BONUS Producer Cuts - Peter Sarsgaard, Matt B. Davis and Marc's existential journey from December
Guest:Hey, Full Marin listeners, it's time for this month's installment of Producer Cuts.
Guest:I am the producer of WTF, Brendan MacDonald, and every month here, if you're new, what we do is we listen to some of the things I've had to cut out of recent episodes.
Guest:Everything here came from the episodes in December.
Guest:We've done enough of these that there are noticeable patterns or reasons why I have to cut some things out.
Guest:And frankly, there was a lot of stuff in Mark's monologues in these December episodes that I wound up cutting out.
Guest:And then when I listened back to it, I realized it's kind of all thematically one thing.
Guest:These were mainly just things I took out over the course of about four episodes where
Guest:where I thought, well, Mark's just kind of venting here.
Guest:He's trying to search for something.
Guest:He's trying to put together some thoughts in his head about where he's at and how he's feeling.
Guest:And I do think if you go back and listen to those episodes, he gets there in a kind of concise way.
Guest:But what I wound up cutting out was a lot of him working through his feelings.
Guest:And overall, I thought that we were able to get a just kind of much cleaner experience
Guest:and shorter version of what he was saying in the actual monologues.
Guest:But here for you, I know that Full Marron subscribers often have experience with Mark going back many years.
Guest:You're used to times in his life where he's had a lot of self-doubt or insecurity.
Guest:And so this type of stuff might be very familiar to you.
Guest:And what I'm going to kind of do here is string it all together.
Guest:So this is
Guest:What you're about to hear is from four different episodes, but I don't know, it kind of feels to me when you put them all together, it's really one train of thought, one monologue where he's kind of been over the course of, well, two weeks here, trying to put together his feelings of why he's feeling a certain way.
Guest:And it kind of like all comes home to him by something that Kit says to him.
Guest:So I'll let you listen to this one after another.
Guest:These are from four separate monologue recordings from episodes...
Guest:1493, 1494, 1495, and 1496.
Guest:So just four back-to-back-to-back-to-back sessions.
Guest:And you'll hear that right now.
Guest:I'm not going to interrupt any of these.
Guest:We'll just have a kind of slight transition in between each one.
Guest:But like I said, these were four separate episodes, and I'm going to just put them all together here so you can listen to it from start to finish.
Marc:The shows have been going well.
Marc:I just did the Dynasty, what was it, Friday night, last Friday, and it was great.
Marc:And I didn't even think I could do it.
Marc:It's a very strange thing that never goes away with me.
Marc:I don't really know what your job is.
Marc:But I didn't do comedy for maybe nine or 10 days.
Marc:I was in Florida.
Marc:I was in New York.
Marc:I did none.
Marc:And that means that's a lot of time out in the world, in my life, in engaging with whatever I engage with outside of comedy.
Marc:Sometimes my brain is not a great place, but it just wasn't.
Marc:I didn't do any comedy.
Marc:And then coming up on the date, I'm like, fuck.
Marc:what am I going to do?
Marc:What am I going to do up there?
Marc:And that never goes away.
Marc:And it was really kind of, I started talking about it a bit on stage actually about, you know, if you have a job or a life where you have, and I guess everybody does it, but it may not be a job, but if you have a public facing part of you that has to engage with whatever that part of your life is, whether it's your job or whether it's,
Marc:your family.
Marc:I guess this is not that big a realization, but there's also this inner life, this, I guess, this other version of you, this, I wouldn't call it real, but it's, it's the one that lives with you inside of you in your, in your heart and in your head.
Marc:And sometimes that is at odds with whatever your public facing personality is.
Marc:And there's this moment where
Marc:They can be in conflict.
Marc:And I don't know why this kind of became true for me on Friday where I'm like, and I've dealt with this before, but I don't think I've seen it in these terms where I'm like, is the other part of me, the part of me that I live with all the time, going to fuck me up here?
Marc:Is it going to drag the public part of me down?
Marc:Right.
Marc:Is it going to come out and just sit there or just kind of sit in that weird, you know, un...
Marc:Not what's the word I want?
Marc:The part of me that's not charged up, the part of me that's not filled up and engaged, the part of me that's not sure what they're going to say, the part of me that's thinking about darker things, other things, just being in life.
