BONUS Producer Cuts - Paul Giamatti, Jacqueline Novak and more from January
Guest:How's it going, Full Marin listeners?
Guest:This is Brendan, the producer of WTF, and I'm here for the January producer cuts.
Guest:But before we get into that, I'll just explain a little bit for you why it's such a busy week here on WTF.
Guest:I know Mark mentioned this on the Monday episode with Mark Ruffalo, but I can give you a little more detail.
Guest:We have to do three episodes this week.
Guest:And that's essentially because we had a lot of Oscar nominees come through WTF in the past month, past few weeks.
Guest:And we have to give them all air dates before February 27th.
Guest:That is the final date for Oscar voting.
Guest:And here's the thing, like we always try to accommodate air dates for guests when they're coming on to promote something.
Guest:And it turns out that WTF is kind of well regarded in the industry as
Guest:as a place for Oscar campaigns.
Guest:That's just because a lot of people from the industry listen to the show.
Guest:And so it's thought of as a good place to have exposure for Academy members.
Guest:And that's a good thing for us.
Guest:Not only flattering, it's good for business.
Guest:It's good for the profile of the show.
Guest:It's all good news all around.
Guest:It's also great because Mark likes movies.
Guest:He sees the Oscar movies almost every year.
Guest:He has a lot of respect, not just for actors, but for the craftspeople behind the award.
Guest:I am so thrilled that we got Rodrigo Prieto, the cinematographer for Killers of the Flower Moon, where he is nominated.
Guest:for best cinematography also the cinematographer for barbie which is just so great being the dp of both of those films but also just a fantastic cinematographer real visionary artist and i love that we can have that kind of conversation amidst other uh great nominees like lily gladstone who will be on next week's show mark ruffalo america ferrara this week uh really happy that this happens once a year and
Guest:And we're happy to lean into it.
Guest:So that just means you get more WTF this week, which includes your bonus episodes today and Friday.
Guest:And we're going to do producer cuts right now, jumping right off here with something I cut from the Paul Giamatti episode, episode 1500, two things actually.
Guest:And both of these things wound up being a little repetitive due to the proximity of other episodes.
Guest:There's Mark talking about Paris, Texas with Paul, which was like
Guest:You know, just recently he had talked about it with somebody else.
Guest:I felt like it was redundant.
Guest:And then also Mark talking about his performance into Leslie, which was a major part of the episode prior to this episode 1499 with Matt B. Davis.
Guest:for much different reasons, if you've listened to that episode.
Guest:And I just thought back to back, it was tough to hear the story all over again and not immediately think of the contention that came up in the Matt B. Davis episode, but divorced from that and removed from the proximity of the other episodes.
Guest:I like this stuff with Paul Giamatti and Mark just talking about Paris, Texas, talking about Mark's performance in Two Leslie.
Guest:It's a lot of fun, and I'm glad that we can bring it here for you.
Marc:Have you seen it recently?
Guest:No, I haven't seen it since it came out.
Guest:What do you think it's about?
Guest:I just know it's Harry Dean Stanton talking for a half an hour in a room.
Guest:That's all I remember.
Guest:And Harry Dean Stanton in the desert.
Guest:It's a guy who wanders out of the desert.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:And that's all I remember.
Guest:He gives a huge monologue.
Marc:That's all I remember.
Marc:All those scenes, right?
Marc:Well, they're the scenes in the peep show.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I forgot about that.
Guest:But that's the whole story.
Marc:like like is he finding a woman that he knows no he's he always he knew where she was oh okay but the thing is like you know i remember the walking through the desert it's beautiful harry dean stent dean stockwell you know like you know like it was very you know it was kind of like a an amazingly gorgeous movie and then when it got to that part in the peep thought peep show i thought like why is there a sam shepherd play in the middle of this movie yes and i detached
Marc:from it but that's where he unloads the entire narrative yes and that's the part of the movie that i didn't register at all of course not no same thing to me that just seems like this blur of weirdness beautiful weird that's right but i remember nothing else about it but that's where he he says like you know you find out what happened the reason he was in the desert he was married to this younger woman who he had a child with and he was a drunken jealous crazy man and she set him on fire you
Marc:She set him on fire and he walked away.
Guest:It's a whole fucking thing.
Guest:No idea.
Guest:I have to watch it again.
Guest:I had no idea.
Guest:I did an accent recently.
Guest:Did you?
Guest:What kind of accent did you do?
Guest:No, I'm intrigued.
Guest:Did you train with it and stuff?
Marc:Did you see two Leslie with Riceboro?
Marc:No.
Marc:Oh, with that.
Marc:Yeah, I was in that.
Guest:Were you like a Texas guy or something?
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:I was in that.
Marc:Texas or something.
Marc:I guess I would be probably the second lead in that movie.
Marc:Oh.
Marc:And I didn't want to do it.
Marc:Really?
Marc:No, because the director kept bothering me.
