BONUS The Friday Show - Thank You, Amy Winslow
Marc:You know what I wonder?
Marc:How do people do podcasts on like a daily basis when they're in like a bad mood?
Marc:Like two days ago, my power went out at like two in the morning, which is fine.
Marc:It didn't hurt us.
Marc:Except when the power went back on, my fucking fire alarm went off and just startled me awake.
Marc:I thought, I don't know, the house was on fire or something.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Now I'm up and I'm just like, okay, my next day is just ruined.
Marc:Like I couldn't imagine doing a podcast.
Guest:So wait, is your day today ruined?
Marc:No, no, everything's fine today.
Marc:Oh, today's fine.
Marc:Yeah, I'm just wondering how the fuck do people pretend that everything's fun and happy?
Guest:Well, here's how it's supposed to go.
Guest:You're supposed to be able to do that because you're doing it for a living.
Guest:You're getting paid for it and you're a fucking professional.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:But the problem is no one is that anymore.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Everyone's just a fucking amateur.
Guest:So I don't know.
Guest:The answer is that's why there's a lot of shitty podcasts because you get people go on who are having a day and they try to act like they're dumb selves on a podcast.
Guest:And it's like, guess what?
Guest:You're not that.
Guest:You're just a dude having a bad day.
Marc:Right.
Guest:right i've had plenty of those at air america so uh so yeah i that's the key to mark maron is mark maron is just like hey what you see is what you get and i'm gonna let you know that at all times that's part of the show yeah right so it doesn't matter if he wakes up in a bad mood yeah it's always better yeah
Marc:Hey, Chris.
Marc:Mr. McDonald.
Marc:Good to see you.
Guest:How's it going?
Guest:Have you been?
Guest:You go anywhere this week?
Guest:You go to the Citadel, the Bullet Farm, the Gastown?
Guest:Any place of interest for you?
Marc:I had a delightful day in the city on Friday.
Marc:That's like the Citadel, I guess.
Yeah.
Marc:I guess.
Guest:I was like, those are the places in the world of Mad Max.
Guest:It's just those three places and nowhere else.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:But the funny thing is, close enough by that you could drive there, I don't know, within...
Guest:a week maybe it's got to be less three days has to be yeah there's this lush green paradise right that no one found until these biker dudes like happen to stumble upon a horse out there yes yeah like like like it's so easy to miss but it is somewhere in the vicinity i saw somebody talking about mad max and they were like i hope that uh in the world of mad max like that's what we're seeing the the wasteland and everything and that's just australia
Guest:Yes.
Guest:But then everywhere else is totally fine.
Marc:Right?
Marc:Like you zoom out and they're like, I don't know.
Marc:They're fucking weird over there.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That was a week ago.
Guest:We saw that the last Friday opening day.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:You had tickets, IMAX tickets to Furio.
Guest:So I was very excited.
Guest:We showed up there and I hadn't realized this.
Guest:You had prime seats for us right in the middle row.
Guest:The most perfect seats imaginable.
Guest:And I was like,
Guest:oh, this kicks ass.
Guest:This is awesome.
Guest:And as I sat down and looked around the theater, I was like, oh, this movie's going to tank.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Like, I knew it in that moment.
Guest:I'm like, oh, no one's here.
Guest:Chris got the best seats in the house.
Guest:This thing is, no one's going to see this.
Marc:We're the only sickos.
Marc:And you were right.
Marc:I was right, yeah.
Marc:Only $30 million or something.
Guest:Yeah, but here's the problem.
Guest:It's like,
Guest:It's not fair to the movie.
Guest:Like, I watched the movie.
Guest:I enjoyed the movie very much.
Guest:I think Fury Road is one of the greatest movies ever made.
Guest:Neither of those movies are, like, for, like, my parents.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Or at least not my mom.
Marc:For everyone.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like, my mom, who would, like, gladly go see, like, you know, Iron Man 3 or whatever, if my dad were like, oh, let's go see this.
Guest:She ain't going to see no Mad Max anymore.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, and it's just like that.
Guest:That's the deal.
Guest:This is.
Guest:And so the idea that this should be some like Hollywood saving tentpole movie is stupid.
Guest:Absurd.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And, uh, Oh, it's absurd and stupid.
Guest:You mean a Warner brothers movie?
Guest:Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Marc:Coming right up.
Marc:That's their wheelhouse.
Marc:Great job.
Marc:Bringing the flash.
Guest:But I did enjoy the movie.
Guest:I liked it very much.
Guest:I think it is somewhat inexplicable that they decided at the end of the movie, during the credits, to show scenes of Mad Max Fury Road, like the best scenes from Mad Max Fury Road, and then be like, okay, so go home and watch that.
Guest:I was like, wait, why?
Guest:Why are you showing me this thing I cannot have?
Guest:Like, I'm in an IMAX theater.
Guest:This looks and sounds awesome.
Guest:You're showing me the greatest scenes from one of the greatest movies ever made.
Guest:And now you're like ushering me out of this theater is the cruelest thing I've ever sat through.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:That was especially cruel at that moment.
Marc:Like, don't even include that.
Marc:Don't remind me that there was a beautiful movie that I'll never be able to see in this setting.
Marc:In this setting.
Guest:Also, hey, WB, how about release it alongside the other movie?
Guest:Like, you don't like money?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's like they didn't figure this out.
Marc:Like, oh, people are going to want to see Mad Max.
Guest:I would have sat through it right now.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Like we went to a double feature of Kill Bill.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And, and, you know, we didn't blink.
Guest:We're like, oh, sure.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We'll sit through that.
Guest:It's four hours.
Guest:This is Mad Max.
Guest:It never stops.
Guest:It's like, it's a two hour chase.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And, and it behooves you to watch Fury Road right after.
Marc:Right after.
Marc:It's just like Kill Bill.
Marc:One goes into the other.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's, it's perplexing, honestly.
Guest:Uh, well, when they let us run Hollywood, we'll fix all these problems.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Don't worry, everyone.
Marc:We're on it.
Marc:We have a list.
Guest:There's, there's that very stupid, uh, uh, family guy, Star Wars, uh, parody thing.
Marc:Blue, what was it called?
Marc:A
Guest:blue harvest yeah blue harvest because that was the working title for star or the hit the fake title of star wars like when they were filming it in the desert there right on the clapboard it says blue harvest because it was just to conceal this is a space movie right uh which now that i think about it they talking about that milk
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:It's about cows.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But, uh, in the, God, it gets such a tangent, but I'm going on.
Guest:Anyway, there's a part in that.
Guest:If you've never seen this, it's like family guy did a thing where they just, you know, parodied star Wars.
Guest:It's basically like an airplane style parody of star Wars, but with all the family guy characters and,
Guest:And there's that one shot when the Death Star, this is, you know, the first Star Wars movie, when the Death Star becomes operational and they load it up.
Guest:You see a guy's hand, like, you know, push the lever and then it boop.
Guest:And then you see, like, the tunnel where the Death Star Ray shoots out of and it blasts through there.
Guest:And if you remember the movie, there's, like, two guys that are just, like, standing there when that happens.
Guest:And...
Guest:The family guy thing decides that after the Death Star shoots and blows the planet up, it will go back to those two guys who are complaining that there's no railing where they're standing.
Marc:I love that so much.
Guest:and they're like you just catch them like in the middle of the complaint and the one guy's like one railing that's all i said just put a railing there and the other guy's like well what did they say to you he goes get this they said they're afraid we'd be leaning on it and the other guy's like oh man that is such bullshit and the first guy goes yeah well none of this is gonna matter when we're famous musicians
Guest:I feel like that was just us right here.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:It's that second beat that really, really knocked it in the hole.
Guest:That's great.
Guest:Well, aside from that, that was about all I did last week.
Guest:It's been, it's been busy here for me.
Guest:Otherwise, is there anything I should have been paying attention to that I did not particularly now because I am a, a social media outcast.
Guest:I don't,
Guest:I don't participate.
Guest:I've dropped out.
Guest:So where am I at?
Guest:What am I missing?
