BONUS The Friday Show - Parental Guidance Is Suggested
Guest:What did you think about that guy, that detective?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I said he seemed like a nice guy, but the actor wasn't a nice guy.
Guest:Yeah, who was the actor?
Guest:It's O.J.
Guest:Simpson.
Guest:Yeah, he turned out to not be that nice a guy.
Guest:Hey, Chris.
Guest:Hello, Brendan.
Guest:I hope you've got room in your life for some new hobbies.
Guest:Oh, do we have submissions for new hobbies?
Guest:We've got a lot of suggestions, yes.
Guest:I'm in.
Guest:These seem good.
Guest:I mean, like, hey, you might not be able to take up all of them right now, but thank you to all the listeners who sent in your ideas for hobbies.
Guest:I will get to those in a second, but I did want to point out something that I was having an issue with, with a current hobby.
Guest:like there's some allowance within hobbies that you should be, you know, you're going to have some annoyance with them.
Guest:Like, yes, you're supposed to do them for, for leisure, for enjoyment, but like, you know, especially if you're learning to do something, there's going to be some frustrations or like, Oh, sure.
Marc:I'm like that with my trivia hobby.
Marc:I suck at trivia.
Marc:I do it though.
Marc:I'm in a, yeah, right.
Guest:It's like, it's same with if you're following sports, right?
Guest:Like you could have a team that just
Guest:sucks but like yeah you're in now you have to do it so like that's understandable but the the man the thing i can't abide by is like the sneak attacks of like trying to enjoy a hobby and then just being like sucker punched and i will tell you where it happens regularly for me where
Guest:I do a crossword puzzle almost every day.
Guest:I try to do one every day.
Guest:New York Times?
Guest:Mostly the Times.
Guest:I have a page a day calendar of the New York Times.
Guest:So every day is the appropriate day's crossword, right?
Guest:Because Monday is the easiest, Saturday is the hardest, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So, you know, it goes like that.
Guest:Sunday's its own separate thing in the New York Times.
Guest:But so I tend to try to do a New York Times crossword every day.
Guest:The Mondays and Tuesdays are too easy for me.
Guest:So sometimes I don't even do them.
Guest:What a fucking brag.
Guest:Oh, it's like I can't even be bothered with the Monday or Tuesday ones.
Guest:It's such a waste of my time.
Guest:So I grab a harder book.
Guest:I have books around the house.
Marc:You're like Matt Damon and Good Will Hunting.
Marc:I'm struggling through my Monday crossword.
Marc:You're like, you know how fucking easy this is?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:So anyway...
Guest:You know, crosswords, I think, are a good way to keep my mind limber.
Guest:And I just feel like generally active and engaged, even though it's a passive thing.
Guest:You're sitting around, you're drinking a coffee, you're doing it.
Guest:It's a good thing.
Guest:I like it as a hobby.
Guest:But man, sometimes there is a clue.
Guest:And the answer in that clue is so fucking contrived that I want to throttle the person who made it.
Guest:And I'll give you a great example because it came up today.
Guest:So I'm doing a crossword and it says prize fight ending.
Guest:That's the clue.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Knockout.
Marc:I'm guessing.
Guest:Well, okay.
Guest:Sure.
Marc:TKO.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:Keep them coming.
Marc:Keep them coming.
Guest:You're right there.
Guest:You could ace this Thursday crossword, right?
Guest:You think.
Guest:I look at the thing.
Guest:It's four fucking letters.
Guest:TKO.
Guest:That's three.
Guest:TKOs?
Guest:Maybe KO'd.
Guest:Because the prize fight ending was in the past.
Guest:You could say KO'd.
Guest:Nothing's working.
Guest:I'm trying to figure out these goddamn combinations of the things going across.
Guest:Finally figured out because of some other clue because now all of a sudden there's a Y in there.
Guest:K blank, Y blank.
Guest:What?
Guest:So the answer was K-A-Y-O.
Guest:Like phonetically K-O.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:And I literally went, fuck you.
Guest:Just right at the crossword in front of me.
Guest:Fuck you.
Guest:Just so angry at it.
Guest:And then like two things later, and this one at least I knew because this has happened before, but it was like the clue was something like turning around or turn around.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And there were three letters and it was U-E-Y, like make a U-E, right?
Guest:Oh, get the fuck out of here.
Guest:And when that happens, then now I'm like, this happened twice.
Guest:Oh, a real asshole's doing this one.
Guest:And then their name is on the thing.
Guest:So I start, I'm like, who the fuck is Matt Fuchs or Matt Fucks?
Guest:That's what I'm going to call this guy because he fucked with my morning, Matt Fucks.
Guest:Oh God, I was so angry.
Guest:And it's like,
Guest:Wait a minute.
Guest:Hang on.
Guest:This is not supposed to make me be... Right.
Marc:You're going falling down on this guy.
Marc:You're going to find him.
Guest:I just put on my short sleeve shirt and tie and I'm ready to go.
Guest:I'm going to walk around with a briefcase, find all the crossword puzzle writers.
Guest:You're going to fuck him up.
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:Anyway, listen, if you're out there, if you write crossword puzzles, do not do that.
Guest:Go find any other word.
Guest:make make it make it make sense some different way you i swear to god when i see that there are lots like that uh well hopefully none of these suggestions that came in from our listeners will make us frustrated if we decide to take them up uh amy said ballroom dancing lessons your wives will love you for it and you could get lucky uh that's great all right fine with that
Marc:I mean, you are talking to someone who did win a dance contest already, so I might as well start ballroom dancing.
Marc:Sure.
Guest:Go for it.
Guest:Colette says, I'm learning the ukulele.
Guest:George Harrison loved it and used to give them away.
Guest:He said, no one can play the ukulele and not laugh.
Guest:That's kind of true.
Guest:I think it's fun.
Guest:I'm going to go on to mandolin then.
Guest:Also, my puppy and I are learning Spanish together.
Guest:That could be helpful if we need to move to Spain in the coming months.
Marc:Wait, her puppy is learning Spanish?
Marc:That's what it says right there.
Marc:Like sit in Spanish, I'm guessing, like that sort of thing?
Guest:I'm guessing that's what it is, yeah.
Marc:I mean, I will say I do do Duolingo.
Guest:And what do you do it?
Guest:What do you do for it?
Marc:I'm doing Italian and Spanish.
Marc:How's it coming for you?
Marc:140-day streak so far, so...
Guest:Yeah, but what does that mean?
Guest:Do you have any fluency in it whatsoever?
Guest:Because that's what I always wonder about the people who do the Duolingo.
Guest:They're like, oh, I've been doing this, killing this Duolingo.
Guest:And then I'm like, yeah, say something to me.
Guest:And they're like, bloop, bloop, bloop.
Marc:That's basically it.
Marc:Like, my wife and I are doing it.
Marc:And I'm like, when does it turn?
Marc:And we can start talking and conversing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I'm just like, yeah, that's the word that was just sent to me and I'm pressing a button and I'm not retaining anything.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:KO.
Marc:Yeah, you got it.
Marc:There you go.
Marc:Yeah, so I haven't gotten there yet, but maybe in the next 140 days I'll be able to say one sentence in Spanish or Italian.
Guest:My wife Dawn plays the ukulele, so that is a family thing I could get into.
Guest:It's one of those things where without thinking about it, I'm like, oh, I don't have the time to do that.
Guest:And now I'm definitely thinking I have the time to do that.
Guest:So maybe we'll sit around and play ukuleles like a weird Wes Anderson family or something.
Yeah.
Guest:Well, Owen plays the piano.
Guest:You guys got like a traveling family.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Connor said, I've recently gotten back into building Lego sets.
Guest:As a kid, I'm now 34.
Guest:I used to build Lego sets all the time, only if my grades allowed for it.
Guest:As an adult, not only has it become a hobby, it's now teetering on the verge of an addiction.
