BONUS Producer Cuts - Chris Pine, Billy Strings, Daniel Stern and more
Guest:Hi, Full Marin people.
Guest:It's Brendan, producer of WTF, back for Producer Cuts, this time with clips from the month of May.
Guest:And as you know, what we do here every month is I present to you the things that I cut out of the episodes, but that I still think you would like to hear.
Guest:For whatever reason, these were not in the main WTF episodes, and I'll tell you why right now as we go through them.
Guest:The first clip here was from the monologue in episode 1535 with Tiffany Haddish,
Guest:And Mark was kind of working through some stuff that got jogged loose during his previous episode with Neil Brennan, some personal stuff about his general, you know, anxiety and where his trauma comes from.
Guest:And he actually wrote to me and said...
Guest:I was all over the place when I recorded this, so you'll have to wrangle it.
Guest:And, you know, sometimes that happens.
Guest:He's just kind of doing stream of consciousness stuff when he records.
Guest:And, you know, I have to kind of give it a little more shape, make it a little more understandable.
Guest:And some stuff just gets cut out.
Guest:But I figured that for those of you who know Mark from listening to him for a very long time, you might appreciate hearing him kind of try to work through some of these issues, even if it's not immediately understandable to general listeners.
Guest:So here was Mark in that monologue while he was trying to figure out some things about himself.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:And I don't even know why I'm saying all this now.
Marc:I think it was really just that there was a sense of diminishing the idea of
Marc:of trauma, and then this guy framing my life as a reaction to that trauma in terms of what I do with it, and then kind of going through all this and seeing my parents get old, and then just wondering how to let go and how to just sort of understand yourself enough to kind of change your ways.
Marc:And it's really about me trying to hopefully find some peace
Marc:Of mind and some sort of grounding.
Marc:And I think it's happening.
Marc:I think it's happening with age and I think it's happening with, you know, also just continuing to kind of visualize and understand myself.
Marc:But man.
Marc:I mean, it's been pretty heavy lately.
Marc:But I guess what the moral of this story is, I didn't let it get me down, man.
Marc:You never knocked me down.
Marc:You didn't knock me down.
Marc:I mean, I've been down, but I've gotten up.
Marc:And it's not sort of a tough love thing.
Marc:It's not a sort of pull myself up on my bootstraps thing.
Marc:It's just that the idea is that I...
Marc:I had such a bad or nonexistent sense of self, I would take everything in and just let it fucking kick me around for a while.
Marc:That's why I liked comedy.
Marc:It blew my mind.
Marc:It made me look at different things in different ways.
Marc:But I just would, like, I was just a fucking...
Marc:Vacuum for anything that would blow my mind.
Marc:And some of that is, you know, some of that is dopamine, some of that.
Marc:But but, you know, after a certain point, you start to kind of fine tune and you have opinions about things, but you can't shy away from stuff.
Marc:So I don't know.
Marc:That's just my process.
Marc:I guess I'm just sort of reeling a little bit from that last conversation with Neil and just thinking more about this stuff and the material I'm doing.
Marc:But but look, I guess the signal of hope is, is that I don't have a perfect life and I'm certainly not in any way a perfect person or even, you know, I definitely have emotional problems and difficulties and psychological problems.
Marc:But.
Marc:I know the ones that continue to hurt me, and I can sort of try to make them a little better.
Marc:I'm just saying stay in the game, folks.
Marc:There's a lot of stuff outside of us that makes it seem hopeless, but just make sure you're not using that stuff to kind of buttress the inner hopelessness.
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:You don't have to give up.
Marc:You don't have to give in.
Marc:You might have to surrender.
Marc:But stay in the saddle, folks.
Marc:You can do it.
Marc:You are who you are.
Marc:It may not be great, but you can make it better.
Marc:How's that?
Marc:Was that a weird pep talk?
Marc:Where did that shit even come from?
Guest:And I'll note that at the end of that monologue there, because of how Mark was going off, when I labeled this clip in my folder, I called it Mark Maron, end of Scrooged, because I really felt like he started to sound like Bill Murray at the end of the movie Scrooged, where the Bill Murray character starts to figure out all these things that he should have been doing with his life and how to be a good person.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That was Mark's little pep talk at the end there reminded me of of Bill Murray and Scrooge.
Guest:The next clip is from Chris Pine in episode 1536.
Guest:And this was just because of something that Mark and Chris were talking about before the episode proper started.
Guest:The mics were on.
Guest:You know, if you listen to these producer cuts, this happens quite a lot.
Guest:This is stuff that really, you know, wouldn't be great for me to start the interview with, particularly here because, like, the both of them are not exactly solid on the details of Rolling Stone's documentaries.
