BONUS Producer Cuts - Bobby Lee, Lily Gladstone and Marc's monologues from February
Guest:Hey, Full Marin listeners, it's Brendan.
Guest:How are you?
Guest:This is another round of producer cuts and everything you're going to hear in this episode is stuff that I had to cut out of the shows in February.
Guest:But before we get to that, I do want to ask something of you, Full Marin people.
Guest:This is something that I think you can help us out big time with, and you will get something in return.
Guest:If you scroll down right now to the episode description, you will see that we have a link there for the next Ask Mark Anything episode.
Guest:And here's what I'd like to try.
Guest:I want for this next Ask Mark Anything, I want to just get questions from you, the Fulmarin people.
Guest:And I'll tell you why.
Guest:We usually do a solicitation for these on the main show, and Mark puts it on his socials, and we get a lot of questions, great questions, but I would say I am seeing an increasing amount of repetitive questions.
Guest:And I think that's because, obviously, anyone can send them in.
Guest:And, you know, someone just clicks on a Twitter link or an Instagram link, they can ask a question.
Guest:They might not be full Marin subscribers, and therefore, they don't know what's already been talked about.
Guest:So I'd like to see if we can thin that out.
Guest:And this way, we get questions that are specific to you, the subscribers, who are going to be the ones hearing these episodes.
Guest:And it's a win-win for everyone.
Guest:So listen...
Guest:Go to the episode description, click on that link, and ask Mark anything that you want to ask.
Guest:Anything you can think of, anything that he maybe hasn't addressed, whatever it is, whatever you can think of.
Guest:And so let's try it this way.
Guest:If it works, it works, and we'll do it again this way.
Guest:If not, we'll go back to asking everyone in the world to send their Ask Mark Anything questions in.
Guest:Okay, now on to producer cuts.
Guest:If you've been here before, you know what we do.
Guest:We listen to the things I had to cut out of episodes for particular reasons.
Guest:This isn't just random outtakes.
Guest:These are things that otherwise I would have kept in the show, but I had a reason to take them out.
Guest:And this is why.
Guest:So let's start with episode 1508, Bobby Lee.
Guest:Bobby Lee was back on the show and he and Mark had a great conversation, very loose conversation that Mark tends to have with his comedian friends.
Guest:And at one point, this veered into shop talk.
Guest:It's very engaging.
Guest:It's very fun.
Guest:But it's very specific.
Guest:It's specifically about places in L.A., the Ice House, other spots around town, about bringer shows.
Guest:And maybe you'll be very interested in that.
Guest:I do think it's kind of interesting myself.
Guest:But I think for the audience in general, we didn't need to take this detour.
Guest:So I cut it out.
Guest:And now here it is for you on the full Marin.
Guest:I don't do the improv.
Guest:You don't like the Ice House?
Marc:Do you know Ice House?
Guest:Here's what I want to say about it, because I got in trouble.
Guest:So I did it one night.
Guest:They were disrespectful.
Guest:And then I talked about it on Theo Vaughn's podcast.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then Johnny Buss called me apologizing.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:And I go, okay, so I want to give them a chance.
Guest:So I just want to do a message to Johnny Buss.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Right now it's a bring a room facility.
Guest:And if you want to get respected, you have to form a culture there.
Guest:Interesting.
Guest:Yeah, I agree.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:So it's like when you go to the ice house, you look at what's up and coming and you see a bunch of people you've never seen before.
Guest:And it's like Tran Tran and the Vietnam show or whatever.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And it's like a bringer show.
Marc:Well, they're all kind of bringer show.
Guest:They're all bringer show.
Marc:That's why I stopped doing the improv at a certain point.
Marc:Because there was a period there, right?
Marc:Right.
Marc:It was like all bringer shows, wasn't it?
Guest:It's pretty much a lot of it is still, yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:I mean, some of them are good.
Guest:Like, you don't do Brian Monarch?
Marc:You know why I don't do Brian Monarch?
Marc:Why?
Marc:Because he bothers me.
Marc:I know.
Marc:Like, and it's not even he's a bad guy or anything.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:But he's always sort of like, would you think about, and he's always pestering me.
Marc:And eventually, but he was the first guy I said, like, he was the guy who I said, you know, he would come get you if you were down the hall at the comedy store.
Marc:Like, do you want to do a spot for like $200?
Marc:And he would do it.
Marc:And then all of a sudden I realized, like, why are you giving me so little money?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You're asking me to do 20 minutes, a feature spot.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like if I was on the road doing a feature spot, I'd get like $400 or $500.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:This is old feature money.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:And then I got the money up.
Marc:So at least they've all come up with that.
Marc:They get $100 now.
Marc:Huh?
Marc:Features get $100 now.
Marc:A show.
Marc:That's terrible.
Marc:Yeah, it's terrible.
Marc:Maybe I think in about a week.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:But it's terrible, yeah.
Marc:But no, but I just didn't feel like they were paying properly.