Guest:Granted, I specifically go after Batman sets, but it still doesn't stop me from purchasing Star Wars, random sports cars, and all things Marvel.
Guest:I find it an excellent reprieve from the bullshit that is currently happening as a society, all the while listening to this podcast.
Guest:And look, I have been tempted by this one, especially because I have a kid and
Guest:And you start getting them Lego sets.
Guest:And so then you start building them for them.
Guest:And you're like, oh, I could do this.
Guest:Do you know what stopped me dead cold in my tracks?
Guest:What?
Guest:The Lego movie.
Marc:Why?
Guest:Which it's a great movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And you watch it a lot with your kids.
Guest:But do you remember the whole thing?
Guest:Like who the bad guy is?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:The dad.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's the dad because he's like not letting the kid touch the Lego set.
Guest:And like, he's like, this is, this is not a toy.
Guest:This is an interlocking brick system.
Guest:And I was like, Oh, that hits a little too close to home.
Guest:Like I gotta lay off the Legos.
Guest:But maybe now because my son is older and I don't have to worry about, like, horning in on his, you know, toys.
Guest:There's really no difference, I don't think.
Guest:This was kind of how I was justifying it back when I was doing this.
Guest:There's no difference than a puzzle.
Guest:It's just a 3D puzzle.
Guest:That's it.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:I mean, look, Legos nowadays, and when I guess Owen was younger, they changed because when I was a kid, it was just a big box of Legos and there was nothing to build.
Marc:I'm not building like the Millennium Falcon or anything or an X-Wing.
Marc:That's right, but no, wait, hang on.
Guest:There were always things to build.
Guest:Like I remember when I was...
Guest:so small five six years old we got a lego castle like it was you built the castle so you had like a map you had like a manual but i think the difference is now they're licensing things like that's the change right so like back in the day it was like build lego airport or like fucking that lego movie they make a big deal out of it and it was totally true that spaceships
Guest:That was like the big Lego bestseller.
Guest:It's like, and I had definitely had, I don't know that I had a spaceship.
Guest:I remember having a moon base or something because I remember the gray flat bottom was like, you know, it's like, you know, the thing you would build the whole set on.
Guest:It had like a little moon crater on it.
Guest:I always thought that was super cool.
Guest:But like, that was the thing.
Guest:They were, they were, there were sets, but they were like generic, right?
Guest:You know, city, castle, castle.
Guest:right space right now it's gotham city and everything and like literally everything has a lego set you could get you could build the friends coffee shop you can build seinfeld's house you know it's like there's there's so yeah totally so and they're obviously targeting adults with this stuff too
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I can't see myself buying a Lego set and doing it myself without kids and everything.
Guest:Well, here's the other problem.
Guest:Because if you remember that Lego movie, the whole thing was like the whole basement had been turned into the dad's Lego.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And.
Guest:That is a problem we have with my son where it's like, dude, you got to bust down some of these Lego kits.
Guest:Like we've got too many things taken up to space.
Guest:Like you're either getting no more new Lego kits or you got to, you know, bust some of these up.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And that's hard.
Guest:It's hard to convince somebody.
Guest:Like you do a jigsaw puzzle.
Guest:it's it's like you look at it for a few days like we've we do that we have a puzzle table you put it out it's like oh great that's done and then you break it up and you give the puzzle away to somebody right like there's no it's done it's over when i'm done with my crosswords i crumple it up and throw it away like i don't you don't need to save it but the lego is a toy and it it also costs like a hundred dollars a kit so it's like
Guest:That's like the average.
Marc:Like some of these are crazy.
Marc:I think that's the thing that gives me pause.
Marc:I'm like, oh boy, that's an expensive hobby.
Marc:Like for one thing, that is like, that's too much money for me.
Guest:Although, dude, we're getting into middle age.
Guest:It's that time.
Guest:Go for the expensive hobbies.
Marc:I guess so.
Guest:As Mark always said, hey, I can't wrap that around the tree.
Guest:I won't fuck it and have it get me in trouble.
Guest:The money really doesn't matter.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:That's true.
Marc:That's true.
Marc:One of the hobbies I like is expensive coffee.
Marc:So I guess that's, it's like in Pulp Fiction, like I buy the expensive stuff because I want to taste it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So that's basically me right now.
Marc:So that's my hobby.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, Scott, a retired professor of literature and film.
Guest:Scott, I hope you've enjoyed our film conversations.
Guest:You're making me a little self-conscious now.
Marc:Yeah, seriously.
Guest:But he says, a great hobby for me, maybe for you, pencil portraits.
Guest:Pencil portraits.
Guest:go with Betty Edwards wonderful books drawing on the right side of the brain and drawing on the artist within and got serious after I retired and when COVID hit in 2020 there are plenty of great online tutorials and you will be amazed how much fun it is whether you think you can draw or not and you know what Scott I gotta say I've never given it much thought of doing it but you're totally right I remember being in Disneyland with a few years ago and there's a you know
Guest:section where you go and you watch an animator show you how they do stuff and then they have you try it with a pencil sketch and it was really easy to draw a mickey mouse when you followed the rules and like you know it's like you know here make this grid you know it's like here you're gonna draw a a t you know draw like a little bullseye make a circle around it and then you start keep adding circles and erasing lines and that yeah
Marc:sooner or later you got fucking mickey mouse there you're like holy shit how did i do that like i totally get why it's satisfying yeah i remember doing that with um with the number five and i would make uh homer simpson uh so yeah that's oh yeah like like you know it shows you like the actual like you you the belly is this and the top and also his head and like yeah you know the little squiggly lines so yeah that's
Guest:I remember there's a trick of that, that his hair and ear is an M and a G, which is Matt Groening.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:That's so interesting.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He deliberately did that.
Guest:Huh.
Guest:Awesome.
Guest:um all right very cool and now this one this is interesting might be a little too late in the year to start this but i i have seen this i did not realize it was becoming a growing thing uh but it's to me like if somebody had said wrote in and said pickleball i'd be like you know what too late
Guest:There's too much culty stuff around pickleball now.
Guest:I can't walk through my neighborhood park.
Guest:There's just pickleball nets everywhere.
Guest:What the hell's going on here?
Guest:Stay away from that.
Guest:But this sounds interesting from Joe.
Guest:He said, wanted to share a hobby I picked up almost two years ago.
Guest:I was walking my dogs at a park by my house in Cincinnati and saw some people playing disc golf.
Guest:Now, I know what you might be saying to yourself.
Guest:Disc golf is some stoner white bro shit that
Guest:guilty as charged it really is but the beauty part of disc golf is it's really fun to play yourself I had recently quit drinking I was exercising a lot more but I was also really bored I always looked forward to going to the bar a few weeks a night that was my hobby that was my community that
Guest:Disc golf gave me something to replace that with.
Guest:I dove headfirst into it almost immediately.
Guest:I had played a little in my late teens, early 20s, but was usually more interested in drinking Tallboys and getting high in the woods.
Guest:So I bought too many discs, started following the Pro Tour.
Guest:Yes, there is a Pro Tour.
Guest:And I started playing three to four times a week.
Guest:I sucked really bad, and I didn't care.
Guest:I've gotten better, but still suck, and I don't care.
Guest:Yeah, it has a stigma, but it's fun, and I don't care.
Guest:They recently opened the first course in New York City at Highland Park in Queens.
Guest:New York has always been considered a disc golf desert for obvious reasons.
Guest:It takes a lot of space and it's free, unlike regular golf, so there's no revenue generation.
Guest:It also doesn't have the upkeep costs or the environmental impact of regular golf.
Guest:So you can grab a few used discs for 30 bucks and just go play.
Guest:It's really no more than taking a walk through the park and stopping to throw a Frisbee every so often.
Guest:Watch a couple YouTube videos so you can get an idea of proper form and give it a try.
