BONUS The Friday Show - Their Eyes Were Watching Godzilla
Guest:You got to do that for the Pope.
Guest:How many canisters do they have of the black smoke?
Guest:Do they ever run out?
Guest:I just don't understand why they just stick with just the black smoke.
Guest:Like, you can't purple that thing up.
Guest:You can't do a little green.
Guest:Come on.
Guest:Jizz that up.
Guest:Yeah, each round maybe should have a different color.
Guest:Like, that way you know.
Marc:Also, like, maybe a 70% gets a green.
Marc:And, like, you know.
Marc:We're getting close.
Marc:We're getting close.
Marc:Oh, no, we're back to 10%.
Marc:What happened?
Marc:What happened?
Guest:Hello, Chris.
Marc:Hey, Brendan.
Guest:Good to hear your voice.
Guest:How's it going, man?
Guest:It's going.
Marc:How's it going by you?
Guest:It's, you know, it's life.
Guest:Life is life.
Guest:And, you know, we had to face this in terms of setting this show up today.
Guest:What the hell are we doing?
Guest:What are we going to do?
Guest:And I was pretty clear to you, like, I don't want to talk about the election.
Guest:And I frankly, I don't want to talk about it with anybody.
Guest:And I don't want to talk to most people about most things.
Guest:Like, I'm like, I just kind of don't want to be around people right now.
Guest:I'm kind of pissed at people.
Guest:So like, I didn't like really, and you and I are friends, so we can talk all the time, but like, I didn't want us to feel like, you know, oh, we got to talk about our feelings and, you know, say what is on our mind or whatever.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I don't know, I gave it some thought.
Guest:I'm like, I think people, you know, they pay their money for this service.
Guest:We've decided to show up here on Fridays with a show every week.
Guest:And, you know, they want to be entertained and enjoy themselves.
Guest:And one of the things we decided that we do here is, like, talk about the week that was WTF and all the things behind the scenes on this show and give a little information and then try to talk about other things that are in our, you know, sphere of enjoyment.
Guest:And I think we just keep doing that, you know, like, let's do that today.
Guest:We can obviously talk about whatever's on our mind.
Guest:I mean, I know that there was some crossover for me, for sure, in terms of, like, things I'm enjoying and things I do for fun and the election.
Guest:Because, as you know, I took myself off the field.
Guest:For the election.
Guest:Like I went to the movies at 6 p.m.
Guest:on election night with the intention of staying completely in the dark for like, you know, five hours.
Guest:I love this idea.
Guest:Like I saw a movie and kept my phone off and then went into another movie for another two plus hours, kept my phone off.
Guest:And I didn't learn anything until the movies were over.
Guest:And I, you know, checked in with what was going on.
Guest:Do you want to tell everyone what you saw?
Guest:Well, yes, because it's interesting.
Guest:It wound up being pretty appropriate, like on two levels.
Guest:And I didn't know that going in.
Guest:And in fact, like what you would have thought going in if you knew these two movies, you're like, oh, maybe that's kind of like the election, which, you know, is because the second movie I saw was Conclave.
Guest:Oh, yeah, you did.
Guest:About, you know, a conclave to choose the new pope.
Guest:And it's a fiction film, by the way.
Guest:Some people, I think, think it's like about like really what happened with the last pope or something.
Guest:No.
Guest:Oh, no, this is very much fiction.
Guest:Are you sure about that?
Guest:Are you sure about that?
Guest:I've got to be careful.
Guest:I cannot really talk about this movie because even just slightly talking about it probably constitutes as a spoiler.
Marc:First of all, I've seen Conclave and I absolutely fucking love this movie.
Marc:Like this is like, it's like a prestige drama, but then it's just not like, it's just fun.
Guest:You can't do it though.
Guest:You're going to ruin it for people.
Marc:Like, are we?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Because.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Great.
Marc:Great.
Marc:No, I can talk about this.
Marc:I swear I can thread this needle.
Marc:Okay.
Okay.
Marc:So, Mr. Conclave himself.
Marc:Conclave, yeah.
Marc:He's one day from retirement, right?
Marc:It's very much that.
Guest:He's like, I'm getting too old for this shit.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He has to do a conclave.
Marc:And it is...
Marc:The most fun time at the movies.
Marc:OK, so just think it's this guy's one day before retirement and he's got this.
Guest:And everything's going wrong, too.
Guest:Like, like Conclave, he has to really step up his game.
Guest:Like he he didn't just get like a normal one.
Guest:He has to he has to like this is like an extra Conclave.
Marc:Yeah, it's like, I got so much shit on my plate here.
Marc:I got this Conclave.
Marc:I'm like, I don't have time for this.
Marc:Conclave does a great job, though.
Guest:Conclave is great.
Guest:We need a super team of Conclave and Taken.
Guest:The young Pope.
Guest:The young Pope.
Guest:Yeah, that'd be great.
Marc:They meet up and there's a knock on the door and it's, hey, this guy, Michael Corleone, he wants to be in the Vatican.
Guest:Yeah, and all crisscrosses.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, just a fun Pope time.
Marc:We got some coup music.
Marc:Yeah!
Marc:When the young Pope comes, like, I am down for this.
Guest:Well, Conclave wound up not really pertaining too much to the election at all, mostly because just a kind of not very realistic as pertaining to life.
Guest:But but something did come up with it.
Guest:I'll bring that up in a second.
Guest:But I think more importantly was the first movie that I chose to see, which I have not seen yet.
Guest:You saw it, you talked about it earlier in the year on this show, and it was Godzilla Minus One, which they put back into theaters for the 70th anniversary of Godzilla, I guess.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:i very much enjoyed it's a really fun great bit of like old school action movie making this guy is so clearly influenced by spielberg and you know there's there's jaws all over this jurassic park all over this yes um it it you brought up that it has a feel of dunkirk a little bit and that's definitely true that last third
Guest:i mean it has a lot of chris nolan frankly like yes like the there's there's a lot you know like toward the end of the uh batman the third batman where everything's like trying like kind of coming together and you see like you know robin or well you didn't know he was robin at the time but he goes and he's getting this like uh care package that was left for him right and then michael kane is like and you kind of know where all these things are leading right it was like the same thing at the end of this godzilla where i was like all right i know what that
Guest:telegram is like you just like see all these things getting laid out and it had a very Nolan feel to it uh but it's a cool movie and it's uh it's very Japanese uh from a kind of nationalistic point of view like it definitely reminded me obviously the origins of Godzilla are very much about the national mood at the time and the fear of nuclear war and all that and this doesn't shy away from that but it's also kind of like looking at modern Japan and
Guest:And this very explicit idea that like the government is not there to help people.