Marc:I'm like, there's a million guys.
Marc:This has always been my thing.
Marc:It's like, there's a guy who could do this in his sleep.
Marc:There's another guy.
Marc:Go find the fucking tech.
Marc:Much better.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Find the actual guy from Texas.
Marc:What's that guy's name?
Marc:John Hawks.
Marc:Isn't he available?
Marc:You're the poor man's John Hawks.
Marc:You're the second string John Hawks.
Guest:I can see that actually.
Marc:I'm like, who turned this down?
Marc:But he talked me into it and it was still COVID.
Marc:I was still in a lot of grief over some loss and nothing was going on.
Guest:Oh my God.
Marc:And he convinced me that I was the guy for the part.
Marc:But no, so I met with... But the funny thing was is I just interviewed James Caan.
Marc:And so I did a deep dive into his work.
Marc:And these movie stars, like real movie stars, at some point they try to act.
Marc:And some of them are good at it.
Marc:But there's an old movie, The Rain People.
Marc:Do you know that Coppola movie?
Marc:Great movie.
Guest:Love that movie.
Guest:It's great.
Guest:Duvall and Shirley Knight.
Marc:And then there was a couple other Westerns where he tries to do an accent.
Marc:And I'm like...
Marc:He's not doing it that great.
Marc:It's not good.
Marc:And it's okay.
Marc:He's still James Caan.
Marc:So I'm like, I'm going to try then.
Marc:Not that I'm James Caan, but whatever.
Marc:No one's going to see this movie.
Marc:I love that.
Marc:Yeah, okay.
Marc:But the funny thing.
Marc:Then everybody saw that movie.
Marc:Exactly.
Guest:Now, did you get like a dialect coach or anything?
Marc:Yeah, I got a good dialect coach.
Marc:Because I told the director, I'm like, I can't do the accent.
Marc:And he's like, don't worry about it.
Marc:But then I'm like, well, if I want to do this acting thing, I got to try.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:Because if I don't, then it's just what am I doing?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:You know, I agree.
Marc:I agree.
Marc:And so I got it was the funniest thing because I met with this dialogue.
Marc:She goes, we're going to do Lubbock.
Marc:And I'm like, OK, you bet.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And she goes, there's really no Texas accent.
Marc:But Lubbock, I think.
Marc:Is what you think of as a Texas accent.
Marc:Well, no, no.
Marc:Oh.
Marc:It was just, there's a variety.
Marc:I didn't know what she was saying.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But she sent me links, right?
Marc:Sure.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:There's going to be a ton of that shit.
Marc:But you'd be surprised, though, what happened was.
Marc:And I always tell the story expecting people to be really, like, it's hilarious.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But it never lands.
Marc:But no pressure on you.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:So I click a link and it's just this weird kind of like, you know, in-house Grammy Award interview with Mac Davis.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Fantastic.
Guest:Amazing.
Guest:She's like, that's the guy.
Guest:That's the guy.
Guest:Mac Davis.
Guest:So you sit and listen to Mac Davis for a while and then you just imitate Mac Davis.
Marc:Well, she gave me the sheet of how to pronounce it.
Marc:So you make your choices and lay it.
Marc:in yeah and you know you do the best yeah i learned something about film acting is that like you know it's like you only got to do the accent for about a minute and a half and then you can lose it and people will be like yeah you can just load up and then get get in give people a taste of it and then you don't need to worry about it you gotta yeah with each shot
Marc:That's the weird thing.
Marc:That's why I could never lock into the film acting thing because it's like, all right, you do your five minutes and it's like, all right, just go the trail or it'll be 45 minutes to nine hours.
Guest:No, I know.
Guest:I know.
Marc:But the thing is, is like if you show up for the three, the three minutes.
Marc:Great.
Marc:And then load up again, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:No, totally.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So that way, I think I did all right.
Marc:I'm sure you did.
Marc:Well, Andrea Riceboro is a fucking, you know.
Marc:Great actress.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And my buddy Steve Brill saw the movie, and he knew I was in it, but I don't come into like the second, third, and he's watching it, and he's going like, oh, my God.
Marc:Mark, what's Mark going to do?
Marc:No, but then he was into it.
Marc:But then he said, you did good.
Marc:It must have been like being in the ring with Tyson.
Guest:Did it?
Guest:Yeah, but was it intense?
Marc:No, I didn't register.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Because I talked to so many people.
Marc:I didn't register.
Marc:I knew I was there to support her both on and off screen, and it made sense for the character.
Marc:I knew it was her movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But did you feel like the accent actually helped you as an ad?
Guest:Were you like, now I really am acting.
Guest:Now I really am this guy.
Guest:I sound like Mac Davis.
Marc:No, I was proud to have tried.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, I don't know if I, I don't know about the full immersion thing.
Marc:Like I do all the work I'm supposed to do.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:You know, I did another little thing as a guy who had a Swite Chicago thing.
