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Guest:she was trying to depersonalize it but when push came to shove and the rubber met the road and she had to talk about it she couldn't put that distance right so she had to create a fake fucking human to speak as do you think that's what it was a million percent i will bet any amount of money that that's what it was
Marc:Hello, Chris.
Marc:Brendan, our gay Mets live on to play another day.
Guest:The Grimmest Mets.
Guest:The Grimmest gay... What are some of the other hallmarks of this Mets season?
Guest:OMG.
Guest:The OMG Mets, right?
Guest:The Rally Pimp.
Guest:There's definitely I have usually I'm usually quite opposed to the kind of manufactured team mascots and celebrations and that, especially if there's like more than one.
Guest:Like you got to pick one and stick with it.
Guest:And most teams, it's like, OK, you have a mascot.
Guest:You got to ride or die with your mascot.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:These Mets, though, they just keep piling on these like special little charms and tokens and good luck omens and that.
Guest:And it all works.
Guest:And yes, we are having a magical ride.
Guest:Chris and I were at the Mets city field playoff game, which was quite the scene.
Guest:Yeah, I had never been to one.
Guest:I'd never been to a playoff game before.
Marc:Yeah, it was really special to see all of the pageantry, like to see all of the people that work behind the scenes get introduced.
Marc:And of course, the players and they all line up and it's beautiful.
Marc:Like it was a magical time.
Marc:It was really.
Guest:Yes, very magical.
Guest:I do want to let anybody know, in case you're listening, calling them the gay Mets is a is a absolute term of endearment that the Mets have willfully embraced because they went on an amazing win streak during Pride during the full month of June.
Guest:And they had emblazoned the Mets Pride logo on everything.
Guest:And whereas some teams just did it for like a weekend or whatnot.
Guest:The Mets were like full on embracing the rainbow pride logo the whole time.
Guest:And yes, it was the same time when Grimace came out and threw the first pitch of a game and they went on a win streak and all these little superstitions and great things that make baseball so much fun during the course of 162 games.
Guest:But definitely when it gets into October and the weather turns crisp and you start to really love the tradition that comes along with fall baseball.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And dude, we've seen such dark lows and like incredibly dizzying highs just this year.
Marc:Like we don't even have to talk about the dark ages of this Mets organization.
Marc:Of our fandom of 40 years.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That we have had to painfully.
Marc:you know, experience like the Vince Coleman firecracker and all this stuff.
Marc:Like, but just this year, we started 0-5.
Marc:We had a reliever who tossed his glove to the crowd because he was thrown out of a game and said he was the worst teammate in baseball.
Guest:On the worst team.
Guest:He said, I'm the worst teammate on the worst team in baseball.
Guest:He was fired that day, but yes.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Like we couldn't get a big hit.
Marc:We played sloppy in the field.
Marc:And then Francisco Lindor, our shortstop, called a team meeting and basically took command of this team, steered us towards where we are today.
Marc:Like you can't make it up.
Guest:Yeah, since that time, since that meeting, they're the best team in baseball.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:That's not subjectively.
Guest:Their record is the best in baseball since that time, which is four months of regular season play.
Guest:That's not a small amount of time.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:And along the way, we picked up some mascots, like you said.
Marc:Yes, Grimace and the OMG sign are the most iconic at the moment.
Marc:But this all started on opening day.
Marc:Like a guy named, a real human was named Seymour Wiener.
Marc:was recognized as the veteran of the game.
Marc:I was actually at that game.
Marc:And yeah, he's gone on to root for our team, and we see video messages from him.
Marc:But yeah, we had the rally pimp.
Marc:We had the Hawk Tua lady throughout the first pitch.
Marc:That was luckily swept.
Guest:Yeah, kind of forgetting about that one a little bit.
Marc:Yeah, we swept that one under the rug.
Marc:But there's a playoff pumpkin.
Marc:Soon there's going to be... Oh, right.
Guest:The pumpkin.
Marc:Like all these artifacts that we've picked up along the way to get us to this National League Championship Series.
Marc:And again, what might be lost to the average fan is that there are actual people out there on the field playing these games.
Marc:162 regular season games.
Marc:All these playoff games who busted their ass.
Marc:Never gave up.
Marc:Never said die.
Marc:It's just stuff of storybook.
Marc:Like when our season looked to be over in that first game of a makeup doubleheader in Atlanta, a real house of horrors for us.
Marc:Francisco Lindor came up and did the damn thing.
Marc:He gave us back the lead in one of the best games I've ever seen in my life.
Guest:And we've now had like three of those best games you've ever seen in your life in like the last 10 days.
Marc:Yes, 10 days.
Marc:Like the fortunes have flipped in 10 days.
Marc:When we were down to our last two outs in Milwaukee, Pete Alonzo said, no, we will not go gently into that good night.
Marc:When our offense was scuffling all night in a game to punch our ticket to the NLCS against the Philadelphia Phillies, Francisco Lindor said, I will be the guy.
Marc:I will do what couldn't be done all night.
Marc:And he hit a grand slam to punch our ticket.
Marc:Time and time again, this team has responded.
Marc:They have said, no, it ain't over till we say it's over.
Marc:No one believes in us.
Marc:So I guess we have to go and believe in ourselves and do the work.
Marc:Brick by brick, inch by inch, this team dared to be this bold, this menacing, this formidable.
Marc:This team told this fan base to get the fuck on board.
Marc:Stop being negative.
Marc:Because, man, I have lived with those negative Mets fans.
Marc:And I can't stand it anymore.
Marc:I refuse to be that negative fan.
Marc:Like, you've seen it.
Marc:You know Mets fans who just...
Marc:or just go into the gutter.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, I know that through Mets fans, I know it through, you know, most fans, I should say, you know, I think that, I think fandom is, uh, you know, it's an emotional thing.
Guest:It's a thing driven by, um, a very strong emotional response to something you don't control.
Guest:And so the ability, you know, your brain, um,
Guest:reacts in very primal ways to it.
Guest:I mean, if you really want to, you know, get a sense of this having nothing to do with sports, but the way the brain reacts the same way, go watch people, you know, over the next month, freak out about the election.
Guest:Oh, this is going to happen.
Guest:Oh, that's going to happen.
Guest:Nobody fucking knows.
Guest:I mean, you have no chance to know you have a sense, maybe this or that, but you don't know and you don't control any of it.
Guest:There's no point.
Guest:And yeah, I mean, I had to kind of learn that.
Guest:And I think that's part of growth and life and maturity.
Guest:And I very, very long ago just decided like, look, it's not about the winning.
Guest:You can't you can't decide the team's going to win.
Guest:You can't you have no control over that.
Guest:You don't make them hit the ball.
Guest:So you just have to enjoy the ride.
Guest:Whatever the ride is, you have to enjoy it.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:It's the journey, right?
Marc:And this journey, this team is saying, bring all these rally icons along.
Marc:Everyone's invited.
Marc:Everyone's welcome on board this Mets bandwagon.
Marc:It's an all-inclusive, lovable team.