Guest:They're trying to kind of work them out with each other.
Guest:But anyway, this was easing into the conversation before it actually started in the episode you heard.
Marc:Well, you want to believe that, like, no, I got a style.
Marc:You know, I mean, I know they're just simple licks, but I do them with my feeling, you know, my feeling.
Guest:Give Me Shelter, they're... What do you want to call it?
Guest:American Cinematech's playing that in the next couple weeks.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:Have you ever seen it?
Marc:Never seen it.
Marc:Yeah, you should see it.
Marc:It's pretty kind of disturbing.
Marc:And I read the book about Altamont.
Marc:This guy, Joel Selvin, wrote a book, a San Francisco journalist, about all the forces at work in that Altamont thing.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Altamont.
Marc:That's where, you know, Give Me Shelter...
Guest:Oh, right.
Guest:It's about the fucking Red Course.
Marc:Yeah, it's about the Altamont concert, isn't it?
Guest:It's about the concert, yeah.
Marc:I think it is.
Marc:Yeah, and then there's another one.
Guest:But there's one that hasn't been shown.
Guest:Is this correct?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:There's a documentary that apparently hasn't been shown.
Guest:I may be completely wrong about this.
Marc:Well, I mean, Jean-Luc Godard did a, I think he did, I think it was called Sympathy for the Devil, and it was super salacious and deep, dark, and dirty.
Marc:No, not really.
Marc:That was Cocksucker Blues.
Marc:That's a documentary that doesn't get around much.
Marc:That doesn't get around much.
Marc:Right.
Marc:That they don't want to get around much because it's like orgyastic and drugs and cocaine and whatever.
Marc:Yeah, but Godard was doing some weird cutting between social, I think, some sort of social revolution and them in the studio recording Sympathy Free.
Guest:Oh, Algeria, I bet.
Marc:Huh?
Guest:I bet Algeria.
Marc:It might have been, yeah.
Marc:And...
Marc:And then playing, you know, building Sympathy for the Devil in the studio.
Marc:And is that a good one?
Marc:Well, it's good if you like the Stones and you want to see the footage.
Marc:You know, I don't know if the movie, I don't remember it working as a movie, but I always like seeing the Stones.
Marc:I was digging up some stuff the other day because I just started playing with that Keith Richards open tuning.
Marc:You ever tried that?
Marc:Open tuning in five strings.
Marc:Right.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:I took the string off of that Les Paul Jr.
Marc:Well, yeah, because it sounds like him.
Marc:Yeah, right.
Guest:What is that?
Guest:Because it's not a regular open tune.
Marc:It's kind of an open G. It's an open G. Yeah, it's like a Muddy Waters tuning.
Marc:I think Ry Cooter showed it to Keith.
Marc:And also Ry Cooter, I think, might be a little mad about Honky Tonk Woman, about the lick.
Marc:Seriously?
Marc:I think so.
Marc:Don't quote me on it.
Marc:I don't know for sure, but I've heard things.
Marc:But in terms of the slide and all the stuff that Keith does, if you tune your guitar to Open G. And just take off the high E. And then go online.
Marc:And look up how to play Can't You Hear Me Knocking?
Marc:You know, which it seems daunting.
Marc:Like, how do you even do that?
Marc:With the open G, if you go look it up, you'll be like, oh, fuck, I can do this.
Marc:And it sounds just like it.
Guest:Okay, next up was from the monologue on episode 1538 with A. Whitney Brown.
Guest:And something funny happens in this because...
Guest:Well, first, there's some details about a cold he has.
Guest:I always kind of tell Mark, you know, that he has to limit the amount of times he talks about ailments.
Guest:Like people don't love hearing about ailments.
Guest:So I took this cold stuff out.
Guest:Also, Pittsburgh details.
Guest:We just didn't really have time for so much about him being in Pittsburgh.
Guest:So I cut some of this stuff out.
Guest:But you might like to hear about museums in Pittsburgh.
Guest:And then this last part was actually something I was not going to cut out, and Mark asked me to.
Guest:You'll hear in this story he tells, he kind of loses his nerve at the end of it, has second thoughts about his actual feelings during the story.
Guest:And he wrote to me afterwards and said, I don't think that story about the Chipotle lands, we should take it out.
Guest:And I was like...
Guest:I laughed listening to it, and I understood where you're coming from.
Guest:And he was like, nah, I don't even know that I care that much.
Guest:And I said to him in the moment, can I include this later for the Phil Marin listeners?
Guest:And he said, sure.
Guest:So this is for you, and I like the story.
