BONUS The Friday Show - On the QT: The Hateful Eight
Guest:apparently Bruce Dern is known for that.
Guest:Like, you know, he's throwing these ad libs in and it totally pissed off Tim Roth and Michael Madsen who have been working with Tarantino for years.
Guest:And they're like, how come we're not allowed to do that?
Guest:And Tarantino's like, cause you're not Bruce Dern.
Yeah.
Guest:Hey, Chris.
Guest:Brendan, my man.
Guest:I'm not going to pretend like I haven't seen you.
Guest:I've seen you a bunch.
Guest:Oh, yeah, a whole lot.
Guest:We've been to baseball games.
Guest:We've been to wrestling.
Guest:We went out to dinner.
Guest:It's been a big September for us.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:And, you know, the entire time, though, I was thinking, have you ever impersonated Mark?
Marc:Like, do you have a good impersonation of Mark?
Marc:You can do Arnold Schwarzenegger, like, really well.
Guest:Oh, I mean, you've heard my mark and anyone listening has heard my mark.
Guest:And it's not so much an impersonation as it is an impression of his essence.
Guest:You know, like you don't have to.
Guest:I always think about it like, you know, Chevy Chase didn't do an impression of Gerald Ford.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But, you know, the Chevy Chase Gerald Ford was indelible.
Guest:Everybody remembers what it was, right?
Guest:You know, he'd just stumble into the room and fall down and he'd have twitchy eyes and stuff.
Guest:That was Gerald Ford.
Guest:It was fine.
Guest:He looked like Chevy Chase.
Guest:They didn't even try to do anything else.
Guest:So, yeah, whenever I'm... And believe me, I have not, like, tried to, like, craft a Mark impression.
Guest:But it's just like whenever I need to, you know, talk about Mark and, you know...
Guest:kind of do his voice, you know, I get very agitated.
Guest:I get everything goes up here, you know, and there's maybe some, sometimes just you pepper in a fuck or two or whatever.
Guest:And then it's just like, all of a sudden you're like, what the fuck is going on?
Guest:Why are you giving this to me?
Marc:So it's safe to say it's over caffeinated Mark from what we heard on the bonus episode, right?
Marc:Oh yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Big time.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:I remember that over caffeinated mark and it is quite a sight to behold.
Marc:I personally loved my favorite quote of that is, you ever over jack yourself?
Guest:I also love because he's got such an addict brain, which I don't love that he has an addict brain.
Guest:I'm not saying that, but I'm saying, I love that the result of it in his sobriety is that like, it's always something.
Guest:It's always either.
Guest:It's like, it's always either, you know, caffeine or nicotine.
Guest:Or remember when we were doing air America and he would eat M&Ms every morning.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And then he blamed the M&Ms.
Guest:I'm all fucked up on M&Ms.
Guest:Or the city bakery stuff.
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:He would curse it.
Guest:He would curse it in the city bakery, which was owned by Doug Krieger, who owned, was a majority owner of Air America at the time.
Guest:They would send over these plates, breakfast plates on Fridays.
Guest:You know, so we would get done with the morning show and go into the break room and there's big, you know, spread of bakery, baked goods and fruits and stuff.
Guest:And he would get like, he'd be like, oh, fuck, they fucked the chocolate ones?
Guest:Oh, goddamn.
Guest:And...
Guest:He'd be so upset.
Guest:But then if there was ever a week where it didn't come, furious.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Like he's like, where's our fucking food?
Marc:The same amount of fury.
Marc:No matter if they're there or not.
Marc:It was unbelievable.
Marc:He's quite a character.
Marc:I also loved him just talking to himself about going to sleep.
Marc:Like, sleep, you fuck.
Marc:I've been there myself.
Marc:I call that the PCUing yourself, which is basically just Jeremy Piven in PCU talking to, who was it?
Marc:David Spade.
Marc:David Spade.
Marc:Yeah, go to sleep.
Marc:Dumping vodka on him.
Guest:Yeah, there was a lot of stuff that, you know, as I was listening to those producer cuts again, I was like, yeah, I mean, I didn't make the wrong decision cutting these out of the actual episodes.
Guest:But for people like yourself, and I think you're a representative of a lot of people who subscribe to this bonus stuff, it's actually sometimes it's like exactly what the doctor ordered.
Guest:Like you're like, oh, yeah, that's the mark I like.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Just need a little bit of a sip of it.
Marc:I don't need a whole, you know, cup.
Marc:I just need to sit.
Guest:Well, also here's something.
Guest:This is a very interesting thing that I notice.
Guest:And now, you know, we're 15 years in and 15 years is a long time.
Guest:And it's not just a long time for us.
Guest:It's a long time for an audience.
Guest:And it's a long time to, you know, basically think your audience is going to be the same.
Guest:Like they're not.
Guest:And I noticed this reaction from people, you know, sometimes to Mark himself where they're like,
Guest:this guy over shares and it's like, you know, it's like, I don't need to know all this or that.
Guest:And it's like, first of all, let me just make perfectly clear.
Guest:That's never going to influence my decision in like what the show is.
Guest:Like, I'm not going to be like, Oh, well we can't have Mark sharing stuff on the show, but it's also if, if he gives, sends me a monologue that's, you know, 30 minutes long and I got to cut like 50, cut it down 15 minutes so that we can get to the interview at a reasonable pace and
Guest:Like I'm going to be looking for stuff that doesn't actually have a narrative connection and take it out.
Guest:And a lot of that winds up being the like, for lack of a better term, oversharing like his just, you know, things about his health or things about his, you know, fears and anxieties.
Guest:And that winds up coming out.
Guest:But it did get me thinking like, what's going on with this idea that like,
Guest:It all goes back to the popularization of the word cringe, which I fucking hate.
Guest:And I find that term offensive.
Guest:I find that term to be a term used to diminish and to make people afraid of their authentic selves.
Guest:And I think it's rooted in the fact that younger generations have now been...
Guest:understanding of being watched and viewed all the time they live their lives publicly on social media on youtube on any type of video or streaming so every from the youngest age you're conscious of like a camera being on you you know when we were kids people take your picture and then you didn't see it till the film got developed or whatever you know
Guest:Nowadays, my kid, he has watched his whole life on repeat all throughout his life.
Guest:He, you know, on our iCloud, on any device that we're ever on, he can access videos of himself at any age of his life.
Guest:And so he just watches himself like a movie, right?
Guest:I think this idea of people being viewed all the time leads to this kind of self-consciousness of how you act.
