BONUS The Friday Show - Buddy System
Guest:when i say that to you buddy comedies how does it go through your head what do you define that as i think of it as usually odd couples uh usually two people stuck with each other which is funny because that's not buddies no like when you define what a buddy is they're friends from the start
Marc:Happy New Year, Chris.
Marc:Happy 1500th episode, my guy.
Guest:Oh, thank you very much.
Guest:Thank you.
Guest:It's been, well, it's been 1500 of them.
Marc:Yeah, and a consistent 1500.
Marc:I mean, that's the biggest thing for me.
Marc:You have not taken a week off or a month off or a hiatus, changed anything.
Marc:You just keep on plugging along.
Marc:Oh, thanks.
Guest:Yeah, I'd like to point that out, though, because, you know, I did see some emails come in that people were like, hey, I thought you guys did new episodes twice a week.
Guest:What's with these repeat episodes?
Guest:It's like, yeah, that's not a day off for me, guys.
Guest:Like, I got to make those things.
Guest:That's not easy.
Guest:Rain or shine.
Guest:Yeah, sometimes I got to do more than that.
Guest:But I will let you know.
Guest:Do you want to know why those were compilation episodes?
Guest:Two main reasons.
Guest:Why is that?
Guest:So one, which leads into the second reason, is that listenership on Christmas and New Year's, if any shows ever happen to fall on those days, is way down.
Guest:So it would essentially be burying a new episode if we put it out on Christmas or New Year's.
Guest:Gotcha.
Guest:Literally like half the number of people will listen to it.
Guest:So if it's going to be a chance, we can put stuff up that a lot of people hadn't heard.
Guest:I mean, other than the people subscribed to the full Marin, people didn't hear those Monday episodes the last two weeks.
Guest:So that was good for them.
Guest:And maybe they subscribe when they hear it.
Guest:That's a good added bonus.
Guest:But then the other thing is, because of that, if we had just gone according to the numeric order, the 1500th episode would have happened last week.
Guest:And that would have been, you know, like at a time when people are on vacation, people aren't paying attention to a lot of stuff.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It just goes by the wayside.
Guest:So it was like two birds with one stone.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Put up some compilation episodes on Christmas and New Year's and then get that 1500th episode back when people are commuting, working in the swing of things with their normal routines, which is, you know, what we thought was fitting for it.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And what a 1500th episode.
Marc:Oh, you got to listen to it?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What a great time, man.
Marc:Like, from the jump, they were just having a ball with each other.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Everything Mark said, I wrote to him after he sent me the intro.
Guest:I was like, you couldn't have been more spot on with this intro.
Guest:Like, I thought the intro set up the episode and just generally both of us, how we've been feeling about, you
Guest:it set it up perfectly because we've been talking about it for a couple of weeks, months, really going back to like November.
Guest:So when we noticed it coming up on the schedule, it was like, do we do anything for, I don't know.
Guest:I mean like it, yeah, it's a big deal, but it shouldn't be a big deal.
Guest:We do this.
Guest:This is what we do.
Guest:Like what, why, why should that episode be any more special than having Albert Brooks on?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Or, or, or any number of the things that happened over the course of this past year that we were like thrilled to have happen.
Guest:William Shatner or,
Guest:or uh you know naomi klein or just these things that like mark found like personally rewarding like that's what this all is now like it's it's we're kind of at the gravy part where it's like wow just be be happy that we're still able to do this and deliver it at this level and so then to have one drop in our laps like that with paul giamatti that was so fitting and so kind of perfect in the i was listening to it dude and i was like
Guest:This sounds just like how Mark would be with comics back in the day when like they had no idea what this podcast was, including Mark.
Guest:Like it was just like, yeah, you come over, we talk and we just do a thing.
Guest:And then it goes out, I guess people hear it.
Guest:And like everyone kind of like ignored that part of it.
Guest:They just were doing it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And it's like, that was the same conversation with Paul Giamatti, just this guy coming over there talking, whatever.
Guest:But I'm like, well, that's perfect that it's that guy now.
Guest:Like Mark's in that world with him.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Their peers.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And so you could just like do the same type of conversation you've always had, but with the lens expanded as to who you can do it with.
Marc:It was such a fun time.
Marc:And it's so relatable that Mark reads books and underlines things and then has no idea about what he underlined, why he underlined it and retained anything.
Marc:It brings such joy to my heart because I do the same exact thing.
Marc:And man, it's great.
Marc:It's great to hear it from someone else.
Guest:yeah well that i mean that's the key that the whole episode was like there was just so much stuff that the two of them were relating to yeah that i was like oh well this is great because like any single person that has any one of these things now is like oh they both have that too like it's such reinforcement right right like oh my god you you've gone to old bookstores and just bought books because the covers oh my god yeah yeah yeah
Guest:I love Paul Giamatti's fear that he's going to be crushed under the bookshelves.
Marc:That's great.
Marc:Great, great stuff.
Marc:Also, the fact that Mark in his intro says deflector shields.
Marc:Why does Mark know about deflector shields?
Marc:He must have seen it on Star Trek.
Marc:Yes!
Marc:A guy who calls Star Trek, Star Trek, knows about deflector shields is just so bizarre to me.
Marc:I guess it's like a zeitgeist thing.
Marc:It means multiple things, but I mean, it's just jarring for me to hear deflector shields from Mark.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I want the next time he's like in cold weather, I want him to be like, man, I should really crawl inside my Tauntaun right now.
Guest:I thought they smelled bad on the outside.
Marc:Oh, boy.
Marc:And Matt B. Davis.
Marc:Ah, yes.
Guest:Brendan, let me ask you, have you ever run an obstacle course race?
Guest:No, I've never run them.
Guest:And I didn't know the subculture of them, but I kind of gathered that they were a thing.
Guest:Like, I mean, much the same way we watched, you know, that American Gladiators documentary.
Guest:Like, I was like, oh, OK, yeah, there are there are things where people do this.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So I've ran one.
Marc:It's fine.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I've done it.
Guest:Like as part of your marathoning?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:As part of that five-year stretch where I was searching for something, I ran an obstacle course race, a mudder race, and I hated it.
Guest:That seems like a common trait among people running these things.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:I gotta say, like, I know that that's how it was for me.
Marc:Mark said it in the interview and he just he just hit the nail on the head, honestly.
Marc:But but I digress.
Marc:But this obstacle course racer built an obstacle course on your podcast.
Guest:That's interesting.
Marc:It was fascinating.
Marc:I've never seen someone get in their own way and wanted to start a fight with someone and really just wasn't ready for pushback.
Guest:Well, what was your... So this is very interesting.
Guest:So I'm going to come at this with you...
Guest:As you are a listener of WTF.
Guest:Now, sure, you know the participants involved, but I'd say you fall into the category of audience surrogate.
Guest:I can't exactly put myself in that position.
Guest:And in fact, I'm going to take a backseat here on this one, and I have something else to say about this.
Guest:I have something to come at very strongly with this episode, but it really doesn't have anything to do with Mark or Matt.
Guest:In fact, I kind of liken this to like the Jerry Seinfeld episode where I'm like, this is a total inkblot.
Guest:I'm perfectly happy to keep my opinions to myself and let people come away with whatever conclusions that they have because I think it's absolutely valid to have all sorts of conclusions about this episode.
Guest:And if-
Guest:If you haven't listened to it yet, this was what we aired last Thursday.
Guest:This was episode 1499 with Matt B. Davis, who is part of the competitive obstacle racing community and has a website devoted to that and a podcast devoted to that and used to be in the world of stand-up comedy.
Guest:That's how Mark knows him.
Guest:And that's how they got to know each other.
Guest:And that's basically how Matt got on the show, because they are friends from maybe, I don't know, a decade, 15 years going back.
Guest:So, yes, that was the setup for this.
Guest:And yeah, what was your reaction, Chris?
Guest:Did you just kind of dip into this one cold?
Marc:Yeah, I didn't know anything about it.
Marc:I normally listen to the show.
Marc:So I put it on not knowing.
Guest:You told me you were going to listen to this on a ride out to Long Island.
Guest:And I refrained from saying anything to you.
Guest:But I was like, I wanted to be like, that might be a tense ride.
Guest:Depends on who's in the car with you.
Marc:I was there solo, so it was quite a ride to the Slender Island there.
Marc:I guess my first question that comes to my mind is, why did this guy want to pick a fight with Mark?
Marc:Like, this guy has a metaphorical loaded gun.
Marc:When he walks into this hotel room with Mark in St.
Marc:Louis, like he knows exactly what he's doing.
Marc:I hear the pieces of paper.
Marc:These are jotted down questions that he has for Mark.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Well, I mean, there's a big tell at some point in the interview, too, where he says.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Brendan, you can cut this out if you want.