Guest:It's something to do while you take a walk and you might like it.
Guest:That's a, that's a great suggestion.
Guest:Cause I never would have thought of it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like I'm like, I had that same idea that he did.
Guest:Like this is a bunch of things that, you know, you got to get a hacky sack and gesture sticks to do.
Marc:But, uh, I'm actually surprised I need a special, uh, disc.
Marc:I thought you could just use a regular Frisbee.
Guest:I think you can, but I bet you there's ones that just like, I look, I have no idea, but I bet there's differences in Frisbees.
Guest:Like there's a difference between the one you get at the dollar store and an actual Frisbee meant for performance.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I'm going to check it out.
Marc:I'm going to see if there's like a disc golf course in Jersey.
Guest:Yeah, you walk all the time.
Marc:You go on like five mile walks every day.
Marc:I sure do.
Marc:And yeah, it sounds great, honestly.
Guest:Well, these are all very cool suggestions.
Guest:And anybody else has any further thoughts, please keep them coming because this is great.
Guest:This is a good, I think, exercise for all of us, not just me and Chris, but for all of us to think about ways we can better enjoy the time we have on this planet.
Guest:And one of the ways that we have all been doing that, obviously, as people here listening to this is by listening to WTF with Mark Maron.
Guest:And this week I thought was a very good week of some excellent guests.
Guest:What was your impressions?
Marc:My impression is one of the hobbies you could do is change up your your facial hair.
Marc:So how does how does Mark look with no beard and everything?
Guest:I mean, it is true that it's like, oh yeah, I guess I have seen you with no beard for a lot of time in my life.
Guest:Remember, he didn't have a beard when we worked with him in Air America.
Guest:It wasn't until after the fact, but it's like, you know what I think it is?
Guest:It's that illustration for the podcast.
Guest:It's like, that's just what you think his face is now forever, you know?
Guest:Right.
Guest:that's even like if you think about glow he only had a mustache in glow right he shaved the the goatee part off but i don't have that in my mind of him like i just have that he's always got that you know van dyke facial configuration you know yeah and and uh yeah so when you first see him like he came up on the zoom and he's got no hair i was like whoa oh my god who's that guy you know
Marc:Does he look a lot younger or it just looks, you know, just... I don't think he looks... I think it makes him look a little older, frankly.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:I wouldn't say that to him.
Guest:I'd just say it on here because I know he'll never listen to it.
Marc:You'll never hear that.
Guest:Yeah, I don't think it makes him look older in a bad way, but it's definitely like you see more lines in his face.
Marc:Yeah, I guess so.
Guest:You see that he's, you know, his age, right?
Guest:That I haven't seen in a while because it's been hidden with hair.
Marc:Yeah, that's true.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:And so he has to have that for like a couple of like weeks or months is what he was saying, right?
Guest:Yeah, they're going to start gluing fake beards to his face for other things that he's doing.
Marc:Can I just say he should have went reverse, like, you know, do the Henry Cavill thing.
Marc:Just have just hundreds of millions of dollars so that they can Photoshop it out, you know, his beard.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Like when they did that to Superman?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And it just looked like he had an ass on his chin?
Yeah.
Marc:I'm such a sucker for Superman.
Marc:When I saw that movie, I was like, I don't know, it looks pretty good to me.
Marc:So in the bag for it.
Marc:But Jessica Lange, she is just amazing.
Marc:I mean, like, I love that she's just like, why do you care about, like, do you really care about my backstory?
Guest:So honest to God, like that moment was one of those moments where I was like, this is why Mark's the best at this.
Marc:Yeah, because it could go one or two ways, right?
Marc:It could crash and burn or what Mark does.
Guest:Well, it's like what, you know, I think listening to that, if you just play that part back where he asks her questions, he goes, do you really want to know?
Guest:Do you think people really want to know this?
Guest:Hmm.
Guest:Hit pause and think about to yourself, what would I say when somebody says that to me?
Guest:Right.
Guest:There's a bunch of ways you could go.
Guest:You could say like, oh, no, of course, because, you know, people are interested in your life or whatever.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That's that's an obvious one.
Guest:Or you could go, oh, we don't have to talk about it.
Guest:That's fine.
Guest:We'll move on to something else.
Guest:You do whatever you can to get the guest comfortable.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Make sure you're not aggressive or whatever.
Right.
Guest:What Mark chose to do was say, yeah, no, I'm going to tell you why it's interesting to people.
Guest:It's because of society.
Guest:We don't pay attention anymore to artists who were working without a net.
Guest:We don't pay attention to the idea that this was a struggle for you.
Guest:There's no context anymore.
Guest:He all of a sudden depersonalized it.
Guest:He put her in a bigger context in those immediate moments.
Guest:And I think that made her trust him right away.
Guest:It's like, this is not just some asshole.
Guest:And you can hear from that moment through the entire rest of the conversation.
Guest:It's very relaxed.
Guest:She has no problem saying stuff to him that she might not say to somebody else.
Guest:She doesn't take offense when he asks her, were you in the darkness for most of your life?
Marc:And she's like, yeah, it was.
Marc:Right.
Marc:That was great.
Guest:It is this one moment where I was like, oh, put a circle around that and you can play that for anyone if they want to know like, what's so special about this show?
Guest:Everybody's got an interview show.
Guest:Everybody can do this.
Guest:Like, nope, this guy does it a very unique way.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:How often are you navigating the darkness?
Marc:Like, what a question, man.
Marc:Like, that actually had me staring into space for a minute.
Marc:Like, it was really great.
Guest:And that was one where he had hunted it down through the conversation.
Guest:Like, he's talking to her and he's like, this is, I know this lady deals with depression.
Guest:Like, not like through a...
Guest:Some type of cheat that he'd done.
Guest:He just got it like he could hear he you know, he's he's hearing a person who is a kindred spirit in many ways.
Guest:And he's like, I know what's going on here.
Marc:A fellow traveler.
Marc:Yeah, exactly.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:And, man, what a life to be 19 years old and miming in Paris and, like, modeling.
Marc:Like, what a time, man.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I also love what she said, like, oh, you know, in New York, you can just roll in and make something up and that's who you are.
Marc:It's, like, literally –
Marc:Mad Men.
Marc:It's like Don Draper.
Marc:Yeah, right, right.
Marc:It was a time.
Marc:And I just love that she's just like, yeah, New York now is kind of like every other city.
Marc:And it's true.
Marc:Amsterdam, just like every other city now, right?
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:It all smells like weed, and it's all like Disney store type of stuff.
Marc:There's no real sense of magic or luster.
Guest:You've got to find it.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Also, I love that she's like, why are all these people coming to New York City?
Marc:You know, that's such a New York local thing to say.
Marc:Like, I remember when I have friends coming in, I'm like, I don't know.
Marc:You guys want to go to the bagel store I go to?
Marc:It's a good bagel.
Guest:Like, I don't know.
Guest:Don't you have the Empire State Building here?
Marc:Right.
Marc:But I'm like, no, you don't want to go there.
Marc:There's so many people there.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They're like, that's the point.
Guest:That's why I want to be there.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I remember when I was a kid, we moved in my high school years to about three hours north of the city.
Guest:I lived upstate where my parents currently live.
Guest:And I remember there was a kid who came from France, like a foreign exchange student.
Guest:And he could not understand why, because we were only three hours away from New York City.
Guest:Why were we not there every weekend?
Guest:Like he was like, you do not go to New York?
Guest:Like, why?
Marc:That's great.
Marc:You could not comprehend that.
Guest:I was like, I remember saying to him, I was like, I think there are kids in this school who have never been there, period.
Guest:Like, I think that they're like, it's as foreign to them as it is to you from Paris, you know?
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Yeah, I mean, I have cousins who, they never go to New York City.
Marc:I'm just like, guys, it's like an hour away.