Guest:in public and there's this sense of embarrassment around acting a certain way and that's where this idea of cringe comes from and i i'm like i i push i'm like the you know there's like anti-woke people i'm anti-cringe like i fucking i would do anything i could to kill cringe in the crib uh and i noticed it with the reaction to kathleen hannah like there there was response of people being like
Guest:That was weird of her talking about her dad being, you know, leering at her and her sister and whatnot.
Guest:And it's like...
Guest:you'd think that's like, that's a person's experience.
Guest:And they have that.
Guest:Lots of people have that.
Guest:And this idea that you shouldn't share that, like people would go, like if she was talking about an actual sexual assault by her father, people would want her to share that.
Guest:That would be like, you know, Oh, you have to speak up about that.
Guest:You have to talk about it, but something that might be a little uncomfortable or awkward or make you as a listener feel unsettled by it.
Guest:For some reason now that's off limits and people are like, why did I have to hear that?
Guest:It's a weird thing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:No, I agree.
Marc:That is silly.
Marc:And that's the listener just trying to project in some weird way.
Marc:I personally loved that episode.
Marc:That was like a good insecurity therapy session.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:It's what we've been doing from the start.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And like inner child stuff.
Marc:I loved what she was saying about.
Marc:yeah just you know what if i i like lock my inner child in the trunk and then we just throw that car off the cliff man that is that is something i will never stop chasing like i love that i love that so much
Guest:But I also love that her therapist was like, well, no, maybe don't kill it.
Marc:No, no, you're supposed to hug it.
Marc:I'm like, oh, is that what we wanted to do?
Marc:Just abandon it and hope it dies.
Marc:Oh, boy.
Guest:Yeah, that's a good episode for that stuff.
Guest:It's also a good episode for like, you know, learning about an experience that's not yours.
Guest:I mean, like, you know, I don't know much about the, you know, feminist punk scene of the 80s and 90s.
Guest:Like, great.
Guest:Tell me more.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Absolutely.
Marc:I also love that she loved Glow.
Marc:It's always funny that people still talk to Mark about like, oh yeah, I loved you in that thing.
Marc:Does he ever realize, oh yeah, that's the thing I'm probably most famous for at this point?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I don't know that I agree with you.
Guest:I don't think it is.
Guest:I it's, it's very like just on a, on a, you know, per capita basis, how much he gets recognized for things.
Guest:It's, it's a varied thing.
Guest:Like, you know, he always talks to me jokes about how people will come up, would come up to him and be like, I love your show.
Guest:And he would have no idea what they were talking about.
Guest:Like, are you talking about glow?
Guest:Are you talking about the podcast?
Guest:Are you talking about Marin?
Guest:Like what, what thing, but to them, it is the one thing, right?
Guest:Like,
Guest:And so, you know, it's it's all a mishmash for him.
Guest:And I don't know.
Guest:Yeah, I don't know that glow is going to be the thing he's most known for.
Guest:I wonder, you know, I think Mark's probably getting closer to that, you know, end of his career where people just kind of now just know, oh, yeah, that guy, Mark Maron.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, so he's in a variety of things and context and they just pick out whatever one.
Marc:Yeah, I mean, look, you say he's like maybe in the end of his career, but he could be like Bruce Dern, you know?
Marc:Like he can just have an ongoing career.
Guest:When I say the end, I just mean closer to the end than the beginning.
Marc:Yeah, all right.
Guest:Clearly, just because of how time works.
Marc:Right, yes.
Marc:I gotcha.
Marc:Yeah, that episode was great.
Marc:Elizabeth Olsen, can we just get right into it?
Marc:She is, first of all, the A24 movie she's working on sounds dope.
Guest:Yeah, I went and looked that up.
Guest:It does sound pretty good.
Marc:It sounds like defending your life, basically.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:You know?
Marc:I mean, sign me up.
Marc:Like, I'm there opening night.
Marc:But I thought of you because, like, your music choice was, like, this, like, deep, you know, sort of we're getting into it.
Marc:I feel like I can pick up on things.
Marc:Like, all right, we're going deep.
Marc:We're going deep on this one.
Marc:What are we going deep on?
Marc:Turns out it's LDLs.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, you know, it's so funny about that.
Guest:That's it's very interesting.
Guest:You picked up the music right away because that was a bit of music that I had, you know, heard when I was looking for stuff like a month ago.
Guest:And we had recorded that interview probably in the middle of August or something like that.
Guest:And I was like, oh, I'll put this with that Olsen episode because I listened to the beginning of that and this will match up nicely with
Guest:So, like, that was a very specific music choice that I picked out, like, yeah, four or five weeks ago.
Marc:Oh, man, that was intense.
Marc:Let me ask you, because you talk about oversharing and, like, I listen to the bonus episodes, obviously.
Marc:So does everyone listening now.
Marc:Were you – because I was thinking, I was like, well, I wonder why he's leaving all of this in.
Marc:And I'm thinking it must come back around towards the end of the episode.
Marc:So he just cannot –
Marc:cut any of this out?
Marc:Or were you just like, this is great?
Guest:Partially that.
Guest:And the thing that I did come back around, so I needed to make sure it was there, was being the old lady in New York.
Guest:But all the cholesterol stuff, I mean, truth be told, I did thin some of that out.
Guest:There was maybe...
Guest:If they, let's say, and I'm not saying this is right, but let's say they talked about it for 10 minutes.
Guest:There might have been like 12 or 14 minutes of it there.
Guest:And I just like cut some stuff out.
Guest:And you know what I usually do is I'll cut out stuff if Mark is very repetitive about something where he's telling this guest a thing for the first time, but the listeners have heard it a lot.
Guest:So like, that's fine.
Guest:But I did think to myself, I was like...
Guest:this is great like this is a you know marvel superhero movie star uh you know people have her in a certain context in their brain and what's better than the fact that she showed up to play about this right from the start like they're just getting into food issues and their health issues and there's one point where she laughed
Guest:about it right that she's like i can't believe this is how we're starting but i like it and i i wanted the the interview to have that feeling like i wanted people to be listening to it having that same reaction like are they really talking about their their health issues and food issues for the song but also that stuff to me has always been the case where like it illuminates the person right away way more than if you started talking about their acting or anything you're like she said i have an eating disorder
Guest:In the first three minutes of them talking, like you don't get to that in a GQ profile or whatever until the last page.
Guest:Like it takes forever.
Guest:So if Mark's style is going to get us there right away because they do this, that's the fucking gift of the show.
