BONUS The Friday Show - The Dad Movie Machine
Guest:What would you feed into our dad movie machine here for the criteria?
Guest:And he said, if it has the phrase, I want your gun and badge on my desk.
Guest:That's such a good one.
Marc:Hey, Chris.
Marc:Brandon.
Marc:What's happening?
Guest:How are you, man?
Guest:I feel like, you know, we talk a lot.
Guest:We're around each other a lot.
Guest:We do this thing once a week.
Guest:But I actually feel like it's been a busy week, and I don't know what's going on with you.
Guest:Is everything cool?
Marc:With me, everything's great.
Marc:You know, totally fine.
Guest:Spick and span?
Guest:Okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:Uh, but, but, uh, you know, there may have been some stories that you might have missed on social media.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like the world.
Guest:Well, let's see, because now we are into like, uh, it's been over a month where I've completely shut off social media in my life.
Guest:And, but I, I, I'm still, you know, fully engaged as like a person in the world.
Guest:I have work that I do every day that requires me to like know about the world and
Guest:And so I am interested.
Guest:I have a full routine that does not involve any apps.
Guest:My blackout continues and my life has continued apace.
Guest:So if there are blind spots, I'd like to know about them.
Guest:And you seem still pretty tapped in.
Guest:You got your reels.
Guest:You got your ticking and your talking and all this good stuff.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:What?
Guest:Where am I at?
Guest:Am I missing anything?
Marc:I'm actually, I'm curious to see if this broke through the firewall of social media, this next story.
Marc:Did it break containment?
Marc:Yeah, if it broke containment.
Marc:So this story I'm going to bring you is the curious case of Corey Harris and his driver's license.
Marc:So in May, a Michigan man named Corey Harris was supposed to appear in person for his court appearance regarding his ticket for driving without a driver's license.
Marc:The hearing is recorded on Zoom for all of us on social media to witness.
Oh.
Guest:I think I know what this story is.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:You said Michigan?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:I did see this.
Guest:Okay, keep going.
Guest:Tell the people this story because it's a great story.
Marc:So he was a no-show in person as the public defender announces to the court.
Marc:But as soon as she does, like a perfectly timed surprise wrestling entrance, he pops up on the Zoom feed with the camera rolling inside a moving car.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The judge, the Honorable Cedric Simpson, asks if he's driving.
Marc:Mr. Harris tells the judge he's just about to arrive at his doctor's office, so just give him a second.
Marc:The judge allows him to safely park the car and allows the public defender to continue.
Marc:She asks for an adjournment in the case to a later date.
Marc:The judge, piecing it all together...
Marc:This case is about this guy driving while his license is suspended.
Marc:And he was just driving while his license is suspended.
Marc:And he doesn't have a license.
Marc:The reaction in real time of Mr. Harris realizing just how much he fucked up is a reaction for the ages.
Guest:Yeah, I don't get why the guy didn't remember what he was being arraigned for.
Guest:Like, oh, it's that one?
Marc:Oh, shit.
Guest:Sir, why did you walk into the courtroom with a bloody knife for your stabbing arraignment?
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:I did see this because, you know what will never get lost on me like a good kooky headline?
Guest:Because in my RSS feeds when I'm going through the news, I see all of those things.
Guest:Like if it's like a weird headline, there's no way it's slipping past me.
Guest:I'm going to get it.
Guest:Especially if the more localized, the better.
Guest:Like, yes, that one, it sounds like that guy broke through and like made it to like national news.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But like I saw this one.
Guest:I tried to solve a murder and almost had a nervous breakdown.
Guest:I was like, yep, I'll be clicking on that one.
Guest:That's a great one.
Guest:It said, my true crime obsession led me to spend countless hours and thousands of dollars investigating a missing person's case.
Guest:I didn't crack it.
Guest:Oh, you think so, doctor?
Guest:You mean your bullshit hobby did not allow you to actually solve crimes the way like a skilled professional would have to do?
Marc:Weird.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:What are the chances?
Marc:Well, I don't know if you know, but there has been a twist in this case.
Marc:Oh, no, I didn't know that.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:So a judge in a neighboring county had ordered the suspension of Mr. Harris's license to be lifted two years ago.
Marc:Oh, so he thought, I'm all good.
Marc:Well, so first of all, the internet was a bit embarrassed for making fun of this guy, right?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:However, yet another swerve in this case is that the original judge, Judge Simpson, revealed that Mr. Harris has in fact never had a driver's license ever.
Guest:not in michigan not in hawaii nowhere oh man ended that next hearing with mr harris in being taken into custody so yeah wow this guy he he was he was skirting everything he like like it was like he had pulled off the bank heist and had made it out in the street and like his briefcase full of money fell open and the money all blew away
Marc:Or he got those ink packs where it just exploded.
Guest:And boom!
Guest:It's even more.
Guest:It's almost like a pelican just came by and flew by and took the briefcase.
Guest:It's like this total happenstance thing that he could have avoided.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So, yeah, that was the case, the curious case of Mr. Harris and his license.
Marc:All right.
Marc:So that broke through.
Marc:Not so much.
Guest:Did you get this one?
Guest:Did this one break through for you?
Guest:This was a headline I saw this week.
Guest:Jeep stuck in Missouri Creek for a week.
Guest:What's the holdup on pulling it out?
Guest:No, I did not.
Guest:I love how indignant the headline was.
Marc:Hey, guys, what's the holdup on this Jeep in our creek?
Marc:Is the author perhaps the Jeep's owner?
Marc:Is it like, can we speed this up maybe?
Guest:And here, wait, I'm going to send you this one because it's helpful if you see it and you read it.
Guest:I'm going to send you the text of what it looked like when I saw this in my RSS.
Guest:You read it out loud.
Guest:Breach baby born on Broadway.
Guest:Extra, extra.
Guest:Breach baby born on Broadway.
Guest:That's all I could think of.
Guest:I'm clicking on that.
Guest:Oh, I'd give that little paperboy five cents.
Guest:Yes, sir, for your story, you little cute little newsy you.
Marc:Well, this is a headline that has probably broken through, and it's Champ Joey Chestnut banned from the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest amid beef over sponsorship.
Guest:Yes, and I did hear that it's because he's being sponsored by Impossible Foods, which is plant-based meat.
Marc:Well, it is plant-based meat, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:No meat at all.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Basically, in a statement...
Marc:Major League Eating, which oversees the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest every July 4th, says that, quote, we are devastated to learn that Joey Chestnut has chosen to represent a rival brand that sells plant-based hot dogs.
Guest:Guess what, guys?
Guest:Not a rival.
Guest:It's not.
Guest:It's not.
No.
Guest:It's the opposite.
Guest:Yes, right.
Guest:You're for garbage, right?
Guest:Like your rival would be like if all of a sudden he was being sponsored by like, yeah, or waste management, garbage pickup.
Guest:Like that's the rival to the hot dog company.
Guest:Oh, I just learned Joey's Chestnut's being sponsored by heart disease.
Guest:So yes, that's our rival.
You're right.
Marc:So, yes.
Marc:So rather than competing in the 2024 Nathan's Famous 4th of July hot dog eating contest, Joey Chestnut is apparently banned from the event.
Guest:But now he's going to go do another thing anyway, where he fights the Japanese champion.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:It's like he was given, it's like, it's like you, it's like if you, a guy was falling off a cliff and you just at the last minute, you reached your hand up and you pulled them to safety and then you pulled them into your car.
Guest:And as you drove away, he jumped out the window as a speeding car.
Guest:Like, like you guy, you were safe.
Guest:They had saved your life.
Guest:You didn't have to eat 70 hot dogs again.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I know.
Marc:I love that Netflix saw an opening and took it.
Marc:They're just like, we will pay you money for you to eat garbage with this other famous person.
Guest:Hey, because that's what their product is.
Guest:They're like, this is what we do to everyone every night.
Guest:You sit on your couch and we just feed you garbage nonstop.
Marc:We literally call it binging.
Marc:Yes, it's on brand for them.
Marc:So I will say Major League Eating emphasized that Chestnut was not banned for life from competing.
Marc:Just as long as he's got this sponsorship?
Marc:Yeah, no, get this.
Marc:To come back, Joey Chestnut must renounce deals with brands that rival Nathan's.
Marc:Like this is the end of The Godfather.
Marc:Do you renounce Satan?
No.
Marc:Do you renounce non-meat hot dogs?
Marc:Oh, man.
Guest:Mo Green's going to get a corn dog in the eye.
Marc:Now, Brendan, our pal Dan Pashman has famously asked the question, is a hot dog a sandwich?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:My question to you is, is an impossible hot dog really a hot dog?
Guest:Uh, no, no, no.
Guest:A hot dog, a hot dog has, I mean, it's its own thing.
Guest:That's why I say the idea that it's a rival is, is nonsense.
Guest:This is a, this is a special product for different, differently minded people.
Guest:If you want a hot dog, that's like, it's, it's just like there's, there's a difference between seltzer and Coca-Cola.
Guest:They're not rivals.