Marc:I tried to do that.
Marc:But I noticed all, most people who do accents in movies, it doesn't hold usually.
Guest:it can be really dicey yeah it comes and goes a little bit comes and goes for the most part okay next thing was from mark's monologue in episode 1502 with greta gerwig i needed to find some time to cut out of this monologue and this was mark talking about something that kind of bookended his uh night at largo was a night where adam sandler showed up and
Guest:It was just generally a lot of big stars and celebrities.
Guest:And Mark was talking about his kind of changing attitude toward doing shows with people who were big stars and how he had adjusted to it.
Guest:And I like this thing in here, but at the time, I just needed to cut it.
Guest:And I think it's kind of perfect for people like yourselves who are Mark fans and know Mark's history and know sometimes how obsessed he gets about food.
Guest:So this is about Mark making a Moroccan dip.
Guest:This kind of bookended his discussion about the night at Largo, although I'm just going to play it for you in full here.
Guest:Just know that he was intent on making this dip and it turned out to have a nice little coda on the Largo story.
Marc:But anyways, the day unfolds like I get, you know, I'm off the nicotine.
Marc:I'm going nuts.
Marc:I'm loopy.
Marc:I decide I want to make this this.
Marc:I don't know if it's Persian or Moroccan, but it's a it's a it's a dish called muhammara.
Marc:I think it's some sort of walnut dish, a spread.
Marc:And I'm like, I'm obsessed with it, even though like it didn't have to happen immediately.
Marc:But I just got hung up.
Marc:You know, I went and bought the red peppers and then I'm about to make it.
Marc:It's 530.
Marc:I got to pick up kit at 715 to go to Largo.
Marc:And I'm like, I'm like, I got to make this dip.
Marc:And then I didn't have some of the ingredients.
Marc:I knew pomegranate, pomegranate molasses, pomegranate molasses.
Marc:What the fuck?
Marc:So then I end up going like, you know, I'm like, I'm obsessed because I'm, I'm off the nicotine and I need something to give my life purpose.
Marc:And it's going to be this goddamn spread.
Marc:So I know I live in Glendale.
Marc:I'm going to, I'm going to go to the Armenian John's.
Marc:You don't go to Vons.
Marc:You don't go to Ralph's.
Marc:You go to John's down on Glen Oaks.
Marc:It services the Persian and Armenian and Lebanese community, all the communities that are not here.
Marc:And when you go to these places, it's like traveling.
Marc:It's like, you know, I just landed in a different place with different food stuff.
Marc:So I go to John's and of course they have pomegranate molasses.
Marc:And of course, it's like the entire community of people that go there.
Marc:It's exotic to me, you know, getting that, you know, just looking at people that clearly come from the old country, whatever old country that might be.
Marc:So I get my pomegranate molasses.
Marc:And of course, I'm looking around and I pick up some barbari bread.
Marc:I don't know what that is.
Marc:Persian flatbread looks yummy.
Marc:And then I pick up some, why not get some harissa?
Marc:But get the real shit.
Marc:Get the taza, Tunisian harissa.
Marc:So now I've got some Persian flatbread.
Marc:I've got some pomegranate molasses.
Marc:I've got some taza harissa.
Marc:I get home and it's like I got a roast of peppers.
Marc:It's getting late and I just can't.
Marc:I can't get it all together, but I do have some Barbari bread with some olive oil and Malden salt and some Carissa.
Marc:I just went on an international adventure that I didn't even know was going to happen.
Marc:Then I got to go do the gig.
Marc:So anyways, all I'm thinking about is making that dip.
Marc:I got to get that dip done.
Marc:Why?
Marc:Because I got the stuff and I already roasted the peppers.
Marc:I got the pomegranate molasses.
Marc:Let's go.
Marc:Bottom line though, needed to finish making that dip.
Marc:So I got home at 1130 and I just, I made the Muhamara.
Marc:I don't even know if I'm pronouncing that right.
Marc:And it was fucking amazing.
Marc:So after that full arc of celebrity and excitement, I was home by myself and
Marc:dipping big pieces of Barbari Persian flatbread into this muhammad walnut dip.
Marc:And it was fucking, that was, that was the whole night.
Marc:That was, that was the payoff was the dip.
Guest:OK, so now if you remember episode 1505 with Jacqueline Novak, you might remember that Mark had her come back so he could talk to her more directly about her special.
Guest:And when they did that, I really had to find a lot of space to cut just to get the episode down to like a manageable length, especially because the first part was kind of ambling.
Guest:They really had like a kind of chit chat that didn't take a lot of shape until that second part.
Guest:And so I cut a lot from it.
Guest:And I thought this might actually turn into a WTF bonus extra.
Guest:Like we just do an extra with Jacqueline Novak.
Guest:But ultimately, this was about 18 minutes.
Guest:I'd like it to be another 10 minutes long if I'm going to turn it into a full bonus episode.
