BONUS Year in Review - WTF 2024
Marc:So another year down.
Marc:I know.
Marc:I don't even...
Marc:I can't.
Marc:I think that COVID screwed up my sense of time, but maybe it's this new possibility of ADHD.
Marc:But I have no idea what happened.
Guest:Well, I got to tell you, though, dude, it does feel like we did this like four months ago.
Guest:Like this was lightning fast.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I think I feel like there's some high points and I feel like a lot has happened, but I don't...
Marc:I don't have a list in my head of it.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:So I hope you made a list.
Guest:OK, well, yeah, we can work off a list.
Guest:I think also what we should probably work off of is in addition to going through a year in review of WTF is kind of reviewing your own year personally, which involved different things for your career that took a lot of your time, took a lot of your attention.
Guest:It was also kind of like right from the get go.
Guest:Like if you remember right in the early part of the year in the winter,
Guest:You had to go do that thing with Larry David.
Guest:And like, I feel like that was like setting you up on a kind of template for the rest of the year where you'd have this thing you didn't really want to do.
Guest:You were kind of panicked about it.
Guest:You actually then wanted it to end and not happen.
Guest:You did basically everything you could to get out of it.
Guest:It happened and then it was over and you probably barely remember it now.
Marc:Well, actually, I do remember it.
Marc:But I'm also starting to notice that I am that way with everything.
Marc:But when Larry asked me to talk to him, it was all of that back and forth.
Marc:Like, you do whatever you want.
Marc:I don't want to do this, but go ahead and do what you want.
Marc:To the point where that day when I got to D.C.
Marc:for the event, I remember the moment.
Marc:Like, you know, I'd gone back with him back and forth with him several times.
Marc:And it took me a long time to really wrap myself around what he wanted to do in terms of just like not really doing a WTF, but just, you know, doing, you know, just, you know, being a gracious host and elevating the talent of Larry David.
Marc:Fine.
Marc:I can do that.
Marc:But it was all it was also there was dread involved, I think, on both of our parts.
Marc:And then he called me the day of the show.
Marc:Like hours before.
Marc:And I really was hoping he was like, we're not doing it.
Marc:I was so, I thought like, hello.
Marc:I just wanted him to go like, Mark, I don't want to do it.
Marc:And, but that wasn't the case.
Guest:But didn't he come close to that?
Guest:Wasn't he basically like, didn't he say to you like, you were like, I'm trying to figure out some way to get out of this.
Guest:And he was like, yeah, me too.
Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, I think it was during that conversation.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But ultimately, you know, what I think what happened was, you know, we kind of wanted it to meet match up with the WTF and it wouldn't have been a good WTF.
Marc:No.
Marc:What we did live.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:But I think you also pushed back mentally against it being something other than that, because you didn't want to just look like a schmageggy who is there to just like, you know, set up random softball things so he can riff off of them.
Guest:And you weren't like a huge fan of the show.
Guest:You didn't watch every episode.
Guest:You didn't know Seinfeld.
Guest:So you didn't feel like you were equipped to do that.
Guest:But ultimately, it wound up being something where he was like, the way you did this was great.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It allowed for him to be funny, but also he had a guy with him that he could, you know, actually parry with and bounce things off of.
Marc:Yeah, no.
Marc:Well, the Schmagegi element of it was sort of...
Marc:I may not have wanted to do that, but that was the job.
Marc:Like the biggest part of that job was like, I, I'm not, I don't have to insert myself to, uh, to show who I am because that's not why they were there, but I can, you know, I can make jokes and I can sort of like, you know, know when he's done with a thing and move on to the next thing.
Marc:Like I am a, a gracious host when called upon to do that.
Marc:I just have to surrender a little ego and,
Marc:But ultimately it became like, well, I want this guy to have a good time because this is what he wants to do.
Marc:And I think he did.
Marc:And then he went on to do several of them.
Marc:But I heard through the grapevine that he thought I was the best one.
Marc:Oh, well, that's a nice grapevine to hear from.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It was his daughter.
Marc:So I believe it.
Guest:Oh, good.
Guest:Well, you came out of that and you, yeah, I remember you feeling good about it.
Guest:And then it was kind of like right into the idea of having to do this TV show for Apple, which was, you know, several weeks long, maybe months long process of it coming down the pike.
Guest:And you, like most things,
Guest:you know, really try to make it not happen, which you did with the Larry David thing too.
Guest:Like you were like, I'm going to ask for way too much money.
Guest:And then they offered you more than you were even going to ask for.
Marc:I have no idea what people pay, you know what I mean?
Marc:I probably could have gotten, yeah.
Marc:But, um,
Guest:But I think the same thing happened with the Apple thing where you were like, I'm holding out for this.
Guest:And they were like, oh, he's playing hardball.
Guest:Well, then fine.
Guest:Here's a nicer offer.
Guest:I wasn't holding out.
Guest:I was turning it down.
Guest:Oh, exactly.
Guest:But I don't think people in the business that you're in there get that.
Marc:I think they just take that as a challenge.
Marc:Well, that's what I learned about business affairs people.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like, if you're the guy they want, and it wasn't just sort of like, well, you couldn't get the other guy or whatever, but you're the guy, and you say no, they're like, no, we're going to get him.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:We'll get him.
Guest:That's apparently what happened to Spielberg when he made Jaws, was they brought him into the studio, and their negotiation was like, okay –
Guest:here's the number we're going to hire you for this.
Guest:And he was so shocked by how much money it was.
Guest:He was speechless and they took his speechlessness to be a hardball tactic.
Guest:And they were like, okay, fine.
Guest:And they gave him more.
Marc:Why was, I remember going back and forth with you, uh,
Marc:Because it was it was a very difficult decision for me in that, you know, this our show is my priority and there's no way to do it differently than how we do it.
Marc:You know, we we made adjustments for covid, but that's not where we are now.
Marc:So that was a priority.
Marc:But there was also this element of like, do I want to act in the future?
Marc:And if I turn this down, will that be an obstacle for me?
Marc:Because my agents will be like, well, fuck this guy.
Marc:You know, because it was an offer.
Marc:It wasn't like audition.