Guest:It's like the ding, ding, ding happens at that moment.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:My Scooby senses are going off at that moment.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Like it was, it was an alarm bells galore.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So that's happening.
Marc:But these are just questions and comments aimed at hurting someone's feelings, at just sort of just taking a shot at someone.
Marc:And it's all calculated.
Marc:And for me, from my point of view, it's very calculated.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But what did you think about the shot that Mark took at him like right out of the blocks?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, right.
Guest:Like the first thing Mark says to him is like, oh, so this documentary, did you show anybody this before you put it up on YouTube?
Guest:Like, did that read to you in a certain way?
Marc:Or you were just like, that's just Mark.
Marc:I've – that's a comment that Mark has – makes to friends.
Marc:Like he's just – like he says it to Dan Pashman.
Marc:Like he'll say it to me about anything.
Marc:Like he's – that's just a funny comment.
Marc:Why?
Marc:Is that –
Guest:I think that's funny because you, you, you know, there, there was that point where Mark brings up like, you know, people that enjoy ball busting brings up like Godfrey.
Guest:It's like, I feel like you're the kind of person who, you know, like you, you enter into a conversation with Mark where you're like, what's he going to say?
Guest:I want it.
Guest:Like there's like, you have like an impish grin about like, how's he going to roast me?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yes, that's what it is.
Marc:I know Mark from a roasting kind of thing.
Marc:He will just bust my balls and that's totally fine.
Marc:That's okay.
Marc:So I guess if you're not interested in that, although these two people seem to be friends and have been friends for an extremely long time.
Guest:Yeah, but it does seem like there's a respect thing there where it's like the ball busting is putting them on a different level, or at least that's the perception of it.
Guest:And so that breeds resentment, right?
Guest:On both ends, right?
Guest:Like there's this one sense of like, hey, you're busting on me, but you're in a bigger end of this power dynamic.
Guest:And then the other end where it's like, hey, you're busting on me and I find it just totally disrespectful.
Guest:Like you're deliberately trying to cut me down.
Guest:And I, I, it's just keeps, it's like chipping away at a, a giant redwood tree.
Guest:But like, eventually you get to that point where it's just this slender piece of pulp keeping the whole thing up.
Guest:And like, all it takes is one little push to knock this giant tree down.
Guest:And you're like, wow, that whole thing went over.
Guest:And it's like, well, yeah, you cut the base of it a chop at a time.
Guest:It's going to fall over eventually.
Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, I can definitely see that.
Marc:Great, great metaphor.
Marc:But I've seen this type of behavior from people that I used to be friends with.
Marc:You know how these people are.
Marc:They're very cutting with their words.
Marc:And honestly, the power dynamic thing, I get it.
Marc:But I've never seen someone be so...
Marc:just, like, willing or just ready to just punch back as fast as Matt B. Davis does.
Marc:Like, it's a bit jarring, especially because, look, this guy, it seems to be, you know, he did a documentary.
Marc:Mark's kind of doing him a favor.
Marc:But it just seems like he came here with a motive to...
Guest:punch punch mark you know i guess although he says like he came here with the motive to like get on what he considered to be the equivalent of late night television which it's like even weirder that it's like he straight up right at the front was like hey this is good for me for my promotion and then meanwhile like let's start sniping each other both of us like right i mean that's the other thing it's like
Marc:There's just these little paper cut comments that I have seen and heard from former friends and friends and my wife's friends.
Marc:It's just like these little cutting moments like, oh, you're the 28th most popular podcast.
Marc:And just like –
Marc:If you just take those words and be like, okay, that's what I said.
Marc:What?
Marc:There's nothing wrong with it.
Marc:You're right.
Marc:There is nothing wrong with that.
Marc:It just, I can tell because I know you that that was a dig.
Guest:I know the stank that's on the back end of that.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:I got to say, though, you have now like at least twice, maybe more than that, that I've registered mentioned that you've seen this happen or you've experienced this happen from former friends.
Guest:And that was the one thing I came away from this episode with.
Guest:Again, whatever position you want to take on this, if you if you have a position, if you if you took a side while you were listening to it, that's great.
Guest:That's good.
Guest:That's what that means.
Guest:It had the intended consequence.
Guest:whatever your position is like i think it's very hard to come away from this and not think hmm maybe these guys shouldn't be friends maybe they're here's a here's a better one maybe they're not friends right
Guest:this isn't exactly friend talk right now right like this is more like complete enemy this is like the how i would talk to someone i want to destroy yes yes they want like it seems like both people want to destroy the other one more than their friends and want to to hang out like
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:But Matt says, my life looks like something you wanted your life to look like.
Marc:And I honestly think this was probably like the like the sentence that he thought would be a dagger to Mark's heart.
Marc:Right.
Marc:This is probably the thought that that, you know, he thought about the most to make, you know, to make him feel better.
Marc:That Mark doesn't does, you know, may have, quote unquote, relative fame.
Marc:But he doesn't have a wife and three kids.
Marc:And that fucking comment bounces off Mark like a fucking fly running into a bright light, man.
Marc:It doesn't make a fucking dent.
Marc:No.
Marc:And then he fucking goes in for the kill from a different angle.
Marc:And what apparently he's done for a while, judging by this conversation, by criticizing some jokes in his set, he says, oh, your accent to Leslie was hack.
Marc:In a movie, that's released.
Marc:There's nothing to be done about it.
Marc:How exactly is that constructive criticism?
Guest:I just want to ask.
Guest:Well, also, the other point of that is, like you said, it got released.
Guest:It's like the criticism there goes to the directors.
Guest:Like, if you ever wanted to, like, hey, how come you let that guy do that accent?
Guest:It was a bad accent.
Guest:Like, if that's your opinion on it, that it's a bad accent, well, the actor has no say in it.
Guest:They're doing it, but they could either be told not to do it or get fired.
Guest:If it's in the movie, someone made that choice.
Guest:I mean, same with the line from reservation docs.
Guest:Like that has nothing, like, I don't know if you understand, maybe Chris, I don't think you ever, you know, made a movie or anything or a TV show, right?
Guest:You were never in one of those.
Guest:I, I, this might come as a surprise to you, but like if you're, you're being filmed and you say something on film, they have other takes that they can use and use those instead of the thing that you said.
Yeah.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Somebody makes that decision, like not not the person saying them, unless that person saying them is also the writer and director.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:There's editors, directors, producers, like a lot of people go through all this whole apparatus.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So the fact that that he mentions that, oh, his joke in Reservation Dogs was a hack joke.
Marc:And like, again, how is that constructive to anyone?
Marc:Like, and when he learns that it was in the script, he's like, okay, it's fine then.
Marc:It's fine then.
Marc:I honestly think it's at this point that Mark has taken enough shots and he hits him with a truth bomb that is a direct hit into this guy's heart.
Marc:He's...
Marc:He is shocked that someone saw him without his mask on.
Marc:Like, I truly believe that's the sound we're hearing.
Marc:Wait, what?
Marc:You mean the silence?
Marc:Dude, that was deafening.
Marc:I honestly thought, I mean, I lost all oxygen in my car.
Guest:Oh, I'm going to tell you this right now.
Guest:What's that?
Guest:So we've been doing this for 1,500 episodes now.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:There is nothing that makes me more excited than visually seeing a giant stretch of silence on the waveform.
Guest:I get so excited.
Guest:It's like, because I know something's about to happen.
Guest:Like, and then I'm like, cause like, you know, it's like Mark is just mid rant.
Guest:And like, whatever you want to say about what Mark says to Matt, whether again, whether you think Mark was in the right or Mark was in the wrong, I can tell you from working with the guy for 20 years now,
Guest:a thing of beauty is when Mark without hesitation and, uh, uh, foresight just launches off a bunch of words that are in his heart.
Guest:Like it, it, it is one of the things that has always made him a compelling personality to me again, like agree or disagree.
Guest:It's like, if this guy wants to unload from like his guts, uh,
Guest:He will give it to you with two barrels and it will be eloquent and it will be like pointed and insightful.
Guest:And whether you think he's right or wrong, you'll go like, well, damn, he said something.
Guest:He's not sputtering.
Guest:He's not like just impotent rage.
Guest:It's like he's saying the things that will cut.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And so to hear him loading up with all that and looking ahead at my track and seeing that there's like a stretch of like 12 seconds of silence, I was like, whoa.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:And there's not a chance in hell that this guy hasn't been accused of this before.
Marc:And it guts him like a fish.
Guest:Well, I want to clear something up on that because I heard that.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I heard what you just said, because Mark says something to him about like, I know you've done this with other people before.
Guest:And he says, like, name who?
Guest:And Mark's like, you tell me.
Guest:And, you know, we got some emails from people being like,
Guest:That was shitty of you to accuse him of doing it to other people if you couldn't name names.