Guest:Oh, man, you're missing some good shit.
Guest:I got to say.
Marc:All right.
Guest:So I feel like this is going to come down to also to see how how close we are to something being totally removed from the real world or as a thing you're going to bring up something that has permeated.
Guest:And even though I'm off of all platforms, I've still picked it up anyway.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:We'll see.
Marc:So I have three stories for you.
Marc:The first story you most certainly missed since you're off of social media, and it's the latest short directed by Martin Scorsese.
Marc:Oh, I did not see this.
Marc:Please tell me.
Marc:There you go.
Marc:So, Mr. Scorsese, which I don't say his name out loud all that often.
Guest:But you're an Italian, so you can just say it however you want to say.
Marc:There you go.
Marc:All right.
Marc:So he can be heard directing his daughter, Francesca, in her latest TikTok.
Guest:But she's a big TikToker, right?
Marc:Huge TikToker.
Marc:But this one went viral recently.
Marc:Francesca Scorsese was doing the popular, we're so-and-sos.
Marc:So of course we so-and-so.
Marc:Do you know that trend?
Guest:I have no idea what you just said.
Oh my God.
Guest:That was crazy.
Guest:You spoke an alien language.
Guest:You're like one of those Mad Max guys who just says a thing that you expect it to be that thing.
Guest:And he's just like, oh, yeah, I'm the organic mechanic.
Guest:You're like, wait, what?
Guest:That's a thing?
Marc:It's a trend where people are like, oh, we're from New Jersey.
Marc:Of course we don't pump our own gas.
Marc:I see.
Marc:That sort of thing.
Marc:That makes sense.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So this one was about movie lovers.
Marc:So Mr. Scorsese can be heard telling his daughter to do it again with more pride.
Marc:The filmmaker actually gets in on the bit and can be seen going over the movie memorabilia in his house, showing off old cameras, Turner Classic movies in his private theater, props from movies that he made and loves.
Marc:It's honestly a charming TikTok.
Marc:And Martin Scorsese looks both proud and thrilled to be working with his daughter and
Guest:Well, secret thing here is this guy has loved doing this for decades.
Guest:He always makes commercials.
Guest:It's like he'll do cameos in your shitty movie.
Guest:He loves this stuff.
Guest:I feel like a guy like him...
Guest:like he relishes that this, that that's his version of like going to wrestling.
Guest:You know, it's like, he's like, ah, you mean I get to just turn my brain off and I do this thing that like, there's this thing that I like, but it's meaningless.
Guest:And so I'll just do it.
Guest:Great.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Perfect.
Guest:Because every other time he's invested in film, clearly it's something he loves.
Guest:It's like me working on this podcast.
Guest:But then I'm like, no, that's my job.
Guest:I have to work on it.
Guest:I have to put all of my brain into it at any given moment.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:I feel like he would be good at, him and Francesca, would be great at Cribs.
Marc:Remember that MTV show Cribs?
Marc:Oh, totally, yeah.
Marc:Yeah, I feel like they would have a really fun Crib episode.
Guest:I can't believe no one has done actual Cribs on, like, social media, TikTok or Instagram Reels.
Guest:I know.
Guest:like not i don't mean like approximated or i'm sure people do house tours and that i mean someone buy the like go to viacom or even if you are viacom make cribs in the exact style use the graphics use all that stuff but do it using the tiktok or insta reels apparatus where you just have to hold the button down for you know and release and that's your edit points and everything yeah and
Marc:do cribs like everyone loved cribs everyone it was so fun to see these famous people's houses and how they live like yeah it's like i would i would want it for maren i would by the way that is never not fun like it's literally in citizen kane there's like a movie reel where they're like look at where he lives in xanadu like there's it's as old as that
Guest:Yes, everyone loves this.
Guest:Lifestyles of the rich and famous.
Guest:There's never been a time in culture where people are like, I guess, you know what, I'll pass on seeing that mansion.
Marc:No thanks.
Guest:Everyone wants to see it all the time.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Like, I went to Kurt Russell's house, and I had to stand in line to go to use his restroom, and I'm in Kurt Russell's home.
Marc:And it was fascinating to see the little knickknacks and stuff.
Marc:So, yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I would be like, if I were just waiting, because you were at a wedding, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it was outside?
Marc:Well, the wedding was outside, but the house, obviously, you know.
Marc:Right, right.
Guest:But so you're not in the house the whole time.
Guest:You're just in the house to do the bathroom.
Guest:No.
Guest:So in that period of time, I would have been like the fucking Terminator.
Guest:Like, just like if you looked in my eyes, it would just be like, I'd just be like mentally capturing everything.
Guest:There'd be like, there'd be like little writings saying like what everything was like, oh, you know, snake Plissken eye patch, you know, like, yeah, yeah.
Marc:So Brendan, all of this to say, you're a movie lover.
Marc:I am.
Marc:What in your house would indicate that to the people listening at home?
Guest:Well, the thing that's right behind me, the You Got Me, which is the poster from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood of, it's a movie poster in Italian for one of the spaghetti westerns that Rick Dalton did.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:I believe this one is, kill me quickly, Ringo, said the gringo.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:That's my personal favorite, obviously, since I gave it to you.
Marc:But yeah, that's a good one.
Guest:All right.
Guest:There's that.
Guest:I mean, that's definitely like the most prominent one because it's the biggest.
Guest:I have a Jaws poster that's very subtle.
Guest:It looks like it's supposed to be just like a landscape poster.
Guest:picture like you would see in Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket, and it says Amity under it.
Guest:But if you looked at it closely, you see that the sunset, the clouds in the sunset are forming the shark's head.
Guest:It looks like the mouth is eating the whole horizon of the island.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:That's a good one.
Guest:But that's more of the flavor of what I've got.
Guest:It's not like I have an
Guest:actual jaws movie poster right it's that right and so that's what's kind also my bookshelves are littered with you know movie books yeah same same here how about you what's your most prominent uh probably the movie books i have a ton of movie and television uh books that i uh that i have read over the years
Marc:Um, like the, the Vertigo book being probably the one I've read.
Marc:I mean, weirdly the most.
Marc:Um, but yeah, I, I have a couple of movie posters that I don't have up currently, but I do have them in like rotation.
Marc:Uh, so yeah.
Marc:So same, same here.
Marc:Next up, uh, Rudy Giuliani has been in the news recently.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:All right?
Marc:So I know that he has, but are you going to tell me something I don't know about him?
Marc:I believe so.
Marc:All right?
Marc:So the feeble, disgraced mayor, former mayor of New York City, left his mic unmuted.
Marc:Oh, no.
Guest:Of course I know this.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I'm not talking to you about this, okay?
Marc:Okay.
Guest:But that was hilarious.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I mean, like, if you're going to do the naked gun in real life, please be Rudy Giuliani where you're doing it.
Yes.
Marc:Man, his fucking piss sounded like you left a faucet on and it was like slightly, you know, dripping onto the basin floor.
Marc:It was hilarious.
Marc:But no, it's not about that.
Marc:It's that Rudy Giuliani has a new business venture and it's coffee.
Marc:Oh, I did.
Guest:I did.
Guest:I didn't click through on this, but I did see his coffee headline.
Marc:Yeah, so suckers can now buy Rudy-endorsed coffee.
Marc:Rudy begins the social media ad for his new coffee venture by stating, you all know I stand by the truth.
Marc:And if I put my name on something, I truly believe it.
Marc:Rudy coffee comes in three variants, decaf, morning, and bold in what he calls light on your stomach and chocolatey.
Marc:Brendan, Rudy does not yet have a catchphrase for his new coffee.
Marc:Would you be willing to license Mark's pal, I just shit my pants, for Rudy's coffee?
Guest:I mean, I would just license that for him in general, because I'm sure it's happening multiple times a day, coffee or not.
Guest:That is definitely a guy shitting himself a lot.
Guest:And I don't even mean, like, because he's scared.
Guest:Like, just look at that dude.
Guest:He's shitting himself.
Guest:Also...
Guest:Does the coffee have as its logo the picture of him with black shit dripping out of his skull?