Marc:Totally, yeah.
Marc:And she's just a person, you know?
Marc:She's not just a Marvel superhero, like you said.
Marc:I also love that she listens.
Marc:She's like, oh, nicotine.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, it comes up.
Marc:Yeah, I often wonder that.
Guest:How much do people listen a lot?
Guest:Or did they, when they booked the show, they were like, I better, I better cram on this, you know?
Guest:Because like, what's his name?
Guest:Sebastian Stan, you know, who plays Bucky, the Winter Soldier.
Guest:And he was just on yesterday.
Guest:Mark just recorded an interview with him because he's, you know, playing Trump in this new Trump movie.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And also another movie that looks very interesting that a different man where he's got the facial disorder and he gets a surgery to make it change.
Guest:Anyway.
Marc:Interesting.
Marc:I don't watch any trailers anymore.
Marc:So that sounds interesting.
Guest:You don't?
Guest:Don't you go to the AMC every week?
Guest:Don't you see 30 minutes of trailers?
Guest:Or you go deliberately when they're done?
Marc:Yeah, go in 20 minutes after, and Nicole Kidman's on the screen, and it's like- Oh, okay, that's your ticket.
Marc:Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:So I'm sorry, you gotta continue.
Guest:But anyway, yeah, Bucky, I mean, Sebastian Stan, you know, he-
Guest:He brought up, you know, like Elizabeth, you know, I was just listening to that.
Guest:And I was like, so were you like, you know, are you cramming for a test?
Guest:Is that how that goes?
Marc:Yeah, there has to be a publicist sort of thing.
Marc:Like here, here's the last three episodes.
Marc:Like maybe give it a listen or something.
Guest:I mean, sometimes that's explicit.
Guest:Sometimes people come to us and go like, which one should we let our, you know, tell so-and-so to hear or whatever.
Guest:But I think Mark can generally tell, right?
Guest:Like he can tell when somebody comes over and they're like, where are the cats?
Guest:You know, or whatever.
Guest:Like they're asking when they, you know, show up at the door, like, or they're like, oh, this is what it looks like.
Guest:You know, like if he senses from them, he knows that they've been listening.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Uh, I, I, man, everything, there was so much stuff in that beginning.
Marc:Like is Mark obsessing over the gooms?
Marc:Uh, and like, it's like Mark's like, maybe I can obsess over this too.
Marc:Like he's like, Oh, maybe I found a new obsession.
Guest:It's I'm, I'm so much more like her though, about, uh, how she's like, as soon as I hear it's bad, I I'm done.
Guest:I don't need to hear anymore.
Guest:You know, like if you're telling it some kind of oil or whatever is bad, it's like, please don't make me have to think about this too.
Marc:Walnut oil.
Marc:Like, what?
Marc:What are we doing?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Also, journaling as a fictional character sounds so interesting.
Marc:And she's kind of method, right?
Marc:Is that the term?
Guest:Sounds like it.
Guest:If she studied those, you know, Stanislavski and, you know, in those schools of things, she...
Guest:You know, I think we've had other actors on who've talked about this where you can kind of absorb some of that teaching and not be like what would be considered a method actor.
Guest:So it sounds like she's along the lines of that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I also love just I just love Mark, like picking up tips of like things to do.
Marc:Like, oh, she's just like asking questions about how this is, you know, how this is done on the set.
Marc:And like.
Marc:It's so cool because I'm pretty sure he's going to start doing a bunch of stuff that she talked about, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It is interesting hearing a guy his age learn things the way you hear a college student learn them and then have to apply them.
Guest:I think he's probably, for the first time in his life, actually having to think about this stuff in a serious way.
Guest:He's getting a lot of offers for roles.
Guest:He's going to star in a movie that starts shooting very soon.
Guest:That thing, he's in all of it.
Guest:Like he's in so like, you know, I don't think there's a page he's not in the movie.
Guest:So like he's got to like really, you know, factor that into his preparation.
Guest:And how do I do this?
Guest:How do I hold the whole thing?
Guest:You know, I'm carrying the weight of this movie.
Guest:So, yeah, it definitely is interesting watching him learn all this stuff.
Guest:I mean, there was a lot of good stuff this week.
Guest:We've had a bunch of stuff in past weeks, and I know that you've been sending things in as listeners.
Guest:And I'm not going to get to all of them right now because we have a Tarantino movie to get to today.
Guest:And we'll do a mailbag episode to review some of your comments, suggestions, questions.
Guest:I did want to mention something, though, that I was not aware of when we aired the Lauren Stories episode.
Guest:Because that just kind of went in, as I mentioned, it went in in full as it was when we first aired that back in 2016.
Guest:And the music that was on that episode was not Mark's specific music.
Guest:It was remix music that was done by DJ Copley, who is webpuppy45 on his social handles.
Guest:We've used him for bumper music throughout the years.
Guest:And I wanted to give him a shout out and go check him out.
Guest:Check out all of DJ stuff.
Guest:He was, you know, he was somebody who was really active in getting us some music before, you know, we had a real vast library of Mark's own compositions to use.
Guest:So go check that out.
Guest:It's WebPuppy45 on whatever social engagement you want to go through there.
Guest:I also did want to bring this up for people who have been writing in about some issues with the bonus feed.
Guest:If you're listening to this and you are still having issues, like somebody wrote in saying that the podcast wasn't updating for them on Apple Podcasts or that on that app it was showing up late, like they're used to it being there in the morning and it's not showing up till 6pm.
Guest:All I can tell you is because of the way Acast is set up, the Acast Plus service, like you're buying it through them and then you're using it on whatever individual app you choose to use.
Guest:It's not an overall issue.
Guest:It's probably specific to whatever is going on with your app and your feed.
Guest:And you just have to write to support at acast.com to handle that.
Guest:Because like, for instance, with Apple Podcasts, I don't know, it shows up perfectly fine for me every day.
Guest:every day.
Guest:And, you know, it could just be as something as simple as your phone did an update and you've got to, you know, reinstall the feed.
Guest:Who knows?
Guest:But the support at ACAST.com email, they can address your individual concerns with bonus feed issues.
Guest:I also did quickly want to address this just because, you know, as I said, we'll get into a mailbag episode in the future, but I didn't want to leave this hanging, especially because I don't know how much longer...
Guest:the RFK Jr.
Guest:story is going to be in our lives, hopefully not much longer after the end of the election season.
Guest:Someone wrote in and said, I'm no fan of RFK Jr.
Guest:And I've enjoyed your guys roasting of him.
