BONUS Producer Cuts - Tig Notaro, David Krumholtz, Alejandro Escovedo, Jimmy Carr and More
Guest:Hey there, Full Marin listeners.
Guest:This is Brendan, the producer at WTF.
Guest:Happy Tuesday for the 100th time here on the Full Marin.
Guest:This is bonus episode number 100 for these Tuesday episodes we bring you.
Guest:That's pretty amazing.
Guest:I hadn't realized that until I checked my records here.
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Guest:And then of course, every episode of the back catalog of WTF ad-free podcast.
Guest:That's what you get here on The Full Marin.
Guest:And once a month, I bring you these producer cuts, which are clips that we've taken out of the episodes as I was editing them.
Guest:It's not just stuff that I didn't think was worth getting into the show or stuff where Mark made a mistake or an error and I cut it out.
Guest:It's usually stuff that has some specific reason I didn't include it in the final episode.
Guest:And if you listened to last month's producer cuts, you know that in March, Mark had a lot of stuff I took out of the show.
Guest:So I'm floating some of the March stuff over into this month, which also has the remainder of April producer cuts.
Guest:So let's go back to episode 1524.
Guest:This was the episode with Tig Notaro.
Guest:And in Mark's monologue, he was talking about his recent trips to Boise and Atlanta.
Guest:And there's some good stuff in here.
Guest:about technology, but I'm not sure I wanted to so broadly stereotype Boise.
Guest:And also some of this technology stuff, I feel like was just newly unearthed in Mark's head.
Guest:It should be understood in that spirit, not necessarily as him making some actual proclamation about the ill effects of technology.
Guest:So I thought because that stuff wasn't quite clear, because I didn't want the
Guest:the city of Boise coming down on us.
Guest:I took this part out, but I think it's totally fine for you to hear it.
Guest:You will notice at the end of the clip, Mark says a telltale phrase that always tells me this is probably something I'm going to earmark for cutting.
Guest:So here we go with Mark's monologue from episode 1524.
Marc:It's very interesting, man.
Marc:Atlanta is a big city.
Marc:I had a guy, a driver, drive me to the airport, and it was early then, too.
Marc:Man.
Marc:And he just was laying it out, laying out the world, laying out the breakdown of the public education system, laying out the reasons why working for oneself is the way to go.
Marc:Talking about working as a skycap at the airport.
Marc:It was just one of these moments where I'm like, why don't I have the mics?
Marc:This guy's a celebrity.
Marc:This guy's doing a good job talking the talk.
Marc:But Atlanta is a sprawling big city, and I do seem to have a pretty good time when I'm there.
Marc:Then Boise, I had no idea what to expect.
Marc:I flew out on the one direct flight from Atlanta to Boise, and I got there.
Marc:And it wasn't that I got an attitude, but I just kept thinking, like, I feel like I'm visiting America.
Marc:Is that weird?
Marc:Like, I don't know that I'd go to Boise or I don't know that I go out into a lot of the expanse of this country for no reason.
Marc:But there was this moment where I'm like, I'm in Boise, Idaho.
Marc:And I've been to Idaho before.
Marc:There are some parts of Idaho that are kind of scary, but it's a spread out scary.
Marc:You know, it's it's a scary based on assumption and some pretty, you know, frightening news stories about certain types of people that might exist in the rural parts of Idaho.
Marc:Not unlike the rural parts of anywhere.
Marc:I got nothing against the people who I don't know.
Marc:But from what I hear.
Marc:There's some scary people.
Marc:But I don't I started to think about like it's so like, what are they mad about?
Marc:Look at this expanse of land and look at like, you know, what were people thinking about when they weren't getting pummeled by information of their own deciding to engage with very quickly from all around the world, from like minded people everywhere to create this.
Marc:frothing frenzy of panic and hatred and fear of immigrants, gay people.
Marc:I mean, look, I know that the Christian thing is the Christian thing, but the paramilitary business, I don't want to get too grim, but I did have this kind of revelation of a moment in thinking about what were we filling our brains with
Marc:before we wedged our phones and computers in between us and what is, just reality.
Marc:The direct engagement with our perception, with what is around us, not the expanse of every idea, fact, word, letter, song, video image imaginable in our hand.
Marc:And I have to assume that at that point back in the day, we were closer to the land.
Marc:We were closer to other people.
Marc:Time went by at a different pace.
Marc:Our opinions and ideas were sort of more rooted in interactions with actual people that we knew or that we saw or events that we were part of or witnessed to in real time.
Marc:Communities were probably stronger.
Marc:I'm not saying there weren't whack jobs.
Marc:But, you know, at least they were on the margins and they were reacting to whatever their head was building in real time out there on the plains.
Marc:You know, but it wasn't the fire wasn't being fed by every option of information to service that fire available anywhere in the palm of their hand.
Marc:And I thought, man, we have really lost something in terms of our connection with what is our reality.
Marc:I just started to think about people who are out there just frothing and screaming and terrified of impending doom and panic about immorality and
Marc:immigration and global conspiracy.
Marc:Again, I'm not saying that stuff didn't exist, but it's kind of consumed people's brains because of technology.
Marc:I'm starting to kind of play with the idea that most people are a bit sociopathic or psychopathic because of their relationship with their phones.
Marc:And I'm not saying violent psychopaths, but in terms of the definition of psychopath or sociopath, I mean, I think I have a legit argument.
Marc:And I'll let you know when I write the paper because I'll be writing the paper and it'll be sourced.
Marc:Like right here, like I looked it up, psychopath, symptoms of psychopath behavior that conflicts with social norms.
Marc:Check disregarding or violating the rights of others.
Marc:Check this.