Marc:Like, you can take the train there.
Marc:But yeah, yeah, it's a thing.
Marc:And then you got Josh Brolin on again.
Marc:But before we even get to Josh, who is just a joy, this vacuum drama is like an only mark.
Marc:This could only happen to Mark.
Guest:It was so funny because I was like, as it's starting, I'm like, oh, this is going in the producer cuts bin.
Guest:There's no way this is staying in the show.
Guest:And then it kept going and I'm like, oh, this is great.
Guest:Because it just...
Guest:Like, look, I know him, and I know when he's on to himself with this stuff.
Guest:Like, I know when there's a time where he's just ranting, but then I also know when there's times where he's deliberately playing up the crazy guy thing.
Guest:Like, there's this little secret to that.
Guest:Like, you can spot when he starts deliberately repeating things over, you know, that he's like, so now I have three vacuums, and now I have three vacuums, now I have four vacuums, and that, like...
Guest:he's doing a bit like I can, I can tell he's creating a bit in his head.
Guest:And part of the bit is that he has to be the crazy guy.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And I remember he used to do it on air America.
Guest:And like the, the one thing I remember very specifically was we did a thing where we were calling around, uh, these, um,
Guest:Local law enforcement offices wherever there was a chapter of this group in their state that was like a one of these like right wing judges groups like they were trying to get right wing judges on the bench and they were lobbying and he was like basically playing the role of like a conspiracy theorist.
Guest:that would call these places up and tell them all these things that sounded crazy, but it was the absolute truth of like what was going on.
Guest:Like that they're looking to, you know, install these people in the government and they're, you know, all these things that you would, that you expect out of like info wars or something.
Guest:But it was like, if you just listened to what he was saying, it's what like the actual mandate of this, like justice advocacy group was right.
Guest:Justice under God or something like that.
Guest:And,
Guest:And I remember we were doing it and I was like, you know, we hung up after a few that were really funny and I was recording them with him and I was like, oh yeah, you really got the character down on that.
Guest:And he's like, oh yeah, I can do Crazy Guy, no problem.
Guest:Crazy Guy's easy.
Marc:That's great.
Marc:Also, I love that he's like, oh, you know, I have to go to the Dyson repair shop and I ask for a warranty.
Marc:I wouldn't yell.
Marc:And at that point I was like, that's a big fucking lie.
Marc:I know you're going to yell.
Marc:That's just your default setting.
Marc:Come on.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, he's even said it about like being on the film set that like the director said to him, he has aggressive agreement.
Marc:That was just great.
Marc:And also I know that tone so well.
Guest:Oh, he's probably said it to you a million times.
Marc:Fine.
Marc:Fine.
Marc:I'll be on Mike.
Yeah.
Marc:But I also love that he has a vacuum on the porch next to some walnuts that squirrels won't eat.
Marc:It's a really nice picture.
Guest:It's a whole little thing out there.
Marc:Yeah, exactly.
Marc:Norman Rockwell.
Marc:Yes, it is.
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:So this Zin stuff with Josh Brolin, like, I love that he was describing to you on the bonus episode, but also to Josh, that he's just describing the Spider-Man meme.
Marc:Like, they're just two guys doing the same exact thing with their Zins.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:This thing that makes you shit your brains out and sweat.
Marc:Like, man, I guess there's some addiction stuff that I just will never understand.
Marc:But if something made me shit my brains out, I think I would stop it right now.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:That's the thing.
Guest:You're okay.
Guest:You don't have this problem.
Guest:That should be the biggest giant sign about that.
Marc:Oh man.
Marc:And like him, Josh talking about like this, this, you know, whatever, you know, high, high dosage one.
Marc:Like it just sounds like hell on earth.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:They need it though.
Marc:Um, but they, they get along like gangbusters.
Guest:Oh man.
Guest:That's the ideal episode.
Guest:It's like, I wish like, you know, you do hundreds and hundreds of these things and it's like, oh, if only they could all be this.
Guest:Like, yeah.
Guest:I mean, this is like with Tom Sharpling, right?
Guest:You're like, oh, these two guys, they can just talk fluidly and enjoyably.
Guest:Let's just have them record several episodes together, right?
Guest:And I said that to Mark when this was done.
Guest:I was like, it's too bad he's not actually your friend and he's not a guy who lives nearby because you guys could totally just do a regular podcast.
Guest:It would be absolutely fine to have the Mark and Josh show.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Also when he's like reading from his book, it's like, he's on a whole, he like switches like a light switch and he's on like a whole different level.
Marc:Like all of a sudden, like he is like an actual actor.
Guest:Oh, well I went and watched that part of Sicario that he, that Mark mentioned that, you know, where he was searching for the line.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And he got it and it's like, yeah, you would never fucking know because it literally just looks like he's acting.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like he's like really deep in thought.
Guest:And then he's like delivering, you know, this speech to her essentially.
Guest:And it's like when you think about like, oh, he's trying to find the line in his head before he does that.
Guest:It's like, I guess we all do that to some degree.
Guest:Right.
Guest:In real life.
Guest:You know, like, you know, you have to like gear up, bear, bear down on something, you know?
Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Also nice to know that even he gets like, oh, no one wants me.
Marc:They should have gotten Ethan Hawke for this 9003 movie.
Marc:It's so kind of comforting to know that that guy still feels the same thing that I feel.
Marc:Absolutely.
Marc:It's really relatable.
Guest:Yeah, especially as a guy who's such an alpha character.
Marc:Yes, that's that's the other thing.
Marc:He I mean, he's Thanos, right?
Marc:Yeah, he is like the most alpha guy out there.
Guest:Oh, well, I don't know.
Guest:I went back and listened to that.
Guest:The episode they did like six years ago, just before Mark talked to him so I could give him some notes.
Guest:And I don't know if you remember, he tells this story about being an American gangster and with Denzel.
Guest:And it's so terrifying.
Guest:He says that he came on set or something and just very casually touched Denzel on the shoulder, patted his back or something.
Guest:And Denzel looked at him dead serious and was like, don't ever fucking touch me again.
Guest:And he said he just started grinning.
Guest:And it wasn't grinning like...
Guest:like aha you're joking that in his mind he was like oh shit am i gonna throw down with denzel washington right now he's like because i'll fucking do it like that's the kind of guy i am like like we'll fucking fight if we have to and he's like so we're like i'm thinking this i'm like where are we going with this huh and then they're getting set before action gets called they're staring at each other and josh berlin looks at denzel like straight in the eye right before they call action and he goes i love you and then
Guest:Then it calls action and they do the scene.
Guest:And when they called cut, Denzel just lost it.
Guest:He started laughing.
Guest:He was like, you know, that this whole time he'd been holding that in because he said, I love you before they did it.
Guest:And like, that was like a big tension release.
Guest:And they're like buddies throughout the rest of the shoot.
Guest:But like in this one moment, he was like, man, am I going to have to fight Denzel?
Guest:This is going to be awesome.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like Denzel Washington and I, we're going to throw down.
Marc:That's great.
Guest:And like, he's telling that story to Mark and Mark is like, that's so funny.
Guest:The difference between you and me.
Guest:Cause I would have immediately been like, Oh, I'm sorry, man.
Guest:I didn't mean to touch it.
Guest:Totally.
Marc:We're going to back down immediately.
Marc:I also love his elevator pitch to Jessica Lange and Josh Brolin about the In Memorial movie.
Marc:And they both dig it.
Marc:They just love the concept of it.
Guest:Yeah, it's a good hook.
Marc:Yes, it is a great, great hook.
Marc:And I can't wait to see it now.
Marc:I'm kind of, I guess because I listen so much, I'm like, I'm in it.
Marc:I'm like, all right, when does this movie come out?
Marc:Oh, not for another year.
Marc:Yeah, what's going to happen?
Marc:Is it going to get in in the montage?
Yeah.