Guest:But the reason his voice sounds the way it does is because he has a neurological condition called spasmodic dysphonia.
Guest:Now, I do want to say that is true.
Guest:And I knew that.
Guest:And one thing that I have also known is
Guest:and I did double check this to make sure I was not going on false information, and it is something documented by the National Institutes of Health, is that there is plenty of scholarship on the fact that some cases of spasmodic dysphonia or any kind of spasming neurological disorder, like including Parkinson's disease,
Guest:can be caused by serious drug use, okay?
Guest:So yes, is this something that is totally a speculation that because Robert Kennedy has admitted to longstanding heroin use, I am speculating that that has led to his vocal issues?
Guest:Yes, it is not something that has been diagnosed or proven, but I do think, especially considering how loose this guy is with scientific discovery and facts,
Guest:and his, you know, perpetuating of mass misinformation, I do think it's definitely fair to draw that inference, right?
Guest:That one thing this guy has admitted to doing is very possibly connected to this other thing the guy clearly has.
Guest:Is that unfair of me?
Guest:Maybe, but I also don't really care.
Guest:And I feel for anyone...
Guest:who has a neurological condition that's brought on through no fault of their own.
Guest:And I, you know, I'm not saying that anyone with a voice that sounds like Robert Kennedy's has some type of problem in their lives and that they should be looked at differently.
Guest:I'm saying this specific guy who is an asshole should get made fun of whenever you want because he's an asshole.
Marc:So that's really it.
Guest:That's all I'm going on from there.
Marc:This podcast is so nice.
Marc:Like, I think a month ago, like, Mark was like, I'm a cat person as well.
Marc:What was it?
Marc:It's like kind of rebutting J.D.
Marc:Vance.
Marc:Oh, yeah, right.
Guest:Childless cat ladies.
Marc:Yeah, I'm a childless cat lady.
Marc:And then, like, the next episode, because I was listening to him back to back, it was like,
Marc:I have to say, I understand some people are childless cat ladies, not because they want to, but because of, like, life.
Marc:And I'm just like, wow, this is a really nice podcast.
Marc:You guys are so nice.
Marc:Like, you're like, what is happening?
Guest:Well, I mean, here's – I'll say it from – I'm not going to speak for Mark.
Guest:I'll say it from my perspective as someone who's – like, one of my main jobs is to make sure the thing we're putting out on the airwaves is accurate.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And if there's inaccuracies, I will come on and correct them.
Guest:And so I just wanted to make it known that that was not a bit of information I was unaware of.
Marc:Oh, yeah, of course.
Guest:It's not like I'm like, listen to this guy's dumb voice.
Guest:What a loser.
Guest:And then I find out, oh, he's got a rare neurological condition.
Guest:I should probably correct that.
Guest:No, I know he does.
Guest:I also know he did enough heroin to fill the state of Utah.
Guest:And so I- Is that bad?
Guest:Should I not have done that?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And so any pronouncements he makes about our health and how he's going to be running the FDA if Trump gets elected, I think I should draw a little connection with that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Agreed.
Guest:All right.
Guest:If you have anything you want to say to us, just send it into the comment section.
Guest:There's a link in the episode description.
Guest:As I mentioned, we'll get into your comments and things you want to share with us on a future episode.
Guest:But today we are going to episode eight of our Quentin Tarantino series, because it is the eighth film of Quentin Tarantino's in the eighth month that we've been doing this.
Guest:And it is the hateful eight.
Guest:So a lot of eights today.
Guest:Uh,
Guest:And let's do what we always do, Chris.
Guest:Let's go over what our rankings have been up to this point.
Guest:Where do you have the Hateful Eight sitting on your rankings?
Marc:Hateful Eight comes in at number eight for me.
Marc:So it is the eighth film ranked for me.
Marc:Right above Death Proof at nine.
Guest:Yeah, so it's the same for me.
Guest:I have the Hateful Eight at eight.
Guest:When we started this, I had it at six.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:And it had, you know, because I jumped in Glorious Bastards about three positions from seven to four.
Guest:And I jumped Kill Bill one position up because, you know, as much as I had thought Kill Bill was, you know, one of the lower ranking Tarantino films after we saw it again, I really had to appreciate the craft of Kill Bill one and at least half of Kill Bill two.
Guest:And if he's going to insist that we count them as one movie, you know, I'll go on basically on an average of that.
Guest:So Kill Bill went up, Hateful Eight, then there was jumped by two movies, and I had it sitting at eight.
Guest:But, like, I knew that I really liked it.
Guest:Like, that's the thing.
Guest:Like, I had a very strong memory of liking it.
Guest:So I was interested coming into watching this to know, like, well, what's going to happen?
Guest:Because, like, is it still...
Guest:You know, is it like the worst of his best movies?
Guest:Like, I guess that's how it's coming across now, if it's sitting at number eight on this list.
Guest:And let's be clear what we did.
Guest:We watched the theatrical release, the one that went into, you know, movie theaters in wide release, which you and I had never seen, correct?
Marc:That's right.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:I actually, I remember not wanting to see this movie when it came out.
Marc:Oh, interesting.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The thing is because of the trailer, I remember Kurt Russell just punching Jennifer Jason Leigh, and I was just like, eh, I don't think I need this in my life.
Marc:It felt a little too mean for that stage of my life.
Marc:It is very hateful.
Marc:Yes, it is very hateful.
Marc:But for some reason, I was like, I think I'm going to pass on this.
Marc:I must have gotten some bad reviews when it first came out as well.
Marc:I didn't feel bad about missing it.
Marc:How about you?
Marc:I guess you didn't see this when it came out.
Marc:Why didn't you?
Guest:I did not.
Guest:And I think I'm going to chalk it up to being in the kind of black hole for me of about three to five years where you have a child and then they're, you know, when they're in like toddler age up to then, you are really limited in your, you know, entertainment options and what you're able to do with free time.
Guest:And this came out in a, in December of 2015 when,
Guest:Which meant that, you know, you're all wrapped up in the holidays.
Guest:There's a very limited amount that you can do outside of obligations and responsibilities and whatnot.
Guest:And I do remember getting some free time to go to the movies and we went to see Star Wars The Force Awakens.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That was the big movie that December.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So it was just a casualty of that.
Guest:I like, I remember going to see star Wars force awakens and the hateful eight was playing there right next door in the multiplex.
Guest:And I was like, I guess I'm not going to see that one until it comes out on, you know, digital or whatever.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, uh, and thankfully the,
Guest:when it did come out on streaming, it was in this format that he did for Netflix where he expanded the film and then cut it into four parts.