Guest:I kind of related to it, but also I get where he's coming from, where he's like, I don't know, people's motivations behind this is being a little judgmental.
Guest:So you'll hear it.
Guest:This is a clip that Mark recorded right after he got back from Pittsburgh.
Marc:And I don't know what it is.
Marc:I, you know, I guess I should do a COVID test, right?
Marc:Should I?
Marc:I would do one right here on the air with us right now.
Marc:I would time my monologue with a COVID test.
Marc:And I went and looked in my cabinet where my COVID tests were stashed.
Marc:And I think I'm out.
Marc:There were some old ones in there, but weird brands.
Marc:There was like some sort of COVID test that was more complicated than necessary that I got in Canada for free.
Marc:They just give them to you up there.
Marc:And then there was one COVID test I got that I was supposed to do for a shoot, but we ended up doing it another way.
Marc:And it had some sort of battery operated element where you put the canister with the liquid into a battery.
Marc:I don't know if it spun it or it shook it or it heated it.
Marc:But maybe there should be exhibits on all the different COVID tests, the ones with wheels, the ones that could fly.
Marc:The Binax was the one that had some Binaxes, but they were way outdated.
Marc:So I guess I'll go get one just so I know that if I have it, I have it, right?
Marc:I don't think I have it.
Marc:I think I have a cold.
Marc:Doesn't it sound like a cold?
Marc:I took two Sudafeds, getting a freebie, getting a freebie out of the cold.
Marc:So look, you guys, also in Pittsburgh, the Mattress Factory, which is this giant contemporary art museum and also construction.
Marc:I don't know what you would call it.
Marc:There's a lot of art in progress.
Marc:There's a lot of installations.
Marc:There's a lot of big pieces that take up the whole room.
Marc:And there's three buildings.
Marc:And you can't really tell the difference between some of the installations and just the breaking down of the building itself.
Marc:You're like, is this part of it?
Marc:This fountain?
Marc:But I saw some amazing art there.
Marc:Some of the stuff that really blew my mind.
Marc:There was this huge one of the exhibits by this woman, Catalina Schleibener Munoz, maybe is how you pronounce it.
Marc:It was called the Deep, Deep Woods.
Marc:And it was all it was just a massive full room deconstruction of a Raggedy Ann doll.
Marc:I can't even explain it.
Marc:But you can go over to mattress.org and see it a little bit.
Marc:And then there's some other just brain-bending stuff.
Marc:Andrea Pena uses all these sort of mechanized metal sculptures with skin-like bits and pieces, like flapping, almost human skin-like.
Marc:And it was powerful.
Marc:I don't know what it did to my brain.
Marc:This guy, Asim Waggif,
Marc:did this entire sort of construction site gone crazy where you had to wear a hard hat and eye protection to walk through the exhibit.
Marc:Now that's fun, right?
Marc:I kind of felt like because the building's kind of old, I don't know why you don't wear a hard hat the entire time.
Marc:And then there was some fun kind of like puppety stuff by Isla Hansen.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I went there the last time, had a great time.
Marc:I went there this time, had a great time.
Marc:If you are in Pittsburgh,
Marc:Go do it.
Marc:Walk through all of the buildings over there at the mattress factory and take it in because it is happening now.
Marc:A lot of the pieces are happening now in motion.
Marc:So that's always awesome.
Marc:The Sphinx.
Marc:I guess they would be trans sphinxes.
Marc:And then the mattress factory.
Marc:That was sort of the Pittsburgh experience.
Marc:Pittsburgh.
Marc:Show was great.
Marc:Had a nice time.
Marc:Had sort of an event at a Chipotle.
Marc:Yeah, it's weird.
Marc:You know, I do pretty well with the vegan, and I'd forgotten that you can kind of do all right vegan-wise at Chipotle.
Marc:But, you know, there's such a...
Marc:It feels like there's no justice in the world, you know, and it feels like there's no, you know, people aren't held accountable for what they're doing in a big way.
Marc:It seems like this is the age of grifters and lawyers.
Marc:It almost seems like every lawyer who's trying to make his bones is eventually going to work for Trump for at least a week or two, if you're that kind of lawyer.
Marc:Defend the ex-president.
Marc:He should open up a law school for fuck's sake.
Marc:But this is beside the point.
Marc:I'm saying that because there's a general feeling that righteousness is not...
Marc:Really honored or happening and that we're in the face of just ignorance and and insensitivity by bullying and doubling down on bullshit.
Marc:But sometimes it happens in in that's the macro and the micro.
Marc:I don't know about you, but sometimes in your life, you'll lock into little things where it seems like justice is not happening.