Marc:This is a lot of people out there because of their engagement.
Marc:With the trauma generator, with the anger generator, with the sadness generator, the emotional roller coaster that they volunteer for in their hand, inability to distinguish between right and wrong, difficulty with showing remorse or empathy, tendency to lie often, manipulating and hurting others, recurring problems with the law.
Marc:Now that might be a little extreme.
Marc:Maybe I'm throwing too big a net.
Marc:But the general sense I get is that if you allow yourself to your brain to be fucked by the constant pummeling with certain types of information and the lack of direct connection with human beings.
Marc:You know, I mean, I think that that's what I think.
Marc:I think that the phone might be a sociopath manufacturing machine.
Marc:And also, like, what about your relationship with the thing?
Marc:Anyway, look, I'm rambling on.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:I'm rambling on.
Guest:Whenever I hear Mark talk about how he's just rambling, that's kind of the mental cue that maybe the stuff he's saying right now isn't fully formed and it would be better taking it out.
Guest:Well, later in that episode, we had Mark with Tig Notaro, and I removed some of the stuff where they were talking about being vegans, mostly because I didn't feel like having a commercial for some app that doesn't sponsor a show in the middle of the conversation.
Guest:And then there's a second section that you'll hear that's just kind of like a small part within a larger section I cut out.
Guest:That larger section got thrown on the cutting room floor.
Guest:This smaller part is amusing, and I wanted to put it back into these producer cuts.
Marc:I had an issue, I think, with fish sauce recently.
Guest:What was the issue?
Marc:It might have been in the kimchi.
Guest:Did you ignore that it might be in there and just powered through?
Marc:I was on the road.
Guest:Yeah, you powered through.
Marc:Well, it wasn't that much.
Guest:You got fish oil in your body.
Marc:No, it's out now.
Marc:I mean, it's been, you know, a week.
Marc:But it's not like sobriety where I'm like, I got to start my day count.
Guest:Right, right.
Marc:But it was a rough road trip for the vegan, you know, for some reason, for veganism for me.
Marc:It was Portland, Maine, Boston, Providence.
Guest:Do you not have Happy Cow on your phone?
Marc:No.
Guest:Are you not familiar with Happy Cow?
Marc:No, I just woke up vegan restaurants.
Marc:I did all right.
Guest:Mark, Marin, get the Happy Cow app.
Guest:You just put in vegan restaurants nearby and it just... Why can't I do that?
Marc:I do it on the Google Maps and it's better.
Guest:Oh my gosh.
Guest:It makes touring and traveling...
Guest:A million times better.
Guest:I almost forget that I'm in town to do shows.
Guest:I'm solely there.
Marc:Hung up on the food.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm like, oh, my gosh, all of these vegan restaurants.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And I can't wait to eat everything everywhere.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Marc:See, like what I do is like I'll look at pictures and I'll think about it and I'll look at menus.
Marc:And a lot of times if the options are limited, I don't want to eat too much vegan fast food.
Marc:But if I find one good vegan place that serves at least two meals, I'll eat all the meals there.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I don't care.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:It's a big menu.
Guest:He doesn't care.
Marc:I don't care.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You don't care.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I feel bad about the fish sauce.
Marc:I've come clean about it.
Marc:It was very little.
Marc:It's kimchi.
Marc:It's still probiotic.
Guest:Am I the first person you told?
Marc:You are, yeah.
Marc:But to the guy who served its credit, he said, I think there might be.
Marc:So I was willing to do it.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:You're a little more lax than I am.
Guest:That's the only time.
Guest:Mark.
Guest:It's the only time.
Guest:But you're only a year in, and you're already going, yeah, sure, I'll just ignore that there's fish sauce.
Marc:No, it wasn't fish.
Marc:It wasn't fish.
Marc:I don't miss meat at all.
Marc:I don't think about it.
Guest:Oh my God.
Guest:I don't.
Guest:People always ask me when they're eating in front of me, if it's hard to see me eat, to see them eat that.
Marc:I mean, emotionally or, or that you might want it.
Guest:Like I might want it.
Marc:Oh.
Guest:And, uh, and it's like there, I, I,
Guest:What I have learned about what they're eating, I'm not tempted.
Guest:It's kind of like during the pandemic, everybody would ask, were you able to stay vegan during the pandemic?
Guest:Yeah, I'm not lying or cheating on myself here.
Guest:I'm not like, oh, good, I'm privately in my home.
Guest:I'm just going to eat...
Marc:What were people doing the pandemic?
Marc:Were they out hunting?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, why would the pandemic matter?
Guest:Well, that's what I said.
Guest:It's like if I were on a boat with a bunch of men, I'd be like, oh, I'm, you know, I have somebody to introduce you to.
Guest:I was away.
Marc:It was a long trip.
Marc:We were out there for three weeks.
Guest:You know what?
Guest:I did Mark's podcast.
Guest:It went a little long.
Guest:We're dating now.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I don't know what came over me.
Marc:I couldn't hold it back anymore.
Guest:Love it.
Guest:And then there's the people that you run into all the time.
Marc:Yeah, that you don't want to see.
Marc:There was women I dated that, like, it's terrifying to me.
Marc:Like, I have to run away.
Guest:Or just even a random person.
Guest:I know.
Guest:I used to have this person called Everywhere Lesbian, where I was like...
Guest:Mark, you're going to think I'm lying.
Guest:I saw this lesbian everywhere.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:I even saw her when I was eating dinner in San Francisco.
Guest:She walked by the restaurant and I was like, oh my God, everywhere lesbian.
Guest:Mark, she lived in my apartment building in Los Angeles.
Guest:That's not the first place I ever saw her.
Right.
Guest:Do you understand?