Marc:Is that part of me going to consume the part of me that is public facing or having to do a job?
Marc:I've worried about this in other terms.
Marc:I think back in the day it was just called, am I going to bomb?
Marc:Is the part of me that lives on stage and does the job going to fall into himself, into the other part, and just be absorbed in that moment where all the funny goes away and you're just a guy saying things?
Marc:Am I going to be just a guy saying things?
Marc:Man, do you ever think about how many selves you really have for different things you do in your life?
Marc:Is this just me?
Marc:And look, I've said some stuff recently.
Marc:I'm trying to, you know, it's a very odd thing, you know, being kind of, I think it has something to do with turning 60, I think.
Marc:It has something to do with, you know, just, you know, realizing that I am, you know, not so much out of the loop, but that my life is focused on, you know, what interests me and then also engaging with guests.
Marc:But like in the culture at large, you know,
Marc:in terms of mass movements of money and tickets and everything else, I'm a little out of the loop.
Marc:I don't necessarily...
Marc:you know, resent it, but I think there are things I don't understand.
Marc:And I was watching, you know, I talked to Tammy Pescatelli and that's a forthcoming and it was great to talk to her, but she did a bit on women of a certain age where, you know, she doesn't know what people expect that or I don't remember what the joke is, but you know, she's old enough now, you know, to where there are several, you know, at least four generations beneath us.
Marc:And the idea of like, are we expected to entertain everyone?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's a tall order.
Marc:People are just living too long.
Marc:Am I expected to entertain everyone?
Marc:And you realize, well, no, you can only entertain the people that come to see you.
Marc:But who are they?
Marc:And you start to realize that, you know, my audience, a lot of them are around my age, maybe a little bit younger.
Marc:They're of a certain type.
Marc:I'm not one for the kids unless the kid is a sensitive sort of person.
Marc:you know, kind of existentially aware, you know, aspiring artist or intellect of some kind.
Marc:A certain type of young person enjoys coming to see me.
Marc:But I'm not.
Marc:I am not responsible for entertaining everyone.
Marc:But there's always that part of me that's sort of like, do I need to do TikTok videos?
Marc:Do I need to do that?
Marc:I mean, I got a guy doing my TikTok, putting bits and pieces of this and that up there, but I'm not engaged with it.
Marc:But I mean, I tried to do like I kind of made fun of the TikTok videos on on stage last night after I did the riff on the menorah and the Christmas presents.
Marc:I was like, so I'm trying to keep up with the times, you know.
Marc:So I'm going to try to get involved with TikTok.
Marc:So if you don't mind, I'm just going to do some stuff.
Marc:for some TikTok videos.
Marc:And I asked a guy up front, I'm like, what's your name?
Marc:He's like, Michael.
Marc:I'm like, Michael, go fuck yourself.
Marc:All right, that's one TikTok video.
Marc:And I asked some other guy, so what do you do for a living?
Marc:He's like, well, I'm in set design.
Marc:I'm like, that's fucking stupid.
Marc:All right, that's two TikTok videos.
Marc:Thanks, man.
Marc:I'm glad we did this.
Marc:I can do the crowd work.
Marc:I'm on top of it.
Marc:Anyway, a lot of shows coming up and I'm up against it a little bit.
Marc:I've been happy it's been chilly here in L.A.
Marc:so I can wear my beanies, my overpriced beanies.
Marc:But the show's been fun.
Marc:I was at Largo two nights ago.
Marc:Nick Kroll asked me to be on his show.
Marc:And...
Marc:I love Nick Kroll and we had a good time.
Marc:We had who was there?
Marc:I just I did a spot at the comedy store, which was OK.
Marc:I decided to be obstinate.
Marc:You know, sometimes I don't know.
Marc:It's not that it's it's a bad set, but sometimes I just decide to put myself at odds with the group of people that are there to enjoy the show.
Marc:It's part of my oeuvre.
Marc:It's part of my charm.
Marc:I wonder how it's going to go tonight.
Marc:Is the old man going to be cranky?
Marc:Oh, the old man thing.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Man.
Marc:But that show at Largo, I got there to close it out.
Marc:But when I get there, Bob Odenkirk's there.
Marc:He did a bit.
Marc:I missed it.
Marc:Sarah Silverman, I came in when she was on.