Guest:Like a seltzer brand is a rival to water.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like if you're like, oh, man, I had Evian as my sponsor.
Guest:Now it's a seltzer companies coming along.
Guest:It's a conflict of interest.
Guest:But like the sugar water poison is different from seltzer.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Agreed.
Marc:Agreed.
Marc:Have you ever witnessed the Nathan's hot dog eating contest in person?
Marc:I have not.
Marc:No, I remember being there and seeing, look, I am averse to large crowds.
Marc:So there was a large crowd of people gathering for this hot dog eating contest.
Marc:And I just like went the opposite way.
Guest:No, listen, better question.
Guest:Have you ever been in a food eating contest?
Marc:I have been in a hot pepper eating contest.
Marc:Oh, is this a radio gag?
Guest:Yeah, yeah, radio gag.
Guest:No shit.
No shit.
Marc:classic rubbed up in oil while you did it and you like know what your pores or something you know what ron from ron and fez was mad at me because i was like this is a piece of cake like this like he was like it was funny the first time but now you gotta sell it like it like it actually hurts and it just so i had to like he didn't like that you did it so well yeah yeah i i i no sold the uh the hot peppers that i was nice so uh
Marc:So, yeah.
Marc:How about you?
Marc:Have you ever done an eating contest?
Guest:I won a pie eating contest at the fair, just like any country boy would do.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And I remember I made a very specific choice.
Guest:What was that choice?
Guest:uh picked a lemon meringue oh all right why why a lemon because i knew there would be less dense and and and like the meringue would just it looked like you had as much pie as everyone else but it was less pie
Marc:Huh.
Marc:And what did your opponents choose?
Guest:They had blueberry pie, cherry pie, and lemon meringue pie.
Guest:Those were the choices.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:I must say.
Guest:If you had me sit down to eat a piece of pie, I'd pick a cherry pie.
Guest:No problem.
Marc:Sure.
Guest:That would be easy.
Guest:And I don't remember this specifically, but I bet you the cherry pie would have been the last to go.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So dense.
Guest:Whoever was eating the cherry pie, so dense and so sweet.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:Oh man.
Marc:So how many pies did you, were you able to eat or was it just one pie fastest?
Guest:It was one pie fastest.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:All right.
Marc:That makes sense.
Marc:I was going to say, if you ate like 15 pies in like five minutes.
Guest:No, no, I don't think, A, they probably didn't have the money for that.
Guest:They're like, oh God, we got a stack of pies here.
Guest:No, it's one pie for everybody.
Guest:Second of all, this is a small county in upstate New York.
Guest:Second of all, I saw a standby meat.
Guest:Like I would not have wanted to be involved in that.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Well, I mean, the blueberry pie, I'm just like, oh, no.
Marc:Are you telling a urban legend?
Marc:And did someone throw up, Brendan?
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Well, great.
Marc:Well, good for you for eating a pie the fastest.
Marc:What was your time?
Marc:Was it like 45 seconds?
Guest:I don't remember.
Guest:I just remember I got it done.
Guest:I also remember another thing I did strategically was smeared it on my face a lot.
Guest:Oh, that's smart.
Guest:I put my whole face in the pie and was just rubbing my face around like that, and I knew my face would pick up a lot of it that I didn't have to eat then.
Marc:How old were you for this?
Guest:Probably like 12, 13, something like that.
Marc:You are a calculating motherfucker, huh?
Marc:I was going to win that fucking thing.
Guest:Totally.
Marc:What do you win for that buy?
Marc:Just like a ribbon?
Guest:Like a ribbon and $5, I'm sure.
Guest:Oh, that's great.
Guest:Oh, here, the 4-H club gives you five bucks.
Marc:That's great.
Marc:Well, I hope there is a eating competition in your future that doesn't give you heart disease.
Guest:Yeah, no, I hope there never is.
Guest:would you have your son do an eating contest i would like him to he doesn't eat anything i know he's very thin yeah yeah he's very picky and thin so i would like him to eat something all right well those are the stories that you i gotta tell you dude all this proves to me is that i did not make the wrong choice
Guest:I know everything you know.
Guest:I have no gaps in my area of information, including fun frivolity.
Guest:And I have still kept this toxic sludge of algorithmic feeds out of my life.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You're, you're doing the good job.
Marc:I am.
Marc:I'm still in the sledge.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:You just, you're just sponsored by Nathan's.
Guest:That's all.
Guest:Come over to my impossible team.
Marc:Oh, I'm there.
Marc:My wife, I mean, I probably won't ever eat a real hamburger or a hot dog ever again.
Marc:I'll just stick with this impossible food.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Are you going to go full vegan like Mark?
Marc:No, no.
Marc:I'm not going to go full vegan like Mark, but I'm going to just not stay off the red meats and the garbage tube meat.
Marc:So, yeah.
Guest:Tube meat.
Guest:That's probably a problem.
Guest:When they've shoved meat in a tube.
Marc:You're not getting the best, is all I'm saying, all right?
Marc:You're getting the garbage in your food, for sure.
Guest:Speaking, though, of Mark with his veganism, I think it does make a certain amount of sense, especially at a certain age, you're 60 years old, you have moved to that, it's fine.
Guest:That's kind of how I feel about, I'm not vegan or vegetarian, but in general, the kind of bad foods I stay away from,
Guest:And part of my rationale for that is like, I'm going to be 45 soon.
Guest:And it's like, yeah, I spent my quota.
Guest:Like I have had my quota of hamburgers.
Guest:Right.
Guest:They're done.
Guest:And like, you know, just I always think of it on those terms.
Guest:Like, you know, what have I gotten away with to this point?
Guest:And, you know, now I'll move on.
Guest:I always remember David Sedaris on our show.
Guest:was the one who really kind of illuminated this for me, talking about quitting smoking.
Guest:I never had to quit smoking.
Guest:But he was a multiple-pack-a-day smoker, and he said when he hit a certain age, he was like...
Guest:I figured I was born with an allowance of 10,000 cigarettes.
Guest:And I did the math and I figured I passed 10,000 cigarettes right around this age.
Guest:And so that's when I had to stop.
Guest:And he just did.
Guest:He was telling Mark, he quit cold turkey from smoking.
Guest:And that was how.
Guest:He just basically convinced his brain, you're not allowed to have any of these anymore.
Guest:You've hit your limit.
Marc:Oh, that's funny.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I think maybe I was allowed one cigarette in my life, and then I was like, nope, I'm good.
Marc:I'm good.
Marc:You never smoked one?
Marc:I smoked one.
Marc:Oh, no.
Marc:I smoked like a quarter of one.
Marc:I was like, no, thank you, sir.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Marc:This is poison.
Marc:Why would you give me poison?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Never a fan of smoking, ever.
Marc:Like, ever, ever, ever.
Guest:Did you ever – nobody ever did the like celebratory cigar with you or anything like that?
Marc:Yes, I've done a cigar and it's fine.
Marc:Fine.
Marc:But like – A little like – It's different.
Guest:Who needs it?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:That for sure.
Marc:No one needs it.
Marc:But also it's like you take a puff of it but you don't really inhale and then you just like puff it out.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:A lot of this stuff seems like a waste of time and money.
Guest:That's true.
Marc:And also you stink.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:You stink the worst.
Yeah.
Marc:I'm so glad bars and restaurants don't have smoking sections anymore.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Holy cow.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Really big fan.
Guest:Well, I mean, like, look, I don't want to bring people down, but I just spoke with someone who like, you know, he's two years older than me who never smoked a day in his life and was just diagnosed with lung cancer.
Guest:Oh my God.
Guest:His mother smoked his whole upbringing.
Guest:And it's like, well, yeah, what do you want to, you want to draw you a map there of what happened?
Guest:Oh my God.
Guest:And it's like, yeah, that's like, we don't allow that anymore.
Guest:That's a good thing.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Well, shit.
Marc:Well, I'm sorry for that person.
Marc:And it sucks.
Marc:Boy, that Mother's Day card is always going to be a little tinged with animosity there.
Marc:Speaking of animosity, what's up with Mark?
Marc:All right.
Marc:Guys, I read this.
Marc:He sends out an email or, you know, you probably sent out the email where he talks about, you know, the week and, you know, things that are happening.
Marc:He's talking about being on the show and he first always taking up golf.
Marc:I think that's great.
Marc:But then he's talking about he has a...
Marc:What is it?
Marc:1 p.m.
Marc:onset time.
Marc:And he's sitting around for five hours and he just kind of explodes at a producer.
Marc:Now, first of all, do you know that producer?
Marc:Have you called him to give him like, hey, just so you know.
Marc:No, no, it's not my job.
Guest:okay all right no but but but i mean mark has management the management talks to these people and you know hey to their credit the this the show the show called mark's management and apologized they were like yeah we've we fucked him over the other day we're sorry about that yeah okay all right good i'm glad that because like from my point of view i'm just like well is this just like a normal thing that happens at you know these you know sets um
Guest:My understanding is it is and it isn't that like it is understood.