Guest:And I read it as... He wasn't saying, I have heard from... He's like, I can tell... He's exactly what you just said.
Guest:He was saying, I can tell from your behavior that I can't be alone in this.
Guest:That you must have been doing... You must do this all the time, right?
Guest:It can't just be me.
Guest:I mean, again, I'm interpreting.
Guest:Don't let me exactly put words in somebody's mouth.
Guest:But you saying that...
Guest:was exactly what I had thought when I heard it as well.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, I've seen Mike Tyson knock out guys visually.
Marc:I've never seen someone get clocked in an audio format.
Marc:Like this was sweet chin music, a stone cold stunner and a rock bottom all wrapped in one sentence.
Marc:It was beautiful.
Marc:It's devastating.
Marc:Like Mark is – Mark, by the way, being extremely open in this conversation, talking about what he spoke to his therapist about and how he sees himself, that he's not as big as a comic as he wanted to be.
Marc:That's like brutal, honest shit that is completely different from the guy I used to work with like 20 or so years ago.
Guest:Yeah, that's definitely true.
Guest:You know, he sees himself –
Guest:Yeah, for better or worse.
Guest:He sees the good and the bad at the same time.
Marc:Yeah, and it would be dismissive not to recognize that, that this is a guy who has come such a long way from where he was at the beginning of this podcast.
Guest:Yes, true.
Guest:But also has some of the foundational things still completely intact.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Which is why he blew up, right?
Guest:Like, you know, he says to Matt at one point, you know, they talk about like, you know, money and fame and things like that changing people.
Guest:Not me, dude.
Guest:And it's like, yeah, I can tell.
Guest:I'm listening to you right now.
Guest:I've heard this for 15 years.
Marc:Like, I can tell you haven't changed.
Right.
Marc:And the coda, I mean, first of all, the whole thing, like I was in like bumper to bumper traffic.
Marc:So I had to text you immediately and be like, there's still 30 minutes left after this knockout, this concussed Persian.
Marc:Nuclear bomb from space.
Yeah.
Marc:So the rest is just, I mean, I've seen people be concussed and how they react afterwards.
Marc:This is someone who is just reeling.
Marc:Like a punch drunk situation.
Marc:Yeah, grasping at the ropes, just like trying to...
Guest:hang on to anything to stay upright well in that in that regard to be perfectly honest with you you know mark said to me listen to this and decide whether or not you want to use this coda like i don't know that it i mean i don't know that we did anything new or different in this than we did the day before and i thought exactly what you're talking about right now i thought it afforded matt
Guest:the opportunity to have collected his thoughts and make a rebuttal or, or whether it's not a rebuttal, however you want to frame it, but in a way where he's had time to think about it and we couldn't just write it off as some emotional ambush, right?
Guest:Like whether you want to call that an ambush, what Mark did or not.
Guest:I mean, I think there's definitely a frame of mind where you could say it wasn't, it was just Mark responding to what was being thrown at him.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But I think the the coda was fair to both of them.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It was there was a fairness there that whether or not they got anywhere differently with it, it was something that they could come into knowing full well where the conversation had wound up.
Marc:Yeah, and the color just kind of made me sad.
Marc:Like, it was just sad.
Marc:Like, it's basically two guys who... Like, two big buddies who...
Marc:are just going to go their separate ways.
Marc:At least that's what I would assume.
Marc:And yeah, they're just like, okay, we're good.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I just felt like it was a telling of buddies or friends who used to be in their lives and have something in common and they've lost that connection through the years.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Maybe, although I do think part of it is that they both see too much of the other one in themselves.
Guest:You know, and it's like the things about themselves that they haven't been able to change or they want to change, but like it's reflected back at them by this other person.
Guest:I think they both see that in each other.
Guest:And, you know, that's hard.
Guest:That's like a lot of times when that's happening and then you think back and you, you know, take a 10,000 foot view of the whole situation.
Guest:You're like, oh, I'm yelling at myself here.
Guest:You know, like that's, or that's the one I'm taking shots at.
Guest:Like I'm taking shots at me, but a different version of me.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:And I mean, I mean, there's...
Marc:I mean, I don't know the discourse.
Marc:I'm not on message boards or on Twitter reading stuff.
Marc:But, like, I bet there are people out there who are taking Matt's side and also taking Mark's side.
Marc:And, like, I just hope, you know, these are just people that are just, you know, people that used to be friends.
Marc:Like, they're just working through some stuff.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, I'm totally... We definitely got a lot of feedback into the show.
Guest:And, you know, I usually go mostly from the stuff that comes directly into the show because, you know, there's just so many various places to leave your feedback out on the internet.
Guest:So, you know, when I'm gauging reaction, I'm mostly doing it by people who send stuff into us.
Guest:And yeah, absolutely.
Guest:There were people that were like, you know, that saw Mark's side.
Guest:There are people that saw Matt's side.
Guest:And I think that's totally, you know...
Guest:exactly valid and the whole reason to do something like this.
Guest:I will say, though, that I think, like, you know, okay, so you are saying what your kind of emotional response was to hearing them and, you know, how you felt while listening to this and your conclusions and that.
Guest:And I have an emotional response, but it's not so much about the episode itself.
Guest:Like I said, I kind of want to leave that
Guest:As it is for people like you and people listening to kind of come to their own conclusions.
Guest:But I definitely have an emotional response and want to react to it.
Guest:When I see comments coming into us from people and it's comments like...
Guest:This shouldn't have aired.
Guest:Oh, this was too personal.
Guest:This, this, I mean, I literally, there were, I will never listen to your show again because you did this, right?
Guest:What?
Marc:Are they new?
Guest:This is uncomfortable.
Guest:You know, this is a bad vibe.
Guest:This is not why I come to your show for, I come for entertainment, right?
Guest:Okay, now listen, I understand that people subscribing to this are probably much more well-versed in the history of Mark, the history of the show, but basically anything, all the baggage that comes along with what we've done for 1,500 episodes.
Guest:But just in case, in case that was going through your head and you're listening to this, maybe you're one of the people who sent in that kind of reaction to us.
Guest:I want this to be very clear.
Guest:This is the show.
Guest:This has always been the show.
Guest:Because seriously, Jason Bateman has a very nice show for you.
Guest:Him and his buddies, they hang around, Conan too.
Guest:A lot of people in that studio, they're having fun all the time.
Guest:That's great.
Guest:That is not what we do.
Guest:Do you want to hear what we have done for 15 years?
Guest:It was on this episode and it was on the 1500th episode.
Guest:And those two episodes are what the show is.
Guest:And I couldn't be prouder.
Guest:Listen to me.
Guest:I could not be prouder than having those two episodes back to back.
Guest:That is exactly what I want to be doing with my professional life, is making things like that.
Guest:If that's not for you, I'm sorry.
Guest:This is just not your thing then.
Guest:Maybe you came to the show through Mark's Instagram page and he said such nice things during the pandemic and you like him, he's charming, whatever.
Guest:This is what the podcast is.
Guest:It's not that.
Guest:And if it wasn't a show where we could do this, I wouldn't be doing it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And if you want to know what we do, it is episode 1499 and episode 1500.
Guest:There you go.
Guest:You can go take a listen to both of those back to back and then get back to me if you want.
Marc:Well said.
Marc:Well, well said.
Guest:You know, another thing, that reaction is very old hat for us.
Guest:People reacted the same exact way to the Gallagher episode when we did that.
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Marc:Yeah, you're right.
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Marc:Yeah.
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Guest:Speaking of topics, I got this one that's very appropriate coming off the Matt B. Davis episode.
Guest:It's from Bart Rene in the Netherlands.
Guest:And it says, because you guys are buddies, could you have an episode about buddy comedies?
Guest:And if you do, please don't forget about Midnight Run.
Guest:Well, how could we forget about Midnight Run?
Guest:He might as well say, can you do an episode about buddy comedies and why Midnight Run is the greatest?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like that might as well be what he says there.
Guest:In fact, like I'm so not going to forget about Midnight Run.
Guest:I'm going to like put it to the side.
Guest:Like we shouldn't even talk about other buddy comedies without, you know, like Midnight Run needs its own assessment.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:But like, okay, so Chris, I sent that to you and you were like, oh, baby, like you're speaking my language here.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But I'm interested when I say that to you, buddy comedies.
Guest:How?
Guest:How does it go through your head?
Guest:What do you define that as?
Marc:I think of it as usually odd couples.
Marc:Usually two people stuck with each other.
Guest:Which is funny because that's not buddies.
Marc:No, it's not.
Marc:When you define what a buddy is, they're friends from the start.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right, that's true.
Marc:That's true.
Marc:But over time, they become buddies.
Marc:So it's just, you know, it's a thing that progresses just like in life, just like you're strangers in life and all of a sudden you find your best friend.