Marc:And John C. Reilly did a few songs with the Watkins guy on guitar.
Marc:It was very, very lovely.
Marc:A lovely evening that after the Comedy Store said, I chose not to ruin.
Marc:I just did what I do.
Marc:I'm pretty clear on that now.
Marc:I'm pretty clear on what it is that I do.
Marc:Yeah, so Largo, I'd never heard John C. Reilly sing his songs, which he does fairly regularly there.
Marc:He has a semi-regular show over there at Largo.
Marc:But it was very pleasant.
Marc:And I enjoyed the reason that he said on stage why he chose to start doing these type of things was he didn't know how to contribute in terms of how horrible everything is on all fronts in the world.
Marc:He didn't know necessarily how to do his part.
Marc:And he started singing these lovely kind of uplifting old songs, which works.
Marc:which works for a minute.
Marc:But see, I'm such, it works for as long as the song.
Marc:Maybe you walk away with a good feeling.
Marc:Man, good feelings are hard to come by.
Marc:And I've been thinking about it more and more, certainly as I get older, but certainly as the world becomes more and more frightening.
Marc:And like, I just got to let it happen.
Marc:You know, I've got to really appreciate and be grateful for the things that I have or that I experience that can sort of keep me from going down a dark hole of my own making or of my own, of my brain's own making.
Marc:But also, you know, we all seem to be
Marc:Those of us who think a certain way or are sensitive to certain things seem to be spiraling the drain a bit.
Marc:I'm not sure that drain doesn't exist, but I can push back against the current, maybe get hold of a branch for a minute, and at least as I'm being pulled, have a bit of enjoyment or something, something that provides some little window of hope.
Marc:And a lot of it has to do with
Marc:You know, other people.
Marc:I didn't realize that when I took all these dates in this month, in this city, that this was going to be like a few weeks of everybody out of town.
Marc:I'm not saying people aren't coming, but it's a weird time.
Marc:And I always forget that about the holidays that that sort of leading up to Christmas and then in between Christmas and New Year's.
Marc:It's just a little it's a little weighty, a little quiet.
Marc:I don't mind it.
Marc:I don't mind the sort of space, but I forget that it's a thoughtful, chilly time.
Marc:And nothing really, nothing about having too much time to think is necessarily great for me, but I'll let it happen.
Marc:I hope it doesn't happen on stage.
Marc:I did, where was I last night?
Marc:I was at Largo.
Marc:And it was good, but it was, again, I think I've talked about this a little before, and I don't know really where I'm going with it or what's happening to me or whether it's age or not or what.
Marc:You know, all I know is I am feeling something.
Marc:There's something that has happened.
Marc:since my birthday in September when I turned 60, it's not that I'm physically debilitated or I feel physically different, but all of a sudden there's some sort of, I feel like I'm in a crunch.
Marc:I'm in a crunch for time.
Marc:And I don't know the window of that time.
Marc:And it's not really a mortality thing, but it's, I was trying to explain it to Kit the other night.
Marc:I was saying, I don't really know what I'm feeling.
Marc:But I just feel different.
Marc:I feel like, you know, I can see that.
Marc:Yeah, it's just that there's the time there's there's there's less time.
Marc:And she was like, well, what is it that you're worried about?
Marc:I'm like, I'm not worried.
Marc:It's just that I'd like to be doing things or experience this chunk of my life in a way that's maybe I don't know if it's peaceful or and she's like, well, is there something you need to figure out?
Marc:I'm like, I don't think so.
Marc:It's not that I need to figure out.
Marc:It's not that I need to find God or buy a new car or jump out of a plane or anything.
Marc:I don't feel like, like I said, what do you mean figure out?
Marc:Do you think there's something I need to figure out?
Marc:And then she said, maybe how to love yourself.
Marc:And I'm like, oh, my God.
Marc:What?
Marc:That wasn't even on the list as a priority.
Marc:But maybe maybe it should be.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:It's one of those heavy moments.
Marc:I know, you know, it was set up like a joke and then it was just a gut punch and then it was a little sad.
Marc:But look, it's me, not you, that it's happening to.
Marc:It's not even the age thing.
Marc:I don't know what's going on with me.
Marc:in terms of what I'm doing on stage, what I'm doing with my creative outlet.
Marc:Last night I was at Largo and I just, I keep coming up against this very fine line.