Marc:And I had this experience at the Chipotle, and I got involved a little bit.
Marc:And it's weird because I know it's a bigger issue.
Marc:None of this makes that big a difference.
Marc:So me and Claire get to the Chipotle and it's chaos.
Marc:There's like 30 people waiting.
Marc:There's one woman, you know, working the counter with the food.
Marc:There's four or five other people there.
Marc:There's a woman who eventually comes to the register, but it's chaos.
Marc:I don't know what the backstory is, but it's not a great night for the people working at Chipotle.
Marc:So we're waiting and it's going, so it picks up.
Marc:Someone else comes out and helps her.
Marc:And so I get, I order my stuff and
Marc:Claire orders her stuff.
Marc:Then we get to the register.
Marc:And the woman who had paid right before me, who I didn't really notice, comes back into the restaurant waving her receipt.
Marc:And she comes up to the counter and she says, I was charged for a chicken burrito, but I ordered a veggie burrito.
Marc:I have a veggie burrito in the bag, but I was charged for a chicken burrito.
Marc:So the woman at the register says, oh, okay.
Marc:And she thinks for a minute and she goes, oh, they're the same price.
Marc:And then the woman goes, right, but they are, so shouldn't I get some chicken?
Marc:And I'm like thinking, no, no, they're the same price.
Marc:I mean, you ordered the veggie, you got the veggie.
Marc:If you would have ordered the chicken, it would have been the same price.
Marc:And, you know, no, I'm assuming you wanted the veggie.
Marc:So why should you get chicken?
Marc:That's what I'm thinking.
Marc:And then the woman who was serving, she goes, I don't need this shit.
Marc:You know, I'm pregnant.
Marc:I don't need this shit.
Marc:I'm fucking leaving.
Marc:She walks out.
Marc:And then the manager comes out and I'm like, the woman looks at me, she goes, don't you get it?
Marc:Like I paid, I got a veggie, but I was charged for a chicken.
Marc:And I said, yeah, but they're the same price.
Marc:And she says, but they didn't used to be.
Marc:I'm like, well, a lot of things didn't used to be, but this is what it is now.
Marc:I don't know how that's the fault.
Marc:And what am I, what do I care?
Marc:But it didn't make sense.
Marc:She goes, I don't know how you don't see that that makes sense.
Marc:I'm like, it doesn't.
Marc:It's not like a chicken burrito is a veggie burrito with chicken.
Marc:But look, it doesn't matter.
Marc:But my brain is working it.
Marc:My brain wants some sort of justice.
Marc:My brain didn't like her entitlement.
Marc:My brain didn't want the people at Chipotle to accommodate her because I think she was wrong.
Marc:And then I see the manager, you know, he's going for the chicken.
Marc:I'm like, don't do it, dude.
Marc:Don't do it.
Marc:It's not.
Marc:She doesn't need.
Marc:She doesn't.
Marc:She's not entitled to chicken.
Marc:You know, but he gives her the chicken.
Marc:And I'm like, God damn, man.
Marc:I'm not saying this out loud.
Marc:But then he looks at her and says, have a blessed day.
Marc:And when it's said like that, it means fuck you.
Marc:But he didn't care.
Marc:Doesn't make a big deal.
Marc:None of it is a big deal.
Marc:And I just know I walked away from that.
Marc:I hated that lady.
Marc:I was frustrated.
Marc:I felt like she was entitled.
Marc:But now two days go by, and now I'm thinking, like, what if she only got the veggie burrito because it was cheaper, but she really wanted chicken, but she thought it was the same price.
Marc:She always got the veggie burrito.
Marc:So then empathy is starting to creep into my judgment and my contempt for her.
Marc:So it's kind of ruining the story.
Marc:So I'm glad I got it out before it all faded.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, boy.
Guest:OK, next is Billy Strings from episode 1539.
Guest:And these are just some details about Nashville and a lot of names without introductions or discussions about people who weren't exactly integral to the story.
Guest:But if you're a big Billy Strings fan, you might enjoy hearing this stuff because a lot of it is about like the formation of his band.
Guest:I just didn't think it was necessary for the full episode.
Guest:But it does end with a funny story that I was sad to have to cut.
Guest:And I'm glad I can put it back in here now.
Marc:Now, when you get to Nashville, like, is it challenging?
Marc:Like, when you say pickers, are you looking to learn and kind of, like, get into it?
Guest:Man, when I got to Nashville, it was like I knew more people than I did where I just moved from.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I'm saying, in Traverse City, where I lived for several years, I'd walk into the bar and I'd know a handful of people, maybe.
