BONUS The Friday Show - A Nomination Will Rise
Guest:People are always like, oh, the Oscars snubbed this person.
Guest:It's like they didn't sit around and have a discussion and choose what five people.
Guest:This is a blind vote.
Guest:This is like, it's like an election.
Marc:Right.
Marc:There's no cigars, you know, filled room where people are like, OK, we're going to snub Greta Gerwig right now.
Marc:It's like, no, this is everyone's just voting.
Guest:Nikki Haley didn't just get snubbed in New Hampshire.
Guest:She lost.
Guest:Hey, Chris, you got through.
Guest:I got through what?
Guest:You got your question through to Mark in Ask Mark Anything.
Guest:I knew it was you.
Marc:I was thinking about saying long time first time, but I figured he wouldn't get the reference.
Guest:uh in case you're listening to this and you have already listened to the bonus episode from earlier this week ask mark anything number 13 chris uh submitted the question about amy man's pools uh which now wait i have a question for you was that the only question you submitted
Guest:yeah oh okay because there was another one that i was like i think chris might have submitted this one too which one it was you mentioned in a recent episode that willem defoe didn't like you but i went back and listened to that episode and he seemed perfectly engaged what did i miss like that's exactly what you said about that episode some other person had the exact same reaction and i don't know if you heard mark's response yes but he was like i don't know because i was sitting across from him
Guest:His face, he was looking at me.
Guest:You don't get it.
Guest:Again, though, again, though, I still have to, you know, maybe there's a 50-50 chance that's just Willem Dafoe's resting bitch face.
Marc:100%, by the way.
Marc:I saw poor things.
Marc:It's definitely.
Marc:Oh, come on.
Marc:He's got all that shit all over his face in that one, though.
Marc:That would be tough.
Marc:I didn't notice anything.
Yeah.
Guest:If Mark was sitting across from Willem Dafoe with the poor thing's face, I would understand.
Guest:Totally.
Marc:But yeah, I love that.
Marc:I was taking out my garbage when I was listening to that.
Marc:And I howled and belly laughed when I heard that question come in.
Guest:Well, good.
Guest:I'm glad you got your question answered.
Guest:Was there anything else in those questions that you had never known or there was a revelation to you?
Marc:No, not that I didn't know.
Marc:But there is a question that has been hanging since Monday's episode.
Marc:And that is, were you upset that Mark asked you to tack on another interview?
Marc:No, no, no.
Guest:I was not upset with him.
Guest:As soon as he told me he was going to do it, I said I thought it sounded like a good idea.
Guest:When he told me he was going to do it, I had not yet listened to the episode that he had sent me.
Guest:And frankly...
Guest:when I did listen to it, I was glad he recorded a second part because I felt like the, I felt like the second part was more substantial.
Guest:It was more, you know, like the first part was hanging out and they were, you know, right.
Guest:Chatting like comics, but it,
Guest:I felt like the second part was what got to a point.
Guest:And I think Mark felt that intuitively.
Guest:He knew that like he left something out and like good on him to go back and get it.
Guest:We don't normally have the opportunity to do that if it happened.
Guest:So I'm glad he did.
Guest:And, you know, it's funny.
Guest:There's somebody wrote in to say, you know, they really liked,
Guest:hearing Mark and Jacqueline and, you know, their dynamic together.
Guest:And they asked, will there be a bonus episode, you know, in the extra content here?
Guest:And I don't know that it's enough to make a full episode out of, but it's definitely, there's definitely stuff that will go into the producer cuts airing in February.
Marc:Jacqueline, great guest.
Marc:How much time passed between the first interview and the second interview?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Less than five days.
Marc:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:Okay.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Gotcha.
Marc:Since that episode aired, I actually watched her Netflix special.
Guest:Oh, I haven't seen it yet.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:She talks a whole lot.
Marc:Sometimes I put on television and I just want to wind down for the day.
Marc:That was the wrong choice.
Marc:Oh, you weren't winding down.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:No, she was just going.
Marc:And it was like, wow, this is a lot right now.
Marc:I actually had to like pause it and be like, I need a break from this special.
Marc:But yeah, it was very good.
Marc:Very good.
Marc:Oh, good.
Marc:I'll have to check it out.
Marc:What else?
Marc:Oh, I also need to ask you.
Marc:Mark mentioned the drunk heckler on his special.
Marc:Now I know, you know, you're not the producer of his specials, but you have an elephant like memory.
Marc:Do you know if Bobcat left in the drunk heckler?
Guest:It's not, it's not in the, in the special.
Guest:At least I don't remember it.
Guest:I don't remember anything.
Guest:I do remember Mark talking to the crowd more in that more later.
Marc:I do remember something.
Marc:I just don't remember.
Guest:I don't remember being a drunk.
Guest:I know there was a part that was cut out that they then released as promotional material.
Guest:They had a Twitter video or a Facebook video or something with Mark talking to Bobcat over the voice of God.
Guest:And it was because Bobcat screwed something up.
Guest:And he was like, Mark, Mark, go back.
Guest:The camera was in the wrong spot.
Guest:And he was like, are you serious, Bob?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he was like, yeah, just do it again.
Guest:Like, you know, it's in the middle of his special, but he like had moved the camera wrong or something.
Guest:And Mark's like, only now you have to do the voice.
Guest:And he was like, fuck you.
Guest:And he's like, no, no, no, you screwed up.
Guest:You have to do the voice.
Guest:You have to do it.
Guest:And like, it's quiet for a second.
Guest:And then Bob's like, oh, God, you gotta go back.
Marc:Legend.
Marc:That's great.
Yeah.
Marc:That's perfect.
Marc:Also, have you started following Auschwitz on Twitter yet?
Guest:I have not.
Guest:I have not reintegrated Twitter into my daily media diet in any way that would encourage me to follow Auschwitz.
Guest:I know that was a great laugh.
Marc:That is...
Marc:Wow, that was great.
Marc:I mean, what a move to follow that account.
Marc:I didn't know that was an account, so good on them for having a Twitter account.
Guest:I love that it's questionable to me, too, whether Mark intended that as a punchline or he was just actually using it as a defense.
Guest:Like, well, I'm following Auschwitz on Twitter now.
Yes.
Guest:Uh, yeah, no, that was, that, that's a great laugh.
Guest:And I'll tell you what, I did something this week was more than this week.
Guest:It's been for like the last several months.
Guest:I've been having to go through, um, episodes that are the files that are being hosted by a cast and, uh,
Guest:It's complicated, not worth me getting into.
Guest:But essentially, there's a spot that I have to put a time cue in each episode.
Guest:And only I have those time cues from the files that are in my possession.
Guest:And so I'm the one who has to go in and put these little markers in that's invisible to anyone else who's listening.
Guest:It's just a data thing that goes in there for ad tracking purposes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But so I've been the one that has to go through it.
Guest:I've been doing it for months, a little bit at a time.