Guest:Because that's like, I would absolutely use that.
Guest:Like, it's like, it's so good.
Guest:It comes out of your skin.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:also i love that he says that he stands by the truth like an obvious lie negating literally everything after it right yeah oh yeah but also like if he means like when he says stand by the truth he means that he stands back as the bullet train of truth and reality yeah i stand away from it let me stand by this
Marc:All right.
Marc:Last story for you that you may have missed with your social media blackout.
Marc:It's OpenAI has suspended its chatbot voice named Sky.
Marc:Oh, well, this is a huge story.
Marc:So I didn't miss this.
Marc:Oh, OK.
Marc:All right.
Marc:So you know that this Sky, it sounded a lot like Scarlett Johansson in the 2013 Spike Jonze film Her.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And they introduced it as such.
Guest:They were like, ladies and gentlemen, her.
Guest:And the voice came on.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So in a letter published by Johansson on Twitter, she says that OpenAI reached out to her about voicing this chatbot.
Marc:She declined, but the company just plowed ahead anyway with a voice eerily similar to hers.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So this chatbot can respond to verbal questions from users to mimic a real-time conversation.
Marc:Brennan, I got to ask you.
Marc:Which celebrity voice would you want to hear to be your artificial intelligence friend?
Guest:You know, I don't buy it.
Guest:I don't think anybody really wants that.
Guest:No?
Guest:No.
Guest:Because they've tried with GPS, and it's never taken off.
Guest:It's a niche thing.
Guest:A few people think it's fun to have Samuel L. Jackson tell you to turn left or whatever.
Guest:But I don't think... I think that the...
Guest:The reason why Siri is a known commodity in Alexa, and I'm sorry for setting those off in your houses because I just said those, but an anonymity of the calm voice is important with these things.
Guest:Which is why ScarJo is perfect, right?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And the craziest thing that I've ever found out was when that movie came out, before I even saw it, I remember the premise, you know, seeing the trailers and it's like, oh, that's perfect.
Guest:Like, if you're gonna make a movie about a guy falling in love with his AI, like, the voice you want is Scarlett Johansson.
Guest:It's like one of the most distinctive voices in terms of, like...
Guest:If you could dream up a voice that you could fall in love with, there you go.
Guest:That's perfect.
Guest:It's crazy that she was a replacement.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Who was she a replacement for?
Guest:It was Samantha Morton.
Guest:filmed the whole movie, they filmed the whole movie with Samantha Morton on set with Joaquin Phoenix acting opposite him just off camera.
Guest:But they were, you know, he wanted the relationship to be so close that that's what he, you know, he had her on the set.
Guest:And it was just one of those things where they, it was like Finding Nemo where they watched it with William H. Macy and they were like, this isn't working.
Guest:And they just completely cut the whole,
Guest:performance and replaced it with albert brooks it was the same thing here where they just cut the entire performance and had scarlet come in and do the part you know from scratch and she's like the most it's the most perfect casting and it's like oh crazy that it didn't happen in the first place but so like of course these silicon valley knobs are going to try to steal that no matter what like they know it's perfect so they're like
Guest:What can we do to top Siri or Alexa or whatever?
Guest:And it's like, well, we can get Scarlet.
Guest:Period.
Guest:Right?
Guest:And then she turns them down and they're like, yeah, we'll just do it anyway because we're assholes.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:But I think you're wrong.
Marc:I think –
Marc:I think as time goes on, there is going to be a want for different types of AI voices.
Marc:So what happens?
Marc:Let's say hypothetical that one day one of these companies, these tech companies, approach you and Mark.
Marc:And their pitch is they want their AI companion to act and sound like Mark Maron.
Marc:There are over 1,500 episodes, right, at their disposal.
Marc:Like, they can have Mark say anything at this point.
Guest:Look, I'm not Mark.
Guest:It's up to him.
Guest:But, like, that's a fucking no-brainer.
Guest:Like, of course.
Guest:Why would you not do it?
Guest:Like, if anyone is...
Guest:perverse enough that they want mark like talking to them all day long go for it like please yeah i think there is going to be a desire for that honestly if it ever got to the point where you're correct and it's just ubiquitous and you just pick whatever you know famous voice you want talking to you i would pick like danny devito yeah
Guest:Like, it's like I want – it's like because they want calm, right?
Guest:I think people are wrong when they're like thinking of like the famous voices that are like real in your face.
Guest:Like I said, like Sam Jackson or something like that.
Guest:I don't think that will get you through your day.
Guest:I think it would actually, you know, enhance your nerves, right?
Guest:I think you want like somebody – like you pick somebody who you have a mental picture of that is like –
Guest:totally chill like when you think of danny devito you're like that guy's never had a problem in his life even though i'm sure he has plenty every day but you're like that's guys he's like the easiest going guy there is and he's fun he's nice he gives me happy feelings like that's what you would want you'd want like somebody to be like hey wake up don't you want to get started with today and you're like i sure do thanks ai danny devito
Marc:I can just imagine someone having the Yoda setting.
Marc:Oh, that would get tired real fast.
Marc:Yeah, but also, what are you saying?
Marc:Can you say that actual sentence?
Marc:Why is it all out of order?
Marc:Coffee I made.
Marc:What the fuck?
Marc:That's why I think AI Marc Maron would be great.
Marc:Like I just ask him a basic question and he's just appalled like Marc would be.
Marc:He's like, really?
Marc:That's what you want to know?
Marc:Jesus.
Guest:I can tell you as someone who basically has AI Marc Maron in my life already –
Guest:That it's not a bad thing.
Guest:I've been doing it for 20 years and I don't stop doing it.
Guest:So obviously I'm okay with it, but I will say I have had to erect many boundaries around AI Mark Maron.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so like, I don't know if this, if this product you're talking about comes with user settings where you can highly customize it, maybe it would work, but otherwise it would be a lot.
Guest:It'd be a hell of an experience.
Guest:Yeah, I bet.
Marc:I feel like Molly Ringwald would be a very good AI companion.
Marc:I love her voice.
Guest:I think both actors, it shows why they're actors.
Guest:They have great voices.
Guest:Like Tony Goldwyn has a very good voice too, which I realized while they were talking, cause Mark was like, you've done this before.
Guest:I was like, wait, he has to, Oh yeah.
Guest:He was fucking Tarzan, the Disney Tarzan.
Guest:Oh, I didn't, I didn't realize that.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I didn't realize that either.
Guest:I mean, I remembered it when I looked it up, but yeah, Molly Ringwald, I'm actually surprised she doesn't do more voice acting, but I guess, you know, as a singer, it makes sense that she has a pleasing voice.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Also, she has one of those voices where you can hear her smile.
Marc:I don't know if that's a thing.
Guest:Of course it is.
Guest:It's not only is it a thing, it's what they teach you in radio.
Marc:Yeah, I guess so.
Marc:Smile while you're on the mic.
Marc:She is a delight.
Marc:I also love that she does Duolingo every day, just like me.
Marc:It's great.
Marc:Oh, what are you doing it for?
Marc:Just for shits and giggles.
Marc:No, but what language?
Marc:Oh, Italian.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Do you ever do Duolingo?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I will at some point.
Guest:I just like, you know, add it to the list of things.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:It's fun.
Marc:It's cute.
Marc:It gets a little annoying, honestly, from time to time.
Marc:But I really enjoyed that.
Marc:Loved her talking about her Criterion closet and the Tempest like improv shit.
Marc:Like that must have been traumatic as like a teenager to have someone just go off script on you.
Guest:Yeah, I there's something, you know, something, you know, and she kind of I thought Mark did a good job in not like pressing her with it.
Guest:But, you know, because she can feel free to volunteer however much information she wants or doesn't want.
Guest:But like, you know, she said like, yeah, there was some when I was that age, there was plenty of inappropriate shit that happened to me in that.
Guest:And I was just thinking about like the disregard that was had for me.
Guest:young actors in general, but specifically young women, like, man, she must have been through some, she like has to be, have a lot of resolve to have dealt with the shit she probably dealt with in the eighties and nineties.