Guest:It's part of the bargain that you're involved in this thing.
Guest:You're going to sit around and wait.
Guest:That's just that's what the money is for.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like that's the that's the deal.
Guest:There is a certain degree of communication that should go on where you're not told one thing and then have another thing happen that puts you on the hook past a point of even making sense for you to be there.
Guest:So there's a level of it where Mark is justified in being pissed off about it.
Guest:But then once he's pissed off about it, it should then move to someone else handling it.
Guest:Like that's the different thing.
Guest:Like that's the thing of how this is taken care of on a set is you have management or your representation handle it.
Guest:You don't go up to the producer and yell at them in front of the rest of the crib.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I feel like that's bad form.
Guest:Well, so you read that in the email.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, I know you read it in the email because there'd be no other way for you to know about that because he recorded it in his monologue.
Guest:No.
Guest:And I cut it out.
Marc:No.
Marc:Wait, wait.
Marc:Wait, are there no... Wait, are you not perusing the email before it gets sent out?
Marc:Is that just an all-him email?
Guest:Well, I'll read to you what I wrote to him.
Guest:He sent to me, after he sent me the monologue,
Guest:And then I started editing it and I was already doing my job.
Guest:And he wrote, that riff about losing it on set doesn't make me look like an asshole, does it?
Guest:I wanted it to land funny.
Guest:And I wrote back, sure does.
Guest:Took it out long ago.
Guest:And then he wrote, what about in the update?
Guest:And I said, look, I mean, the update is the update.
Guest:That's your journal, your inner thoughts.
Guest:These are for your fans.
Guest:They're in for the full ride.
Marc:I said, do what you want with it.
Guest:You can take it out if you want.
Guest:Because it hadn't been published yet, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:And he said, OK, bad day.
Guest:And then we didn't have a text for a few minutes.
Guest:And then all of a sudden I see this other text pop up and he says, I guess part of the frustration is I wait around for six hours and they do two takes and that's it.
Guest:I know I can't feel sorry for myself, but I definitely know after this experience what is what.
Guest:I just want to be doing something that is satisfying.
Guest:I think there are other ways to do that.
Guest:And I wrote back, yeah, I totally get it, but you can't get away with that stuff anymore at the level you're at and expect people to relate or sympathize.
Guest:And he wrote, yeah, I get that.
Guest:I said, you won.
Guest:He says, yeah, I know, but it is my experience.
Guest:I knew innately I should just keep it to myself after I said it.
Guest:And I brought something up to him that I think I brought up to you last week.
Guest:I said, it's funny because on that old live episode we put up on the bonus feed, you start the monologue going off about the hotel you were staying in.
Guest:And it's almost identical to how you were going off at the hotel a few weeks ago.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he just wrote, round and round, dumb.
Guest:Like...
Marc:Just one of those, what's it called, with the horses, the carousel.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And I said, right, but I think it's because to you, there's no difference.
Guest:And the same thing is what happened to you on set.
Guest:In all cases, it's about you feeling disregarded.
Guest:And when you feel like someone is making you feel small or less than, that is an A number one trigger for you.
Guest:And then he just wrote, totally hardwired mommy shit.
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Guest:I said, it will never go away no matter how good the hotel is, no matter how much the job pays.
Guest:It is elemental.
Guest:He said, yeah, I just have to act as if.
Guest:Take the cognitive approach.
Guest:Take a breath.
Guest:Choose differently.
Guest:Watched Sophie's Choice for no reason.
Guest:This is all one.
Guest:That's not a separate thing.
Guest:That was all one thing I was reading.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Selfish choice.
Guest:Then we started talking about Rudolph Hess and it was a different conversation entirely.
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:But yeah, that's, I mean, it's such a crazy thing.
Guest:And then today I was on the phone with him and we were talking about this stuff all over again.
Guest:And I was like, you know, he has this weird thing about they're not doing too many takes with him.
Guest:He's like, oh, just, you know, they do two takes and then that's it.
Guest:And I'm like, what do you think that means?
Guest:And he's like, I guess they just, they got what they got.
Guest:Or I was like, yeah, or what?
Guest:Like what other thing could it mean?
Guest:I was like, do you think it means that you, this, oh, this dude sucks.
Guest:Let's just cut our losses.
Guest:I was like, is that what you think's happening?
Guest:No, because the way that gets handled is you're fired.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like they don't have you hang around.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like if they think you're doing such a shitty job, they only, oh, fuck this guy.
Guest:Just two takes on him and clap him out.
Guest:Like there's,
Guest:That's not how it works.
Guest:The reason you're only getting two takes is because you're doing a good job.
Marc:Right.
Guest:So do your two takes, have a Coke and a smile, go back to your trailer, fire up Criterion and just have a fucking day.
Guest:Like what is this choice?
Yeah.
Guest:Then he's talking to me.
Guest:He's like, I guess I just want to feel challenged.
Guest:I was like, then challenge yourself.
Guest:You do one take, then challenge yourself to do another take totally differently.
Guest:I was like, you know what's going to happen then?
Guest:They're going to make you do more than two takes because they're going to go, eh, nah, we didn't really like that.
Guest:Go back to how you did it the first time.
Guest:So you want to do more takes, go ahead.
Guest:Go nuts.
Guest:Go challenge yourself out there.
Guest:He's like, well, I guess I'm not here for acting lessons then, right?
Guest:He's like, I guess I just thought like...
Guest:you know, maybe somebody would like guide me to tell me like, no, no, do it more like this or less like this.
Guest:I was like, yeah, but the fact that they're not means you're okay.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So like, they don't have to tell you anything.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And you did it and there's nothing else to say because that's what the money is for.
Guest:And he goes, yeah, I just, uh,
Guest:I never cared about that.
Guest:Wish I did sometimes.
Guest:And you know, like I can attest to that a hundred percent.
Guest:Like this is a dude, as long as I've ever known him, he does not care about money.
Guest:He just wants to get paid.
Guest:Like he's not going to go do a club for free, but like he doesn't haggle.
Guest:He's not like, you know, like, well,
Guest:I'm going to hold out till I get this much more.
Guest:Believe me, we've turned down tons of things for this podcast that could have paid us handsomely, and he just doesn't want to compromise on certain things.
Guest:So, like, I fully believe him when he says that.
Guest:But I was like...
Guest:you know okay but like if it's not for the money like what did you what did you want you just want like praise he's like praise would be nice yeah and i was like well dude work that into your contract next time man i'm sure they would love it like you could save them a shitload of money
Guest:Say, hold out X thousand dollars, right?
Guest:And instead, give that as a bonus to whatever director is on the show.
Guest:And all they got to do is, like, fucking blow smoke up your ass every now and then.
Guest:Now, listen, you're going to get, like, 50,000 extra bucks if you just tell Marc Maron he's, like, really great.
Guest:He's the greatest guy out here right now, frankly.
Guest:In fact, I just learned stuff from you.
Guest:You were so good.
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Guest:Did I tell you you're probably a great son?
Guest:That's probably really the best part of you being here.
Guest:You've actually changed my whole thought about my own kids because I think you're like a great kid.
Marc:Man, very well done.
Marc:Very well handled.
Marc:Good for you, man.
Marc:By the way, that's what the money's for for me.
Marc:Right, exactly.
Marc:That's the job, everybody.
Guest:Everybody paying your money here for the full Marin.
Guest:Hope I gave you a little insight into behind the scenes, what the job entails.
Guest:Could you want to produce the Marc Maron podcast?
Guest:Well, here's what you got to do.
Guest:You got to take a text at 1235 at night on the East Coast and you got to have that conversation for an hour.
Guest:On a Sunday.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:That's just one day.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Not, not too many people will be up for that.
Guest:Um, I gotta tell you, it's not, it's no sweat off my sack.
Guest:Like I'm fully immersed in this.
Guest:This is not like, I'm not telling you this because it's hazard pay for me.
Guest:This is just the job.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:This is the job.
Marc:You knew what you were getting into.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:Fully bought in.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But I will say, I wish I could have been a civilian on the flight that Ed O'Neill took where it was him, Jeff Bridges, and Danny DeVito.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Like, why can't I ever get on those flights?
Marc:That must have been a laugh riot, that flight.
Marc:I just think, like, any one of them is probably a great flight.
Marc:Yeah, of course.
Marc:But then have all three of them at the same time?
Marc:You know, talking about stuff.
Marc:I just I just loved that conversation.
Marc:So, so long.
Marc:You actually had overrun and you had it for the bonus episode, which I thought was both both talks this week.
Guest:Ed O'Neill and Ali Sadiq were about two hour long of raw files.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I had to cut them substantially just because... I mean, I've talked about this on the producer cuts.
Guest:I've talked about this here.
Guest:It's a time commitment thing for listeners, right?
Guest:And what happens is if you pull up your podcast app and you are used to a certain amount of time on the actual episode, and then all of a sudden you look at that episode and it says two hours and 30 minutes or something...
Guest:You're going to be like, oh, fuck, I don't have time for this.