Guest:And, uh, the other day I was in there and I had stumbled across the David Spade episode and that I forgot that has probably, that is the guest who probably made Mark laugh the hardest.
Marc:Oh really?
Guest:Spontaneous hardest laugh I've ever heard from Mark.
Guest:Um,
Guest:I'm almost loathe to explain what it is.
Guest:So listen, if you want to go hear Mark laugh really hard, just go to the David Spade episode of WTF.
Guest:It's episode 669.
Guest:And you could go basically to the last like 10 minutes where David tells this story about how his personal assistant tried to kill him.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Chris, you better clarify why you're saying yes.
Guest:Because it sounds like you're saying yes that his assistant tried to kill him.
Guest:No, sorry.
Guest:The story is just legit.
Guest:It is just... Well, it's an amazing story.
Guest:Harrowing story, actually.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:David's, I won't give it away.
Guest:No, no, no.
Guest:Just go listen to it.
Guest:Experience it.
Guest:David's button on the end of that story.
Guest:So killed Mark in a way I've never heard.
Guest:Like, like I've, Mark has said this many times on the show that like, I have heard more of him than anyone else in, in his life.
Guest:Like I've listened to his voice more than he listens to himself.
Guest:And that's probably true.
Yeah.
Guest:I've heard him laugh plenty.
Guest:Mark's a fun time.
Guest:If you're a funny person, he'll sit and he'll laugh and enjoy you.
Guest:I have never heard him be caught off guard with a laugh like that with David Spade, like a sucker punch.
Guest:He sucker punched him with a laugh.
Guest:And it is a great laugh.
Guest:It is a great joke.
Guest:It is a great feeling.
Guest:And so, yeah, I would recommend going and seeking that out.
Marc:Yeah, that's a good one.
Marc:And I heard a similar laugh from Mark when you guys played the little segment for a morning sedition for Tom Johnson.
Guest:Yeah, Tom Johnson.
Guest:Yeah, a great guy who we both knew and all three of us knew.
Guest:And, you know, he was he was one of the funniest people.
Guest:Mark is absolutely right.
Guest:It's like we'd be like, how's this guy so funny?
Guest:It's just impossibly funny.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:He's like a one of one.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And he, I mean, the thing that doesn't, I feel like it doesn't translate, but Mark and Tom were doing all of this live.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:I was thinking the same thing, dude.
Guest:Listening back to that.
Guest:I can't, I can't tell you how many times I've heard that clip in my life.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We played this at the beginning of Thursday's episode as a tribute to Tom Johnson, who died last week, a writer from our old Air America days and a comedy writer on many things.
Guest:And I couldn't get over how it sounds like we must have prerecorded that because it's so tight.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:It is so tight and it's all written by Tom.
Marc:Like that's the thing.
Marc:It was, it's so well written and it's, it's acted beautifully by both guys.
Guest:It's also so tight that it feels like you and Riley, Mark Riley, who are laughing through the whole thing.
Guest:It feels like a laugh track.
Guest:It feels like you guys are like, your laughs are so intentionally in the spots that they should be.
Marc:It's amazing.
Marc:Yeah, like when he mentions the house cleaner, or whatever her name was.
Marc:Yeah, and Riley is just laughing immediately.
Marc:It sounds like a sitcom.
Guest:Yes, and the part that always gets me, again, it's just great timing, and it's timing over the phone.
Guest:Yes, not in the same room.
Guest:They could see each other, if you remember.
Guest:We had that glass.
Guest:It was that adjacent studio that Tom would call in.
Guest:Anyone that was doing a call-in bit, you'd call in from that adjacent studio.
Guest:So you could sit there and actually look at Mark through the glass while you're on the phone.
Guest:But like, you know...
Guest:You're still like a phone is a phone.
Guest:It can have like a little delay.
Guest:It's not, you're, you're, you're working through this mediated device.
Guest:And there's that moment where he's like, uh, so, uh, we had, uh, our rally at, uh, at my compartment complex.
Guest:And Mark's like, that sounds like a brunch.
Guest:And he's like, no, at our rally brunch rally.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So good.
Guest:So good.
Guest:How are they timing this?
Guest:And the other thing I remember is they would not do it ahead of time.
Guest:Like Mark, he would not be reading it cold.
Guest:We always made sure he read the script like before he did it.
Guest:But he didn't want to do it with Tom.
Guest:Or any of the writers.
Guest:He didn't want to do a rehearsal.
Guest:He wanted spontaneity with their reactions.
Guest:So he would definitely know the script ahead of time, but they wouldn't perform it with each other until they were on the air.
Guest:Live, live radio.
Marc:I mean, I've never, first of all, I've done radio.
Marc:I've never seen anything like that.
Marc:Like a scripted performance between two or more people.
Marc:Just really, really great shit.
Marc:Like Daily Show-esque, like SNL stuff.
Guest:Yeah, these were all Daily Show writers that we had on that show, you know?
Marc:It was a gift.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It really was.
Marc:And it was awesome to see someone at like doing the work and just at that ungodly time.
Marc:And that cannot be understated.
Marc:Like 6 a.m., you know, like everyone's up at four in the morning to put on a show and they are just bringing it every single day.
Marc:It's really just was great.
Marc:And yeah, Tom will definitely be missed.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And I'll put a link in the episode description here if you want to go see the other things Tom Johnson has done from his IMDB page.
Guest:You know, one thing we didn't mention when Mark was talking about him, he was the showrunner for a pilot presentation that Mark did of WTF for Comedy Central.
Guest:This was like in, yeah, this was in 2010.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Maybe the show had not even been a year old.
Guest:It was just starting to get some momentum and Comedy Central commissioned a pilot.
Guest:They call it a pilot presentation because it's not even an official pilot.
Guest:It's like do like like 20 minutes and show us what you could do.
Guest:And then if we wanted to pay for a pilot, we do a full pilot as though it's going to air on TV.
Guest:And then if we want to buy it, we'll buy it.
Guest:And then that will air on TV.
Guest:Oh, interesting.
Guest:This was, like, not meant to air, but it was presented, you know, the way the show would be presented.
Guest:And it's funny.
Guest:It was, like, in that era of, like, what wound up, like, being the Jesselnick Offensive or Tosh.0.
Guest:So it was, like, a show that was, like...
Guest:sketches and panel and concepts as opposed like with a lot of field pieces and video as opposed to an interview show the the idea was like it was mark and chelsea peretti was his co-host oh wow yeah and they would in 99 exactly and they would they would do like you know here's some what the fuck things in the world and like so mark like went out uh dumpster diving with these people who'd
Guest:They were called freegans.
Guest:They found free food and prepared that and ate it.
Guest:They were not destitute.
Marc:No?
Marc:No.
Marc:They weren't finding pickle jars in Hollywood?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:No, no.
Guest:I mean, they were doing what the Manson family was doing, but these were not unhoused people.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:This was just their philosophy.