Guest:Did you ever meet her?
Guest:No.
Guest:I was just like, oh, my God, there she is.
Guest:And when I tell people, they're like, oh, maybe she was a fan.
Guest:I was not on her radar.
Guest:She never noticed me.
Guest:I wasn't even attracted to her.
Marc:That's your guardian angel.
Yeah.
Guest:Everywhere lesbian is funny.
Marc:Yeah, she doesn't know it.
Marc:You don't know it.
Marc:But that's what was going on.
Guest:But I noticed her.
Guest:I was just an extra in the background of her life.
Guest:It's so funny when that happened.
Guest:Okay, moving along to episode 1525 with David Krumholtz.
Guest:It's kind of self-explanatory why I didn't include this.
Guest:He says it in the segment.
Guest:He basically says that...
Guest:this is stuff I don't need to address because people get bothered by me addressing it.
Guest:And yes, that's quite true.
Guest:And so I didn't include this because I feel like he had been including it in many previous episodes and we didn't need every single update about these things.
Guest:So this is from episode 1525.
Guest:And I think you'll hear exactly why this was removed.
Marc:You know,
Marc:I got to be honest with you.
Marc:Sometimes when I'm here, by the way, I hope everything's okay with you.
Marc:I hope it all worked out with that thing.
Marc:And I hope, you know, what's their name, you know, gets better and they're going to be okay.
Marc:And I hope that, you know, you get that thing you're waiting for.
Marc:I hope that happens for you.
Marc:So look, sometimes, sometimes I tend to talk about things here for a while.
Marc:Like I would say many things I talk about as recurring parts of my life.
Marc:And as some of you know, my life is actually relatively small and
Marc:You know, when you're not a daredevil or you're not jumping out of planes or flying helicopters or, you know, an amateur boxer or, you know, a guy that does baking competitions or somebody that has, you know, several different types of wild animal.
Marc:that they're taking care of or somebody who is not going through something awful or somebody that races cars or crochets.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:There's a lot of things that I don't do and the things I do do, you know about them.
Marc:So oddly how these kind of things work, like when a fella like me breaks his foot,
Marc:You know, that that is that's what's happening in my life.
Marc:You know, I got a broken foot and I'm not responding to anything specific here, but some people were I got a couple of emails enough with the foot.
Marc:And look, believe me, nobody wants that to be true more than me.
Marc:Enough with the foot and the fear around the foot and what the foot implies in my age or whatever.
Marc:I'm not hung up on it.
Marc:It's just what's happening in my life.
Marc:I guess that would be the definition of hung up on it.
Marc:Maybe not, but I do have to converse.
Marc:So to put it all to rest,
Marc:You know, in terms of this chapter, my foot seems to be fine.
Marc:I'm slowly getting on the treadmill to work it.
Marc:Seems to be fine.
Marc:So there you go.
Marc:Enough of that.
Marc:And another thing that's been brought to my attention, and I'm not, again, it's not a massive influx of stuff, is I do talk about turning 60.
Marc:You know why?
Marc:Because it's fucking weird.
Marc:And it changes your brain.
Marc:And if it doesn't change your brain, good for you.
Marc:But there is that moment where you realize, and I talked to a friend of mine who's my age, and it's just, things are a little closer than they used to be.
Marc:That's all.
Marc:I'm not saying it's bad.
Marc:I'm not saying I'm changing my life because of it that much.
Marc:But in terms of perception, in terms of how I see the fucking world,
Marc:It's a little different and not much has changed.
Marc:I'm still the same guy.
Marc:It's just another day.
Marc:There's the day after, the month after, two months after.
Marc:But you do realize that all of a sudden you're like, all right, all right.
Marc:If you're going to have a good time, you better start now, you fuck.
Marc:Figure it out.
Marc:Outside of age, the rest of the world's not going in a direction that's, I would say, fun.
Marc:But I can still have some sort of fun or peace of mind.
Marc:And if you want to do it, maybe it's something you need to choose to do.
Marc:As opposed to just expect to happen.
Marc:That's all.
Marc:Sorry to yell.
Guest:Sorry.
Marc:Look.
Guest:All right, there's also an outtake from David's actual interview, David Krumholtz, in that episode.
Guest:There's a story he tells here about Nick Nolte.
Guest:Kind of didn't want a headline out of this, and it's not that substantial a story, so I didn't mind removing it.
Guest:and then not have a story about, well, you'll hear what David has to say, attached with our show.
Guest:And then also some very kind of insidery New York talk about Al Goldstein and Robin Bird, two, you know, I guess we could call them pornographers, but largely New York characters of a certain generation.
Guest:And David and Mark definitely related over that.
Guest:I didn't think it was worth getting into the final episode, but I hope you find it amusing here.
Marc:Yeah, I love those moments.
Marc:Like, I interviewed Nick Nolte, who was a movie star.
Marc:Correct.
Marc:But he became a character.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And I was doing this interview with Sean Penn, but he only wanted to talk about this book that he wrote.
Marc:But I told him, because I know him and Nolte had worked together on, I don't know, U-Turn or one of them.
Marc:I can't remember what.
Marc:I said to him, I said, you know, Nick Nolte was on the show.
Marc:And Sean Penn goes, he found the place?
Yeah.
Marc:I'm like, can I talk to that Sean Penn, the one that just made the joke?
Marc:I'd like to talk to that.
Guest:I saw Nolte's dick.
Marc:Wow.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:How was that?
Guest:Beat up?
Marc:I was 15.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:I hope this is an on-the-level story.
Guest:No, I'll tell you what happened.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:There's a movie called Blue Chips, which is him, Penny Hardaway, and Shaquille O'Neal.
