probably remain a bit distant around dealing with some of them.
Marc:But that's just how I'm wired.
Marc:And that's because they wired me like this.
Marc:I guess the point I'm trying to make is that cooking for two days and spending time with family was nice.
Marc:It was relaxing even.
Marc:A little sad, but in an understanding way.
Marc:How's that?
Marc:Is that all right?
Marc:And given that I'm a bit emotionally incapable of being fully open around either of my parents, I was able to, you know, I don't know, I was still, I was able to sit with it and them and enjoy their company.
Marc:But to be honest,
Marc:In full disclosure, the emotions came out later.
Marc:And I'm not proud of this, but I got to New York.
Marc:I was laying in bed.
Marc:It was midnight.
Marc:The Devil Wears Prada came on TV.
Marc:I watched the entire movie again for I don't even know how many times I've seen that movie.
Marc:And I just laid in my bed crying.
Marc:And I guess that's good.
Marc:I know it's probably about something else, but it's nice to have a context.
Marc:It's always nice to have art or entertainment, you know, cradle your fucked up emotions that, you know, can come out in relation to the story of the song and the narrative or the painting or whatever it is.
Marc:I guess that's what's art for.
Marc:For those of us that can't process their emotions properly, find some art that'll let you spill it and without explanation.
Marc:and then just attribute it to the art or the entertainment or whatever.
Marc:But no, in your heart, it's about something else.
Marc:But oddly, after The Devil Wears Prada, The Master, Paul Thomas Anderson's beautiful, disturbing movie came on, and I watched about a half hour of that, so that kind of cleansed the palate, got me stable.
Marc:But I did realize they're both movies about assistance, just with very different job requirements.
Marc:All right, look, let's do some business.
Guest:Okay, just a quick thing I had to take out of the Albert Brooks conversation itself.
Guest:There wasn't a whole lot I wanted to take out of that.
Guest:And if I did take something out, it was probably generally like somebody clearing their throat or asking to hang on for a second because of the reposition the microphone.
Guest:I wanted to leave as much content in as possible.
Guest:But if you remember that episode, if you listen to it, there was a section where Mark had to go outside the hallway and ask somebody to stop vacuuming.
Guest:And when he came back in, Mark brought something up
Guest:from earlier in the interview.
Guest:It was something about the SNL films that Albert used to make.
Guest:And I really like this two minutes here that you're going to hear where Albert just kind of ran through his SNL films.
Guest:The problem was it was off the track of what they had been talking about.
Guest:And then after they did this SNL stuff, they got back onto the train of conversation that was going on before Mark went outside the room.
Guest:So I just kind of wanted to shave this off and get that conversation rolling again before the interruption.
Guest:But this is good stuff here.
Guest:Albert and Mark reminiscing about Albert's old SNL films.
Marc:The movie I saw on SNL and the one that I'm talking about, I don't think it was yours.
Marc:It wasn't.
Guest:But again, if you liked it, I'm fine.
Marc:You'll take credit for it.
Marc:No, it was the other guy.
Marc:Who the hell was the other guy?
Marc:Tom Schiller.
Marc:Yeah, it was a Schiller thing.
Marc:But yours was, I remember seeing the other one, the long one.
Marc:And did you do the School for Comedy on there too?
Marc:No.
Guest:No, I did the School for Comedy before then for a show called The Great American Dream Machine.
Marc:And what were some of the other SNL ones real quick so I don't feel I can ask?
Guest:I had a film called The Impossible Truth about events that took place that were hard to believe that they did.
Guest:One was, it was like a newsreel, Israel and Georgia trade places.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Yeah, and the other one I use, which you couldn't do today,
Guest:I had my brother and his seven-year-old daughter in a nightclub sitting at a table, and the story was age of consent lowered to six in the state of Oregon.
Guest:And he was pissed because the reporter, excuse me, sir, could you tell me how old, would you, I'm trying to have a conversation, please.
Guest:I did the National Audience Research Institute.
Guest:That's it, yep.
Guest:I hired an institute to see exactly what makes you laugh.
Guest:Right, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Why is it funny?
Marc:Did that lead to the other one, to the comedy?
Guest:That led to real life in a way.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Yeah, in a nice way.
Marc:It's so funny, the edge of consent thing.
Marc:My parents took me to see Jackie Vernon when I was 11, and I think that's what did it.
Guest:Well, nobody would care when you were 11.
Guest:Nobody said, get that kid out of here.
Guest:Did he work dirty?