Marc:But anyway, the whole thing about a guy producing a show so he can go up in the fourth or fifth spot with the same material to kill every time.
Marc:What I don't understand is where does he get those people?
Marc:It's email.
Marc:They collect emails through time.
Guest:Yeah, but don't they all know his set by now?
Guest:Yeah, but they know that he brings on great talent around him, so that's what it is.
Guest:He's not a bad guy.
Marc:He's not a bad guy.
Guest:I just don't do many bringer shows.
Guest:This is going to drive you crazy.
Marc:What?
Guest:You know they pay people differently.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Do you know what people get?
Guest:No.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Why?
Guest:Because at the improv, for instance, one night I realized...
Guest:I was getting like, because at the end, I had a set price and they give you cash there now.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Even the regular show, not even a bringer show.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And then I, I looked at a list like he, you know how they, you can sign this.
Marc:It's a regular list or a bringer show.
Marc:No, there's a Brian Marnock show.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:No, it was a regular show.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And you have to sign your name and they give you cash.
Guest:But I saw on another list, comedy names and what they get.
Guest:And I wish, and I wish I hadn't seen it.
Marc:More than you.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:No shit.
Guest:Well, I saw what Sarah Silverman got.
Guest:I saw what Patton Oswalt got.
Guest:For the same set.
Guest:For the same set.
Guest:And so I went, I need another 100.
Guest:From now on.
Guest:And they did it.
Marc:Of course they did it.
Marc:They did it.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:They'll get away with anything.
Marc:Well, that's another good thing about the comedy store.
Marc:Equanimity.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You get a piece of the door.
Marc:Everyone gets the same piece of the door in the main room, and everyone gets the same whatever it is for the OR.
Marc:What is it, like $40?
Marc:How much is the fucking OR?
Guest:I don't even know.
Marc:I don't either.
Guest:But they still allow people to bump, and we got to stop it.
Marc:It depends who they are.
Marc:There's some people I won't take it.
Marc:Remember that night where I was like, Aziz is not bumping me.
Marc:Oh, right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Yeah, and there's some bumpers there that's sort of like enough already.
Marc:Enough.
Marc:Make her call.
Marc:Yeah, but I've done everything I could.
Marc:I've called the top.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like the other night, though, I made Nate go on.
Marc:That was fine.
Marc:Nate can have a little bump.
Guest:Oh, yeah, he can do whatever he wants.
Marc:Burr's got a bump.
Marc:Yeah!
Marc:I think we know who we're talking about.
Guest:We know.
Guest:We're not doing that.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Why do you keep looking over there?
Guest:What's in there?
Guest:It's just the levels.
Guest:to sound levels okay and now we're gonna have a bunch of stuff from mark's monologues uh starting with episode 1509 with laurie kilmartin uh this was a monologue of mark talking about his trip to san francisco and
Guest:And there's two reasons I cut this out.
Guest:One, he's told this story in some form before, although I think this was a little more detailed.
Guest:But also I wanted the monologue to focus specifically on the now, the stuff he was doing now, not so much going into the past.
Guest:So I took this past story about San Francisco out, and I do think it's perfectly fine for you to hear.
Guest:And this is once again from episode 1509.
Marc:The story really with San Francisco is, you know, I was in New York.
Marc:I left LA, went to New York in 1989 and I was trying to get work in New York.
Marc:I was just kind of trying to get into the clubs, working at the original improv.
Marc:I was trying to stay sober and it was like I couldn't get into the major clubs and
Marc:I had a girlfriend at the time, Kim, who went on to become my first wife.
Marc:But she was in New York, and then she got sick and had to go home.
Marc:And then, you know, eventually we broke up.
Marc:And then, like, I was just in New York, untethered, not getting much comedy work, running up and down the East Coast to do one-nighters.
Marc:And I started to do drugs again.
Marc:I started to drink again.
Marc:And I kind of freaked out.
Marc:And I think it must have been 1992.
Marc:I just remember...
Marc:Giving away my bed to the guy across the hall who was a painter who didn't have a bed.
Marc:I remember giving away a lot of my stuff in my house, in my apartment down the Lower East Side to homeless people on the street.
Marc:That was the time where there was a lot of stuff being sold on the street all along Avenue A through Tompkins Square.
Marc:And I just whatever fit in my car, I fit into it.
Marc:And I just hit the road with a little pipe, a bag of weed.
Marc:And at that time, I, you know, there was some other drugs involved.
Marc:And I just I just started driving to San Francisco.
Marc:I had no plan.
Marc:So I get to San Francisco.
Marc:I show up at my ex-girlfriend's door after driving a 22-hour stretch to the last run.
Marc:I remember coming into this place and just showing up at her door in Potrero Hills.
Marc:She was living in a house with a bunch of other people.
Marc:The guy who owned the house was this guy, Derek, whose job was to kind of...
Marc:design and build the interiors of boats.