Guest:It's about...
Guest:scouting for college basketball and I'm shooting Adam's Family Values my second film on the Paramount lot and someone says hey Shaquille O'Neal is here shooting a movie do you want to go on to the set and see what they're shooting and I said fuck yeah
Guest:So I walk on the set, and there's Shaquille O'Neal, and there's Nick Nolte, who plays the coach.
Guest:And it's a scene in a locker room, and Nick Nolte has a towel around him.
Guest:He's just showered.
Guest:That's in the scene.
Guest:And at one point, the towel falls.
Guest:I don't think it's meant to in the scene, but it fell.
Guest:And he's not wearing anything under that towel.
Guest:And I've seen his dick.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:And his ass, too.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And you have that now.
Guest:And I have had that for a long time.
Marc:Oh, here's a little story about Al Goldstein.
Marc:I was going to tell you about the pornographer.
Marc:Al Goldstein, you know, after everything he'd been through with everything he did, Screw Magazine.
Marc:Screw Magazine.
Marc:He ended up, I guess, as a favor to him from somebody working at J&R Cigars in New York.
Marc:Hmm.
Marc:And I was smoking cigars at the time.
Marc:It was years ago.
Marc:And I went in there and there was Al Goldstein.
Guest:Wow.
Marc:And to his credit, and the reason I loved seeing him there, I didn't feel bad because I think the only reason he was there was he got free cigars.
Oh.
Marc:Right, he didn't necessarily need the money.
Marc:No, he was so happy that he could just be smoking all day.
Guest:Right, right, right.
Marc:And it was little Al Goldstein.
Marc:Good talking to you, man.
Guest:Robin Bird ended up working at a shop right in New Jersey near me.
Guest:Really?
Guest:No, I made that up.
Guest:That was my bit.
Guest:Sorry.
Guest:I remember seeing her.
Guest:You just said good talking and now you feel like it was bad talking to me because I made that joke.
Marc:No, I used to see her on that local access porn show that she did in New York.
Guest:Of course.
Marc:It was the weirdest thing.
Marc:She'd always be too close to the camera.
Marc:It was chaos.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It was chaos.
Marc:I don't know what happened to her.
Guest:I hope she's all right.
Guest:Is she still alive?
Guest:Who knows?
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:I always track.
Guest:She's got to be like 90.
Guest:No.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I would imagine so because we're talking about in the 80s.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:So in the 80s, she's maybe late 30s, early 40s.
Guest:So now it's 40 years later.
Guest:So yeah, she's in her 80s, late 70s, 80s.
Guest:That's crazy.
Guest:Is she alive?
Guest:I'm looking.
Guest:What if we're talking about a dead person?
Guest:I feel bad.
Marc:Oh, this is a problem.
Marc:Because it's like... Is it B-Y-R-D?
Marc:Maybe, because I'm just getting a lot of birds.
Guest:Yeah, Robin Bird, right.
Marc:Weird.
Guest:B-Y-R-D?
Marc:I'm going to try Robin Bird porn.
Guest:Oh, yeah, that'll work.
Guest:Let's see.
Guest:That's certain to work.
Marc:Robin Bird nude porn videos.
Marc:Wikipedia.
Marc:Here we go.
Marc:She's not as old as you think.
Marc:How old?
Marc:57 she was born.
Guest:She was born in 1957.
Guest:So she's 66.
Guest:Oh, that's bullshit.
Marc:Well, I don't know.
Guest:It says she's still alive.
Guest:I hope so.
Guest:She's 66.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Still pretty young.
Guest:Born and raised in New York City.
Guest:There's no way she's 66 years old, man.
Guest:Why?
Guest:Because I felt like she had an early 40s energy in the 80s.
Marc:It was rough.
Guest:You can't fathom that a former porn star would lie about her age?
Guest:Come on.
Guest:No, but that doesn't seem crazy to me.
Guest:Really?
Guest:No.
Guest:All right.
Guest:66.
Guest:I don't mean to.
Guest:I'm sorry.
Marc:There's nothing to apologize about.
Marc:I understand.
Marc:But I mean, like, you got to be kind of vigilant to fake your age on your Wikipedia.
Marc:Someone's going to fuck with it.
Marc:Right, right, right.
Guest:You're not allowed to.
Guest:I tried to edit my own.
Guest:They don't let you do that.
Marc:They don't.
Marc:I need to edit my own because it says my name is Marcus.
Marc:They don't like.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:It says Marcus David Marin.
Marc:I've never been a Marcus.
Marc:Sorry to hear that.
Marc:It's all right.
Marc:I'll be all right.
Guest:Okay, moving on to the month of April.
Guest:And this first clip is from episode 1526, the Alejandro Escovedo episode.
Guest:And this is at the beginning of the interview.
Guest:If you've listened to producer cuts before, you know a lot of times stuff that I'm cutting is when Mark and the guest first sit down and they start recording.
Guest:And I'm just kind of waiting for an entry point.
Guest:And this is something that often happens with musicians.
Guest:So this is for all the gearheads out there.
Guest:If you like that stuff, when Mark talks about it with guests, here he is talking about it with Alejandro Escovedo.
Marc:I got a... Yeah, I bought a... Did I get that one for... I did something for Gibson.
Marc:I made them pay me in guitars.
Marc:And...
Marc:I got one of those 56 reissues, and I love it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But it fell, and the headstock broke off.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:They're fragile, those headstocks.
Marc:Yeah, the worst.
Marc:The Gibsons?
Marc:It's weird.
Marc:But I fixed it, and it's okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But the P90s are where it's at.
Marc:I was just out in...
Marc:Rhode Island a few days ago, and I went by.
Marc:There's a place there, Empire Guitars.