Guest:But instead, I'm just going to let this play out here.
Guest:This conversation with Jacqueline Novak, which went all over the place.
Guest:It was, you know, really just kind of like Mark and another person talking about whatever's on their mind.
Guest:It was worth cutting it out, but also worth bringing it to you now as a longer presentation.
Guest:I'm excited to talk to you.
Guest:I adore you.
Guest:I didn't know that.
Guest:I always have.
Marc:You know, I had built it in my head that you had a problem with me.
Marc:That was my fictionalization.
Guest:You are joking, right?
Marc:No.
Marc:I decided somehow... That's hysterical.
Guest:Not at all.
Marc:Because I think what happened was...
Marc:Like, I kept meaning to go to your show.
Guest:Oh, totally.
Guest:No, then you start to, like, I get that.
Marc:Yeah, and then, like, I was asking Flanny, like, do you know her?
Marc:And then you're telling me I do know you.
Marc:And then I'm like, she doesn't want to do my podcast.
Marc:I decided.
Marc:Yeah, I decided that.
Marc:And I decided that, you know, because I hadn't come to, I made a whole thing.
Guest:Yeah, I don't care about the coming to stuff.
Guest:I just don't.
Marc:It was all made up.
Guest:Yeah, I don't care about.
Marc:I was mad that I didn't.
Marc:Well... Because you ran the thing forever.
Guest:Right, right.
Marc:Almost like... It was almost like, how did I not see it?
Marc:I was there on the day after.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:You know?
Guest:Yeah, like there's no excuse not to see it.
Guest:But I also don't go to things.
Guest:I'm shocked anyone goes to anything like...
Guest:I don't either.
Marc:Yeah, I don't go to much.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I'd like to, but I'm doing comedy all the time.
Marc:Like tonight, I'm doing a thing.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I'm going to a thing.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I'm going to go see Paris, Texas.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:At the Egyptian.
Guest:Ugh.
Marc:And Vim Vendors is talking after.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:I went to, Chris and I went to a thing at the Academy Museum, JFK.
Guest:It was like an editor's, it was JFK, Oliver Stone's there.
Marc:The movie?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It was a different cut, like longer?
Marc:Like nine hours?
Yeah.
Guest:Well, it was very interesting because, I mean, he literally was sitting, like, two rows behind us.
Marc:Oliver Stone?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The crumpled little man that he's become?
Guest:Yeah, and it was like, we're going, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Okay, I just want to make sure before, like, if my tone sort of— Before you turn the juice on, like, my juice is on.
Guest:We're going.
Guest:And you notice there's, like, a little quality to it where you're like, she thinks we're—she thinks she's seducing people right now.
Guest:We haven't done anything.
Marc:We're not turning it on yet.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:No, we're on.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:No, but he was behind us and it was sort of like, one, aware of the posture of my own body with the director behind me.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Kind of like, like I actually felt myself trying to sort of make sure that my posture suggested that I understood and agreed that Oswald was a patsy.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:You know, like I was kind of like, I didn't want to accidentally be like, you know, like shaking my head suspiciously.
Guest:Like I was almost like, damn right.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:Like...
Guest:Obviously.
Guest:Obviously.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But I heard him right as the lights were going down.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:It was so cool.
Marc:You heard Oliver Stone say, like, that woman in front of me really got it.
Marc:I could tell by the back of her head that she was locked in.
Guest:You know, like, this belief, also a director, like...
Guest:Like that they have an eye that like they're going to see something in you somehow.
Guest:Like almost like is he going to recognize a little special something in me on the way out?
Guest:Like I felt like I glanced at him almost like.
Guest:But I heard it.
Guest:Sorry.
Guest:I'm not even.
Guest:I'm a big interrupter.
Guest:But you'll get back.
Marc:I'll counter interrupt.
Marc:What?
Guest:Please do.
Marc:We're Jews.
Guest:Which is part of the conversational style.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I think so.
Guest:But others don't understand and it's a poor.
Marc:It took a long time for people to get used to it on this show.
Marc:They're like, why don't you just let your guests talk?
Marc:Because it's my show.
Marc:I'm talking.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I'll do some talking.
Marc:But it's interesting that you have these tendrils that are just these extensions of your insecurity that are just feel... Like I have it too, where you're kind of like, you're putting this thing out there.
Marc:You're constructing.
Marc:I did it with you.
Guest:I built a relationship with you that didn't exist.
Guest:I'm so comforted to be on the other side of one of those.
Guest:Like...
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:I thought, like, you were like, fuck that guy.
Guest:No, wait.
Guest:Is it because, like, they didn't get back to you immediately?
Marc:About this?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:No, no, no.
Guest:Because I was like, oh, day passed.
Guest:Did he think?
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:No, I decided that, like, you know, this woman who's doing this one-person show at Largo thinks she's, like...
Guest:Well, tough name, first of all, one-person show, right?