Marc:So yeah, so that's where it is.
Marc:It's two people or sometimes more than two people, but they're stuck with each other.
Marc:They come together to form some sort of bond.
Marc:And it all hinges for me on on-screen chemistry for me.
Marc:Sure.
Guest:Sure, sure.
Guest:But I'm going to take issue with two things you said.
Guest:What's that?
Guest:So the one thing is that I don't think it's technically still a buddy comedy if it's more than two buddies.
Guest:I think once you're into multiples, that's a different genre.
Guest:That's like a crew or a pack, like how they had the rat pack and the brat pack and the frat pack, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And the hangover and bridesmaids, like those aren't buddies.
Guest:Those are, I mean, they're buddies in the context of the thing, but as a, they're a group, they're a crew and you're getting, it's a crew dynamic, right?
Guest:Just like in a military movie, right?
Guest:Where you got like the medic and the religious guy and like the-
Guest:the the fighter same thing happens this is like oceans 11 but for comedy so so a buddy thing i do think my criteria i'm gonna be pretty strict about this we got to talk about things with two buddies okay all right the other thing is now this is less strict i'm i'd like to broaden this out because i do agree with you about the idea of like you know odd couples but i think that like you got to draw a direct line down the middle of buddy comedy and say okay you have your mismatched buddies and
Guest:And then your actual buddies.
Guest:I see.
Guest:Because there are buddy comedies that follow the format you're talking about, right?
Guest:Where they have to like grow together and like come to see the other one's side or they put their heads together to make a unit.
Guest:and defeat whatever conflict is in their way, but they could start the movie as friends.
Guest:That's just different than the mismatched buddies, but they get to the same place.
Guest:And so I made a list for myself of the two types of buddy comedies, the mismatched buddies and the actual buddies.
Guest:But we can talk about them in general and see where they fall in under those categories.
Guest:Love it.
Guest:There are some buddy comedies we've already talked about at length that I think we can leave off the list, but that's not to say they don't rank very highly for us.
Guest:Planes, trains, and automobiles.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:That's almost a quintessential buddy comedy.
Guest:So is The Last Boy Scout, which we've talked about a lot.
Guest:So with those aside, and as we stipulated, we'll get back to Midnight Run.
Marc:uh what are some of yours that you have uh come up with for buddy comedies okay so i'm i i didn't fall them into categories of like their best friends and then they're just two odd couples or an odd couple so uh so yeah so bear with me with that no we can arrange as we go
Marc:One of my favorite buddy comedies is Ghost World.
Guest:Have you ever seen Ghost World?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:I have that as a supplement to another one that I want to talk about Ghost World and I'll tell you what I think is the corresponding buddy comedy to that.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:This movie is a sweet and interesting movie.
Marc:It's a story of two teenagers.
Marc:Thor Birch and Scarlett Johansson are the leads, which, by the way, they're fantastic as friends here.
Marc:They have great chemistry.
Marc:And there's a rift in their friendship where one takes an interest in an older man, Steve Buscemi, and she's determined to help him his romantic life.
Marc:And it's just a delightful movie.
Marc:Roger Ebert, which, you know, with all these movies, I kind of like go back to what Roger Ebert said.
Marc:And his take is just so great.
Marc:He says, I wanted to hug this movie.
Marc:It takes such a risky journey and never steps wrong.
Marc:It creates specific, original, believable, lovable characters and meanders with them through their inconsolable days, never losing its sense of humor.
Marc:It is fantastic.
Guest:Yeah, and a lot of that is attributable to the source material, which is a comic written by Daniel Klaus, who you can go listen to on episode 714 of WTF, where they talk a lot about Ghost World.
Guest:So, yeah, I hear what you're saying, and I rank Ghost World up there right in line with what I think is its kind of mirror buddy comedy, Superbad.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Well, it's funny.
Marc:It's funny you say that.
Marc:I feel like there's another mirror for Superbad, but please talk about Superbad.
Guest:Well, well, I, you know, the thing that you're reading there from Roger Ebert is what I think is always missed about Superbad, right?
Guest:Like, if you were to just ask a random person off the street, like, hey, what do you think about Superbad?
Guest:What do you remember that?
Guest:They'd probably tell you it's like, oh, it's like a gross out comedy, right?
Guest:Like, I think people have it in their mind like porkies, right?
Guest:Like,
Guest:right era of or or american pie right and i think the thing with super bad that makes it transcend is that these are very kind of fragile vulnerable not yet adults right these are these are very very shaky adolescents on the cusp and
Guest:And they are terrified of what's coming next.
Guest:And the movie is very gentle about that.
Guest:The movie takes all the hallmarks of the, you know, Apatow production and the Seth Rogen, Evan Goldberg script.
Guest:It's vulgar, but it's funny.
Guest:It's clever, but it's lived in.
Guest:It has all of those things.
Guest:But the direction by Greg Mottola is very clear at all times to make sure that
Guest:None of these people cross a line to being odious.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Even in their mistakes, you can see them making those mistakes because they're kids.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And that these are kids who have not tipped over the edge into an area where you're like, well, they're going to have a hard time in life.
Guest:Like, in fact, you think, hey, they have their whole lives ahead of them.
Guest:This could be good for them.
Guest:They just got to figure some things out.
Guest:And your hope is by the end of that movie, they have figured it out.
Guest:They have figured out like what it means to be an individual and to feel actual loss and to feel a deep friendship that you are going to have to lose at some point and know what that's like to have that in your past and have a different life ahead of you.
Guest:And all of that happens amidst a very funny movie, which is the same as Ghost World.
Guest:And I think I know what thing you're lining up next to that
Guest:Why don't you tell me what your other, you know, super bad corollary is?
Marc:Is Booksmart, Olivia Wilde's directorial debut.
Marc:Is that what you were thinking I was going to say?
Guest:I was figuring it was going to be that.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It is charming.
Marc:It's actually with Jonah Hill's sister is one of the leads in it.
Guest:Yeah, Beanie Feldstein.
Marc:Beanie Feldstein.
Marc:And it is basically the same plot of Superbad.
Marc:It's the end of the school year, and these kids want to have fun for the first time.
Marc:And, you know, like Superbad, they want to get laid in Booksmart.
Marc:They just want to go to an awesome party.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's they're basically two sides of the same corn.
Marc:You know, they're there.
Marc:It's fun.
Marc:It's there's also an emotional heart to it that is beating and you can feel it throughout the entire thing.
Marc:I really love book smart as a buddy comedy.
Marc:Now, what about cops?
Marc:Do you have any cops on your list?
Marc:I mean, again, we're going to put Midnight Run aside.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Which is not cops, by the way.
Guest:That's a bounty hunter.
Marc:Yeah, that's true.
Marc:Bounty hunter.
Marc:Former cop.
Marc:You're right.
Guest:You're right.
Marc:Okay, yes.
Guest:We'll get back to Midnight Run.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:So, Die Hard with a Vengeance.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:There you go.
Guest:That is a buddy cop movie.
Guest:It is.
Marc:It's Die Hard with a buddy.
Marc:This movie goes so fucking hard, dude.
Marc:From the song at the beginning to Bruce Willis wearing an absolutely insane sandwich board to Samuel L. Jackson coming off of Pulp Fiction and hitting all the right notes in this movie.
Marc:I love this buddy comedy.
Marc:And it is a comedy.
Marc:And not just because it's Die Hard in New York with a buddy, but it's because it's a fun time.
Marc:You can watch this and be like, this is great.
Marc:This is up there with the original Die Hard.
Guest:Yeah, well, I think it's funny that we did the episode a couple weeks ago about the Die Hard Anna.
Guest:And this movie, now that I'm thinking about it, it's several of those in one.
Guest:It's Die Hard in a City.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like that's basically the whole city is is under siege of these terrorists.
Guest:And it's die hard in a in a bank.
Guest:Right.
Guest:In a vault.
Guest:Right.
Guest:There's like a gold vault.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And then die hard with a buddy.
Guest:I hadn't thought about that, but that's exactly right.
Guest:This is this is the die hard buddy film.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:uh another one with a cop turner and hooch oh sure turner and hooch tom tom hanks uh set up with a dog and it is fantastic i think that's a great buddy comedy it is i cannot get i cannot uh confirm nor deny because i guarantee i have not watched one minute of turner and hooch since it came out when i was what i don't know nine ten oh wow i don't remember it at
Guest:I remember the dog.
Guest:I remember he's very drooly.
Guest:And I remember Tom Hanks was like type A. That was the twist there.
Guest:It was a real odd couple thing.
Guest:But instead of Felix Unger and Oscar, it was Tom Hanks and a dog.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And it's delightful.
Marc:It's a fun movie you can watch with kids.
Marc:And by the way, I hope you can find it somewhere.
Marc:I don't know where.
Guest:No, I think it's on Disney.