Guest:Like, people put things into their routine.
Guest:And we've only, like, broken that on very rare occasions.
Guest:Like, the 1,000th episode where we just talked about the full, like, history of the show.
Guest:We figured, ah, people get this as, like, a special, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Or I remember William Friedkin was like a very long episode and we were just like, fuck it.
Guest:Like, this is special.
Guest:This guy, you know, is, you know, an amazing raconteur.
Guest:And, you know, we didn't have bonus whatever back then.
Guest:So it was like, fine, this is going to be two plus hours with this like kind of once in a lifetime director.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Uh, so it's rare that we do that.
Guest:And I didn't want to do it with Ed because again, it's like you, you realize like listening to this, it was so good.
Guest:It was so fun.
Guest:And we had people writing in saying, oh man, I wish that was like four hours long.
Guest:And to me, I'm like, good, because I, I bet you, you wouldn't be so inclined to write that in if it was two hours.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You're writing that in because it was 90 minutes and you're like, man, that like it's just finding that little calibration.
Guest:And I, you know, I've learned a lot from other editors and talking with people who have to do this same kind of thing.
Guest:It's like a lot of times when you think you've cut enough, you haven't.
Guest:You have to cut a little more and that little more will get you to a point where it's satisfying to the listener or viewer or anybody who's taking in your your material.
Marc:So that was the only thing you cut from, I mean, you cut a bunch of stuff that cobbled together like 30 minutes.
Marc:Exactly, like that.
Guest:Yeah, it was like, I would say five different sections that made up that 30 minutes.
Marc:Because I was wondering, and Mark does this from time to time, and I always wonder, is there more of a lead up to it?
Marc:But when he says goodbye to a guest, sometimes it feels like he just hit the ejector seat and wants out.
Guest:Yeah, actually, that's funny you bring that up because-
Guest:sometimes that's a thing like where, where there's been a cut, but most of the time it's not most of the time.
Guest:It's what you're saying.
Guest:It's like, he's just like, okay, I think we're done here.
Guest:It was great talking to you.
Guest:You know, like, and it's, you know, it's been that way since the very beginning and I never tried to change him doing it.
Guest:And it's like,
Guest:To me, it's like a part of the show.
Guest:It's a feature of the show.
Guest:It's like he's going, going, going, and then he's like, okay, that's all time we have.
Guest:Got to go.
Guest:Like Dr. Katz.
Guest:It used to be the same thing.
Guest:So sometimes it is that I've cut something, but a lot of times he's just deciding, we're done.
Guest:We're done here.
Guest:I've tapped out.
Guest:I've gotten everything I need.
Marc:Well, he probably has, you know, what you have.
Marc:You have timing where you're like, okay, we're going to wrap this up.
Marc:He hits the clock.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, he hits the clock.
Marc:So, yeah, that was great.
Marc:And I've got to ask, Brendan, I know you are a person who does not care about anyone's dreams.
Marc:How did you like hearing about Mark talk about his dreams?
Guest:Well, I left that in there because I figured people would immediately write into him and be like, you idiot, you're nervous about this show you're doing.
Guest:I mean, I'm projecting, but that was what I was thinking.
Guest:He's like, I don't know why I'm having these dreams.
Guest:It's like, you don't know why you're having these dreams while you're throwing temper tantrums on the TV show set?
Guest:Like, that's exactly why you're having these dreams.
Marc:You're worried you're out there with your dick showing every day.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So, okay.
Marc:So, good.
Marc:I'm glad.
Marc:I'm glad.
Marc:But I can just imagine you listening to that and being like, oh, boy, I have to listen to this guy's dream.
Marc:No, no, no.
Guest:You know, hey, we did the dream segment every day on the morning submission.
Marc:Oh, that's true.
Guest:That's true.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:I always thought it was funny when we had people call in and explain their dreams and Mark would interpret them.
Guest:That was a good bit.
Guest:That was what led up to doing the dream, or maybe it was vice versa.
Guest:Somehow we did that around the dream diary.
Marc:Yeah, I feel like that was vice versa.
Guest:The dream diary was a written bit, but then we would do a thing where people would call in and Mark would interpret their dreams, which usually yielded some very funny results.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:But yeah, again, another two great episodes.
Marc:I've actually bookmarked Ali's three parts of his special.
Marc:I started watching them and there's just not enough time in the day for me to finish it.
Marc:But I plan to finish it this weekend.
Marc:But it sounds great.
Marc:And I can't believe he's just sitting.
Marc:So he sits for all three parts.
Marc:Have you watched any of this?
Guest:yeah oh yeah i mean like i you know you'll get some occasions where he's on his feet but yeah no it's mostly sitting that's amazing oh yeah i this but this was a very i like i think he came on my radar because he was on a list with mark like it was like a year-end list of like the best specials of the year and he was one of them along with marks and so i you know a lot there were a bunch of people on that list that we've had on the show that i you know dina hashem i remember was on there
Guest:uh beth stelling who we recorded that has not happened yet but aired yet but it's already been recorded and and i remember seeing all these specials it was almost like a nice little homework sheet for me that i was like oh some new people that i don't know and i watched all of them and recommended some to mark recommended some from to watch but ali sadiq i was like
Guest:this is exactly the type of thing that Mark should be watching.
Guest:Like when he's always talking about the current strains of comedy and how he's, you know, uninspired by a lot of it.
Guest:And that I was like, Oh, well, welcome to this guy.
Guest:Cause he's going to get you right back into it.
Guest:And sure enough, that worked.
Guest:He did.
Guest:And I just loved that, that Ali was even like that with Mark where he's like, Oh man, I didn't feel like you're in my head.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:I loved that.
Marc:That was really special.
Marc:It's really cool.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, those are both great talks this week.
Guest:Nice long episodes, long discussions.
Guest:We got a lot of nice emails about both of them.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And yeah, I'm really happy that those panned out.
Guest:You know, it's interesting though, he had that interview with Ali Sadiq who had been incarcerated from age 19.
Guest:That's just so freaking crazy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Just like this life that could have...
Guest:Very much, you know, against the odds he has a successful life and career, because it doesn't typically work out like that if you go to prison at 19 on a 15-year sentence, of which he served six.
Guest:So connected to that, today, in fact, just a couple hours from when we're releasing this, Mark is going to be talking to a very interesting person.
Guest:Have you seen the trailers for this movie Sing Sing?
Guest:Yes, I have.
Guest:So this is with Coleman Domingo, right?
Guest:And the idea is it's about a theater group inside Sing Sing Prison.
Guest:Well, that is my wife's organization.
Guest:She works for the group that the movie is about.
Guest:And the guy who is the secondary lead in that, his name is Clarence Macklin, is playing himself.
Guest:He was one of the inmates that my wife worked with on the inside in Sing Sing.
Guest:And when he got out, he worked with her as her co-teacher in Rikers Island.
Guest:Yeah, they taught courses together in Rikers Island.
Guest:And so Clarence is going to be on with Mark tomorrow to talk about the Sing Sing movie, but also like his own experience and everything.
Guest:And yeah, it's wild.
Guest:And I was thinking about it while we were listening to Ali.
Guest:It's like, man.
Guest:To me, and obviously I'm close to it, and it's like a full disclosure thing that I want everybody to know.
Guest:We're having on a guest who I have personal connection with.
Guest:But at the same time, I do sit and just marvel at it.
Guest:It's like, God, the ability of these people to beat the odds is amazing.
Yeah.
Guest:it's uh it's it's really something and it's not something to not be taken for granted that's right like it's uh that's really something and oh my god i'm so excited for uh for that episode and for mark yeah yeah no i'm i it's definitely a cool unique thing that that uh and mark loved the movie uh that movie sing sing he said it was really good um so i'll be seeing that that's that's one to look forward to excellent um
Guest:Well, listen, I know that sometimes we like to talk about movies and stuff in pop culture.
Guest:And we have our ongoing Tarantino series, which we will be continuing next week, if you want a heads up on that.
Guest:And the next movie on our list is Death Proof.
Guest:And so if you would like to go check that out or rewatch it or watch it for the first time, or frankly, maybe don't watch it.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:We will find out next week when we do our Death Proof episode.
Guest:But we were approaching this weekend with Father's Day on the horizon.
Guest:And I had this idea based on something that had come up.
Guest:You know, I do remember it becoming very talked about when the Ford versus Ferrari movie came out.
Guest:That...
Guest:Particularly that movie, but also the director of that movie, James Mangold, in general, seemed to make movies that were being classified as dad movies.
Guest:And people were like, this Ford versus Ferrari is like the ultimate dad movie.
Yeah.
Guest:uh what is this thing you're sending me mark maron wins the pita wtf award wonderful to felines apparently mark has won a pita award ahead of this father's day oh because i guess because he's a cat dad yes i think that's what it is wow that's great i think that's his actual cats too they use his real cats in the ad
Guest:Good for him.
Marc:Wonderful for felines.
Guest:See, but this is important because I want to bring up that we're going to be talking about fathers.