Guest:You know, it's just like the, the, the absolute cesspool of like sexual politics in Hollywood back then.
Guest:It couldn't have been easy.
Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, I loved how she responded to Mark saying that he's filming in Vancouver.
Marc:And she's just like, oh, okay.
Marc:I really thought that was really cute.
Guest:That was funny.
Guest:And then in this Thursday's episode, in the monologue, I don't know if you caught this, but he's like, oh, Vancouver, I don't know.
Guest:I may have...
Guest:Build it up a little bit.
Guest:I may have had a little fantasy going on here.
Guest:It's like, oh, really?
Guest:That nondescript city that no one else ever talks about but you?
Guest:No offense to Vancouver, but it's like, there's plenty of Vancouver's right here.
Guest:Like...
Marc:I mean, Vancouver's nice.
Marc:The planes, they land in the water there.
Marc:There's an island that's really fun.
Marc:But yeah, it's just like a nondescript city.
Marc:You know, there's really nothing to it.
Guest:Yeah, well, I remember he did a thing with a guy from that podcast, Canada Land, and they tried to tell him that.
Guest:They were like, really?
Guest:Vancouver?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:It's a lot of real estate speculating.
Marc:Dude, you got to try to get Monica Lewinsky on.
Guest:Well, I think he's right.
Guest:I think it was more explicit than he said to Molly.
Guest:He asked Monica Lewinsky, do you want to come do my podcast?
Guest:And she said no.
Guest:Oh, interesting.
Guest:Yeah, I don't know.
Guest:That happens all the time with guests where they're like, oh, I know so-and-so.
Guest:They should do your show.
Guest:And we're like, yeah, no, we've tried.
Guest:And they're like, they'll do it.
Guest:They'll do it.
Guest:And it's like, no, we've talked to them.
Guest:They don't want to do it.
Guest:Look, if I were Monica Lewinsky,
Guest:and if I asked for advice from someone else, like I'm like the good advice to get would be like, yeah, don't do that.
Guest:You know, you control your narrative from now on.
Guest:Don't let anybody else take you down any paths.
Guest:You're like, you're in charge.
Marc:And that, that was another good, um,
Marc:thing that they kind of got to the bottom of where um molly uh lost a friend because of what she said in a book and uh and like that's that's basically what mark you know kind of drilled down to is just like people just want to you know own their narrative you know so so yeah i totally get that
Guest:By the way, you were there for what Mark described in the intro of not recognizing Molly Ringwald at his Montclair performance.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Were you the one that was like to Mark, like, hey, do you know that's Molly Ringwald?
Guest:I was about to.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:So, yeah, this was after his show at Montclair.
Guest:I was there.
Guest:Chris was there.
Guest:And, you know, it was like he sometimes just comes out to the crowd.
Yeah.
Guest:After the show.
Guest:And, you know, there were people in the audience that I wanted him to meet, you know, people who had, you know, we've made charitable donations toward things like that.
Guest:And I wanted him to, you know, match a face with the name and that kind of thing.
Guest:And so I was about set to go backstage and get him and he just came out.
Guest:So I wasn't like, but so when that happens, I'm starting to be like, I have to be in like corral mode, like Wrangler.
Guest:And, uh, and it's like, okay, I'm working now.
Guest:Like this is like, I, we stopped, I stopped watching Mark's performance and now I've just clocked in.
Marc:Right.
Guest:So I'm like, I'm like, uh, what's his name?
Guest:Tony Hale.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:From Veep.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Like I, so I'm like walking him through like with these people and telling him like, Oh, and this is this guy.
Guest:Remember doing that thing.
Guest:And, uh,
Guest:And then I see Molly Ringwald standing there.
Guest:I know it's fucking Molly Ringwald.
Guest:To me, unmistakable.
Guest:But she did have these big pink sunglasses on.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I did not recognize her.
Guest:Color coordinated to her outfit.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I'm like, oh, that's nice.
Guest:She came to his show.
Guest:That's very cool.
Guest:And I didn't... Like, I'm seeing her.
Guest:It's almost like a reception line, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Then there's some incoming traffic of people who are just fans.
Guest:And they're like, oh, my God.
Guest:Because the audience had kind of cleared out.
Guest:But not totally.
Guest:Not totally.
Guest:And there's nothing I'm saying about this that is wrong.
Guest:These people were absolutely right to do this.
Guest:If you see Marc Maron and you're a fan of his, go say hello.
Guest:There's nothing wrong about this.
Guest:But because of that, I think in his head, he was just in like fan zone.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Like, and he's, I don't think he'd talk to any of those people and he'd be, they'd say, oh, he was real ungracious or anything, but he's just like moving through them.
Guest:Like, oh, thank you.
Guest:Thank you for coming.
Guest:Whatever.
Guest:I don't know you, but you know, like that's his brain is go like, this is a stranger, but it's a fan and I'm being appreciative and moving on.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I'm watching him do this and I see him get to Molly and her husband and I can tell he's still in that mode.
Guest:Like I'm watching it happen.
Guest:I'm like, he doesn't fucking know who that is.
Guest:Oh shit.
Guest:And like, he's like, thanks.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Thank you for coming.
Guest:And she says, she can tell, I can see it in her face.
Guest:She's like, he doesn't fucking know who I am.
Guest:And she's like, thank you for the tickets.
Yeah.
Guest:And he's like, yeah, yep, yep, yep.
Guest:Thanks for coming.
Guest:And like walks on by.
Guest:And she starts, and now like, I'm like, as soon as she passes me, I have to jump into him and be like, that's Molly Ringwald.
Guest:And she passes me.
Guest:And just as I'm getting ready to go move over to him, like the light bulb goes off over his head and he like whips around as they're walking away.
Guest:And he's like, Molly.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:and like he runs after them and then you know he spent some time like he basically like then like walked away with them to like a secondary aisle like so that they weren't by everyone else he did the right thing he like he gave some attention he calls me over he's like this is my producer blah blah blah and uh it definitely seemed like it was like like you know he he played it right but man oh man that was one of those like like grab your seat cushion kind of things like i was like oh
Guest:oh, this is going to be bad.
Guest:But the nose was pulled up.
Guest:It was all right.
Marc:And I feel like she probably can understand or relate.
Guest:She's probably done that.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:So I feel like no hard feelings there.
Guest:I just thought in the second, though, I was like, dude, you just talked to her.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Are you having that much face blindness right now?
Guest:Which I guess can happen, especially when people are out of context in
Marc:And also, he had just performed for an hour and a half.
Marc:He is drained, probably.
Marc:And then, again, like you said, in sort of talking to fans mode.
Marc:It's kind of a hard gear to kind of get into talking to people that you may have talked to already.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Absolutely.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So Molly Ringwald, great, great interview.
Marc:Very busy doing stuff.
Marc:But Tony Goldman really loved, first of all, just old school movie talk.
Marc:He went through the conception of like the lion roar and everything.
Marc:Really great stuff.
Marc:I feel like I went to like a master class on the history of movie theatering.
Guest:Look, everyone listening to this knows I edit all the shows, and so I listen to all these things.
Guest:And there are certain buckets that I put episodes into as I'm listening to them, as they happen.
Guest:And I would say that this falls into certain types of talks that are like nuts and bolts, okay?
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:and this happens sometimes and it's not it's not a negative it's not there's not a lesser or better uh category of show but like sometimes like when it's mark and like a comic friend and that becomes like it just becomes like shooting the shit right yeah there's some buckets of show that's like shooting the shit then there's some bucket of show that's like rags to riches like oh so you did nothing and then you became this right so they all have like
Guest:you know, kind of like mental categories that I put these in.
Guest:And this is like nuts and bolts.
Guest:This guy was going to tell you, here's my, here's what was happening with me from the time I got into show business to right now.
Guest:And here's the context of what I know about that, which a lot of it included his family.
Guest:And I said to Mark, after I listened to this, I was like, this was probably one of the best versions of that type of interview you've had because, and I, I, I attributed a lot to Tony.