Marc:So this thing was at the top of Petrero Hill.
Marc:It looked like the inside of a boat, and it had windows on the back looking out over the entire city, but it felt like you were in a flying boat.
Marc:It was kind of an intense situation.
Marc:But she took me back, and I lived here for a couple years, and it changed my entire way of doing comedy, the entire way I looked at doing comedy.
Marc:But I was on and off the booze and the drugs here and there, and
Marc:And this city is a very confusing city.
Marc:I come back here.
Marc:I lived here a long time, at least a couple of years.
Marc:I don't know how to drive around this city.
Marc:It feels chaotic to me.
Marc:I had this idea in my head that this was always kind of the place where people came to figure out who the fuck they were or to define themselves on their own terms.
Marc:You know, going back to like the gold rush,
Marc:through the beatniks, through the hippies.
Marc:And I wasn't here, I got out before the tech bros came, but it always felt like a very chaotic, weird, dark city just built on some sort of ancient, weird, dark chaos.
Marc:And people came here to sort of draw from that and build their own sense of self.
Marc:So I wandered around here kind of lost in an aggravated sense of fractured self, wandering around San Francisco, drinking coffee, smoking cigarettes, doing comedy, trying to figure it out.
Guest:Okay, in the very next episode, number 1510 with John Oliver, this was after Mark had finished up his trip to San Francisco, and I was looking for stuff to thin out of the episode in general.
Guest:And this was essentially an unpaid commercial for a place that does not need it, a very large, very frequented restaurant on the route to San Francisco.
Guest:But I thought maybe you would find it interesting, particularly if you're from that part of the world and would like to frequent a place that Mark says has excellent Indian food.
Marc:I don't know what an atmospheric river was.
Marc:I never heard of an atmospheric river until maybe a year or so ago.
Marc:But now I know about atmospheric rivers.
Marc:And man, I'll tell you, they pounded it into my head so much that Sunday when I drove back down to L.A.
Marc:through the atmospheric river.
Marc:Like, I didn't know what to expect.
Marc:I didn't know if the entire Interstate 5 was going to be underwater.
Marc:I had no idea if there were going to be tidal waves.
Marc:I didn't know if it was going to be undriveable because it was raining so hard.
Marc:And you know what?
Marc:It was just raining.
Marc:It just turned out to be raining.
Marc:It was hard at times, but it was raining.
Marc:Oh, here's the other thing.
Marc:So every time I drive from L.A.
Marc:to San Francisco and back, just outside of Bakersfield, north of Bakersfield, at sort of like just an exit with a hotel, maybe a truck stop, a gas station, there's an Indian restaurant.
Marc:Taste of India.
Marc:You could see it from the highway.
Marc:And I always wondered, like, how could that be good?
Marc:Why is there an Indian restaurant just outside of Bakersfield?
Marc:So...
Marc:Then at some point, I don't remember who I was talking to, but I talked to somebody who said that there's amazing Indian food outside of Bakersfield and in Bakersfield, because I don't know if there's an Indian community, but there's a lot of Indian restaurants there.
Marc:And this guy told me it's because a lot of the truck drivers are Pakistani or Indian.
Marc:I'm like, all right.
Marc:So this is a frequented, a frequented place, which is what you need for a good restaurant turnover.
Marc:But I was driving back down.
Marc:Allie Mikofsky was with me because she decided she didn't want to take a chance missing getting her having her flight canceled.
Marc:So we were driving down.
Marc:I'm like, we got to just try this Indian place at this basically a truck stop outside of Bakersfield.
Marc:And I said, I heard it was good.
Marc:And we went and there wasn't that many people there, but it was clearly a real deal Indian place for real deal Indian people.
Marc:And
Marc:It was some of the best fucking Indian food I ever had in my life.
Marc:And I'm an Indian food snob.
Marc:And I couldn't believe it.
Marc:So I'm just giving that a strong recommendation.
Marc:If you're driving up the five, going north, past Bakersfield, look for the signs for Taste of India.
Marc:Now, it took me a long time to stop at Taste of India.
Marc:And I still never stopped at Anderson's Pea Soup.
Marc:And I don't even know if that's still open.
Marc:I heard it was closing, but it looked like it was still around.
Marc:But this Indian food was authentic and it was spectacular.
Marc:And then just on into the rain.
Guest:Next up, we have the monologue from episode 1511 with Ed Zwick.
Guest:And I thought this kind of meandered quite a bit.
Guest:In fact, it's part of a much larger section I cut out.
Guest:So like I'm actually doing an edit of a larger section that I done.
Guest:What you're hearing right now is like a cleaned up podcast.
Guest:version for the producer cuts of something I cut out in general, just because it was taking Mark a little while to to find his footing.
Guest:And I guess what you're about to hear, I could have inserted it back into the episode.
Guest:But by this point, I had just taken out this whole chunk.
Guest:So I consider this a cleaned up version of something else that was going to get thrown away.