Guest:And Mark, who has no children, is a cat dad.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And I think this idea of dad movies, it's more just to the point of like...
Guest:Guys of a certain age.
Guest:When you hit a certain age, you age into this type of guy that is like drawn to, like catnip, to complete the circle here, to a particular type of movie.
Guest:And so I thought to myself, well, let's recommend, especially since it's Father's Day, and there's anybody who's listening, if you're a father, if you've got a husband, if you've got a son who you're going to honor on Father's Day, if it's your dad or anything, sometimes the best thing to do is just be like, hey, how about we watch a movie?
Guest:Make your favorite food, watch a movie.
Guest:Well, when it comes to dad movies, how do we actually categorize them?
Guest:And, you know, I was saying to Chris, let's talk about dad movies.
Guest:It's like, okay, but what is that?
Guest:And I think we could make the ultimate algorithm for dad movies, right?
Guest:And here's my challenge for me and Chris to try to do in the remaining time we have here.
Guest:Let us come up with the attributes of a dad movie and we'll give them like a number value.
Guest:And then based on that, we will list our favorite dad movies, right?
Guest:And feed it into the machine.
Guest:Like this is like the, you know, 538 model.
Guest:We're going to have it, you know, burp out the probability of this being a dad movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So let's first get our categories down, the point categories, and assign points to them.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And so I'm going to list.
Guest:These are the ones I had right off the top of my head.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And then I want you to chime in on what we should rate them, and then I will get ones from you.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:So off the top of my head, a Western category.
Guest:The movie has a submarine.
Guest:Movie is about sports or just about a sport.
Guest:It doesn't have to be about sports in general, but a sport is featured prominently.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:About fathers and sons.
Guest:There's a heist.
Guest:it's based on truth.
Guest:Like it's either historical or it's just like based on a true story.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Shows the main character doing his job in detail.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Like it can't just be like, he's just like, he's competent.
Guest:He's competent.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:It has to fully show his competence.
Guest:It could be any job.
Guest:It could be an illegal job.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But he does, if he does the job very well, that counts.
Guest:So let's, let's put points to these and then we'll get the ones you're thinking of.
Marc:I think most of these are just one point, right?
Marc:Like, I think the father-son thing.
Guest:We're going to go one, two, and three points.
Marc:One, two, and three points.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:But think about it.
Guest:Well, I think you're right.
Guest:I think most of these should have one point.
Guest:But the twos are like, oh, that's almost all of them.
Guest:And threes are like, unanimously, these are for dads.
Guest:Dads would love this.
Guest:So to me, it's like a Western, like, yeah, Western is one because like not everybody loves Westerns, but it's like, if you put, if it is a Western, you might start to have like that guy, James Mangold, 310 to Yuma.
Guest:Like that's, that's, that's got a Western in it.
Guest:And is it going to be your dad's first choice?
Guest:No.
Guest:But if it's on TV, is he probably going to watch it?
Guest:I'd say yes.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:uh you know same with like you know is there a heist right like oh yeah no that's that's like a three i feel like a three or or maybe just a two all right because i i feel like a heist heist is because i was going the thing i was going with with like i think you got to give this a two or three is a submarine
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So, so here's the thing.
Marc:I love a good submarine.
Marc:All right.
Guest:And they're rare.
Guest:So I think that ups the price.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Guest:So I'm going to give submarine a three, but I'm going to give a sport.
Guest:Sport is fairly common.
Guest:Let's give that a one.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And fathers and sons also, that's a one.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:and uh based on truth historical whatever that's also a one right but i do think doing the job in detail has to get more than one point that's like a two or a three yeah i i'd say i'd say that's probably i think that's a three for a competence yeah especially because we can debate the level of competence of it yes the movie comes up okay yeah
Guest:All right.
Guest:What are some of your categories here?
Marc:All right.
Marc:So mine, shockingly, overlap with yours.
Marc:All right.
Marc:I got a heist in there.
Marc:I put helicopters.
Guest:Oh, OK.
Guest:That's important.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I feel like a helicopter in a movie, that's a dad movie right there.
Marc:All right.
Marc:I'm going to give that a one.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Let's give that a one.
Marc:Now, I had sports as well, which you've already mentioned.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I put in the main character is a dad.
Marc:I feel like that's a good hallmark for a dad movie just so that they can relate.
Marc:Baseline.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Baseline.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:A team coming together.
Marc:So the montage of you got to get the team and the team's all coming together.
Guest:I feel like that's a sports team.
Guest:No, no, no.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The heist team or whatever it is, like the bunch of detectives, you know, you got to get all of them together.
Marc:I'm giving that a two.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:I think that is a two.
Marc:I'm going to say a long Steadicam shot.
Marc:Anytime a long Steadicam shot happens, I'm in.
Marc:All right.
Marc:I don't care if it's rocky.
Marc:There might be blood.
Marc:I am there for it.
Marc:So I think long Steadicam shot is a hallmark of a dad movie.
Marc:You mentioned, you know, being good at your job.
Marc:I'm going to say a nostalgic soundtrack.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And or John Williams, all right?
Marc:I'm saying if there is some hits from the, you know, whatever time period, 80s, 90s, 60s, whatever it is, if it's a soundtrack from a yesteryear, I think that's a dad movie, as well as John Williams.
Marc:I think John Williams, for sure.
Guest:I think those are both separate.
Guest:I think you got to keep them separate.
Guest:Because I think, you know, John Williams...
Guest:you're almost saying, um, uh, you know, that you're talking about a Spielberg movie.
Guest:Like you're basically like, we're talking Spielberg here.
Guest:So it's like, that's a one because it's important, but it's gonna, it's like, you're, you're skewing it already.
Guest:You're just saying, you know, Spielberg, but the soundtrack thing, that's more specific.
Guest:I'd give that a two.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Uh, next, I think, uh, explosions.
Marc:If there's an explosion for like any explosion, uh,
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I feel like we're in dad territory.
Marc:There's an explosion, you know?
Guest:All right.
Guest:I'm going to say it has to be a big explosion and that it has to be practical.
Marc:Ooh.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Not CGI.
Marc:I got you.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:It doesn't count if you're watching something and they just have like a computer fireball or something.
Guest:I'm talking about like, this better be the dark night, you know, hospital explosion.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I got you.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:So this brings up something important.
Guest:I think the machine will give you a demerit.
Guest:Take away three points if this is science fiction, fantasy, or comic book.
Guest:Oh, I like this.
Marc:Yeah, let's do that.
Guest:Because you're limiting your dad scope with these genre things.
Guest:But that doesn't mean some of these aren't good dad movies, but you should have to pay a penalty if you took them.
Guest:right you know right like there's a reason like people don't like aren't like oh you know my most favorite movie ever space cowboys even though it's got like all these like dad guys in it right right like the most dad movie cast well that that actually brings up a good point i think dad approved actors okay all right and
Guest:Good category here.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Because I think you do a dad-approved actor thing, and then we can debate that on the merits of who those actors are.
Guest:It's like, oh, well, you know, come on, Tom Berenger.
Guest:Yeah, sure.
Guest:Go ahead.
Guest:Give him... So all dad-approved actors... Yeah, like Morgan Freeman, that sort of thing.
Marc:Exactly.
Guest:One point.
Guest:But I'm going to say there's six specific actors...
Guest:That get more points.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:Because they just are the most dad movie guys.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:Who are they?
Guest:All right.
Guest:So you get two points if your movie has John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, or Steve McQueen.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:And that's only two points because although those are like some of the most dad movie guys ever.
Marc:They're finite, right?
Guest:It's older generation.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So you got younger dads who are not going to give as much of a shit.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:On the other hand, these three actors are the pinnacles, and you get three points if they are in your movie, your dad movie.
Guest:Kevin Costner, Denzel Washington, and Harrison Ford.
Marc:You're not going to put Tom Hanks in there, huh?
Guest:But that's a weird thing because he's like America's dad, right?
Guest:But think about his movies.
Guest:Do any of his movies really factor into the things we've been talking about?
Guest:He doesn't make those kind of things.
Marc:Well, let's see.
Guest:It's my same reason to not put Bruce Willis because Bruce Willis edges too much toward genre, right?
Guest:It's like, you know, like Tom Hanks edges too much toward mainstream everybody, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:You got males, Sleepless in Seattle, right?
Guest:Sure.
Guest:Forrest Gump.
Marc:cast away though that's a that is absolutely a dad movie but he he will get a point okay fair enough in cast away okay for sure gotcha he doesn't get the extra three or two points yeah okay I gotcha alright alright I dig it
Marc:Also on my list, I think a courtroom.
Marc:If there's a courtroom in a movie, that, my friend, is a dad movie prerequisite.
Marc:I think that's a three.
Marc:Yeah, I think so.
Marc:I think so.
Marc:Also, if someone says, she's going to blow, or something to that effect, I feel like that should be a point, at least.
Guest:Okay, so here, now you're bringing us to, we asked our friend Matt Singer, who we had on this show, if he had, he's a film critic and a film historian, and this is right up his alley, and we said, Matt, what would you feed into our dad movie machine here for the criteria?