Guest:And in fact, the government will just like protect the fuck out of itself.
Guest:And like you're on your own.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it was kind of crazy sitting in there watching this movie and taking in this very central plot element of it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Only to walk out of this theater I was in a couple hours later and be like, oh, I'm those guys now.
Guest:Like, we're all those guys.
Guest:And if you didn't see the movie, I'll explain this really without giving anything away.
Guest:It's just kind of central plot point of the film.
Guest:Is that, you know, Godzilla is attacking...
Guest:as he does.
Guest:And, uh, the Japanese government, this, this movie takes place before the first Godzilla, right?
Guest:It's essentially a prequel, hence the minus one.
Guest:And so this is like three years after world war two has ended and Godzilla is attacking and, um,
Guest:The Japanese are like, no way, like we are not involved in this, particularly because if we send warships back out there now, while the Soviets and the U.S.
Guest:are floating around in these waters, we are going to set off an international incident and we're just going right back to where we started.
Guest:And we don't want to be involved in any of this stuff.
Guest:Let the Soviets and let the U.S.
Guest:fight it out.
Guest:We're staying away.
Guest:And, like, the people who are getting attacked by Godzilla are like, what are we supposed to do?
Guest:And they're like, here's a couple of dinghies.
Guest:Like, they give them some, like, minor boats, right, with, like, no armaments on them.
Guest:And so everybody's just assuming, you know, the government is going to leave us for dead.
Guest:We're going to get killed by Godzilla.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:this group of like uh former service members led by a scientist who who was a part of the navy and was like doing uh research on bombs and stuff so he's like the science guy he's got glasses full-on nerd he's just like exactly what the kind of you know godzilla movie needs in terms of like the nerd with the answers right love that guy great hair by oh yeah yeah total good mad scientist hair everything was there for that guy
Guest:Doc Brown.
Guest:So he, he corrals all these, you know, former service members and they come into a room and he explains to them his idea of now that they don't have military help and they don't have any real weapons, so to speak.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They can still, he thinks, trap Godzilla by attaching canisters of Freon to it, like swim around it with boats and kind of harpoon it with these Freon canisters, kind of like what you do to the shark in Jaws, right?
Guest:You weight him down with the barrels.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And, you know, you'll you'll blow these canisters and the propulsion from the Freon escaping will drive Godzilla to the base of the sea.
Guest:Right.
Guest:The floor of the ocean.
Guest:And it will the pressure will be pressurized to be killed.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But they're like, well, how do we know that?
Guest:He regenerates.
Guest:He's, you know, Godzilla.
Guest:He's a monster.
Guest:And they're like, well, here's our fallback.
Guest:If that doesn't work, we're going to inflate a bunch of rafts that are also on these canisters.
Guest:And that will shoot him back up to the top and decompress him.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Give him the bends.
Guest:So so they have all this like science stuff.
Guest:going of like how to kill Godzilla.
Guest:And you can watch the movie, see if it's successful.
Guest:And, but, but like these dudes are like, like listening to this guy, explain it.
Guest:And they're like, is this like a suicide mission?
Guest:And the guy's like,
Guest:No, I mean, it's not as bad as kamikazes had it like that.
Guest:That was a suicide mission.
Guest:This is like we could survive.
Guest:And, you know, this is our chance is our chance to do it.
Guest:And like a bunch of these dudes in the room are like, I just got out of a nuclear war and I survived that.
Guest:Like, why am I going to go do this?
Guest:And this one dude who's like a retired admiral, he's like, you're right.
Guest:You don't have to do this.
Guest:Not one person in this room has been commissioned.
Guest:You guys are all here because this is just your town and it's getting attacked.
Guest:And you're free to go.
Guest:You don't have to stay here.
Guest:But anyone who wants to stay and fight the monster, this is our idea.
Guest:This is our plan.
Guest:And like a few dudes do leave.
Guest:Like there are people who are like, gotcha.
Guest:Thank you for the, thank you for the clarity.
Guest:I am out of here.
Guest:And then the people who stay are like, Hey, seems as good an idea as any.
Guest:Like what, what do we have to lose?
Guest:Because otherwise we're just going to sit around and just wait till one day the monster will heat Ray our whole village and we'll be dead.
Guest:And like,
Guest:I took that in and watched the rest of the movie.
Guest:Didn't think much of it.
Guest:And that is immediately what occurred to me, you know, three hours later when I finally left that theater was I was like, oh yeah, we're those Godzilla guys.
Guest:Now we're just here to like, keep the monster at bay.
Guest:Nobody's coming to help.
Guest:There is no, there is no one coming.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We are on our own, but on our own, we can do this.
Guest:Like we can get through this together.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:We have intuition.
Guest:We have smarts.
Guest:We have survival skills.
Guest:We will get through this.
Guest:We got to put tanks on the monster and blow it to the sea.
Guest:That's fine.
Guest:If it survives and comes back up, we got to try something else.
Guest:Like that's the takeaway I had from my time spent in that theater.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That is beautiful.
Marc:And wow, that is incredible.
Marc:I also went to the movies.
Marc:I wasn't able to go to the movies with you because leaving my wife here alone would have just been cruel.
Marc:So we actually went to the movies.
Marc:A theater near us was playing this thing that I've never heard of before, but I saw the listing and I was like, we have to go to this.
Marc:And it's called Silence Synced.
Marc:And it's Nosferatu from 1922 with the music from Radiohead.
Guest:That was awesome.
Guest:So did they put, they used like various Radiohead or one particular album?
Guest:Two albums of Radiohead, Kid A and Amnesiac.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Marc:So that's like one album that got split into two.
Marc:Yes, exactly.
Marc:And it was great.
Marc:Oh, I bet.
Marc:I never saw Nosferatu.
Marc:So this was a real treat and a really fun time.
Marc:And it was so much better than staring at my television and refreshing a stupid app that I no longer have on my phone.
Marc:So yeah, really enjoyed going to the movies instead of just doom scrolling.
Guest:Did you did you take anything like, see, I'm wondering, like, because my feelings about Godzilla and how it pertained to, you know, our lived experience.
Guest:Did you feel anything like that coming out of Nosferatu?
Guest:I mean, it's pretty bleak.
Guest:So was it was it like were you like feeling excessively bleak?
Marc:Oh, well, let's see.
Marc:I was I was thinking of who would be the virgin that would sacrifice herself so that we could all live and kill the monster.
Marc:So still searching for that virgin.
Marc:You know, one of these days we'll figure it out.