Marc:It was like and there was just a lot of like back and forth with you, too, about, you know, making columns, you know, pros and cons and this and that and the other thing.
Marc:And yeah, you and I had gotten to the point where it's like, well, I'm just not going to fucking do it.
Marc:I'll just suck it up.
Marc:I mean, that was I remember like at some point we ended at that place.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And then and then, you know, I just had to navigate the politics of it because it was like it was a determining thing.
Marc:a determining job as to whether or not that, you know, I want to act, period.
Marc:Like I figured I came down on the side of like, well, if I can, you know, find satisfaction in this job, in this particular situation, then, you know, maybe, you know, I'll have a little more love for it and a willingness to kind of to do different things in acting.
Marc:And I think it did that to a degree, but I got to be honest with you, the only thing that made it...
Marc:not horrible for me.
Marc:It was really just Samsung.
Marc:And you know, I, you know, and I don't want to promote them too much, but that Samsung TV in the trailer just fucking changed the whole game.
Marc:Like if I got to sit in a trailer for three hours, I can watch two Tarantino movies.
Marc:I mean, I watched so many fucking movies up there.
Guest:Chris and I talk about this regularly because you bring it up on the show all the time.
Guest:Did you legitimately not know that was a possibility?
Yeah.
Marc:what that you could just you know cast things onto your tv and basically anywhere you ever are if you have that kind of tv you don't understand these trailers are usually have just a bunch of outdated equipment in them well but you could even just bring your apple tv box and plug it into that and it's the exact same thing if that i'm telling you not you you don't know how old these trailers are
Marc:Like, I just talked about it with Livingston.
Marc:A lot of times you go into these trailers and the TV... Ron Livingston, yeah.
Marc:Ron Livingston.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The TV's hooked up to a satellite dish that doesn't work.
Marc:Like, there's no Wi-Fi in the trailer.
Marc:Like, it's just not... It's not an option.
Marc:You're just sitting and looking at dead devices.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And you can watch on your phone or you can figure out on your computer if you have Wi-Fi.
Marc:But this production usually...
Marc:At base camp, there may be a router for the production office, but that doesn't mean there's going to be a router in your trailer.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:So here's the thing.
Guest:Now you know for the future, it's like you could even take a pay cut if they'll make sure your trailer is equipped with that shit.
Marc:Well, that's what I told Ron today.
Marc:I said, look, I'm not a diva, but I'm going to make sure I've got a TV in there that I can hook up.
Marc:Because it was great.
Marc:I just had a big screen.
Marc:I'd just sit there and I'd be in my trailer for hours and I'd get on set and they're like, what have you been doing?
Marc:I'm halfway through Godfather 2.
Marc:Let's get on with this.
Guest:What does someone like Owen Wilson do?
Guest:Do you compare notes?
Marc:What's his, like, protocol?
Marc:Who the fuck knows what that guy does?
Marc:Like, he had a nicer trailer.
Marc:Like, you know, he had, like, a kitchen in there.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:And, like, it was almost like an apartment.
Marc:I don't really know what he was doing.
Marc:I don't know what people do.
Marc:I do find that a lot of people don't do much of anything.
Marc:Even just being in Vancouver, that whole lesson of, like, because so much of it, it might have to do with the way my brain works.
Marc:I don't like being away from home.
Marc:So like I had to be set, I had to go up there and set up this apartment, which was an apartment.
Marc:And I was cooking and I was doing all the things that I do here, you know, going to Whole Foods, going to like all this talk about ADHD.
Marc:Every time I talk now, I'm like, oh, my God.
Marc:Like, you know, I'm at Whole Foods every two days just because I'm comforted by it and I'm cooking.
Marc:And so I was able to make myself fairly comfortable.
Marc:And I had a gym down the street.
Marc:And that's what matters.
Marc:But a lot of actors, they don't do anything.
Marc:I'm like, what are you doing in town?
Marc:They're like, I don't know.
Marc:And I'm like, did you cook at all?
Marc:No, I didn't cook at all.
Marc:I'm like, I can't live like that.
Guest:But that's the... I mean, you want to talk about the ADHD thing.
Guest:It's the sitting doing nothing is like a torture device for an ADHD person.
Guest:So...
Guest:Not to sit here and diagnose you, but if that's something, as you have said many times, that you go out of your mind sitting in the trailers, that's a thing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, why can't you just read?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:Why can't I just read any time?
Marc:Right, right, right, right.
Marc:you know what I mean?
Marc:If you're not like a guy that's sort of like, I can't wait to get back to my book.
Marc:Like, you don't know, man.
Marc:Anytime I go on the road for any period of time, I'll bring like three books that remain uncracked for the entire time I'm there.
Marc:I had, I brought like, like at least a dozen books to Vancouver thinking like this, I'll finally make the time.
Marc:And I'm like, I'm not going to do that.
Marc:I'm going to watch fucking movies and try to get tested and find the will to go out by myself and
Marc:And, and just, you know, work out or whatever, because when I'm alone in a city, like I'm, I'm going to be alone.
Marc:So that means like, I'm going to force myself, like go out and walk around.
Marc:But then I'm just a guy forcing himself to go out and walk around.
Marc:And I don't know anybody.
Marc:And I'm like, what do I do?
Marc:Walking around.
Marc:I don't really want to go to a bookstore.
Marc:I don't want to go buy clothes.
Marc:What am I, what am I doing?
Marc:I'm going to sit here and do this and like do nothing.
Marc:One time I tried to go out and read on the, it worked out.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:It's just the way I am.
Guest:Well, you wound up doing that show, you come out of that show, and I don't remember, did you have like two weeks before you started doing In Memoriam?
Guest:Yeah, three weeks.
Guest:It felt like it turned around very fast, yeah.
Marc:That worked out, though, in my favor, because I was kind of set ready, and I knew...
Marc:Like, you know, to enter those worlds, I mean, it's a different world being on set and being in that position.
Marc:But like I made them, you know, I kind of pushed them to do that movie in L.A.
Marc:So I knew I didn't have to, you know, I didn't have to sleep not at home.
Marc:And, you know, I knew I could, you know, live my life.
