BONUS The Friday Show - Holiday Movie Second Chances
Guest:oh, this is supposedly one of the worst movies ever made.
Guest:And I remember watching it.
Guest:I didn't have any great love for it, but I didn't think it was one of the worst movies I ever saw.
Guest:Like any movie where you laugh a couple of times, like does not count as one of the worst movies.
Marc:Exactly.
Guest:Hey, Chris.
Guest:Hey, Brandon.
Guest:I ain't a pretty boy no more.
Marc:Yeah, you got, what's all this shit on your face?
Guest:Yeah, you could call it that.
Guest:Yeah, it's a contusion, I guess you would call it.
Guest:How'd that come about?
Guest:Contusion about my head and nose.
Guest:I fell down the stairs.
Guest:Like comedy?
Guest:Like the guy in Sesame Street with all the pies?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:yes yes it was you know it's so funny because like it's not funny at all frankly i could have died but like it is it was like a thing that just like a toddler could do it like they just like trip and slip and fall and you're like oh okay go pick that kid up it's like when that happens to a grown-up
Guest:It's like this just ridiculous, like chaos boulder falling from the sky.
Guest:Like, like every, like a person falling down the stairs is like the, like Indiana Jones boulder.
Guest:So yeah, like I fell down, my hands were full.
Guest:I had a laptop in one hand.
Guest:I had a glass of water and a bunch of papers in the other.
Guest:So completely not grabbing anything.
Guest:So I fell down the stairs, feet completely out from under me.
Guest:And I face planted on the arm of a love seat that's at the bottom of the stairs, like stopped full force with my face.
Guest:Holy shit.
Guest:Into the, into the thing.
Guest:Um,
Guest:uh it is a miracle i did not break my nose because it hit me straight in the forehead and nose which is why everything you're looking at is red did the glass break no glass did not break water was everywhere but glass did not break because i think that was my mentality was like i i don't remember thinking about anything but i did try to like keep those two things aloft but in doing so i impaled my face so
Guest:Like I was like, these things are in the sky.
Guest:My face is here.
Marc:So your laptop, totally fine.
Guest:That was my wife's laptop too.
Guest:So like that needed to be fine.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:Holy shit.
Marc:Oh man, that is such a earth shattering moment.
Marc:It's a humbling moment.
Marc:I know, man.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:You've had that happen.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I've fallen down my stairs and it is so humbling.
Marc:Like this, this whole thing that I take for granted of literally walking downstairs could be taken out in a second.
Guest:It's like there's no gravity all of a sudden.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Same thing.
Guest:Like I'd have the same reaction.
Guest:Like, wait a minute.
Marc:That's just supposed to be safe.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:This thing I do hundreds of thousands of times is now not safe.
Marc:And now I am, I am like thinking about walking downstairs like a lunatic.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Dawn, you know, she broke her ankle like a year and a half ago.
Guest:And she is now like that just walking.
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:When she walks, she's,
Guest:She is always looking at the ground because she just broke her ankle walking on the sidewalk and did not particularly trip over anything.
Guest:It was just like some mildly uneven ground.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So like she's just like, oh, guess I now just have to look everywhere that I'm walking.
Marc:Right.
Marc:It's earth changing, honestly.
Marc:It's like her whole world is now different.
Guest:You know what else is a thing that you learn about with this?
Guest:Like, I guess not everybody.
Guest:I guess some people have been in this situation before, but maybe you haven't either.
Guest:Have you ever been punched in the face, like square in the face?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:You have?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I've gotten into fights.
Guest:Me too.
Guest:But I've never been punched square in the face.
Guest:Like I had an older brother.
Guest:We beat the shit out of each other.
Guest:He wrecked me a lot, you know, but it's like punches would go like to the head.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, like side of the head in the back.
Guest:Has anyone squared up Mike Tyson style and punched you square in the face, like fist to your nose?
Guest:Right.
Marc:No, I've done it to someone with like a roll of quarters in my hand.
Marc:That was wild.
Marc:Jesus Christ.
Marc:I was in like sixth grade.
Marc:Give me a break.
Marc:In sixth grade?
Marc:With a roll of quarters?
Marc:You know what?
Marc:I think it was pennies, actually.
Marc:I think it was a roll of pennies.
Marc:Still.
Marc:It was great.
Marc:Was this the Manson Family School of how to do business?
Marc:St.
Marc:Patrick's in Staten Island.
Marc:Need I say more?
Guest:Holy shit.
Guest:Yeah, it was a great time.
Guest:Listen, all I got to say, though, is that like...
Guest:you think about it, like I, because of exactly what you said, your reaction, yeah, I've gotten punched, but it's like, you think about it and it's like, oh no, I've never gotten this kind of punch, right?
Guest:And very few people probably do, just punched right in the face.
Guest:And this was, you know, the equivalent of either, you know, take it however you want, somebody punching me in the face or swinging a two by four into my face, right?
Guest:Because like, it was full velocity of my falling body into this non-moving thing.
Guest:So just reverse it
Guest:And you've got a punch to the face.
Guest:Right.
Guest:What happens, like you just think like I'm going to take a punch and it'll knock me down or I'll be like, oh, or whatever.
Guest:No, no.
Guest:You will find within you exactly who you are when you get punched because there will be a sound coming out of you.
Guest:And I think it's like, however you can identify that sound, that's who you are.
Guest:Cause I will try right now to recreate the sound.
Guest:I don't, I can't, I guarantee I can't do it precisely, but I will try to recreate the sound that it made when I, when, when, when my face just smashed into this.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Now, my wife tells me that I was already making noise before I hit the thing, right?
Guest:Because she said, like, that's what she heard from the kitchen and looked over and, like, saw me fall face first into the kitchen.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Guest:She witnessed it.
Marc:Damn.
Guest:She did, because she said I was like, whoa, you know, like, falling.
Guest:And she heard a ruckus, and she looked over, and then it was like, slam.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:Could she describe the ruckus?
Yeah.
Guest:So I, I moving around, moving around, face slams into this thing.
Guest:And I go, you're the grape lady.
Guest:It was, yeah, it was totally the grape lady.
Guest:I was like, then afterwards, I got to get, I need some ice.
Guest:So like, I'm sitting there on the couch with ice on my face.
Guest:And I'm thinking fast, like cracking wise to some guy on the subway.
Guest:And he fucking hauled off and punched me in the nose.
Guest:That would have happened.
Guest:like i would have been the guy on the subway going holy shit no it was a completely involuntary response like i wasn't like oh that hurt let me make some noise like no it's just like i that came out of me that's me yeah i i think my voice would be like peter griffin like tripping that ah i
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, I also think the other thing is that the nose, like clearly, and you can see from looking at me, my forehead is in worse shape than my nose.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But the nose is like, just think about like, get a little flick.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:on your tip of your nose, like take up your finger, your middle finger and your thumb and flick your nose and it fucking sucks.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Like imagine just getting it just slammed.
Guest:Just like take a frying pan and slam it.
Guest:It was like so painful, but I did also realize like that.