Guest:Like, Oh, you shouldn't let things go to waste.
Guest:You got to go get it out of the, you know, there's plenty of places where they throw away all the food and it's up to us to go find it.
Guest:So like he went dumpster diving with these people and then prepared a meal.
Marc:Oh my God.
Guest:Did he eat it?
Guest:He did.
Guest:And then Chelsea refused.
Guest:Like she knows she's like, came and she's like, I know what this is.
Guest:I'm not eating it.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:By the way, those people, I would love for my wife to go to one of those because if the ketchup is expired, it's going in the trash.
Marc:And for me, I am.
Marc:That's a lie.
Marc:Yeah, that's a lie.
Marc:I have stuff that's like five years expired.
Marc:I'm like, I don't care.
Marc:It tastes like ketchup, doesn't it?
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:Expired.
Marc:Unless it's milk.
Marc:of course yes yes yeah but if it's a if it is like relish like yeah my relish is okay like i don't care does this relish smell bad yeah it's relish right it's always gonna smell like that my wife will throw out anything like medication like like nyquil i'm like well what what do you want what we're not gonna get sick and like what are you gonna just drink all of it because you know it's gonna expire you know you
Guest:i'm not even sure what does that mean that the nyquil expired right all the alcohol evaporated or something i don't get it all the magical medical stuff like dissolve and it's less potent like yeah you're right it's like it's like it was made in a cauldron and like when they did it the spell that was cast it has like it's like oh by the time the moon wanes thrice this will no longer be potent
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like there's a bottle of a leave in my house and she's like, oh, this expired in 2017.
Marc:And I'm like, I don't care.
Marc:I got a headache.
Marc:It's going in a year.
Guest:I'll take my headache to expire.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, one other question about the Ask Mark Anything.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Was there anything that you, that Mark did to ever piss you off?
Marc:I know Mark has a story about when Trump was president and you were just like, dude, I don't know.
Marc:We're all trying to get through it.
Guest:Yeah, but that's funny that he brought up that story.
Guest:Like that did not piss me off.
Guest:Like, you know what that was?
Guest:That was just me setting boundaries.
Guest:Like I was like, I was essentially like,
Guest:I am also upset by Donald Trump's presidency.
Guest:I cannot field your panic every time.
Guest:I am mine.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:I'm not the sounding board for that.
Guest:I'm the sounding board for plenty of things in Mark's life.
Guest:I'm not for that.
Guest:So that was just me setting boundaries.
Guest:I wasn't pissed at him.
Guest:I mean, there's nothing about...
Guest:Mark, where I'm so pissed off that we got in a fight.
Guest:There's work things where you're like, wow, why the fuck do you do that?
Guest:But there's nothing that I couldn't talk to him about or that we haven't smoothed over.
Guest:And he's right.
Guest:We've had an amazingly well-functioning relationship as business partners, as work associates, as friends.
Guest:And now it's going on 20 years this year.
Guest:So it's kind of crazy that that happens.
Guest:He brings up the one time we had a fight...
Guest:And I struggled to even remember what it was.
Guest:I think it was almost like PTSD from that time.
Guest:And I think it was during Break Room Live.
Guest:He was just toward the end of that as it was kind of clear that it was going nowhere.
Guest:And he was, you know, just not happy with things.
Guest:He was really...
Guest:And I think one time he's just being generally unpleasant to everyone.
Guest:And I think I just had had it mostly on the, just the terms of being the show producer and not being cool with it, you know, bleeding out to other people.
Guest:And I think I, you know, probably was...
Guest:making a point but i deliberately did it in public you know like and which made him get defensive and get angry in public back but it was like one of those things where like i said i i wouldn't even i don't even hold it in my head he he probably does because it was a unusual thing for me to get mad like that but um i i didn't i didn't take it personally and i didn't hold it against him and so and like i said i think i just had a lot of uh uh
Guest:trauma from that whole time of trying to get that show to work and it was clearly you know of suicide mission like there was no chance of that show ever working so it was just a lot of stress all the time um but aside from that yeah there's i mean that that's going on you know that was 2009 probably so it's been a very long time since that happened
Marc:Yeah, I got to say, probably Mark just being with you and your personality rubbing off on him, I'm pretty sure that has a lot to do with his overall mellowness.
Marc:Like, you are very even keel, you know, like, you're the steady hand you want at the ship that has waves crashing down, like you're in Wolf of Wall Street.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:We can buckle down the hatchets.
Marc:It's going to be a little chop.
Marc:A little chop.
Marc:Just a little chop.
Marc:Smash cut.
Guest:See, we had some chop.
Guest:There's nothing wrong with a little chop.
Guest:Well, thank you for saying that.
Guest:I'll let you say it.
Guest:I think it would be weird for me to say it, but I will point out that you're definitely not the first person to say that to me.
Guest:So I think it's something that is noticed by people who are close to Mark in his life.
Guest:they can tell that there is a certain amount of influence that we have on each other.
Guest:And that's probably one of the good things that he can benefit from in kind of having this ongoing business relationship.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:I mean, I will say it's not so much that I get mad at him, but I have had to generally have to have a talking to with him about this thing lately.
Guest:And you brought it up again with Jacqueline Novak.
Guest:Well, it's just going to happen because it's like Oscar season, Golden Globes and all that shit.
Guest:The Emmys happened around the same time.
Guest:He's on this kick of like, man, I always wanted to win an award or be in the Oscar talk and this and that.
Guest:And I think that's fine.
Guest:He's talking about it with Jacqueline Novak.
Guest:He mentions it in that.
Guest:But I've cut it out of a few monologues.
Marc:No, no kidding.
Guest:And, and, and finally, like after like the third time it happened, I had to say to him, I'm like, dude, like no one cares about this for you.
Guest:Like, like, you know, and I think that's a good thing for him to hear.
Guest:He agreed.
Guest:He was like, okay.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I hadn't thought about like that.
Guest:Like,
Guest:The way I explained it to him, I was like, your whole thing is to just be honest about your feelings and how things are going.
Guest:And like, this is a valid feeling that you have, but you have to be a little more conscious of the fact that this is a feeling that you have and no one will sympathize with it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because you've won.
Guest:You won the, the, you won fame, you know, you got like, like there's nothing that a person listening to this will realize that, you know, you should have some grievance about like you've, you've won in their ears.
Guest:And so like, you know, in the past, I think people may have rooted for him for his, in his like underdog status.
Guest:And like, when he'd be like, you know, why the fuck am I not on with Jay Leno or why the, you know, and,
Guest:Like, people are like, yeah, he should be.
Guest:This guy should get more attention.
Guest:And it's like, once the president's in your garage, you don't get to do that anymore.
Guest:You know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's literally what Obama said to Mark.
Guest:Like, at the very beginning of that interview, he's like, you can't go on pretending like you're just some little guy anymore.
Marc:You're big time.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, it's true.
Marc:It's true.