Marc:But...
Marc:But being on set for three months I think definitely helped to just lock into being on another set and getting ready to do it.
Marc:But then I was doing a lot of character work.
Marc:You know, I'd done some work on the –
Marc:on the golf show around character and trying to engage whatever craft I've gleaned from our guests to do the job of an actor, knowing that I have the basic ability to listen and be present, but what's going to make it interesting?
Marc:So when I got to In Memoriam and I really started thinking about that guy, and that was...
Marc:That was a big deal, dude, to do that show, to know I was going to lead a movie, to know that I couldn't get away with just being me, though it was in my wheelhouse, and that this guy had an emotional life that was very thought out.
Marc:The director had a backstory.
Marc:This guy had a backstory.
Marc:And to try to figure out how to integrate all these things and do the job and bring that to the table with it and also be a gracious...
Marc:Actor in a lead position.
Marc:So, you know, I didn't make it miserable for everybody.
Marc:But when you're in every scene, you're you're you're there's no downtime.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So, you know, and I got to go in tomorrow to do this last bit.
Marc:Oh, right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You got to shave again and do the Kimmel thing.
Guest:Well, so that's interesting because like you, you know, rely when it was what it was like a compressed, like what, 20 day shoot.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's 20 days.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's nuts.
Guest:I mean, you definitely plowed through it.
Guest:Um, and you're involved with it the whole time.
Guest:Um, I think we did minimal amounts of interviews as it was going on, but you, you know, it's just funny in that kind of harried, um, more intense shooting schedule.
Guest:I felt like you were much more at ease even when I needed you to like, you know,
Guest:slam two interviews or something, it was easier for you to pull off than it was when you were, you know, in from Vancouver for a weekend.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, because I didn't have to regroup with my life.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Do you know, like, I'm fine with being busy as fuck, but also, like,
Marc:You know, I was used to, like, I had shot Marin in the same way.
Marc:You know, and that was a long time ago before I think I was, you know, as comfortable as I am on a set.
Marc:So, like, I knew, you know, going into that, you know, this, like, you know, 10 to 15-page days every day that, you know, I had done that before.
Marc:You know, and I had the...
Marc:I had the muscle memory for it.
Marc:So that wasn't too daunting.
Marc:But yeah, but but I was home.
Marc:So when I was home, I was home, you know, and I just kind of, you know, did my work around the script.
Marc:And, you know, there's a lot of things that become a little more comfortable once you start stop beating the shit out of yourself.
Marc:Like, you know, you know, you're going to do the work the day of or the night before and figure it out, you know.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, those are those were the things that were the backdrop for kind of your year, which is interesting.
Guest:It really was the first year in a long time that I can think of where you weren't intensely touring.
Guest:I mean, you did some dates you earlier in the spring, you know, some of your your dates in the on the East Coast.
Marc:We had to postpone them.
Guest:But yeah, you wound up postponing a lot of the ones from the summer and the fall.
Guest:You didn't really embark on a full tour.
Guest:It was mostly these other projects.
Guest:Kind of back to the days when you were doing Marin.
Guest:Like it felt like that.
Marc:Yes, exactly.
Marc:But thank God for you.
Marc:Because like when I go into these things because of my brain, I'm like, how are we going to do the interview?
Marc:And you're always like, we've done it before.
Marc:We're going to figure it out.
Marc:I'm like, boom.
Marc:I'm not going to be, I'm not going to.
Guest:But that was even, even your manager, David, you know, asked me about logistics.
Guest:And I was like, if we can have X number of days, like on a schedule, then that's fine.
Guest:We've done that before.
Guest:Like we can, we can make things work.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's the problem with my brain is like, I never really take into consideration that we've done it before.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, not only not take into consideration, I'm not sure you really remember it, you know?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Because everything happens in such a, you know, there's an intensity to everything.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:I wouldn't call it trauma, but it's like the entire time we were at Air America.
Marc:I don't have any fucking memories of that shit.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Because it's very rare for me because like I was, you know, like barely, I don't know what kind of fuel I was running on.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I, I noticed that even with myself sometimes when I'll, I'll see like some old email or old text that like, you know, you ever get like a text from somebody you haven't texted with in years?
Guest:Like, and, and you're like, well, what the hell was this last text?
Guest:Like you see up and it's like, I said that to this person.
Guest:Like I can't, I had no memory of it, you know?
Marc:In 2018.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And it was like something that I had to like, it was like, Hey, no, listen, we can't do that.
Guest:Like, and I'm like, wow, I was insistent.
Guest:I'm like,
Guest:I had no memory of it.
Guest:Like you would think you'd remember I was talking pretty sternly to this person.
Marc:No, you don't, dude.
Marc:You don't like people tell me things like I did.
Marc:And I'm like, no, I didn't.
Marc:And then I have to sit there and dig, you'll find like, you know, triggers to the memories that just happened when I went to New Mexico.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:You know, and I'd like to think it's like because I was so anxious about it that the cortisol like is almost trauma level.
Marc:And you just kind of it's in a different zone in your brain and you want to kind of bury it.
Marc:I think it might be this.
Marc:Yeah, it might be something else.
Marc:I just I don't think you and I realize maybe you do, but like.
Marc:The frequent when you're self-employed and you're also like a worker, you just you're always operating at that fucking level.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Guest:And I think we have figured out a way to manage it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it's a schedule we can keep.
Guest:But when it when something else gets injected into it, you're like, where am I going to find the time?
Guest:Like, I already do this thing all the time.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And then you do it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like, it's just not until the last year or so where I've been like, fuck, dude.
Marc:I'm tired.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I can't.
Marc:I feel it, too.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's nuts.
Marc:And, you know...
Marc:And then whatever we're going to be dealing with.
Marc:Like, and now my tour that I rescheduled, it's almost, it might as well be called, you know, Marin does the red states.
Marc:So I don't even know.
Marc:I mean, did you look at those dates, dude?
Marc:You mean like your Oklahoma and Texas and all that?
Yeah.
Marc:Kansas, South Carolina, Iowa.
Marc:I mean, it's like in like six months ago or not even or like, you know, I was telling my manager, like, depending on what happens with the election, I don't know if I'm going to even be able to go to those places.