Guest:I guess that's why like if some, if some dude is like a scrapper, like a boxer or MMA fighter, or just like a guy who gets in fights, like once it's happened to you, like, you know, it's going to suck, but you also know like, well, it goes away.
Guest:Like the nose pain went away.
Guest:The forehead still fucking hurts, but the nose, it's like, it's like bang and then gone after, you know, five minutes.
Guest:It's like eating the one chip challenge.
Guest:Like it's about, it's about that equivalent of pain.
Marc:Right.
Guest:right did you uh did you like fear that you had a broken nose like oh fear i just figured it was a given i think it was immediate it bled a little bit not a lot that was that was like the tip off like okay this isn't broken and then i was able to like move it around like i was grabbing it from the bridge and wiggling it and it was fine so like but i was certain i was certain my glasses were shattered they were fine your glasses were fine wow fine yeah durable titanium unbelievable
Marc:Wow.
Marc:And wait, did you see stars?
Marc:Did you get concussed or anything?
Guest:I hope I didn't get concussed, but, you know, definitely don't want to fuck around with a head injury.
Guest:I have felt okay.
Guest:I have not had headaches.
Guest:I have not had wooziness.
Guest:I wouldn't say I saw stars, but in my grape lady screaming when I was on my knees on the ground, I feel like it was like...
Guest:The rest of Earth was a vacuum.
Guest:It was like slam and then everything else just went and sucked away so that I was just there experiencing that pain with nothing else, which I think is why it was just so like...
Guest:I was so vocal about it.
Guest:Like it was like, hey, guess what?
Guest:The rest of the world is gone.
Guest:All you have right now is your pain.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:It's all encompassing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, Brennan, that's why you have two tissues, one for crying and one for bleeding.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Did you have your bleeding tissue?
Guest:I thankfully only needed one tissue last night.
Guest:It was just for bleeding.
Guest:I was not crying.
Guest:But yeah, what a great way to think about life in general.
Guest:Like, I feel like that's... So this is in reference to Jesse Eisenberg on the show on Monday, if you didn't hear it.
Guest:And that line, I'm glad you brought it up because I feel like it was almost like...
Guest:a metaphor for the show like it could be like this subtitle of WTF you need one tissue for bleeding and one tissue for crying totally
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:That story is wild because it's his mom asking him if he has both of those tissues.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Just astounding work.
Marc:Probably not that healthy.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:No, no.
Marc:By the way, I read in Mark's book, The Jerusalem Syndrome.
Marc:I read the chapter.
Marc:It's chapter eight.
Marc:Oh, it's Jim Loftus?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yes, with Jim and Mark's rantings.
Marc:And it is a great chapter.
Marc:I'm glad Jesse still talks about that to this day.
Marc:But it is wild to me that the stuff that Mark is saying is now being said by the right of that.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:It's so weird how this stuff has sort of ebbed to them.
Guest:I think that's across the board.
Guest:I think the entire, like, basically ideological foundation has completely flipped.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Other than, you know, still conservatism is still about like keeping mine and keeping, you know, your gains versus other people's.
Guest:But like, yeah, it's very true.
Marc:There has been a complete inversion.
Marc:And I will say, I'm just realizing now that my signed version of this book by Mark, where it says, I really couldn't do it without you.
Marc:He signs it to me as Chris and he misspelled my name, which is totally on brand for Mark.
Marc:apparently he couldn't do without some other Chris maybe Chris Rosen yeah exactly exactly but I love that I'll tune in one day like I did with the Jesse Eisenberg episode and Mark will just be reciting this email that's having a profound effect on him and unlocking a key to his soul and I'm just like waiting for the coffee to drain into the carafe of my coffee pot like it's just like
Marc:Man, this guy's going through some stuff while I'm just doing nothing.
Marc:I'm just here experiencing it.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:But, you know, I got to say, it's very typical, and we talk about this all the time, that the things that he talks about that are kind of like...
Guest:Deeply personal, but also somewhat mundane are the things that get the most response.
Guest:And I'm not saying that like talking about like a potential like, you know, diagnosis of a neurological difference is somewhat mundane.
Guest:But I do think it's like people...
Guest:You know, think about these things or reckon with them all the time.
Guest:Like, like people are always like, you know, considering their own atypical, you know, mental processes and figuring out what they mean for them.
Guest:And so because of that, like there, there was just so much feedback on this from people.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:It's like, you know, so many people telling him like, that's totally wrong.
Guest:Or so many people being like, you're, you're on the right track, do this.
Guest:Like, it's just very interesting how that's the kind of stuff that gets like the most reaction.
Guest:Interesting.
Marc:I don't know if this gets a lot of reaction, but we had two New Jersey episodes.
Marc:I love clocking a good New Jersey episode and you had two this weekend.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:He's literally doing one right now, which I think might go up next week.
Guest:Oh yeah?
Guest:Can you say who it is?
Guest:It's, you know that guy Bruce Valanche who wrote all the Oscar, he was like the go-to guy to write the Oscars and you would know him on site.
Guest:He had like giant red glasses and a big, big
Guest:poofy hair big bushy beard like if you look him up bruce valanche you will wreck it you go oh yeah that guy like he was on like the hollywood squares i think okay the famous he was like the famous writer like oh yeah yeah everyone right everyone just knows him as like oh that's the guy who writes the award shows
Guest:Even though there's probably like dozens of people that were even on the shows he was on.
Guest:Like for some reason, he became the face of it.
Guest:I think mostly because of the Billy Crystal years of the Oscars.
Guest:Like Billy was very open about how Bruce Valanche was like his main writing partner on those.
Guest:And so I think he got a lot of credit for that.
Guest:And that just became he's the Oscar guy.
Guest:But in any event, another Jersey, another New Jersey in that that is on the show.
Marc:Yes, that's great.
Marc:And yeah, I just love hearing Mark talk about Wayne, New Jersey and just all the all the little escapades.
Marc:Your backyard, baby.
Marc:I know it's crazy.
Marc:We got drones.
Marc:We got Marin history to talk about.
Marc:It's it's wild.
Marc:Jesse Eisenberg, Alex Luther, and I know that was sort of mentioned in the very beginning of the episode.
Marc:Mark was alluding to it, I believe.
Marc:And it's great hearing them talk about –
Marc:Their craft and how they do things.
Marc:They do things very differently.
Marc:I love that Jesse was like, for his new movie, A Real Pain, that he was like, oh, I was going to do the other part in the movie.
Marc:And it actually got me thinking, he should have did both parts.
Marc:That would have been great if it was like with Fargo.
Marc:Fargo did that with...
Marc:The television show.
Marc:I think they did that with Jude Law.
Marc:Oh, right, right, right.
Marc:Both parts.
Marc:But I would love to see A Real Pain with Jesse Eisenberg playing the Kieran Culkin part.
Guest:I wonder, though, that if you can't do that with a movie on that budget.
Marc:Oh, yeah, for sure.
Guest:That's probably what it was.
Guest:They're like, yeah, we're just kind of shooting this on location in Poland.
Guest:We don't have a special effects budget.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Also, I love the cultural trappings that they have.
Marc:And I don't know about you, but I have cultural trappings of being Italian that are super fun.