Guest:And here you have it.
Marc:All right.
Marc:So let's get back to sports a minute.
Marc:I mean, most of you know the story.
Marc:Many of you don't.
Marc:I'm not going to tell the story about getting hit in the face with a baseball in center field.
Marc:I'm not going to do that.
Marc:I'm not going to tell the story about, you know, having a neighbor when, uh, I was like, how old was I?
Marc:16, maybe seven, eight years old, maybe nine big football fan.
Marc:So I wanted to be like him.
Marc:So I got a uniform.
Marc:I got, I got a green Bay Packers uniform and, uh,
Marc:I don't know why.
Marc:Had no connection to it.
Marc:But it had the shoulder pads and everything.
Marc:And we used to just play football, two or three of us, in our football uniforms, with shoulder pads.
Marc:Yeah, so I swam.
Marc:I was a competitive swimmer when I was very young.
Marc:Probably 12, 13.
Marc:Wasn't very good.
Marc:I did all right.
Marc:I think I had a B time in the breast stroke.
Marc:But it's just competitive sports.
Marc:Tennis.
Marc:Played tennis a bit.
Marc:My brother became a professional tennis player.
Marc:But it never stuck.
Marc:And I've said this a lot on this show.
Marc:That I think if someone had compelled me or driven me more towards sports, I would have a better sense of healthy competition if anybody has that.
Marc:of knowing how to lose, knowing how to win.
Marc:My Little League team only lost.
Marc:I never was a good enough swimmer to win anything.
Marc:Maybe I won a ribbon.
Marc:A ribbon.
Marc:Maybe I won a ribbon.
Marc:But I think it probably would have helped me out and nothing would seem so threatening.
Marc:In the world, in a way.
Marc:Or that's not true.
Marc:Or I wouldn't be competitive in my emotional and personal life.
Marc:Maybe I'd be a little less competitive.
Marc:But who's to say?
Marc:Maybe I'd be more competitive.
Marc:None of it fucking matters now.
Marc:Because we're all losing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's creeping up on you.
Marc:How are you?
Marc:As my buddy Jerry says, everybody's got something in the mail.
Marc:You got it's in the mail.
Marc:I don't want to be negative.
Marc:But, you know, you can fight the good fight.
Marc:But just know that at the end.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, see, then again, maybe if I maybe it's not losing.
Marc:Maybe it just is what it is.
Marc:God knows that's how I've had to start looking at my broken foot.
Marc:So I will say this today.
Marc:I'm going in.
Marc:to get x-rays of my foot two weeks in.
Marc:And God, I hope it's healing properly so I don't need surgery.
Marc:I've done everything I can.
Marc:I've been relatively careful.
Marc:I have not taken the boot off.
Marc:I have had to open it up to release the stench and carefully change my sock because I'm not a monster.
Marc:But I am nervous today.
Marc:Because I think if I have surgery, even if it's relatively simple surgery, like putting a screw in there, it's invasive.
Marc:And I don't know.
Marc:I don't know what happens.
Marc:Do I need crutches then?
Marc:No boot?
Marc:What happens?
Marc:God, I just hope it.
Marc:I hope I win this one.
Marc:I hope I hope that maybe not win.
Marc:I guess I had a 65 percent chance of this particular type of break where it is of healing with with just the boot and no flexing.
Marc:So we'll find out today.
Marc:It's a big day.
Marc:And I've been managing okay.
Marc:Thanks for asking.
Marc:It hasn't stopped me much at all.
Marc:There's exercise I can't do.
Marc:But that's about it.
Marc:Everything else I'm doing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Showering with the boot.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Sweeping with the boot.
Marc:Yep.
Marc:All of it.
Marc:All the personal things I do with a boot.
Guest:All right.
Guest:For this next one from episode 1512 with Devine Joy Randolph, I want you to think about this before listening to this.
Guest:Pretend you're listening to this at the very first thing you've turned on.
Guest:You've just turned on WTF for the day, and this is the first thing you're hearing.
Guest:This was before he introduced the guest, and this happens frequently.
Guest:Mark just comes in very hot.
Guest:And in particular, with this type of content, my impulse is like, yeah, let's not use this as the very first thing out of the gate.
Guest:You tell me.
Guest:This is from episode 1512, again, with Davey and Joy Randolph.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:So busy, right?
Marc:Are you busy?
Marc:I don't know how I do.
Marc:I can't differentiate.
Marc:Am I working?
Marc:Is there a difference between working, doing my laundry?
Marc:Like I'm constantly multitasking and there's no limit to it.
Marc:And it's all stuff that needs to be done, but does it need to be done now?
Marc:I don't know if I have a free minute, I'll do the thing that needs to be done.
Marc:They never stop.
Marc:I don't know how some people...
Marc:do it.
Marc:I mean, I've been self-employed almost my entire life, and I refuse to have any assistant.
Marc:I'm doing everything.