Guest:because of anxiety well now i don't know somehow i've shifted but yeah i think i think in a weird way it's like the the things you were probably nervous about there were would have been worse in a in a in a situation where uh the people were approaching it from an adversarial point of view now anyone there you're concerned about they fucking won they're like god great what am i worrying about now not not politics we won politics
Marc:That's right.
Marc:It's just going to be my frightened bunch.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Marc:All huddled in the Des Moines Center.
Marc:It's a safe space tour.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, I do notice that when I look through the list of guests we had this year, it was by design a lot more return guests.
Guest:And I think-
Guest:Partially that helps when your schedule is so harried.
Guest:It helps to kind of ease in with someone you've already talked to.
Guest:But I also noticed that there are just people who we'd have on who are kind of comforting to you.
Guest:Bobby Lee and you have a very comforting vibe together.
Guest:And I think you both enjoy each other.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:He's so funny because he...
Marc:He's like, he has an idea of me that is real to him, and I'm sure it's real.
Marc:But like, you know, anytime I see him, he's like, what's the matter with you?
Marc:Everything's good.
Marc:Everything's good.
Marc:You know, and I'm like, what are you yelling at me?
Marc:Like...
Guest:He wants you to, he's trying to encourage you to be happier.
Guest:Is that what it is?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Kind of.
Marc:Or, or to give myself credit.
Marc:I see.
Marc:For, for like, cause he, every time I see him, he's like, dude, I, I would not have the job I have without you.
Marc:Like he's one of the only guys I know that consistently thanks me for what I brought to the medium.
Marc:Oh, that's fun.
Marc:That's nice.
Marc:Cause, cause he's like, you know, you did it.
Marc:You did it.
Marc:None of us would have jobs without you.
Marc:Oh, that is very nice.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:And he's like, why don't you... And I tell him what I'm doing.
Marc:He's like, dude, you're doing it.
Marc:You're... Not one, but he's like, you're doing all the things.
Marc:And I'm like, all right.
Guest:That episode, it was one of... You have one of the most vicious burns of him.
Guest:And...
Guest:And it's very funny because there was something, you know, you were talking about earlier with him and he was saying like, you know, that you sometimes get angry at him on stage because, and he's like, well, what is it you said to me the one time that, that I come out with like a lot of energy and, and I'm a big clown.
Guest:And you were like, like, I must've been some way you introduced him and you kind of like, you know, we're explaining that to him or whatever you guys did.
Guest:Started talking about things later.
Guest:And he's like, no, but see, I'm the kind of guy.
Guest:I do this or that.
Guest:And you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:You do the energy thing.
Guest:You know, the clowning.
Guest:He's like, you motherfucker.
Guest:You fucking, you asshole.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I enjoy, I mean, it was, that was on display too with your talk with John Oliver.
Guest:That's another guy who like,
Guest:just enjoys your company enjoys getting busted on by you is like is is is lit up by the volley that he's able to have with you that you could tell he's like oh i don't have this with everybody i got him good too didn't i it was a similar thing it was it was uh he was talking about going out on tour with like seth myers and then you were like oh okay q a and he was like q a you fuck
Guest:I think he said the Q&A, the cowards hour.
Marc:But he's a guy, like, because I think people forget that he did do comedy.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And he's not in the world where he's talking to them anymore.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So when he gets into the down and dirty back and forth with a comic, like, he can get there.
Marc:He knows the language.
Guest:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:Well, it's, you know, the other guy who I know jumps out at me in the interviews he did this year, in the talks he had this year, who has a similar dynamic with you and is not a comic is Josh Brolin, which is just like a weird thing because it's like he is like that.
Guest:He's just this like charm.
Guest:charming dude and is like a guy who knows how to be a celebrity.
Guest:But for some reason, you and him are on a similar wavelength that it makes it different.
Guest:It's different listening to him with you than it is with him with the smart list dudes.
Marc:Yeah, I don't know what it is.
Marc:But it is a thing that...
Marc:You know, I think character-wise, we're different guys, obviously.
Marc:You know, he's kind of a badass.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But the core of him is there's something relatable there.
Marc:And I don't know what it is, but after I was excited to have him on, and I liked having him on the first time because I got a kick out of him, and I thought we gelled well.
Marc:But then when I started watching him on other shows, I'm like, oh, he does this with everybody.
Marc:He's just one of these guys.
Yeah.
Marc:That has this ability to do that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, it's obviously there's more specifics to your personality and your background that, you know, allow him to kind of find some other connection points that he doesn't with other people.
Marc:But it's one of those things where like, you know, like I had him on because I feel close to the guy for whatever reason.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And and then after all that talk about Zins and I told him about this one.
Marc:Smoke shop that we can get the flavored ones here, which are illegal.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And, you know, when we're walking out, I'm like, well, what's your number?
Marc:I'll text you that place.
Marc:So he gives me the number and I texted to him and I'd never heard back from him.
Marc:And it bothers me.
Marc:Like, cause now I'm like, is that even a real phone?
Marc:Is that just one of those phones they have to give out the number to idiots?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Or, yeah, it's his assistant's phone.
Guest:His assistant was like, oh, Josh, I got a Zin's place for you.
Guest:That should have been your job, too.
Guest:You were going to be his assistant in your fantasy.
Marc:Yeah, because I'm a – but he put you the wrong guy.
Marc:That was my errands thing.
Marc:Like, I like running errands.
Marc:Maybe I should shift to be – because the idea is, like, you know, I don't have an assistant because I like to do my own errands.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And then I thought, like, well, maybe I should be an assistant.
Marc:Maybe Josh Brolin's – but that would be, like, you know, could you saddle up the horse?
Yeah.
Guest:Which I don't think he is a horse guy.
Guest:I mean, he can ride a horse, obviously, but like, I don't know that he's a real like, he's not a cowboy.
Marc:He's one of those guys.
Marc:Like, you know, it's like, you know, the primary difference between me and other guys is, like, there are guys that like to hang around guys, and then there are guys that just hang around by themselves.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I'm that guy.