Marc:Oh, you do?
Marc:Really?
Yeah.
Marc:I'll be honest with you.
Marc:They are being stretched to the limit this week.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Like being an Italian American is, is I'm, I mean, it's not, it's not very offensive, but it's getting too offensive.
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:No, like it's so funny because like, I mean, I think about this too.
Guest:Cause like, you know, we have the pass, right.
Guest:You and me, like, we're like, Oh, we could do this.
Guest:We've got the, you know, we, we got the blood so we can make the jokes.
Guest:But I did realize like with this Luigi shooter guy, like I was like, that's a lot of jokes of really fast.
Marc:exactly like you guys thought of this stuff really quickly and it's like totally okay like everyone's like oh of course of course these are jokes like you gotta make all the jokes about this yeah but like super mario brothers there's you know just like mafia hitmen thing like there's just so many like the sopranos and just a lot of a lot of stuff going on i'm like okay you guys are taking this very quickly um
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So yeah, it's like him and the hot tour girl are going to have like their own podcast one of these days.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh boy.
Guest:But so what are your cultural trappings?
Marc:Oh, dude, just making sauce on Sundays.
Marc:It's weirdly watching gangster movies like Goodfellas and The Godfather.
Marc:That's just a fun thing that I can do.
Guest:You're not saying anything to dissuade people from the jokes right now.
Guest:I just got to tell you.
Marc:No, I don't.
Marc:I know.
Marc:I'm stirring sauce.
Marc:I'm looking for drones outside.
Marc:It's great.
Marc:Man, that story just not the Luigi Hitman story.
Marc:Just can't believe this is actually happening in this time.
Marc:It just goes to show you if you're mildly good looking, you can, you know, people will forgive you for most things.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I think this guy was better looking in the security camera footage than when we saw what he actually looked like in his photos.
Guest:I don't know.
Marc:I see photos with him like with a six pack.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:You've never seen an ugly guy with a six pack before?
Guest:I've seen lots of them.
Marc:I guess so.
Marc:But like there's also this unibrow situation.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's like it's a whole it's a whole weird wormhole that I don't know how we're all as a culture going to get out of.
Guest:I just keep thinking of that that that family guy meme of like.
Guest:the cop is holding up the, the, the, the thing that has a swatch of colors on it.
Guest:And he's holding up to Peter Griffin.
Guest:And it's like the shades that are light colored of which he is one.
Guest:It says like free to go.
Guest:And then like the darker browner colors, it's like detained.
Guest:That's all I can think of with this guy.
Guest:I'm like, if this guy was one shade darker, there's no way this story would be like the playing out with the kind of like hero worship that it has.
Marc:absolutely yes yeah yes um i really liked uh andy blitz's uh thoughts for a trump inauguration sort of um to have a separate thing yeah to have a separate thing like i like how mark was like you're just talking about anything else that's on television he's like your competition is everything that's not the inauguration i loved that
Guest:I'll tell you, the thing that killed me in that episode was he was talking about, Andy was talking about his family had roots in Argentina.
Guest:And he said there were Jews that had gone to Argentina and they came from a town called Mosesville.
Guest:And Mark was like, well, is that for when the Nazis escaped to there?
Guest:They could hang around the perimeter and just be nostalgic for murdering.
Guest:And then he came up again later when he was like, they talked about his brother lives in Oklahoma City.
Guest:He's like, well, he's like, he's on the outskirts.
Guest:And Mark's like, where, Mosesville?
Yeah.
Guest:That all got me good.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I hope Andy's doing okay with his panic attacks with the Mets, since the Mets have signed Juan Soto, the big fish.
Guest:He must be doing much better this week.
Guest:That's what I was thinking.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I also love the idea that Mark is just living with constant panic attacks all the time.
Marc:He's like, what?
Marc:Oh, that feeling?
Marc:Yeah, I have that literally all the time.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, I got to tell you, you know, like the time in life that I had noticed he was the most calm was like the first week of COVID.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Like he was like, yeah, this is fine.
Guest:We'll manage this.
Guest:And I was like, you?
Guest:Really?
Guest:You're saying this?
Guest:Now, granted, I mean, obviously he had a major tragic event in his life shortly after the onset of COVID.
Guest:But I do think like the Earl, like, you know, had that...
Guest:terrible situation not happened, he would have been responding to it fine because I think his life is always lived in like a state of imagined emergency that when there's an actual real emergency, he can just like
Marc:pop into action you know right right well i i i like that he was saying and so was jesse where they were like i am really good in an emergency and i can totally see that with mark i'm also really good at an emergency i'm very calm and collected and while other people may be freaking out yeah i i would have normally said the same but after the sound i made last night i'm not so sure
Marc:Dude, your face looks like something happened, like your kid home-aloned you.
Guest:Yeah, it's like an iron, you know.
Marc:Yes, an iron drop from the sky.
Guest:Well, that might be a good transition here because I had an idea this week.
Guest:And it was based on the fact that I found myself not really wanting to watch any of the holiday films that were on TV or on streaming.
Guest:I just kind of felt like I'm spent.
Guest:I love them.
Guest:I love Scrooged.
Guest:You know, there's no, you know, pick any one of them.
Guest:You know, I have ones that are near and dear to my heart, but I just feel like I've watched them a lot.
Guest:And, you know, there's probably not a lot that I can suggest.
Guest:Oh, go watch this because like I've already like I have no ones that are like special.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like everyone knows them all.
Guest:Everyone, even if they're like ones that aren't traditional, like Die Hard is not, you know, everybody knows it.
Guest:And so I started thinking like, how do you expand your rotation?
Guest:And I realized there are probably movies that we have completely dismissed because like you heard they were terrible or whatever.
Guest:And like, you're afraid to like watch them because you're like, well, I'm going to waste my time with this.
Guest:I'm thinking about like from the like 90s and early 2000s, there were like a lot of bad Christmas movies, right?
Guest:Like the Deck the Halls and Jack Frost.
Guest:And there's a remake of Miracle on 34th Street.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Real low points in people's careers.
Marc:Real low points.
Guest:And I was like, well, I don't want to watch any of those.
Guest:And thankfully, I had some assistance because my son Owen decided he wanted to watch a Christmas movie that I studiously avoided for its entire existence.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But he took it upon himself to watch it, and I thought, well, let's get some feedback and see if this is worthy of it, at least from a young person's perspective.
Guest:And it's like, maybe if you have a kid, you can sit down and watch something new with them, and this would be the one to watch, or just try something out that you never tried out before, because...
Guest:you can remove your biases or your preconceived notions about what these things are.
Guest:Like, I think I had this, the closest thing I could say this happened with me was Jingle All the Way, the Schwarzenegger movie, which I never saw when it came out because I heard it was bad.
Guest:And then I watched it like, you know, a couple of years ago and I'm like, that wasn't great, but I didn't hate it.
Guest:You know, it's like, I think we get very precious with these things.
Guest:Like, oh, I don't want it to encroach on my Christmas movie time, you know?
Guest:And then it's like, well, come on.
Guest:How many times are you going to watch a Christmas carol?