Guest:That he that a lot of times I think people who are doing that kind of nuts and bolts talk, you know, then I did this and it happened because of this and it turned into this.
Guest:They have a set way to talk about it.
Guest:And if Mark has a question within it.
Guest:Sometimes they're like, yeah, I don't know.
Guest:I just kind of felt it.
Guest:He had no problem at any time actually thinking about it and being like, yeah, I didn't like that when I did it.
Guest:He was like, yeah, I made a movie.
Guest:I didn't like it.
Guest:It was this movie with Ashley Judd, and it was not good.
Guest:I was like, man, this is like, like I said, this is the ideal version of this type of talk because you get a lot.
Guest:Like you said, it's like a class.
Guest:You're learning about the industry, learning about how the sausage gets made.
Guest:But this guy has no compunction about just being like the script actually wasn't up to snuff until De Niro changed it.
Guest:You know, like I really enjoyed it on that level.
Marc:yeah yeah me too uh i i also loved like he like he thinks of his character from ghost as like a nice guy like what that might explain something dude why every waitress in new york hated your guts for 10 years
Guest:That guy was a nice guy.
Guest:You should have been out there apologizing.
Guest:You should have been like Bruce Willis in Die Hard 3 with a sandwich board, only not a slur.
Guest:You just should have said, I'm sorry for Ghost, and walked around with that all through your life.
Marc:I like that.
Marc:He kind of wants to recontextualize, kind of like how Cobra Kai, that TV show, recontextualized Johnny Lawrence.
Marc:Yeah, Johnny's not a bad guy.
Marc:Yeah, he's the good guy of Karate Kid.
Marc:Yeah, just...
Guest:This poor dude, he got caught up in a drug deal and he just had to kill Patrick Swayze.
Guest:It's unfortunate.
Marc:A tale as old as time.
Marc:Also, I loved Mark being like, so just tell me how to become confident as a director.
Yes.
Marc:Just.
Guest:But that was, that's another thing.
Guest:Like, do you know how many people we've had on that I can hear in their voice?
Guest:They're full of shit when, when it's like, yeah, and I just did it or whatever.
Guest:This guy, Mark was like, so did you feel good about it?
Guest:No, I didn't know what I was doing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know how reassuring that is for people, not just like directors or whatever, but just living your life.
Marc:Like to just know that people don't really know what they're doing.
Marc:They're trying hard, but like they don't know.
Marc:And I love that he was just like, yeah, don't try to do too much.
Marc:Like don't try to be like, oh, the camera, you know, be the camera expert.
Marc:Just be like, yeah, no, the camera guy is the camera expert and like this and that.
Marc:Like I love that.
Marc:Also loved the tenant talk.
Marc:I too did not get that movie, but I still like it.
Marc:I like that movie.
Guest:Well, apparently I saw an interview with Nolan recently where he was like, you're not supposed to get it.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:It's ungettable.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And it's like,
Guest:That's nice.
Guest:Like, I get it.
Marc:It's fine.
Marc:It's like seeing a thing.
Marc:It's like seeing Fantasia or something.
Marc:Right.
Guest:But it's also, it's like, I, you know, there is a guy called David Lynch.
Guest:Like, I know, like, that is intended to deliver that any time you watch one of those movies.
Guest:Like, Chris Nolan, on the other hand, like, I'm pretty sure anything he's ever shown me is, like, understandable.
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:I really enjoyed the producer's cuts this week.
Marc:But I will say Mark's cabbie is like my nightmare where he's just, you know, he's talking the whole time.
Marc:Like, I do not want a cabbie who's talking.
Guest:I agree with you here.
Guest:But I also I totally love when I show up in a new place and I meet some character and they tell me everything about the joint.
Yeah.
Guest:I do love that.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:But I agree with you.
Guest:Like, in New York City, I can't remember the last time a driver has said anything to me.
Guest:And it's not – like, again, this goes back to, like, this old myth of, like, New Yorkers are so rude and this and that.
Guest:It's like, no, we're busy and we know – we respect personal space.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I had a friend of mine who's from Kentucky and he moved to New York.
Guest:He lived here for quite some time and his dad came to visit and they went downstairs to the, you know, the apartment he lived in, they went downstairs to the bodega on the corner and
Guest:and they go in there and whatever they were buying simple stuff milk and whatnot and they get up to the front and his dad starts talking to the clerk like wow did you see this thing and blah blah blah and he's talking and the clerk is like ringing him up and then he you know brings bring put something in the back oh that thing do you ever think about this or that and my buddy
Guest:The son of the man who was doing this was like, will this guy shut the fuck up?
Guest:And he said it was in that moment where he realized, oh, all this thing about New Yorkers are rude.
Guest:No, this is rude.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, don't screw with my day.
Guest:Like, I'm just trying.
Guest:I'm trying to get through the day.
Guest:I don't need to hear your little bullshit about your nonsense thoughts that are going through your pinball brain.
Guest:Like, just leave me the fuck alone.
Marc:Yes, yes.
Marc:I 100% agree, for sure.
Marc:Also, Mark, in the bonus episode, he has a great turn of phrase that I really enjoyed.
Marc:He says, I have nothing against the people I don't know, which is such a nice phrase.
Marc:I kind of want to have that quilted on a napkin or on a pillow.
Guest:Yeah, put that across your couch.
Guest:Two or three pillows.
Yeah.
Marc:Also, so did you really think the headline, like what did you envision was the headline that would come out of seeing Nick Nolte's dick?
Marc:I saw Nick Nolte's dick.
Marc:As a 15-year-old, I saw Nick Nolte's dick.
Guest:Yeah, it's like one of those things where I'm like, if it was like a barn burner, I'd be like, all right, we'll take the hit if it comes to that.
Guest:But if I'm going to leave that in the episode and then I get a fucking angry, outraged call I have to deal with from Nick Nolte's publicist because there's some headline that presents him as a pedophile, it's just not worth it.
Guest:And so I was like...
Guest:All right.
Guest:If this story went in a different direction, maybe.
Guest:But as it was, that was total producer cut material.
Marc:For sure.
Marc:Also, Mark is Marcus on Wikipedia.
Marc:It's crazy because it's just not true.
Marc:And it's just there.
Guest:It's just there.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:There's also something on his IMDb that he can never get off no matter how many times he tries to have it expunged.
Guest:It says that he was in Sharknado 3.
Hmm.
Guest:What a bizarre credit.
Guest:Totally.
Guest:And he's like, it's not like, he's like, at that time, if I was asked to do Sharknado 3, I probably would have done it.
Guest:Like, whatever.
Guest:It looks like whatever part they attribute to him was like some quick cameo part.
Guest:He's like, I did worse things than Sharknado 3.
Marc:Sure.
Guest:Just not true, though.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He's like, I just don't get it.
Guest:Why is it there?
Guest:It's like, there's a thing with Andy Kindler.
Guest:the comedian that he used to, he, that there was a character on WWF wrestling called Jameson.
Guest:And he was like this nerd who like, at some point he was like the manager of the Bushwhackers or something.
Guest:And he was not a wrestling guy.
Guest:He was an actor named Andy Kindler.
Guest:And,
Guest:And this has cross pollinated with Andy's IMDB and he can't get it off.
Guest:Like Andy, the comedian is now forever Jameson, the guy from wrestling.
Guest:And, and he, he's, he doesn't look like him really.
Guest:But I think if you didn't know them, either of them and you're like, Oh yeah, that's it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You were Jameson, right?
Marc:And you're like, no, I was not Jameson.
Marc:That's amazing.
Marc:What a weird thing.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Basically the, the answer is never believe anything.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Apparently.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Also, uh, also Mark, Mark having that, that phrase, everything happens for a reason.
Marc:I fucking hate that saying so much.
Marc:Uh, yeah.
Guest:Most things don't happen for reasons.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And just, I, I just, I create, like I used to have a girlfriend that used to say that.
Marc:And I'm just like, no, no.
Guest:I'm like, I'm pretty sure it's all chaos.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:I like no country for old men.
Marc:That's, that's where I come down on this issue.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:But yeah, those are my thoughts on this week's episodes.