Marc:Like, I'm not the, you know, I was talking about that with Bobby, too, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:About, like, yeah, Andrew Santino.
Marc:It's like, yeah, I went up with a few guys, and Bobby's like, I don't know what that is.
Yeah.
Guest:I'm just not that guy.
Guest:Well, another thing that always jumps out when I look at the list of guests is whenever we have certain people on who are just tremendous storytellers.
Guest:And we had our fair share this year.
Guest:We always do.
Guest:And I'm not leaving any names out for any reason here.
Guest:But the ones that did jump out at me personally that I thought were such great story episodes were, well, for one, Malcolm McDowell.
Guest:That guy, he just loves telling stories, man.
Yeah.
Marc:That is a heartwarming thing, you know, and I think we had talked about it as well, just that these guys are real guys, you know, and, you know, my approach to that guy, you know, which I kind of come upon day of usually is just that.
Marc:The key to that interview, I think, was realizing that he was the next wave after that first new wave of British actors, you know, that really got known in the 70s and 80s.
Marc:And because...
Marc:England is a small town in a way.
Marc:He had to have been around for all that.
Marc:And that was really the doorway into him sharing that stuff.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Those youthful experiences of that other generation of actor that were around.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, Olivier and stuff.
Yeah.
Marc:Isn't he the one that talked about Olivier?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Oh, sure.
Guest:He had that crazy story about the trucker recognizing him, but not Olivier.
Marc:And I just knew that that was where to go.
Marc:And he was just so thrilled.
Marc:They don't get to talk anymore.
Marc:No one gets to talk anymore, but people that shouldn't be talking.
Guest:that's well and and you know he's not one of these guys that is um you know is is wallowing in that stuff it's it's like he's lived a life he seems totally happy with like the way he's worked in like you know stuff for the last 40 years he gets jobs they're not like yeah totally memorable but he seems fine he's like a happy guy to work but
Guest:Because of that, he's able to access with pretty, you know, startling clarity these things from his past and these, you know, nice moments, essentially, that he can tell stories about.
Marc:He was so thrilled at the end of it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And that was also another realization that probably happened this year is that there are these actors, these character actors and just, you know, great actors that just want to work.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And, you know, because it's real easy...
Marc:As a layman to think like, you know, well, they really haven't done anything.
Marc:They do a lot of these shitty movies.
Marc:It's like they're working.
Marc:Right.
Marc:They're actors.
Marc:They're like, it's not about the project most of the time, especially at a certain level.
Marc:You just want to keep working.
Marc:And it really comes down to like, you know, how long am I going to be away?
Marc:What am I going to do?
Marc:And you can't, you know, judge them for that just because you haven't seen anything.
Marc:you know, half their movies.
Marc:Right.
Marc:They probably haven't either.
Marc:True.
Marc:The sort of reality of that, of them knowing that, and that just being the gig kind of changed my whole perception of that job.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know?
Marc:It's like, because we're so busy, like, God, he's done a lot of shit.
Marc:It's like, he was just doing, he didn't want to be at home.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And maybe he wanted to have a job.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Who fucking cares?
Marc:Like, Owen Wilson's never seen anything he's ever been in.
Guest:Yeah, Jesse Eisenberg was just saying that to you, too.
Guest:In fact, he said he actively avoids it because he can't watch it.
Marc:I don't know what the deal is with Owen, but boy, that moment when I was watching Owen Wilson movies in my trailer when I was working with Owen Wilson.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I re-watched Tenenbaums.
Marc:Is that it?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And then I watched Inherent Vice, and I'm like, that character was, that was an interesting movie.
Marc:What was it like working on that?
Marc:He's like, I didn't understand any of it.
Yeah.
Marc:Which is so perfect for that character.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:That's exactly what he shouldn't have understood it.
Marc:He casted the guy perfectly.
Marc:Paul Thomas Anderson made the right casting call.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:You know, another guy who told a lot of great stories was Ed O'Neill.
Guest:And that was another one where you're like, oh, this guy, he just, he's had a life.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:It's all full of stuff.
Marc:Those guys who had lives before they started acting, like, you know, they were working guys in one thing or another, that's always the most interesting.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's like Michael Rooker.
Marc:It's like, what the fuck?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:His weren't, like, stories other than about him, but, like, what a fucking story.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That was crazy.
Marc:It was crazy.
Marc:The whole thing.
Marc:It's like driving a bus.
Yeah.
Marc:He's driving a fucking bus.
Guest:And then when he gets into acting, he's still got that.
Guest:Like, that's what makes him successful as an actor because he's still got the edge of all that stuff.
Marc:Like, that didn't go away.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But in a kinder way.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I didn't get the feeling Ed O'Neill had a chip on his shoulder.
Marc:You know, Michael Rooker, I was half frightened the entire interview.
Marc:I think he survives on that.
Marc:He loves it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You're just looking at that guy.
Marc:You're like, oh, my God.
Marc:Don't hurt me.
Guest:Well, the ones that really jumped out at me as like very memorable, like I'm projecting a little bit here.
Guest:I feel like these were memorable to you.
Guest:And you tell me if they were or weren't.
Guest:And maybe they sparked something else about other talks you had.
Guest:But I felt like you got a lot out of these ones.
Guest:And in particular, if I go back into the spring, at first, when you talked to Rodrigo Prieto, I feel like that was...
Guest:a kind of filmmaking talk you hadn't really done.
Guest:Even when you've talked to directors, like it was a, it was a, a different lens from which to, and pun intended from which to appreciate a filmmaking.
Marc:Well, yeah, because those guys are the real wizards and we had not talked to a cinematographer before.
Marc:But they're the guys.
Marc:Cinematographers and editors are the ones that are doing 80 percent of the work in relation to what you're watching.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Really.
Marc:You know, a director is a steward and there's a vision.
Marc:But the guys that realize that vision.
Marc:are the cinematographers and the editors.
Marc:And we haven't talked to an editor, and that might be an interesting thing to do.
Marc:I know.
Guest:I've tried all the time to have you talk to Thelma Schoonmaker, Martin Scorsese's editor, but it hasn't happened yet.
Guest:I really would like to make that happen.