Guest:And I watched it just like that, a four-part miniseries.
Guest:And I thought it was great.
Guest:I enjoyed it immensely, especially watching it that way.
Guest:Like, I got my own little Quentin Tarantino television.
Guest:show here and and i i loved it in that way and i know there was also a third way to see it which was if you saw it in the what they were calling the traveling road show version of the movie where uh it was the theatrical version but expanded always shown on 70 millimeter film and he had an intermission in it so i you know it ran longer
Guest:You had a break and, you know, he was wanting to treat it like, you know, the way old films were treated.
Guest:Like, oh, you get a break in here, you get a program, you know, that kind of thing.
Marc:Right.
Marc:I've never went to a movie like that.
Marc:Did you ever see a movie like that?
Marc:I think it was like in the 60s, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Or earlier even.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:He's amazing.
Marc:He's like...
Marc:Of all times.
Marc:Like, he knows of these grindhouses and these roadshows.
Marc:Like, how?
Guest:It's like how Michael Keaton described Beetlejuice to Mark.
Guest:Like, he was like, he's like, from no time, but all time.
Guest:And I couldn't figure it out.
That's...
Guest:perfect absolutely perfect yeah uh i i did think while watching it again this time though i really wish i had seen it when it came out mostly because of the time it came out seeing this in december would have been so awesome like that the the cold feeling of it the way like it just it feels like
Guest:Absolutely a movie you should watch in the winter.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, I mean, luckily for me in my house, it's pretty cold out.
Marc:And so we actually had blankets on the couch.
Marc:Did you put one on and go, ooh, Navajo.
Yeah.
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:Uncle Baby Billy is the best.
Marc:And that is Walter Goggins.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:He is a delight in this movie.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:So I think two things we should say before we get into the movie itself is that one is that the origins of this are quite interesting.
Guest:So he...
Guest:started doing this as a novel that he was going to release as a novelistic sequel to Django Unchained.
Guest:Just like he did the novel to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, where he, you know, had basically...
Guest:It was not a novelization.
Guest:It's like expanded story of the characters in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Guest:Well, this was going to be Django as a bounty hunter many years later in his life, right?
Guest:Which is why Sam Jackson is a bounty hunter in this.
Guest:And it was going to be Django, you know, in this...
Guest:Stuck in this blizzard in this place with seven other creeps and, you know, having to fight his way out when he figures out who the bad guy is.
Guest:And Tarantino said the problem he was coming up with was Django.
Guest:Like Django was is to it's like it's like having a superhero in there and you couldn't then all of a sudden turn him into Columbo.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So he reworks the thing, turns it into a screenplay where, you know, it's not about Django, but the type of character is still there.
Guest:Former slave, you know, who then is a bounty hunter.
Guest:And, you know, then he starts adding all these elements, wants it to wind up being like the thing or, you know, one of these drawing room mysteries, Agatha Christie type thing.
Guest:So you never know who the bad guy is.
Guest:And he makes the screenplay.
Guest:It gets leaked somehow.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And he, you know, is angry and is like, well, fuck it then.
Guest:I'm not doing it and shelves it.
Guest:And then at some point he stages a live reading of it for charity.
Guest:Hmm.
Guest:And it goes over so well that he's convinced we'll go back ahead and go make it as a film.
Guest:And so that's how this thing becomes a movie, which is really interesting because, well, we get into it later, but it's like it really it's even though it's not a sequel to Django, it's probably the only movie of his that feels like the closest to a sequel.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like if you go with Kill Bill being one movie, like it's the only thing in his filmography that's like similar to the thing that came before it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:I mean, you know, just on the setting itself of the old Western.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Guest:And one thing I will add here is that I want us to tread carefully in plot stuff for this, because I know people listen to this.
Guest:They most likely have watched the movie or seen it.
Guest:But I do know people write in and say they just like hearing us talk about these movies, even if they haven't seen it.
Guest:I do think that the most fun this movie is, is when it's still a mystery.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That when the mystery is revealed, it's it's a little bit lesser, although there's still some fun in figuring out in spotting things.
Guest:Now, when you watch it again, that you're like, oh, that's because we find this out later, you know, and you see it in the first case.
Guest:But I don't want to reveal the mystery if you haven't seen it, because I don't want to be the one taking away your fun.
Guest:So we'll we'll we'll tread carefully on that element of it.
Guest:But otherwise, let's just talk away.
Marc:Excellent.
Marc:And I think we have to start with the cinematography.
Marc:The way this movie is shot.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:It's so fucking great, dude.
Marc:Like, remember what I said about Reservoir Dogs?
Marc:I'm like, there's nothing to it.
Marc:It's just a play in one setting.
Marc:This is basically that.
Marc:This is basically Reservoir Dogs.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Except it's gloriously shot.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:As soon as I saw that thing in the credits that's like filmed in Panavision Ultra 70, I'm like, I'm good.
Guest:Yeah, I'm great.
Guest:And he puts it on there in like the in the in whatever the branded font of that Panasonic thing was.
Guest:I was like, oh, totally great.
Marc:Yes, and it is just a gorgeous movie to watch.
Marc:I've never seen Samuel L. Jackson's face the way I see it in this movie.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:I was like, is it more clear?
Marc:Is my TV on the wrong setting where motion smoothing is happening?
Marc:It just looks so beautiful.
Marc:And yeah, so the way this movie is shot, and that's the other thing.
Marc:You can totally see the difference of a Quentin Tarantino...
Marc:beginning out in, in Reservoir Dogs to here at the Hateful Eight, because there's just so much more camera movement.
Marc:There's so much more like stuff filling the space.
Marc:I just, I, I fell in love with it right away.
Guest:Well, just also the, the, the way he's now kind of in conversation with, with his cinematographer, um, Robert Richardson, who at this point, by this point he'd been working with since Kill Bill.
Guest:Hmm.
Guest:And, you know, this is, you know, obviously language, filmed language, other than Death Proof, which Tarantino shot himself, this guy's now been his cinematographer throughout the past several films.
Guest:You know, Bastards, Django, and now this.
Guest:And you just...
Guest:It just is a benefit of growing and learning more and learning with your collaborations with people.
Guest:That's why this looks so good.
Guest:He's perfect.
Guest:He's already a guy who knows what he's doing.
Guest:And I mean Tarantino in addition to Richardson, but as the filmmaker, as the guy calling the shots, he is becoming more confident working with this other person
Guest:And it's just looking amazing.