Marc:And and that'll happen.
Marc:But but yeah, no, I didn't take away any like the dread was was coming to the town.
Marc:And it was it very much mirrored the dread that was going to happen when I walked out of the theaters.
Guest:Yeah, I mean, that is the thing about Nosferatu.
Guest:It's, you know, that original one.
Guest:And I'm assuming the Robert Eggers one that's coming out next year.
Guest:That one's great.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And of all the Dracula adaptations, like, it very clearly understands that Dracula is just chaos.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Dracula is just a force of chaos.
Guest:It's like, you know, the Joker or Anton Chigurh, right?
Guest:Like that's, if you go back and read Dracula, there's no like, Dracula is not a lover.
Guest:Dracula is not like some brooding, you know, widower who's sad about his, you know, departed wife from back in the, during the Crusades or whatever.
Guest:He's a chaos agent.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's just this thing that arrived on a boat and it's gonna doom everyone.
Yes.
Marc:So very apt for for Tuesday night.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, my hindsight situation with with Conclave was, you know, having nothing to do with the actual voting in it.
Guest:And this would not be a spoiler to give to talk about this, that in the beginning of the movie, Conclave played by Ralph Fiennes decides, you know, he's he's giving a homily about the departed pope.
Guest:And he says, I don't, you know, obviously movies and theaters right now and I didn't take notes, but so I don't know, I'm paraphrasing here.
Guest:I don't remember exactly how this was put, but I remember pretty well in that he was talking about, you know, this, you know, central tenets of the faith and of Catholicism and it's to live with sin and be forgiven of sin.
Guest:And part of that is to then, you know, overcome that sin and,
Guest:And he said, we have a lot of ways that we know how to do that, but we have to be aware of the sins.
Guest:And one of the biggest sins, if not the biggest sin, is the sin of certainty.
Guest:And he said, let the next Pope among us be a man filled with doubt.
Yeah.
Guest:And boy, oh boy, does that apply today.
Guest:Like, it's just the most recurring thought I have, even divorced from Conclave, is like...
Guest:way too many people are way too certain about shit they don't know.
Guest:And I get it.
Guest:It's like the human impulse to want to do that.
Guest:But like, I do think if there's any kind of like a takeaway I have and, and a way going forward, the way that I can kind of improve my own perception of the world is to understand
Guest:Not be so assured of that which we know is uncertain, right?
Guest:The guesswork, the speculation, the prognostication.
Guest:Yeah, like set that stuff aside.
Guest:Get very familiar with three words.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Get very familiar with those and be okay with saying them.
Guest:And I think that might start to kind of improve people's disposition over things.
Guest:Because I think a lot of like freak out is like, how could this happen?
Guest:And it's like, oh, there's a lot of ways it could have happened.
Guest:And they were kind of in our face and we just choose not to see them, you know?
Marc:And like...
Marc:You know, something, you know, for me, for like my jobs, you know, throughout my life, something that people that were around longer than me have always said to me, it's like, hey, look, no one really knows what they're doing.
Marc:They're just pretending until, you know, faking it till they make it.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And that's true for everyone.
Marc:Right.
Marc:We all don't know what we're really doing.
Marc:No one knows the future.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Parents barely know what they're doing.
Marc:We're just pretending that we do know to survive.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Well, and I think that, you know, you can know something is uncertain, but through a certain amount of exposure...
Guest:You just accept a certainty around it.
Guest:And what I mean by that is like we all know there was there's no like end result to an election, not just this election, but any election that you can know ahead of time.
Guest:There's none.
Guest:You're it's an it's a thing that has to happen.
Guest:happen before you can get a result.
Guest:So you can do all the pre polling or work or, you know, field study or whatever focus grouping ahead of time.
Guest:You will not know until it happens.
Guest:And I think most people know this.
Guest:We inherently know it, but we can convince ourselves through constant exposure to the idea that we do know something that it's that.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We can outthink this uncertainty, right?
Guest:Hmm.
Guest:No, we can't.
Guest:And a big part of that is the poison of social media in your face all the time, all the time, over and over and over again.
Guest:24-hour news networks too, man.
Guest:Oh, yeah, just all this drip of stuff that is speculative and not real, not tangible, and it just...
Guest:washes over you, and after a while, you're like, I believe this.
Guest:I mean, really, when you think about it, it's the core principle of gambling.
Guest:Like, a gambler knows, like, well, I don't really know how the game is going to end, but they have convinced themselves that through a certain series of information and attributes that they have attained, well, I've figured this out.
Guest:This is how it's going to end, and I'm going to bet the over on that.
Guest:Can you think of a more ridiculous thing?
Guest:of putting money on something where it's reliant on a bunch of 20-year-olds or younger, you know, throwing a ball around.
Guest:It's crazy.
Guest:And so many people with so much certainty do it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And there's really no difference than what we've kind of conditioned ourselves to do when it comes to news and information and that.
Guest:It's like a lot of it we take in and we are then...
Marc:accustomed to thinking this is the way it is and it's like we just have to get much more comfortable with you know understanding information but being like and with that i draw no conclusions because i don't know yeah uh can i just say for conclave and for uh voting can i can i just offer uh rank choice voting for both uh i feel like we would get a lot uh done with rank choice voting
Guest:Yeah, well, we have ranked choice voting here in New York City.
Guest:We just did it for the last mayoral election.
Guest:That was the first time it kind of really happened citywide.
Guest:And they do it for the Oscars.
Guest:That's how you get best picture now.
Guest:It's ranked choice voting.
Marc:Yeah, same total conclave situation there.
Marc:Yeah, you got to do that for the Pope, though.
Marc:We got to get a ranked choice.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, how many canisters do they have of the black smoke?
Marc:Like, you know, like, do they ever run out?
Guest:I also, I just don't understand why they just stick with just the black smoke.
Guest:Like, you can't purple that thing up.
Guest:You can't do a little green.
Guest:Come on.
Marc:Sheesh that up a little.
Guest:Yeah, each round maybe should have a different color.
Guest:Like, that way you know.
Marc:Also, like, maybe a 70% gets a green.
Marc:And, like, you know.
Marc:We're getting close.
Guest:We're getting close.
Marc:Like, oh, no, we're back to 10%.
Guest:What happened?
Guest:What happened?
Guest:Some guy, they found out what he did.
Guest:Exactly.
Marc:We found some notes.
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:Well, yeah, get Conclave on the case.
Guest:Yes, please.
Guest:Please do.
Guest:Speaking of people like Conclave...
Guest:We can go all the way back to last week because last week we did not talk about WTF episodes.