Marc:Uh-huh.
Marc:And that's where I bought that 60 Junior.
Marc:That's beauty.
Marc:Yeah, and he had one of those SG Juniors with the one P90.
Marc:Yeah, the one P90.
Marc:Those are sweet.
Marc:I know.
Marc:I almost got it, but I'm like, well, I'm not even a pro.
Marc:I'm going to start being one of these guys.
Marc:I'd really try to...
Marc:You know, I'm just this fucking, I am mass guitarist, but most of them, to my credit, I get for free.
Marc:And the old ones that I actually paid for are the ones I really play.
Marc:That yellow TV Junior, that was a reissue I got in like, when the fuck was that?
Marc:2002.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's with the, that single P90.
Marc:I love that one.
Marc:And I got the, I just started fucking around with that Open G. Yeah.
Marc:Oh, you did?
Marc:Yeah, just now.
Guest:I've never played an open tune.
Guest:I have a hard enough time in standard tuning.
Marc:But like, you know, it's the weird thing about the open G. That's what Keith uses, right?
Marc:So I took that bass string off like he did.
Guest:Oh, you did?
Marc:Yeah, and I'm 60 and I'm doing this shit now.
Marc:I'm like, I think it's time.
Marc:And it's weird, you know, when there's these mysteries like, can't you hear me knocking?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:With that fucking tuning, if you just go on YouTube and look how it's done, you're like, oh, my God.
Guest:This is exactly how it's supposed to sound.
Guest:I saw him doing Honky Tonk Woman.
Guest:All open.
Guest:Women.
Guest:Just open.
Guest:And he shows you how you do.
Guest:He doesn't even fret anything.
Guest:I know.
Guest:I know.
Guest:It's so crazy.
Guest:It's so cool.
Marc:I'm real obsessed right now with Midnight Rambler.
Marc:I can't.
Marc:Classic.
Marc:Classic.
Marc:Straight tuning capo on the 7th.
Marc:And it's pretty easy.
Guest:Way up there, huh?
Marc:Yeah, way up there, but it's just E, D, and A. Oh, wow.
Marc:But, you know, everything he does is a little tricky.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, it's his thing, you know?
Guest:I know.
Guest:Nobody else can do that.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:You know, I feel like you have that as well, though, oddly.
Marc:But it wouldn't be oddly.
Guest:It's an accident if I do have it.
Marc:No, there's a tone to it and the way you sing and the chords you use and the arrangements.
Marc:But, like, it goes all the way back in all the stuff.
Marc:I mean, even, like, way back.
Marc:I think I can hear it in the nun stuff.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Is that possible?
Marc:Sure.
Guest:I guess if you try hard enough.
Guest:Okay, some monologues here.
Guest:Monologue from episode 1528, Carol Burnett's episode.
Guest:And Mark had just gotten back from Madison and Milwaukee, Wisconsin and Chicago.
Guest:And he's talking about the food that he had on the trip.
Guest:I didn't think it needed to get into the episode, especially we were trying to get to our guest who was a big featured guest that week, Carol Burnett.
Guest:But sometimes people, especially if you live out there, you want to hear Mark shout out some restaurants and shout out the type of food he's been eating.
Guest:Here it is for you right now in Madison, Milwaukee, Chicago, and elsewhere in the Midwest.
Guest:Mark, talking about food.
Guest:The Midwest.
Marc:was pretty great.
Marc:We had good food in all the places.
Marc:In Madison, I went to, I believe it was a Himalayan place.
Marc:Had a nice veggie meal.
Marc:And then in, where'd we eat, man?
Marc:In Milwaukee, we went to this odd duck place.
Marc:That was pretty good.
Marc:And went to Planta in Chicago, actually.
Marc:I'll be honest with you.
Marc:Being a vegan this trip was kind of rough.
Marc:And it just was.
Marc:I used to like to go to all these cities and just eat what they had to offer.
Marc:Eat what the city made the best.
Marc:I didn't eat Lou Malnati's this time.
Marc:I mean, that's crazy.
Marc:No Lou's.
Marc:And then in Milwaukee, you know, and also it's a little tricky finding places in, where else were we?
Marc:In Minneapolis.
Marc:Where'd I go?
Marc:I found a late night Asian place.
Marc:That worked out pretty good.
Marc:But we went to some places, herbivorous butcher.
Marc:And it was just a vegan butcher shop.
Marc:No place to sit.
Marc:All the meat tasted a little bit the same.
Marc:It was okay.
Marc:It was like the... That one bummed me out for some reason.
Marc:Because... It's like... Have a place to stand or sit or eat or something.
Marc:Just make it... But... But I don't know.
Marc:There was something about... Like if you're going to do...
Marc:Like a plant-based cold-cut sandwich.
Marc:Just go out and make the roll amazing.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:Go all the way.
Marc:But whatever.
Marc:It was what it was.
Marc:And it sat with me in a very heavy way, in a very sad way.
Marc:There's something about...
Marc:That the plant based sliced meat, and I've had this before, whether it's corned beef or fake corned beef, where it's just this loaf of spices.
Marc:I don't even know what it's made out of that.
Marc:It's it's trying to be something it isn't.
Marc:And it's just fucking heartbreaking.
Marc:It's heartbreaking, people.
Marc:Look, I can live with a plant-based burger, but I can't live with plant-based, like, sliced turkey, really.
Marc:Like, I can do seitan and pretend it's chicken, but I can't do just a slab, a slice from a slab of a loaf of corned beef spiced plant gook.
Marc:I can't.
Marc:It just it hurt me somehow.
Marc:So and also too much fried food.
Marc:You know, I guess I'm just used to what I eat and I've got to figure it out out there.