Marc:You kind of have to shift, you know, move to something else, you know?
Marc:Right.
Guest:And that's why, like, I don't mind it being in a conversation he has with a guest.
Guest:And it's like, that's like his insecurities or his hangups that are rooted in past experience that might not be as relevant anymore, but it's still there.
Guest:Like, I think that's a thing anybody can struggle with.
Guest:Like, that's not just Mark.
Guest:Like everybody can get to a later age in their life and they're looking back and they're like, why am I still dealing with this same thing?
Guest:So I do think there's something relatable about that a little to an extent, right?
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:When it's like this thing, like every time there's an award show and he's pissed off that he wasn't in the building, I'm like, guy, nobody cares about this.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And especially the other thing is like, we spend so much time on the show talking about like...
Guest:how the Oscars are a joke like all the time.
Guest:Like, although I do have to say we did last year do a bonus episode.
Guest:If you, if you are new to the full Marin, you could go back to last year.
Guest:One of the Mark on movies episodes was about the Oscars.
Guest:And Mark and I like went through the best picture winners for, you know,
Guest:going back several decades.
Guest:And, you know, what we ultimately concluded was it's like a pretty good representation of American film and popular culture.
Guest:Like, I don't think they're totally irrelevant.
Guest:I don't think that there's no reason for them in society.
Guest:Although, you know, the Oscar nominations came out this week and I have my own issues with it.
Guest:I mean, I would say you probably say the same, right?
Marc:yeah absolutely uh you know there there is a you know it's one of those things where i now know how the sausage is made like i now know okay all there are all these blocks of voters and like the all the directors vote for best director uh in a movie and so you know those blocks it's not everyone in hollywood voting for every single option you know every single category so
Guest:Well, and it's also not a committee.
Guest:That's the other thing that always makes me like is weird.
Guest:Like people are always like, oh, the Oscars snubbed this person.
Guest:It's like they didn't sit around and have a discussion and choose what five people.
Guest:This is a blind vote.
Marc:This is like it's like an election.
Marc:Right.
Marc:There's no cigars, you know, filled room where people are like, OK, we're going to snub Greta Gerwig right now.
Marc:It's like, no, this is everyone's just voting.
Guest:Nikki Haley didn't just get snubbed in New Hampshire.
Marc:She lost.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That's a vote.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, absolutely.
Guest:But what I will say, you know, we were talking about this off the mic that I kind of find it just weird.
Guest:You know, you're talking about the sausage being made and in terms of these, you know, kind of groupings.
Guest:Right.
Guest:What I find weird is that we go into each year and...
Guest:and there are movies that are deemed the Oscar movies.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Like, you hear it.
Guest:You'll hear it now.
Guest:Like, stuff is going up at Sundance, and they're like, oh, a batch of Oscar movies.
Guest:Or then September rolls around, and they're like, well, now all the Oscar movies are going to start coming out.
Guest:It's like...
Guest:How about all movies just be Oscar movies and you pick the ones that have the best things in them?
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:I never understand that.
Marc:But there seems to be a social acceptance that, oh no, these movies that come out...
Marc:you know, in September or at Sundance or whatever, they're, they're, they're the Oscar movies.
Marc:Like I, I don't, I don't know why we're all like, you know, attached to that.
Marc:And I want us to break away from that and like free our minds really.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Well, and, and I was looking at the list of movies that came out this year and I was also remembering what you and I and our friends who go to see a lot of movies we're talking about all through the year was like, man, there's so many good movies this year, the year,
Guest:2023.
Guest:It was a great year at the movies.
Guest:And I like a lot of the movies that got nominated for Oscars this year.
Guest:A lot of them.
Guest:There's some great picks.
Guest:It's not one of those years where you're like, oh man, what are they thinking?
Guest:This is boring.
Guest:This is a great year for movies.
Guest:It's well represented in the Oscars.
Guest:And yet...
Guest:There were plenty of things that through the whole conversation of what's going to get nominated, what is in contention, this weird thing.
Guest:Oh, that's in contention.
Guest:These movies are vying for a nomination.
Guest:It's like, well, what about some other great movie that's just not being talked about?
Guest:Why isn't it?
Guest:We saw this happen last year.
Guest:Incidentally, Mark was involved with it with Andrea Riceboro.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And people freaked out like that was some weird thing.
Guest:And it was like, no, it's like a bunch of people who were like, wait, we saw this.
Guest:She was great.
Guest:She was, by the way.
Guest:And they were like, why was she not talked about?
Guest:Just because she's not part of a studio that has the money to pay for the campaign?
Guest:Right, exactly.
Guest:And so what I thought we would do, and Chris and I have picked our own choices here.
Guest:We went through the year's movies.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And if we each had like the magic ability to give an additional nomination to something in all the top categories, it was very easy to find things that had not been talked about at all and yet could easily be considered best picture or best actor or best actress supporting and you name it.
Guest:And so we went ahead and we each did that.
Guest:And I think right now we will do our picks for,
Guest:This is not snubs.
Guest:Let's make that clear.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I don't even necessarily believe in that.
Guest:But this is not like, oh, you know, Margot Robbie should have gotten the best actress nomination.
Guest:Yeah, you can argue that, sure.
Guest:But she was absolutely in the discussion, right?
Guest:I'm talking about things that just did not get talked about for whatever reason, and they were still great.
Guest:So let's go through the supporting categories first.
Guest:What do you have as your choice for Best Supporting Actor, a nomination that just didn't happen?
Marc:So I've seen a lot of movies this year, like a lot of movies.
Marc:And this performance was one of my most surprisingly great performances I've seen.
Marc:I didn't love the movie, but it's Jamie Foxx in They Cloned Tyrone.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Marc:This is a blaxploitation movie.
Marc:And Fox plays a pimp.
Marc:And he's forced into action after a series of eerie events happen.
Marc:And the movie features a lot of stereotypes for the black experience.
Marc:And it kind of turns them on its head.
Marc:And Fox is a part of a little Scooby-Doo crew who have to go and investigate this government conspiracy.
Guest:fantastic like i haven't seen jamie fox this good since i don't know uh since uh collateral or uh that's a great one to pick because like collateral to me is him at his best yeah for sure so yeah jamie fox they cloned tyrone uh perfect perfect way for us to start that's exactly what i'm thinking about like you you aced the assignment right with that very first category because like why did no one talk about that right like he's a popular actor he's
Guest:He has an Oscar.
Marc:Right, he's an Oscar winner.
Guest:Why is he not in the conversation?
Guest:That's absolutely a great one.
Guest:So mine is one that I would say, it's baffling to me why this is not part of the conversation, because this is a movie that was nominated for many other awards.
Guest:And yet you look at, you know, our friend Chris Rosen, he works for Gold Derby.
Guest:You go on that website, they put all like the odds.
Guest:There's Vegas odds.
Guest:This guy was never in any consideration for any award.
Guest:You look at like a leaderboard.