Marc:And I talked about this a bit before because I think people experience it in their lives.
Marc:This very fine line between me, the me who lives on stage and the me who lives in my skin.
Marc:the me in its purest sense, whatever that might be.
Marc:You can't really detach it from the mind or your reactions to other people, but it's a fine line.
Marc:And I talked about it last night that I could be saying the same thing.
Marc:I talked about...
Marc:You know, the idea of the pure bomb when you bomb on stage and when you and when you bomb in a presentation or in a meeting or whatever your life is, whatever you have to bring to your performative engagement in whatever your life is, the difference between landing it.
Marc:And not landing it, a lot of times it's just how much you let what I guess you would call your authentic self kind of take over.
Marc:Because everything, when you're presenting, whatever it is, it has to be heightened a little bit because there's this sales idea.
Marc:There's this pitch idea.
Marc:There's this idea where, you know, you've got to win the hearts and minds or get the deal or move the merch, whatever the fuck it is.
Marc:You know, this is a fundamentally American, if not global concept of selling the shit, man, selling it.
Marc:But like right beneath that is just a guy going like or a woman or whatever, just saying like, you know, all right, I'm going to sell this now.
Marc:Now, sometimes that happens without really noticing it.
Marc:There's no line between you and that.
Marc:It's second nature, which it is for me.
Marc:But my time on stage, whether it's an hour or an hour and a half, there's still another 22 and a half hours where I'm in my head, I'm in my life, I'm in the food, I'm in the cats, I'm in whatever it is I'm in.
Marc:I'm in the gym, whatever.
Marc:But that whole zone of me being me, isolated from the task at hand, is a whole different frequency that carries a whole different weight.
Marc:And it's not necessarily an entertaining way.
Marc:I don't know if you know that about me, but a lot of times if I'm not on or I'm not doing it, it's not like this is going to be fun, right?
Marc:But coming up against that edge and realizing that, you know, I could be saying the exact same things on stage that in a performance as comedy, if I just drop back a little bit and don't turn on the juice or lock in, it wouldn't land at all.
Marc:I'd just be a guy talking.
Marc:And I had this moment last night where I was like, wow, I think I'm close to not needing you people anymore.
Marc:I think I'm finally okay with just who I am.
Marc:And I talk about it a lot, but there's a weird thing to creativity, I guess, if your outlet is creative and you're putting yourself out there in a way you're expressing yourself.
Marc:When does that come to an end?
Marc:When does that not necessary happen?
Marc:In a sense, you know, I want the community.
Marc:I want the the audience experience.
Marc:I feel like I'm sharing things that people identify with.
Marc:I feel like I, you know, I entertain people.
Marc:I make people less lonely or I feel make people feel less alone or relate or whatever it is the fuck I do.
Marc:But there is some sort of existential thing going on now where I'm like, what am I what am I trying to get here?
Marc:And as I've said, during COVID, when nobody was doing comedy, I was very relaxed.
Marc:And outside of being terrified and in a tremendous amount of grief in terms of the weight of having to do comedy, it was kind of, I was okay with it, not doing it.
Marc:And then people started doing it again.
Marc:And I was like, fuck, here we go.
Marc:Let's turn it back on.
Marc:And I've gone nonstop.
Marc:And I keep going.
Marc:I keep searching.
Marc:I keep going for something.
Marc:And I'm not coming up empty.
Marc:I think that the new stuff is good.
Marc:But...
Marc:I am sort of wondering why.
Marc:And, you know, I've been watching other guys' specials lately just to see, you know, how they're filling the time and what is it.
Marc:I guess it's very hard for me, and I don't know if you have this in whatever you do, where I can't separate myself from my work in any real way.
Marc:I am the work.
Marc:And it's just sort of everything is very life or death for me.
Marc:I mean, not literally, but it's important.
Marc:And I'm that connected to it.
Marc:I'm not autopiloting this.
Marc:I can't autopilot my act.
Marc:And if I do, if I get bored with my material or I get bored with my job, you know, then it's just sort of like a dead man walking, man.
Marc:You know, like it's not quite a zombie, but, you know, to feel that kind of detachment is sort of the worst loneliness you can feel to not be engaged in what you're doing for your life.
Yeah.
Marc:But some people are able to separate that, you know, like there's that and then there's the life I live afforded me by doing that other thing.