Marc:Sometimes I realize why people have assistants, because I just don't, I spread myself pretty thin.
Marc:I got like a lot of tendrils out in the world, and I also have to refill the hummingbird feeder, and I also have to water the plants, and then I have to
Marc:wash my clothes and dry them in a very specific way because I don't like using the dryer.
Marc:So there's a, I don't know why I brought up laundry twice.
Marc:Dishes.
Marc:I cook at home all the time.
Marc:Always dishes to do.
Marc:Always.
Marc:There's always a slight amount of chaos, but I noticed it's only in two rooms in my house.
Marc:And the rest, a lot of times they go untouched and I don't look.
Marc:It's fine.
Marc:I've got nothing to complain about.
Marc:I'm out here.
Marc:I'm doing this.
Marc:I did two interviews yesterday and this, which is happening today.
Marc:But I'm doing it yesterday.
Marc:And it's just it's really kind of nonstop and engaged.
Marc:And you know what?
Marc:I'll be honest with you.
Marc:Kind of thinking about, what about the rest of my life?
Marc:What happens then?
Marc:And I know the world is all closing in on us.
Marc:Environment, climate change, war, just the stench of human stupidity everywhere.
Marc:I get it.
Marc:But still, maybe that's why I do it.
Marc:Maybe that's why I don't enjoy any free time, any moment.
Marc:Because...
Marc:Why?
Marc:Why not stay engaged with what's happening now?
Marc:Why go out into the fucking future?
Marc:My brain, some of you know this.
Marc:My brain, left to its own devices, will just go to dark garbage.
Marc:I'll just go.
Marc:I'll go into a big psychic garbage dump, find a nice bat or piece of wood, sometimes a piece of psychic metal, and just stand there and go like, this will be good, and then just start beating the shit out of myself.
Marc:When does that stop?
Marc:When does it stop?
Marc:When am I not standing...
Marc:Atop a psychic garbage dump with some kind of swingable implement of, uh, of made up heft.
Marc:And just beat the shit out of myself until I get tired.
Marc:And then I wake up and I'm like, I'm all right.
Marc:And slowly as the day goes on, I just find myself, whoa, no.
Marc:I'm knee deep in garbage.
Marc:Look at that.
Marc:Everything, the world, my past.
Marc:Today, oh my God.
Marc:And then it just keeps, and all of a sudden I'm on the top of it.
Marc:Top of the mountain.
Marc:Anyway, I don't know if that's optimistic.
Marc:Put the bat down.
Marc:Put the stick down.
Marc:Put that piece of metal down.
Marc:Maybe I'll just turn this.
Marc:Let's twist it.
Marc:Let's spin it a different way.
Marc:It's time to walk down off your own mountain of psychological debris and maybe just sit in a lotus position, cross-legged.
Marc:At the bottom of your particular mountain of emotional, psychological, spiritual garbage that you let overtake you every day and take a breath.
Marc:Maybe eat something, but nothing too heavy.
Marc:Don't eat anything that's going to add to the pile.
Marc:Is this good advice?
Marc:Am I even making sense?
Guest:He said, knee deep in his own garbage.
Guest:All right.
Guest:And all the remaining stuff is going to come from episode 15, 16 with Lily Gladstone.
Guest:And this is from the monologue.
Guest:I wound up cutting this chunk out really for time reasons.
Guest:And that's because I wanted to put in a clip first.
Guest:from Mark's interview with Carol Burnett.
Guest:He had just had that interview a couple of days before, and we were asked to hold that interview until the new show she's in premieres.
Guest:And in fact, they even asked us to hold it later than the premiere of the show because apparently her character doesn't really get involved until three or four episodes in.
Guest:So that's a little too long for my liking, particularly with a very well-known guest.
Guest:I know she's going to go out there.
Guest:She's going to do other things.
Guest:She might say other things.
Guest:There might be things she says in this interview that become outdated by then.
Guest:Who knows?
Guest:I just get a little wary about holding a major guest like this for too long, but we agreed to do it as part of agreeing to do the interview.
Guest:So I wasn't going to go back on that, but I did kind of want to plant our flag because
Guest:and say, we have a Carol Burnett interview in the can, and here's some of the great stuff you'll hear in it.
Guest:So we put this clip in the introduction, which meant I took about an equal amount out of Mark's opening monologue.
Guest:And so here that is for you from episode 15, 16.
Marc:It's weird being 60 and being in New Mexico and dealing with dad, you know, who's 85, and also seeing some of my old friends.
Marc:Like, I spent some time
Marc:with my buddy Sam, Sam Howard, an old friend of mine from back in the day from high school.
Marc:We were kind of renegade spirits at all times, but he's my age, if not a little older.
Marc:I'm not sure where he's at, but you get to a certain age and you have these conversations about like,
Marc:you know, we're here.
Marc:I mean, it's one thing to kind of have the conversations, you know, this hurts, that hurts, you know, yeah.
Marc:How's your bowel movements?