Guest:Every every bit of this feels cinematic, even though the content isn't necessarily cinematic.
Guest:There's 40 minutes in the back of a stagecoach.
Marc:It just it feels like a movie.
Marc:But you know what?
Marc:There's there.
Marc:There's so much in that stagecoach.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:Like Jennifer Jason Leigh, like when the camera lingers on her licking the blood from her face and licking at Samuel L. Jackson.
Marc:And again, we're just lingering there for this moment while like the White Stripes or whoever's playing.
Marc:It was the White Stripes.
Marc:Yeah, Jack White.
Marc:It was so good.
Marc:I was like, this is fucking, this is a film, man.
Marc:This is like, I'm in.
Marc:I'm just, I was all in at that moment.
Guest:So, you know, you're talking about all these details, too, and it's a lot of details in the visual style.
Guest:What I'm starting to notice watching this in comparison with the other movies is now you're really starting to see how his brain works more like a novelist.
Guest:than like a screenwriter right he does not have that disease of screenwriting of like the three-act structure and mimicking the mckee book right with story points and that this guy is going to let his imagination tell you all the details he wants to know and like i do get that your mileage may vary on the amount of detail you care about right like every
Guest:You know, this is a two hour and 40 some odd minute movie in the theatrical version.
Guest:OK, and like like I'm not going to say that that's insignificant.
Guest:I think it's it's totally fair to say the movie is probably too long.
Guest:do I feel like it's too long to me?
Guest:No.
Guest:And I do think that part of that is because I watched it at three plus hours over the course of four nights once.
Guest:So I already had the thing in my head as this full thing.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And now I'm just going back and enjoying it again.
Guest:And it happens to even be shorter than when I enjoyed it the first time.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So I get it that that's not for everyone.
Guest:My experience to this might be unique, but what also I think is unique to certain people.
Guest:And I'm one of them is I love all the details.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I love all that, like how he goes through with each guy, the process of getting into this stagecoach.
Guest:You got to put your guns over there and you got to come over here and you go, I want you to move like molasses and like all this stuff.
Guest:I can see these people who make YouTube videos about like, you know, inaccuracies and movies and this and that being like, why did we need to know that?
Guest:Why do we?
Guest:And I'm like, because I do want to fucking know it.
Guest:That's why I want to see those guys go out in the blizzard and lay the line to the outhouse.
Guest:Don't care that we don't need to see it.
Marc:I'm glad I saw it.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:And it never comes up ever again, but I'm so glad that that is there for sure.
Marc:If it's good, I prefer more of this in movies, not less.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:Can we talk about Kurt Russell?
Marc:Sure.
Marc:Doing John Wayne.
Marc:I mean, can I tell you, I'm pretty sure this is Kurt Russell.
Marc:Like, he's not really acting.
Marc:Like, this is him, basically.
Marc:Like, he is just a cowboy man.
Marc:He is an actual cowboy.
Marc:And he is just perfection in this movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, you know why he's so great is because what you're saying is true, but Tarantino knows this about the character that he is a dumbass, right?
Guest:You know, it's, it's reminded me a lot of Odell, Samuel Jackson's character in Jackie Brown, where it's like, he's cool and you're enjoying your time with him, but he, he does fuck up quite a bit.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And his and his whole thing of like how to do things and that, you know, he's got all these rules and he follows him.
Guest:It still winds up, you know, not working out for him in the end, you know.
Guest:And, you know, like I love the scene where he wants to read the Lincoln letter and he's so like giddy about it and he's nervous about asking.
Guest:And then he pulls out those little glasses.
Guest:It's so great.
Marc:It's just the little tiny moments that make it.
Marc:I got to say, like, oh, Mary Todd.
Marc:Mary Todd's waiting.
Marc:Gets me every time.
Guest:Well, a detail like that Lincoln letter is, to me, why Tarantino's brain is so fun.
Guest:Anybody who's writing this screenplay could have something that's being meant to advance the plot or even a MacGuffin, something that you throw in there.
Guest:But they're going to circle it and you're going to know, okay, now this is important for the rest of the film.
Guest:And it's like, this guy just loves getting these details that help you move from one thing to the next through the characters.
Guest:And who would think that?
Guest:Like, oh, I'll make it be a letter from Abraham Lincoln.
Guest:That's great.
Guest:Or just like the way he is.
Guest:He's full of the details of these these rebels that, you know, it's what Walt Goggins family was part of, which is like a real thing from the from the Confederacy.
Guest:They called them the lost causers.
Guest:And it's, again, so clear that Tarantino has all this knowledge and trivia about these militias and these confederacy lost causers who still tried to fight the war after the war was over.
Guest:And he wants to figure out a way to get this into his thing.
Guest:And he has now.
Guest:As opposed to all those other, you know, some of those older movies of his that we were watching where it does just feel like trivia for trivia's sake.
Guest:It's like now it's not just a time waster in a diner or in the backseat of a car, but he's figuring out how to actually build character around it.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:And yeah, Walter Goggins or Uncle Baby Billy, as I know him.
Marc:And how do you not watch The Righteous Gemstones?
Marc:No, I got to watch it.
Marc:I got to watch it.
Marc:You have to watch it.
Marc:He is just sublime in that show.
Marc:But here, he plays the new sheriff of Red Rock, supposed new sheriff of Red Rock.
Marc:And I love every second that he's on screen when he's talking to Bruce Dern, who is just...
Marc:a fantastic character in himself.
Marc:Like, just love it.
Marc:Love everything about it.
Marc:Like, he, I think Walter Goggins makes this movie, like, kicks it up into a new level for me.
Guest:If you're interested, we've had Bruce Dern on WTF.
Guest:He has since died, but there was an episode done in September of 2019, and the episode is number 1052, and he tells some great stories about the shooting of this movie.
Guest:Oh, no.
Guest:In particular, the fact that Tarantino is apparently a tremendous stickler about ad-libbing.
Guest:He will not allow it.
Guest:And you have to thoroughly get something approved if you're going to ad-lib, and he rarely approves it.
Guest:And if you go back and listen to the episode, I'll let Bruce Dern...
Guest:tell you exactly what he ad-libbed mostly because I don't want those words coming out of my mouth but also you could go listen to his story but the one thing that's so great about it is that he did it and Tarantino was like yeah that's a Dernsey I got a Dernsey in my movie because like apparently Bruce Dern is known for that like you know just throwing these ad-libs in and it totally pissed off Tim Roth and Michael Madsen who have been working with Tarantino for years and they're like how come we're not allowed to do that and Tarantino
Guest:Dino's like, because you're not Bruce Dern.