Marc:I want to know more.
Marc:I just want to see it.
Guest:So, yeah.
Guest:So that was, I thought, an ideal week of the show.
Guest:Great guests.
Guest:And great guests that, you know, obviously we knew that Josh Brolin was a good guest from the last time he was on.
Guest:But I just thought these were great talks.
Guest:And I'm glad that we had them.
Guest:I'm glad we had them because I'm still not that into talking to people.
Guest:I don't know about you.
Guest:I'm like, you know, not like...
Marc:I've been going to the movies so often, Brendan.
Marc:I live at the movie theater.
Marc:The person I talk to the most is the person scanning my ticket at the movie theater.
Guest:Yeah, I'm in the same boat.
Guest:I'm not that interested in engaging with people out there in the world.
Guest:Still pretty pissed at people, so it's good to hear these conversations.
Guest:And then one of the things I was able to do this week was, you know, we spend more time at home, spend time with my family to kind of double down on at home stuff.
Guest:And I did realize one of the people I do like talking to here in my house is my son.
Guest:And he's turned 13.
Guest:So he's, you know, we're talking about things a little more advanced level than when he was a kid.
Guest:And something came up, we were talking and I realized like, Hey, you know, this is actually pretty good advice, what you're talking to me about.
Guest:And it was because, you know, he is at the cusp now as a 13 year old of watching movies that are for adults, you know, or, or like, you know, PG 13, he's now finally in that area.
Guest:And that is kind of like been something we've struggled with for a while.
Guest:Like,
Guest:you know, he's hit this certain age and was in like a gray area where it's like, was that too adult for him?
Guest:Or is that too young for him?
Guest:And, you know, most of the time he would just default to being like, no, thanks.
Guest:I don't even want to go there.
Guest:I'll just go back to watching the Disney cartoon or whatever.
Guest:So now he's finally at this age where he's,
Guest:opening up to more of these things and as a 13 year old who's like moving on from like what's primarily been children's fair I think it's interesting about what he's finding appropriate and enjoyable and I know we probably have people out there wondering the same thing about either their own kids or grandkids or or maybe they don't have kids and they're just wondering like where is it now for kids these days that it wasn't for me back in my childhood because I know to me personally it's very different and
Guest:And so I thought we'd do a little segment here.
Guest:This is an advice section of what you can show your kids of a certain age.
Guest:And I will now turn this microphone over to the conversation that I had with my son, Owen.
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Guest:Okay, I'm here with Owen.
Guest:Hey, Owen.
Guest:Hello.
Guest:Owen, you want to tell people about yourself?
Guest:I'm 13 years old and I love playing video games.
Guest:And you don't, I wouldn't say you love movies, but every now and then we watch a movie that you like.
Guest:And then we did watch one that you liked just recently.
Guest:And so I figured it'd be a good idea to talk about it.
Guest:And then people who are listening to this, maybe they can show it to their kids or they can get an idea of what not to show to their kids.
Guest:So this will be a little advice section for them.
Guest:And since you are a kid and you're just at the age that you get into the area of like...
Guest:pg-13 movies right you just turned 13 this year and so it's time for not just kids movies anymore we're getting into movies that like grown-ups and kids can watch so what was the movie we watched together recently the naked gun the naked gun from the files of police squad what was it about that did you want to watch it or were you just going along with my suggestion
Guest:Yeah, I had no idea what it really was.
Guest:You showed me the beginning with the evil guys and he like kills all of them.
Guest:There were people playing some of the like world leaders at the time in the 80s, right?
Guest:And he being Frank Drebin, a detective from America.
Guest:So I have no idea why he was there.
Guest:But he is in this place, you know, somewhere in the Middle East and he attacks all
Guest:All the world leaders who were our adversaries at the time, Gaddafi, Idi Amin, Mikhail Gorbachev.
Guest:And yeah, you had seen that part already, but that was it.
Guest:So then you showed me the whole movie the other day.
Guest:And I recently remarked saying it was one of the best movies I've ever seen.
Guest:Besides, of course, Billy Madison, which was also great.
Guest:Are you talking about just comedies?
Guest:This is how you feel like these are your favorite comedies or just movies in general?
Guest:Actually, comedies.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Because I have some favorites of mine that are animated movies, and those are some good movies of the 21st century.
Guest:I know that you like to laugh, so that's why I suggested we watch it.
Guest:I know it's very silly, but why don't you tell people who might not know what The Naked Gun is, why don't you describe it to the best of your abilities, what happens in that movie?
Guest:It's about a detective dude who solves cases, but he isn't really good at them.
Guest:He's great at defeating people, but he always crashes his car.
Guest:The airbag goes off, and then the car catches fire.
Guest:There's a whole bunch of scenes where we just hear him narrating as he's driving his car, and then he crashes it into some strange place.
Guest:So he's good, but he's also not good.
Guest:And...
Guest:Is that actor in anything else?
Guest:Was he popular at the time or was he just brand new?
Guest:Well, he was popular by the time The Naked Gun came out because he was in the movie Airplane.
Guest:And this is why he got this kind of second career in his older age as a comedic actor.
Guest:Before that, when he was in Airplane, he was known from other movies, but he always played a very straight-laced, very normal guy.
Guest:So that was kind of the joke when...
Guest:when he showed up in airplane playing this doctor on the plane, that he could play it very straight.
Guest:He could be like a very normal, serious guy saying funny lines.
Guest:And that was what was appealing about him.
Guest:He was in real life a very silly guy.
Guest:So that also helped.
Guest:You know, Mark interviewed him one time and Leslie Nielsen had a fart machine with him and would just press it at random times.
Guest:He just liked to have the interview interrupted with farts.
Guest:that sounds like someone we know who's that me of course well i have like i have like two fart machines already and well they're actually i should get a better one like i i have one that's just like a dollar store fart machine called like fart family yeah and it has like the ripper wet uh cheeky
Guest:See, we knew that this movie would be good for you.
Guest:This is proof as to why.
Guest:So, okay, so this is now, you've set up the character.
Guest:What's the plot of the movie?
Guest:Do you have any idea what this movie is even about?
Guest:So, I think I have, like, a general sense.
Guest:There's, like, this guy, he kind of reminds me of the Joker, like, before he's the Joker, like...
Guest:Okay, good idea, yeah.
Guest:Like, I'm surprised he wasn't played by Jack Nicholson.
Guest:He seemed like it.
Guest:You're talking about the guy played by Ricardo Montalban, and he plays a businessman, and I guess your idea of him being like the Jack Nicholson Joker, he's clearly like a crime lord.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And he has this, like...
Guest:this boat called I love you.
Guest:And there was something bad going on with it.
Guest:Like this, one of the detectives finds the boat and then he gets shot several times.
Guest:And then he steps on a bear trap.
Guest:He gets his arm in a bunch of wet paint.
Guest:He lands in a cake.
Guest:I think he also touched like a hot stove or something, burned his hand.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Very Bugs Bunny.
Guest:Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking when I watched it.
Guest:I was like, oh, this is straight out of a Looney Tunes cartoon.
Guest:And then, because his arm touches wet paint, and he just goes, oh, no.
Guest:It's like, that's also funny, because it's just like, what's so bad about wet paint?
Guest:Yeah, what'd you think about that guy, that detective?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I said he seemed like a nice guy, but the actor wasn't a nice guy.
Guest:Yeah, who was the actor?
Guest:It's O.J.
Guest:Simpson.
Guest:Yeah, he turned out to not be that nice a guy.
Guest:But were you okay with it, watching it, knowing, like I told you, hey, this guy, you know, he killed his wife and somebody else.
Guest:You were okay watching it, though?
Guest:I was like, geez, this guy?