Guest:Disney Plus.
Guest:Because they're making a series of it.
Marc:Oh, are they?
Guest:I believe so.
Guest:Whether that's still in the works, who knows, because they change things all the time.
Guest:But I remember when that got announced.
Marc:Perfect.
Marc:Because the movie's charming, and I highly recommend people seek it out, especially if they have kids.
Marc:They will not be disappointed with Turner and Hooch.
Guest:Wait, hang on.
Guest:You really should think about that.
Guest:Because I, like I said, I can't vouch for this, totally.
Guest:But I have a distinct memory that that movie turns a little grisly.
Guest:Like, as a nine-year-old, I remember being like, oh, this got unfun very fast.
Guest:And, you know, spoiler alert, the dog gets killed.
Guest:I mean, yeah, but yeah, I guess you're right.
Guest:Look, I have no qualms with you saying go watch this movie, but you're just willy-nilly like, oh, your kids are going to love it.
Guest:They're like, Daddy, why'd you make us watch the movie where the dog died?
Guest:What, do you guys know how to find that funny?
Guest:He's such a good little actor.
Guest:Ha!
Guest:They didn't kill the real dog.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, I will give some recommendations for actual family films that I think are buddy films.
Guest:And these are two.
Guest:One is actual buddies and one is mismatched buddies.
Guest:And they both come from Pixar.
Yeah.
Guest:Now, Grant, obviously, you could put Toy Story in here.
Guest:No problem.
Guest:I did not.
Guest:Oh, right.
Guest:The Sheriff.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:But my actual buddy one, which is a great buddy movie, it's like a really great movie about friends, is Monsters Incorporated.
Marc:Oh, I didn't even think of that.
Guest:Not just, it's great, like, the two versions of, like, you know, dudes.
Guest:Like, you know, the jockey type dude and the nerdy type dude.
Guest:That's all great in that.
Guest:But you couldn't get two better actors who you actually want to be friends with.
Guest:John Goodman and Billy Crystal.
Guest:So great.
Guest:yeah yeah i i haven't seen that movie since it came out uh but i'm sure you've probably it's in heavy rotation heavy all all the disney pixar things are in heavy rotation when when you got a kid and we were very lucky i i thank my stars every day that uh you know when he was of age with you know if you have kids who who watch things on repeat you know when they're like four five six they just put a movie in they'll watch it 20 times they don't care and thank god it was like
Guest:Pixar movies, Miyazaki movies, like I was in heaven.
Guest:The Art of Man, you know, Wallace and Gromit and Sean, like all that stuff.
Guest:So much better than what I had as a kid.
Guest:So yeah, that was, that was very fortunate that we had those, which allowed me to see many, many times this other movie, which is a Pixar movie, but I would say mismatched buddies and very, very good is up.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Yeah, that works.
Guest:That's a great mismatch, too, because you've got the age mismatch.
Guest:Of course.
Guest:And they're both lovable.
Guest:You've got the old man, Ed Asner, very lovable.
Guest:This little kid who's very cute and precocious, but also...
Guest:Not in a way you don't recognize.
Guest:It's not like one of those saccharine sweet kids.
Guest:He's like, you kind of understand why the old man finds him annoying.
Guest:And it's super touching that they're total friends at the end of the movie.
Guest:You love it.
Guest:It's so great.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:You know, I have a movie that is very similar to Up.
Marc:And if for me, it's a, I would say it's a, I mean, look, better is a subjective thing, but it's Rushmore.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Jason Schwartzman, Max Fisher, and Bill Murray.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And it's a buddy comedy.
Marc:Sure.
Guest:They become not buddies, but then they have to be buddies again.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, it's great.
Marc:They come into each other's lives.
Marc:They see each other in each other and they become buds.
Marc:Then a girl breaks, you know, like comes between them and then they become enemies, mortal enemies, and then they become friends again.
Marc:It's great.
Guest:I love the idea that Up is the, you know, cartoon equivalent of Rushmore.
Guest:I think that's probably more accurate than you planned on it being.
Marc:Yes, it really is, right?
Yeah.
Guest:oh man brushmore it's weird great soundtrack looks great so good hilarious charming it still plays too it wasn't that long ago that we saw it in the theater again you remember that and it was it played great
Marc:Yeah, it really does.
Marc:So yeah, Rushmore and Up.
Marc:That would be a great double feature.
Marc:Totally.
Guest:Hey, movie programmers, get on that.
Guest:You got to do that.
Guest:In fact, all of these movies.
Guest:Do a buddy month at your local theater and put some of these out there.
Guest:You hear me there, Nighthawk?
Guest:All right.
Guest:How many more do you got on your list?
Marc:Dude, I mean, I could go on forever, honestly.
Marc:I mean, we're talking about cops.
Marc:How about The Heat with uptight FBI agent Sandra Bullock, teamed with a slob cop in Melissa McCarthy?
Guest:Yeah, I've never seen that.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:I should watch that.
Guest:Yeah, that kind of falls into my dead zone of too busy as a parent movies.
Guest:Oh, gotcha.
Marc:Yeah, Sandra Bullock, always great.
Marc:Melissa McCarthy, just killing it.
Marc:This one, it works really well.
Marc:So yeah, highly, highly recommend that.
Guest:You know what I like as a cop movie with buddies, actual buddies too, not mismatched buddies?
Guest:What do you got?
Guest:Running Scared with Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:That, that is, that is like the, the cop part of it is, you know, it's every other cop drug movie I've ever seen.
Guest:And they were clearly just riffing on, on 48 hours, but like, you know, 48 hours is the classic mismatched buddies.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:This was like guys who actually enjoyed hanging out together.
Guest:And because they're like two fun guys, they're having fun the whole time.
Guest:I remember watching this like off TV as a kid being like, man, I know these guys are getting shot at.
Guest:And this is like, they're in like the scummy underbelly of Chicago.
Guest:But like, this looks fun.
Guest:Yes.
Yeah.
Marc:Another comp buddy movie.
Marc:And for me, this is as close to Midnight Run as we're going to get, which is saying a lot.
Marc:And it's 21 Jump Street.
Marc:Ah, yeah.
Marc:Well, they're both very good, too.
Marc:I mean, yeah.
Marc:I mean, 22 Jump Street, just as good, if not better.
Marc:This is, I mean, at the time, I didn't know Channing Tatum could do comedy.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:This guy's laugh out loud hilarious.
Guest:In fact, this goes into another category that I talked about with a friend of mine of like, are there sequels that are actually as funny or funnier than the original comedy?
Guest:It's very hard to make a comedy sequel that's as good as the original.
Guest:I don't know that you can come up with any others.
Guest:We were talking about maybe the Naked Gun ones because they're all just so similar.
Guest:It's just throw a bunch of jokes against the wall.
Guest:But those two, 21 and 22 Jump Street, are as good as it gets in terms of having the consistency from one movie to the next in comedy.
Marc:yeah yeah for sure uh one one that does not live up to that with that has a sequel but the first one is far superior and that is bad boys uh which yes bad boys 2 is is so hateful
Marc:We have a friend who just loves this movie to no end.
Marc:Bad Boys 2.
Marc:It's terrifying that he does.
Marc:I cannot enjoy it at all.
Marc:But Bad Boys, dude, Will Smith, Martin Lawrence.
Marc:Oh, boy.
Marc:They have chemistry like, I don't know, Donald Reed and Jimmy Stewart in It's a Wonderful Life.
Guest:I think they almost kissed at a telephone, too.
Guest:uh i have another will smith buddy movie that i want to throw out there and this is this is mismatched but uh it's great this is a it's totally fits in everything we're talking about just happens to have a ton of special effects around it and it's you know big blockbuster but men in black absolutely
Guest:If you're looking for the archetypal straight man for a buddy cop duo, you can't get better than Tommy Lee Jones.
Guest:And then if you're looking for the absolute best wisecracking sidekick, like Will Smith at the height of his charm, like peak powers Will Smith.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:you couldn't have matched two guys up better.
Guest:Plus it's a fun movie.
Guest:It's jaunty.
Guest:It's like 80 minutes long.
Guest:It's perfect.
Guest:You can put that on at any time.
Guest:Uh, the sequels are not good, but men in black is, is still fun.
Guest:And, uh, and, and it shows because kids still like it.
Guest:It plays all the time and there's amusement park rides about it.
Guest:And that's because it's good.
Marc:Right.
Marc:My next couple of movies, they're all going to be bunched together because it's basically Saturday Night Live developed a formula for buddy comedies.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:And they just perfected it with, and I know they had nothing to do with the movie, but Planes, Trains, and Automobiles is basically the blueprint, and they just copy and pasted to various degrees of success.
Guest:The kind of the road trip movie.
Guest:Yes, exactly.
Marc:And there's Wayne's World.