Guest:You don't have Dernsies.
Marc:Incredible.
Marc:Can we talk about Tim Roth?
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Tim Roth basically playing Christoph Waltz, right?
Marc:Yes, yes, exactly.
Marc:Like, was Christoph Waltz not available?
Guest:Well, I wonder if that's true.
Guest:I'd never heard whether he was asked to be in the role or not.
Guest:But I did think that it's great that so, you know, if anyone's not aware of the structure of this movie after this stagecoach section where they're going through a blizzard and they're trying to arrive at their destination in Red Rock, they show up at this, you know, what what you find out was like a general store.
Guest:And they're going to all be trapped in there while they're snowbound.
Guest:And Tim Roth and Michael Madsen are already there when they get there.
Guest:And they have to learn who they are and be introduced to them.
Guest:And that's like a kind of joy of the movie is that you get to this new location and here's some new characters.
Guest:And oh, look, it's Reservoir Dogs, you know?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know what?
Marc:Actually, the movie that it reminded me the most of, and I think I love this movie more than you like it, but Clue.
Marc:It's basically Clue, you know?
Marc:Yeah, sure.
Guest:He's mentioned that.
Guest:Tarantino said that he thought of Clue while he was making this.
Marc:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:That's great.
Guest:And like I mentioned earlier, The Thing.
Guest:And that's another reason Kurt Russell is in this.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Sure, sure.
Guest:It's such a great... So now you're in this place and there's a reveal that you know that one of the people in here is not who they seem.
Guest:There's your thing, right?
Guest:Element of the film.
Guest:And so, you know, again, I want to tread carefully and not give away too much of the plot for people who haven't seen it.
Guest:But...
Guest:I feel like, like I said, I enjoyed the mystery part of it.
Guest:I enjoyed it when it was a mystery.
Guest:When it was happening now, I felt like I could still hang with this two and a half hour, two hour and 40 minute movie because of all the groundwork laid in that first hour.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:you really now just enjoy the time you're spending with these terrible people.
Guest:Like they are the hateful eight people.
Guest:They are all bad guys.
Guest:There's not a, one of them that you find out at some point is not bad.
Guest:They're all bad.
Guest:Uh, and, uh, it reminds me of that thing with, uh, that Mark says after he and Louis CK went to see bad Lieutenant and they walked out and said to him, wow, he was bad.
Yeah.
Guest:But because of that, I just, you know, and again, maybe it goes back to me having watched this over the course of like four nights once and understood it as a thing that you let play out.
Guest:I had no problem with the thing just playing out.
Marc:Yeah, I mean, this time around, I really appreciated Jennifer Jason Leigh.
Marc:Like, that was such a great performance.
Marc:From the second we meet her with her black eye to the very end, she is tour de force in this movie.
Marc:Like, she has great chemistry with Kurt Russell, with Walter Goggins.
Marc:Like, it's just, she's just...
Marc:there for all of it and like you can even see her because i've actually like gone back and re-watched some scenes because i you know i want to see some scenes play out but you can see her smiling in the background and i just love it oh my god i want to see this movie yet again on the big screen which is something i'm gonna do later this month uh so yeah i i just i really enjoyed her performance
Guest:Well, you know, she was Oscar nominated for that role, which I think was well deserved.
Guest:And yeah, I mean, like there's there's nobody in the cast either.
Guest:That's that you feel is a weak link.
Guest:I mean, it's funny.
Guest:I was going to say it was a spoiler because I didn't remember this at all.
Guest:I didn't remember that Channing Tatum's name is in the opening credits.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I saw it.
Guest:In my memory, I thought he was a total surprise.
Guest:Like I thought it was supposed to be one of those things you didn't know about him being in the movie until he shows up.
Guest:So it's not a spoiler to say that Channing Tatum shows up in this, but he's good in it too.
Guest:Like he, he works in the role that he plays.
Marc:And so does Zoe Bell, who was in Death Proof.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And I got to say, loved her in this movie.
Marc:I thought she was used perfectly.
Marc:There you go.
Guest:It's the use.
Guest:It's the use.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah, I think you're right.
Marc:And, yeah, everyone just working on such a, just this great level, because I guess the material was just so good.
Marc:Like, Bruce Dern, like, was so, like, friendly.
Marc:fucking infuriating I hated him but yet I wanted to hear him more and man him and Samuel Jackson who I don't even know we talked about Samuel Jackson yet Samuel Jackson's in this movie and he it's probably his best performance since Pulp Fiction in my opinion
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, well, look, this is a guy that's like, you know, you might as well call him Tarantino's muse.
Guest:Like he has shown up in all of these movies, almost all of them.
Guest:And, you know, it's always, I always feel like we're saying that.
Guest:Like, oh, this is his best work.
Guest:Like, you know, he's great in Jackie Brown.
Guest:He's great in Django.
Guest:And he's always, he's always different too.
Guest:Like he's never just like playing jewels again.
Marc:That's the thing, man.
Marc:He is size range.
Marc:Like it's,
Marc:He is so underappreciated.
Guest:Which is what the rest of Hollywood didn't do, right?
Guest:The rest of Hollywood was like, whenever they cast Samuel L. Jackson, they're casting him as Jules.
Marc:Exactly, and that sucked.
Marc:I mean, it's fine.
Marc:I mean, look, the guy needs a paycheck, and I don't blame him.
Marc:I loved him in all of his movies, but it's cool to see the guy play a completely different character and just own that scene, like every scene.
Guest:Now, something you said before that I wanted to address is that, you know, this didn't get tremendous reaction when it came out.
Guest:And you were saying that might have even contributed to you not going to see it because maybe there was a bad review or two.
Guest:And it's interesting.
Guest:Like, I can see why people didn't react favorably for exactly the reason that I was saying before about this coming off like a sequel or almost just too similar to what he had just made.
Guest:Because I feel like with Tarantino, he's one of these guys...
Guest:who you always wind up waiting a few years for his next thing to come out.
Guest:And this was three years since Django.
Guest:And then you kind of are craving something new.
Guest:Like, what's he going to do?
Guest:What genre is he going to play with here?
Guest:What, like, you know, different style that will go in the Tarantino universe, right?
Guest:And I...