Marc:There's no boundaries with that with me.
Marc:And I'm not really a money guy.
Marc:You know, that was all, you know, it's a surprise.
Marc:So I better figure out what I'm looking for.
Marc:And if it's what Kit said, I need to figure out how to love myself or at least have some peace of mind.
Marc:Man, I got to get on it because...
Marc:There's a lot of shoes dropping that I have no control over and that I'm anxious about in terms of the world.
Marc:But if I can get maybe a week, maybe a couple of days where I'm just sort of like, yeah, it happens.
Marc:It happens.
Guest:Okay, so that was Mark's two-week journey with the kind of feelings he was having about himself at that time, going to the comedy clubs.
Guest:And I think maybe something got knocked loose by the time he had a conversation with Kit about it.
Guest:So you get to hear that here on The Full Marin.
Guest:Another thing I wanted to let you hear was something I cut out of the Peter Sarsgaard interview.
Guest:This was just them getting into a little more detail about the movie Memory, the one that Peter was promoting.
Guest:And I felt like what they were talking about here was a little too vague because they were trying to avoid spoilers.
Guest:So unless you had seen the movie, you probably didn't know what they were talking about.
Guest:So it was stuff that could easily just get cut out.
Guest:But then what happened is they started to talk about one of the actors in the film, Jessica Harper, who was from the film Suspiria, which Mark and Kit did an episode about last year.
Guest:And I thought, well, let's give Jessica Harper her flowers here.
Guest:And the only way I could do it is by presenting it to you in this section that I cut out.
Guest:So this was Mark and Peter Sarsgaard talking about the movie Memory.
Marc:Well, I mean, what unfolds really is what you're left with at the end, at least the poetic impression, is that the only thing that was driving you at the reunion was that she looked like your wife.
Marc:That's right.
Guest:No, that's – and a lot of people ask me about, you know, what made me follow her and stuff.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know when you're having a really bad argument with your wife?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And you just need to give her a couple of blocks ahead room?
Guest:Right.
Guest:But then she locks you out of the house.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It was one of those evenings.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:That's how you framed it in your head?
Guest:That's how it felt to me in my mind.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, she doesn't want me to say anything.
Guest:And, you know, I mean, I had an entire... But I did that because when I got the script, that was an entire... Actually, my character was supposed to look at her from across the room.
Guest:It was really serving the story and not the character.
Guest:He was trying to create tension.
Guest:And I had to figure out how to serve that tension.
Guest:Does that make sense?
Guest:Well, right.
Guest:Like he had me be like a voyeur and ooh, guy's following her home and he's doing some creepy stuff.
Guest:And I had to...
Guest:He's not a creepy guy.
Guest:He's just making a mistake.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But there is that menace to it.
Marc:But that's undermined by her not really freaking out.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:Because she was trying to put something together in her own mind.
Marc:And then you kind of find out in a very interesting, again, not spoiling way, that she was trying to put together her trauma experience and made assumptions.
Marc:That's the reason she wasn't going to go to the high school reunion.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:Look how many locks she has on her door.
Yeah.
Marc:I mean, the whole thing is kind of crazy because she really believes you're that guy, which enables her to sort of, you know, come out in the morning and deal.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Marc:Right?
Marc:You know, what's the matter with you?
Marc:You know, but she's got it in her head.
Marc:And what's that woman's name?
Marc:The woman from Suspiria?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, Jessica Harper.
Guest:Jessica Harper.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Jessica Harper is unbelievable.
Guest:She's just so prickly and pointy.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:Because she knows.
Guest:Yeah, she knows.
Marc:Her entire character is built around...
Marc:Intentionally not knowing.
Guest:She can't allow herself to know or she will cease to exist.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It's crazy.
Guest:It's called cognitive dissonance.
Guest:It's a powerful thing, isn't it?
Marc:That's a crazy fucking scene, man.
Guest:Yeah, it is a crazy scene.
Marc:And you're just standing there?
Guest:You know, that was one of those scenes where the fact that I didn't know where to stand or be or how or anything like that was exactly right.
Guest:You know, it's like...
Guest:I remember thinking like, well, I've got to stand next to her so that they know that and she knows that I'm with her.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You know, like I'm on your team.
Guest:That was a simple motivation.