Guest:The first night I moved to Nashville, I mean, I drove the U-Haul down to...
Guest:parked it in the driveway, walked a couple blocks to the five spot where my friends were hanging out.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And there was a band playing.
Guest:I knew every other person that walked in the door from touring, from festivals, from Folk Alliance, from all just the gigs that I've played.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I was like, oh, there's John Milander.
Guest:Oh, there's Lindsay Liu.
Guest:Oh, here comes, you know, Sierra Hull.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, here, you know, it's like, holy shit.
Guest:Like, it's like a festival.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Everyone's here.
Guest:And so I was immediately...
Guest:Nashville had open arms for me.
Guest:It was beautiful.
Marc:And that's where you make the next records?
Guest:Yeah, absolutely.
Guest:That's where I started.
Guest:I did the EP there.
Guest:Is that where you put your band together?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:So I moved down there, and I was living in this house.
Guest:It was on Petway Avenue.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My roommate at the time was Molly Tuttle, and she's a—I mean, I'm sure you know about her.
Guest:She's an excellent—
Guest:musician that's kicking ass right now great flat picking guitar player yeah so i you know we like when i moved down there my roommate who was supposed to be he kind of bailed at the last minute and i'm like oh fuck you know yeah how am i gonna afford this all by myself and then at the same time molly was looking for a place to live i'm like dude come live over here we can jam and it'll be sweet so yeah we lived together for a couple years and right across the street was lindsey lu um
Guest:who's a wonderful friend of mine from michigan she kind of convinced me to move to nashville yeah in fact she's the one that sent me that house that i lived in so the house across the street just opened up yeah so yeah she's the one that convinced me to do it man but uh i moved over there and and lindsey lou would have these picking parties so i walked over one night one night and there was this kid sitting there picking the banjo with long hair and he looked good and he's playing good and
Guest:We jammed for a while.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:His name's Billy Failing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I was like, hey man, would you want to play any gigs with me?
Guest:And he's like, hell yeah.
Guest:He was like working at a restaurant at the time, like riding his bike like five miles back and forth to work.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like, you know.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And, uh...
Guest:so he's like fuck yeah so he jumped in and we did a few gigs just you know we did a gig or two just me and him and then i had my old bass player kevin gills play and then eventually um i met uh this guy named brad tucker well actually i knew brad tucker from before but he's a friend of mine that he jumped in and played bass uh for a couple years and for the first turmoil record yeah and
Guest:And then originally there was a fella named Drew Matlich that was on Madeline.
Guest:And then we made the Turmoil record.
Guest:And again, we were probably working too hard.
Guest:Was that all originals?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, I think so.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I don't...
Guest:i might have put like salt creek on there yeah but and you're writing all the songs yeah yeah yeah um but yeah after you know a bunch of hard touring you know it kind of it kind of can i just i don't want to say like weed out but it only the strong survive you know and it takes it's so much more than just
Guest:is somebody a great player or is somebody, you know... It's more about relationships and vibes and how do people, you know, get along and stuff.
Guest:And, you know, eventually...
Guest:band members you know yeah at the time it kind of seemed like it was there was a lot of hostile kind of shit going on yeah so we lost drew and and brad and it was all on good terms you know i think and everybody's doing good these days but i met royal my bass player now at a fish concert and i was on a head full of acid and uh
Guest:he kind of asked me if I should, or if we wanted to jam or something, and I was like, ah, I don't know, you know, and I just, it was kind of a weird, I was just socially awkward.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:But then, you know, I got together and jammed with him, and we really hit it off, and I remember our first gig,
Guest:Like, my impression of Royal is that he was, like, a goody-goody.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like, he was, like, maybe not, like, a church guy, but, like, not far off.
Guest:Like, you know, this guy.
Guest:Like, I don't know.
Guest:He kind of seems like a goody-goody or something.
Guest:And then I remember the first night of our gig, we, like, we both, like,
Guest:Also, our first gig was this party called Terrapin Farms or something in Kentucky, and it was on somebody's property.
Guest:There was a huge fire.
Guest:There was naked people and people dressed as animals and covered in glitter, and it was just like this crazy party.
Guest:And some of the folks that were there said, hey, man, you want to come down and do a bump or something?
Guest:And so me and Roy will jump on this golf cart.
Yeah.
Guest:And we go down in this house and we do this line of cocaine and we get back to the set.
Guest:And I've never played a gig with Royal in my life.
Guest:And he just looks at me and goes, I can tell this is going to be a really good gig, man.
Guest:And we went on stage and there was, like I said, naked guy right in front of us just dong hanging out.