Guest:Why don't you try one of these other ones out?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:My son Owen tried out another film, and I think this makes it a good time for us to check back in with him.
Guest:And we'll go get the young teenager's perspective.
Guest:He's 13 years old.
Guest:We'll get that perspective on Christmas movies that you may not have watched.
Guest:And in this case, it was a very specific film.
Guest:Okay, I am here with Owen.
Guest:Hi, Owen.
Guest:Hello again.
Guest:So we're going to talk about holiday movies.
Guest:And I know that this season, you know, you kind of like put aside a lot of movies.
Guest:You're like, I don't want to watch these ones.
Guest:I've watched them too many times.
Guest:And I think a lot of people feel that way.
Guest:But then people wonder like, well, what can I watch?
Guest:So you tried something new you hadn't seen before, right?
Guest:Yeah, I watched Home Alone 3.
Guest:Home Alone 3.
Guest:Okay, now what was your experience with the Home Alone franchise up to this point?
Guest:That falls in the category of movies that I've watched a lot.
Guest:And which one?
Guest:Both Home Alone 1 and 2, although Home Alone 2 I haven't watched as much as Home Alone 1.
Guest:Okay, but you watched one and two enough that you were kind of done with them.
Guest:You wanted to move on.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:What do you think of those movies?
Guest:They're blockbuster masterpieces.
Guest:Do you like one better or two, or they're about the same?
Guest:Yeah, they're about the same.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Now, did you know going into it, though, that the third one had nothing to do with the first two?
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, I knew that.
Guest:Oh, you did?
Guest:I'd actually seen that movie playing on a television in a restaurant once, and I was like, I think this is Home Alone 3.
Guest:I wonder if that's good or not.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:I wonder if Home Alone 3 is a good movie or not.
Guest:Maybe I can watch it like five years from now.
Guest:This was a while ago you saw it at the restaurant?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:But it looked just like a Home Alone movie to you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I thought the mom was the same actor.
Guest:It's not.
Guest:It's actually a different person.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, you know, the woman who played the mom in Home Alone 1 and 2 is Catherine O'Hara, who you know from like Beetlejuice.
Guest:And she does the voice in The Nightmare Before Christmas.
Guest:And she's also a very funny comedic actor.
Guest:She was around a lot.
Guest:But the mom in the new one, you know, she was from Gremlins 2.
Guest:Oh, was she the mom in Gremlins 2?
Guest:No, no.
Guest:She was like a woman who worked at the corporation.
Guest:She had red hair.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:She got stuck in like a spider web with the spider gremlin.
Guest:Yeah, I remember that.
Guest:I remember that vaguely.
Guest:All right.
Guest:So you sat down to watch this by yourself.
Guest:You were like, I'm just going to turn this on.
Guest:I'm going to watch it.
Guest:And I guess let's find out your reaction.
Guest:What did you think of Home Alone 3?
Guest:It was definitely good.
Guest:I turned it on thinking, oh, I hope I'm not getting one of those low-budget movies.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I've seen tons of those.
Guest:I don't want to get into much detail about them because they're not good.
Guest:You mean like stuff that never got released in the theaters?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So this was not like that at all.
Guest:This was made by the same writer, so he knows what he's doing.
Guest:John Hughes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And the director was different, so I guess that just makes the feeling of it a little different.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Who directed Home Alone 1 and 2?
Guest:So that was directed by a guy named Chris Columbus.
Guest:He directed the first two Harry Potter movies as well.
Guest:He was kind of a known guy in Hollywood to direct big family entertainment.
Guest:He directed Mrs. Doubtfire.
Guest:He directed Gremlins.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He was the writer of Gremlins.
Guest:That's how he got his big start.
Guest:And because of that, which was a Spielberg produced movie, he kind of found his way into making big movies.
Guest:That was a different director.
Guest:I forget who the director of that.
Guest:This guy's name is Raja Gosnell, which I don't think you've seen any of the Scooby-Doo movies.
Guest:I mean, the ones with live action, like there's a CGI Scooby-Doo, but all the other actors are regular actors.
Guest:He made those movies.
Guest:The composer's different.
Guest:It's no longer John Williams.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They don't use any of the Home Alone music?
Guest:There's an arrangement of the Home Alone theme at the very beginning of the movie, but it still sounds like the original movie soundtrack.
Guest:It sounds sort of goofy and upbeat.
Guest:You brought up the Gremlins movies.
Guest:It kind of sounds like the music from Gremlins.
Guest:I don't really know.
Guest:I see.
Guest:And what is the movie about?
Guest:All right.
Guest:So it's about a young kid.
Guest:He's like nine or ten.
Guest:He's younger than Kevin McAllister, who is played by Macaulay Culkin.
Guest:This kid is different.
Guest:He's played by a child actor whose real name is actually the name of the character in the film, Alex.
Guest:I must have made it easy for him.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he gets sick with the chicken pox and it like you find that out because he's itching himself in the beginning of the movie and he has to stay home, doesn't go to school.
Guest:Well, there's a scene where everybody else is going to school and he's not.
Guest:He has two siblings, one big brother who's kind of like Buzz in the first and second movie.
Guest:He's sort of like a mean kid who's kind of like immature and he has all this stuff on the wall.
Guest:Like you get a good shot of all this stuff he has on the wall.
Guest:There's like rock music playing.
Guest:it's it's a little it's a little unnerving and then he has a sister who's played by scarlett johansson of all people yeah she must have been like i don't know 13 14 years old at the time yeah i think i think that's about right and he has a mouse or a rat named doris that is like so that's like the tarantula in the first movie
Guest:He uses the rat like the tarantula in the first movie, but the rat becomes his companion while he's sick.
Guest:He talks to the rat a couple times.
Guest:He's like, should I hide?
Guest:And stuff like that.
Guest:Well, wait a minute.
Guest:Hang on.
Guest:I've got to ask you something, though.
Guest:So this is he's sick.
Guest:He's at home.
Guest:Where does the alone part come in?
Guest:Why would this kid who's very little, why would he just be left alone?
Yeah.
Guest:Well, it's not really that much like the first movie where like they go on a vacation, forget him.
Guest:This is a lot different.
Guest:This is like they just leave him home in the house for a bit while they're going on an errand.
Guest:And he keeps seeing burglars coming into the house because there is a group of criminals that are looking for this like microchip.
Guest:that could destroy the world.
Guest:And when they're in the airport, the luggage that they're trying to sneak through the airport, it gets mixed up.
Guest:It's a case of some mistaken reason that this winds up in a toy, right?
Guest:Yeah, and the kid gets the toy.
Guest:So that's what makes it more like an adventure going on here.
Guest:Now, I got a question for you, though.
Guest:You said the kid gets the toy.
Guest:What, did he get it for Christmas or something?
Guest:No, he got it as just like a reward for shoveling his grouchy neighbor's driveway.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:But so is there Christmas in the movie?
No.
Guest:Kind of.
Guest:I'm not sure if it takes place in the beginning of December or the beginning of January.