Marc:Great.
Marc:Wait a minute.
Marc:You didn't get to the tease.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:You know, the tease is outstanding.
Marc:You're doing a Kirby Enthusiasm week, which is phenomenal.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Larry was not booked when we did the one with Susie.
Guest:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:If you go back many weeks here, I laid out a kind of several weeks ahead schedule.
Guest:And I announced Susie's episode.
Guest:And we wound up moving that when we knew that Larry was booked.
Guest:So to have them both on the same week.
Guest:I think they also, both people asked to have, like both camps asked to air it in June because I think there's like Emmy voting is starting June 1st.
Guest:So that was, I think, the reasoning for that.
Guest:But not that Larry gives a shit, but that was the...
Guest:that was the word from his reps.
Marc:Uh, but yeah, that'll be next week.
Marc:Amazing.
Marc:Uh, I actually just watched over the weekend, uh, all of curb you enthusiasm season 12.
Guest:The last one.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I'm all caught up.
Marc:Uh, great.
Marc:I loved the little clip that you, that you, uh, elected to play though.
Guest:Like, to me, like, I was like, that is a tease.
Guest:Like that's, that's the tease.
Guest:that's that was the perfect though like perfect like oh we should have just uh taped the thing we did why would you say that why would you say i love that he says why would you say that to me like why would you like it's it's like he knows it's not it's not something they would ever have actually done so it's just the fact that he's even saying it now it's like it's just so offensive
Marc:Loved it.
Marc:Loved it.
Marc:Great tease.
Marc:Can't wait.
Marc:So, yeah, really exciting week next week.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:I also did want to bring up something that was mentioned in that Thursday episode, that it's something that is important to me and Chris because, you know, we worked, as you know, if you've been listening to this, we worked at Air America Radio.
Guest:And Mark mentioned that one of our coworkers there, Amy Winslow, died of cancer last week.
Guest:And Chris, honestly, I was thinking about this.
Guest:We probably would not be doing this right now, you and me, if not for Amy Winslow.
Guest:She brought you into Air America.
Marc:Yes, that is 100%.
Marc:And I can still remember to this day my interview with her because I interviewed with her.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It was like one of the best interviews because, you know, first of all, she is such a warm and welcoming person.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And she's always has been, you know, from that moment and, you know, onward.
Marc:Always just like this nice, beautiful person.
Marc:And that interview was great.
Marc:I, you know, she was like, oh, you worked at WNEW.
Marc:So did I. And, you know, I just, I happened to like rattle off some names of people that she used to work with.
Marc:And I kind of just knew in that moment,
Marc:I mean, maybe it was an act or maybe it wasn't, but she was just like, I get you.
Marc:You get me.
Marc:We're going to, you know, you're, you're coming in on this.
Guest:I don't think that was an act at all.
Guest:Like, yeah.
Guest:Amy was quintessential outer borough, New Yorker.
Guest:And then on top of that, a, a, you know, dyed in the wool, New York radio person.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And that,
Guest:those things, they all stick together.
Guest:You know, it's like they, they, they, uh, everyone in those circles, they know their people.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And so, uh, yeah, I was texting with Sam Seder and, uh, he was saying, you know, she was one of the good ones there, like in all facets, like not just as a person, but like, she knew what she was doing, which, yes,
Guest:I don't want to smear everybody at Air America because there were plenty of talented people, as we know from what they've gone on to do.
Guest:But in terms of a structure, it's very fair to say that there were a lot of people who, you know, this was their first time trying to make a situation like this work, right?
Guest:A radio network.
Guest:And so whatever expertise they had in their life, it didn't necessarily apply to doing a daily slate of radio programs.
Guest:And
Guest:Amy like if she wasn't there she's one of those people where if she wasn't there there were a few people like that that right off the get off the bat if they had not been there the whole thing would have fallen apart right away it was like her and remember that guy Juan Diaz who like oh sure
Guest:He would just get things running again when they were not running.
Guest:And it's like there were certain people who, if they weren't there at those earlier years, it would have ended much sooner than it actually did.
Guest:So those are professional accolades for her.
Guest:But I want to stress what Mark said on the air and what Chris is saying now is that she was just a beautiful person of heart and soul and loved our show.
Guest:Absolutely loved Morning Sedition, like genuinely loved it.
Guest:And yeah, super sad to hear about that.
Guest:But we would be absolutely remiss if we didn't pay tribute to her and how integral she was in us continuing to do what we've done for the rest of our lives.
Marc:I mean, the fact that I would not, you know, been on your show, of course, but, like, I have friends for life because of her.
Marc:You know, I'm really sad I was never able to properly say thank you.
Marc:And just one of those things where, like –
Marc:you know 59 she was she died at 59 yeah and like it just you know you just never know when time is up you know and i i just i i wish i could go back and say thank you yeah yeah i mean like hey listen that's that's good advice at any time it's like hey tell people what you're thinking about them whenever you think of it yeah and uh
Guest:And that's for sure true.
Guest:So Amy Winslow will absolutely be missed, but she lives on in great memories I have of her and legitimately one of the people that gives me good memories of Air America Radio.
Guest:It's a better experience in my life because she was involved in it.
Guest:Yeah, 100%.
Guest:That's one of the things from this past week.
Guest:Anything else from this past week that you have been thinking about or you have on your agenda, Chris?
Marc:I mean, besides, Mark needs to learn how to play Jenga.
Marc:He's never played Jenga before.
Marc:Mark is not a games guy, if you haven't figured out.
Marc:Oh, no.
Marc:He's a flip the table over guy.
Marc:But he doesn't play like trouble or like sorry.
Marc:No.
Guest:He plays sorry, but not the kind you're thinking.
Guest:He's really good at it actually at this point.
Marc:Dude, I was playing Jenga.
Marc:So on my mini honeymoon, we went to like the Florida Keys and we flew out of Miami.
Marc:So we were coming back to Miami, but we went to like the Miami Marlins game.
Marc:And they have like a nightclub.
Guest:Oh, like they have human Jenga or giant Jenga.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, they have giant Jenga in the back there.
Marc:So my wife and I are playing Jenga, and some guy, some drunk guy's like, hey, man, I don't want to be rude, but I kind of just want to crash into this Jenga.
Marc:And I was like, you know what, my friend?
Marc:Go for it.
Marc:And so I take a slow-mo video of him crashing and ruining our Jenga.
Guest:And that man's name was Kiefer Sutherland.
Ha, ha, ha.
Guest:So it was a while ago, everybody.
Guest:He's better now.
Guest:Better in a long time.
Guest:Well, if you have any Jenga tips for Mark or any other games he should... That's not a bad idea for a series.
Guest:Teach Mark a board game and see if he can get through it without him getting furious.
Guest:If we had a YouTube channel, I would totally do that.
Guest:What do you mean three steps back?
Guest:What the fuck?
Guest:Uh, if you have any suggestions, uh, send them to us in the comment section there.
Guest:We've got a little bit of time here before we wrap up today.
Guest:And so I will go through some of the things we've had sitting in the mailbag.
Guest:It's getting quite big, but you know what?
Guest:Keep them coming.
Guest:We'll just do this every week.
Guest:We'll get through some things.
Guest:I wanted to address John from Albany right away though, because he made me realize I had misstated something.
Guest:Hmm.
Guest:And it was a total Mandela effect kind of thing.
Guest:It says, Brendan says he has only sat courtside once at an NBA game, a Knicks preseason game in Albany.
Guest:I did a spit take.
Guest:I may have been at that game.
Guest:Was it against the Spurs?
Guest:And when he said this, I thought about it.
Guest:I was like, was it against the Spurs?
Guest:Let me think.
Guest:Who is it against?
Yeah.
Guest:Well, it was against the Miami Heat, wait, and the Phoenix Suns?
Guest:Because now I'm remembering the Miami Heat jerseys and the Phoenix Suns jerseys.
Guest:And then I remembered it was not a Knicks game.
Guest:It was weirdly, even though we were in New York and Albany, it was an NBA preseason game between the Miami Heat and the Phoenix Suns.