Marc:They're the geniuses, dude.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, because, like, they take all this stuff, you know, like the script supervisors making notes,
Marc:based on the director's feelings about takes.
Marc:And then, you know, once everything is shot, you know, the director just gives it all to an editor to do a first pass.
Marc:So, you know, and I don't know how often that is the defining pass in terms of what you're working with, but they put the movie together.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, based on, you know, the impulses of the director, you know, conveyed through the script supervisor.
Marc:And like...
Marc:It's crazy, but Prieto was like – that whole thing was mind-blowing because there's a real artistry and poetry to what he's doing, to what he's bringing to the look of a movie.
Marc:And it was so deep and it was so – and I think what I came out of with that is like I got to watch that again at least once or twice because what was at the core of his –
Marc:decisions of his vision were so, you know, insanely inspired and, but there's no fucking way you're going to notice any of it.
Guest:Well, and this was, you know, he was talking about two movies essentially because this was during the Oscars and, you know, he was the cinematographer for both Killers of the Flower Moon and Barbie, which I think also was a great time to get him in his life.
Guest:You know, when he had done these two disparate movies and,
Guest:and put his stamp on both of them.
Guest:That was a great time to actually speak to him.
Marc:Oh, it was great.
Marc:Yeah, that was a mind blower.
Guest:Well, and that was a similar time.
Guest:I think we might've even done it a couple of days next to each other was when you talked to Lily Gladstone, which I feel like was a very memorable talk, not just because it was a good talk and she's an engaging person, but you wound up having her take a role in In Memoriam, largely because you got to know her through that talk.
Marc:Well, this has been the interesting thing, too, lately that I've noticed about my experience versus their experience in terms of what happens in this room or the old garage even.
Marc:is that, you know, for me, these are, you know, I feel close to the people 98% of the time after we've talked.
Marc:Like, I feel that we've established a bond that, you know, should be lasting in a way.
Yeah.
Marc:So it's just the nature of this, these types of conversations.
Marc:And with her, yeah, I mean, it was it was it was great.
Marc:And I think I afforded her a lot of space and took her to places conversationally that she had not done before publicly and and just got to know her as a person.
Marc:And then, you know, she came to see me when I was in Vancouver and I did a show up there at the Vogue and she was in town shooting something.
Marc:And then we ended up having dinner and she had told me she wanted to do a comedy.
Marc:So when Rob Burnett, the writer director of In Memoriam, was like, we haven't got somebody for the...
Marc:for the therapist yet.
Marc:And you have any ideas?
Marc:I'm like, well, Lily Gladstone wants to do comedy.
Marc:And so I just, I texted her and I sent her the script.
Marc:I said, if you want to do comedy, I'm doing this.
Marc:And we need this person to do this part.
Marc:And she, you know, within a week, she was like, I'm in, you know.
Marc:That's great.
Marc:Same with Sharon Stone.
Marc:Sharon Stone,
Marc:Even though I talked to her years ago, you know, well, I mean, it was a little different with her.
Marc:Like, you know, after Lynn died, she had DM me a couple of times on Instagram.
Marc:But but apparently, you know, we have the same representation.
Marc:And they asked her about, you know, the possibility of her doing in memoriam.
Marc:And she said yes, just by virtue of me being in it.
Marc:She hadn't even read the script.
Marc:Because she knew what is a day's work and whatever, but she was like on board because of that.
Marc:And there was a lot of goodwill around that stuff.
Marc:I think Alan Ruck too.
Marc:I think that knowing me, however they know me, did play a part in them, their willingness to do it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, like they're like, oh, yeah, Marc Maron.
Marc:And I just it's very weird who because I never know after I have these conversations, you know, whether these celebrities, whoever they are, are going to walk back into the world and just be like, you know, they did another interview or whatever, or they're going to connect with me, you know, for for the long haul.
Marc:But like I went to Sarah Silverman's party.
Marc:You know, not too long ago.
Marc:And Goldblum was there.
Marc:And it's been years since I talked to that guy.
Marc:I haven't seen him.
Marc:But when I saw him, I'm like, hey.
Marc:And he's like, hey.
Marc:You know, he was like, hugs.
Marc:What's going on?
Marc:Like, no distance between us.
Marc:And I'm like, and that, you know, that doesn't happen with everybody.
Marc:But it's so, it's great when it happens with the guys that I feel, like Knoxville, too.
Marc:And he's like, you know.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:He's like, wow, what's going on, man?
Marc:They talk to me like we just finished the interview.
Guest:I've pointed this out to you before.
Guest:There are many people who, when they get to the end of the interview, they're like, this has been so fun.
Guest:That's rare for them.
Guest:They don't get that a lot.
Guest:You know this.
Guest:You are in their position a lot where you do an interview and you're like,
Guest:all right, whatever that was, you know, then you'll meet somebody years from now and they're like, oh, I interviewed you during this or that.
Guest:And it's like, no slide on them, but they were doing like a print interview and it's not going to be memorable.
Marc:Just one of thousands that you do.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, yeah, well, I mean, some people, like I ran into Joe Walsh.
Marc:I don't think he had any idea that, you know, maybe even about yesterday, but, uh, poor Joe Walsh.
Yeah.
Marc:No, he's all right.
Marc:But I wanted him to remember.
Marc:But he's a great guy.
Marc:But where did we do that one?
Marc:Was that here?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:That was a long time ago.
Marc:No, no, no.
Marc:Oh, no.
Marc:It was in Highland Park.
Marc:And it was like.
Marc:Well, then that's a long time for anybody.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:It was like, I think, close to 10 years ago.
Marc:Oh, well, then, you know, he's forgiven.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But yeah, but there's definitely people that, like, I remember running into Jack White.
Marc:at some point, you know, in an airport.
Marc:And I'm like, I don't know.
Marc:He's gonna, you know.
Marc:And I'm like, hey, Jack, Mark, I interviewed you once.
Marc:He's like, yeah, man, of course.
Marc:I remember.
Marc:And I'm like, oh, okay, good.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, that makes sense to me.
Guest:Especially, you know, you went to him.
Guest:So why wouldn't he remember that?
Marc:Yeah, I don't know, because I don't remember shit.