Marc:And come Sunday, we're just going to be one of four fan bases that have the privilege of rooting on our team.
Marc:It's a dream season.
Marc:One you want as a fan and at least one that I never thought I would ever see.
Marc:I honestly don't want to be like the Yankees or the Dodgers who expect to be in the World Series year after year.
Marc:And if we don't get there, it's a failure.
Marc:I want to see my team stitch it all together and make this...
Marc:freak show of a team that has players that are having career years, reclamation projects who are figuring it out, guys who other teams hate to see.
Marc:I love this team.
Marc:This team is my identity now.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, easy does it on that because it could be all done in literally four games.
Guest:Like you could be, you'd be completely done.
Guest:And the thing is, but like, it can be your identity and can be your, you know, what you fully invest your time and attention in.
Guest:As long as you're okay that after, Hey, a four game sweep in the NLCS, you're still happy with where this journey took you.
Guest:Because I, like, like I said, it's, it's like, you don't get these things all the time.
Guest:So embrace them when they happen.
Marc:Oh, and what the Mets have done for me is they did the unthinkable.
Marc:They made me forget about this election for until the mid-October.
Marc:And if they give me just another week, I will be so grateful for this team to make me not...
Marc:have to think about this election just as much as I know I'm going to be stressing out about it.
Marc:So yeah, it's been a magical time for us.
Marc:And yeah, I'm beside myself.
Guest:And that's the whole point of it, isn't it?
Guest:I mean, it's the whole point of anything really that you develop in the sense of a hobby or something you really want to invest in as entertainment and
Guest:The whole point is to get you out of your life, is to get you out of your head, is to give you a little mental respite from the things going on around all the time.
Guest:And, you know, it's funny you said that thing, Chris, about like there were players on the field that had to do this and they have to.
Guest:They're the ones who, you know, there are human beings involved, whether they're playing the game or whether they're responsible for the team's.
Guest:Like they're the ones that are producing this escape for the fans.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And when the Mets beat the Phillies on Wednesday night to clinch their spot in the championship series, there was an interview in the.
Guest:in the locker room and they're celebrating with champagne with, uh, the Mets center fielder, Brandon Nimmo.
Guest:Now, uh, for people who don't know the Mets, maybe people who don't even know baseball don't, you know, know this guy.
Guest:He's not like a big superstar.
Guest:He's one of the Mets stars, but he's not like one of the most famous baseball players, but he gave what I thought was probably the best interview I've ever heard from a Met player.
Guest:And I think it's, it's,
Guest:Probably one that could apply to almost any fan base in sports.
Guest:Or if you're the fan of like a particular type of entertainment that you want to see succeed.
Guest:You want to hear from the people who make it like I'm going to play this right now.
Guest:It's just about a three minute interview with this guy.
Guest:And I want us to listen to it because he said so much of what I've always said as a fan is
Guest:But he was echoing it as a player.
Guest:And it was very meaningful for me to hear a player talk about this, not in the typical player way of like, wow, we had to go out there and get some wins.
Guest:No, he was talking about it almost from a spiritual way.
Guest:Like, why is this important for the soul?
Guest:And so, yes, this was Brandon Nimmo after the game during the celebration, clinching a spot in the National League Championship Series.
Guest:Brandon, after that game ended, I was watching you.
Guest:I was watching you just look up at the crowd, take it all in.
Guest:What was going through your mind?
Guest:I just wanted to take that moment in because there's been so much hard work that has led to this.
Guest:There's been ownership changes.
Guest:There's been front office changes.
Guest:There's been manager changes.
Guest:And I seem to be the only one that's still around from those days.
Guest:And right before, you know, I got there a summer after they went on that 2015 run.
Guest:And I just always wondered.
Guest:I thought at the time that this was going to be a regular thing.
Guest:And I was like, oh, man, this is going to be great.
Guest:We're going to be in the playoffs every single year.
Guest:And then you realize how hard it is to get here and how hard it is to win here.
Guest:And so at that moment, I was just trying to soak it all in and just realize every hard work, everything that's gone into this, every decision.
Guest:It's just I mean, it's been years and years of work and decisions leading into this.
Guest:And I was trying to just soak it in and enjoy it with the fan base because this is all I've wanted.
Guest:Ever since getting drafted all the way back in 2011, all I wanted was to help bring playoff baseball wins back here, NLDS, NLCS, and World Series.
Guest:And we've been able to do that this year.
Guest:And an unbelievable story.
Guest:I mean, if you were to write down and put it in a movie what's happened in, like, the last 10 days, let alone this season,
Guest:you would say, no, that's not possible.
Guest:You know, that's fiction, and it's just not possible.
Guest:But it's real life.
Guest:It's happening right now.
Guest:And sometimes those moments can pass you by, but I was trying to just soak that one in and enjoy it.
Guest:And the emotion that poured over me
Guest:was unbelievable.
Guest:To be able to do it in front of the fan base here at Citi Field for the first time is just a dream come true for me and everything I ever wanted when I got drafted.
Guest:At the beginning of this season, you talked to ownership, you talked to the new front office who said, I want us to compete this year.
Guest:And they said you would.
Guest:Now you're one of the final four teams left standing.
Guest:Have you allowed yourself to dream the biggest dream yet?
Guest:Yeah, 100%.
Guest:We think that we've got as good a shot as anybody, and we've thought that since the beginning.
Guest:We've been playing really, really good baseball for four months, and so we thought if we could just get our foot in the door, we've got a good chance against anybody that we play, and we still believe that.
Guest:This is amazing, and we're going to soak it in, and we're going to enjoy this, and this is going to be celebrated.
Guest:But it is just the next step in the journey, and we have no intention of just settling here and laying down.
Guest:We're going to go out, we're going to go give it everything that we've got.
Guest:We still think that we're an amazing team who has a great shot to win this whole thing.
Guest:So we're going to go give it the best shot that we have.
Guest:Brandon, congratulations soaking in.
Guest:Thank you.
Guest:Let's go Mets.
Guest:Yeah, that was Brandon Nimmo of the New York Mets.
Guest:And he was speaking to Steve Gelbs of SMY, the cable outfit that runs the Mets games.
Guest:And like the great thing about that interview was obviously that's a player.
Guest:That's a guy being paid handsomely to play a child's game.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he knows that this is an important moment, not just for him, but for the fan base, for everyone watching.
Guest:And what he recognized in that moment yesterday, where there's still, you know, a full series away from getting to the World Series, right?
Guest:It's not the end of a season.
Guest:It's not the ultimate celebration.
Guest:But to him, it's enough of a celebration that he says, this is all I wanted.
Guest:Right.
Guest:He's not saying like, I, you know, I want us to win the World Series every year.
Guest:We have to be he he he almost it's like I talk about it all the time.
Guest:The idea that this the struggle is the point.
Guest:You hear me say that all the time.
Guest:And it's like this guy, he got into this organization as a kid, an 18 year old kid.
Guest:He saw the team in the playoffs the first year that he was in the minors.
Guest:And then he came up the year after that.
Guest:And he's saying, man, this is so great.
Guest:You get this all the time.