Guest:Which is a genre in and of itself, but you can graft buddy movies onto it.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:So you got Wayne's World, which is like, of course, it's a buddy movie.
Marc:The Blues Brothers, another great one.
Marc:Baby Mama, which great one with Tina Fey and Amy Poehler.
Marc:And for me, the best of them is Tommy Boy.
Guest:Well, sure.
Guest:And Tommy Boy has like a crossover, right?
Guest:Because that's also at the time where idiot comedy was very popular.
Guest:So it's the buddy comedy of the idiot and the, you know, the straight man, the David Spade character, right?
Guest:And then Farley is the big idiot.
Guest:But this was at a time where there were lots of idiots, right?
Guest:You had Dumb and Dumber.
Guest:You had Romy and Michelle.
Guest:You had Beavis and Butthead get their movie, right?
Guest:around this same time i think the same year as tommy boy so yeah you had idiot buddy comedy probably bill and ted being the first one right yeah yeah and uh and i think you're right i think tommy boy to me is the one that that stands the test of time the strongest it's at least the one with the most heart
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:Uh, but there is one other one that has an SNL alum that is for me, like in the hall of fame and that is stepbrothers.
Guest:Oh, sure.
Guest:Well, gosh, you just, you mentioning just one movie of, of that guy, Will Ferrell, and they're all buddy comedies when you think about it between Tal Dagon nights and the other guys.
Guest:But yeah, stepbrothers is, uh, that's, that's as, that's as buddy as you get.
Yeah.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I mean, and, and talk about, you know, like these are, these are odd.
Marc:This is like people at odds with each other, but they're actually the same exact person.
Marc:So it's, it's such a, they're like the same side of the same coin.
Marc:But yeah, the movie is hilarious.
Marc:I watch it anytime I can, I can do it.
Guest:It's so funny because when I saw it, when it came out, I thought, like, this is good, but I don't like it as much as, like, Anchorman.
Guest:And, you know, it had a lot of, like, raunchy R-rated comedy.
Guest:And I, you know, kind of thought, oh, this is for, like, the DVD, right?
Guest:So they can have the unrated version and the R version and all these.
Guest:Like, you know, it was that era of movies.
Guest:So there was just something about it at the time that I didn't bite on it as hard.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But, oh man, the rewatchability of Step Brothers is high, high up there.
Guest:And I think it has only grown for me in my estimation of it over time.
Guest:A couple others, though, that you're forgetting that go back further that I'm surprised we haven't brought up.
Guest:But, you know, we did a list of a certain person's movies and...
Guest:And we could not fit this one on the list.
Guest:And it absolutely goes on the list for buddies, and it's twins.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:With Arnold and Danny DeVito.
Marc:Yeah, that's a movie I've seen a whole lot in my life.
Guest:And that's a super-duper mismatched buddies movie.
Guest:But I also want to point out Danny DeVito has another one of my favorite mismatched buddy movies, Throw Mama from the Train.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And here we go.
Guest:Billy Crystal has now shown up three times, once in animated form, once as a cop, and now as the hapless friend of Danny DeVito.
Guest:And so I don't think you can discount the fact that Billy Crystal has some serious buddy movie juice.
Guest:Would you consider City Slickers a buddy comedy?
Guest:Nope.
Guest:You're in a group.
Guest:Now you're dealing with a crew.
Guest:But you know what I would consider?
Guest:What?
Marc:Analyze this.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Definitely a buddy movie.
Marc:Definitely.
Marc:Oh, man, he's got some good movies.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And sometimes it's not successful, right?
Guest:Like they paired him up with Robin Williams in that one and it's bad.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Father's Day.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And to be honest, I mean, it doesn't fall within the category, but When Harry Met Sally is basically a buddy comedy.
Marc:No way, no way.
Guest:It's a romantic comedy.
Guest:That's like the quintessential romantic comedy.
Guest:Yeah, you're right.
Guest:It's like you're at ground zero right there.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Marc:Another movie, a buddy comedy, someone who's just been on the show, Sideways.
Marc:Oh, yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, Bachelor Party, Napa Valley, two guys who, by the way, two guys who have a friendship that they're drifting apart.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Ring any bells for anyone?
Marc:A whole lot of them.
Guest:Oh, you mean the movie Mark said he watches twice a year?
Guest:I wonder why.
Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, so before we get to Midnight Run, I want to point out that something I said about Midnight Run is that we were both very quick to call that a cop movie.
Guest:And yet the two main characters are not cops.
Guest:You get De Niro, who is a former cop, now turned bounty hunter, and Charles Grodin, who's an accountant.
Guest:And that's a great dynamic.
Guest:And it is mirrored in something else we have not talked about.
Guest:But I think one of the great buddy comedies of my lifetime, something of total formative buddy comedy.
Guest:And it's a detective and his hapless buddy that he's mismatched with named Roger Rabbit.
Marc:Oh, that's a great one.
Guest:Yeah, of course.
Guest:You know, like, again, the thing that you always have to come back to here is like, do they actually wind up liking each other?
Guest:And they do.
Guest:Like, are they friends at the end of this?
Guest:They sure are.
Guest:That's a good buddy comedy then.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:That's a great one.
Guest:So I'll say this about Midnight Run.
Guest:It is, for some reason, still underseen.
Guest:Do you find that?
Guest:I come across people all the time who have not seen Midnight Run.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:100%.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:My wife has never seen it.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We did the same thing.
Guest:I did the like, I think during like the pandemic, I was like, what?
Guest:No Midnight Run.
Guest:And like we made us watch it, you know, like.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But it is, I don't understand why.
Guest:Like, I feel like it comes up a lot in conversation, but you just don't have a lot of people that have actually seen it.
Guest:And I think that what it might be is that people have a misapprehension of what it is.
Guest:They might think that it's some like gritty 80s cop movie, right?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:because De Niro yeah right exactly and it's like no this is Bobby De Niro as a clown like he is the he is the comedy in the movie like Grodin is the straight man you know I mean he's funny because he does all of his exasperation and everything these things go down these things go down like great hilarious but like De Niro is the one doing the heavy comedy lifting in this thing yeah
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I got two words for you.
Guest:Shut the fuck up.
Marc:I don't know how they cast De Niro and Grodin together, but it is just the sweetest sensation.
Marc:Like, wow.
Marc:Have they never done another movie together?
Marc:No.
Marc:No.
Guest:amazing because they are fantastic the movie is fantastic and like if you look buddy comedy up in a dictionary it has a picture of midnight run that's right that sort of thing i think so i think that's absolutely right however i'm going to say that it is topped in my personal view i have one movie that i think is a better buddy comedy
Guest:And that is because, I mean, I guess the basic reason is because I think this is one of the great movies ever.
Guest:And one of my favorite movies of all time.
Guest:And it hits all the highs.
Guest:But also, on top of that, it rides both lines.
Guest:you can very easily argue that these are mismatched buddies.
Guest:They should not be buddies at all.
Guest:And there's plenty indication throughout the movie that they don't like each other.
Guest:And yet at the same time, they are actual buddies.
Guest:They clearly love each other.
Guest:From start to finish, it's very clear that these two cannot be separated.
Guest:They're buddies for life.
Guest:And that is The Big Lebowski.
Guest:Oh, well, but that's three, no?
Guest:No, no.
Guest:Donnie factors totally into the fact that there's only two because Donnie is not allowed to say a word.
Guest:And to the point that when he's turned into Ash...
Guest:Walter literally says, this is in accordance with what your dying wishes may well have been.
Guest:He has totally no idea what Donnie wanted.
Guest:So yes, this is a movie about two buddies, and there is a third who keeps getting told to shut the fuck up, and you never hear from him, even once he's dead.
Guest:His opinion counts for nothing.
Guest:So...
Guest:Yes, I am steadfastly staying with The Big Lebowski being about two friends.
Guest:In fact, if you see the original poster of that movie, it was just John Goodman and Jeff Bridges standing there on the bowling alley.
Guest:They're the buddies.
Guest:And that moment when they spread Donnie's ashes and it blows back all over everybody.
Guest:And...
Guest:It's the first time in the movie where the dude, I mean, he's been losing his shit at Walter the whole time, but it's usually just exasperation.
Guest:And this is the first time where he's finally just screaming at him.
Guest:What the fuck does any of this have to do with Vietnam?
Guest:What the fuck?
Guest:Everything's a fucking travesty with you.
Guest:What?
Guest:And all Walter can do is say, I'm sorry, dude.
Guest:I'm sorry, dude.
Guest:I'm sorry.
Guest:And then what does the dude do?
Guest:He just hugs him.
Guest:He can't do anything else.
Guest:He's like, he knows this is what I'm stuck with.
Guest:It's very planes, trains and automobiles, right?
Guest:You just have to relent to the fact that this is your friend.