Marc:I guess.
Marc:And, you know, he's had a big life and a big career.
Marc:And, like, he's been interviewed a lot by a lot of different people.
Marc:But I forget that there was a—it may still be cachet to what we were doing.
Marc:It was still a unique thing.
Marc:And that, like, that eats my ass a bit these days.
Marc:It's like everyone's doing long-form interviews now.
Marc:And it's just like—and they're all like no one ever shuts up anymore.
Marc:Everybody's talking.
Marc:So I'm like—
Marc:Do they still remember mine?
Marc:Like, I'm the guy.
Guest:Well, I will say that we often get feedback after the fact where people are like, you know, the reps write to me and they're like, whoever was in there was, you know, who they're representing was like gushing.
Guest:That was great.
Guest:I loved it.
Guest:One of the people who did that was Al Pacino.
Guest:which I think, you know, to you was also a tremendous moment to have that happen.
Guest:And he loved it.
Guest:You guys talked for a long time, you know, to the point where he was even surprised that like you were, he thought you were wrapping up because you had to go somewhere, but you were just like, Oh no, we're just talking so long.
Guest:I figured you had to go.
Yeah.
Marc:I always love that.
Marc:When you talk to someone for an hour and a half, they're like, that's it?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, no, it doesn't have to be.
Marc:He was so funny, man.
Marc:It's just so funny seeing him in his little black overcoat, a little hunched over, a little Al Pacino coming in the house, talking to my girlfriend like, hey, baby, how you doing?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:He was funny.
Guest:I always wonder which guy is he when he's doing that.
Guest:It's like, is he the devil guy from The Devil's Advocate?
Is he...
Marc:I don't know who he is because the way he talks about himself, you'd think it's amazing he even gets out of the house.
Marc:But he seems to like to engage, at least now.
Guest:You said the same thing to me after that interview, after you talked to him, that you just said about Malcolm McDowell.
Guest:You were like, I don't think this guy gets to talk this way to people.
Guest:He enjoyed what he was saying because he doesn't get to do it much.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And yeah.
Marc:And it kind of, you know, I did notice, too, that some of these older dudes that write these books, they kind of get, you know, get themselves up to speed with the stories in the book.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And when you get a little off track, they're like, you know.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Like something that's important to you that they weren't thinking about because it's just not on their radar.
Guest:They don't have that story ready to go.
Marc:Yeah, you know, and I know I'm still very sensitive to the fact like I just really don't have the instincts of, you know, digging through the garbage.
Marc:You know, I don't like, you know, the way kind of stern kind of, you know, somewhat empathetically, but but forcefully brings up shit that's going to yield, you know, that moment of discomfort.
Marc:I just don't I don't have that in me.
Guest:Yeah, and I think it's not your style, and you're better for it.
Guest:I don't mean you're better than Stern.
Guest:I just mean you, Marc Maron, are better to have that for yourself.
Guest:If you went the other way, it would feel forced.
Guest:I can tell you, there was one time you did it, and it tanked an otherwise good interview.
Guest:And I think that guy got kind of pissed off, was Jason Sudeikis.
Guest:You were like...
Guest:prompted by your girlfriend at the time to ask him something about the paternity of January Jones' baby.
Guest:And he was totally taken aback by that and did not enjoy it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I don't remember that, but I believe you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, it just was one of those things where it's not, it was not natural for you to do.
Guest:You don't typically do that kind of thing.
Guest:And, you know, I think it was like something, you know, this was Jessica at the time who like, she was probably reading about it in the gossip magazines.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It was like, you should ask him about this.
Guest:And you did.
Guest:And he was like, he was flummoxed and, you know, it was, it came at the end of like a conversation.
Guest:There was nothing like that.
Guest:Right.
Marc:So,
Marc:Yeah, I kind of remember those decisions where like, you know, I and also sometimes I think like, well, maybe I should do a little of that.
Marc:And it's never good.
Guest:No, yeah, because I remember kind of mentally circling that to be like, well, hey, there's a reason why we don't do that.
Guest:Yeah, because it's not what we do.
Guest:I should mention, just based on seeing the list of shows we did this year, people who we had on in the past who died this year, and it was Wayne Kramer, Richard Lewis, and Bob Newhart.
Guest:All guys with big lives, I think it's fair to say.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, that Lewis one hit me pretty hard.
Marc:Of course.
Marc:As the life goes on, I find him to have been more important to me comedically than most people.
Marc:And, you know, I just identified with him.
Marc:And I was happy that I had done his show pretty shortly before he died, really.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But it was sad.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Because, you know, he's a guy that was so lit up about fear and neurosis and, you know, and all this stuff.
Marc:And, you know, he and he really was not he was having a very hard time accepting.
Marc:You know, his collapse.
Guest:And you were seeing that in real time.
Guest:Like, it wasn't like a thing that was distant.
Guest:And then you heard about it later, like when he had died.
Guest:Oh, he was struggling with Parkinson's or whatever.
Marc:You were, you know, privy to it.
Marc:You saw it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And when I talked to him on his show, you know, I said to him, because he's a guy that, you know, whether or not, you know, he just always had to be doing comedy.
Marc:Because it meant a lot to him, you know, comedy.
Marc:And not because he was selling tickets or anything.
Marc:He just, you know, he was a real, what do you call it, dyed-in-the-wool stand-up guy.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, in an old-school way.
Marc:But not in the entertainer way, but in the, you know, comedy is life way.
Guest:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:And, you know, when I talked to him on his podcast, you know, I said to him, you know, look, you know, if you if you feel the need to get on stage, we can do this on stage.
Marc:I'll just sit up there with you and we'll work through ideas.
Marc:You know, I'll just set you up.
Marc:And, you know, he was you know, he was thankful about it.
Marc:But I just think he couldn't muster up the the the energy or or.
Marc:or, um, whatever it took, I don't want to say courage to, to be as physically compromised as he was and, and, and do, do, do shows, you know?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And so it was very sad.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I, I'm sure it hit Larry pretty hard too.
Guest:I know he said that, you know, he wasn't, he didn't, especially when you did the stage show, uh, you know, with, with Larry David, he, he didn't want to do, he didn't want to
Guest:get into Richard.