Marc:Sometimes you nail it.
Marc:But I think I'm really just an old school.
Marc:Hippie-based vegan dude.
Marc:Just chickpeas, brown rice, greens, some tempeh, some tofu, some seitan.
Marc:I'm good.
Marc:Maybe a little seaweed action.
Marc:But none of the, I can't do the deli meats, the plant-based deli meats.
Marc:No, it hurt.
Marc:I don't even know what to say to you.
Marc:But it took everything I had.
Marc:I almost slipped into eggs, which would lead to cheese, which would lead to fish, which would lead to pork ass, brisket.
Marc:Yeah, I almost, I almost fucked it.
Marc:I almost said, fuck it.
Marc:Fuck this.
Guest:All right, jumping ahead to episode 1530 with Malcolm McDowell.
Guest:This is Mark working through his feelings on this new Apple TV show.
Guest:I found it a little redundant.
Guest:He had already kind of done this on the previous episode.
Guest:But, you know, for all of you who like to listen to Mark and kind of track his progress with things, especially things he's feeling stressed about or he has anxiety over, this is a little piece.
Guest:You know, if you've heard over the last few months, he kind of went from very anxious about doing the show to feeling a little bit better about it.
Guest:And I think this is one of the turning points for him.
Marc:got to be honest with you these gigs have been going so good that's another sort of obstacle to my being excited or or shifting my pattern a little bit and framing it in the way it should be framed which is like look dude you're going to spend time focusing on a thing that you want to do with a guy that's great and it's a whole new thing you know fucking step up but my comedy's been great
Marc:lately.
Marc:And it's also like, I've had this revelation that I talked to you about the last time about how perhaps, you know, I'm honoring the very nature of my traumatic upbringing by, by the very dynamics and context of standing up on stage in front of people.
Marc:And that's had kind of a profound effect on me.
Marc:I talked about it a bit the other day, but it's kind of sticking with me because I, there's a new sort of thing happening on stage, a kind of
Marc:different level of zero fuckness and comfortability that like, uh, is, is pretty exciting.
Marc:I just, I was at the store last night and I was just riffing away and doing some stuff.
Marc:And I'm looking forward to these gigs coming up in Texas and some of these other places.
Marc:But, uh, but I also don't ever realize like that.
Marc:I talk about, you know, uh,
Marc:deep, dark stuff sometimes.
Marc:And this show that I'm working on now deals somewhat with some of my childhood trauma that I kind of unearthed and framed in a way that I think is helpful to me and to other people.
Marc:But I don't always know what audiences are thinking.
Marc:I just know that in order to challenge myself to do the work that I like to do,
Marc:You know, I got to go deep, man.
Marc:And I got to figure it out.
Marc:Now, I've got, you know, palate cleansers throughout the set, you know, lighthearted stuff, deep stuff, a little bit of politics.
Marc:I'm doing it the way that I always do it.
Marc:But some of the stuff I'm working on now is pretty honest and pretty gnarly.
Marc:And I do think it's very relatable.
Marc:It's just not talked about much on the comedy stage in the way that I talk about it.
Marc:And but I think that knowing some of the deeper reasons why I might be doing stand up is is very helpful because it doesn't mean that it was a pathological pursuit.
Marc:It doesn't mean that I was like, I got to do this to be better or feel better or to to to sort of make my life whole.
Marc:I always knew that I was doing it to sort of have my own point of view, have my own space, be seen, and talk about things that I think are important, that I think might be important to other people, maybe, but usually it's about me.
Marc:I wasn't ever a song and dance man necessarily, but I have that in me.
Marc:But but now that I have sort of put this final piece together, there's a different type of depth and confidence to it that look, I don't fucking know.
Marc:You know, you talk to me in a week, it might all be gone.
Marc:Yeah, I might be like, yeah, I'm right back to being whatever I was before.
Marc:But it is exciting and and it is going to be hard to sort of shift gears.
Marc:But I think a new experience and doing some acting, a new creative thing, working with other people.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, I haven't done a lot of TV work in a long time.
Marc:And this seemed to be the thing.
Marc:Sometimes I'm not going to say that things happen for a reason.
Marc:But this in terms of what's going on in show business and where I'm at in my life and who the guy that I'm playing is and who I'm going to be playing against and with as an actor being Owen, it should be exciting and it should be interesting.
Marc:And I think that if him and I figure out a groove, that might be something, man.
Marc:That's what I'm going to tell you.
Marc:All right.
Marc:And again, I'll let you know what's going on with the schedule.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Before Jimmy Carr was on in the monologue on episode 1531, Mark, because of Jimmy, got into his thoughts about Britain and Ireland.
Guest:And I just thought, you know, this is a lot of stuff Mark has said before in the past, maybe not recently.
Guest:And so there's a chance you've never heard this stuff, his opinions on Great Britain and Ireland.
Guest:And so I figured why not include it here in the producer cuts?
Marc:Oh my God.
Marc:My, my quads are killing me, man.
Marc:I did that hike the other day.
Marc:I think I told you.
Marc:And I just, I didn't, I didn't feel it at the time, but I guess I haven't done it in a couple, you know, two and a half months, three months.
Marc:And maybe it's coming down.
Marc:I don't know if it's going up, but I can barely fucking walk.
Marc:I can barely walk.
Marc:And that, and that's the truth.
Marc:I can seriously barely walk.
Yeah.
Marc:What else happened?
Marc:What else has been going on?
Marc:I don't know, you guys.
Marc:My experience is, you know, in talking about Britain, Ireland, and London has been okay.
Marc:I'm slowly getting over my weirdness about traveling to other countries.