Guest:And he said, if it has the phrase, I want your gun and badge on my desk.
Yeah.
Guest:That's such a good one.
Guest:And that's a definite one.
Guest:And I said, I think even if the movie hints implicitly at that, like that line doesn't specifically need to be in it.
Guest:But if it has an angry chief who tells the cop, you know, he's got to go home or he's got, you know, the cop is in trouble in this chief's office.
Guest:The implication of that line gets you points.
Marc:Yeah, 100%.
Guest:Matt also said that if it has Rolling Stones on the soundtrack, that should count.
Marc:For sure.
Guest:That goes along with your nostalgic thing.
Guest:But I think I like the idea of the Rolling Stones getting you an extra point.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:Someone hot wires a car.
Marc:That's such a good one.
Marc:That's a great one.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm going to give that two points.
Guest:And, uh, wait, did we get all the ones Matt suggested?
Guest:Oh no, Matt had a great one.
Guest:What's that?
Guest:And I think, I think we should give two points.
Guest:Any movie that has his suggestion of Renee Russo is in it.
Marc:Oh, that's so good.
Guest:It was amazing.
Guest:Like he said that and I was like,
Guest:renee russo is wait a minute yeah literally everything she's in is a dad movie yeah it's really uh what what an imdb uh for her so yeah definitely two points for renee russo i think so exactly and i i have one more that i wanted to add in here uh the president is in it and he seems like a good dude oh that's good all right
Guest:All right.
Guest:Do we have any others?
Guest:Are we good to go?
Marc:How do you feel about time travel?
Marc:If time travel is in a movie?
Guest:No.
Guest:If you include time travel, I would take points away.
Marc:Sci-fi.
Marc:Sci-fi.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I got you.
Marc:I got you.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Let me just think of my list.
Guest:This is why Edge of Tomorrow is tricky, right?
Guest:Because you're like, there's a lot of it that counts, but you're going to lose points.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:All right.
Marc:And we said period peace, right?
Marc:I mean, you said Western.
Guest:No, no.
Guest:Period peace is anything.
Guest:I said it's, what do we give point to?
Guest:Based on the truth.
Marc:Ah, okay.
Guest:So that's historical.
Marc:All right.
Marc:And would you put, like, is there a fast moving vehicle?
Marc:Like, is that too broad of a term?
Marc:Like, is that also included in a helicopter and I guess a submarine, that sort of thing?
Marc:Okay.
Guest:let's be more specific i think you're because i think what you're trying to get at is like if there's like a runaway train yeah like so i think it has to be you have a fast moving vehicle that is featured for more than one scene okay right yeah can't just be there's one car chase all right okay
Guest:All right.
Guest:But like, if there's a, yeah, if you're talking about like Under Siege 2, sure.
Marc:Right.
Marc:All right.
Marc:That is my list of what I can think of makes a dad movie.
Marc:So what movies would you feed into our machine?
Marc:And let's see if we can get a score out of it.
Guest:The first thing I put, I thought back to like movies we've talked about on this show.
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:Right.
Guest:And thought, okay, which ones of these, which we've already kind of professed to love, would also seemingly fit dad movie criteria.
Guest:And the first one that I picked here, which probably one you did too, is The Fugitive.
Marc:Yeah, I mean, it's like the benchmark, right?
Guest:Well, let's see though, because already I'm looking at this and it's not a Western, there's no submarine, it's not about a sport.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:it's this is interesting it's not about fathers and sons and he is not a dad that's right yeah you met so like we're striking out here it's not based on truth there's no heist shows main character doing his job in detail not only get that once you get it twice yes
Marc:As a fugitive and as a doctor.
Marc:And as a U.S.
Marc:Marshal.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Yeah, exactly.
Marc:Points, points, points right there.
Marc:You get a bunch of helicopters.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Helicopter.
Guest:Dad approved actor.
Guest:Well, Harrison Ford, you get three points, and then I'm going to give you another one point for Tommy Lee Jones.
Marc:Right.
Marc:There's a courtroom in the opening sequence.
Guest:You are correct about that.
Marc:There's an explosion, a practical explosion.
Guest:Oh, a beautiful explosion.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Let's see.
Marc:Would you consider this a team coming together, the U.S.
Marc:Marshals?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Not as you described it.
Guest:They're already together.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:It doesn't have a nostalgic soundtrack or John Williams.
Guest:No.
Guest:The only other question is, is there a long Steadicam shot?
Guest:And I can't think of one.
Marc:Yeah, I can't think of one either.
Marc:So I'm going to say no to that.
Guest:All right.
Guest:I've run this through the machine, and it has kicked it out with 12 points.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:So that's our benchmark right now is 12 points.
Marc:All right.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Do you have another one?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I have a movie that I think is a dad movie, and that movie is Apollo 13.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, that is a dad movie.
Guest:And it's not science fiction.
Marc:No, it's a real story.
Marc:It's true.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:So that's, like, this is, you've picked a good idea of how you can get to space in a dad movie and still get the points and not get demerits.
Marc:That's right.
Guest:So here you go.
Guest:Okay, about fathers and sons.
Guest:Well, I don't know if it's, I mean, he definitely has a son.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:So I think you can count that.
Marc:And the main character is a dad.
Marc:So there's that.
Guest:Is a dad, right?
Marc:And it is a true story.
Marc:There are explosions.
Marc:It's a period piece.
Marc:I don't think John Williams did the soundtrack to this.
Marc:I think it's probably like Hans Zimmer or something.
Marc:Uh, it shows competence.
Marc:That's for sure.
Guest:Oh my God.
Guest:I mean like the most, it's like the movie of that.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Uh, long city cam shots.
Marc:I believe there are, although I can't recall.
Marc:You gotta cite it.
Marc:If you don't know it, you gotta cite it.
Marc:Fair enough.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Um, let's see.
Marc:There are helicopters.
Guest:There's a team coming to get team together.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They have to build the team.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, right?
Marc:So, yeah, team coming together is in there.
Marc:There's no, let's see, there's helicopters.
Marc:There's no sports.
Marc:No, there is an explosion.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Oh, yeah, there definitely is an explosion.
Marc:And I believe it's practical as well.
Marc:Fast-moving vehicle, you can't get it faster than a...
Marc:rocket going up into outer space so there's that um well okay how about dad approved actors you got a bunch oh yeah so what we got tom hanks tom hanks uh-huh uh what's his name yeah gary sinise my boy uh bill paxton yep kevin harris ed harris kevin bacon he hmm i don't know about kevin bacon no i think he's a dad approved actor
Guest:All right, maybe not.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'd still say that's still plenty.
Guest:Yes, yeah.
Guest:Wait, I want to double-check, though, who did the score.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:James Horner.
Marc:James Horner.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:All right.
Guest:All right, did it cover all these?
Guest:Let's see.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Oh, but you know what?
Marc:It did have a nostalgic soundtrack.
Marc:I do see here Night Train by James Brown.
Marc:Oh, sure.
Marc:I think when they were up in the...
Marc:the capsule vomit comet.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:They were playing like Jefferson airplane and stuff.
Marc:So, you know, that it gets a point for that.
Marc:All right.
Guest:Well, running it through the machine right now.
Marc:You want to hear the score?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:16.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:That, that is a dad movie.
Guest:That's you, you, uh, you knocked it out of the park on that one because I hadn't thought of it and it totally is a dad movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Let's go to my next one on the list.
Guest:Another one we talked about at length here on the show.
Guest:And I think, you know, you might not think of it as one, but it definitely is one.
Guest:And it is Midnight Run.
Guest:Hmm.
Guest:All right.
Guest:So, okay.
Guest:Is it Western?
Guest:No.
Guest:Submarine?
Guest:No.
Guest:Sports?
Guest:No.
Guest:There's no fathers and sons.
Guest:There's no heist.
Guest:It's not based on truth.
Guest:Main character doing his job in detail.
Guest:Ding, ding, ding.
Guest:Bounty hunter.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:Uh, okay.
Guest:Uh, there is definitely a helicopter.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:In fact, there's, is there more than one?
Guest:There's definitely just the one.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I feel like we'll put one.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:He is a dad for sure.
Marc:Dad approved actor big time.
Marc:Right.
Guest:you got, well, let's, let's, let's, let's go through this.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You've got De Niro, Charles Grodin.
Guest:I think you got to count Dennis Farina in as a dad approved act.
Guest:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:I mean, he's in, yes, this is a Michael Mann staple.
Guest:This is a, you know, a guy who used to be a cop.
Marc:That's true.
Marc:Come on.
Marc:That's true.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:That is, that guy's also in dad movies.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, you got it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:There's no courtroom in it though, right?
Guest:no i don't think so now listen do we give it the points for i want your gun and badge on my desk because it's basically that dynamic yeah alonzo mosley it's just that he's he's a bounty hunter he's not really a cop but he's been a cop and he's had his badge taken away i'm gonna i kind of feel i'm gonna give it to you i think it's gotta have it yeah yeah yeah
Marc:There are explosions, right?