Guest:There was no chance he was getting any nomination.
Guest:He is in Killers of the Flower Moon, which has been seen by everyone voting, right?
Guest:So just why was this guy not talked up?
Guest:And he is not an actor.
Guest:And he killed it.
Guest:And I'm talking about Jason Isbell, who plays the husband of one of the sisters, the family who eventually gets blown up by a stack of dynamite.
Guest:And I was enthralled by his performance.
Yes.
Marc:That's a great pick.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it's like, I don't get it.
Guest:He's in the movie.
Guest:Everyone has watched.
Guest:He's clearly good.
Guest:And like, I mean, honestly, Plemons didn't get talked up in that movie.
Guest:There's so many great supporting performances.
Guest:There is the other sister, Cara Jade Myers, the one who's like the alcoholic who's running around with a gun.
Guest:An amazing performance.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it just never entered the conversation.
Guest:And frankly, I could have included her in my supporting actress pick, but I picked somebody else.
Guest:I picked someone else for supporting actress.
Guest:Great.
Guest:It makes more sense why this would be ignored, because I think the movie is very divisive.
Guest:But again, where were people talking this up?
Guest:This movie came out, I believe, in March or April.
Guest:So there was a lot of time for this to get cranking.
Guest:And nobody ever mentioned her.
Guest:And she's not just a famous, well-regarded actor.
Guest:She'd been in movies, on Broadway, television for my whole life.
Guest:But this is also a crazy, amazing, insane performance.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:it is patty lapone in beau is afraid oh baby that's a great choice that movie might come up a little later for me okay but it didn't in this category it did not i was afraid you were gonna pick this one now frankly uh but like i don't like that's a scary performance it's a
Guest:funny performance it also doesn't show up until two hours into the film and then she has to carry the last hour it's a it's a very difficult bit of business and i get it some people didn't like the movie that's fine but uh you can't deny that she is doing a lot of really good work there and again i'm not saying she should have gotten it over somebody else to bump this person out of the category this to that i'm just saying where was the talk
Guest:For some reason, this was not considered an Oscar performance.
Guest:No, it deserves an Oscar.
Guest:Give it whatever award you got.
Guest:It's a crazy good performance.
Marc:Yeah, man.
Marc:When she shows up, I mean, first of all, I was nervous for a couple of reasons.
Marc:But she does, in fact, carry that movie over the finish line.
Marc:And it's because of her performance that...
Marc:That the movie lands.
Marc:It really is.
Guest:You have to believe what Bo believes.
Guest:Otherwise, you're like, why do I spend this time with this guy?
Guest:Exactly.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:What's your pick for supporting actress?
Marc:All right.
Marc:This actress is having an absolute heater of a year.
Guest:Oh, I already know who it is.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:If they were in NBA Jam, they'd be on fire, right?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:She stars in The Bear.
Marc:She won an Emmy.
Marc:She starred in three movies this year.
Marc:I'm talking about Ayo Ebidari from the movie Bottoms.
Marc:She plays Josie, one of the two unpopular queer high school students who, and I got this from IMDb, and I got to say, this is a great goddamn synopsis of the movie.
Marc:A log line.
Marc:Yeah, a great log line.
Marc:Josie is one of the two unpopular queer high school students who start a fight club as a way to lose their virginities to cheerleaders.
Marc:Which is just great.
Marc:I mean, what more do you want from a movie?
Marc:And she is great in it.
Marc:The cast is great.
Marc:The movie is really good.
Marc:But she is just a revelation in this movie.
Marc:She is funny.
Marc:Funny.
Marc:From the jump.
Marc:And, you know, she's incredible at playing this character.
Marc:She's great in the bear.
Marc:She's great as the girl in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Marc:Like, she is just everywhere.
Marc:And she is just crushing it.
Marc:Yeah, and I want her on your show.
Guest:Yes, we have requested her, but she's now in huge demand.
Guest:Yes, and in fact, to the point where, here's my thing about this pick of yours.
Guest:It's a good pick, and I would say it's only by virtue of the fact that the Emmys were later than they were normally because of the strike, right?
Guest:The Emmys just happened.
Right.
Guest:And the bear won a ton of Emmys, but it, and then we came on the heels of winning a ton of golden globes.
Guest:I bet you that if the Emmys were in their normal, like September period and her rocket started taking off, then I bet you a bottoms conversation would have come up a little more during the Oscar run up.
Guest:I bet.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I would hope so, because the movie was good.
Marc:She is just, I mean, she switches gears so well.
Marc:Like, that's the thing.
Guest:She's a very appealing person.
Guest:Of course, I hold a very charmed place in my heart for her because she's on I Think You Should Leave.
Marc:Yes, exactly.
Marc:That's the other thing.
Guest:Very happy when she pops up in things.
Yeah.
Guest:So those are our supporting performances.
Guest:Let's take it now to actor, best actor, best actress.
Guest:Who do you have for best actor?
Marc:All right.
Marc:Best actor for me.
Marc:There were a couple of people that I thought about, but for me, Joaquin Phoenix.
Marc:in Bo is Afraid.
Guest:See, I would have loved that to have him and Patti LuPone both nominated for this movie.
Marc:That would be great.
Marc:And have to just know that people have to go and sit and watch this movie.
Marc:So if you don't know...
Marc:Joaquin Phoenix plays the titular Bo, a mild-mannered but anxiety-ridden man who confronts his darkest fears as he embarks on an epic Kafkaesque odyssey back home.
Marc:So, first of all, thank you IMDB for that great logline.
Guest:I believe that the director, Ari Aster, said he described the movie when it was being made as Lord of the Rings but about Jewish sons.
Yeah.
Marc:I mean, man, I want to watch it again right now with that in mind.
Marc:But yes, that is very, very true.
Marc:Joaquin Phoenix embodies this man-child persona in such an endearing way that you just can't help but be rooting for him through all these just calamities that befall him.
Marc:It's really just a tour de force of acting.
Guest:He's better in it than he is in most of the things he's been nominated for.
Guest:100%.
Guest:Because it's internal.
Guest:It's an internal performance.
Guest:The nature of the character does not allow him to go past a certain percentage of external.
Guest:Everything is inward.
Guest:Inward, inward.
Guest:That's where he's holding in all of his anxieties.
Guest:And you only get very few moments where he can have a catharsis.
Guest:Most of it involving his giant balls.
Guest:But the...
Guest:Sorry, is that a spoiler?
Marc:A little bit, yeah.
Guest:But yeah, I agree with you.
Guest:I mean, look, the guy was in this and Napoleon this year.
Guest:And the craziest thing is Napoleon actually got talked about as, oh, he could get an Oscar nomination for that.
Guest:And it's like, I know he didn't, but it shouldn't have even been in the conversation.
Guest:It's like a clown performance.
Guest:He could have done that in his sleep.
Guest:Right.
Marc:And this, Beau is afraid, is a tough, tough thing to pull off.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And he nails it.