Guest:And I feel like a very appropriate type of guy in a maybe not the conclave setting, like maybe he wouldn't be a cardinal or a diocesan priest or anything.
Guest:But I feel like a good kind of like police procedural guy is Robert Patrick.
Guest:Man, that guy.
Guest:It's so funny because you think about him as Terminator 2, right?
Guest:Like, you think about him as the T-1000.
Guest:And then, you know, other things he's been in.
Guest:I agree with Mark.
Guest:I always remember him from that Sopranos episode.
Guest:But I always do think of him as, like, a heavy, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That episode, like, it happens fairly regularly, to be honest.
Guest:Like, I mean...
Guest:Part of what makes the show work, I think, is that, you know, Mark does a good job with connecting with people and relating to them.
Guest:But man, like halfway through that, I was like, oh, these two are the same guy.
Guest:One just happens to be like the Terminator.
Guest:And he's like, you know, we have this mental image of him as this like unstoppable killing force.
Guest:But like, he is so insecure.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He talks about being immediately jealous of people who do things that he has no business doing.
Guest:I was like, oh my God, it's like... It's a mirror.
Guest:Twins, yeah.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Which is also so funny because the other Terminator who was in the garage...
Guest:Arnold is like the polar opposite of Mark.
Guest:Like the most overly confident guy.
Guest:Totally.
Guest:Guy who's like just willing to like let everything slide off his back because he knows he's the shit.
Guest:It's just like these two Terminators who are trying to kill each other.
Guest:It's like Mark versus Sam Seder.
Guest:Like that's the fight.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:I do realize that Robert Patrick's brother is the guy from Filter.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:That's wild to me.
Guest:Yeah, I remember him doing some like Instagram video Robert Patrick did of like, here, yeah, this is the house we grew up in.
Guest:And yeah, my dad was not good to him.
Guest:And that's why he wrote songs about how he hates his dad.
Marc:Amazing.
Marc:Holy shit.
Marc:That's great.
Marc:I found it fascinating.
Marc:The Robert Patrick just wanted like, oh, what's that?
Marc:What's that?
Marc:I'll have that.
Marc:And like he wanted some nicotine gum before even knowing it was nicotine gum.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It could have been anything.
Guest:I'll have that.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Again, that was the other thing.
Guest:Like, oh, these two addictive personalities.
Guest:Totally.
Guest:And Robert Patrick acknowledging that he, that he has like ADHD.
Guest:And I'm like, oh yeah, Mark totally has that.
Guest:Like it's, it's, it was uncanny that they were, maybe, maybe it's because he's that type of Terminator where he can just make himself into you, you know, like that's his skill in Terminator.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Marc:I also loved booze fighters.
Marc:Like, I saw the picture in the newsletter.
Marc:I was like, oh, look at that.
Marc:He has a jacket on with booze fighters.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And then Mark asked him about it.
Marc:He's like, ah, it's just some guy was like, ah, you guys sure do like booze and you like to fight.
Exactly.
Marc:Very easy.
Marc:It's like a Simpsons joke for Mr. Sparkle.
Marc:It's like, this is a joint collaboration between Matasura, Fish Works, and Tom and Brachy Energy Company.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Nice job there, Fish Bulb.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:Also, what was up with Mark?
Marc:So did that cigar fuck up Mark a little bit?
Marc:Did Mark have to like ground himself or like with some breathing exercises?
Guest:Oh, I don't know.
Guest:Why?
Guest:You noticed something?
Marc:Yeah, I noticed that when he offered Mark a cigar, I don't know, Mark was kind of doing some breathing.
Marc:Maybe he was just smelling the cigar.
Guest:Oh, that's probably what it was.
Guest:Yeah, he probably picked it up and was sniffing it.
Marc:Yeah, I guess so.
Marc:I guess so.
Marc:But I also dug Mark talking about hitting golf balls and ripping a really good shot.
Marc:And you can just apply that to acting and acting the shit out of a scene.
Marc:And now you're just addicted to acting.
Marc:And I just saw that Mark is in a Bruce Springsteen movie.
Guest:Yeah, that just happened.
Guest:based on listening to Warren Zanes interview with Mark, Warren Zanes wrote that book about this Bruce Springsteen album, Nebraska, the making of Nebraska.
Guest:And, and that's all the movie is like, it's not like a, it's not a walk the line or anything like that.
Guest:It's just about this one.
Guest:It's just the book.
Guest:It's the making of Nebraska.
Guest:And,
Guest:He listened to that episode and thought, this sounds like a movie, read the book and optioned it and decided to make it.
Guest:And I guess, you know, threw Mark a bone because it was like almost like a finder's fee.
Guest:Like, hey, come be in this movie.
Marc:That's incredible.
Marc:I can't believe that.
Marc:Wow, that's very, very cool.
Marc:Getting back to Robert Patrick, his Sopranos story was fucking great.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Mark flagged that for me immediately.
Marc:Like, when it was over, he's like, you're going to love this Sopranos story.
Marc:I mean, man, that guy tells a great story.
Marc:And I love, he's so like, he loves the name drop.
Marc:I love the whole name drop bit throughout the entire episode.
Guest:Yeah, he had chicken in my house.
Guest:What do you think about that?
Yeah.
Marc:They're just great together.
Marc:I hope he sold a Harley or two because of that episode.
Guest:Well, yeah.
Guest:I mean, hey, it's our target audience.
Guest:We have an older audience.
Guest:And I think Harleys are like bought only by boomers.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:You know, can I say, I love these people who are not like out actively promoting shit.
Marc:You know, like movies or television shows, whatever it is.
Marc:Like people are just like, hey, I just wanted to stop by.
Guest:I met you.
Marc:Let's like hang out.
Marc:So fun.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:We actively seek that out now because like, you know, you just get the lists of all the promotional things.
Guest:And we, you know, a couple of years ago made the decision, like we don't want to be tied to the promotional circuit.
Guest:We want to, you know, branch out.
Guest:And Mark can always talk to people who are interesting and who he's interested in that don't necessarily have something coming out and have something to promote.
Guest:So, yeah, that was a perfect example.
Guest:And I think, I don't think he would have done it, frankly, Robert Patrick, if like...
Guest:you know he's in uh whatever he said he was in reacher or uh the peacemaker right if they're sending people out to do like we get pitches for the peacemaker and it's like john cena right and i don't see robert patrick's name on those when they're pitching it and it's probably because like he said on the talk with mark he's like i don't do these kind of things i'm not super comfortable talking about myself and you could
Guest:See, there were times where he was like, you know, stepping on the brakes a little bit.