Guest:I just I'm on her team no matter what.
Guest:Even if it's all true, not true, I don't care.
Guest:I'm on this team.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Because the whole structure of the emotions of that little ensemble scene is so crazy.
Marc:But the fact that you are unclear of any of it and almost an innocent but nonetheless present with a full life kind of takes a little of the edge off.
Yeah.
Guest:Totally.
Guest:How about this?
Guest:In 20 minutes after we leave there, I won't be thinking about it.
Guest:At all.
Guest:Okay, one more thing from the monologues that Mark was doing in December, and this was from episode 1497 with Tammy Pescatelli.
Guest:What wound up happening here was...
Guest:Something Mark recorded literally the day after a really upsetting thing happened to him with an argument he got in with a friend.
Guest:Or as you'll hear from this description, a former friend.
Guest:And for two reasons, I cut this out.
Guest:One, I thought that it was going to lead to a lot of like intrigue.
Guest:and people trying to guess who the person is he's talking about.
Guest:And he very clearly did not name the person for a reason.
Guest:And so I thought, well, this isn't a great idea to draw more attention onto this and have people speculating who it might be.
Guest:He very clearly does not want to share who it is.
Guest:And then also from the sense that I feel like Mark's emotions around it were still very raw.
Guest:He was still dealing with it from the day before.
Guest:And I kind of felt like it was just the type of thing he needed to let out of his system.
Guest:And he did it on the mic and didn't exactly intend for everyone to hear it.
Guest:So I brought that up to him.
Guest:I said, I don't think that this section where you talked about your friend and the falling out you had is worth going into the episode.
Guest:And he agreed.
Guest:In fact, as you'll hear, the very last thing he says, um...
Guest:kind of leads you to the impression that he kind of just had to get this off his chest.
Guest:So here you go.
Guest:You can hear Mark talking about something that was kind of intense and upsetting, and it had just happened.
Guest:But now it's okay for you, Full Marron subscribers, to hear it and kind of know what Mark was going through at that time.
Marc:So anyway, okay, here's something that happened, and I don't even know what to make of it.
Marc:But all I can tell you is that, you know, you better...
Marc:If you got friends and they're good friends, you got to stay on it.
Marc:Don't drift because you don't know what the other person is thinking or what they're assuming.
Marc:We all have ideas.
Marc:About, you know, if a friendship feels strained and you don't know why you got to fucking communicate or else you lose a friendship.
Marc:I just had this experience where it was like this guy just stopped talking to me for years, would not tell me why, which was not great.
Marc:And I ran into him at a party.
Marc:Again, you know, I like going out, like seeing people.
Marc:Never had any fucking issue with this guy.
Marc:Never had any problem with this guy.
Marc:Always appreciated our friendship.
Marc:And I enjoyed hanging out with him and his family or whatever.
Marc:But all of a sudden, boom, nothing.
Marc:Nothing.
Marc:Would not even give me the respect to tell me why or what was going on.
Marc:And it drove me nuts because I'm like, look, man, I...
Marc:I don't care if we're even friends ever again, but let me know what this heinous transgression I did that would amount to being completely ejected from one's life.
Marc:And look, it wasn't that we were that close.
Marc:You know, I have a few best friends.
Marc:And, you know, I manage those relationships.
Marc:I stay on top of them.
Marc:You know, I keep in contact usually with some of them, with Sam, you know, at least four or five times a week.
Marc:My buddy Jerry, once a week, you know, once a week.
Marc:I have a couple of good friends like that old joke.
Marc:You know, you only you only need two good friends.
Marc:You need the main guy and the guy you go to when you drain the main guy.
Marc:And, you know, you nourish and take care of those relationships.
Marc:Protect them.
Marc:Stay open.
Marc:Now, I don't think this dude was like, you know, I certainly wasn't in his, you know, two guy rotation.
Marc:He wasn't in mine, but we were friends.
Marc:He showed up for me, you know, during the pandemic and during my grief.
Marc:But the fucked up thing is like just completely, you know, shut out.
Marc:And I knew it was only a matter of time.
Marc:But finally, I go to this party and he's there with his wife.
Marc:And I'm like, what's going on?
Marc:You're going to shake my hand.
Marc:Where are we at?
Marc:And he said, yeah, you want to talk about it?