Marc:I don't know why I feel so alone and weird and out of place, but I guess because on some level I am.
Marc:But those countries, I've gotten very comfortable in Ireland.
Marc:Because I go there frequently and there's a few things I like to do, a few places I like to eat.
Marc:I do love the Irish people, but that was also fraught at the beginning.
Marc:Not unlike Edinburgh.
Marc:I remember I went to my first times in Ireland.
Marc:I went to the Kilkenny Comedy Festival.
Marc:And I don't know, man, the first I guess I learned a lesson that first Kilkenny because, you know, I had met some people and, you know, I was talking shit and I talk shit occasionally.
Marc:And someone decided to spread that shit around.
Marc:And, you know, and some of the people I talk shit about heard that I talk shit about them.
Marc:And then, you know, it became very uncomfortable and international discomfort, an Irish discomfort.
Marc:And I have nothing against anybody that I talk shit about at the time.
Marc:I remember Harlan Williams was there and Dom Irera, a couple of Americans, but the gigs were difficult.
Marc:I think I did that twice and both times, not great, just survival mode.
Marc:But as time went on, I built my own audience and I just do Dublin and that's it.
Marc:I'll play the Vicar Street and it's been great every time.
Marc:I have a small but powerful fan base in Ireland.
Marc:They all come out.
Marc:Seven, eight hundred people.
Marc:And we hang out with each other for an hour or so.
Marc:And it's been good.
Marc:The last time I was there, it was kind of crazy because I believed and I think I don't know if I talked about in the special, but I believe that Lynn was was there with me.
Marc:I went to Ireland with Lynn and after she had passed, I went to perform.
Marc:Vicar Street.
Marc:And for some reason, when I was talking about her, the lights started flickering and dimming.
Marc:And I can't I can't you look.
Marc:Obviously, it's an electrical problem, but also the theater.
Marc:I talked to the people at the theater.
Marc:That's never happened before.
Marc:So make of it what you will.
Marc:I'll take it as a visitation.
Marc:And England, I've grown to like England, too.
Marc:I get a little overwhelmed.
Marc:I don't know exactly what to do in other countries.
Marc:And I, you know, I get I feel like I have to do a lot.
Marc:But then, you know, go you go a number of times.
Marc:You realize, well, just do what you want to do.
Marc:I go to the Tate Gallery and the English audience is.
Marc:have always been pretty good for me.
Marc:When I first started going there, I went to the Soho Theater and I did a late show for two weeks on the set of some small production of La Boheme, I think, maybe.
Marc:Was it?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:All I know is I was standing on a set
Marc:trying to do my comedy for, you know, a hundred or so people was not great.
Marc:I was staying in a flat.
Marc:I was kind of unhappy, didn't know who to talk to and what to do.
Marc:I think that's what I feel sometimes when I go to other countries, isolated somehow.
Marc:I don't think I'm as social as I'd like to think I am.
Marc:So, okay.
Marc:So Jimmy's here.
Jimmy Carr.
Guest:Later in that episode, Mark talked to Jimmy Carr, and I took this section out.
Guest:It's just really kind of a digression where they were talking about the Beatles documentary, which Mark tends to bring up a lot with guests, particularly if they're British.
Guest:And I think he had just done it in the previous episode with Malcolm McDowell.
Guest:So I removed this from the Jimmy Carr episode, but it's fun stuff, them talking about the Beatles.
Marc:I was listening to the Beatles, too, and I heard this story that can't get out of my head that...
Marc:Did you watch the documentary?
Guest:How many times is the question you've got to ask?
Guest:It's unbelievable.
Guest:It's about secure attachment as far as I'm concerned.
Guest:It's like you watch Paul McCartney, that's secure attachment.
Guest:You watch John Lennon and you go, oh my God, that's what happens when your relationship with your mother isn't great.
Guest:I mean... Yeah, I guess so.
Guest:The thing with him and Yoko.
Guest:I mean, it's... And by that stage as well, because apparently... I mean, yeah.
Guest:I mean, you know, he definitely did songs about his mother screaming.
Guest:But apparently in the first album, the first two albums, three albums, are John Lennon records.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But by the time they get to that...
Guest:It's Paul McCartney's band.
Marc:It wasn't that long.
Marc:It was after Epstein died.
Marc:But the point I was making is that, you know, you see them and there's part of you, they're ingrained in our consciousness, but not as people.
Marc:But you see them as people in those documentaries.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But you're still like, it's still magic.
Marc:They're still fucking magicians.
Guest:They may just be a bunch of guys in a studio, but what the fuck?
Guest:And the idea that you got, I don't know what you felt like watching it.
Guest:I watched it, I was in lockdown and I watched it all in a day and then I watched it again on tour.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I felt like I'd hung out with the Beatles.
Guest:Yeah, totally.
Guest:I felt like, oh, like at the end of it, I'm going, oh, typical George.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:What are y'all, what's he like?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:What classic George.
Marc:The weird thing was is after within an hour, I wasn't even paying attention to Yoko, no matter how close she was to him sitting there.
Marc:I didn't, it didn't register.
Marc:I just, I, and it wasn't that I was ignoring her.
Marc:She just kind of faded into the background.
Marc:Didn't bother me.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Which is a big change because, you know, you grow up villainizing her.
Guest:It's crazy.
Guest:It's the kind of inherent misogyny of that.
Marc:It's crazy.
Marc:Did you see that Above Us Only Sky, Doc?
Marc:No.
Marc:It's all Lennon.
Marc:It's about the making of Imagine.
Marc:And she totally changed his whole perception of the world, not in a bad way, but I mean, that's her record almost.
Marc:No, I feel like it's moving so far ahead.
Marc:But the amazing thing about that documentary is he had George come in and play guitar, right?