Guest:That's what a lot of people said.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:like exactly jesus guy basically for a whole year the trial was on tv for one year in real time everybody watched it it was it was basically the start of our terrible world today so okay so after oj gets shot he's not dead right yeah he's not dead he it says they missed all of his important arteries that could be fatal or something all vital organs yeah
Guest:And then he's in the hospital and then the bed keeps flipping about.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:And his wife gets snot all over the detective's arm.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:I like seeing the things that stick in your mind.
Guest:What was going on?
Guest:Do you remember?
Guest:Like, why did he get shot?
Guest:There was just a bunch of like gangsters on the boat.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They were dealing drugs.
Guest:And so that's, that was bad.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So OJ saw them and he could have basically gotten that guy who's like the, you know, the crime boss.
Guest:He could have gotten him in trouble.
Guest:So that's why they had to try to kill him, but they didn't kill him.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:This all seems like a very simple mystery.
Guest:I've seen movies that have like a extremely complicated mystery, like Knives Out or stuff like that.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You really have to pay attention.
Guest:This is not very complicated at all.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So, okay, so then because he's on the police squad, OJ is, then, you know, Frank Drebin, who is played by Leslie Nielsen, and his partner, Ed, they have to, you know, figure out what happened.
Guest:But then what do you find out about the bad guy?
Guest:What is he trying to do?
Guest:What's his main goal?
Guest:They're going to kill the queen.
Guest:Kill the queen of England, right, because she's visiting the city.
Guest:Not actually the queen.
Guest:It was an actress.
Guest:But it looks so legit.
Guest:It looks like the queen.
Guest:Yeah, they had some good impersonators, sure.
Guest:Except for one person.
Guest:One person was not an impersonator, but we'll talk about that in a minute.
Guest:There's something that has to do with hypnosis and people start killing people and stuff like that.
Guest:Oh, right.
Guest:The bad guy has a hypnotism device.
Guest:They never explain it.
Guest:It doesn't matter.
Guest:It looks like a watch.
Guest:Yeah, he clicks his watch and it makes any person do whatever he programs them to do.
Guest:In this case, it's to kill whoever is in front of them.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Does Leslie Nielsen find out about this on his own or does he get some help?
Guest:He gets some help with that woman.
Guest:She's like the assistant of the bad guy, but she doesn't know he's bad.
Guest:And the bad guy tells her to go spend time with Frank Drebin.
Guest:But then instead of being bad to him, what happens?
Guest:They fall in love.
Guest:Right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, and then this is where the kind of PG-13 stuff comes.
Guest:Yeah, but did you have any conception of what even that was?
Guest:What was going on in that scene?
Guest:What, the safe sex scene?
Guest:Yeah, they said they practiced safe sex, but then what was happening?
Guest:They were kissing in giant rubber suits.
Guest:Rubber suits, yes.
Guest:Head-to-toe condoms, yes.
Guest:Which doesn't make any sense.
Guest:It's like one of the dumbest jokes in the whole movie.
Guest:But these scenes are very tame because I've seen, I actually over the summer watched this movie, which was pretty funny, but it had a lot more crude humor than this movie does.
Guest:The movie is called Liar Liar with Jim Carrey.
Guest:Which is very interesting to me because to me that's like exactly in the same category.
Guest:But it's just funny that to you, that movie seemed to you more adult.
Guest:But I don't know, that movie almost seemed more like a kid's movie to me.
Guest:But I get what you're saying because there were some parts about like, I guess, suggestive behaviors, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:But none of this stuff in this naked gun made you feel uncomfortable, right?
Guest:So that's a good sign.
Guest:Okay, good.
Guest:Now, another thing, there's very little bad language in this movie.
Guest:So it's mostly just language you'd hear in, like, The Simpsons.
Guest:Okay, so, you know, you sat through this.
Guest:You were generally not uncomfortable.
Guest:Did it make you uncomfortable when he's hanging off the penis of the statue outside?
Guest:A little, but it's just silly.
Guest:Yes, it's very silly.
Guest:He's on a ledge.
Guest:He falls.
Guest:He grabs the penis to hold on so he doesn't fall to his death.
Guest:And a woman sees him grabbing this penis and gets very upset.
Guest:Yeah, it's just like, it was funny, but I'm just like, okay, this is almost like entertaining.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's like it was too goofy?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, here's what I will say about this movie.
Guest:I feel like there's a lot of stuff that's too goofy or just doesn't work, but there's so many jokes.
Guest:It's kind of like, you ever hear that idea, throw it against the wall and see what sticks?
Guest:Like, I feel like they just threw every joke they possibly could come up with against the wall and saw what stuck.
Guest:Yeah, you even pointed out there was a joke that almost seemed like something out of, like, this, like...
Guest:early comedy or something.
Guest:Like what?
Guest:Where he hands him the dollar and then he hands him... Oh boy, that part killed me.
Guest:I laughed.
Guest:I forgot how funny that was.
Guest:I laughed my head off at that.
Guest:And yeah, it was like an old vaudeville routine.
Guest:Like, he's trying to get information...
Guest:from this dock worker.
Guest:And he's like, why don't you tell me who was over there at that boat?
Guest:And the guy's like, I don't know.
Guest:I don't really remember.
Guest:And he says, well, maybe this will jog your memory.
Guest:And he pulls out a $20 bill.
Guest:And the guy's like, I don't know.
Guest:It's still kind of fuzzy.
Guest:He goes, well, how about this?
Guest:He gives him another $20 bill.
Guest:And the guy's like, yeah, I remember that boat.
Guest:That's the I love you or whatever.
Guest:He's like, why do you care?
Guest:What do you want to know about this?
Guest:And Drebren says, I can't tell you that.
Guest:And the dock worker goes,
Guest:Handsome 20 and says, well, maybe this will refresh your memory.
Guest:And it goes on like that with them just trading $20 bills back and forth.
Guest:And I was dying.
Guest:I thought that was hilarious.
Guest:And I am sure of the fact that when I was a kid, when I was your age, I didn't find that funny at all.
Guest:I probably, it just seemed like a goofy thing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's what I think.
Guest:I'll find this funny when I'm older.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:They reward you as they go on.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Now, speaking of vaudeville and the Joker, as I mentioned earlier, I bet the creators of the Batman movie must have seen this because that scene with the slaughterhouse and he falls into a vat of toxic waste, that's literally the Joker.
Guest:It looked a lot like it.
Guest:Yeah, and this movie was made before the Tim Burton Batman.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, so then what's the big climax of the movie?
Guest:Where do they have to stop the people from trying to kill the queen?
Guest:At the baseball game, which you said all the scenes, including the baseball game, are like the best scenes in the entire world.
Guest:Well, can you explain what was happening?
Guest:How was he going to try to stop?
Guest:Now, he's forbidden from being there because they fire him from the force.
Guest:But then he sneaks onto the field and starts singing the national anthem.
Guest:That happens first, yeah.
Guest:But the text on the screen says the name of this allegedly famous opera singer.
Guest:Enrico Palazzo.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he doesn't even know most of the lyrics.
Guest:So he's like.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Bunch of bombs in the air.
Guest:I'll tell you this.
Guest:Almost every time I'm at a baseball game and they're singing the national anthem, the words I'm hearing in my head are the Frank Drebin words.
Guest:I'm always hearing bunch of bombs in the air.
Guest:I thought he was saying a bunch of bums in the air.
Guest:That would have been even better.
Guest:That would be weird.
Guest:All right, but so then he runs off the field as the opera singer, and then what does he do?
Guest:Then he poses as the umpire and starts messing up the game.
Guest:But is he messing the game on purpose, or he's trying to do what?
Guest:He's just trying to be an umpire, but...
Guest:But he's also trying to search these guys to see if any one of them has a gun because he knows that they could get turned into an assassin.
Guest:And eventually the gun is just under the third base or something.
Guest:Yes, right.
Guest:And Reggie Jackson, who is playing himself, is not an impersonator.