Guest:And then he realized how hard it was going to be to get back to that.
Guest:And he said as he stood there on the field, and if you watch a clip of him at the game, he's crying on the field while this was happening.
Guest:And he says, I realize these moments can pass you by.
Guest:And yeah, they've been passing us by for 40 years as fans.
Guest:We don't get a lot of these.
Guest:We got one championship as Mets fans when we were children.
Guest:You and I, Chris, we were, you know, six years old, seven years old.
Guest:So to hear a player, you know, he didn't sound like the voice of the fan, but he sounded like a player who articulated what the fans are feeling right down to the fact that when the interviewer asks him, well, are you thinking a bit about, you know,
Guest:the, the, the world series, you know, and getting there at the end.
Guest:And, and the very like a kind of rehearsed athlete thing to say in that moment is like, well, we don't want to get ahead of ourselves one game at a time.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like I almost like thought I knew the script.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That was coming when he asked that, because you hear athletes say this all the time.
Guest:You start to just learn the script that they're on.
Guest:And he immediately said, yeah, 100 percent, because we think we can do this.
Guest:We've got as good a shot as any of the other three teams that are going to be there.
Guest:And we believe we can win the World Series.
Guest:And it's like, that's what that's all fans think.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:fan goes into this with the expectation like why not us right they don't think like well you know we're not really going to contend like our team isn't built to contend so we'll play well but you know in the end we're probably not going to make it there no you think i'm watching this i'm invested in it
Guest:I gotta believe that's, that's literally the Mets slogan.
Guest:It really is.
Guest:That's what this is all about.
Guest:This is about finding a place where you can rest your feelings of, I don't know.
Guest:It's like a powerlessness in the universe.
Guest:You don't have any control over this.
Guest:You just got to hope.
Guest:And I hear Mark talk about it all the time when he's like, I don't have Jesus and I don't have sports.
Guest:So I like, you know, try to put all my hopes on fixing this coffee grinder.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That makes sense to me when I view it in these terms.
Guest:I'm like, yeah, we all do need this thing.
Guest:It's another thing about getting older and hopefully a little wiser is I really don't care where people pull it from.
Guest:What are you pulling from?
Guest:You get Pokemon cards.
Guest:Great.
Guest:Like good.
Guest:Like whatever you need to take the edge off of this life, please do it.
Guest:Just don't harm.
Guest:As long as you're not harming yourself, which a lot of people are with sports because they get gamble on them.
Guest:Just get through it in a healthy way.
Guest:Love yourself.
Guest:Love what you love.
Guest:And and this and like with this Mets season, it's hopefully an example that good things can happen to you.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And for me, what I heard from Brandon Nimmo was he was, you know, they always say that, oh, I wish I knew it was the good old days when the good old days were happening.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And what Nimmo was saying there is like, this is the good old days.
Marc:And that's what I've, I've, I've always tried to live in that.
Marc:And like, that's what I think of when I hang out with my nephews and nieces, like, this is the good old days.
Marc:And like, yes.
Marc:I try to tell my in-laws about it.
Marc:I'm like, guys, you don't understand.
Marc:This is going to be over real soon.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Enjoy this time when they're small and they want to play with you.
Marc:They want to talk to you.
Marc:This is the good old days right now.
Marc:So, yeah.
Marc:Brendan Nimmo gets it.
Marc:I hope the Met fan gets it.
Marc:I hope you all get it.
Marc:Like, you know, and I know there's not, sometimes there aren't good old days, but, uh, you know, right now for us, these are those times.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, absolutely.
Guest:Well, um,
Guest:I hope many good wishes to anyone out there following the Mets, anyone else following any other sports or anyone with anything in their lives that they just want to enjoy and have a break from the real world.
Guest:Make sure you, you know, take the time to look around and don't let those moments pass you by.
Guest:We had two weeks of moments pass us by because I was not around last week to do the Friday show.
Guest:So, you know, in terms of catching up on stuff, anything jump out of you, Chris?
Marc:Oh, sure.
Marc:Caitlin Olsen.
Marc:Really love her comedy.
Marc:Are you a fan of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia?
Guest:Well, I'm a fan insofar as anytime I've seen it, I like it.
Guest:But I'm so not a follower of it.
Guest:And now there's 30 seasons or whatever.
Guest:I can't possibly jump in.
Guest:But anytime I've seen it, I like it.
Guest:I mean, I've told you many times, I have, you know, my connection to that show that, you know, I went to college with Rob McElhaney.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And he is, you know, like a guy who I could not, would never ever have believed would be like the best.
Guest:showrunner of a sitcom that's on for 20 plus years or whatever you know so it's like it is always one of those shows that kind of boggles my mind not because it's not good or not funny it's just kind of like you know there's that old uh I think it's a Francois Truffaut saying that like don't ever uh shoot a movie at your house or you won't be able to look at anything but the wallpaper yeah
Guest:And it's the same thing.
Guest:Like, I remember the... Obviously, like, when, you know, my friends from college and I, we, like, watched the first episode of It's Always Sunny because we're like, oh, my God, Rob got his show picked up by FX.
Guest:And we watched it and, you know, had that kind of feeling of, like, okay.
Guest:Like, you know, it wasn't there yet.
Guest:You know, that early episodes of any show, really.
Guest:And they're not there.
Guest:And you're like, well, I don't want to, like...
Guest:say this is bad, but I don't, like, I just kind of, like, have to detach from it, you know?
Guest:And I, so I don't think I ever reattach to it, you know?
Guest:It's, like, it's too much, like, oh, that's the guy I, you know, remember going out drinking with him.
Guest:Like, I don't, like, I don't think of him as, everybody else has an attachment to him as Mac, you know?
Marc:I know him as Rob from college, you know?
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Well, I loved their chemistry together.
Marc:I thought they were really, you know, just...
Marc:gelling on the same frequency.
Marc:I loved like her being like, oh, you know, you had all this coffee.
Marc:You're going to be all right?
Marc:He's like, oh, yeah, it's fine.
Marc:Like, what time is it?
Marc:Six.
Marc:Like, oh, I'll be all right.
Marc:And she said, PM.
Marc:She's great.
Marc:So, yeah, that was a really fun.
Guest:Yeah, there was also, he was like, who's that actress I had on?
Guest:Her name, Nicholson.
Marc:She's like, Jack?
Yeah.
Marc:And then Connie Chung happened, huh?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That was, I knew, well, of course, Mark prefaced it by the rough start, but also your music choice.
Marc:I was like, uh-oh, what's going to happen here?
Guest:Got to set the tone, yeah.
Marc:And I knew, like, I thought it was just like her asking, oh, when did you start recording?
Marc:Like, I figure that's probably just two different things
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I would say generations.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Just two different trains of professionalism.
Marc:Yes, right.
Marc:They just did not jive together.
Marc:She was just so offended.
Marc:And you talked about it in the bonus episode.
Marc:But she just has this old school way of working that just does not jive with Mark at all.