Guest:And I was like, why would I have gone to that?
Guest:And then I remembered what it was.
Guest:It was Pat Riley's first game after leaving the Knicks and becoming the head coach of the Miami Heat.
Guest:And that was kind of like the selling point was like, go and heckle Pat Riley for leaving the Knicks.
Yeah.
Guest:And everyone did.
Guest:I remember he was getting heckled the whole game.
Guest:Like, cause I was sitting courtside by the heat, uh, uh, bench.
Guest:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:And, and yeah.
Guest:And then like, I heard people, you suck Pat Riley.
Guest:We got Don Nelson now.
Guest:Like who ended up getting fired like halfway through the year.
Guest:But yes, so, John from Albany, I was not at the same game you were.
Guest:I was at a 1995 preseason game between the Miami Heat and the Phoenix Suns.
Guest:Did you heckle Pat Riley?
Guest:No, I was probably way too nervous to do that because I was 15 years old or whatever, and I'd be like, thank God.
Guest:kick my ass or get some basketball player to kick my ass or security escort me out of here.
Guest:That's the other thing.
Guest:It's like, you know, the people heckling are in the stands.
Guest:They're like way up high.
Guest:Like I was on the, I was on court side.
Guest:Like if I sneer at somebody wrong, they'd be like, get that guy out of here.
Guest:You can the old heave ho, you know?
Guest:For sure.
Guest:So yes, I was on my best behavior, but that was a great experience.
Guest:I did watch, you know, like I,
Guest:The greatest thing about sitting courtside at an NBA game is a dunk.
Guest:Why?
Guest:Oh, you'll never.
Guest:It's like what you think a slam dunk looks like on TV or if you've seen somebody do it at a park or whatever.
Guest:It is nothing compared to an NBA player doing a slam dunk on a professional basketball rim.
Guest:It's like a firework show.
Guest:Holy shit.
Guest:He just like killed that basketball hoop.
Guest:Like it was crazy.
Guest:I remember that.
Guest:I can, that's in my mind right now.
Guest:Like him doing it and pulling himself.
Guest:There's a guy named Michael Finley.
Guest:I remember him doing it.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:All right.
Guest:I guess I'm going to have to go closer.
Guest:It was one of those things where I could only imagine seeing Shaq in his prime do that, where he would destroy the, break the glass of the backboard.
Guest:It must have been like you were watching a Las Vegas casino get demolished.
Yeah.
Marc:yes yeah that that man what a time to have seen shack just destroy uh glass like yeah does that ever happen anymore like does that is that i'm not sure somebody would have to tell us because i don't watch enough nba but i think they've completely overhauled those backboards and everything i haven't seen it in a long time also there aren't shacks anymore
Marc:Yeah, that's the other thing.
Marc:I mean, there's a really tall guy.
Guest:There's tall guys, but there's no behemoths like a giant who will just be like, oh, I'm at the free throw line.
Guest:I'll just take two drop steps and dunk the shit out of this.
Guest:There's no point in me ever even shooting.
Guest:I can just kill the ball.
Marc:Right.
Guest:This is for you, Chris.
Guest:This came from an unnamed person, but they said, you mentioned wanting to come to Nashville, which is where I live.
Guest:And in the same episode, you guys are recounting your 90s movies and even mentioned 1999 being a good year.
Guest:Our beloved local indie theater, The Belcourt, is doing a 1999 retrospective in June.
Guest:Now, sure, you have the Criterion channel, but if you really want to come to Nashville, just come in June.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:I'm personally very excited because I love so many of these movies, but didn't get to see them in the theater since I was in ninth grade in 1999.
Guest:And you, Chris, you were the same thing.
Guest:You were not in ninth grade, but you were not going to movies very often in 1999.
Guest:That's you were saying a lot of these movies are new to you.
Guest:So, hey, just saying travel tip.
Guest:If you want to take a trip to Nashville, it's not just for all the honky tonk stuff.
Marc:You know, I listened to Billy's Strings once and I booked a ticket to Nashville.
Marc:What?
Marc:You did?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:When are you going?
Marc:Not June, though.
Marc:I'm going June 29th.
Marc:What?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But it is, I'm going to the Great Smoky Mountains.
Marc:uh, for a couple of days.
Guest:That's when this is right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So I'm going to actually be in Nashville proper July, like second and third.
Guest:So you still should look up what's, what's going on at the bell court.
Marc:That's what you should check.
Marc:Definitely going to do that.
Marc:And thank you so much for that tip.
Marc:And, um, also thank you to everyone who asked questions, but, uh,
Marc:I'm definitely going to check out the bell cord because that sounds like a great theater.
Guest:Well, let's just follow up on this 90s movies thing.
Guest:This person wrote in and said, might have missed it, but I don't think you guys mentioned Eyes Wide Shut, which, as Stanley Kubrick's last movie, is regarded for many reasons, not just for people who like it, for people who dislike it, to talk about it forever.
Guest:And yes, that was also a 1999 release release.
Guest:Just crazy.
Guest:And oversight on my part when I listed all those movies from 1999.
Guest:Not an oversight in terms of not being on my list.
Guest:It's not one of my favorite Kubricks, let alone a favorite from 1999.
Guest:But I do enjoy talking about it.
Guest:It's a movie that provokes a lot of discussion, a lot of thought.
Guest:It's got great shots.
Guest:Definitely something worthy of being on a list for checking out.
Guest:This person, Alex, said, in the litany of titles you went through, and I haven't actually heard you mention this one since the beginning of the Friday show, but the number one 90s movie for me is and always will be The Hunt for Red October.
Guest:Ooh, that's a fucking banger.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, like, I guess it's like one of those things where it's like, there's probably 30 movies that you could say that would make me do the exact same thing.
Guest:You go like, oh, yeah, that one.
Guest:But it's like...
Guest:hey look there's like there's a limited room for a list of 10 there are 10 slots so uh no disrespect to uh the hunt for red october or sean connery or john mctiernan or the state of montana i i love it all uh now on your submarine movies would you rank hunt for red october ahead of crimson tide i like crimson tide better me too yeah me too
Guest:I mean, that's just like a personal taste thing, too.
Guest:It's like, you know, the Hunt for October is more like from the previous era.
Guest:And it was a callback to like, you know, Run Silent, Run Deep and these old submarine movies.
Guest:It has a really great feel.
Yeah.
Guest:Crimson Tide it's like cocaine like that's just like Tony Scott joint straight up and like Gene Hackman and Denzel Washington being the most that either of those guys can be and and then just fucking Gandolfini Viggo Mortensen it's just like that is that is a crazy good movie
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Very rewatchable.
Marc:Eyes Wide Shut for me is, is I guess complicated.
Marc:Cause like, didn't, didn't he die during the making of that?
Marc:He did.
Guest:And then they do that stupid thing where they put the like digital figures in front of the orgy members.
Guest:Like he, you know, cause he had like final cut.
Guest:So they weren't allowed to cut anything, but instead they could insert things.
Marc:Don't like that.
Marc:Don't like that at all.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So it's weird for me.
Marc:It's a movie.
Marc:If it was on TV, I would like, you know what?
Marc:I'm going to watch this again.
Marc:Just not really on.
Guest:Well, it also works in individual scenes.
Guest:Like if you needle drop a particular scene and you're watching and you're like, oh, there's that guy, that Russian actor.
Guest:He's real good.
Guest:And then you watch that scene or a Sidney Pollack scene or whatever.
Guest:And you're like, yeah, that's great.
Guest:And then you can move on with your life.
Guest:Right, right.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Well, we were talking about Air America.
Guest:I might as well get to this one.
Guest:And this was from Patrizia.
Guest:I started back in the Air America days, which was quite a commitment as I live in Seattle and had to wake up at 4 a.m.
Guest:to listen.
Guest:Well, if you're really devoted, you were working up at 3 a.m.
Guest:because I think that's when we started.
Guest:But I digress.
Guest:No, you were a super fan.
Guest:Thank you for listening at 4 a.m.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Now...