Marc:So they're not the Beatles anymore.
Marc:You know, he's in some mansion.
Marc:I don't know if it was in London or upstate New York.
Marc:And George comes in to do a track.
Marc:And George sits down and John's on piano.
Marc:And nothing is even said.
Marc:John plays something, looks at George.
Marc:George locks in.
Marc:And that was it.
Marc:This shorthand was amazing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But the point I was going to try to make originally was those Hamburg days, the reason they locked in, I heard that the guy who owned the club in Hamburg, the tavern, had all this leftover Nazi speed.
Marc:And he was just feeding these guys speed.
Marc:Ha, ha, ha, ha!
Marc:So they could play for that long.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So that's how they paid their dues.
Marc:Just jacked on crank and jamming out those old rock songs.
Guest:There's that extraordinary book about Germany on drugs during the war.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I don't know if it's a rumor.
Guest:Got a lot of criticism, but it was because it was almost like an apologist thing.
Guest:But it was like, oh, they were high.
Guest:Sorry, guys.
Guest:We were high.
Guest:What happened?
Guest:We were so high.
Guest:Okay, finally this month, we've got episode 1534.
Guest:This is the monologue on the episode with Neil Brennan.
Guest:And Mark is really poking around his feelings about Albuquerque and his dad.
Guest:He was currently in Albuquerque when he recorded this intro.
Guest:And it's kind of heavy stuff, and I thought it was quite a lot to throw in there right before he's doing his tour dates and an ad read, which you'll hear right at the end of this clip.
Guest:You know, he's throwing to some business he has to get to, which is, you know, ads and tour dates.
Guest:So I thought, you know, this is in a very easy way, not exactly a matching tone.
Guest:But, you know, again, if you're following Mark's life and trajectory and you've subscribed here to the full Marin, probably worth you hearing it.
Marc:Is there anxiety in the air everywhere?
Marc:Is that always the way it is?
Marc:Or am I projecting?
Marc:What is I don't know.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I do know that this time when I came back home, there's a different vibe going on, different feeling there.
Marc:And it's been sort of happening for the past few times I've come home where I'm starting to feel like I'm coming home.
Marc:Do you know what I'm saying?
Marc:There's that period of time.
Marc:I obviously came here to spend time with my dad and hang out.
Marc:and just be in this beautiful part of the world that I grew up in to see the effect it has on me.
Marc:Obviously, it's very bittersweet.
Marc:There's something very comforting about coming home.
Marc:It used to be that I'd get here, and I think I've talked about this before, that sometimes when you return home as a grown-up, you're like, what the fuck?
Marc:Man, I'm glad I got out of here, but I don't know.
Marc:Since I've hit 60, there's some part of me that seems to be regrouping psychologically and emotionally and spiritually when I come home.
Marc:It's almost like, okay, so I went away.
Marc:I got some stuff.
Marc:I did some things, and now I'm going to come home.
Marc:I know it's only been about 40 years.
Marc:But it was a long trip, did a lot of stuff, made some notes, got some stuff done, saved a little money, and I guess I'll just come home now.
Marc:But where to, right?
Marc:I mean, it's a bizarre feeling, but I don't know, maybe if you come from somewhere else, and I'm not judging you,
Marc:where you come from, but northern New Mexico really doesn't get any prettier than that.
Marc:And I'm getting very tired of people who, especially in my business, who work here, they do some time here, and you ask them, if I tell them I'm from Albuquerque, they're like, oof.
Marc:And I'm like, well, what did you do?
Marc:Where did you go?
Marc:Why are you judging it like that?
Marc:I mean, it's not breaking bad.
Marc:I mean, there's some beautiful pockets of this beautiful part of the country.
Marc:Listen to me now.
Marc:I'm just going to do a sales pitch for Albuquerque.
Marc:But I mean, I think sometimes you get here, you get locked into the work.
Marc:You don't really get out.
Marc:And not unlike any city, there's some bad and there's some good.
Marc:And it can be pretty dicey in certain areas, but there's certain parts of the city that are pretty fucking beautiful.
Marc:And I've been doing kind of a lot of soul searching and wandering about, wandering about the ditches down here in the Northwest Valley where I grew up.
Marc:And seeing the old man, I don't know, it...
Marc:It's okay.
Marc:It's not getting better.
Marc:It's getting a little worse.
Marc:He seems to be drifting away.
Marc:I do not know what his wife is going through on a day-to-day basis.
Marc:I know some of it.
Marc:It doesn't sound easy or good.
Marc:Very grateful that she's taking care of him.
Marc:But I'm just sort of locking in for the full fade-out.
Marc:But the experience has been okay and kind of...
Marc:I don't know, I guess I'm sort of emotionally shut down in certain ways when it comes to the people I'm closest to, oddly.
Marc:And that continues with the old man.
Marc:And then when I spend an hour or so with him and I drive away, I'm like, I don't know, man, I feel kind of depressed all of a sudden.
Marc:And you're like, to myself, I'm like, yeah, yeah, the guy who was your dad, who still is, is kind of...
Marc:kind of going away before your eyes.
Marc:And I know this is not an unusual or uncommon experience I'm having.
Marc:I've had some thoughts about it, but maybe I should do a little business here first.
Guest:Yep, that would go right into an ad.
Guest:And as you could probably tell, I don't think it was the smoothest transition.
Guest:So that's where we end this month on the producer cuts.
Guest:We'll be back next month with all the stuff that's been happening in the month of May.
Guest:And of course, there's always new episodes for you on Friday.
Guest:It's the Friday show.
Guest:And hopefully this is the start of another hundred episodes here every Tuesday on The Full Merit.
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