Guest:hilarious because one of the most if you met if you said the name Connie Chung to me like the probably number two the number one thing I would think is is uh you know oh she was you know the co-anchor CBS Evening News with Dan Rather like that'd be the number one thing in my head number two maybe would be oh and she's married to Maury Povich maybe that would be number two but then definitely number three no lower than number three
Guest:Would be the time she was interviewing Newt Gingrich's mom on TV.
Guest:And she said, what does your son think about Hillary Clinton?
Guest:And the mom said, oh, I can't say.
Guest:And Connie said, well, why don't you just whisper it between you and me?
Guest:On the television, right?
Guest:And Newt Gingrich's old mom went, he thinks she's a bitch.
Guest:that was left in the interview and it started this huge debate over out whether or not that was unethical and connie chung fully defended her own position was like fuck that like you set the rules of an interview before it not after it and so you don't get to decide in the middle of it oh we just took this off the record right like doesn't matter what i said if you're if you're not
Guest:hip enough to realize that me saying, why don't you whisper it between the two of us is a joke.
Guest:Cause obviously you're on television and it's going to not be between the two of us.
Guest:That's your fault.
Guest:That's not the fault.
Guest:And like, guess what?
Guest:I am on her side on that one.
Guest:A hundred percent.
Guest:Like, don't trust journalists.
Guest:Like, I don't know what to tell you.
Guest:Like, they're not there to be your friend.
Guest:They're there to get information out of you.
Guest:And they're there generally to manipulate you and get you to give them information.
Guest:And in a way, our show is the same thing.
Guest:We're not doing it on a journalistic pursuit, but Mark's...
Guest:goal is to get people to connect and people to reveal who they are emotionally.
Guest:And he'll do what he's got to do to do that.
Guest:Some of that is turn the mics on before they walk in.
Guest:They know ahead of time, anything in that garage is recordable.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:That's our ground rule.
Guest:So it's the same as Connie Chung's ground rule with Newt Gingrich's mom.
Guest:We're interviewing.
Guest:We're on the record.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So like for I thought it was kind of interesting that she got pissed at the fact that she was like, wait, you didn't tell me we started.
Guest:And he's like, he even says he's like, no, we started everything.
Marc:Everything's in there.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And then, oh, you didn't read the whole book?
Marc:That was strike two.
Marc:And that reminds me of when I used to work with Rachel Maddow.
Marc:Like, she would, if she had a guest on, she would read the whole book.
Marc:Like, to the point where I was like, wait, so we're having this guest on tomorrow.
Marc:And for eight minutes.
Marc:Yeah, for eight minutes.
Marc:And you're going to read that whole book today?
Marc:She's like, yeah.
Marc:I was like, oh, okay.
Marc:Like, that's just...
Marc:how some people do it.
Guest:And, uh, yeah, it's how some people do it.
Guest:And it's, it's, you know, frankly, not a good idea.
Guest:I don't think, you know, it's like sustainable.
Guest:Well, beyond sustainable, what good does it do to you?
Guest:Like what, like what, for an, you're trying to get then, uh,
Guest:Like what's a regular book about 200 pages or so.
Guest:If you're going to read that and you're a speed reader, that's still going to cost you six, seven hours to read the whole thing.
Guest:And, uh, as a time, uh,
Guest:proposition, what good is that of getting, of then distilling six and seven hours of information into your head to correctly assess eight minutes of on-air content?
Guest:It doesn't, that's a bad value proposition.
Guest:So instead you do everything you can to get the essence of what you need to drive your arc of the interview.
Guest:You're not there to do a blow by blow of the book.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:And that's what you and Mark were talking about in the bonus episode.
Marc:It's like, why would you want like, oh, so you talk about this in the book, you know, what happened then and then?
Marc:It's like, well, that would be such a boring like interview.
Guest:Or it's an interview some people seek out as a particular style, right?
Guest:They're like, I just want, or it's like, you know, how you read a Q&A.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You're not looking for the reading of like a, like a personality and a connecting conversation.
Guest:You're just like, I just want the questions and answers.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And some people come to our show.
Guest:They want that.
Guest:And, and I'm never going to give it to them.
Guest:Like they're like, why didn't you just let the person answer the question?
Guest:It's like, no, you want questions and answers.
Guest:I'm sure there's plenty.
Guest:There's a, probably a nice vanity fair Q and a with that person.
Guest:You can go ahead and read that.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:exactly and oh man she was just contentious basically the entire time like don't be a piggy oh see i didn't think she was contentious the entire time i think she definitely like softened i think she i think she realized what like she had to get what the show was and who mark was and he proved himself time and again in the thing where she'd bring something up and he'd say something she's like oh so you read that part he's like yeah
Guest:I read a lot of the book.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Like, yes, I wanted to talk to you, but I didn't want you to yell at me and tell you I didn't do my stuff.
Marc:Like, I just love that.
Marc:You know what's great about Mark?
Marc:He gives as good as he takes, you know?
Marc:Like, it's a good push and pull.
Marc:And of course, the I-95 bit was really great.
Marc:And I do think that comment really hit her in the bullseye, you know?
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Loosened her up, for sure.
Marc:Also, like...
Marc:Yes, I get it.
Marc:She did some research on Mark, but like to mention that she has a strain of weed to Mark Maron.
Marc:Like, OK, great.
Guest:I think that just I've seen her out on interviews and that's her like little fun thing to say.
Guest:Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:I think she just, it's kind of programming in the sales of this book.
Guest:Like, oh, I can talk about the weed strain out there on me.
Guest:I did think it was very interesting that the one part of the thing, which was clearly like Mark as an interviewer plumbing the depths, like he wanted to get to a point.
Guest:And it was, you know, he knows where to kind of poke around at people's emotions.
Guest:And it's like,
Guest:I want to know this Dan Rather thing.
Guest:Like, what is it?
Guest:Like that had to have pissed you off.
Guest:And he's digging and digging.
Guest:And the further he digs, the more she becomes a British person or German or whatever accent she decided to do.
Guest:And I'm like, that's so interesting because that has happened before.
Guest:I think specifically I remember it happening with Lorraine Newman, who, you know, does voiceover, a lot of cartoon voiceover and stuff.
Guest:And anytime Mark asked her about, you know, something that got personal or emotional or something that required a little bit of like deeper access within her, she'd go into a cartoon voice.
Guest:And it's like, as I'm listening to this thing with Connie Chung, I'm like...
Guest:that's a defense like like because if you if she was just talking normally during that whole british section it was like a kind of fucked up story and you could tell she's still pissed off at this dude like how like angry she was at the idea that she had to get the award from him and everything and like she was convinced to do it but she still wasn't cool with it and like
Guest:She's pissed at this guy.
Guest:And she tries like I read the part of the book where she tries to kind of make it like he was going to feel this way about anybody because this was what he believed was like bequeathed to him.
Guest:You know, Edward R. Murrow's seat, Walter Cronkite's seat.
Guest:He was the next in line.
Guest:If you put a house plant on the set next to him, he'd be resentful of it.
Guest:So like she was trying to depersonalize it.
Guest:But when push came to shove and the rubber met the road and she had to talk about it, she couldn't put that distance.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So she had to create a fake fucking human to speak as.