Guest:Like he was like, you know, and I could tell that that was why.
Guest:And the reason he wound up doing this was because he met the guy in the airport lounge and liked him and was like, yeah, I'll do this guy's show.
Guest:I like this guy.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:Also, another episode that happened in these two weeks was the second Mark and Tom episode.
Guest:Yeah, that's probably my favorite of the Mark and Tom show episodes, too.
Guest:What makes it your favorite?
Guest:It's got two things in it that I always think about.
Guest:Like, I think about them to this day.
Guest:Just things that Tom was talking about that I'm like, oh, yeah, you can apply that now.
Guest:His thing about, like, Pink Floyd...
Guest:and how it's like these guys in this brief period of time hit the top of the world and then immediately made records about how it's all garbage and meaningless.
Guest:I can't listen to Pink Floyd now without that section of that talk in my head.
Guest:The other thing is Tom's story about how he lived very close to Princeton, and it would haunt him that he couldn't go there.
Guest:He's like, where did I go wrong?
Guest:It's like my destiny to be here.
Guest:And I just, I think about that a lot of like things where you're like, wait, this seems like this should have been.
Guest:Wait, who do I complain to that it didn't happen?
Guest:Like, where can I lodge my complaint?
Marc:Totally.
Marc:And I really enjoyed Tom recounting how his parents saw Sammy Davis Jr.
Marc:in Vegas, and his mom was like, ah, he played every instrument.
Marc:And his dad being like, he played two notes on a sax.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:destroyed me absolutely love that so that episode also has that great story it's very much like the pink floyd story but that great thing about elvis i put this as a clip in the uh in in the episode you know his house and the tv yeah the tv like for for selling 500 million units or whatever million yes so much back then
Guest:What do we got sitting around?
Guest:Give Elvis a new TV.
Guest:A new fucking TV with our name on it.
Guest:RCA.
Guest:That was like the Yankees just did that to the announcer, John Sterling.
Guest:He retired and they literally gave him a TV on the field.
Guest:The New York fuck Yankees who like print money.
Guest:Legitimately the most valuable sports franchise in the world.
Guest:And they're like, hey, thank you for 60 years of service.
Marc:Wait, hey, Tommy, go to Costco, get a 60-inch.
Marc:It's going to be perfect.
Guest:Yeah, no free samples while you're there.
Guest:We don't have time.
Guest:Game starts in an hour.
Guest:And they just give it to him with, like, the box and everything.
Guest:It had those plastic wraps still on it, you know?
Like...
Marc:Came off the truck.
Marc:John's certainly just like, what do I take this home now?
Guest:Are you going to ship it for me?
Guest:He's like, I have a mini Cooper.
Guest:Where am I going to put this thing?
Marc:We'll strap it to the hood real nice.
Marc:It'll be great.
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:And then what was the next episode?
Guest:Oh, Billy Corbin was the next episode about the documentary from Russia with Lev.
Marc:Yeah, definitely.
Marc:I hope you listen to that before the election.
Guest:Well, because if you listen to it now, it's just a comedy.
Guest:Well, this is a this is a farce.
Guest:It's just like it's all bullshit.
Guest:So, yeah.
Guest:Yeah, that was a good time.
Guest:That's another one where a guy literally pulled something from our show, where he was like, I learned about Hunter Biden from listening to him on with you.
Guest:That was where I learned the most about that guy.
Marc:Yeah, and amazing that this guy... So Mark's mom sold his parents the house they got divorced in.
Marc:What a...
Marc:What a lovely, like, I hope he, like, knitted that into, like, one of those things, like, home sweet home.
Marc:Like, home sweet divorce home.
Marc:That's great.
Marc:Well, it's wild.
Marc:So they've known each other?
Marc:Is that the thing?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:I remember there was something else Billy Corbin did and we almost had him on for that.
Guest:I'm glad we saved it until he did this.
Guest:But Mark was like, oh yeah, I know that kid.
Guest:My mom and his mom were friends.
Guest:I remember it from years ago.
Guest:I don't remember what the movie was.
Marc:I love that he has a queue of docs that even he hasn't watched.
Marc:That makes me feel good.
Guest:Oh yeah, because how could you?
Yeah.
Marc:Like they're just so much.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And like there's just such a limited amount of time.
Marc:So, yeah, that was great to hear.
Marc:Also, he mentioned the other guys and credits and where Adam McKay does a whole Ponzi scheme explanation.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And I got to say, I don't remember that.
Guest:Oh, I do.
Marc:Look it up.
Guest:Oh, no, I remember it fully because it's so weird.
Guest:It's like you just watched this goofy-ass thing, and then the end credits are just like a Democracy Now!
Guest:slideshow, basically.
Guest:That's crazy.
Guest:It's essentially what becomes the big short and all of his kind of political advocacy, but it's not even gradual.
Guest:It's like he just, all of a sudden, the end credits of the other guys, he's like, by the way, this is me now.
Guest:I'm a fucking furious dude about like...
Guest:capitalism, right?
Guest:And I'm going to just tell you exactly how it all works.
Marc:It sounds great.
Marc:It sounds insane that that actually happened because I remember seeing the other guys in the movie theater and I do not remember the whole Ponzi scheme.
Guest:Oh, I remember because everybody sat around watching it, waiting for the funny outtakes.
Guest:Like I feel like he did it deliberately because at that point, everyone knew these Will Ferrell, McKay movies will have killer outtakes in
Guest:During the credits, you know, you had it with Step Brothers and Talladega Knights and Anchorman.
Guest:Like everyone was primed for these outtakes.
Guest:And instead, you're just sitting there watching this thing explain how venture capitalists and other firms like, you know, seed their money and they just totally topple small businesses.
Guest:And you're like, what the fuck is this?
Guest:And then he shows one outtake at the end, like after all the credits are done.
Guest:There's some like there's one out.
Guest:It's like like a Marvel after credit scene.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Marc:It's one outtake.
Marc:Yeah, that's great.
Marc:Amazing.
Marc:Then we had Mo Mandel, which was a really good talk.
Marc:Did you ever get into beat poets?
Guest:No, I mean, it's, I mean, I, I, you know, in a lit class had to read that stuff, but I, I think, you know, for us, I guess though, I guess Moe's our same age.
Guest:He might even be a little younger than us.
Guest:So that's, it is a little interesting that he's into it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I only liked On the Road and that was because of like a girl that I liked.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And like, I actually went to see, I got to see the scroll.
Marc:Do you know this?
Marc:That Jack Kerouac wrote on the road in one like scroll.