Marc:And I mean, you know, we said it for Patti LuPone, like she carries the last half of this movie or last, you know, third of the movie.
Marc:He carries the first two.
Marc:And it's not an easy movie to wade through.
Marc:And he handles it delicately and perfectly.
Marc:Like I loved it.
Marc:So yeah, I loved his performance.
Marc:So that's my choice.
Marc:What do you have?
Guest:Well, my best actor, I'm not going to speak too long about it because we spent a good deal of time talking about this movie last week.
Guest:But I would be absolutely remiss if I didn't say really what was ultimately one of my favorite performances of the whole year, you know, full stop.
Guest:And that was Zac Efron in The Iron Claw.
Guest:And I could not be more impressed by what he did.
Guest:And, you know, the weirdest thing about it is that seems like a movie...
Guest:One million percent designed for Oscars.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Like it's it has like it's it's melodrama.
Guest:It has heartache.
Guest:It has uplift.
Guest:It has a actor formerly known for, you know, his a certain type of image and demeanor, mostly as a, you know, child star and the, you know, kind of glossy picture.
Guest:pinup heartthrob character that he always you know traditionally plays and he plays against type in a way but still kind of true to himself it's like it seems like the the word oscar bait gets tossed around and this seems like oscar bait but it's good like it's good
Guest:chum you can throw this in the water and feel like uh nutritious and for some reason just completely ignored never came up as a conversation of like oh is he gonna win the best best actor and i don't get it it's great i i you know you go back and listen to last week's show and hear all the reasons we said the movie was great and uh i really think zach efron deserved more attention for that
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:Good choice.
Guest:So now with Best Actress, I'm going to cheat a little bit because I saw this movie, well, two years ago now in 2022, but I don't think it got a release in the US until 2023.
Guest:And that is for the movie Master Gardener.
Guest:And the actress is Sigourney Weaver.
Guest:Oh, I haven't seen this.
Guest:top form in this movie in fact when we had her on uh wtf in 2022 that was when i watched the film and i think they believed it was going to be released back then uh she was on also to promote a movie that she was in with kevin klein but uh but master gardener got held back it didn't get released till this year this is the third in paul schrader's i guess he calls it the um right the lonely man trilogy and
Guest:And that would be First Reformed and The Card Counter and this.
Guest:And now, as a movie, this is probably the reason why the performance didn't get a ton of attention.
Guest:It's just a very slow burn, almost painfully slow burn.
Guest:But Sigourney Weaver, who I think often people forget how good she is and stuff, and a lot of times the knock is...
Guest:is that, well, she's kind of cold and emotionless.
Guest:And this performance almost seems like her response to that.
Guest:Like, oh, you want cold and emotionless?
Guest:Well, here you go.
Guest:And in being a very taciturn, remote person, the character that she's playing, who's filled with secrets and disturbing ones at that, she plays it so...
Guest:And you're just, you know, I found myself enjoying her performance in this more than I have in a very long time.
Guest:And I wish more people would see it.
Guest:And that's another thing.
Guest:It's like the same thing with Two Leslie last year.
Guest:It's like more people got to see Two Leslie because...
Guest:You know, the people who thought Andrea Riceboro was good in that got out there and promoted the film.
Guest:Like, you know, that should be the benefit of these nominations as well.
Guest:It's like more people see the good work.
Guest:And this was good work and it should be seen.
Marc:Nice.
Marc:I don't know if I'm going to check it out.
Marc:I saw the card counter and I saw First Reformed.
Marc:I still don't understand First Reformed.
Marc:You love it.
Guest:I wouldn't say I love it, but I like first reform.
Guest:I like first reform better than I like the card counter.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I think I like the both more than master gardener.
Guest:I'm not like, I'm not like trumping up the movie as like a great movie.
Guest:I think Sigourney Weaver is great in it.
Guest:All three of the leads are great.
Guest:Joel Edgerton.
Guest:He's in it.
Guest:He's great in it too.
Marc:Nice.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Well, my choice for best actress that should be in there is Julia Louise Dreyfuss.
Marc:And she was in a movie called You Hurt My Feelings.
Guest:Another thing that is inexplicable to me, how this was not talked about.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It's like designed for Oscars.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And she, first of all, it's Julia Louis-Dreyfus, guys.
Marc:Like, what are we doing?
Marc:You know?
Marc:But she plays a novelist and she's in a marriage with a therapist.
Marc:And she happens to overhear her husband giving his honest reaction to her book.
Marc:And he's panning it.
Marc:And there...
Marc:interplay and her reaction to hearing this and you know it's a secret that that she heard this and the the what follows is so the acting is so true that in honest that in and compelling i at times i felt like i was watching like a documentary more than a movie like like you know how some some movies you just like lose yourself in like this was it
Marc:And Julie Louise Dreyfuss did that with this movie, and she is phenomenal in this.
Marc:And A24 is just making really interesting, you know, movies, like, outside of, like, their everything, everywhere, all at once.
Marc:Yeah, wow.
Guest:I think, like...
Guest:five of the movies we just mentioned are A24 movies.
Marc:That's wild.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But I'm loving them expanding their horizons because a movie like this should be out there and she should be recognized for this performance because it was fantastic.
Guest:I got a little theory about this.
Guest:I think this falls into the same category as the actors from May, December not getting any nominations.
Guest:And that's one that seems a lot weirder to people because that was talked about as an Oscar film.
Marc:That's a snub, right?
Guest:Yes, right.
Yeah.
Guest:But it is a movie.
Guest:And you notice it got a screenplay nomination, right?
Guest:So the writers got that it was a good movie and that it was worthy of being honored.
Guest:But it is a movie that is essentially about how shallow and superficial actors are and how they will break their own morals and be disregarding of other people's emotions and humanity to find what they consider the perfect performance.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, that's interesting.
Guest:And I think it hit a little too close to the bone.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I bet you that that Julia Louis-Dreyfus performance was the same with people who were like, they saw themselves in her reaction to their work being criticized.
Marc:Oh, that's funny.
Marc:Oh, that's really good.
Marc:I bet that's true.
Marc:Yeah, who knows?
Marc:It's just a theory.
Guest:But it really feels that way, especially about the May-December thing.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:That was like, it seemed like it was a gimme, like at least like Julianne Moore, if not everybody in that movie.
Marc:I mean, yeah.
Marc:Natalie Portman, Todd Haynes.
Marc:I mean, yeah.
Marc:I mean, it's, it's definitely an Oscar Beatty movie.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And yeah, you're right.
Marc:I feel like people kind of saw a little bit of a mirror held up to themselves.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, let's do Best Picture.
Guest:And I have a very strong feeling we picked the same movie.
Guest:So I'll let you go first.
Guest:What is your feeling?
Guest:Now, they had 10 nominations.
Guest:And of those 10 nominations, there were all these movies that were basically... There wasn't a surprise of the 10.