Guest:You think that's what it was?
Guest:A million percent.
Guest:I will bet any amount of money that that's what it was.
Marc:Oh, see, I read it as, oh, thinking about this story just takes her back to that time in her life when she used to talk like that or something.
Marc:I don't think she ever talked like that.
Marc:No?
Marc:No.
Guest:I think you could go and find on record every era of Connie Chung's life as a public person, and she has never talked like a German or a Brit.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So, yeah, she has to create a character to sort of compartmentalize that.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:It's hiding.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's fascinating.
Marc:That's really fascinating.
Marc:But yeah, great, great job with that.
Marc:Before we get to Sebastian Stan, I do want to just ask you, because there was the Mark's keynote address at Just for Laughs.
Marc:And I thought that was a beautiful speech.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And how did how did you feel like, you know, listening to that, that listening to it?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Relistening to it that because, you know, knowing that you're part of to put it in the terms that Mark did, like saved his life, like you saved his life.
Guest:Well, I mean, I don't know that I listened to it again with that perspective.
Guest:I think in that sense of Mark and my connection to each other, I mean, it's just intrinsic in our relationships.
Guest:I don't think of it as like saving lives or changing lives or whatever.
Guest:It's any more than, you know, I mean like that, that he changed mine, you know, it's like chicken or egg type of thing.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You know, it's like, we just, it just is one of those things like anybody who's in a partnership with someone work or relationship or otherwise that you're like, Oh, we got connected and it's this symbiotic thing where we each help each other and our kind of fates and destinies are tied.
Guest:So I, I,
Guest:I didn't listen to it in that ear, like putting myself in what Mark was saying.
Guest:What I did think of while re-listening to it this time was like, man, this definitely is a great document, um, literal document because he, he did put it in print in, I believe in his book, attempted normal.
Guest:He's just got the transcript of this, uh, uh, speech.
Guest:Um,
Guest:but I think it's a real defining document of the show's legacy.
Guest:Like it is helpful to hear it being articulated.
Guest:Like just what the show did at the time when it was ascendant in the sense that like, this was not really heard very frequently.
Guest:These kind of, you know,
Guest:very open-hearted emotional conversations with creative people and now there's just a ton of them at varying levels of quality but this one really kind of i think was you know sparked a a a trend or a um a style that is rooted in in mark's personality and inquisitiveness and his kind of
Guest:open emotional empathy.
Guest:You know, I think people, people always, you know, talk about him being this gruff, grumpy guy.
Guest:But I think what you can hear in that speech is like, this is a guy desperate to understand other people, even if it's for selfish reasons, even if it's just to understand himself, he's desperate to understand other people.
Guest:And that, that comes through in this, I think.
Guest:And it comes through even in Andy Kindler's introduction of it.
Guest:To be like, my God, I can't believe I've been given this show.
Guest:The access this show gives me to people like me and to myself is remarkable.
Guest:And it was helpful for me to go back to that as a time in the history of this show that we were like, oh yeah, we knew that at the time.
Guest:This is a good thing.
Guest:It's important.
Marc:Yeah, so you knew that Mark had that in him, huh?
Marc:Like you saw that, you know, he had that sort of compassion and that sort of thoughtfulness.
Guest:Yeah, I knew it from week one of doing Morning Sedition.
Guest:Like that was the story that I always tell that Jonathan Larson sat us down in the hallway after doing like a week's worth of tests.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, you know, test shows.
Guest:And it was like me and Larson and Dan Pashman.
Guest:And he was like, let's talk.
Guest:Let's just sit here.
Guest:We were sitting in the hallway because there was nowhere to sit.
Guest:If you remember back then, we didn't have certain offices ready yet.
Guest:So we just like went out in the hallway and sat down.
Guest:And he was like, what works and what doesn't work?
Guest:Let's go through it.
Guest:And I spoke up first and I said, I know what works.
Guest:It's Mark.
Guest:But what doesn't work is we're not using him enough.
Guest:Like that guy could be the guy.
Guest:He connects.
Guest:And it was just one of those things.
Guest:Like you just...
Guest:like I guess it's an intangible quality to be able to spot those things but like I will say I can spot them and it's like it's like I can spot them in like things that when we get guests guest pitch to us you know Mark was mentioning that on the bonus episodes like we've gotten good at vetting you know who is gonna be good and who's not and it's not a we don't bat a thousand on it but like
Guest:we definitely bat better than if we just looked at a list and we're like, take this person, this person, this person.
Guest:Like, no, we use our intuition about, you know, very specific little things.
Guest:When we hear that, like Sebastian Stan, that's a great example.
Guest:Like that was pitched to us.
Guest:Mark, I know was not going to know him, but I also knew he would be interested in both of those movies.
Guest:He's in the Trump one, the apprentice and a different man.
Guest:And so I said, why don't you check these movies out?
Guest:But,
Guest:But also I'm going to just go ahead and book this guy because I went and listened to him talking about, you know, his life in Romania and that.
Guest:And so we can get there with him, even though you don't know the Marvel stuff and whatever.
Guest:And that's a great example of like how we can just move forward on these things through intuition.
Guest:Like he's a great like type of guy to talk to Mark as opposed to like an actor who's just there like, you know,
Guest:going through his roles or whatever.
Guest:This is a thoughtful guy.
Guest:This is a guy who's going to talk about the kind of things that Mark worries about and concerns himself with.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And, uh, yeah, you know, it's, I always go back to the morning sedition days because I think of, uh,
Marc:You know, in terms of gardening, like if you have a black thumb, your garden can be like shit.
Marc:You know, it can be terrible.
Marc:You know, and like it was like that with, you know, Jonathan Larson.
Marc:And then a new gardener comes in, you, and you're able to –
Marc:rehabilitate you're able to make this thing blossom and it really it really does matter it's no one can just replace you you know like you are part of the whole process like it wouldn't happen without you and and uh yeah well right i mean something would happen but it wouldn't be this
Guest:Yeah, that's that's the thing.
Guest:Like, I mean, I appreciate waxing my car and everything, but it's also it's like that.
Guest:I mean, Mark has given me plenty of credit on that and props and says this is my show as much as it is his.
Guest:And I appreciate that.
Guest:But I also agree with it.
Guest:It's like we make this thing.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But he can make plenty of other things.
Guest:I have nothing to do with his standup.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And I never would.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like that's, that's a, that's a talent of his that I am completely not involved in.
Guest:It's a talent of his that I, I appreciate and I was able to see how his talent in there can be translated to here.
Guest:Like that was actually my biggest motivation for wanting to continue to work with him after air America was still seeing him do standup and being like, how, how is no one tapping this?
Guest:Like, right.
Guest:This guy, I went with him to a weekend.
Guest:He was booked at the Punchline in San Francisco on a Saturday and a Sunday.
Guest:And he had two shows each night.
Guest:And I sat through four shows, which, you know, he would do like an hour and a half each.
Guest:And so it was like six hours of watching this guy over the course of a weekend.
Guest:And all of them were different.