Guest:Oh, also, someone hotwires a car.
Guest:Hey, right.
Guest:Now we're talking.
Guest:And, yeah, there's, well, yeah, there's a practical explosion.
Guest:They blow up the helicopter.
Marc:Yeah, fast-moving vehicle.
Marc:Oh, right.
Guest:The airplane, the trains, yeah.
Guest:Well, that's the thing.
Guest:We said fast-moving vehicle in more than one scene.
Guest:And they are on the train.
Guest:They are in a helicopter or in a biplane, rather.
Guest:So, yeah, I think that counts.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Is there a long Steadicam shot?
Marc:I can't recall.
Marc:Not that I can think of.
Marc:I don't think so.
Marc:All right.
Marc:What does the computer come out with?
Marc:Ready for this?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:14.
Marc:No kidding.
Marc:Wow.
Guest:Two movies better than The Fugitive here.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:How about that?
Marc:All right.
Marc:Why don't you give me another one?
Marc:All right.
Marc:I'm going to say...
Marc:and this might be controversial, but I think The Rock should be on this list as a dad movie.
Marc:All right.
Guest:Let's go through this.
Marc:We got dad-approved actors, right, with Nicolas Cage on there.
Guest:No, but he gets a point, and Connery definitely gets a point, and Ed Harris gets a point.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:There are definitely helicopters.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:There are definitely, there's someone doing their job very well with Sean Connery.
Guest:uh breaking back into well also nicholas cage where he's like you know gotta dismantle the bomb and the thing and the the the the chemical bomb or whatever it is yeah now wait isn't connery a dad in it yes he is okay right yep so there's that uh there is a high it's based on a true story right yeah
Marc:Yeah, of course.
Marc:Let's see.
Marc:There is a team coming together of Nick Cage and Sean Connery.
Marc:No, no, no.
Guest:You can't have... They're not a duo.
Marc:You got to have an Ocean's Eleven team.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Are there sports in this movie?
Marc:I don't think there is.
Marc:No.
Marc:There are explosions.
Marc:Lots and lots.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's not a period piece, though.
Marc:Long Steadicam shots.
Marc:Not in a Michael Bay movie there, Ian.
Marc:What, are you crazy?
Guest:All right.
Guest:What else is on your list?
Guest:I'm looking at the whole thing.
Guest:I think you got everything.
Guest:I don't think this counts as any, I want your gun and badge on my desk.
Guest:Although, the actor who plays the type of chief, he would definitely say that to you.
Guest:The guy from the West Wing?
Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Guest:If there was any sense that Nicolas Cage was going to even flirt with having his badge taken away in this movie, I would have given it to him.
Guest:But he isn't.
Guest:He's a good guy.
Marc:They like him.
Marc:Right.
Marc:He's like, you're breaking my arm as he's carrying him up from the railing.
Guest:Ah, love that movie.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, I run it through.
Guest:You want to know the points?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:11.
Marc:All right.
Marc:So it's bringing up the rear.
Marc:Yeah, definitely bringing up the rear.
Marc:All right.
Marc:What else you got?
Marc:Major League.
Guest:Ooh.
Marc:Well, goddamn.
Guest:All right.
Guest:So here we go.
Guest:It is about a sport.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:I don't know that there are any fathers or sons in this movie.
Marc:Yeah, I don't think so.
Guest:There's no heist, and it's not really based on truth.
Marc:No.
Guest:Show's main character doing job in detail, it absolutely does.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Like, you get a very good view of baseball players in this.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Team coming together, like quintessential team coming together.
Guest:They have tryouts and everything.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:There's no courtroom, though, that I can think of.
Marc:Data-approved actor.
Guest:Oh, lots.
Guest:Okay, so you got Tom Berenger as one.
Marc:Wesley Snipes.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Always bet on Black.
Marc:Yeah, I forgot.
Guest:Wesley Snipes.
Guest:I don't think we could say Charlie Sheen.
Guest:No.
Marc:Unfortunately, no.
Guest:But I think Berenger and Snipes are definitely up there.
Guest:And two points for Rene Russo.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:I forgot Rene Russo.
Marc:Of course.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:That's great.
Guest:Uh, and, uh, is there any nostalgia?
Guest:Oh, well, I was gonna say nostalgic stuff on the soundtrack.
Guest:You got the wild thing.
Marc:Yeah, I, I'm, I'm gonna give it a point.
Guest:Okay.
Okay.
Marc:There are no explosions.
Marc:There are no long steadicam shots that I can recall.
Guest:They're in a plane in one scene, but it's not more than that.
Marc:Right.
Marc:There's no courtroom, right?
Marc:Wild Thing doesn't go.
Marc:No, he's in the penal.
Marc:Yes, he's in jail when the movie starts.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:What does the machine tell us?
Marc:12.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:So tied with The Fugitive.
Marc:All right.
Marc:All right.
Marc:You got anything else?
Marc:Yeah, I got one more.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Let's hear it.
Marc:All right.
Marc:I'm going to say, and man, I'm kind of killing my darlings here.
Marc:I'm choosing between two.
Marc:And like, what about the Rocky franchise?
Yeah.
Marc:Or is that too many movies?
Guest:It's too many because of the... So I would say pick your most dad Rocky movie.
Guest:Rocky 3.
Guest:That's what I would have said.
Guest:So yeah, let's go with Rocky 3.
Marc:What are you thinking?
Marc:Nostalgic soundtrack.
Marc:You got the Eye of the Tiger.
Marc:Full on.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's not a period piece.
Marc:There are no explosions.
Marc:Not a true story, even though Philadelphia thinks it is.
Marc:But wait, hang on.
Guest:It is based on, it's about a sport.
Guest:Oh yeah, for sure.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It gets a point for a sport.
Guest:About fathers and sons.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And the character is a dad.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:Competence, someone doing their job.
Marc:I mean, absolutely with Apollo.
Marc:And I mean, I guess you can just say Apollo team coming together.
Marc:I think when I mean, it doesn't count as a whole team because it's a duo.
Marc:But when Apollo and Rocky get together, that's that's when the magic happens.
Guest:All right, but I think you're trying to double up points here because obviously these guys are going to get points for dad-approved actors.
Guest:Yeah, okay, fair enough.
Guest:So here you go.
Guest:You got, and there's a bunch here, right?
Guest:So you got Carl Weathers and Stallone.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:And Mr. T. Yes.
Marc:Right?
Guest:Do we count Hulk Hogan?
Yes.
Marc:No, I don't think we can.
Marc:We're biased.
Guest:Too big of an asshole.
Marc:Yeah, too big of a dick.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:So, Noel Hogan, anybody out?
Guest:Do we count Burt Young?
Marc:I don't think so.
Guest:Because he's just Pauly.
Marc:Yeah, he's just Pauly.
Marc:Do we count his wife?
Guest:Talia Shire?
Marc:Talia Shire.
Marc:Nah.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Again, it's like, it's just Adrian.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Marc:Okay, so that's about it.
Marc:Anything else?
Marc:There's no submarine in this one, right?
Marc:No, no Rolling Stones.
Marc:Yeah, no Rolling Stones.
The president's not in it.
Marc:How is the president not in this movie, Rocky III?
Guest:He might have been in Rocky IV if we had gotten to that.
Guest:And he's a good dude, too.
Guest:At least implicitly he's in Rocky IV.
Guest:All right, we'll run it through the machine.
Guest:What are we at here?
Guest:11.
Guest:So same as The Rock.
Guest:The Rock and Rocky III are the same.
Guest:All right.
Guest:All right.
Guest:You got any other ones?
Guest:I got a lot more.
Guest:Maybe I should narrow these down.
Guest:But I can't believe we're going to do this without doing a submarine movie.
Guest:oh man like do i do crimson tide let's do crimson tide let's run crimson tide through here okay so explosions for sure yep submarine is three the big old three points yeah three honking points for the submarine shows main character doing his job i mean he's doing his job plenty gold stars yes
Guest:Is there anything more than the submarine?
Guest:Do we have a battleship in this movie?
Guest:We do, right?
Guest:No, I don't know.
Marc:Man, I don't think so.
Marc:Aircraft carrier?
Guest:I don't think so.
Guest:No, they just kind of go underneath in the submarine, and then there's another submarine.
Guest:And so I don't think we can give it an extra point for the fast-moving vehicle.
Guest:No.
Guest:Do you count the team coming together nature of this?
Guest:Because...
Guest:He does have to assemble this like squad.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I actually am not, I'm going to go against it.
Marc:I don't think it's a team.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Cause like the team coming together is its own thing.
Marc:It's like Armageddon when you're getting all of the oil drillers together.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:Uh, is there a courtroom at the end or he just comes out of the building?
Marc:No, you don't actually see the courtroom.
Marc:Do you?
Marc:No, I'm pretty sure you do.
Marc:Don't you?
Marc:Cause like they, they are there.
Marc:You think he's going to be court-martialed for mutiny.