Guest:Just like, whoa, this is a crazy vibe.
Guest:And yeah, it was a really good gig.
Guest:That was a fun party, man.
Guest:Did it change your pace?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was always terrible doing that shit before a gig.
Guest:You can't play when you're on that stuff.
Guest:It wasn't good.
Guest:We were younger and we were going hard at that time.
Guest:We were partying and drinking and doing all sorts of shit.
Guest:All right.
Guest:And the last guest outtake that we have from the month of May was Daniel Stern on episode 1540.
Guest:You know, this is an interesting thing, I think, to listen to is that sometimes we get questions from listeners that go, why didn't you talk about this movie that the person made or that movie that the person made?
Guest:And this is a good way to hear how Mark sometimes tries to get people onto talking about projects of theirs and what happens when it's a non-starter.
Guest:So this was like Mark trying to see if there was anything to talk about with the movie City Slickers 2 or the movie Celtic Pride, which Mark calls Celtic Pride.
Guest:But this was just a case of these stories not really amounting to much.
Guest:There's some nice stuff about Dan Aykroyd in here, but wasn't enough to keep in the episode.
Guest:And I just did...
Guest:Can you watch yourself?
Guest:I can.
Guest:But I don't.
Guest:There's so many of my movies I've never seen.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because once I'm done with the acting part, it's up to the editor and the director.
Guest:There's nothing I can do.
Guest:But if I've directed myself in something, I'm fine watching myself and cutting myself.
Guest:I like if I'm in control of it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But if I'm not...
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:I mean, I do that.
Marc:Yeah, I don't watch a lot of myself, but sometimes I have to just because I feel like I'm still learning something, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, but I don't think I learn anything watching myself.
Guest:It's just like, shit.
Marc:Other than like, what the fuck am I doing?
Guest:Yeah, God, you look old, motherfucker.
Marc:But you did Wonder Years for a long time.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, sweet.
Marc:Good gig.
Marc:And then you did that Celtic Pride movie, Colin Quinn's movie, right?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And that did all right?
Yeah.
Guest:That's one I've never seen.
Guest:I don't think so.
Guest:I think that was kind of a mediocre success.
Marc:Wasn't Jeff Ross in that too?
Marc:Yeah, Jeff's in that.
Marc:Yeah, funny.
Guest:They were like crazy crowd people.
Guest:It was Ackroyd.
Guest:I hung with Dan.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:Did you talk about aliens?
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, a little bit.
Guest:Dan is just the sweetest, charming, I mean, and just himself.
Guest:Completely individual dude.
Guest:Yeah, a real nerd for certain things.
Guest:Yeah, I mean, like he...
Guest:The first time I met Dan, he had taken – some rich guy had given him a caboose.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he hooked it to a train in L.A.
Guest:and rode the caboose all the way to Boston where we shot the movie and lived on the train on the tracks behind MIT.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:And I went to his – like it was some old western, you know, with carpeted walls and shit.
Marc:That was his thing.
Guest:That was his place.
Guest:And it was like –
Marc:That was his trailer for the movie?
Marc:That was his hotel.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Guest:He lived there.
Guest:That's where he went home to.
Marc:So he had them bring it up.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's crazy.
Marc:Isn't that?
Marc:It's amazing.
Marc:Like I did a small part in the Joker movie and I was just sort of amazed that De Niro's got his, he owns a trailer, but it's almost like this, it's like a bunker.
Marc:Like they park it on the lot.
Marc:I'm like, what is that thing?
Marc:It looks menacing.
Marc:But I mean, you get to a certain point, you make a certain amount of money.
Marc:It's like, what do you got to sit on one of those fucking Naugahyde trailer beds?
Marc:Well, I know.
Marc:That's the thing.
Guest:The trailer, like you mentioned earlier, like the trailer life.
Guest:Even the nicest trailer is horrible.
Guest:It's a prison.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's a fucking prison.
Guest:Nothing works.
Marc:There's nine remotes.
Guest:You can't turn anything on.
Guest:And you can't.
Guest:What am I going to watch a movie while I'm waiting to go do my part?
Guest:You can't do anything anyway.
Oh, yeah.
Guest:All right, back to a few more monologues before we close this out.
Guest:This was from episode 1541, the episode with Steph Talov.
Guest:And this was just some mundane things about his Vancouver living situation.
Guest:I didn't think they were entirely necessary, but if you've been following his Vancouver stay, maybe you want to hear some of this stuff.
Marc:After I went to the Whole Foods, I bought some of the stuff that I need to make me feel like I can live my life.
Marc:I can't eat at restaurants all the time.