Guest:If you're talking about on the air with Ron Kuby, I don't know who was on the air with him.
Guest:I do know that Dan produced his show for a period of time.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So it's possible that Dan and maybe somebody else were on the mics with Ron.
Guest:It was definitely not me.
Guest:dan and i however did uh fill in for mark and mark when they would go on vacation and we hosted like air america during like downtime so you know if it's like a summer week where there was not going to be a you know big audience that we thought it would be like oh we'll just host it and we'll throw the clips and we'll do things like that and we wound up co-hosting katrina hurricane katrina
Guest:We were on the air around the clock, like breaking news with like the mayor of New Orleans.
Guest:And it was crazy.
Guest:Jesse Jackson.
Guest:That is an insane moment of my life.
Guest:I was like, oh, I guess I'm like an actual radio host now.
Guest:I have to do this job.
Marc:That was a wild fucking week.
Marc:Jesus.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Fun.
Marc:I mean, really glad we weren't doing best of, though, you know?
Guest:Oh, well, we were planning to and then we just had to blow it out.
Guest:Like it was like we were it wasn't it was going to be like a hosted best of like it was we were tossing to clips.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You're right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:That was wild.
Marc:I'm I don't even remember that all all too much.
Marc:I just remember it was very panicked in that studio.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Big time.
Guest:Okay, two quick ones and then we'll get out of here and we'll do some more of yours next week.
Guest:Look, we're just going to keep this rolling here.
Guest:Keep sending us stuff.
Guest:We'll keep going to your questions.
Guest:We don't have to cordon off a whole episode here or there.
Guest:We'll just keep this rolling.
Guest:So send us your comments at the episode description.
Guest:There's a link right there.
Guest:Send us whatever you want us to know.
Guest:And I saw this comment from Corey in Chicago.
Guest:I was wondering how you record the Friday show.
Guest:Do you guys record in the same room or live over a remote network?
Guest:The sound quality is great, so I can't really tell.
Guest:And thank you for that, Corey.
Guest:And the answer is what I think everyone should do when you have a remote network.
Guest:which Chris and I do.
Guest:We're not in the same location.
Guest:But what you should do is record each person natively, right?
Guest:Like a local recording of Chris, a local recording of me.
Guest:And then as the editor, I tape sync that and...
Guest:Put them together.
Guest:And that's what you're so what you're getting is me on my mic, Chris on his mic, and we're not being mediated by anything.
Guest:We are talking to each other over Zoom.
Guest:I have some redundancies in place here in case like something fails.
Guest:I can use the recording that I've pulled from Zoom.
Guest:And that's a little better than just if you just use the actual computer audio.
Guest:But no, what you're hearing are just like if Mark is on the microphone in his garage and I'm on the microphone here in my house.
Guest:I just merge those together and it takes more time, but it gives you better audio.
Marc:Yeah, I do wonder about us doing a show in the same room.
Marc:I feel like that would not... Well, we'd have to be in a studio.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Yeah, because I hate that.
Guest:It goes back to the early days of doing podcasting and when I just would talk to Mark about how easy it is to just set the situation up so that the room you're in sounds good.
Guest:And I would play him things from podcasts that were like...
Guest:People we knew.
Guest:And I was like, why did they... Listen to this.
Guest:This sounds like shit.
Guest:Because they didn't spend $20 on getting those egg crate buffers that you have or whatever.
Guest:And with these little simple things in the early days of doing podcasting, going back to what we were talking about earlier, it's like, that's the difference between people doing this professionally and people doing it in an amateur style.
Guest:And now you're in this situation where...
Guest:There's a lot more guidance about how to do it and how to do it right.
Guest:But I think so if you and I had to be in the room together, then, you know, it would it would just be something we'd have to adjust something we'd have to make do with.
Guest:Uh, okay.
Guest:Uh, last thing here, there's a quick one and an easy one to answer from Zach.
Guest:Uh, he says, I know Dave Anthony and Mark are buds or used to be anyway.
Guest:No, they still know each other, like each other.
Guest:Uh, and Mark has done the dollop Dave's podcast.
Guest:Uh,
Guest:and that Dave has done WTF, but where is Gareth's WTF?
Guest:That's Gareth Reynolds, Dave's co-host on the dollop, and I can tell you where it is.
Guest:It's on my computer, and it will be posted on June 27th.
Guest:In fact, I could go through the list right now and do what I haven't done in a while and tell you everything that's going to be on in the month of June because we have had to put a lot of stuff in the can,
Guest:And frankly, I don't think any of these can be moved.
Guest:I mean, I think if any of these get moved, it's because of a tremendous emergency that we've had to book some very prominent person and ask one of these guests if they could please be okay with moving to another date.
Guest:Because we've locked all of these in over the month of June.
Guest:You already know about next week.
Guest:It's Susie Essman and Larry David.
Guest:And then the week after that, I would circle...
Guest:June 10th, because I have I have not listened to this yet.
Guest:It's very long and I don't know how much we'll make it onto the show.
Guest:But Mark sent me almost two hours with Ed O'Neill.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And he Mark was thrilled with it.
Guest:He was like, that guy was great.
Guest:He was telling me all these stories.
Guest:And yes.
Guest:So Ed O'Neill circled that.
Guest:Also that week is the comedian Stavros Halikas, I think is how he pronounces his last name.
Guest:The Jude Law episode, which you've already heard about, will be on June 17th.
Guest:Geezer Butler from Black Sabbath will be on June 20th.
Guest:And then the week with Gareth Reynolds, who will be on Monday the 24th, is a very surprising one to us that it, A, even happened, and B, how enjoyable it was, is Jewel.
Guest:Jewel Jewel.
Guest:Jewel Jewel.
Guest:Not Richard Jewel.
Guest:Jewel.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:You got Jewel.
Guest:Yeah, Jewel.
Guest:That's awesome.
Guest:It was just one of those ones where it was like, okay, yeah, we love Jewel on the show.
Marc:And she was great.
Marc:Yeah, I bet.
Marc:I mean, she used to live in her car.
Marc:I mean, did she happen to play?
Marc:She didn't play, but she-
Guest:You know, I don't know.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:She, no, she didn't play, but Mark just said like, she's one of those people and it's probably like, you know, something she's done and worked on in her life.
Guest:And that, that she's just like one of those people who is immediately like locked into you.
Guest:Like she's just going to, like, she's going to ask you questions.
Guest:She's going to like, Oh, cool.
Yeah.
Guest:you know, the guy who's like the number one guy of that is Tom Cruise.
Guest:Anyone I've ever met who knows Tom Cruise or has talked to Tom Cruise is like, that guy is, he will so intensely listen to you and respond to everything you say.
Guest:Like he, like Tom Cruise is the, is the one guy in the world that being in a cult has worked out well for him.
Guest:He got all the benefits of being in a cult.
Guest:It totally worked.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, man.
Guest:And I'm not saying Jewel's in a cult, but I'm saying she has the same intensity and engagement that I've heard about Tom Cruise.
Guest:So, yes, that's the month of June.
Guest:Look forward to that, as well as, I will say, a great interview coming up on July 1st with Paul Scheer.
Marc:Holy shit.
Guest:That's awesome.
Guest:So that's your next month plus of WTF.
Guest:And glad to spill the beans on those.
Marc:24 2024 is like a banger of a year for this podcast we don't slow down buddy holy shit like we're like god can't stop won't stop no i'm in the i'm in the war rig i need you to i need you to pop out and turn that uh turn that tommy knocker on or whatever that thing was called i'm in the back with potatoes for some reason yeah exactly yeah
Guest:uh all right well that is it for us this week and as i said if you have anything else to add just send it to us go to the link in the comment section and uh particularly if you have stuff to add to the stories that we've been uh finding uh from the internet because apparently this is a popular thing uh that is one thing i didn't get to that people are writing and saying i like that you've added this component to the show oh
Marc:That's fantastic to hear.
Marc:So send those things in to us.
Guest:And until then, until the next time, until we see more from you, until you hear more from us, I'm Brendan, and that's Chris.
Guest:Peace.