Marc:No, no, I've done them, but I was sort of like, oh, she's too good.
Marc:This is like, she's in a different league than me.
Guest:No, I've been waiting.
Guest:I've been like, when will I get Maren, so to speak?
Guest:Come on!
Guest:No, no, no, like, a couple years ago, I was like, or whenever, like, my, like, depression, I put out, like, a book, I was like, I'm trying to get on Maren.
Guest:When was that?
Guest:No clue, but probably, like, 20...
Guest:16.
Marc:So, okay.
Marc:So wait, right.
Marc:You wrote a book.
Guest:I'm really bad with, um, that's like not a couple of years ago.
Marc:That's like a long time ago.
Guest:Oh my gosh.
Guest:I, the, the collapsing and expansion.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I'm no good.
Guest:No, no, no.
Marc:Killed time.
Guest:Completely.
Guest:Well, I was bad before.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Every day feels like a fucking week to me.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I think.
Guest:I have a little bit of that, or a lot of that, like, ADD, like, it's now and not now, kind of, are the two time periods.
Guest:Like, kind of like, can only sort of process now and not now, and that's, like, deadlines are really challenging.
Marc:But they're the only way I know that time's passing.
Guest:The deadline?
Marc:Kinda.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Because, you know, when you're self-employed, it's like, I didn't know what day, yesterday I didn't know what day it was.
Guest:Today I was a little off.
Guest:I regularly don't know that.
Guest:I mean, because also I think our lifestyle... It's because we live a life, a free life.
Marc:We're free.
Guest:Do you ever, yeah, go...
Guest:We built a life in order to sort of, you know, be able to do what we want.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then going almost like, wait, like, I could be, like, am I really, I'm sort of,
Marc:Floating?
Marc:Is it all real?
Guest:Yeah, well, certainly.
Guest:But just sort of, oh, shit, I could spend the day, like, if I really went for it.
Guest:Like, I could do anything in the day, but I'm still kind of just, like, getting coffee.
Marc:Oh, no.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:I got plenty of time.
Marc:And also, when I assess how much time it'll take to do things, it's always ridiculous.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Like, I can wake up at, like, 8.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And I'll be like, you know, should I go do the hike?
Marc:It's like, no, man, because you've got to be somewhere at 5.
Guest:And it's like, it's an hour.
Marc:It's two hours.
Guest:No, it's, yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:And just go do it.
Marc:I had to force myself to do things.
Guest:Okay, well, here we go.
Marc:I said today I ate oatmeal.
Marc:And then I'm like, I knew you were coming at noon.
Marc:And I don't think I did anything.
Marc:I assessed my life.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I assessed.
Marc:Overall.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Overall.
Marc:They just reopened the Vista.
Marc:Tarantino reopened the Vista.
Marc:It's great.
Guest:I haven't been there.
Guest:It's great.
Guest:I've gone past.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Because it was already kind of redone.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Like a few years.
Marc:I remember that when they redid it the first time, maybe 10 years ago, if not, I don't know when, but they, but he spaced out the seats properly.
Guest:Really?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I don't think.
Guest:They're not small ones.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:No, they're all kind of have their own zone.
Marc:He's only going to run 35 millimeter and 70 millimeter prints of new movies.
Yeah.
Marc:And so I hope he can keep getting them.
Marc:But they had good snacks, good popcorn.
Marc:I don't know why I brought that up.
Guest:No, no, I'm really into it because he's into the...
Marc:The New Beverly is kind of beat up on purpose.
Marc:He left it that way.
Marc:The seats in the New Beverly, you don't want to sit in that dip because you're going to get fucked by someone's head.
Marc:That's the only thing that bothers me about the old theaters.
Marc:Why is that dip there?
Marc:Yeah, what was that for?
Marc:I don't know, but if you sit in the dip, it's close and it's a good seat, but you're kind of fucked with the heads.
Guest:We've started sitting, are you ready?
Guest:Front row.
Marc:Really?
Guest:Almost all, even IMAX.
Guest:Now, where it's, like, insane.
Guest:Most people think it's insane.
Marc:I love going to IMAX.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But the front row seems crazy.
Guest:I know.
Guest:We've gotten into it because you kind of feel like you're in the movie alone.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And there's just no jokers distracting you.
Marc:Right.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:It's always empty, basically.
Guest:So there's no one to listen to the right.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:But if it's really empty, right, and you're sitting up front and there's, like, just another single guy in back, doesn't that drive you nuts?
Marc:Like, what's that guy into?
Guest:Oh.
Guest:That's... Well, it becomes like a triangle between you, this other person, and the film.
Guest:It's like there's three elements in the room.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so they become elevated.
Marc:I don't like it.
Marc:I've gotten... It's not even COVID-y.
Marc:I just don't want people that close to me.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Like, I was at the gym yesterday.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And, you know, there was plenty of fucking treadmills, man.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And, you know, I'd kind of separated myself from the back.