Marc:It's a scroll that you can, it tours and it was in the New York Public Library.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Marc:And you got to see it.
Marc:And kind of fascinating, but it's also like, man, what a weird time that was.
Marc:Like he must've been on some interesting drugs.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:So no edits.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Uh, so, uh, the, uh, the, the whole cult that, uh, his parents were, you know, not so much cult.
Marc:It was like a commune.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like free the box and free the, you know, pussy.
Marc:Like really, I love that.
Marc:He's like, well, that's not how my dad explained it to me.
Yeah.
Guest:It was a very cult-oriented week between him and Robbie Hoffman.
Guest:There were a lot of like, yeah, parents fuck their kids up through terrible cults all the time.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What were they in?
Marc:The Institute for Magical Studies?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Which sounds like a Harry Potter class.
Marc:Of course.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:his parents were in an open marriage with Winona Ryder's parents yeah which that's that's bonkers to me I I mean he was just like yeah I was wondering like if I got to talk to her I'd be able to ask her about that I'm like why haven't you like you have you have one of the great excuses to talk to Winona Ryder and reach out to her
Marc:Also, I loved Mark's take on the FX show being better than what Mo pitched.
Marc:I found that to be hilarious.
Marc:Like, yeah, no, that's not what it was, but I'm going to steal that for sure.
Yeah.
Marc:But also, I love that he was being told that he was stealing Marin's bit about about mornings.
Marc:And he's like, I don't I don't think one guy can own depressive mornings.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Although when he told him, Mark was like, yeah, I basically did that bit.
Marc:Yes, yes.
Marc:He was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:I remember that.
Marc:And I loved his Robin Williams story, that Robin Williams took the backpack joke of his.
Guest:Yeah, it was very, and Mark said the same thing.
Guest:He's like, and you saw, that's how it happened.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:that's it can i just say that's just like him being in the presence of like an advanced mind or like an alien yeah like yeah yeah like he he can take the seed of a joke and build a tree out of it in seconds unfortunately it comes at your expense sometimes yes unfortunately but like i mean that's just uh that's just that guy that genius of that guy
Guest:You know, also Mo talks about this idea of like, you know, he doesn't want to get too successful because it'll blow his gig as like almost a stay at home dad.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yes, man.
Guest:The first thing I thought about was when, when back when we were doing break room live, like sometimes like I would be there at night working on something and, uh,
Guest:Sam Seder, you know, who did that with us one night, he was working too.
Guest:He was working late.
Guest:And I think John Benjamin came in to work with him.
Guest:They were writing a script together.
Guest:And I was like, oh, what are you guys writing?
Guest:And, you know, so this is like 15, 16 years ago, obviously didn't get made, but it was something about basically about like a guy who,
Guest:aspiring to become a kept man so that he could just like, his wife could earn all the money and he could stay at home.
Guest:And he was telling me about this story.
Guest:You know, he's telling me the plot of it and whatnot.
Guest:And I'm like, Oh yeah, this sounds funny.
Guest:Is it like, is it based on something?
Guest:And he's like, yeah, me.
Guest:He's like, this is what I want.
Marc:That's great.
Yeah.
Marc:He's literally like trying to will it into like happening.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:Yes, totally.
Marc:How often do people write to you asking about the AI email about come to Mark Barron's podcast?
Guest:Oh, like how many times have we found out it happened?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:I would say half a dozen at this point.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But, I mean, I'm sure there's many more.
Guest:We've had it happen to us.
Guest:Like, we get an email inviting Mark to be on some show.
Guest:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:It's bullshit.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Crazy times.
Marc:Crazy, crazy times.
Marc:Then we had a Making Movies episode, which I found delightful because you got to replay this Nick Cave story about him writing Gladiator 2.
Marc:And it's...
Marc:As fantastic as I remember.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's a Mark being like, yeah, you know, who else but Nick Cave should write Gladiator 2?
Guest:I love that part where he gets to the climax of the film and everything and, you know, explains it and Mark's like, wow.
Guest:And he's like, yeah, it was basically a stone cold masterpiece.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That story, I mean, I said it in the intro.
Guest:That's the entire reason I wanted to put together an episode of just people telling their movie stories.
Guest:And it's so funny because that one is like three minutes long.
Guest:Like the others are all like 20 minute long stories.
Guest:And that one is just like, I did this.
Guest:Russell Crowe said, don't like it, mate.
Guest:And that's the end of it.
Guest:Until now, you know, 20 years later, we have the actual Gladiator 2.
Guest:But I was just like...
Guest:You know, I'm a little hamstrung with some of this bonus stuff lately because Mark's not available.
Guest:Like, so I can't do recordings with him.
Guest:He can't record things other than, you know, the show intro.
Guest:Yesterday's show intro he did, you know, in his trailer.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So he's just like when he was on lunch.
Guest:So he's just, you know, really time crunched right now.
Guest:So I'm just thinking a way.
Guest:What can we do?
Guest:And I always thought at some point.
Guest:I can start doing, you know, in the, in the kind of same principle as our book, you know, waiting for the punch, just start arranging episodes that are thematic.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And that's, you know, just what this is.
Guest:It's a collection that nobody's going to go back and like make for themselves.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like you're not going to sit there by yourself and be like, you know what I'd like to do today.
Guest:I'd like to listen to all these stories about how people made movies and
Guest:uh, that are very famous.
Guest:And, you know, they talk to Mark about them.
Guest:Like that would be a pain in the ass to have to like, essentially make that playlist for yourself.
Guest:So, so I just figured it for us.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:I could go ahead and do that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I, I love the idea of Michael Keaton, just getting a baker's rack full of clothing, like for Beetlejuice.
Guest:Guide to what?
Yeah.
Guest:just so bizarre i'm not kidding those are four of my favorite stories in the history of the show like the the nick cave michael keaton mike myers and um mel brooks like i i just that was why that was just evident for me to put that together i'm like these are my these are four of my absolute favorite stories
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The Mike Myers one.
Marc:First of all, it sounds like they were talking in the dining room in Batman with Vicki Vale and Bruce Wade.
Guest:The thing that he just talked about, Michael Keaton, where he's like, I don't think I've ever been in this room before.
Marc:It just sounds so echoey.
Marc:And I also love that Michael Myers' impression of Lauren is literally Dr. Evil.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, that was where it came from, right?
Guest:Like he just did Lauren.
Guest:That was Dr. Evil.
Yeah.
Guest:Amazing.
Guest:The Maginot line was successful.
Marc:Also, I personally loved So I Married an Axe Murderer when I was a kid.
Guest:Me too.