Guest:Ah, so it's just kind of snowy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So this doesn't have a very Christmas message, like the first Home Alone where he goes to church and there's nativity scenes and everything, but it still feels like winter time and you could watch it during Christmas.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, but there's even a Christmas song in there too, just like with Home Alone 1, that they just use songs from the radio.
Guest:I see, I see.
Guest:So okay, now when he's home alone and these burglars come by, what makes him do what I'm assuming he has to do, which is set up a bunch of booby traps?
Guest:He tries calling the police numerous times.
Guest:They don't believe him, which is like the boy who cried wolf.
Guest:I see.
Guest:And then he's like, I think I should just do this myself.
Guest:There's a whole scene with the RC car with a camera on it.
Guest:There's not really any booby traps involved, but they get hurt a couple times.
Guest:The burglars get hurt a couple times.
Guest:And then he sets up a whole bunch of traps.
Guest:There's a whole montage just like in Home Alone 1.
Guest:And the traps, I think they hurt more than the first two combined.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Guest:What's an example of a trap that he does?
Yeah.
Guest:Well, there's the sticky stuff, the adhesive glue in the first movie on the stairs.
Guest:And there's a giant fist that comes out of the closet and punches you.
Guest:There's a giant dumbbell that falls off the roof and hits you.
Guest:There's...
Guest:Oh, electrical stuff.
Guest:Like the first trap of the day is like they sit on a chair with electrical stuff on it and it just blows their hair up.
Guest:Oh, so they're like fried.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And wasn't there something you were saying somebody fell down like a dumbwaiter or something?
Guest:Yeah, that's how one of the burglars gets what they deserve at the very end.
Guest:They like break all their bones in their body by falling down the elevator chute.
Guest:The dumbwaiter chute?
Guest:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:And then the two other guys, they freeze to death by falling into a frozen pool.
Guest:But you're saying death, but just meaning as a figure of speech.
Guest:Nobody in this actually dies, right?
Guest:Yeah, not really.
Guest:Maybe that one guy died, the final guy who's French.
Guest:I don't know that there should be any confusion in a children's film.
Guest:You should probably know that they're not dead.
Guest:Yeah, they show their mug shots at the end.
Guest:I see.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:But I don't know why.
Guest:I just like to think that that guy just died from a frozen pool.
Guest:Or that he's forever just a frozen ice cube?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Stuck in a cube and you just see him like Han Solo?
Guest:Mm hmm.
Guest:That's actually what it looks like.
Guest:And that's actually what it looks like.
Guest:What?
Guest:I just think that's funny.
Guest:It's like that's in our mind.
Guest:It's like, I don't know, when I was a kid, like there are all these things from from movies and cartoons that you think are like actually possible.
Guest:Like if somebody fell in a big block of ice, they'd just be stuck in the ice like a regular human.
Guest:Doesn't that happen?
Guest:Like frostbite?
Guest:No, you'd be dead.
Guest:You would be dead.
Guest:You'd die before the thing froze over because your body temperature would just completely drop and your organs would shut down.
Guest:That would not require the liquid to turn solid.
Guest:You'd just be dead in cold water.
Guest:okay so there's a lot of cartoon violence I'm calling it cartoon violence that's right in this in that movie but just can't can't happen in real life because I keep in mind if like at least one of those traps were set up in real life you'd be dead well I mean in that in the Home Alone 2 the very first thing he does to who is it Marv is Marv the tall one
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he like launches one of them into the air and they land on the car.
Guest:Before he even does that, he just is on the roof of the building and he's pounding his head with bricks.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:He'd be dead.
Guest:He would he would at the very least have given that man severe brain damage.
Guest:You can actually see the blood on his forehead when he does that.
Guest:I don't know if it's blood.
Guest:I think, like you said, cartoon violence, I think they make it look like the imprint of a brick.
Guest:You know how a brick has the lettering on it saying, like, what company made that brick?
Guest:I think you see that on his head.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, actually, he did something before that in Home Alone 2.
Guest:Before he threw the bricks at him, he launched one of them into the air and they fall in this car.
Yeah.
Guest:Oh, that's right.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Now I have a question for you.
Guest:When these movies came out, particularly the first two, because they were so popular, I remember there was a lot of conversation about like, this is inappropriate because children are going to see this.
Guest:This is marketed to children.
Guest:This is a children's film and they're going to see this and it shows them all this violence and they're going to do this violence in their homes.
Guest:Would you say you were ever inclined to do the things that he does in this in these movies, you know, in order to booby trap people and to to, you know, stop robbers and stuff like that?
Guest:Did I have like the nerve to do this?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Did you think like would you watch the movie and think like that gives me a good idea?
Guest:I should do that.
Guest:I mean, I kind of want to say yes, but you're going to get mad at me.
Guest:No, I'm asking you genuine opinion.
Guest:I kind of feel like doing that.
Guest:But it's like watching the movie, it's like that's actually a little too harsh.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:But you do kind of think maybe this would be a good way to protect the house.
Guest:Yeah, well.
Guest:Like if we didn't have SimpliSafe.
Guest:Yeah, SimpliSafe is a movie trap, yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:See, that's the thing.
Guest:This movie teaches you, you know, you should get home security.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Get home security, everyone.
Guest:And well, OK, but I will say the thing you know what the thing I think is the most imitated thing in these movies, the fire.
Guest:No, it has nothing to do with the burglars.
Guest:I think the thing that probably got emulated the most and probably caused the most injuries and accidents is him riding his toboggan down the stairs.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:So, like, I don't think it has anything to do with influencing kids to be violent.
Guest:It influences them to do stuff from jackass, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:A toboggan down the stairs.
Guest:And I guarantee most kids houses do not have stairs that perfectly line up with the front door.
Guest:You know, in fact, there is a there's a shot of the like the camera zooming down the stairs.
Guest:You can see that the door is like slightly to the left.
Guest:Oh, he would have crashed right into the door frame.
Guest:And then when he goes down the stairs, he perfectly goes out the door.
Guest:It's just so messed up.
Guest:You caught him.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:In fact, I know someone who tells a lot of lies, so it's hard to believe this, but he said he put his dog on a toboggan and had it go down the stairs.
Guest:And I'm picturing two things.
Guest:One thing I'm picturing is just the dog is like, oh, what's happening?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The other thing I'm picturing is that in this Netflix show called Oddballs, which is based off of a YouTube channel called The Odd Ones Out, the main character, James, tries to attempt what Kevin did in Home Alone by riding a tabanga down the stairs because he's home alone.
Guest:And it just goes like... Oh, like one step at a time.
Guest:That's probably more likely what would happen.
Guest:Well, I don't know.
Guest:If you had a long toboggan, like as soon as you placed it down on the stairs, it would just go down the whole stairs.
Guest:So did you think that by the end of this movie, did you feel like you had watched a satisfying Home Alone movie?
Guest:Yeah, I mean, it wasn't as good as the first two, but I could see just how good they were trying to make this movie and put some good booby traps in it.
Guest:Well, yeah, I think what you're noticing, too, is that it has a formula.
Guest:That would be what you call it.
Guest:And they're just kind of filling the same formula that they had in the other two movies.
Guest:How would you guess this movie was received when it first came out?