Marc:I went to a couple of amazing restaurants up here too.
Marc:This is the best ramen in the world.
Marc:And there's this place I went to called Ramen Dambo.
Marc:And they had like four different kinds of vegetarian, of vegan ramen.
Marc:It was insane.
Marc:It was so good.
Marc:That's where me and Owen went.
Marc:And then the other night I went to this place called Aleph.
Marc:which was a vegan, like Israeli, Middle Eastern-ish kind of place.
Marc:Amazing.
Marc:But you can't eat that shit all the time.
Marc:And I got a fully, you know, stocked with cookware and stuff, this kitchen here.
Marc:So I guess I'm just going to have to dig in.
Marc:I don't think I've ever really done this before and just start cooking and living life.
Marc:And you realize when you go away and you got to cook for yourself, if you cook for yourself, that you pretty much cook the same five things.
Marc:So, you know, I think I'm on top of it.
Marc:I think I'm going to be okay over here.
Marc:There's a gym nearby that I belong to in Los Angeles, and they got a branch here.
Marc:There's a gym in the building.
Marc:The bed's pretty comfortable.
Marc:The only one problem is, and I don't understand why people do this, like half of this, the entire wall, a whole wall is just a window, right?
Marc:pretty much to that overlooks a city, which is great.
Marc:But the shades they have, they don't black out.
Marc:And I don't like how, how do people live like that?
Marc:Don't you have to be in total darkness sometimes?
Marc:I mean, not as a metaphor that I think that's true as well, but, but in a living space, don't you want to have the option of total darkness?
Marc:So we'll see how that goes.
Marc:I think I'll be all right.
Guest:OK, and from the monologue in episode 1542 with Molly Ringwald, this was something I had to cut because we did something we weren't supposed to.
Guest:And Mark wasn't really aware of that.
Guest:There is a guest coming up on the show that before Mark interviewed this person, they sent an upcoming behind the music episode.
Guest:And that episode is actually under embargo.
Guest:They haven't announced it yet.
Guest:They haven't announced that this person is having a behind the music episode.
Guest:And Mark didn't know that.
Guest:And in the monologue, he mentioned it.
Guest:And then he mentioned it to get onto what I think is a pretty good, uh, rant about Nepo babies and, uh, Mark's distaste for that phrase.
Guest:Uh, but I really couldn't keep this in there because of the use of that person.
Guest:And in fact, in this clip, I'm going to bleep out the name since this embargo hasn't been lifted yet.
Guest:And they still have not announced this behind the music episode for this musician.
Guest:So, uh,
Guest:You will hear what happened after Mark got off on this jag.
Guest:And I like this stuff.
Guest:I like when he gets all fired up about this.
Guest:I appreciate the place it comes from.
Guest:I just couldn't include it in the episode because of the mistake.
Marc:I just recently, you know, watched.
Marc:It's not out yet, but behind the music with.
Marc:who I'm going to talk to, you know, and there was just this idea, you know, there's a point in it where, you know, he's just being trolled so heavily by just nasty anonymous fucks who are like, you know, you're only in the business because you're dead.
Marc:You're not even playing your solos.
Marc:And this is just a kid, you know, and he's just doing the best he can.
Marc:And he's a very proficient musician, but they were just, you're a Nepo baby.
Marc:And I can't,
Marc:This fucking Nepo baby idea.
Marc:I put a clip up on TikTok of that section of Chris Pine and I talking about it.
Marc:Chris Pine, who is, I guess, categorically a legacy actor because his dad was an actor.
Marc:But this derogatory, derisive idea of Nepo babies, it's so stupid.
Marc:And it's just like, it just plays into this, like, you know, Hollywood elites.
Marc:It's like right around the corner from the Jews run Hollywood.
Marc:It's just a way for, you know, bitter, entitled people to, you know, take shots.
Marc:And the reason it bothers me is I started thinking about it the other day.
Marc:And I got to be honest with you.
Marc:I've talked to a lot of creative people here.
Marc:Actors, writers, directors, musicians.
Marc:You know, all just...
Marc:all types of creative people, comedians.
Marc:And I got to be honest with you in terms of the business I'm in to some degree, which is show business is that I would say upwards of 90% of them started from a humble beginnings in families that, you know, the last thing that family might've wanted them to do is pursue, pursue show business because it's scary and there's no security.
Marc:And most of the time you talk to people that get into show business from
Marc:from just working-class families or just regular families.
Marc:Most of the time, the parents, they're generally reluctantly supportive but nervous for their future.
Marc:So my point is that almost everyone in show business did not start in show business.
Marc:They took a risk with their fucking lives with no guarantee at all that anything would ever work out.