Guest:Yeah, he kind of worked dirty.
Guest:I just remember, I don't know who took the picture.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:The clicker.
Guest:The little clicker.
Guest:Yeah, the clicker.
Guest:That was a great act.
Guest:All right.
Guest:And this portion that I cut out from episode 1492 with Jesse David Fox, I call this the like for the fans stuff.
Guest:Like sometimes Mark is working through some thoughts of things and, you know, there might be a little, I think I wouldn't, I don't want to say outright alienating to, you know, newer listeners or people who might not be super familiar with Mark, but I would say like,
Guest:As Mark is getting into certain themes in his comedy, in his, you know, just recurring thoughts, themes of getting older, of the things that he's concerned about with the world, you know, there is a feeling I have to be sensitive to that, like, I don't want this to overburden people if they're new listeners to the show.
Guest:I don't want them to think that the show is somehow, you know, overwhelmingly negative.
Guest:But I do know that people like yourselves who are subscribed to The Full Marin, who know Mark, you will get this.
Guest:You will enjoy this and you will appreciate that it is consistent with the way Mark has thought about things for many, many years.
Guest:So this is just a little section from that episode where Mark is talking about a recent trip to New York and what it made him think about getting older and aging.
Marc:What have I been thinking?
Marc:What have I been doing?
Marc:What have I been seeing here in New York City?
Marc:I'm trying to relax into it.
Marc:The last couple of times I've been here, like I've had a lot of free time here.
Marc:It's not specifically for work.
Marc:I am doing the work of moderating Cliff Nesterov.
Marc:But I came up here because it seems silly to go home in between Florida and California.
Marc:last night so i just hung out because if some of you know i'm trying to figure out a way to get a place here that might happen it might be a place that needs a lot of work that uh could take some time to do but there's some part of me and i believe i've spoken to this before when i think about how i want to get old i i'm thinking i might want to be an old new york person
Marc:You see them around.
Marc:They exist.
Marc:They're out there in the world, not invisible, kind of a walking swallower, maybe a little hunched over, but on their way someplace in New York City, surrounded by a thriving, living metropolis, people walking by.
Marc:And there's nothing sad about it.
Marc:I think there's a certain dignity in it.
Marc:I mean, I guess some people, when they get very old, they go to places where they're surrounded by other old people and there's activities for them to do as they slowly peter out.
Marc:But I don't know if that doesn't seem to be my thing.
Marc:Then there's the other way.
Marc:How about a house in the country where you can just peter out there and maybe not be discovered for forever?
Marc:Weeks, maybe years.
Marc:Who knows?
Marc:I don't have kids who would be like, have you heard from dad?
Marc:I don't have anybody who's going to be like, I would just be out there like a skeleton in a chair trying to finish a book while he was thinking about doing other things around the house.
Marc:So the idea of sort of getting old or spending my, I don't know, golden years, but at least
Marc:You know, it's very hard for me, you guys.
Marc:I got to be honest with you.
Marc:It's very hard for me to think now all of a sudden.
Marc:Now that I'm 60 and I seem to have, I don't know if I've peaked, but I've certainly peaked for that part of my life.
Marc:Whatever 30 to 60 was, I've hit that peak.
Marc:Maybe there'll be another in my 60s type of peak.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:But what I do know is that it's coming down fast, whatever it is, that happens at the end.
Marc:Well, we know what it is, but let's just, I don't want to get too dark about it.
Marc:But the type of thinking that I'm battling is essentially...
Marc:Well, like, you know, why bother?
Marc:Why get a place in New York?
Marc:I mean, how much time do you have left?
Marc:And that's fucking ridiculous.
Marc:I mean, I've certainly earned whatever space that I have left here and I've earned a certain amount of maybe I can figure out a way to enjoy it.
Marc:So why not go ahead and do that as opposed to be like, well, how many years have I got?
Marc:If it takes me a couple of years to get this house, I'll be 62.
Marc:I'll probably be, you know, getting dementia by then.
Marc:And, you know, I'll just get there and then I'll just sit around my apartment wondering where I am.
Marc:Not terrible, but not preferable.
Marc:But why think like that?
Marc:Maybe I'll have a good long run.
Marc:What I'm trying to say is I'd like to be one of these old people kind of moving down the street, bundled up in New York City as the world kind of speeds by.
Marc:Because I think there's probably two ways to look at that.
Marc:One, it's like, oh, my God, I'm out of step.
Marc:I'm no longer relevant.
Marc:I'm drifting away.