Guest:Like, how do you think people do you think people liked it or not?
Guest:I I'm I'm guessing people didn't like it.
Guest:Yeah, you're correct.
Guest:They did not.
Guest:It did not do well at the movie theaters.
Guest:And it was it was savaged by critics.
Guest:But but now, you know, this is almost 30 years later.
Guest:You you have a different perspective on it.
Guest:You think, yeah, this isn't bad, right?
Guest:Yeah, I bet people think the same.
Guest:But I know a lot of people still don't like it.
Guest:Well, I will tell you this, even though it got mostly bad reviews and not a lot of people went to see it, and I don't think it has a particularly strong legacy, I will say that one of the people I respect most in life, he was a film critic named Roger Ebert.
Guest:And he was one of the only critics in America who liked this movie.
Guest:In fact, I'll read to you what he wrote.
Guest:In his review, he said, to my astonishment, I liked the third Home Alone movie better than the first two.
Guest:I'm even going so far as to recommend it, although not to grownups unless they are having a very silly day.
Guest:Hey, I have a lot of silly days.
Guest:I don't mind silly days.
Guest:This movie follows the exact formula of the first two, but it is funnier and gentler and has a real charmer for a hero, which provides splendid wish fulfillment and escapism for kids in, say, the lower grades.
Guest:So, I mean, I think it sounds like he liked it even more than you did, because I don't think you liked it better than the first two.
Guest:I have a couple of stuff to disagree.
Guest:I don't think it's better than the first two.
Guest:I think it's just, like, it's good as a movie.
Guest:And I also disagree saying that he said that...
Guest:it follows the exact same formula as the first two.
Guest:It kind of doesn't because he's not left home alone while everyone's on vacation.
Guest:He's just, he's like, he's just like one of those kids that's just like, I'm going to the store for a bit.
Guest:You just stay in bed.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But so, okay, I guess what it is is that it doesn't follow the exact formula.
Guest:plot of the first two it's not like a remake but when you're talking about a formula the formula is just like the recipe right like you can have a recipe and uh like you know mom's way of making that recipe is a little different than nona's way of making the recipe but you're still getting the same kind of meal right i think that's what this means it's a formula and you can kind of follow it and come out with like similar results
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But still, it's not really the same premise, though.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:Well, would you add this into your Christmas watching in future years?
Guest:Maybe.
Guest:I was thinking of a couple of things when I was watching.
Guest:I said, this is definitely something that, A, a school would play, and B, something that a father would play for his kids.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, all right.
Guest:Well, maybe we'll have to do the reverse of that.
Guest:You'll have to play it for your father because I've never seen this.
Guest:Okay, maybe I'll do that next year.
Guest:That's a good way that you can revisit this without feeling like you're just watching the same movie again.
Guest:You can watch it with me and mom.
Guest:Yeah, I'll have that as a reminder for next year.
Guest:So I thought it was a good movie.
Guest:Sounds good.
Guest:Now, do you have any other things you're going to check out for this holiday that you haven't watched yet?
Guest:Well, I'm definitely going to watch Sonic the Hedgehog 3 when it comes out in like 10 days.
Guest:Oh, OK.
Guest:So you need to watch the other two movies get caught up.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:OK.
Guest:And I'm going to watch.
Guest:Oh, we watched Moana 2 last month.
Guest:Oh, did you like that?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, OK.
Guest:So, you know, we've watched some new movies in the holiday rotation.
Guest:Any of the old ones that you feel like, even though you've seen them a bunch, you've kind of had a little pull to want to watch them or you've been thinking about?
Guest:Yeah, maybe Charlie Brown Christmas.
Guest:The TV special.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Well, yeah, that's a standard.
Guest:And that's only like 25 minutes long, so it's not like... Yeah, also, I'm going to watch the new SpongeBob stop-motion movie.
Guest:Oh, of course you are.
Guest:Now, when does that come out?
Guest:It's out already on streaming.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, giddy up on that one.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:And then maybe in the new year, we'll go back to watching some kind of classic movie that you haven't seen yet.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Got anything else to say?
Guest:Nope.
Guest:I just hope that you all have a Merry Christmas.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Thanks, man.
Guest:All right.
Guest:That was Owen's thoughts on Home Alone 3.
Guest:And just to mention there, I figured I'd give him a little nod with the music that you're hearing in those segments is written and composed by Owen.
Guest:I just thought I'd give him a little shout out for that.
Marc:Amazing.
Marc:This kid is absolutely amazing and going to be taking my job.
Marc:Also, Brendan, please stop spogging down your stairs.
Marc:We all know that's how your face got all messed up.
Guest:It's all been bullshit, what I've been saying.
Guest:What you're seeing on my face right now was a failure of a test.
Marc:Spogging, yes.
Marc:You're real myth busters.
Guest:Did you ever see that?
Guest:Home Alone 3?
Guest:Never.
Guest:I was like, I'm never going to watch this.
Guest:This is awful.
Guest:But both Owen and Roger Ebert have me thinking like, well, it's probably not bad.
Guest:It's probably...
Guest:like fine minus you know what i mean it's like one of those things like you'll watch but man i've seen so much worse like when i think about like things that that have just been total dog shit especially like in recent years like i'm like man i i've put myself through a lot worse than like a mild children's entertainment where the action is like a human cartoon seems right fine
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Also, is Owen going to like diners by himself, saddling up to the bar and seeing Home Alone 3 on mute on the television?
Marc:Like, where is he going?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I didn't ask him what restaurant.
Guest:I probably should have.
Guest:But like, I know exactly what he's talking about.
Guest:Like, you know, you're in like a pizza restaurant, you know, the pizzeria or whatever.
Guest:They got a TV on and it happens to be around the holidays.
Guest:Like, that's what's going to be on.
Guest:I remember that.
Guest:I remember that explicitly.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like you'd be in a place and you're like, what is that thing?
Guest:I just watched five minutes of that.
Guest:I probably shouldn't have seen.
Marc:I went to recently went to a restaurant, Italian restaurant out here in Jersey.
Marc:And they, it's like a Grinch bar that they set up.
Marc:And my wife's like, Oh, we should go.
Marc:I'm like, sure.
Marc:And we sat off to the bar and they're just playing like the old Grinch, you know, like the doc, you know, the cartoon.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And then,
Marc:Jim Carrey's doctor, you know, Jim Carrey's one.
Marc:Then Aaron's like, oh, look, they have the Grinch on.
Marc:I'm like, yeah, I mean, that's the Jim Carrey one.
Marc:It's like, is there another one?
Marc:It's like the what?
Marc:The real one, the cartoon.
Marc:And she was like, oh, I don't know if I ever saw that.
Marc:So I'm just like, all right, I don't know what to tell you.
Guest:That Jim Carrey Grinch falls square in the category of like, I don't think I can ever watch that.
Guest:That looks so bad.
Marc:The people, like not the Grinch.
Marc:The who people.
Marc:The who people are so disturbing.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:It's off-putting just to even look at it.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:That's why I'm like, I don't think I'll ever watch that.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:It's a bridge too far for me.
Marc:But it's funny.