Marc:I saw it more than Wayne's World.
Guest:Oh yeah, me too.
Marc:I loved that movie.
Marc:Oh my God, I thought I was the only person alive that loved that movie.
Guest:I think, by the way, that's not a thing that you just like when you're a kid.
Guest:I think it's still good.
Guest:Is it?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I talk to people all the time who like that movie and it still holds up.
Marc:Oh, good.
Marc:Good.
Marc:That's that's fantastic to know.
Marc:Richard Pryor was almost in Blazing Saddles.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Well, yeah, he's the writer on, you know, in the credits like you.
Guest:There's six credited names, but he's one of them.
Marc:Yeah, and fascinating that putting on the Ritz was not Mel Brooks' idea.
Marc:Like, I'm right there with Mark.
Marc:I'm like, I would have bet money that that was you.
Guest:Also, how much of a success do you have to be?
Guest:Like, how great must your life have been and all your achievements if you have a light enough ego to...
Guest:to admit that one of the most beloved things in your career is not yours and give the proper credit to the person who did it like that always stood out to me about that episode that it's like this guy like mel brooks mar
Guest:Mark said this in the intro of the actual episode.
Guest:Like if you go back and listen to it, he's like, Mel Brooks won at life.
Guest:Like this guy is like the winner of everything.
Guest:And like, it's on display there that he's just like, oh yeah, that wasn't my idea.
Guest:Oh, this thing that everybody loves and might be the most famous, people's favorite thing that you've ever done.
Guest:He's like, yeah, that's Gene Wilder.
Marc:Crazy.
Marc:Just crazy.
Marc:Which brings us to Robbie Hoffman.
Marc:This is one of those episodes where I, well, first of all, I absolutely would have listened to the intro because I definitely needed to hear Mark's voice regarding what happened this week.
Marc:But Robbie Hoffman, I've never heard of her before, and I'm a huge fan.
Marc:She is super fun and funny and loved her Egg McMuffin story.
Marc:That's iconic that she broke being kosher on an Egg McMuffin because of Big Daddy, the movie.
Marc:Just great stuff.
Guest:And yet another person who was listening to old episodes of WTF and grounded herself in them.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I should let people know, though, that this was actually, I had said a couple weeks ago when we were setting our schedule, I talked to Mark about that there was going to be an episode airing after the election.
Guest:We need to set our schedule in place.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, and also I knew that, you know, he's going to be in on a set shooting.
Guest:So it's not like regard, you know, whatever happened in the election, we're not going to do like a spontaneous guest about it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So we need to set it in place and we need to choose something that's kind of like makes sense regardless of what happens in the election.
Guest:And I read to him the list of like names that we had.
Guest:I was like, what, your opinion, who should be on that day?
Guest:And he said, uh,
Guest:robbie hoffman because he was like that's the closest to like what the show is like it's you know where we started where we what we've come to like if you tune into this show you should just expect to hear two people who might have you know nothing in common on the surface but they talk to each other and they find common ground and they enjoy each other and connect as humans and he's like you know
Guest:That's either just going to be a fun time to hear or it's going to be a useful thing for people to hear, depending on what happens with the election.
Guest:And I think it definitely played out that way.
Marc:Yeah, I think so as well.
Marc:Her whole vibe was great.
Marc:Like, I love people that come in hot, like she was saying.
Marc:Her whole dad's car thing, where her dad liked these old cars.
Marc:My dad also liked old cars.
Marc:Did I ever tell you about my old dad and his...
Marc:his old like Cadillac and what happened to it.
Marc:Oh, dude, my dad.
Marc:And like, this is like 30 years.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So it's like, it's fine.
Marc:But like my dad bought like this 64 caddy.
Marc:He got like historic plates on it.
Marc:He would take it to like these stupid, you know, old time car shows.
Marc:And one day,
Marc:We get a phone call like, hey, your dad's in the hospital.
Marc:He got burned.
Marc:And so he has like burns all over his body.
Marc:Like, oh, my God.
Marc:So we get to the hospital.
Marc:And first of all, this is a guy who has always had a mustache.
Marc:And his mustache was like, you know, it's like gone.
Marc:So we're like, who are you?
Marc:You're my dad?
Marc:Question mark.
Marc:And like, I'm like 13.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And, uh, and he's like, yeah, yeah.
Marc:You know, the, I, I, I put the grill on at, at my, at the credit union and it exploded in my face.
Marc:And, uh, yeah, I got, got all these burns.
Marc:I was like, oh my God.
Marc:Like, oh, you know, I hope you're okay.
Marc:You know, you know, tending to my dad and, uh,
Marc:And then he's like, yeah, in an unrelated story, my the Cadillac got stolen and and someone set it on fire.
Marc:And like, I'm 13 years old and even I'm no conclave.
Marc:I'm just like, wait a second.
Marc:this doesn't track so someone who knows burned my dad's car and my dad luckily had it fully insured and it had uh you know what's it called the historic plates on it so he got his money back from it oh man crazy so wait what what is your actual suspicion what happened he torched it
Marc:I mean, yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Right?
Marc:Like, he has all these burns on him.
Marc:He probably, like, lit a match or whatever and, you know, blew himself up.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But do you think he just didn't want the car anymore and he wanted the insurance money?
Marc:Who knows?
Marc:I can't put myself in my dad's thought process.
Marc:He maybe wanted the money.
Marc:I think he wound up buying two additional cars with that money.
Marc:So I'm guessing he just did it for the insurance money.
Marc:Whatever scams people do to get through the day.
Marc:God, I can't believe I have that...
Guest:part of like there's some dna of that in me but that i'm always like i've never ever seen you do anything like that though so like where like your your entire life like you are like um you're like jeff goldblum and the truck in jurassic park going must go faster must go faster as the t-rex rides behind you trying to eat you like that's your life yeah
Marc:Yeah, but I know it's in there.
Marc:It's like a seedling of that guy.
Guest:Outrace it, dude.
Guest:No wonder you fly all over the world.
Guest:It can't find me in India.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Just run away.
Guest:Just go faster.
Guest:Go faster.
Guest:Well, you know, hey, speaking of your travels, I wanted to bring this up.
Guest:It's a little coda for the show today.
Guest:And maybe it's helpful to people.
Guest:Maybe people can help us.
Guest:Because I was thinking like, you know, in terms of trying to think about what to do on this episode, are we going to wind up talking about the election?
Guest:And I don't want to talk about the election.
Guest:Frankly, I don't want to talk about politics.
Guest:Frankly, as I already said, I don't think I trust myself or frankly, anyone else to talk about politics.