Guest:And the crowd was with him the whole time.
Guest:And it was not a huge crowd.
Guest:It's a small comedy club crowd.
Guest:But they were with him the whole time.
Guest:And I was like...
Guest:This guy gets into people and he can do it with his own natural abilities.
Guest:And that was always what I wanted to tap.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And you did.
Marc:And Sebastian Stan, great, great interview.
Marc:I loved Mark asking in regards to Black Swan, were you one of the dancers?
Marc:That busted him up real good.
Marc:Also loved Sebastian making a Star Wars comparison to Mark.
Marc:And that was great.
Marc:It's like a sports metaphor.
Marc:Just like, uh-huh.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:No, I get it.
Marc:But I can't wait to see both of those movies that Mark and Sebastian were talking about that he's in.
Marc:I actually forgot that he was even in the Gossip Girl show.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, well, I never watched that.
Guest:What was he doing in that show?
Marc:I watched all of them.
Marc:I don't remember him in it.
Marc:So I have to go back and watch it.
Marc:I guess I'm just not one of those people that just, like, you know, notices someone from something.
Guest:You know what, though?
Guest:I saw pictures of him from when he was younger, you know, in probably that era, like pre-being in The Avengers.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:And it's interesting, like as Bucky, you know, as he is currently, he cuts a distinctive character, right?
Guest:When you look at him when he's younger, it's weird.
Guest:He just does kind of blend in.
Guest:And I find it interesting that he actually, like people must have been really impressed with his talent because I find it surprising that he broke through.
Guest:He's a very kind of general looking guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Good looking guy.
Marc:Good looking, but look like a generic one tree hill.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Exactly.
Guest:Like I, I, that, so that's why I would not be surprised even if you watched all of gossip girl.
Guest:And if he's on like, yeah, I don't know, half the show or whatever, you might still not remember him.
Guest:Cause he just didn't, he didn't cut a striking figure back then.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And he mentioned this movie, The Perfect Days, which is on Hulu.
Guest:Oh, the Vim Vendors movie.
Guest:I got to see that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I wanted to see it in the theater and it's like a lot of things in the theater.
Marc:If you miss it the first week, it's like gone these days.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's on Hulu, but it's on my list.
Marc:Another movie that was on my list that I did see was The Substance.
Marc:And I got to say,
Marc:Mark nailed it.
Marc:And everyone should go see this movie.
Guest:Did you see it in a theater with people in it?
Marc:Yes, I sure did.
Guest:Because that's what I've heard.
Guest:I've heard you got to see it with other people.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And don't just... The less you know, the better.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And what Mark just said was the perfect amount.
Marc:Just go see it.
Marc:It is a fun time at the movies.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And yeah, you guys should totally get Demi Moore in...
Guest:she was booked and then mark got covid so we yes we got fucked on that and then she went to to london but but i'm hoping that uh you know because the movie's gonna keep getting talked about they'll do an awards push for her i'm hoping that'll come back around because clearly like it was in the works she was she was booked like we had her in ready to come in the studio so uh that one just didn't happen because of covid
Marc:Gotcha.
Marc:And so, so Kit's car got stolen, huh?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, look, we don't know for a fact, but like when that happened and I was out there in LA when that happened, I was like, what kind of car is it?
Guest:And he's like, a Hyundai, 2011 Hyundai.
Guest:I was like, oh, that's it, gone.
Guest:Goodbye.
Guest:Some kid is joyriding that around right now.
Guest:And then sure enough, you know, he tells me, he comes to pick me up for that wedding and he's like, they found her car.
Guest:I was like, where?
Guest:He's like, a block away.
Guest:I'm like,
Guest:I fucking told you it was kids driving this thing around.
Marc:So wait, so let me just get this straight.
Marc:So Kit's car gets stolen.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The cops find it a few blocks away and Kit has to go talk to the cops.
Guest:Well, yeah, I guess so.
Marc:All right.
Marc:And you were there in California for all of this, right?
Guest:Well, I was there.
Guest:I mean, I didn't see anything having to do with the car, but I was out there at that time because we both went to this wedding.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So you, a slender, soft-spoken man, was with Mark, a man who has rage outbursts, and Kit's car gets stolen.
Guest:Yeah, I don't get where you're getting.
Guest:Where are you getting with this?
Marc:So, like, did you ever turn to the camera and realize you were in the middle of the Big Lebowski?
Marc:Did Kit ask the officer if there were any leads?
Guest:I did say that to Mark.
Guest:I got in the car.
Guest:I got in the car.
Guest:He came by to pick me up, and we were going to go have some breakfast that morning.
Guest:And I was like, so where's the car?
Guest:They got any leads?
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Guest:did they visit the fucking car dude yeah no he said though no that like that was the thing like he didn't believe this thing that i was telling him that but i'm a hyundai owner i know that they that there's this problem with them where you can it's mostly kias but hyundai's as well that they have a vulnerability particularly the old ones that they can be started very easily in fact we
Guest:Like there's kids have YouTube videos and TikTok videos showing how to do this so that then you can go joyride your car around and, you know, post your TikTok of you with this stolen car.
Guest:And he was like, they didn't take anything from in the car.
Guest:They didn't shit in the car.
Guest:And I was like, yeah, they don't want to take something that gets you closer to getting caught.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Marc:Fascinating.
Marc:But yeah, I heard that and I was like, dude, this is the big Lebowski.
Marc:Like, how are they in the big Lebowski right now?
Marc:And speaking of which, you know, weird segue, but how was the wedding?
Marc:Because you went to a beautiful party.
Marc:Was it on the beach?
Marc:No.
Marc:Were there naked girls being catwalked?
Guest:No, it's not like Jackie Trehorn's house at all.
Guest:uh it was a uh it was like a studio type environment like i guess probably either an art studio or maybe they use it for shooting some things but it was in downtown la it was very kind of la type of thing where you like down under the freeways and you're like where are
Guest:the hell are we and it just looks like it's like what old Williamsburg used to look like but no water but like you know like back back in the day before Williamsburg was anything it was just like bombed out warehouses and stuff right like so that was this but then you walked into this loft place and it was you know a total you know Tom Sharpling production uh and his wife Julia Vickerman and she's an artist so it was very uh you know uh kind of
Guest:fashion forward and a lot of colors and pastels and a great time, a lot of fun, a lot of fun people.
Guest:It's fun to be around like a bunch of very creative, artistic people.
Guest:You kind of know that anybody you're going to talk to has something interesting to talk about.
Guest:And I was very happy to be there, very happy for Tom, who we've known for a very long time, as shown by the Mark and Tom show that we replayed.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Um, from, uh, from back in 2012.
Guest:Uh, yeah.
Guest:Like, I mean, Mark and Tom are friends because like I hooked them up.
Guest:Like I was like, you guys should be friends.
Marc:Amazing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And look at that.
Marc:You, you got invited to the wedding.
Marc:Like, like that is a testament to you and who you are.
Guest:Oh, well, I mean, that's, I, I really just appreciate it just on the sense of, you know, loving Tom as a person.