Marc:I've actually...
Marc:thought the same thing as you, um, where I don't want to watch the same holiday movies.
Marc:I want to watch movies that I've sort of missed or in like, I hear that maybe they're good.
Marc:And like, honestly, they kind of have a bad reputation.
Marc:Um, and I, I kind of wanted to check them out.
Marc:Like I watched recently, uh, the day after Thanksgiving, we watched the holiday.
Marc:Did you ever see the holiday?
Guest:Oh no, but that's, so that's a, people love that as a holiday movie, you know, from this time of year.
Marc:Yes, and it's fine.
Marc:It's lovely.
Marc:I think Jack Black is weirdly cast as Kate Winslet's love interest.
Marc:But besides that, it's a perfectly fine movie.
Marc:But a movie that I just was like, oh, I'm never going to see that.
Marc:I have no desire to see that.
Marc:But I'm glad I saw it.
Marc:So yeah, The Holiday is one of those movies that fall into that category.
Guest:Now, did you ever have any movies that were like when you were younger, you just watched, you know, you didn't judge them or anything like, you know, you watch them the way Owen watched Home Alone 3, but like the rest of the world thought they were garbage?
Marc:Yeah, absolutely.
Marc:I mean, that's basically all the movies I watch.
Yeah.
Marc:Like seriously, if I, I mean, I could rattle off 20 movies that are dog shit to people that I think these are fucking great.
Marc:Like what?
Marc:I need to hear some.
Marc:Oh, Hudson Hawk.
Marc:Love Hudson Hawk when he's on the stretcher and he's going through the bridge.
Guest:He's like, no, no, wait, hang on a question though.
Guest:Big question.
Guest:When you watch, when did you first watch Hudson Hawk?
Guest:HBO when it was out on HBO.
Guest:So, okay.
Guest:So you, you know, you're like Owen's age, probably 12, 13.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Did you know anything about it when you watched it?
Marc:I knew that people did not like this movie.
Guest:See, that's interesting because like, I wonder if that made it better for you.
Guest:Like if you were like, you know, this wasn't as bad as everyone is saying.
Guest:Cause yeah, I like, I had that same knowledge of it was, I was like,
Guest:Oh, this is supposedly one of the worst movies ever made.
Guest:And I remember watching it.
Guest:I didn't have any great love for it, but I didn't think it was one of the worst movies I ever saw.
Guest:Like any movie where you laugh a couple of times, like does not count as one of the worst movies.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:You enjoyed yourself at some point.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Waterworld.
Marc:Waterworld is delightful.
Guest:Like, well, see, that's so funny.
Guest:I went, I remember going to the theater to see it because I heard it was going to be one of the worst movies ever made.
Guest:And I found it neither delightful nor terrible.
Guest:Like I was like, Oh really?
Guest:That was the thing everyone made a big fuss about.
Guest:Like it's nothing.
Guest:It's just a, it's just there.
Marc:Yeah, well, I'll tell you, I watched The Postman, too.
Marc:I loved The Postman.
Marc:I'm a big Kevin Costner fan, apparently.
Guest:No, but did you watch them defiantly?
Marc:Were you like— I knew that that movie was panned.
Marc:Like, that's a movie.
Marc:As an adult, I saw it in the Blockbuster 99-cent bin, and I was like, oh, I'm going to purchase that.
Marc:And I was like, this is great.
Marc:Tom Petty shows up.
Marc:This is a fantastic movie.
Marc:What are people talking about?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:So see, that's interesting because I think I had a lot of this experience when I was younger, but with stuff that I had no idea that it was viewed as garbage.
Guest:And I realized, like, I think a lot of it was just because I lumped it in.
Guest:Like, I think I thought of things categorically.
Guest:And like, if you were like in the category of Star Wars and Star Wars adjacent, I was like, well, that's good.
Guest:Like Star Wars, right?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Or like Conan.
Guest:And like, you'd watch the beast master.
Guest:And I'm like, beast masters like Conan.
Guest:Like I had, like, I did not know that there were like shittier versions of these things.
Guest:Like with star Wars, there was a movie.
Guest:I, I loved it.
Guest:I watched it all the time.
Guest:I had it on the VHS.
Guest:I think we like dubbed it from like, we rented it at the store and made a copy and it was called ice pirates.
Guest:It's with, it's with, Oh God, why am I forgetting the name of the guy who played a Spencer for hire?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Fuck Bob.
Guest:God damn it.
Guest:Robert Urich.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So he was in it.
Guest:I want to say Gregory Hines was in it.
Guest:You know, it was like this B movie.
Guest:Oh, total.
Guest:I think it was a canon film.
Guest:I think we watched the canon thing.
Guest:But I was like, this is Star Wars with funny guys.
Guest:These are like all Han Solos.
Guest:This is great.
Guest:And I had no idea that it was just universally hailed as just garbage.
Guest:And I remember that with the show V. Do you remember the show V?
Guest:yes it was like an alien invasion show yeah and i was like this is star trek like i just lizard people i yes lizard people exactly like i didn't differentiate i'm like if it's in the category of a thing i already like then it's great right it's you know it goes in that same bin yeah yeah yeah that's great
Guest:I definitely also had things I, at the time, liked, but they were viewed as poor.
Guest:You know, they had poor reputations.
Guest:And I think history has proven me right.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:When I was a kid, I loved the movie Popeye.
Guest:And apparently that was like, you know...
Guest:people hated it it bombed and people said it was like the could have killed robin williams career and what an awful movie and and now it's like a beloved classic i feel like so many all uh john carpenter movies yes like at the time maybe not halloween halloween had a little bit of like a good reputation but everything else was thought of as like shit like i remember they live came out and people were like this is garbage and i was like greatest movie i ever saw yeah
Guest:And like now the thing, like you go, you, when Halloween rolls around, they always like have a list of like the greatest horror movies ever.
Guest:And the thing is almost always like one or two.
Guest:Like it's, it is absolutely a beloved film and, and considered as good as it is.
Guest:Like I've, I've seen people say like, I don't think the thing is just a great horror movie.
Guest:It's one of the great movies period.
Marc:I've, I love, um, I talked about it previously.
Marc:Meet Joe Black.
Marc:People hate this movie.
Marc:I have always been like, no, this movie's great.
Guest:Yeah, I don't think the world came around on that one.
Marc:No, they will.
Marc:They will.
Marc:But also another movie I saw the day it came out, Last Action Hero.
Marc:That's a movie you should watch with Owen.
Guest:But yeah, well, we have.
Guest:He liked it.
Guest:He liked Last Action Hero.
Guest:And I liked Last Action Hero a lot.
Guest:And I feel like that's on the verge of getting the reappraisal treatment.
Guest:Oh, you think so?
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Because it came out like 30 years ago last year.
Guest:So like people started watching it again.
Guest:And I've seen more positive sentiment about Last Action Hero than I had in previous years.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It takes a while sometimes.
Guest:Like I feel like now Ishtar, people like Ishtar, even though that was like a punchline for most of my life.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Well, you know, we saw recently UHF in the theater.
Guest:That still was good.
Yeah.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Still great.