Marc:How's your elbow?
Marc:What's going on with your hip?
Marc:We're not quite in that zone yet, but Sam's got it all broken down into this series of, uh, of, uh, you know, triads or trilogy or, you know, uh,
Marc:He's gotten the age thing.
Marc:He's got a big psychological theory about it, but we're in this zone where it's not that we're old, but all of a sudden you realize like, hey man, this is kind of it.
Marc:This is the beginning of it.
Marc:It's always in your brain, but when you're 60 and you're looking at a peer who's 60 and you remember that face from when you were 20, from when you were 15, from when you were 14, my buddy Dave, I've known since third grade.
Marc:And I don't know if it's sobering, and I don't know if I'm different than other people my age.
Marc:I know I am in a way, and it's sort of a liability in that, look, I've been kind of stunted in that I don't have children.
Marc:I'm not married.
Marc:My relationships have been fraught, if anything, and tragic in some ways.
Marc:But I'm kind of...
Marc:And I'm sort of up against this comedically, too.
Marc:I'm kind of in this place where, like, you know, my life has not, in terms of logistics and the immediacy of it, hasn't changed that much, you know, in a long time.
Marc:Since I was in my 40s, maybe things shifted, you know, and I started to find some success.
Marc:But because I don't have these other responsibilities, emotionally, I'm kind of stunted.
Marc:And I think I was stunted before I was stunted.
Marc:I'm stunted as a 60-year-old man because I don't have a family.
Marc:I don't have a long-term partner that I've been with forever that I can delegate stuff to or kind of have grown and enmeshed with over time.
Marc:I feel like I was on the verge of having...
Marc:a shot at that with Lynn, but that ended, you know, tragically.
Marc:But also, like, I was emotionally stunted before that.
Marc:So reckoning with this sort of frozen in a certain lifestyle and time
Marc:versus how most of my peers have lived their life or lived their life is it's a weird solitary trip.
Marc:And I don't quite know what to do with it.
Marc:I don't quite know what to do with, you know, the rest of my life.
Marc:Certain things are, you know, in terms of, you know, what I want and what I need and, you know, what has been, you know, my patterns are sort of
Marc:wearing down.
Marc:And it's an interesting time.
Marc:And I don't know if it's necessarily essentially getting old, but I think it's being at the beginning of that and having these realizations of like, well, dude, you know, what do you want to do with your life?
Marc:You know, you've worked hard.
Marc:What do you want to do with your life?
Marc:And I know a lot of you are thinking like, well, you're living the life, I guess.
Marc:But because I'm totally immersed in my dumb, you know, not my, because I'm totally immersed in my work and constantly, you know, filled with anxiety and moving through things and generating comedy and all this stuff, it kind of goes by.
Marc:And I guess that's something I have in common with a lot of people.
Marc:You get to a certain point where you're like, holy shit.
Marc:You know, how did how did this happen?
Marc:How am I here all of a sudden?
Marc:It's not all of a sudden.
Marc:And I don't necessarily think that time goes by fast, but certain days and at a certain point in retrospect, it certainly seems like it does.
Marc:You know what the fuck happened?
Marc:But look, I'm okay.
Marc:I'm not complaining.
Marc:I'm just a little weary and a little tired of myself.
Marc:And also mildly concerned about my...
Marc:This sort of like when I look at my comedy and, you know, I see what I'm talking about, you know, it is sort of from the point of view of a guy that, you know, is emotionally stunted, has lived a particular life for a very long time that most of the people his age haven't lived.
Marc:I mean, it does give me a bit of vitality to, you know, to a certain type of a person that may be like me.
Marc:But but it is, you know, I'm reflecting a bit and now I'm dealing with my old man.
Marc:You know, and he's kind of, you know, I spent a lot of time with him this trip.
Marc:And it's kind of interesting.
Marc:You know, when we first start hanging out, he's like in it.
Marc:He's in the game.
Marc:You know, we're talking, we're laughing.
Marc:And this is the first time I've spent like, you know, many, many hours with him.
Marc:You know, but by the end of the day, you know, he's exhausted and his brain checks out, man.
Marc:And he's just sort of there.
Yeah.
Marc:But, you know, I do appreciate and now I realize in a very real way the effort it takes to lock in.
Marc:And there is still sort of things, you know, that come up in conversation, you know, kind of little bits and pieces, little revelations about who he was and is that I didn't know.
Marc:And I can sort of put them into my into my my psycho emotional mill itself.
Marc:and, and figure out like, you know, well, that's where I got that.
Marc:That's where, that's why I'm like this again, not complaining is what it is.
Marc:But so, you know, the one thing about aging parents, and I've said this before is,
Marc:is after a certain point, the statute of limitations on what they should or shouldn't tell you as their child kind of wears away.
Marc:And in dementia, in that process, those filters are totally gone.