Marc:I'm like, yeah, I do.
Marc:Yeah, I'd just like to know what's up.
Marc:And it just was one of these things where he just looked right in my face and said, you are the worst friend ever.
Marc:with malice and then he explained something to me about like granted so okay so i can be a little selfish but i didn't know that that was the nature of our friendship that we were that tight uh and i certainly did have no no fucking malice or hard feelings about anything and then he told me like what was more at the core of it which was this this moment that
Marc:That happened at a dinner here at my house where there were a few people at where he had decided that somehow or another I was manipulative and that, you know, I was in cahoots with another friend of mine to sort of swag him or take him down a notch or something.
Marc:And I can tell you with a with full transparency, nothing not true.
Marc:So this is the point is that, you know, now I have this fucking, you know, this friendship that is no longer not even in a casual way because of a misunderstanding that was never communicated.
Marc:And it's painful.
Marc:And I got emotional and I was upset about it.
Marc:But, you know, you get to a certain point with these relationships in your life as you get older and you don't think you're going to have to deal with this kind of shit.
Marc:I'm 60.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, and it was like, but you get you get to this point with these things where, you know, you get to if something grows, if something festers and I've been on the other side of it where it's not communicated or maybe maybe maybe it is.
Marc:But then it's irreparable.
Marc:And I've been the guy that's, you know, cut people out of my life and I've been cut out of people's lives.
Marc:And obviously I've been broken up with by people and I've broken up with people.
Marc:That's a different type of relationship.
Marc:But, you know, as you get older, it does get a little heavier emotionally in terms of like, really?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:This is happening.
Marc:So now this, like this thing that I had no control over that turns out was not real is, you know, that's, that was it.
Marc:Now that's a friendship gone.
Marc:And obviously, as we get older, you know, you look back and you see a lot of friendships have come and gone.
Marc:But Jesus Christ, it's the holiday season.
Marc:If you've got good friends, you know, make sure they know that you're there and you're there for them.
Marc:And if there's tension, figure out what it was, because it's sad to lose friends, especially when you only got a few as you get older.
Marc:It's one thing if they die.
Marc:You know, it's got nothing to do with you, I would hope.
Marc:But Jesus Christ, the whole thing was emotional.
Marc:Fucked me up for a few days, but I'm okay now.
Marc:And I can let it go.
Marc:I can let it go.
Guest:Yeah, he can let it go.
Guest:He did in that moment.
Guest:And that was exactly, you know, kind of what he needed to do to get it off his chest.
Guest:So I'm glad that we can actually play that for you here, despite the fact that we thought better of using it in the actual episode.
Guest:OK, last thing here is another thing that was like maybe better off that we don't have this in the episode.
Guest:And this was from the Matt B. Davis conversation, which I know generated a lot of discussion for the stuff that was actually in the episode.
Guest:This is something I took out because I knew that it's the type of thing people would take out of context.
Guest:They'd make headlines about it.
Guest:And frankly, it just wasn't necessary for the conversation.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But it also is interesting.
Guest:I think if you're the type of person who listens to a lot of WTF episodes, it's Mark and someone else just having a conversation about the Jerry Seinfeld episode that he did in the past.
Guest:And yeah, you've heard me talk about this before.
Guest:I don't feel the need for us to rehash the Jerry Seinfeld episode over and over and over again.
Guest:I think a lot of that episode is much better left for people to come to their own conclusions about it.
Guest:But here with somebody asking Mark about it, they talked about it.
Guest:I felt like it would very easily get turned into a headline that says, you know, Mark Maron says Jerry Seinfeld doesn't respect me or whatever.
Guest:And that's not necessary.
Guest:But it is nice that we can let you hear it here on The Full Marin.
Guest:And so this was from the last episode of 2023, Matt B. Davis, episode 1499.
Guest:Can I ask you something?
Guest:What?
Guest:I re-listened to the Jerry Seinfeld thing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, you know, that was right around the time, right, for you.
Guest:And so, like, you did get breaking up.
Guest:You broke up a little when you were talking to him.
Guest:He's the first interview after Linda.
Guest:Right, right.
Guest:But so you were breaking up at one point because you started talking about, I think, Shandling maybe.
Guest:And I just imagine, like, was he horribly awkward in that moment?
Guest:It was over Zoom, but I just can't imagine he was going to comfort you.