Guest:And so I do realize that kind of like,
Guest:I need to turn my attention elsewhere.
Guest:Like, especially in the now, right?
Guest:Like, there's nothing anybody can fucking do.
Guest:You're not going to go, like, you know, overturn an election tomorrow.
Guest:Like, you know, we don't storm the Capitol, right?
Guest:We don't do that here.
Guest:Yes, right.
Guest:So I was thinking, like, what can I use to fill in my time?
Guest:And I realized, like...
Guest:I don't have a ton of hobbies.
Guest:Like my hobbies are a lot, like my time is filled with a lot of work.
Guest:I mean, movie watching, obviously, like we talk about movies a lot.
Guest:I spend a lot of time with my, I spend all the time I possibly can with my family, like doing stuff together in terms of stuff.
Guest:Like I could like take on my own.
Guest:Uh, I guess I do puzzles, right?
Guest:Crossword puzzles, especially brain teasers, uh,
Guest:Um, I, I'm, I make cocktails, but I don't do that as much.
Guest:Cause it's like not healthy.
Guest:And which is really why I don't have cooking as a hobby.
Guest:Like I don't eat a lot of varied foods or rich foods or fatty foods.
Guest:So like, I just feel kind of limited in,
Guest:In my hobbies.
Guest:I mean, there's baseball.
Guest:That's over right now.
Guest:And I don't really watch other sports.
Guest:There's wrestling.
Guest:We've talked about that on this show.
Guest:So I don't know.
Guest:Do you have thoughts on this?
Guest:Like, can you help me out?
Guest:Maybe our listeners can too.
Guest:And then we can, you know, talk about this at length of like, if you want to send us in,
Guest:actual hobbies that you do uh things that you you know kind of uh put your wrap your identity around or or it could just be very casual just something you do for time wasting right or or leisure time uh send it in to us we got that link in the episode description but what what about you do you have actual hobbies
Marc:Yeah, I have some hobbies.
Marc:I think I need more hobbies, so I'd love to get some more hobbies from our listeners.
Marc:But I do a lot of walking.
Marc:I like to go on a nice five-mile hike.
Marc:You could do a loop in Prospect Park, probably.
Marc:And, like, it's 80 degrees in November, which doesn't seem like it's going away anytime soon.
Marc:But during those, you know, walks, I like listening to, like, audiobooks.
Marc:Like, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood has a great audiobook.
Guest:Yeah, it sure does.
Marc:With Jennifer Jason Leigh.
Marc:And it's amazing.
Marc:If you have never listened to it, or even if you have listened to it, listen to it again.
Marc:You can just escape into this fictional world.
Marc:It is fantastic.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So yeah, audiobooks, I like those.
Marc:Actually, a listener got in touch with me, and a listener named Zach Winston, and he told me about this podcast that he created called Welcome to the Big Times.
Marc:And it's a serial podcast story, like Orson Welles-
Guest:Oh, that kind of cereal.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's like an Orson Welles, like old time, like big production thing.
Marc:And it's great.
Marc:It's about a fictional wrestling promotion back in the day and a kid who made it to the big time wrestling company.
Marc:Really fun stuff.
Marc:So highly recommend that.
Guest:Oh, that's cool.
Yeah.
Guest:yeah yeah so like that's fun i know i see a lot of people people listening to this one of their hobbies i'm sure is listening to podcasts yeah and i'm i'm i'm limited with what i can do that right why because i'm like the chef who doesn't like eating at restaurants you know it's like you know you just can't enjoy it the way that uh civilians do
Marc:Well, you listen to the best show.
Marc:Like, that's a good one.
Guest:Yeah, but that's different because it predates me being a podcast producer.
Guest:It was a radio show, right?
Guest:And I think that in general, like, the things that I do listen to now are all tied to my other hobbies, right?
Guest:Like, I listen to things and people talk about movies.
Guest:Not a lot of them, frankly.
Guest:I'm very selective in that.
Guest:I'm very selective in baseball or sports podcasts.
Guest:So it's got to be kind of connected to what I'm interested in, not like I listen to podcasts for their own sake.
Guest:Yeah, I gotcha.
Marc:I personally love to cook.
Marc:I have the time to cook on a nightly basis.
Marc:And I got a great new cookbook from this Justine Dorian.
Marc:And she actually has a recipe in her cookbook that has our buddy Dan Pashman's Cascatelli.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Where is she from?
Guest:Is she like a Bon Appetit person or something?
Marc:I don't know that.
Marc:She just is like a Instagram famous person.
Guest:Gotcha.
Marc:That makes sense.
Marc:It's just started doing stuff and it's very reminiscent of like an Alison Roman type of person, but she's great.
Marc:And it's mostly like pescatarian food, which is totally great for my household.
Marc:And it's,
Marc:you know, healthy-ish.
Marc:And so, yeah, really enjoy that.
Marc:And I just love going to the movies, man.
Marc:I mean, I'm going to try to see juror number two before it leaves the world for some reason.
Guest:Weird reason that a Clint Eastwood movie is not allowed to be in theaters for more than a week.
Marc:What is up with Warner Brothers?
Marc:Are they like, did someone drop them on their head?
Guest:I always wonder if it's like a producer's scenario where they're like deliberately trying to go bust.
Marc:Totally, right?
Marc:Like, man, I don't get it.
Marc:But yeah, I'm going to go to the movies a whole bunch and just escape to a fantasy world where this whole thing isn't exactly.
Guest:A conclave, so to speak.
Yeah.
Marc:Yes, a conclave.
Guest:You know, it literally just means room you can't get out of.
Guest:That's what conclave means in Latin.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Marc:We're in our own, a conclave of our own making.
Guest:Yes, exactly.
Guest:And we cannot vote it away, apparently.
Marc:I might see Conclave again, dude.
Marc:Oh my God.
Guest:It's too, it's too bad.
Guest:It didn't happen before Halloween.
Guest:Cause, cause Conclave Halloween costumes would have been great.
Guest:Like a group costume.
Guest:Everybody could be, you could be Conclave.
Guest:And then somebody else could be like Conclave's little assistant who runs around, shows up out of nowhere.
Guest:I thought they were all supposed to be sequestered, but no, this guy could just pop in and out when he wants.
Marc:There's so much like, Oh, Hey, I got a briefing for you.
Marc:I'm in,
Marc:Conclave.
Marc:There's so much time where you're not like, I almost feel like they were, he was basically doom scrolling, but with the back of the pieces of paper.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I was in more sequestered situation watching Conclave than he was in, in Conclave.
Guest:All right.
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