Marc:I'm invisible.
Marc:I'm just a person that these people are walking by and running into.
Marc:I wonder if I'll ever make it back to my house.
Marc:It's three blocks away.
Marc:There's that idea.
Marc:But then there's the other ideas like, I'm so happy there's so much energy around me.
Marc:Look at all these people with things to do.
Marc:Look at this art.
Marc:Look at all these cars.
Marc:Look at all this excitement happening on every street corner.
Marc:Man, this makes me feel alive.
Marc:Tired, but alive.
Marc:I think I'll sit down here.
Marc:That sounds good to me.
Marc:No?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:This last segment comes from the Jesse David Fox interview itself in episode 1492.
Guest:And I just felt that this needed some context because without it...
Guest:It really just sounds like Mark bad mouthing Jerry Seinfeld.
Guest:And then I know what happens with that in this day and age.
Guest:This would get turned into a headline and we'd probably have to deal with it in some way.
Guest:And honestly, I think everyone listening to this who is subscribed to the full Marin and
Guest:probably a lot of people listening to the show regularly who aren't subscribed to this.
Guest:They know the history of this.
Guest:They know, you know, Mark having Jerry on and how the two of them kind of see comedy differently.
Guest:And Mark is just kind of doing an extension of that conversation, but with Jesse.
Guest:And I just thought without the context, it just sounds like he's bad mouthing Seinfeld.
Guest:And that's not the intent.
Guest:It's not the intent of me.
Guest:And it's not the intent of the show.
Guest:Um,
Guest:I think you can listen to this portion in the spirit, which I know it's intended.
Guest:And it is a little disappointing to me that probably back in the day, 10, 12, 14 years ago, something like this, I obviously would have left in the show, but it's a different world.
Guest:We adapt, we evolve, and we know that sometimes things get taken out of context and give us unnecessary grief.
Guest:So instead of that, let's just listen to it now, hear all of us as one happy full Marin community.
Guest:This is Mark talking with Jesse David Fox from Vulture.
Marc:You know, I agree with most of – but it's very funny to me that the initial sort of interaction in this book is this interview you have with Seinfeld.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Where he said that I could sit and talk to you for hours.
Guest:What was his – Well, there's two interactions.
Guest:I can't remember which one made in the book.
Guest:The first was we were talking for 10 minutes and I go, why did you start comedians in Cars Getting Coffee?
Guest:And I don't even – I did include the fact that from the minute he showed up to the interview, he was already like –
Guest:being antagonistic.
Guest:And I have no idea why that was, other than he's joking.
Marc:Because he's like that.
Guest:Yeah, that is, I do know why.
Guest:Everyone I've ever talked to goes, that's what he's like.
Guest:But so when we're on stage, I ask him why he did Comedians in Cars.
Guest:He goes, the only people I like talking to are comedians.
Guest:And he's talking to me.
Guest:And there is this pause, you know, where he's like, well, you're doing an okay job.
Guest:And then I say, well, it's still early.
Guest:But then later, I just ask him about joke writing, right?
Guest:I try to ask him about joke writing.
Guest:And he goes, that's my favorite thing in the world or the thing I'm most interested in the entire world.
Guest:But it bore everyone here if we talked about it.
Guest:And I just couldn't get over that.
Guest:I still can't get over it.
Marc:Yeah, but the weird thing is you got to let yourself off the hook because all he would talk about is him.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:He's not going to give you some insight into comedy because his insight into comedy is profoundly limited.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:It's extremely how to be exactly Jerry Seinfeld.
Guest:Yeah, that's the thing about Jerry Seinfeld's all theories of comedy is that they're all built on just what it's like to be Jerry Seinfeld, which is a completely limited understanding of what comedy is like for a lot of people.
Marc:Right, but it would diminish the entire premise of your book.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Because, you know, if you're going to believe him, which I don't, and I think that he's, you know, stubborn and belligerent and draws a line because that's his nature.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And he likes to, you know, put people off oddly, personally.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Not as a comic.
Marc:You know, this idea that it has no point, no purpose other than laughter.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, even just looking at, you know, how much time he puts into it, he, you know, it's not true.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But you're not going to, you know, it's just what he likes to do.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And also in the book, you know, that is part of it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, and most of the people he talks to, you know, maybe he doesn't appreciate the depth that some of them have because they make him laugh.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So he doesn't give a fuck.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:You know, how deep the joke or the implications of the joke are as long as he left.
Marc:He's not even going to think it through that much, which might be the case as well.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
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