Guest:It's actually Reggie Jackson goes and picks up the gun.
Guest:Yeah, and then eventually all the players meanwhile are fighting, so they don't even notice this guy.
Guest:So then he goes up, tries to shoot the queen, but then the detective taking his weapon that the scientist gave him, which is like these little darts that can make you pass out.
Guest:Yeah, they're concealed in his cufflinks.
Guest:So you push the cufflinks and the dart comes out.
Guest:And...
Guest:He shoots it at this obese crowd member who falls from the crowd and lands on the baseball player.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:And I remember watching this scene as well when, like, before any of this, like a few years ago.
Guest:You've seen this clip.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I was like, what the heck is going on?
Guest:Well, but then it's one of my favorite jokes in the movie that the mayor says, that umpire just saved the queen.
Guest:And Ed, his partner, says, that's no umpire mayor.
Guest:And he takes his umpire mask off and you see that it's Frank Drebin.
Guest:But what happens?
Guest:Hey, it's... It's Enrico Palazzo!
Guest:They think he's the opera singer still.
Guest:And the guy who says that, that's one of the characters from Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
Guest:Yeah, Francis.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Yeah, that actor.
Guest:He's also in A League of Their Own.
Guest:We've watched that.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Which is also a baseball movie.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:He spends a lot of time on fake baseball fields.
Guest:That's for sure.
Guest:Okay, so then they have a showdown on top of the stadium, and what happens?
Guest:So he ends up shooting the bad guy with his dart, he falls off the highest height of the stadium, and then lands on the road and gets crushed by a bus, then gets flamped by a steamroller, which is straight out of Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and then a marching band playing Louie Louie walks on top of him.
Okay.
Guest:And Ed starts crying and says, my father, he went the same way.
Guest:They almost made me cry saying that.
Guest:So, and then, you know, he almost gets shot by Jane, his new girlfriend, because the hypnosis thing goes off.
Guest:But he talks her down.
Guest:And with a loving speech.
Guest:And that makes everyone in the stadium love each other.
Guest:Right?
Guest:And they all start hugging.
Guest:And that is... Like, all these movies connect to each other because that almost seems like the ending of Billy Madison.
Guest:Sure does.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And right at the end of the movie, you get OJ.
Guest:He shows up again and...
Guest:oh yeah and then he dies again he gets flung off the side of the building as well he doesn't die though he shows up in the sequels oh right yeah with like a crazy afro or something yeah and one of them he's got a big afro like they do a flashback to him in the 70s all right so what would you say to other kids your age you think this is a recommend for them
Guest:Um, yeah, I mean, there's some sus statues and some weird sex scenes, but I think besides that, there's, I mean, there's still some violence and stuff like that, because that's, it's basically just watching, in all, it's basically just watching a Looney Tunes cartoon, but better than
Guest:And how do you think it held up?
Guest:Now, it's almost a 40-year-old movie.
Guest:Did it feel like, you know, it felt like watching an old movie or felt still relatively new?
Guest:It kind of felt like watching an old movie, but it almost felt even older because there's old jokes in it.
Guest:I see.
Guest:Oh, that's interesting.
Guest:So it's almost like to you, it's like almost going back to like Mel Brooks age movies, like watching something like Producers or Young Frankenstein.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Which you've seen both of those.
Guest:Do you think those were funny?
Guest:Yeah, those were funny.
Guest:Young Frankenstein had... We should definitely go over old movies as well.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:All right.
Guest:So you're recommending this to someone who wants to watch a comedy with their kids.
Guest:This one, you'd think kids your age, it's totally okay.
Guest:Yeah, this is fine.
Guest:What do you think you'd want to watch next that you haven't seen yet?
Guest:Forrest Gump, probably.
Guest:Forrest Gump.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:That's one, you know, again, we're now into PG-13 movies where you could watch them.
Guest:We can watch Forrest Gump.
Guest:You would want to watch Castaway, too, right?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Well, that's not even PG-13.
Guest:Hmm.
Guest:It might be, but it might be just because it's kind of intense.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:There's a plane crash.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:This sounds good.
Guest:Do you think maybe we should, you know, kind of regularly check back in and see what you're watching and recommending?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Good job, son.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Thank you.
Guest:So what do you think, Chris?
Guest:Do you think that's a decent movie review and summary of The Naked Guy?
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:He is incredible.
Marc:Like, we have to talk about so many things, okay?
Marc:First of all, when he was talking about the farting, and he's like, oh, you know, it sounds like someone we know.
Marc:I thought for a split second and he holds the moment so well, comedic moment.
Marc:I thought he was going to snipe either you or Don in that moment.
Guest:Oh, I figured I was a dead man.
Guest:Absolutely.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:He's like, it's me.
Marc:I'm the fart machine.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I got a whole fart machine fart family.
Marc:And I love that he's just rattling off names like he's talking about his friends.
Marc:The Ripper, Wet, Cheeky, Stinky, Tootsie, Little Squeaker, Big Squeaker, Miss Squeaker.
Marc:I just love it.
Marc:He is amazing.
Guest:You're on the same wavelength with him.
Guest:That's why.
Guest:You know these things.
Marc:Well, you know, he's a little bit more sophisticated than me.
Marc:And I say that because when he was talking about the Joker being a crime lord, I was like, God damn, is Owen like watching the Heath Ledger Joker?
Marc:And no, I guess he watched like Jack Nicholson's Joker.
Marc:And I never thought of him as a crime lord.
Marc:I just thought of him as a bad guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, it's because he's, you know, I think what he's thinking of is because he specifically mentioned the Joker before he becomes the Joker.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So he's thinking of those scenes of Jack in the suit, like hanging out in the, you know, the penthouse and, you know, he's clearly mobbed up or whatever.
Guest:You know, he's Jack Palance is his boss.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And that's what he saw as Ricardo Montalban, another guy like in a suit being all suave, but a criminal at the same time.
Guest:I totally got it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And he also, I want him to describe what happens to the Joker because his description of what happens to the bad guy in Naked Gun is amazing.
Marc:It's like falls off the top of a stadium, lands on the road, hit by a bus, crushed by a steamroller, then a marching band plays Louie Louie.
Guest:Yeah, he even knew the song.
Guest:I love that.
Guest:Look, these things, they stick in your brain when you're a kid.
Marc:Yes, and that's the thing.
Marc:What I was thinking about movies that stuck in my brain when I was a kid, and I think it all has to do with the actor or actors who are in those films.
Marc:When I was a kid, I loved Bill Murray from Ghostbusters, right?
Marc:Sure, right.
Guest:Then you just see him in everything.
Marc:Well, I mean, I wouldn't, I would, I would seek it out.
Marc:I would go to like Blockbuster and be like, oh, look, this, what about Bob and Groundhog Day?
Marc:Like this, this is my guy.
Marc:But then it also sort of branched out into other, you know, you know, people as well.
Marc:So it's like, it's all about...
Marc:those movies and the sort of side quests that you have with those, uh, actors and directors and stuff.
Marc:Cause like, I remember Steve Martin in three amigos, a movie for some reason I watched forever, you know, for so many years.
Marc:And then I'm like, Oh, well he's in this movie, my blue heaven.
Marc:I'll watch that.
Marc:Then he's in Roxanne that's on HBO.
Marc:And I'm like, all right, I don't really get it, but I'll watch it.
Marc:But then like, I find the jerk and planes, trains and automobiles.
Marc:And it's just, he's like one of my guys.
Guest:Sure.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, I mean, I think The Naked Gun is a good touch point for that kind of thing because it definitely, there were definitely movies from that era where, you know, you could, as a kid, be like, I like that Naked Gun.
Guest:What else is like that?
Guest:And then you start watching, you know, the airplane movies, Hot Shots.
Guest:Top Secret.