Guest:You take them with the good and the bad.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:I wish I could go back to a time where I see The Big Lebowski for the first time.
Marc:Because that was eye-opening to me.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:I loved that.
Marc:I haven't seen that movie in a while.
Marc:I'm going to actually put that disc in and watch it.
Guest:I don't think there's...
Guest:ever been a point in my life since it came out where i could say i haven't seen that movie in a while i think every every every day of my life it is very hard to point to a time where it's been maybe more than several months since i've seen the big lebowski this aggression will not stand man ah just everything like from the i i used to drink fucking um white russians yeah i used to drink white russians because you and me both yeah yeah
Marc:Lactose intolerance, unfortunately, has put an end to that.
Marc:I'm surprised neither of us brought up 48 Hours.
Guest:Yeah, no, I've never, like, it's never been one of my go-tos, and I was a huge Eddie Murphy fan, but I would count other Eddie Murphy movies as better buddy comedies than 48 Hours, Trading Places for one.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:For sure.
Marc:48 Hours, I put it on recently.
Marc:It's a little too grisly.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And again, that's what I'm thinking.
Guest:People think Midnight Run.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It definitely gets tied to that movie.
Marc:And Midnight Run is a different animal.
Marc:Oh, entirely.
Marc:Yeah, entirely.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Also, Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead.
Marc:People are partial to those.
Marc:They're fine.
Guest:Yes, exactly.
Guest:I have a kind of fleeting appreciation of those.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And actually, wait, one last one we didn't mention.
Marc:Stir Crazy.
Marc:This is a movie my dad used to watch a whole bunch.
Guest:I remember it in the same way.
Guest:I remember it being on because someone else was watching it, and I would catch bits and pieces of it.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And I recently went and watched some clips of it, and it's pretty funny.
Marc:They're just great.
Marc:You better get bad, Jack, or you're fucked.
Marc:Oh, yeah, we bad.
Yeah.
Marc:like really really fun time and i meant it makes me realize i should go back and listen to uh some richard pryor comedy because oh go go watch the two movies go watch richard pryor uh live in concert which is the from 79 are those in on max
Guest:They might be.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And the other one is Richard Pryor live on the sunset strip.
Guest:And, and the first one is before he set himself on fire.
Guest:And the second one is after.
Guest:So you get a really good, just watch those two movies.
Guest:You get a kind of great picture of like how he evolved at the,
Guest:At a point where both times he was extraordinarily popular.
Guest:It's not like you're watching him build his set.
Guest:It's not like back when he was doing, you know, the comedy store and clubs.
Guest:This is, you know, Richard in theaters as a movie star.
Guest:And one is when, you know, right before his life just goes totally off the rails.
Guest:And one is after that.
Guest:And so, yeah, those are definitely worth watching.
Guest:They're both...
Guest:They're both hilariously funny and give you a great idea of who Richard Pryor was.
Guest:You know, his idea of doing like characters while he was in the middle of his act and, you know, some things that are not comedy bits, but more just like dramatic character pieces.
Guest:Yeah, great stuff.
Guest:Can't recommend those more strongly.
Guest:Well, there's probably dozens that we're leaving out.
Guest:So feel free to send those to us.
Guest:You can just scroll to the episode description and click on the link.
Guest:We're always happy to read your ideas and your topics.
Guest:If you want to be like Bart Rene and give us something to talk about for a whole episode, obviously we have no shortage of buddy comedies to come up with here.
Guest:And we can do that for you on the Friday show.
Guest:But right now I want to talk to you, Chris, and then I want to talk to somebody else.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:I'm hoping you can make this happen.
Guest:yeah because well so this past well i what last five days right uh has been very uh uh intense for you in that you had two situations where you took a family member to a wrestling event and it was their first time both times right yes uh why don't you walk us through that what what was uh what was the situation last saturday
Marc:So last Saturday, I took my wonderful nephew, Liam, to World's End, AEW's World End.
Marc:Age of Liam.
Marc:10 years old.
Guest:10 years old.
Guest:Okay, that's totally in the fine zone for your first wrestling event.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So I take him there and I'm unsure of when to take him there because I know he's going to have a limited power supply, right?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And so I'm like, you know what?
Marc:I'm going to do it early because you'll probably maybe like be cranky later on.
Marc:So I have him be there for the pre-show, which is the 20-man battle royale that happens and a bunch of other matches.
Marc:And by the end of that,
Marc:he wants to get food or so i i then park him in the seat uh very very you know safe seat and i go get food and it's at that point that i lost him like he's on his phone and it's just like yeah he wants his food and got him cotton candy which which i didn't i didn't pull out until much later but uh but yeah he lost interest basically by the time i got back
Guest:Now, what was his interest level going to it?
Guest:Was he like excited about it or was he kind of like unsure about it?
Guest:I think he was excited about it.
Marc:He was like when I when I talked to him about it on Christmas Day, he was like this.
Marc:That's great.
Marc:That's even better than a surprise because he wanted to be surprised.
Marc:And he's like, that's great.
Marc:I can't wait.
Marc:And.
Marc:By the showtime, like, he was just like, okay, like, there's a big line, a lot of people.
Marc:He's not really a kid who likes lots of, you know, crowds.
Guest:Yeah, I can't bring my kid to those things for that very reason.
Marc:Yeah, so, like, he apparently was telling me about being at Cirque du Soleil, and he just wanted to leave because he doesn't like being in a seat.
Marc:And I'm like, okay.
Yeah.
Marc:Kind of a requirement of this one, pal.
Marc:So I'm trying to talk him through everything that's going on.
Marc:And we get to this match where it's Swerve Strickland and it's Dustin Rhodes.
Guest:Now, Swerve is a heel, but the crowd is very much enjoying this guy.
Guest:So he's getting cheered, even though he is a despicable heel.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Marc:And Liam's like, well, I don't get it.
Marc:Why is the crowd cheering for this guy when he's actively injuring this other guy?
Marc:And I had to be like, well, you see...
Guest:In wrestling, sometimes the heel is also the good guy.
Guest:Oh, you blew it, dude.
Guest:This was your chance to be like, kid, guess what?
Guest:This is the greatest lesson in life.
Guest:It's not fair.
Guest:Bad guys win.
Guest:Sorry.
Guest:Hate to burst your bubble at 10, but like, yeah, bad guys get cheered all the time.
Guest:You ever hear a guy named Donald Trump?
Guest:People love that guy.
Guest:Oh, you're right.
Guest:You're right.
Guest:I should have been like that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I was a deer in the headlights, though.
Marc:I was like...
Marc:I don't know what to tell him.
Marc:Because I originally I was like, all right, you know, there's not going to be any heels that are being, you know, being, you know, like cheered for.
Marc:So I'm kind of in the clear.
Marc:But I should have thought about it more.
Marc:And yeah, yeah, you're right.
Marc:I should have thought about that.
Marc:But I did it.
Marc:And he was after that match, he was like kind of just done.
Marc:But we watched Adam Copeland versus Christian Cage.
Marc:And that was great.
Marc:And honestly, the best thing I've watched all week.
Marc:And he was so nonplussed about it.
Marc:And they were like fighting up near you.
Marc:They were right there.
Marc:And I took a screen grab of it because I bought the pay-per-view.
Marc:And he's like, I'm lifting him up.
Marc:And I'm like, look.
Marc:And he's like, uh-huh.
Marc:Great.
Marc:Look at that guy.
Marc:And I'm just like, OK, we're done.
Marc:We're done here.
Marc:So I wrapped it up after.
Guest:Now, did he say anything to you after the fact?
Guest:Did you get any response?
Guest:Or did he say anything to his parents?
Marc:Yeah, he said it was cool.
Marc:He said to his parents it was awesome.
Marc:Although, I don't know.
Guest:Maybe he just felt, you know, adult.
Guest:He felt like he was there with older people and it made him feel like independent.
Marc:Maybe.
Marc:Maybe.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I also don't have kids, so I don't know.
Marc:I just felt like he was just over it from the second the show started.
Guest:That might be true in terms of the content, but I bet you he probably liked his Uncle Chris bringing him to a thing and you guys just got to hang out and eat cotton candy and shit.
Guest:I think that was probably pretty cool.
Marc:It was so stressful.
Marc:It is so stressful to bring someone to their first wrestling event and...
Marc:Just try to navigate that whole thing.
Marc:It is a very stressful situation.
Guest:Well, you didn't just have to do it once.
Guest:You had to do it twice.
Marc:That's right.
Guest:Because I was supposed to go with you on Wednesday to AEW Dynamite at Newark.
Guest:And I'm sick.
Guest:I couldn't do it.
Guest:And so I said, you know, I could sell these tickets or whatever.
Guest:And you eventually said, you know, I'll take the tickets.
Guest:And who did you bring?