Marc:And some woman just, you know, just gets on the one right next to me with all her smells.
Marc:Oh.
Marc:And, you know, it was like, what?
Marc:I...
Marc:But can you just say, look, how come this is like.
Guest:No, and then if, you know, do you get up and sort of like make the point by then.
Guest:I almost did.
Guest:I was almost like.
Marc:But then I'm like, just, you know, kind of write it out.
Marc:And then I'm doing math.
Marc:Like, what are the odds she has a cold or COVID?
Marc:You know, how long is she going to be on?
Marc:It doesn't look like she's really in shape.
Guest:I moved at a restaurant recently.
Guest:For what?
Guest:Because someone was hacking it up.
Guest:And it was like, yeah, it was like felt like a real douche but went for it.
Marc:But like, what?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was, it was like, it was next level coughing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was, I also feel like, how do you feel about, do you enjoy like dining out a lot?
Guest:Like, I mean like in life, like not now.
Guest:Not really.
Guest:I cook a lot.
Marc:I cook.
Guest:I cook.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Marc:I cook constantly.
Guest:God, that's great.
Marc:It makes me happy.
Marc:And I've been vegan for a year.
Marc:It's fucking nuts.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:I want to hear about this so badly.
Guest:What do you mean?
Guest:No, no.
Guest:Cause I mean, the benefits.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I don't know.
Guest:I don't feel great.
Guest:And I feel like I... Well, you do sometimes see... Like, do you remember in New York, Sue N?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was like macrobiotic, right?
Marc:Or Angelica.
Marc:I've based my life on Angelica Kitchen.
Guest:Yes, Angelica.
Marc:On 12th.
Guest:Yes, and that... Sue N was a little dirtier.
Guest:Right by the NYU, right?
Yes.
Marc:That was Angelica, right?
Marc:Angelica was, like, that high-end-y, you know, kind of, like, macro place.
Marc:Sue N was a little more Asian, but also macro-y.
Guest:And Sue N was very, like, I don't know if they had carpet, but it felt like they had carpet.
Guest:Right.
Marc:There was Sue N, like, wasn't there two?
Marc:Wasn't there one on spring?
Marc:And then there was one off of university on, like, 13th?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Downstairs?
Guest:There's one still going.
Marc:That one.
Guest:The good one, like, or the kind of, to me, like, the triangle.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:You know, that one on six.
Marc:Right.
Guest:That's, like, sort of primo Sue N. But a lot of the people in there, like, don't look healthy.
Guest:Right.
Marc:No, like, I just remember a lot of glass noodles.
Marc:Like, everything had the noodles.
Guest:Yeah, I was very into it.
Guest:That's where I was into, like, I would do, like, that dark rice, like the forbidden rice that's supposed to be, like, deeply... Fermented rice?
Guest:Yeah, maybe.
Marc:Yeah, or black rice.
Marc:Yeah, that was good.
Guest:Oh, yeah, the fermented is a key factor.
Marc:Well, if you go to Angelica, somebody sent me a fan, sent me... She closed that place up, but there was a cookbook, and someone got it for me, and I use her structure to balance meals.
Yeah.
Guest:Is the essence, if you were to describe the breakdown?
Marc:I think she kind of invented the bowl.
Marc:Like the macro bowl was sort of the concept.
Marc:That's what I used to eat there.
Marc:So you get like a grain, like brown rice or quinoa.
Marc:You've got a protein, a tempeh or tofu.
Marc:You got a bean, whatever that is.
Marc:And then you've got some kind of vegetable.
Marc:And then she likes to throw a sea vegetable business in there.
Marc:Sometimes some pickled element.
Guest:Yeah, the fermented is supposed to be really good for everything.
Marc:So I kind of do that.
Marc:I kind of move around in that world.
Marc:And I make her chili pretty frequently.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Marc:It's a little labor-intensive, but it's good.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I don't know.
Marc:I feel... I think my numbers are better.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And I don't feel fucked up or weird or without energy or anything.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's awesome.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Congrats.
Guest:I'd love to do it, and I feel like...
Guest:Yeah, I'm, like, afraid I won't feel full.
Marc:Oh, no, you'll fucking feel full.
Marc:And you'll have gas a lot.
Marc:It's great.
Guest:Yeah, I guess, like, all the beans and all this.
Guest:Like, you can... It's, like, yeah, I'm just stuck in this... You'll feel full.
Guest:Stuck in this, like... I don't know.
Guest:I'm stuck in an old meat mentality.
Guest:I really like to move beyond.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And also, oddly, I think that...
Marc:The lack of meat is maybe more sensitive and empathetic to animals and to Jews.
Guest:Okay, I literally... I think this a lot, okay?
Guest:Where, like, the excuses I make as I'm sort of...
Guest:you know, like, I'd love to do it, but, like, I'm just not there yet, you know, with my food stuff.