Guest:I think it was too hard for him.
Marc:We talked a little bit about it, though, didn't we, when he was on?
Guest:A little, yeah, but you could tell he was still... He was guarding himself.
Guest:I think it was still too fresh.
Marc:He's very nervous about, you know, having that vulnerability.
Marc:I mean, I think that's part of his comedy, but it's also part of his emotional being.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:That he doesn't want to be...
Marc:He doesn't want to expose his, he just doesn't want to be in the position where, you know, there's that discomfort of exposure of feelings, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, I mean, you know, people were very happy to hear you and him finally talk on the show.
Guest:I think it was something they'd been looking forward to a long time, you and Larry David.
Guest:And I wonder, maybe you can put me on the spot and make sure I, you know, get out there and get cracking on the pavement here.
Guest:But is there anyone that you really want on the show as we enter the new year?
Guest:Is there anyone that you're like, why haven't I talked to this person yet?
Guest:Or someone you're just, you know, newly interested in talking to?
Marc:Well, who are the people that I keep bothering you about?
Guest:I have I feel like we've had them all on.
Guest:So that's part of the issue.
Guest:Like there's we've we've gotten as basically as many of the people of the wish list that are going to that you're going to get outside of like Bob Dylan and Tom Waits.
Guest:So, you know, everybody else.
Marc:I don't know why we can't like, you know, there there are big actors that have had big careers.
Marc:like Meryl Streep, that I think would be interesting to talk to as a human in terms of all the different levels she operates on.
Marc:There's other directors that we haven't really been able to get
Guest:that that's those are always good conversations yeah you know i don't i don't necessarily you know we just don't get them on the list of people that are around yeah and i always kind of feel like sometimes when like when spielberg was out doing stuff for the fable and i was like if he's not going to do it for this then we're never going to get him because like this is the this is the one movie if anything he should feel like he could talk about himself
Guest:I don't know why am I not on his radar is it like what you know like I don't know why that couldn't happen he fucking lives here yeah I think it's one of those things like a guy like him it's not it's just not a reg it's not a it's not a thing he jumps at doing I mean even that movie didn't really let you know who he really is
Marc:No, that's true.
Marc:There might be something, but I, I, a lot of times I like, I, I, I don't, I don't always believe that it's because like, no, Marin does this thing where you got to go deep or whatever.
Marc:I just, I don't, I don't, I just don't think it's a, you know, been really placed in front of them as something to do, you know?
Marc:Maybe.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But there's definitely people that we haven't talked to.
Marc:And some of them are like, Kit was, is like, just like dying for me to do David Lynch, but he doesn't do anything.
Marc:That's hard now because he's got the emphysema and I don't think he leaves the house.
Marc:I know, but he doesn't do much anyways.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And I'm not even sure what kind of interview that would be.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:You know?
Guest:Yeah, well, when you read interviews of him, which is, you know, the way I've experienced like full Q&As with him is he won't say much deliberately, you know?
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:It's like him and Harry Dean Stanton.
Marc:Like, it's just like, oh my God.
Yeah.
Marc:I'm sure they enjoyed sitting around with each other.
Marc:Smoking.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Sitting around smoking.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, I will try to work my magic on David Lynch, but I make no promises.
Guest:I think we probably have better luck with some directors that we haven't had, or maybe even Meryl Streep.
Guest:Meryl Streep's an East Coaster, but I don't know.
Guest:Doesn't she date Martin Short now?
Guest:We should work that channel.
Marc:Well, that's like, you know, that's one of those questions I wouldn't necessarily ask.
Marc:It's true.
Marc:It seems like something's happening according to whatever.
Marc:And Steve Martin's another guy.
Marc:But like, it's weird.
Marc:There's certain people, no matter how big they are and how amazing they should be, where I'm like, I don't know.
Marc:I don't know if that would be fun.
Guest:you know well we you know i think steve martin you've kind of like been uh you know a little wary of ever since we got that notice that he only wanted to talk about banjo and it's like banjo yeah i think that was not about not because of you but it was because of experiences he had had recently you know prior to that and i don't know that that would be the same case now but he also doesn't ever seem like he's jumping at it
Marc:No, I mean, and some of them just feel like they don't need to.
Marc:But like you said, Newhart passed away, and that was not unexpected, but I'm glad we had that interview.
Marc:That was a pretty special interview.
Guest:That's my ultimate pitch to any of these people, particularly people in the world of comedy.
Guest:It's like, can we get you into the historical record of this show?
Guest:Because I feel like it's important.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, there's a couple we missed.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Well, I just told you the other day, we got a question about whether or not you'd be up for Damon Wayans.
Guest:So I hope that that one can happen.
Marc:I love Damon Wayans.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Because I used to watch him when I was a doorman.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:At the comedy store.
Marc:You'd see the jazz set.
Marc:The jazz.
Marc:He was funny, dude.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:He was so fucking funny.
Marc:We have interviewed a lot of people, though.
Guest:It has been a lot.
Guest:We are posting this and are two shows away from episode 1600.
Guest:So that's where we sit at the end of 2024.
Guest:I got to say, although it's been very busy, I look at the quality of what we're doing here and I'm still always very impressed by us, Mark.
Guest:I think we have continued to maintain our high standards and I don't think that's a cheap thing in this day and age.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:And I, you know, you know, with your sort of intuitive talent and your angle of it.
Marc:And then when I like I think the thing that we possess is that, you know, most of the time.
Marc:Whatever happens in here is a real thing, you know, and it gets to a real place.
Marc:And I don't think either of us really know what to expect.
Marc:And I certainly don't go into these things, you know, thinking I understand anything or really know what to expect.
Marc:And because of that, there's a freshness to it.
Marc:always with almost everybody that comes in here.
Marc:And so like, there's still this sort of a feeling of, of discovery and genuine human moments and, and surprises that, that happens from people.
Marc:You know, you don't, you just don't, when you don't have expectations, it's really, it keeps you going, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, we will keep it going and, and we're, we're thankful to all of you who are here subscribing and we will be here for you in the new year.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Good deal.