Marc:So if you're dealing with an aging parent and you're curious, the poetry of
Marc:of dementia and what that enables is is profound and you know if you if you got questions other than like what's your name how are you today uh if you have questions around the areas of why am i like this what did you do to me uh it's you know ask them
Marc:push a little bit, and sometimes you'll get a very pure, crystalline, poetic answer that'll give you a key to yourself.
Marc:You know, dementia is tragic.
Marc:Dealing with it and dealing with family members with it, it's heartbreaking.
Marc:But, you know, if you accept them for who they are now and, you know, understand what's going on, there's still a lot to be gained and engaged and sort of empathetic with.
Marc:But it's heavy, man.
Marc:I don't remember who said it, but aging, getting old is not for pussies.
Guest:All right, now there's two sections from the Lily Gladstone interview that I took out, and this first clip was, I just thought, a little too much detail about a very minimally seen film that she made called The Unknown Country.
Guest:Now, if you listened to the episode, they talked about it, and it's an important movie for Lily, and it was important for Mark to have seen it.
Guest:I just know that very few people have seen it, and so to me, this is a little alienating if you don't know the movie.
Guest:Now,
Guest:Now, okay, why don't I just toss it and throw it away and you'll never listen to it again?
Guest:Well, you're Fulmarin, people.
Guest:You want to hear all this stuff.
Guest:And maybe now if you do see the film, which I encourage everyone to do, here's some extra detail for you that you wouldn't have known before.
Guest:So that was it's actually kind of funny when I go back to the res like Lainey and her family we became close so quick that that first scene where you're seeing us all meeting the ice is melting you know they're with the kids with the kids and Jazzy pulls pulls a ton off the couch and they're just real people there.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:But that scene, we actually had to go back several months later to reshoot that scene because everything that we had from the wedding, which was their real wedding, that was the first time we all met.
Guest:It would look too familiar.
Guest:Like we just immediately were family too quickly.
Marc:You weren't aloof enough?
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:So we went back.
Guest:We were lucky enough that in the middle of May, Spearfish got a snow dump.
Guest:So it matched our footage from February.
Guest:That was just a blessing of the film gods.
Guest:Yeah.
Yep.
Guest:um but yeah that entire living room scene where we look uncomfortable with each other everybody's acting their asses off in that because it was just like so quickly you know laney would say that they did shoot some test footage early on with a wonderful beautiful actress that ultimately was kind of too young for the role and also i didn't have a driver's license so couldn't like finish a road trip without a driver's license why did you have a driver's license
Guest:She just didn't.
Guest:She didn't need one.
Guest:She was urban, public transportation.
Guest:She was from Minneapolis.
Guest:Actually, Tana, the sketch of who Tana was as a person was formed around her being in the role first for this early test footage.
Guest:She's fantastic.
Guest:She's on True Detective right now, Isabella LeBlanc.
Guest:She plays Jodie Foster's stepdaughter.
Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:And she's also the grandmother in the photos in The Unknown Country.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:That's her.
Guest:So that's how she remained from when she initially stepped in just to shoot test footage for a sizzle reel to raise money for the film.
Guest:It was Isabella first.
Guest:As the kid?
Guest:Yeah, as Tana, as my character.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:So this was before I'd come on.
Guest:But Marissa knew she wanted me after seeing certain women.
Guest:I was in a theater contract and I was a little hesitant to do a docudrama on a reservation because historically that hasn't gone well for Native people.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:A lot of times it's poverty porn.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You know, turning the real lens inside of a Native family.
Guest:But like Marissa formed a real relationship with this family.
Guest:And it was actually Laney's idea entirely to make Tana's character Native.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because Marissa was describing this sort of diaspora she felt driving through MAGA country, like this is the country I was born in, but it feels so unfamiliar and just like all the uncertainty during like the Trump era.
Guest:She was expressing that to Lainey, Bear Killer Shangri-Ou.
Guest:And Lainey's like, well, that's what it's like being native.
Guest:So why don't you make the character native?
Marc:And the interesting way she accommodated that was the never-ending frequency of talk radio.
Marc:Absolutely.
Marc:And that played against the landscape and your experience in the solitary car enabled the character and the journey to rise above it.
Marc:It was really literally chatter.
Marc:Yep.
Marc:That became, you know, it just became unimportant.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:And Marissa recorded that chatter for like three years.
Guest:That's all from the radio from her driving with a handheld recorder listening to the radio through these places.
Marc:So that was all like... I mean, I thought the journey, like, you know, when you ended up and to make it
Marc:your arrival in Dallas to be so immediately multicultural.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:Because people don't realize that about Texas.
Guest:It's a very diverse place.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:I've gone to all the cities in Texas.
Marc:And I go to Houston.
Marc:I'm like, what is going on here?
Guest:Houston is the most diverse city in the country.
Marc:It's crazy.
Marc:And it's huge.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:Ray had that experience coming into Dallas, not sure how many Korean people there would be there.
Guest:And it's like, there's a whole Koreatown in Dallas.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And a lot of East Asian.