Guest:I'm just not there to, like, you know, and da-da-da.
Guest:And I just imagine a Nazi saying it kind of, like, about a Jew.
Guest:I always do.
Guest:I'm like, how dare I, like, have cats?
Guest:Like, and then I'm eating...
Guest:We cutely call our cats pigs.
Guest:One of our cats, their name became pig, that kind of thing.
Guest:And then I'm eating pork over here.
Guest:I'm saying this one thing's cute, but I call it a pig, and then I'm eating a pig.
Guest:I was watching a pig turned last night on a TV show, and I was like, I have to move off of thinking of a pork chop as an item that... No, no, that's right.
Marc:That started to happen because I was doing these ribeyes, these bone-in ribeyes.
Guest:Me too.
Guest:Me too.
Guest:They've been huge for me.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And, like, if you really, like, one day you'll look at it and be like, oh, fuck.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:That's just ripped out of it.
Guest:It's not a cartoon.
Guest:No.
Guest:Like, you know.
Guest:No.
Guest:They don't come like that.
Marc:No, man.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Ribs.
Guest:Like, I mean, like, all of it.
Marc:It's, I'd like to make the shift.
Marc:It wasn't really a factor in making me do it.
Marc:But I think it's a byproduct of doing it is that, like, I can't, like, animals just, like, they kill me.
Marc:I watched John Wick, and I've never watched a John Wick movie.
Guest:Oh, I know.
Marc:The dog?
Marc:Dude.
Guest:It completely legitimizes and fills me with then the pleasure of John Wick's revenge throughout.
Marc:It's the best.
Marc:Just for the beagle.
Guest:Well, you know what you can't see?
Guest:I'm just saying don't see it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, wait, maybe it is.
Guest:Is it called Pig?
Guest:That movie with Nicolas Cage?
Guest:Oh, yeah, it's called Pig.
Guest:Oh, the worst.
Guest:Did you know that it was headed where it was headed?
Guest:No, I didn't know anything.
Guest:I thought there was no fucking way.
Guest:I thought it was going to be a heartwarming.
Marc:Oh, no, it was like crazy.
Marc:And those fucking drug addicts killed this pig?
Guest:Yeah, they're like, they say something horrible.
Guest:I feel, and even if it's not, you know, it's like it's not real, but it's happening somewhere.
Guest:Like, so it is.
Marc:Yeah, you didn't get the satisfaction on that one.
Guest:Like, they had an opportunity.
Marc:You didn't save the pig.
Yeah.
Guest:There was that movie, do you remember years ago, like some kind of movie.
Guest:It was kind of like clever ad.
Guest:They were like, the dog doesn't die.
Guest:Because it looked like a movie where the dog was going to die.
Guest:And like people will not show up.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:No, it's too heavy, man.
Marc:I didn't know that about John Wick.
Marc:I couldn't believe it.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I never watched a John Wick movie.
Guest:And wait, and once you got in, did you like...
Guest:Get on board for all five or whatever?
Marc:No, I just did it last night.
Guest:I don't even know what made me.
Guest:No, it's got to be the original, right?
Marc:Yeah, I think it's the first one.
Guest:He doesn't die every time.
Marc:No, I think it's the first John Wick, isn't it?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:That's the origin.
Marc:It is, right?
Guest:Yeah, definitely.
Marc:It didn't say John Wick something.
Marc:There was no colon there.
Guest:I don't know if it was the most recent one or the second to most recent one.
Guest:It was like the violence was very satisfying because it was sort of creative and not just like guns.
Guest:It kind of felt a little anti-gun.
Marc:It gets a little overwhelming, but I did want that spoiled Russian mob kid to get... I could have used a little more of his face getting blown off.
Guest:You know what I started watching?
Guest:Reacher, okay?
Guest:It's like Jack Reacher, and it's high body count.
Guest:This guy Allen Richson stars in it, and it's kind of a little revenge-y, and there's something about that narrative that is just great to watch.
Marc:Yeah, it's pretty satisfying.
Marc:I've never been a guy that did those movies, but now, I don't know, it seems like everything's closing in on us.
Guest:I've turned to them.
Marc:Why not entertain myself?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I found this sort of action movie is what I actually want most nights now.
Guest:Really?
Guest:As an emotional, like, are you able to like flip on a comedy?
Marc:Rarely.
Guest:I want to be taken away.
Marc:They're just not, but they're so rarely funny.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:The comedies.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:So they're almost like... Though I did watch Dream Scenario with Nicholas Cage.
Guest:I haven't seen yet.
Guest:I'm a huge Cage fan.
Marc:Ellie's the best.
Guest:Moonstruck?
Guest:Is Moonstruck important to you?
Marc:Yeah, sure.
Marc:Okay, yeah.
Marc:I haven't watched it in a while.
Guest:It's checking.
Guest:Yeah, it's time for a revisit.
Marc:But there's a couple of major league laughs in Dream Scenario.