Guest:Basically, if you follow Oscar predictions...
Guest:They all got in.
Guest:I think the one movie that was kind of on the outside was The Color Purple, which I think by the time it had rolled out, people pretty much discounted that it was going to get a nomination.
Guest:But again, this is part of the problem is that you have these things ahead of time that are decided, oh, they're all going to get it.
Guest:And like, yeah, if you went to Gold Derby, all 10 movies were the 10 movies they predicted would get it.
Guest:And this movie that I picked was not there at all, ever in the conversation.
Guest:And I think it's the best movie of the year.
Guest:But what was your pick, Chris?
Marc:My pick is The Killer.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:There we go.
Guest:That's mine too.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The Killer was... And thank you, by the way, for telling me about it.
Marc:Because it was such a great experience in the theater.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And...
Marc:It continues to be a great experience.
Marc:Some of our friends told us that, oh, if you put headphones on when you watch it, and I do that with my AirPods, with my Apple TV, I can watch this movie with AirPods on, and it is just as good being in the theater.
Marc:So I recommend you all...
Marc:After you listen to this, put on the killer with some headphones.
Marc:It is a fantastic time.
Marc:It is just a great movie.
Marc:It's about a... Let me just get the IMDb log line.
Marc:After a fateful near-miss, an assassin battles his employers and himself on an international manhunt he insists isn't personal.
Marc:And it is just...
Guest:the best movie i've seen this year man please tell me tell me why you picked it well i mean i picked it because you just said the log line of it and to me it's about that and it's about like five other things as well right like it's a movie about how we work today basically a movie about the gig economy and this guy's gig happens to be he kills people and
Guest:It's a movie about the bullshit we tell ourselves to make ourselves think we're better than we are and that we're more able and capable of dealing with the chaos of the world than we are.
Guest:This character, never named, that Michael Fassbender plays, that has running narration throughout...
Guest:The narration is undermined every step of the film by his own very actions.
Guest:It's one of the more clever films in a genre that doesn't require you to be that clever, to be good.
Guest:Look at the John Wick movies.
Guest:But this is a very well-observed movie about human nature.
Guest:It has a great central performance that carries the thing, but a ton of great supporting performances throughout.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I have yet to, I'm sure there are people who listen to this who saw the killer and didn't like it and that's fine, but I have yet to meet a single person who watched it and did not have a great reaction to it.
Guest:And I've talked to lots of people about it.
Guest:I keep waiting.
Guest:I keep waiting for someone to be like, Oh, I hated that movie.
Guest:And I'd be like, yeah, I get it.
Guest:You know, you can hate it.
Guest:It's a, you know, you might not like that style of film or whatever.
Guest:Um,
Guest:I just keep running into people that loved the killer.
Guest:And part of it is that I think it is a, much like one of the director's other films, which is one of my favorites, Zodiac.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:This movie is almost David Fincher doing a little wink and making an autobiographical film through this character who wants so desperately to be in control, right?
Guest:So Zodiac, I always felt, had some of Fincher in the characters too.
Guest:And he's trying to show what obsession leads to.
Guest:This is a guy who's always been obsessed with getting the best shots and the best composition and everything.
Marc:And like 57 takes of like a guy opening a door for all the time.
Guest:Like this guy wants to do another take of his WTF interview, right?
Guest:He's the controller of everything.
Marc:I can't believe that episode is just sitting there.
Guest:It's just sitting.
Marc:God damn it.
Guest:I'm, I'm waiting.
Guest:I'm waiting.
Guest:I have it on.
Guest:I have it.
Guest:Here's what I could say.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I have it on high authority that there is a desire for that to happen again.
Guest:I also have it on high authority that the episode as was recorded should very much not air.
Guest:What?
Marc:Can you elaborate at all on either of those statements?
Guest:I'd like to go as far as saying someone has told me that personally.
Guest:Let's just say a person involved in that episode has personally told me that the episode should happen again and that that episode should not air because it wasn't good enough.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:Top men, huh?
Marc:Top men.
Guest:Awesome.
Guest:And so, yeah, so David Fincher, he is very much the Jake Gyllenhaal character in Zodiac, but he is also very much...
Guest:I don't want to go as far as to say he is the killer in The Killer, but he knows that lurks within him.
Guest:And there is a lot of this movie of him winking at the camera saying, yeah, look at this guy who thinks he's got everything by the balls and watch me spiral it out of control.
Guest:And if you've seen The Killer, this will make sense to you.
Guest:If you have not, this is not giving anything away.
Guest:But I heard someone describe the killer in one sentence and they said, it is a movie about an extra ruining the perfect shot.
Guest:And that's what it is.
Guest:And like, if you look at it just through that lens, you can see it as this guy's life work, like David Fincher's life's work.
Guest:is like, I'm going to show you not only how I can make an awesome Hitman movie, but in making that awesome Hitman movie, I'll show you everything that's wrong with me.
Guest:And that I'm aware of this.
Guest:And the rewards of this movie are innumerable and they repeat over and over and over again.
Guest:I have watched it much like you, Chris.
Guest:I've watched it many times.
Guest:And in fact, I wanted us to do a list of other things, you know, that did not get even considered for Oscar nominations in other categories.
Guest:And that was one for me was best sound for the killer.
Guest:Like you mentioned listening to it in your AirPods.
Guest:Like it's the it was I walked out of the theater and I said to the person I was with, that was the best sound in a theater since Top Gun Maverick.
Guest:which was like a movie designed for you to pay attention to the sound, right?
Guest:This was just amazing sound design and soundtrack as well with the Trent Reznor, Agus Ross score playing underneath and the Smiths music.
Guest:So it was all around fantastic sonic experience.
Guest:Did you have any other things like that, like random categories that you think somebody deserved a nomination?
Guest:I mean...
Marc:Yeah, there were a couple of... First of all, the movie Air didn't ever enter a conversation.
Marc:Yeah, nothing.
Marc:And this movie was just one of the best movies to come out this year.
Marc:I think it came out in January, perhaps.
Marc:I think it was April.
Marc:I think it was April.
Marc:Oh, was it April?
Marc:Excuse me.
Marc:But it's just like, oh yeah, look at this great movie that's out with these two...
Marc:blockbuster stars and they're they're taking on michael jordan and they wrote it and they wrote and like it's it's nowhere to be found somehow come like i i don't i don't get it you know i don't get how it's never even in the conversation there's that um for best score uh for me spider-man across a spider-verse was sonically like up there with the killer because it was
Marc:It was awesome.
Marc:Like there's a transition at the end where the Prowler is there and we go back to Gwen and the score of that scene is so beautiful.
Marc:It has the Prowler's theme.
Marc:It has Miles's theme and then transitions to Gwen.
Marc:And it is just, it's a hat on top of a hat on top of a hat and it just cascades and it's beautiful.
Marc:And I can't believe it's nowhere to be found.