Guest:right and like that's in the court so i think that's like in the court oh yeah you're right you're totally right they're in the courtroom yeah uh that helps that's a that's a big are there helicopters in this movie there has to be i i i why why would there be they're under the water they're in the ocean
Marc:It's not a true story, sadly.
Guest:It's definitely not.
Guest:I don't remember the president being in it.
Guest:And if he was, I don't think he'd be a good dude.
Guest:No.
Marc:Dad approved actors, though.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Here we go.
Guest:Dad approved actors.
Guest:I got to bring up the cast list because it's insane.
Guest:So you're going to get a point for Gene Hackman.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And a point for James Gandolfini.
Guest:Do we give a point for Viggo Mortensen?
Guest:I think you do.
Marc:Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Guest:all right denzel you didn't mention denzel you get the full magilla that's three points for denzel so then we're just talking about steve zahn we giving steve zahn a point he's a dad movie actor it well okay but then i see another name on here and i remember he's the court aforementioned scene you're talking about jason robarts oh wow that's a dad movie guy yeah that really is dad approved okay yeah
Guest:I'll give it to Steve Zahn, too.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:All right.
Guest:This was a big score for this movie, having all these actors.
Guest:Oh, I bet.
Marc:All right.
Guest:What's the total?
Guest:Total from the machine.
Guest:18 points.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Leader in the clubhouse.
Guest:For sure.
Guest:I'm not surprised.
Marc:Yeah, me either.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:All right.
Guest:So then here's the deal.
Guest:We got maybe five minutes left here.
Guest:We're going to go up against this with two more movies that I think could challenge it, could knock it from the perch.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:The first is Field of Dreams.
Guest:Ooh, okay.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:So, okay, you've got a sport.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:It sure as shit is about fathers and sons.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:I mean, character is a dad.
Guest:Character is a dad.
Guest:Uh, I don't think it's based on truth.
Guest:Well, that's weird though, because there's truth in it.
Guest:It kind of is, isn't it?
Guest:You've got real people.
Guest:I'm going to give it a point for that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, there is a real field out there, right?
Marc:Wasn't that a thing?
Guest:Well, but there is now.
Guest:I just think the fact that it's about historical characters, Joe Jackson and all these baseball players.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Uh, okay.
Guest:Team coming together.
Marc:I mean, absolutely.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like ghosts come count as a team for sure.
Guest:Uh, I, I don't think it's, well, what about that long shot at the end with all the cars?
Guest:Does that count as your long steady cam shot?
Marc:I think it does.
Marc:I think it does.
Marc:I think a crane shot is like, yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You gotta give it.
Marc:And it's memorable, you know?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:No explosions, so to speak.
Marc:That would be amazing, but no.
Marc:There are no fast-moving cars.
Marc:There are no helicopters.
Marc:Competence?
Guest:Do we dock this for being a fantasy?
Guest:Does it like, you know, I remember I said science fiction or comic books or, you know, I was thinking something specific, but should we be fair here and knock points off because of the ghost element?
Guest:I don't, I don't know.
Guest:I think it's too grounded in reality.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Uh, we should almost, we should almost give it a negative point for competence for like someone doing their job.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Cause he does his job very badly.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Very, very poor job of being a farmer.
Yeah.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Wait a second.
Marc:And the actors, though.
Marc:We need to go with the actors.
Guest:That's the big thing here, because you've got James Earl Jones.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:You've got Burt Lancaster.
Marc:Yep.
Marc:Ray Liotta.
Guest:You've got Ray Liotta.
Guest:And then Costner gets you three.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:OK, so total for the machine and feel the dreams.
Guest:13 points.
Guest:So it's not it's not it didn't even crack the top three.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Last last one that I think has a shot.
Marc:What do you got?
Guest:Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
Marc:Oh, shit.
Marc:I mean, those.
Marc:OK, all right.
Marc:Let's go through it.
Guest:All right.
Guest:There's no submarine in this one.
Guest:That would be Raiders has a submarine.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:But fathers and sons.
Guest:Got some fathers and sons in here.
Guest:I mean, based on truth, I mean, these were fucking Nazis we're talking about here.
Guest:No, no.
Marc:They're real.
Marc:Hitler's in the movie.
Marc:Hitler didn't sign the fucking diary.
Guest:But he's in it.
Guest:We just had a movie where Shoeless Joe Jackson came out of a cornfield and we counted that.
Marc:But we can give this a point for period piece.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:That's what I mean.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Period piece.
Marc:We'll give it that.
Marc:Explosions.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Fast moving vehicle for sure.
Marc:So many.
Marc:Multiple.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So that counts.
Guest:Team coming together.
Guest:This is the first movie where all the indie friends all get pulled together to team up.
Guest:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You'll never see him again.
Marc:He'll blend in, disappear.
Marc:That's my favorite cut.
Marc:Long Steadicam shot?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:There has to be?
Marc:In the beginning, for sure.
Marc:Oh, right, right.
Marc:You know, in that very beginning.
Marc:Competence?
Marc:Absolutely.
Marc:With not only...
Marc:I guess Indy just doing his job, you know?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Indy, like, even right down to him as a kid, figuring out how he could do all this stuff.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Helicopters, for sure.
Marc:John Williams.
Marc:John Williams, absolutely.
Guest:Wait, there's a helicopter in this?
Guest:Is there a helicopter?
Guest:There's a blimp.
Guest:No, yeah.
Guest:That counts as fast-moving vehicle.
Marc:Okay, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Because you got the blimp, you got the biplanes.
Marc:Right, right.
Guest:We've been hit.
Okay.
Marc:Alright, so we're up to a lot of points even before we get to... I think this is a heist.
Marc:It's a heist on multiple levels.
Marc:You're right.
Marc:We're stealing the cup.
Marc:We're also getting the diary.
Marc:That's a heist.
Guest:Yeah, all those little beats that they were going to have to sneak into the tomb to steal the shield printing.
Guest:Yeah, all that stuff.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Hang on.
Guest:Oh, now, I mean, the actors itself.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:So the actors now, but now we've got to see who actually counts with these actors because, um, okay.
Guest:So you're definitely counting Sean Connery.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Harrison Ford.
Guest:Well, Harrison Ford gets you three points.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:So now does anyone else count?
Guest:Does John Rhys Davies who plays Salah, does he count?
Marc:No, I don't think so.
Guest:I mean, he's a Lord of the Rings guy, but I guess I don't think I count him either.
Marc:Yeah, and you don't count River Phoenix, although I want to, but he's not, you know, he's only unfortunately.
Guest:Not dad enough.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:So you're really just talking about Connery and Ford.
Guest:What about the woman, Alison Doody?
Guest:No way.
Guest:Like, what else has she done other than this?
Guest:She was an RRR.
Guest:I remember her now.
Guest:That's about it.
Guest:The bad guy is in Empire Strikes Back, but nobody remembers him from that.
Guest:Yeah, I think that's it.
Guest:Huh.
Guest:I'm surprised.
Guest:Is the president in it?
Guest:He's not.
Guest:He's no president.
Marc:No, just the German dictator.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:He's not a good dude.
Marc:I mean, he is kind of.
Marc:He signs the book.
Marc:I mean, this is kind of the most charming that Hitler has ever appeared.
Marc:That he's going to possibly be.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:So I fed it in.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:It has.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:20.
Guest:18 points.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:So that ties it with Crimson Tide.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Incredible.
Guest:So that means that if you would like to show your dad the most Friday show algorithmically approved dad movie this Father's Day, you have your choice of two 18 pointers, Crimson Tide and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
Guest:Now, I am sure if we spent another five hours doing this... And I could, honestly.
Guest:We could run many more through the ringer here.
Guest:And so, yeah, like, hey, listen, you listen to the show, go back, take the points down that we mentioned, make your own.
Guest:You can run your own experiments with dad movies.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But if you also, if you'd like to suggest any, maybe sometime in the next few weeks, we could try a few more.
Guest:But for today, here were the ones that we did in this order.
Guest:Crimson Tide and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, both with 18 points.
Guest:And then you have Apollo 13, the surprise sleeper pick of Apollo 13 with 16 points.
Guest:Midnight Run 14, Field of Dreams 13, The Fugitive 12, Major League 12, The Rock and Rocky III, both with 11 points.
Guest:It's a good list.
Guest:Good deal.
Guest:Good deal, dads.
Marc:Enjoy.
Marc:Yeah, enjoy.
Guest:And all you non-dads out there and people who love dads, you can enjoy these movies, too, because they're great for everyone.
Marc:Yeah, and happy Father's Day, buddy.
Guest:Yeah, same to you as you are a cat dad.
Guest:Indeed.
Guest:And a father of invention.
Guest:The next week we will be back to our Tarantino series.
Guest:We're going to be doing Death Proof.
Guest:So if you want to watch that, if you want to subject yourself to it, I believe it's on one of the streamers.
Guest:Peacock or Paramount or I don't know.
Marc:Yeah, I think it's on Paramount.
Guest:There you go.
Guest:And until next time, I'm Brendan and that's Chris.
Peace!