Guest:Amazing.
Marc:Like...
Marc:Laughs that make whatever shortcomings the movie has.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:If you got a single real laugh out of me, are you kidding?
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:It's like the first time I saw Old School with Will Ferrell about to drink out of the beer.
Marc:When you get it to your lips, there's this moment where he's so excited about the beer bong.
Marc:It was fucking crazy.
Guest:No, and there is like...
Guest:When they capture... I mean, that is kind of like... Running down the street naked by himself.
Guest:It's very special.
Guest:I mean, like, that's a kind of comedy, like... Oh, you know what I kind of had that way?
Guest:Like, where people are... Like, I saw in the theater Thanksgiving, okay?
Guest:It came out, like, a couple months ago.
Guest:Horror.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But comedy, kind of, like, just sort of outrageous, kind of, like, humorous sort of horror that the crowd...
Guest:we were in shock.
Guest:We were like, literally laughing as one.
Guest:It was like cheering.
Guest:Like it was, it was what you dream of in the movie theater.
Marc:Really?
Marc:That's great.
Marc:I feel like we just saw one that we, that everybody was really kind of, it was an old movie.
Marc:Oh, we went to see,
Marc:The in-laws at the New Beverly.
Guest:Oh.
Marc:The original in-laws.
Guest:With Alan Arkin?
Marc:Peter Falk and Alan Arkin.
Guest:Yes, okay.
Marc:And there were so many people, because at the New Beverly, the guy will ask, how many people haven't seen this?
Marc:And so many people, and it was like, did they start seeing this for the first time?
Guest:Yes.
Marc:And when the laughs happen organically in a movie?
Guest:Oh, my God.
It's great.
Guest:Okay, one final thing before we go.
Guest:I had to thin out Mark's discussion of his San Francisco trip recently.
Guest:This was on episode 1507 with John Cryer.
Guest:I just needed to get to the point a little faster, but I did think I had cut out some more stuff, which is not going to make it into producer cuts.
Guest:We're just kind of odds and ends here and there, trimming, trimming, trimming.
Guest:But I did like this little story.
Guest:about internet cafes and the early days of the internet.
Guest:And that's one of the great things about having the producer cuts.
Guest:It can kind of restore these things that otherwise would get cut for time or redundancy.
Guest:This is pretty amusing.
Marc:I guess I'm going to go check it out.
Marc:Jack might do a piece on me for something where we go around to...
Marc:to all of the old places I used to go when I lived in San Francisco.
Marc:San Francisco was the first place I got on the internet.
Marc:It was the first place I got in a chat room.
Marc:When would that have been?
Marc:In like 90?
Marc:They had, they put, I remember this pretty well.
Marc:Because they didn't really have it on the computer in any efficient way.
Marc:But all the coffee shops, many of them in San Francisco, had these consoles where you could pay money and log in into these chat rooms.
Marc:It was specific to whatever that company was.
Marc:But there were different people, different coffee shops.
Marc:And these chat rooms, you can just jump in.
Marc:I don't even know if they were rooms.
Marc:It was just one thread of conversation.
Marc:And it was the first time where I got, I don't know what you call it.
Marc:I wouldn't call it catfish, but I thought I was talking to some person that wasn't that person.
Marc:It was a character they were doing.
Marc:And it turns out this weird dude was doing three or four different characters on the chat.
Marc:And I felt so fucked up about it and weird and betrayed, especially because this dude was like kind of one of these, he reminded me of like a,
Marc:San Francisco was filled with, you know, whatever the crashing wave of the 60s and then, you know, into like the weirdo 70s and 80s.
Marc:Research labs were there and just these anarcho kind of nihilistic, intelligent people around.
Marc:It was a freak show there.
Marc:But I couldn't believe it was that guy.
Marc:And it just, I felt so... What's the word I want?
Marc:What's the word I want?
Marc:I just felt somehow... I guess it's not really... Well, betrayal is one thing, but I didn't really know the guy.
Marc:I just felt...
Marc:Used, maybe?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:It fucked me up.
Marc:It still fucks me up now talking about it.
Marc:And this was just a public chat port.
Marc:It's weird, dude.
Marc:But that was the first time that happened.
Marc:It was at the Muddy Waters Cafe.
Marc:I think it was on Valencia.
Marc:I definitely had some brain activity in San Francisco for the year or so I was there.
Marc:That city's a trip.
Marc:But I've heard it's kind of broken down.
Marc:But, you know, what cities haven't?
Guest:Right?
Guest:All right, that'll do it for this month's producer cuts.
Guest:Thanks again for being here and stick with us all week.
Guest:You got an episode tomorrow, Thursday, and then back here on the full Marin for the Friday show.
Guest:Great stuff.
Guest:And we'll have more producer cuts next month.
Guest:Everything that we had to cut out of the shows for February.
Guest:Until then, take care.
Guest:We'll see you soon.
Amen.