Marc:Yep.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:In this second clip from the Lily Gladstone interview, I really I only cut it for one reason, and that was because Mark could not remember the full name and how to say the last name of cinematographer Rodrigo Prieto.
Guest:And I don't want to hang Mark out to dry on that stuff.
Guest:That's a mistake that anyone can make.
Guest:Mark's trying to keep a lot in his head at any given time, but I know he would get raked over the coals for it.
Guest:So I cut this section out and it's too bad because I found this very interesting, particularly about what Lily says, the training that she's done in terms of working in front of a camera.
Guest:I never knew that that was actual training that you did as an actor, what she calls camera training.
Guest:So really interesting stuff here and an unfortunate reason that I had to cut it out.
Guest:But I did.
Guest:And now you're going to hear it.
Marc:Yeah, I just talked to Pietro.
Guest:Yeah, Rodrigo.
Marc:My God.
Marc:My God, a few days ago.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:You know, the things that the cinematographer will do, there's no way you can see it.
Marc:You can't call it out.
Marc:The nuances of what they're doing to make their job easier.
Marc:Oh, man.
Guest:And I need it.
Guest:Yeah, I need it.
Guest:The kind of actor that I am.
Guest:I need the camera to be picking up my eye moving these three millimeters this direction because that's where you see it.
Marc:Did you have conversation with him about that?
Guest:Not specifically.
Guest:Yeah, he did.
Guest:And a lot of times and, you know, same with Chris Blauvelt when we're making Kelly's films.
Guest:Our directors on set oftentimes are another room away behind a monitor.
Marc:They're looking at everything.
Marc:Exactly.
Guest:But the cinematographer is hanging on you when it's like when you're taking up the frame.
Guest:They're your first audience, really.
Guest:And it's like they're the immediate audience.
Guest:They're feeling the temperature in the room.
Guest:They're hearing the nonverbal communication and trusting that the mics are picking it up.
Guest:But yeah, a lot of times before I could get the affirmation from Marty because he just had to travel from the monitor over and then is also watching all the other elements in the shot.
Guest:Like camera is right there.
Guest:And like, you know, Rodrigo was learning my beats and my performances as were our focus pullers, as were like A cam, B cam, all the ACs.
Guest:Like camera...
Guest:In films like this and like for me what I've found with a lot of characters I play that are very isolated or like spend a lot of time by themselves or quiet.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Their language is in the lens.
Guest:So that relationship is so tangible and it's like it's like a dance.
Marc:It's good that you know that you figured that out so quickly in a way.
Guest:I'm very grateful my mom got me into camera coaching when I was in high school.
Marc:Oh, really?
Guest:Because I was, again, like I'd done school plays enough that, you know, my classmates named me most likely to win an Oscar.
Guest:But by the time junior year rolled around, I was feeling a little stifled by only being able to do certain types of plays at high school.
Marc:No Peter Pan.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:Yep, exactly.
Marc:The famous blacklisting for the Peter Pan comment.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, that was college.
Marc:Oh, that was college?
Marc:That was college.
Guest:No, high school was more embracing, but you know, it's like you have to do musicals, you have to do comedies, you have to do, and you're like, I wanted to get into the grid of stuff.
Guest:I wanted to do black box theater.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:So I started doing college theater, but then I also did camera coaching with a woman who worked just out of her house, Colleen Patrick.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And what was the intent?
Marc:Commercials and like practical things or really just a broader?
Guest:Not really.
Guest:Just getting comfortable with cameras and auditioning and language of film.
Guest:When I was taking camera acting classes, a lot of my curriculum was just watching movies and studying performances.
Guest:And I got a really strong sense of angles, how to play the camera.
Guest:That's great.
Guest:How little it takes to say so much.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Because I think that's a transition that's hard for a lot of actors who are theater trained is like trusting that if you think it, the camera will see it.
Marc:You don't have to amplify it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You don't need to be demonstrative.
Guest:You just have to be.
Marc:That's so good because I still don't know what camera's mine generally.
Marc:when i'm on set i guess i'm focused on you exactly i don't know what's happening and i don't know if i ever noticed it until i interviewed jeff daniels and he just looks at me he goes you got to learn how to work your face he's like 90 of film acting is your face yeah and i'm like oh my god and i'm a mouth breather so my mouth's always hanging open so now i got a lot to worry about my next role
Guest:You know, Res Dogs was perfect for you then.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:That was a great Mount Brady character.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Running around, yelling, strutting around.
Guest:Okay, that'll do it for Producer Cuts this month, and we'll bring these to you again next month.
Guest:But I urge you, once again, go to the episode description and click on the Ask Mark Anything link.
Guest:Send us whatever question is on your mind.
Guest:Anything you want to ask Mark.
Guest:And we will get that on the next Ask Mark Anything episode.
Guest:And that will be coming up in just a few weeks.
Guest:We'll talk to you then.