Marc:I brought my wife.
Marc:Bingo.
Marc:My wonderful wife to her first wrestling show.
Guest:Well, I mean, also you're saying first wrestling show like she would ever go to any wrestling show.
Guest:She would not.
Guest:Right.
Guest:This is like, yeah.
Marc:Well, I mean, when, when you told me that you weren't going to go, I was just like, yeah, just sell those.
Marc:Cause I can't imagine another person I would ever want to bring to this thing.
Marc:Uh, that would be as much fun.
Marc:Like, like to the point where we were like, well, what about, I don't know, maybe Matt Singer who we interviewed, maybe he would want to go.
Guest:He was hosting the New York film critics awards the same night.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But, uh, so I, it's at that point I was like, wait a second.
Guest:what about my like erin my wife so i asked her and she was like kind of caught off guard she was like oh um sure like why not it didn't surprise me that much though you guys go to live theater all the time you're always taking in different shows like you'll do the lotteries and you won't even know what the show is and go like yeah well let's go let's see what this one's like so this was just a night of theater for her
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:That's what I was prepping her for.
Marc:I was like, listen, this is like a traveling circus.
Marc:It's like a Broadway show that shows up and they're going to do all kinds of fun stuff.
Marc:And there's going to be a wide variety of stuff that you're going to be seeing tonight.
Marc:So that's how I set it up for her.
Guest:All right.
Guest:You're at your home right now.
Guest:Aaron is there?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Put Aaron on.
Guest:If she's available, I would like to talk to her about this.
Guest:Hey, Ben.
Guest:Hey, Brendan.
Guest:Oh, hey.
Guest:How's it going?
Guest:Good.
Guest:How are you?
Guest:I'm very good.
Guest:I saw you on television.
Guest:Uh, so listen, I wanted to get your overall impressions.
Guest:So this was not only the first time you'd ever been to wrestling, was this the first time you ever saw wrestling or do you just kind of see it out of the corner of your eye when Chris has it on?
Guest:Um, yeah, I just kind of see it out of the corner of my eye when he, when he has it on TV.
Guest:So, so this was your first time with, uh, you know, an actual wrestling show.
Guest:All right.
Guest:What were your overall impressions?
Guest:Just basic impressions going to it.
Guest:It was actually pretty entertaining.
Guest:I had a good time.
Guest:It's very theatrical.
Guest:Yeah, there was a few wrestlers that I liked, you know, more than others.
Guest:Yeah, that was what I was going to ask you.
Guest:Was there anyone you came away with that you were like, well, that person impressed me?
Guest:Yeah, I really liked Swerve.
Guest:Swerve.
Guest:We were just talking about him.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They were really fun.
Guest:And I actually really liked the female wrestlers, too.
Guest:I was surprised by that.
Guest:And they did a good match.
Guest:That was really, like, they were very athletic and...
Guest:You were surprised because you were surprised they were actually wrestling?
Guest:Just surprised that I got into it.
Guest:I was like, oh, this is kind of cool.
Guest:Their outfits, they made them look like superheroes.
Guest:Yes, exactly.
Guest:Now, were there any memorable feats that happened in front of you or just in general that you were impressed by?
Guest:I liked that other wrestler, the one who does a lot of flips and stuff.
Guest:Oh, he was a luchador.
Guest:Vikingo.
Guest:He comes from Mexico.
Guest:Yes, that guy.
Guest:Yeah, he was cool.
Guest:He was fun to watch.
Guest:That's so funny.
Guest:We just talked about this a couple weeks ago that I showed Dawn and Owen some Mexican wrestling, and they enjoyed it, and they were like, I like that better than the other things you've shown me because there were flips and there were gymnastics.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Uh, now how did this entire thing make you feel about this being one of your husband's main hobbies?
Guest:Um, it was definitely cool to share it with him, you know, to see like how, you know, he, how he gets into it.
Guest:I can, I can see why people get into it.
Guest:It's, it's definitely entertaining and it's fun.
Guest:That's good.
Guest:That's good.
Guest:It's not like you sat there and you were like, oh my gosh, I gotta like, this is one part I'm going to have to scrub from my memory that he did too.
Guest:I was kind of anticipating that, but it wasn't like that.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:It's not like he's watching like a blood sport or something.
Guest:It's not like he brought you to like a cage fight.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I bring this up a lot that like when I took Mark to the wrestling show and we happened to go backstage and he saw everybody back there, he was like, oh, these people are like me.
Guest:These are showbiz people.
Guest:This is not...
Guest:athletics like they're they're athletes and they're they're you know physical specimens but they're much closer to you know entertainment and and the entertainment industry than they are to like jocks uh well that's great i'm glad you guys went i'm glad that uh you know it was uh i think you i think you guys left at just the right time chris told me when you guys left i was like that's perfect because you don't burn out you just go and enjoy it and uh and and uh it made me very happy to see both on tv there thanks
Guest:Uh, now what are you going to, are you going to do anything?
Guest:You're going to take him to something that he has not yet, uh, appreciated.
Guest:What can he reciprocate with this?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:He owes you one.
Guest:He, he owes you a make good.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'll have to think about it.
Guest:We'll get people if they, if they say, if you got some suggestions for Aaron, she, you know, Chris is on the hook here.
Guest:He can, you know, he can go do something now that he wasn't going to do.
Guest:Give, give some, give some options for them.
Guest:Send that in on the comment page.
Guest:Thank you, Aaron.
Guest:I don't mean to interrupt your workday, but I was very interested to know how everything went.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Thanks for having me on.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Bye.
Guest:Bye.
Guest:Dude, I don't know if you heard that last part, but I said I solicited the listeners to, you know, send in suggestions of what Aaron can tell you to come do with her.
Guest:That is a reciprocal, you know, thing where, you know, you can come around to it.
Marc:Probably learn Excel or some shit that she does with her job.
Yeah.
Marc:The first segment of dynamite was, uh, Adam, uh, Adam Cole, baby.
Marc:Oh yeah.
Marc:It was like a talking segment promo.
Marc:And, and the, so the first thing she sees and hears out of me is fuck you, Adam.
Marc:And she's just like, what is happening right now?
Guest:Well, also the hilarious thing about that is these guys come out in the beginning of the show and do a promo about this five month long backstory.
Guest:Um,
Guest:And this was the culmination of it.
Guest:And I can only imagine like, like every now and then on the TV, I could see you guys on there and I see you leaning over and explaining things to her.
Guest:And I'm like, oh man, there's a lot of explaining going on right now.
Guest:I'm sure of it.
Guest:You see, there's a reason where you're calling this guy to go fuck himself.
Guest:Like there's, there's a whole thing.
Guest:You had to be there.
Guest:Yeah, it was, it was something.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm just glad that this didn't end up in a kind of Matt B. Davis situation with you and your wife where you're full of resentment toward each other.
Guest:And it's not going to come out until much later.
Guest:Check back in 20 years.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:You guys are having a conversation and it's like, well, what about that fucking time you made me go to wrestling?
Yeah.
Guest:uh you and your fucking little wrestling bullshit i put up with yeah i i don't know how much you got to hear that you were very kind to like step out of the room and uh you know aaron said like it made her understand why you'd get into it why anyone would get into it so i think that's that's a real you know it comes from a true place of love and understanding that she uh she she fully gets you and this part of you
Marc:And also, though, wrestling is, it's not rocket science.
Marc:Like, this stuff, it makes you feel good.
Marc:And it's fun.
Marc:It's a fun outlet to watch.
Marc:Like, I don't know.
Marc:It's not that complicated.
Guest:Well, I'll quote Bryan Danielson, who's one of the great wrestlers of all time and is still playing his trade today.
Guest:And when he started in AEW, one of the reasons he went to AEW was because he felt like
Guest:He could do more actual wrestling than he was doing in WWE.
Guest:He could go to places.
Guest:He just wrestled in the Tokyo Dome in New Japan.
Guest:And so he can do that stuff with a different company.
Guest:And he has this great quote.
Guest:And he says, if you show excellent, excellent professional wrestling to anyone...
Guest:They will enjoy it because excellent professional wrestling is fucking awesome.
Guest:And I agree with that.
Guest:I think that that's true.
Guest:And it's true of almost any form of storytelling.
Guest:If you show someone the best version of it, they're going to have a good time.
Marc:Yep.
Marc:Check out episode 151499 of this show.
Marc:Thank you very much.
Guest:I appreciate that as a closing shot.
Guest:If you want us to talk about anything or address anything else you heard on this show, scroll to the comment section and just click on the link.
Guest:Send us your thoughts, your topics, your prayers, whatever you want, how we feel about our souls.
Guest:And we will see you again.
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Guest:You're paying for it.
Guest:So make it what you want.
Guest:And until then, I'm Brendan.
Guest:That's Chris.
Peace.