Guest:He's a great guy.
Guest:And I'm honored to be there at his, uh, his wedding.
Marc:And I mean, we don't have to use this, but I do want to talk about what you wore.
Marc:Like, what would you wear?
Marc:Like, who were you wearing, Brendan?
Guest:I don't know who I was wearing, but it was it was a very shiny polyester, pink polyester suit.
Guest:We were told on the wedding invitation to dress big and bold and colorful.
Guest:It says, please outdo the bride and groom.
Guest:So, uh, I, uh, I understood the assignment and I, uh, I went as big and bright and loud and colorful as I could.
Guest:Uh, Tom said, I look like a cop from the future.
Guest:He said like, like, like something, I guess like he was probably thinking like something out of like the fifth element, you know, where like.
Guest:Totally.
Guest:The cops, even though they got like aviator shades on, they're wearing like, you know, something that looks like it belongs in like fashion week.
Guest:Like, I think that was how I was envisioning it that way.
Guest:And that came through.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Dude, you looked like, who directed Batman Forever?
Guest:Oh, Joel Schumacher?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:You looked like Joel Schumacher's Batman Forever.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, like if I was a goon for like, you know, like the Riddler, like I'm like a Riddler goon.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:But like the Riddler is wearing all green.
Guest:Mine is hot pink.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And you somehow were pulling it off, by the way.
Marc:Oh, well, thank you.
Marc:You looked amazing.
Marc:I was in awe of it.
Guest:Oh, that's I appreciate that.
Guest:I was I was told by many people there that it was a great suit.
Guest:I I made sure to take a picture with with Vic Berger, the the great video editor.
Guest:He also, I think, you know, fully understood the assignment.
Guest:He was wearing like a red velvet dinner jacket with a Tennessee whiskey T-shirt and a red cowboy hat.
Guest:And I thought that's a guy who gets it.
Marc:That's great.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:How was the how was the flight out?
Guest:The flight out was great.
Guest:I was watching the Mets.
Guest:If there was an air marshal on the flight, I definitely would not be talking to you right now.
Guest:I'd be shot or in jail because he would have absolutely thought I was hijacking the plane with all the noise I made when Pete Alonzo hit the go-ahead home run.
Guest:Uh, but so that was the flight out, uh, the flight back.
Guest:I, I, uh, the Mets game ended before really the flight took into gear.
Guest:And, uh, I was set watching, you know, using the rest of my time to, you know, see if I can follow my rules that we had talked about several episodes ago.
Guest:Uh,
Guest:And I knew I had about like three and a half hours of flight left.
Guest:So let's see, is there a movie that I should watch?
Guest:I didn't want to watch something that was three and a half hours.
Guest:And I was also bummed that the Mets had lost that night.
Guest:So I was not, I was looking to be totally distracted.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And I didn't want to have to like, you know, do any work.
Guest:I didn't want to have to write something.
Guest:I didn't want to have to, you know, I don't want to put my mind through any more struggle.
Guest:Just like, you know, help me, help me unwind here.
Guest:Set it and forget it.
Guest:so yeah so i looked for what movies could i watch and i went against a rule of mine but it kind of fits in the rules that i have you know i usually say watch something you've you've already seen right but also as if you remember back to my rules of flight watching you can also watch something as long as you know it's not going to be like uh compromised by the way you're watching it right like
Guest:don't watch something that's supposed to be seen in like 70 millimeter, you know, Vista scope, but, but, and don't watch something super R rated.
Guest:That's going to be all cut to pieces.
Guest:Uh, so I picked, which I hadn't seen.
Guest:I picked the fall guy.
Guest:I thought, Oh, this is probably a good plane flight, you know, movie.
Guest:And, and on that level, it was, uh,
Guest:It was a plain movie.
Guest:Fine.
Guest:I unloaded my brain or whatever.
Guest:But I would say I still sat there watching it disappointed.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I knew I was going to be disappointed with that movie from when they started mentioning the third act problems.
Marc:I was like, oh, no.
Guest:Oh, like the meta stuff about it.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:That was whatever it was.
Guest:Here's what I will say.
Guest:And I'd start like, cause remember I wanted to watch this.
Guest:I wanted to, I wanted to go nice and easy on the old noggin.
Guest:Just came through a tough Mets loss.
Guest:Right.
Guest:The plot of the fall guy in, in, in the basic sense, like if you had to explain it to someone that,
Guest:It's very simple.
Guest:It's a romantic comedy of a stuntman and a up and coming director who he was once in love with when she was a camera operator.
Guest:They have a reason why they were separated.
Guest:She's angry at him.
Guest:Now he's trying to win her back.
Guest:And in the midst of this, there is some conflict, right?
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Very basic.
Guest:This movie does what so many movies do.
Guest:And frankly, I feel so like I'm like old man, get off my lawn with this, but I am really fed up with the over plotting of movies.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:So much.
Guest:There is so much plot and it is, I, I can't, I'm trying to figure out where did this start?
Guest:Who is responsible?
Guest:Is this because of like Netflix and binge watching?
Guest:And so everything has to have all these layers so that you move to the next episode.
Guest:You don't turn it off.
Guest:Oh, what's going to happen with these three untied ends?
Guest:You know, like we have to.
Guest:You're right.
Guest:Just keep the next one going.
Guest:Is that it?
Guest:Is it because of comic book movies and they're trying to layer in all of these different things from comics?
Guest:And the time where it jumped out at me as the most egregious was, it was like five years ago, I guess now, in the theater watching that awful final Star Wars movie, the Skywalker, Rise of Skywalker.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it had like...
Guest:20 plot points that you had to keep track of like a video game.
Guest:And it might be that too.
Guest:It might be video games.
Guest:Like people's brains are conditioned now to be like accomplishing tasks.
Guest:Like, Oh, and now you have to get, remember that whole part in the rise of Skywalker, they had to find some dagger or spike and they go on a mission to that.
Guest:And then that's a map to something else.
Guest:And now this is a thing.
Guest:And it's like, you know what I liked?
Guest:Fucking Han Solo.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Just one guy who's like cracking wise.
Guest:Like, can we fucking ease up?
Guest:Because like I said, with that fall guy, it was a very simple thing.
Guest:And then even if you tried to explain the complicated plot that they laid over it, that plot was very simple.
Guest:But this thing made it like it's some fucking crazy mystery and you got to be paying attention every five seconds.
Guest:This poor actress from everything, everywhere, all at once shows up just to be a plot.
Guest:Like I'm watching them.
Guest:Like I, I just went while I was in LA and went and watched yet again, went and watched Pulp Fiction.
Guest:And the, the thing about Pulp Fiction is like, you can kind of drop in on it at any time.
Guest:And I wanted to go see it cause it was playing at Tarantino's movie theater.
Guest:And,
Guest:And there's that one scene where they take the car to the junkyard and Mr. Wolf comes out with Julia Sweeney.
Guest:She's his friend, Raquel.
Guest:And she's got like 90 seconds of screen time.
Guest:And there is more character.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:in her 90 seconds, like you understand who this lady is at the junkyard.