Guest:Even my own son mentioned that one of the things he liked about Spider-Man was that he said everyone had their own theme and he knew when they were coming.
Guest:And I was like, yeah, they did that right.
Guest:They communicated to you who is around, what emotions you're feeling at this point because of who the characters are and their motifs.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:They told the story in the music.
Guest:They did it with the color palette too, which is another thing.
Marc:I know.
Marc:Amazing.
Marc:Amazing stuff.
Guest:uh you know i have a really off the beaten path one but i like this this is exactly this is like your jamie fox pick it's like if somebody could just think a little bit outside the box on this like this movie at first you're like what but it totally would have made sense and like especially if you started to like show it to people and then they had to consider it in this lens that i think a best adapted screenplay nomination should have gone to dungeons and dragons honor among thieves
Marc:Have you seen that movie?
Marc:Of course I have.
Marc:It's delightful.
Guest:It is very fun.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:It has no right to be.
Marc:It doesn't.
Guest:And they, and it's, I think it is, I mean, the performances are fun.
Guest:The visuals are fun, but I think it's all because of how they structure it.
Guest:that script yeah it reminded me of the lego movie like another movie where there should be no reason that a movie based on a toy product was this good and had this depth and this much fun and this one did and and look i'm not a dungeons and dragons fan i was not a player or anything it all made sense i did not feel like it was like just for the nerds right i did not feel alienated from it i felt like we sat and had a fun time at the movies and
Guest:And, and like, what more do you want?
Guest:Like, I'm not talking about being lowbrow.
Guest:It was not lowbrow.
Guest:It was a well done script.
Guest:These guys deserved some attention.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It was a good old fashioned fun time at the movies that like, I mean, I wish I could like take kids to go see it.
Marc:Like, like groups of kids should go see Dungeons and Dragons because it's hilarious and fun.
Marc:It's just a fun time at the theater.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, if anybody has other suggestions for Oscar nominations that missed, that were never even talked about, and that absolutely should be considered for 2023, go ahead and send them in.
Guest:We have a link in the comment section.
Guest:You can just click on that and send us your thoughts.
Guest:We'd love to hear them.
Guest:We'd love to go through it.
Guest:I think we're going to have to do a full mailbag episode coming up because we've got so many comments and questions coming in.
Guest:Just on the basis of what we talked about last week regarding Green Day and other bands, this came in from Armand, who said the answer as to why Green Day opened for Blink-182 when they toured.
Guest:This has been revealed on the MTV doc on the Pop Disaster Tour of 2002.
Guest:And it was solely decided on the fact that Blink-182 requires more setup time as they used pyrotechnics and a spinning drum kit.
Guest:Even Blink-182 admitted in the doc it was crazy as Green Day was the band known to blow everyone away.
Guest:But what I don't understand about this...
Guest:Why didn't they go on first if their setup took longer?
Guest:But I guess what that could mean is that they needed the extra time.
Guest:So you get to a place with your load in, right?
Guest:And they know the load in for Green Day is going to be X period of time.
Guest:The load in for Blink-182 is going to be more time than you have before the start of the show.
Guest:So they're still building stuff, you know, in the side pits of these, you know, amphitheaters or wherever they are.
Guest:So that that's happening while the early, there were earlier bands on that too.
Guest:I think like Jimmy Eat World or some other bands.
Guest:And so those bands are going, then Green Day goes and they're still, you know, setting up Blink-182's Pyro or whatever in the back.
Guest:And then by the time they're ready to go, everything's, everything's out there.
Guest:That could be the reason.
Guest:The bottom line is I then went and looked this up and the guys from Green Day were like, yeah, we didn't care.
Guest:We just knew we're going to blow these guys off the stage.
Marc:That's awesome.
Guest:They were like, and remember, I wondered about this last week.
Guest:I said, I wonder if it's because this was like kind of during Green Day's like down period.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's before American Idiot, and it absolutely was.
Guest:That guy Trey Cool, who is the drummer, he was like, no, we wanted a comeback, basically.
Guest:And so the way we were going to do it was we were going to prove we were better than the guys that everybody said were the new kings of punk, right?
Guest:That's great.
Guest:So we're just going to go out there and just wreck them.
Marc:Yeah, and they did.
Marc:I remember vividly being at MSG being like, holy shit, Blink-182 has to follow them?
Marc:Like, that's crazy talk.
Marc:So good for them.
Marc:Mission accomplished for them because they fucking rule.
Marc:Absolutely.
Guest:I also like this.
Guest:This was directly related to our conversation last week about bands.
Guest:It says, what caught my ear was the Woodstock 94 mention.
Guest:So in 1994, I was 11 and Dookie had just hit the planet.
Guest:That sounds funny.
Guest:Our local blockbuster had the Woodstock 94 double VHS to rent.
Guest:And it was so popular due to Green Day that there was a week long wait list to get it.
Guest:Upon watching it, Green Day and this show was the gateway to the real gold, viewing the band Primus playing those damned blue-collar tweakers.
Guest:It led to a 30-year Primus commitment and made me a devout, lifelong fan.
Guest:That VHS changed my life, and thank you, Green Day, the non-internetness of 1994, Blockbuster Video, and Woodstock 94 for being the older brother or ice cream man showing a kid something cool.
Guest:Thanks for the flashback, Jeff in San Diego.
Guest:That's a very cool story and a perfect way that these things happen.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like that's such a great example, getting this thing from the video store.
Guest:And it's not the thing that you were expecting, but this other thing you're blown away by.
Guest:I love that.
Guest:That's such a great, great thing.
Marc:Yeah, I feel like it's a lost in time thing as well.
Marc:Oh, totally.
Marc:Kids are never going to experience that.
Marc:They're not going to press a button on their Spotify or iTunes or Apple, Amazon and get something else.
Guest:No, no, they're never going to have that thing of walking through this store with boxes on the shelf and you made your decision for the night based on how this box looked.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, like you're like, well, there's an explosion on that one.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Or, or you made a decision and you realize, oh, they don't have this today.
Marc:All right.
Marc:What else do I need?
Marc:What's the next?
Marc:Yeah, exactly.
Marc:Like this one looks good.
Marc:It adds this explosion in a mountain.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I got to say.
Guest:that like i enjoy that some like people talk about now that you have unlimited choice and that's like sometimes that's not good like i don't like having unlimited choice like i like i like it to be curated i like i like it to be narrow that's why disc jockeys exist because they like play the music for you right people talk nostalgically about video stores a lot but this comment that came in from jeff in san diego that's a perfect reason why yeah thank you jeff
Guest:All right, and if you have anything, yeah, send it in.
Guest:Like I said, I think we're really piling up the comments and emails here, and I should just make the executive decision.
Guest:We'll do a whole episode of your comments and questions and thoughts and anything you want to send in.
Guest:Go to the episode description, click on the link, and we'll get that mailbag cleared out very shortly.
Guest:Until then, I'm Brendan, and that's Chris.
Guest:Peace!