Marc:And through persistence, creativity, hopefully some talent, and just figuring a few things out and maybe getting one or two lucky breaks, they might have found their way.
Marc:But this idea to judge...
Marc:This industry, you know, by this idea that it's run by nepotism, that's like maybe it's got to be like two percent.
Marc:I mean, it's just so fucking blind and dumb and shallow and just rooted in some sort of bitter entitlement and anger over what?
Marc:Over what?
Marc:Figure it out.
Marc:Sure, things are easier for people with family or in the business.
Marc:Sure, things are easier with people sometimes who come from some degree of support or financial support, but that doesn't always guarantee you anything.
Marc:And neither does having people in the family.
Marc:I don't even know why I'm worked up about this.
Marc:I think it was just because when I hear that thing with the sort of
Marc:with the tone of it.
Marc:It's just that it's like only a few people, you know, percentage wise.
Marc:It's just like these idiots who just, you know, cannot have or muster up the tolerance for trans people or LGBTQ or Jews or anything else.
Marc:These are fucking, there's hardly any of them.
Marc:You know, what is wrong with your fucking life that you have to, you know, sort of die on the fucking hill of, you know, trying to destroy or push out such a small percentage of the cultural and real population.
Marc:It's like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Marc:I mean, figure something out for yourself.
Marc:Jesus Christ.
Marc:Anyway, look.
Guest:All right.
Guest:And finally, from the month of May, we have the monologue in episode 1543 with Tony Goldwyn.
Guest:And this is Mark talking about that hike in Vancouver, the Grouse Grind, before he did it.
Guest:And I don't know, it just seemed kind of irrelevant to me at the time.
Guest:But now that he's done the hike and he talked about doing it, and I know he got a lot of feedback from people in Vancouver who have done the hike.
Guest:Maybe it's fun to kind of hear him, you know, anticipating it before it happened.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Everything's good.
Marc:I got to get out there and hike.
Marc:I was talking to one of the transpo people.
Marc:She's been driving me around.
Marc:She's a very nice lady.
Marc:We were talking about hiking, you know, and I'm like, because I heard about this hike, the Grouse Route or the Grouse, I don't remember what it was.
Marc:Owen was going to go and we were going to go.
Marc:I guess I will go.
Marc:What was it called?
Marc:Because what was it?
Marc:the grouse grind.
Marc:Now, apparently this is like a straight uphill, kind of a incline for like an hour.
Marc:And then you have to take a gondola down.
Marc:I don't quite understand that.
Marc:Sounds okay.
Marc:I didn't go do it, but you know, I'm used to those incline hikes, but I was talking to the transfer person and she's like, yeah, it's all right.
Marc:It gets crowded.
Marc:But, but she's recommending these other hikes that are very pretty.
Marc:And it was one of those moments where I realized like, am I hiking?
Marc:Cause I like to hike.
Marc:I mean, in terms of like seeing stuff or enjoying nature or for the meditative element, or am I just trying to get my heart jacked up so I can get my dopamine jacked up so I can not feel the darkness surrounding me?
Marc:Is that it?
Marc:What am I doing it for?
Marc:And I like, I want to take a pretty hike, but a pretty hike to me is like you hike for like three hours, three and a half hours to where you get into this hike zone, which is almost like being buzzed, but it's not big workout, but you're definitely buzzed with nature.
Marc:But I haven't really looked at it like that.
Marc:I'm sort of like, yeah, I just want to get, I just want to go up, feel the, feel my heart pounding, like pounding.
Marc:you know, in a healthy way, you know, and that's different.
Marc:Heart pounding from hiking, an incline is different than the heart pounding from the cocaine and you're just laying in your bed.
Marc:That doesn't feel like exercise.
Marc:That's been a long time ago, but I sometimes wonder about the effect of the heart pounding.
Marc:Are they similar?
Marc:Are they doing the same thing somewhat?
Marc:No, I don't think so.
Marc:I rarely get down from the mountain after hiking up it all sweaty and think like, dude, we got to go again now.
Marc:We just got to go.
Marc:We just got to turn around and go.
Marc:I just got to get jacked, man.
Marc:We got to go.
Marc:Let's go.
Marc:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no stretching.
Marc:Let's just, we got to go.
Marc:We probably have to get two or three more in today.
Marc:I might just have to go until tomorrow morning probably.
Marc:Just hike up and down until tomorrow morning.
Marc:Not the same.
Marc:Definitely not the same.
Marc:So look, people, I'm okay.
Marc:You okay?
Guest:Okay, that'll do it for this month's Producer Cuts episode.
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