Guest:No, he's just like he is no matter what.
Marc:But he knew going in.
Marc:So he behaved properly.
Marc:But emotionally, there was no, you know, there was just sort of like,
Marc:Yeah, I know.
Marc:You know, like it wasn't you know, I wasn't really expecting that from him.
Marc:No, I know.
Guest:I just thought, God, this has to be so awkward.
Guest:I think he was polite.
Guest:And then you seemed you seemed like you're saying it's are you saying it's all a ruse?
Guest:Like underneath that, he's some angry motherfucker.
Guest:Is that what you were trying to like get to when you're like trying to pry it out of him and he wouldn't go there or whatever?
Guest:I don't know if I'd call it a ruse any more than any other comic is either sad or angry.
Guest:So I don't know if ruse... And he admitted it.
Guest:He did say, yes, it comes from this frustrating, angry place.
Guest:But you said, maybe in the intro, you said there's like a phoniness about it.
Marc:Well, no, I just think that his ideas and the weird line he toes around the principles of what comedy is and isn't, I think is a little ridiculous.
Marc:And when he says, like, I've never learned anything from a comic...
Marc:You know, it's like, all right.
Marc:So he's got this way of thinking about comedy, which is fine.
Marc:And him and I are very different comics, I believe.
Marc:And he knew that.
Marc:So, like, I don't think it's a ruse.
Marc:But I do think that...
Marc:Maybe there was no way for him, or he had no desire, to express his emotional life.
Marc:I choose to do that.
Marc:So I don't think it's a ruse.
Marc:I think it's a choice.
Marc:His, obviously, was much more profitable and entertaining.
Guest:I live the life I live.
Guest:Do you think you'll be in a car getting coffee?
Guest:Never.
Guest:He'll never ask you?
Guest:No, I don't think he has any respect for me as a comic.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Why did he come on the show then?
Marc:Because I think he had something.
Marc:I think enough people had asked him about it.
Marc:I think he knew other people that did it.
Marc:I'm friends with Tom Papa, who opens for him.
Marc:And at some point, Tom had said, would you ever do Marc Maron's show?
Marc:And I think Jerry said, why?
Marc:And I don't really think I'm on his radar as a comedian.
Marc:You think he has no respect for you?
Marc:I do not think he does as a comedian.
Guest:Interesting.
Guest:I know he hates Bobcat, but I can't see why he would.
Guest:Well, that's personal, isn't it?
Guest:Apparently.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, look, I know that I'm doing the best comedy I can do, and it does well for the people that like me.
Marc:But I don't think he... There's an upper echelon of comics that perform big show business, and he seems to gravitate towards them more.
Marc:The big show business people.
Marc:Because I think he sees that's what the job is.
Marc:That's his idea of it.
Marc:If you're not doing it at the level he's doing it, or in that world, that you're not succeeding.
Right?
Guest:Interesting.
Guest:I always thought it seemed like in the later seasons of that show, it was just they got comics that they thought people would want to see, but not necessarily.
Marc:Well, maybe that's true, but I don't know that he necessarily feels comfortable talking to me.
Marc:I think he likes to have comics in that car that make him laugh, and I don't know if I'm that guy, even though I can make everybody laugh.
Marc:My Eddie Murphy interview, that first beat with Eddie Murphy was the best.
Marc:The steak restaurant?
Marc:The best.
Marc:That, like, it just, like, because, you know, it opened the whole goddamn thing up.
Marc:Well, you're actually pretty good at interviewing.
Marc:But I'm pretty quick as a comic.
Marc:You know that, yeah, interviewing's fine, but he could have been serious the whole time.
Marc:Had I not busted him up like that.
Marc:You think he would have held more back?
Marc:I earned his fucking respect.
Marc:You think he would have held more back?
Marc:Well, I just don't think he would have been funny guy.
Marc:I got funny Eddie.
Marc:Good job.
Marc:He's not always funny when he talks.
Yeah.
Guest:That'll do it for producer cuts for this month.
Guest:And that's all the producer cuts from 2023.
Guest:When we're back next month for producer cuts, it's going to be all this stuff I had to cut out of the shows from January.
Guest:So stay tuned for that.
Guest:Thanks for being here on The Full Marin.
Guest:And we'll see you later this week.