Guest:You enjoy her for the brief time.
Guest:She's on the screen.
Guest:They don't need her to explain anything about the story or any shit like that.
Guest:She makes a fun joke at their expense of their clothes.
Guest:And that's that this poor woman from everything, everywhere, all at once, Stephanie Sue, she's got an Oscar nomination and she comes on halfway through this thing to explain 20 things in two minutes and
Guest:And then do nothing and then leave the movie.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Never to be heard from again.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And it's like, this does not.
Guest:And you know, the sad thing about that with this fall guy is that it's a very impressive production.
Guest:Like they, obviously the movie's about stuntmen.
Guest:So, and it's made by the John Wick stuntman guy.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And this guy cares about stunts.
Guest:He, he, he wants to, to make them the star of the movie.
Guest:And he does.
Guest:Every time you see a stunt in this movie, it's very good.
Guest:People really hit ground.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like there's there's a lot of thumbs up going on both on camera and off camera.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And I couldn't actually.
Guest:just sit and enjoy it the way i would with like a canon film where you're seeing the same thing where you're like well that guy drove through a wall and that's that's was that was what they did because they just were like we have the budget for one take we're gonna drive the car through the wall it's gonna explode and that was it and you're like well i'm satisfied with that with this where they have no budgetary constraints apparently uh and the movie still didn't do well and
Guest:And it's just overloaded with this plot, plot, plot, plot.
Guest:I was so aggravated.
Guest:And maybe part of that was my aggravation that the Mets lost.
Guest:But I was also like, why can't I just watch a dumb movie about stuntmen?
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Even that you couldn't enjoy.
Marc:Well, that's a bummer.
Marc:But, you know, to be expected.
Guest:Well, you were on a plane recently and we didn't get to talk to you.
Guest:Did you follow any particular rules when you were in India?
Yeah.
Marc:Thank you for asking.
Marc:And I did take your rules into consideration.
Marc:And one of the rules was watch something you know.
Marc:And I had a very unique chance to see a movie that I personally love that is critically panned and no one likes it.
Marc:However, it's an airplane version of this movie.
Marc:And it is Meet Joe Black.
Marc:This is a movie that's like over three hours long.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And it is, it is expensive.
Marc:And I think it's just, it's known mostly as people went to buy a ticket to this movie to see the Star Wars prequel trailer.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:That's right.
Marc:I remember that.
Marc:I think that's why I watched it.
Marc:But as I was sitting in the theater, I was like, oh, this is good.
Marc:This is what grownups watch.
Marc:But so I've always had, I've always enjoyed it.
Marc:But there was this two hour and 15 minute version of Micho Black that I was like, look, I'm on this plane for 16 hours.
Marc:Let's give it a go.
Marc:And I got to say, it was crazy.
Marc:Why was it so cut down?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Do you know... So, if you've ever seen the movie, it's, you know, death, you know, takes Brad Pitt's body and is walking around and meets up with Anthony Hoppigans, who's this billionaire, like, television tycoon guy and wants him to guide him around this life.
Marc:And the parts that were cut from the original movie were all, like, the business side of the movie.
Marc:So, it was...
Marc:The cut was like the romantic version where Brad Pitt's character, you know, Death, falls in love with Anthony Hopkins' daughter.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:The woman from Ball Rats.
Guest:But so there was nothing like, it wasn't like, I mean, it's a PG-13 movie in the first place.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:It's not like there's tons of objectionable material in it.
Marc:No.
Marc:It was just, oh, we're going to condense it to, like, basically, like, what's the opposite of a director's cut?
Marc:Like, a studio cut.
Marc:So, like, here's the version we wished was in the theater.
Marc:So, like, Jeffrey Tambor, who was in that movie in all of those, like, business scenes, he's, like, in it for one scene and never seen it again.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Just never seen it again.
Marc:So, yeah, it was a fascinating watch.
Marc:And I can't recommend it.
Guest:Well, it's one of those things.
Marc:is recommended for you and you alone you're like oh let me watch my favorite movie that no one likes oh and it's a new experience yes this is like the curated for chris playlist well and then the next movie i put on i was gonna double down on your thing where oh let's watch a movie i know except a little different and i watched the uh godfather three but the uh the new one
Marc:Yeah, the new one, the Godfather Coda, the death of Michael Corleone.
Marc:Oh, weird.
Marc:That was a weird experience, man.
Marc:And I can't say it was better.
Marc:It was weird.
Marc:It was just a weird time.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:Like a recent Francis Ford Coppola thing that's very weird that you can't explain whether it's good or bad?
Guest:I don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah.
Marc:He's got a type.
Marc:It's like his thing.
Guest:We should probably do a Megalopolis show at some point.
Marc:I mean, I really want us to.
Marc:That was a time.
Marc:That was a whole scene.
Marc:Another movie I watched that I saw, and I'll just wrap with this, that we should also talk about is The Beekeeper.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:This movie is like, I love it.
Marc:I love this movie.
Marc:And there's a third act reveal that is so over the top that I almost got up and started screaming.
Marc:It is.
Guest:Well, you know, maybe we should do this in advance of the election because I think, I feel like it's a very election oriented movie.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Yeah, I'm in because this movie is an all-timer.
Guest:Yeah, maybe if like the week before the election, if people are feeling a little anxiety, we can like ease their stress with a discussion of the beekeeper.
Guest:Awesome.
Guest:all right well if there's anything else out there that you want us to talk about please write in we've got mailbag stuff to do we didn't get time to do it this week although I do want to say this and I will say it again when we do our once upon a time in Hollywood episode I was corrected about something that I was wrong about and I will mention it for the record here I will mention it again to make sure anybody who heard me say it knows that I was incorrect because the last time when we were talking about the hateful eight I killed Bruce Dern
Guest:I said he was dead.
Guest:He is not dead.
Guest:Bruce Stern is alive.
Guest:I mean, I will put two reasons as to why I thought that one is that I, I had in my head that he had died and that I reposted his episode, but it was not him.
Guest:It was Peter Fonda.
Guest:And, and that also, I think the reason that it added to my mental thought that Bruce Dern was dead was that in once upon a time in Hollywood, he replaced a dead actor.
Guest:It was Burt Reynolds and,
Guest:And he's like dying in the movie playing the guy at Spahn Ranch.
Guest:So like, I think it just like all that gruel mixed around in my brain.
Guest:And I was like, oh yeah, unfortunately that guy's dead, but we have an interview with him.
Guest:No, he is alive.
Marc:That's a Dernsey.
Marc:That was a bad Dernsey.
Guest:Sorry about that, Dernsey.
Guest:All right.
Guest:And so I was made aware of that by your comments.
Guest:So if you ever hear anything on this show that's incorrect, you know, just please send it in and I will correct it on the air here.
Guest:That is the link in the episode description.
Guest:You just click on that, send a comment to us, send us about anything you want us to talk about, and we will get on that.
Guest:And once again, this has been The Friday Show on
Guest:I am Brendan, and that's Chris.
Guest:Let's go Mets.
Guest:Peace.