Guest:yeah you know you you just find these type of tones that you stick with even like something like wayne's world which came out when we were like 13 or or whatever like those those felt appropriate at at the time i mean i think it's hard for me uh to establish a barometer because i basically watched everything by the time i was 13 like we've established that i was already watching reservoir dogs and that but i yes
Guest:I was thinking, what do I remember from being a kid?
Guest:What was my aesthetic?
Guest:What did I like?
Guest:I do remember that when I was 10 or 11, if anyone asked me what my favorite movies are, I had a set answer of five.
Guest:Time Bandits, Batman, Pee-wee's Big Adventure, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and Popeye.
Guest:Those were like my set five, these are my five favorite movies.
Guest:I don't know how long I like carried that, but I do think because I carried that, things branched off of those in a very specific way, right?
Guest:Like you can draw easy lines to like what they wind up making me interested as I get older.
Guest:Like I'm sure I watched The Player because I was like, oh, that's the guy who made Popeye.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:totally yeah and like batman you which i also loved a man i remember going to i got the vhs of batman which was like the black cover with the yeah with the signal and i remember going to this kid's house from boy scouts and it was my first time ever being at his house last time too because like the kids were all like talking over the movie and i was like hey we gotta watch this movie like shut up and watch it so we watched it last time i ever hung out with those guys they were like this
Marc:fucking guys little little much yeah this cineast over here sending him back to france but like i would watch mr mom because michael keaton and then the dream team which i kind of remember that yeah yeah like and then beetlejuice and like and that got me on to you know tim burton movies and stuff and like it's all of a piece of a picture that of a mosaic of all these sort of things that we like and that yeah
Guest:kind of got into so like i'm fascinated to see what owen takes with that because he liked or he i don't know if he liked liar liar i know he thought that that was a little too scandalous it's weird because you know it's interesting it's like to me i i thought that was if you asked me which one of these is more appropriate for kids liar liar or naked gun like without watching them just said which one i'd be like oh liar liar that's a kid's movie
Guest:It's like the kid makes a wish that his dad will like spend more time with him and he can't tell a lie or whatever.
Guest:It seems like it's for kids, but I guess there was too much like talking about sex and like the, the, the, the, um, the boss, you know, makes him have sex with her and he misses his kid's birthday party because of that.
Guest:And then he, he has a, that's when he first tells a lie.
Guest:Like the, the, the boss is like, was it good for you?
Guest:And he's like, I've had better.
Guest:Oh,
Guest:Like, he kind of realizes that he just blurted that out.
Guest:And, like, to me, it's like, you're like, well, I didn't see any coitus.
Guest:So, like, I'm not, like, scandalized or anything.
Guest:But as a kid, you're like...
Guest:putting that together in your head.
Guest:Oh, that's what they did.
Guest:It must've seemed so, you know, forbidden and adult, even though it's in the midst of this children's film essentially.
Guest:And I never put that together.
Guest:And that's kind of like where I was approaching it with this, like to him, like you're at this age where you're taking all this stuff in.
Guest:What is it you find like enjoyable versus uncomfortable?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Well, so are you going to like have him watch like Ace Ventura and The Mask?
Guest:Well, I definitely will let him kind of dictate the terms.
Guest:And, you know, he can, you know, I always show him like this is a trailer.
Guest:This is what this movie is about or whatever.
Marc:And we didn't have that as a kid, right?
Guest:The Mask we've definitely watched already, though.
Guest:That was that was also like solidly a kid's movie.
Marc:Was it?
Marc:I feel like Cameron Diaz was like very, they objectified her a bit.
Guest:Yeah, but that's like for you and me.
Guest:Like, we get that.
Guest:When you're a little kid, you're just like, a lady is a lady.
Guest:Like, you're not, right?
Guest:Like, you're not like understanding that they're like, no, that's the tightest red dress I've ever seen in my life.
Guest:Like, there's no difference.
Marc:Doesn't the mask, like, eyes pop out like a Looney Tunes?
Guest:Yeah, but so does Tom and Jerry.
Guest:It's like, there's no different.
Guest:I mean, that's literally what he's doing in The Mask.
Guest:He's, like, turns into, like, the wolf from one of those Warner Brothers cartoons.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So, okay, so you've watched The Mask, and, like, what about Ace Ventura?
Marc:I feel like that...
Marc:is a movie that could hold up.
Marc:That probably aged the worst, I would bet.
Marc:Did it because of the villain, right?
Guest:The villain stuff, the trans stuff.
Guest:Yeah, I bet that's not good at all.
Guest:I wouldn't know 100%.
Guest:The one that I did recommend that we watch after Naked Gun, and we'll see if he wants to go there, is Austin Powers.
Guest:I was like, that seems like it's right in the same line of the Naked Gun.
Guest:It's also kind of
Guest:a satire it's poking fun at the idea of these things being you know sexist and having poor gender roles and whatnot like and it's it's funny so like he'll like dr evil and all that stuff so i you know i kind of you know pushing that one as as a possibility other than he busts out forrest gump is what he wants to watch next which is so weird wild
Marc:Well, but see, I like that though, because that'll get him to, has he seen Big?
Marc:I know Big probably sounds like an old movie.
Marc:He has not watched Big.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So Big, Joe versus the Volcano.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's funny because for little kids, Tom Hanks has been with them their whole lives, right?
Marc:Woody, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:So so they know him.
Guest:They've seen him.
Guest:There's no there's no differentiation between Woody and Tom Hanks.
Guest:Like that's that he's that he's that for them.
Guest:And so, you know, I think in his mind, he's like, I'd like to watch some Tom Hanks films.
Guest:I told him, you know, you definitely got to watch Apollo 13.
Guest:Like, that's a great one.
Guest:And so I think, you know, that might be on the list as well.
Guest:But yeah, we'll see where it goes.
Guest:I'd be happy to try it again if people like hearing it, if they think it's good advice and somewhat entertaining at the same time.
Marc:I can't wait for him to find out about Lieutenant Dan and all his wacky hijinks.
Marc:You ain't got no legs.
Guest:Well, I was thinking about this, though, in terms of what we just did with Owen there and what we can do going forward for us.
Guest:You know, these movies are new to him.
Guest:But as Mark says, you're never late to a party anymore.
Guest:There's always time for you to pick something up.
Guest:So I want us each...
Guest:to pick something that we can consider new to us, okay?
Guest:This is either something you've never seen before or something maybe you even just saw it for the first time recently.
Guest:You don't have to put a timeframe on it.
Guest:You could watch something within the last six months or something and be like, oh, I never saw that and it was great.
Guest:So pick something.
Guest:We'll each pick something that is new to us,
Guest:And next week we can announce our picks and those will be the first things we watch going forward next month, you know, instead of picking a brand new director or something.
Guest:I don't want to bite off blank checks style.
Guest:They do that.
Guest:They do one director and they go through.
Guest:the whole, uh, catalog of that person.
Guest:So, uh, but somebody sent in a suggestion saying, you know, how about watching stuff you've never seen?
Guest:And, and I think either never seen or like maybe you saw it, you know, when you were really young, you have no real conception of it.
Guest:Now you watch it really for the first time, you know, and consider it.
Guest:I, I, I think this idea of like, uh,
Guest:And how is this tracking for you the first time is probably a good one.
Guest:Yeah, I like that.
Guest:I mean, we're both watching Criterion channel stuff all the time.
Guest:So I feel like this is very easy.
Marc:That's exactly where my head went.
Marc:I was like, well, the Criterion has like 50 million things that I've never seen.
Marc:Yeah, there you go.
Marc:Excellent.
Marc:Really good homework.
Marc:I love it.
Guest:We will announce those next week, and if you've got any suggestions yourself or, as I said at the beginning of the show, any new hobbies, keep those coming in.
Guest:Just go to the link in the episode description, and we'll keep it coming here on the Friday show.
Guest:Until next time, I'm Brendan, and that's Chris.
Guest:Peace.