Guest:can imagine people are like another western right you know whereas for us we were watching these back to back and it's just like hey that's no problem i you know we just watched jango i'd like to watch more of this or whatever you know yeah and so i i can see why it might have you know gotten dismissed by people as something he was doing as like a trifle and it's interesting like i think it's like absolutely a serious tarantino film this is not like a side project no this is a
Guest:full-on one of his films you know he is you can't put this in the category of something like death proof where you're like ah he experimented he did this experiment like no no this is a full-on piece of cinematic art dude this is reservoir dogs in in the old west
Marc:Like it's a bunch of people put into a location and you got to figure out what the, you know, happened before, what, what, what's going to happen after.
Marc:Like it's Reservoir Dogs.
Marc:Like it just, it just, it's so similar.
Marc:Like it is, it is fascinating to me that people don't, you know, sort of see that similarity.
Marc:Can we also just talk about the fucking, the song that Jennifer Jason Lee does is so beautiful.
Marc:And also it's,
Marc:Not only that, but like the focus pull when she knows something.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And you see her turn away and then the focus is pulled toward to the background and then back to the foreground.
Marc:Dude, that's some fucking, that's some movie making right there.
Guest:And a lot of his like signature stuff, like a crane overhead that goes from room to room.
Guest:It's so great in this location because of like the claustrophobia of that spot.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So to have the camera having this free movement through the eaves and through the beams of the place, it works.
Guest:It works as something more than just a gimmick.
Guest:It makes you go like, oh, am I kind of sneaking around this place trying to eavesdrop on people here?
Marc:Right.
Marc:Are you like actually there like sneaking around the rafters?
Marc:For sure.
Marc:For sure.
Marc:Also, there's like there's a two shot.
Marc:There's like this this light in the middle of it.
Marc:And it's just so it's so beautiful.
Marc:And like I cannot wait to see this movie on the big screen because.
Guest:So where are you going to see this on the screen?
Marc:I'm seeing it at the Paris Theater.
Marc:They're playing it at the Big and Loud.
Guest:Yeah, Big and Loud series.
Marc:And they're doing it on 70 millimeter.
Marc:I don't know if I'm going to get an intermission or a playbill, but I'm excited.
Marc:I don't care.
Guest:That's great.
Marc:Yeah, just take my money.
Marc:But yeah, there are just so many shots in this movie that are beautiful.
Marc:You can just pause the movie and just make that a poster.
Marc:It's just gorgeous.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, we also we haven't even mentioned that, you know, he had Ennio Morricone do the score for this.
Guest:And the score is just totally great.
Guest:Gets you like right from the jump, gets you way into the mood of this film.
Marc:Yes, absolutely.
Marc:Also got me in the mood for a late night coffee.
Marc:There's a lot of coffee making.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I also wonder, like, how bad did the bad coffee taste?
Guest:Like, the way they react to that bad coffee, I'm like, man, if coffee went bad back then, was it like drinking, like, tar?
Marc:Like, how did that happen?
Marc:I actually thought that that was something that we would find out about.
Marc:But when we watched, I was like, oh, I don't remember, like, coffee interacting with anything that happens towards the end of the movie.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But yeah, I do wonder how bad that coffee could have been.
Marc:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, so let's come to our rankings because I think this is a big revelation to me, not so much about this film in particular, because like I said, I had already liked this film, but it definitely clarified something for me that had been building in the past few months.
Guest:So with your rankings, where has this wound up?
Marc:Well, it's moved.
Marc:It's moved up for me.
Marc:And I'm going to go through my rankings.
Marc:Number nine is Death Proof.
Marc:Number eight now is Kill Bill.
Marc:Number seven is Django Unchained.
Marc:Number six is Reservoir Dogs.
Marc:And coming in at number five is The Hateful Eight.
Marc:Because in my opinion, if you like Reservoir Dogs, you're going to love Hateful Eight.
Marc:Because it's just Reservoir Dogs on steroids.
Marc:And then after that, it's Jackie Brown, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Inglourious Bastards, and Pulp Fiction.
Guest:All right, well, you're going to notice some similarities here amongst some differences, but we're trending in the same direction here.
Guest:And what I would say is that my big takeaway with this film is that now eight movies in,
Guest:something I didn't realize before this, something that I probably actually thought the opposite of.
Guest:I think I probably always thought that this guy's best work were his early films.
Guest:He has spent some time playing catch up and that he finally got there with the one we're going to watch next month that ranks among his best, but that there was this slack period where he kind of had to ramp back up to his best.
Guest:And I think now eight movies in, what I've realized, especially because of these last three films, is that he has become a better, more interesting filmmaker over time.
Guest:And I just don't... In Glorious Bastards, I think, was the real revelation to me that I was like, wait a minute, this is great.
Guest:And because it's so great, I had to reconsider...
Guest:how I was looking at these later films.
Guest:And so where I wind up with this is basically considering him at a career of two halves.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That's kind of cleaved by his screwing around with the junk of death proof.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And that if you go back and look at it, the earlier stuff is,
Guest:is missing something that he is then able to grow into and achieve with this later stuff.
Guest:And I do think that's reflected on my list as it stands right now, because I go with number nine, Death Proof, and then I'm right back to Kill Bill at number eight, which is where it was at when we started this thing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Then I have Jackie Brown at seven, Reservoir Dogs at six, and The Hateful Eight in the same position as you as number five.
Guest:And then I have Inglourious Bastards at four, Django Unchained at three, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood at two, and Pulp Fiction still sitting up at number one and kind of a sui generis position for that one.
Guest:But I really think that like those, these last three movies that we watched are a trinity for this guy.
Guest:I put them all together and I'm kind of like, he has done exceptional work at growing as a filmmaker and a mind, a mind of a storyteller.
Guest:And I was very impressed watching this.
Guest:I was very happy that not only was it as good as I remember, it's probably better.
Guest:It probably would have been a fantastic experience seeing it for the first time in a theater and I'm bummed that I didn't.
Guest:And yeah, I was thrilled.
Marc:I was thrilled with watching this.
Guest:yeah yeah this was uh a delight and uh i'm bummed i did not see this in a packed theater honestly yes yeah exactly all right well we want to hear your reactions to this or any other things we've been talking about your rankings of tarantino films i know a lot of people wrote in saying that they were going to revisit hateful eight because they remembered not liking it so if you watched it again and you you you
Guest:still don't like it or you changed your opinion we'd love to hear that so send us a comment the link is in the episode description and uh chris i believe we are going to take next week off um i think uh mark and i will record something that will go across two episodes on tuesday and friday and and so we will see everyone again in two weeks here on the friday show but until then i'm brendan and that's chris peace