Marc:But I know that that movie did not do well.
Marc:And I don't know if it's highly regarded, but it is a now a cult classic.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know what, though, about that one?
Guest:That was one of those ones, you know, that's like Adam Sandler's early movies.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like when they came out, it was like a guarantee that critics were going to hate these movies.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But the people who were fans were like, fuck you.
Guest:I love Adam Sandler.
Guest:You know, like this is hilarious to me.
Guest:And like, I do think that like, you know, the reputations of like Billy Madison, Happy Gilmore, you know, Waterboy, like those have only increased over the years too.
Guest:And I think that's a lot of, because like,
Guest:The fans just stayed with them.
Guest:People didn't lose their appreciation of those.
Guest:They just were like, yes, we love this.
Guest:And then the critical voices are gone because there's no need to react to them that way anymore when it's 30 years, 40 years after the fact.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, there's, there's this movie, the accountant that people love with Ben Affleck so much so that they're making a sequel to it.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Like that is a movie that I remember seeing once.
Marc:And I was like, I never want to see that again, but like people just really loved it.
Guest:I think the, I think, you know what I think is the, the, the pull of that movie, why it has such a pedigree is because it is always showing on like TNT before and after basketball games.
Guest:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:Like it's one of the movies in their rotation.
Guest:And I feel like there's just like people randomly caught it.
Guest:Like they were like, you know, what's this thing with Ben Affleck?
Guest:He's a nerd, but he kills people.
Guest:What's going on?
Marc:And then they watch it and they're like, I fucking love The Accountant, man.
Marc:That's great.
Marc:It's like a Shawshank Redemption type of thing.
Guest:Oh, totally.
Guest:Right, right.
Guest:That was a full on cable movie.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:Let's see.
Marc:Made.
Marc:I remember I loved Made when it came out.
Marc:The Jon Favreau movie?
Marc:The Jon Favreau movie.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Love that movie.
Marc:And no one seems to have joined me in that.
Guest:But I think that movie was received well.
Guest:It just didn't get seen.
Guest:Yeah, I guess so.
Guest:People, I remember getting decent reviews.
Guest:Just like for some reason, nobody wanted to go see it.
Marc:Well, even recently, like The Irishman, like people, you know, some critics liked it, but the mass audiences were like, oh, no, thank you to that.
Marc:But like, I love it.
Marc:I know you love it.
Marc:But like, there is a contingent out there where people just do not enjoy that movie.
Guest:Yeah, I think that's the Netflix problem, frankly.
Guest:It's like, they're like, what was this, three and a half hours?
Guest:Fuck this.
Guest:And it's like, yeah, sorry your brain has been turned to mush by this thing.
Marc:Yeah, well, you know, Tenet is a movie that was panned and it came out during the pandemic.
Marc:And so when I saw it in the theater, I actually really enjoyed it when it reissued.
Marc:So that's a movie where...
Marc:You know, I feel like people don't like that movie, but, uh, but yeah, Tenant's a movie that I rather enjoy that most people don't enjoy.
Guest:Speaking of that, are you, uh, do you have your, your ticket to go see Interstellar?
Guest:Oh, dude.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:I do.
Marc:You do?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Do you not like this movie?
Marc:No, I can't get a ticket.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:They're all sold out.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So look, here's the thing.
Marc:Truth be told, I've seen the fucker already, but I did not go to the Lincoln IMAX because I can't get a ticket.
Marc:So I went to Paramus Mall, and they have an IMAX.
Marc:It's not as big.
Marc:The LIMAX.
Marc:Yeah, the LIMAX.
Marc:Dude, it is...
Marc:One of the best experiences, and I gotta be honest with you, I think 70 millimeter IMAX at Lincoln Square might be too much for me.
Guest:Well, it is because there's too many seats that are non-functional.
Guest:Yeah, right, right.
Guest:It's like annoying that you have to be in like three rows and only like 10 seats within any of those rows where you get the ideal experience.
Guest:Although I saw Oppenheimer there and it was great.
Marc:Sure, but I saw Oppenheimer there and in LIMAX, and I got to tell you, I felt like I could wrap my hands around it more with the LIMAX.
Marc:Because there's just too much screen.
Marc:The fact that I have to actually look one way, then look the other, as if I'm crossing a street, it's too big, I think.
Marc:That's my hot take.
Marc:The Lincoln Center IMAX is too big.
Guest:And I'm well, so this you this comes from the guy who was ranting for years that you just want them to build more of these things.
Marc:Well, you can build the Limex ones like you can do that.
Marc:But I think that one is actually comically too big.
Marc:Like, I honestly think I think it's the biggest in the world or at least the country.
Guest:No, I think that's true.
Guest:I think that specific screen is the biggest IMAX screen in the world.
Marc:Yeah, so I don't think we need another one of those.
Marc:I think we need all of these LIMAX ones.
Marc:The ones that are like, okay, at least your brain can put in front of your face...
Marc:the the entire image and you don't have to like look around like because when you're turning your head it's just not fun like i've seen too many movies there where i'm like i get i mean part of the screen i i'm i'm looking at and i'm looking at the other part so yeah there was there was a point we saw megalopolis there and there was a point where i literally like had to stand up to see like what is going on down there right
Marc:Right.
Marc:It's a weird experience.
Marc:And factor in, sometimes they have 3D glasses, you know, a 3D movie, and it's just too much for me.
Guest:Forget about that.
Marc:But yeah, the LIMAX ones, and it is great.
Marc:I recommend go to the Paramus Mall.
Marc:Go to the LIMAX and go and see it.
Marc:Dude, I went recently.
Marc:I went by myself because my wife is just busy all the time when I'm not busy.
Marc:And I sat down.
Marc:Perfect seat, like, row G. And, you know, full auditorium.
Marc:And there was a woman sitting next to me.
Marc:And we had just the time of our lives at this screening.
Marc:Like, at the end credits roll.
Marc:And I turned to her.
Marc:I'm like, wasn't that fucking great?
Marc:She's like...
Marc:She was there by herself and she was just like, this beats this movie on a laptop for sure.
Marc:Because like, that's how I've experienced it until now.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Guest:That's brutal.
Marc:Yeah, so brutal.
Marc:And it was just an amazing experience.
Marc:The thing Christopher Nolan has made, and you were talking about it last week where you're talking about the Coen brothers being like,
Marc:you know, the, you know, theologians and everything.
Marc:And like, yeah, Nolan, I feel like is just this mathematician and scientist who just putting this stuff on film that this science stuff.
Marc:And man, he makes, he made a fucking brilliant film interstellar.
Marc:And I, if you can get a ticket, you should check it out.
Marc:Cause it is, it is such a great time at the theater.
Guest:It's like, it's like number four at the box office.
Guest:It's the movie from 10 years ago.
Yeah.
Marc:Also, keep doing that.
Marc:I don't need to see, I don't know, Craven in IMAX.
Marc:Like, just show the good movie.
Guest:I think I do need to go see Craven.
Guest:I saw the Rotten Tomatoes score on Craven.
Guest:I was like, hmm, this might be speaking my language.
Marc:It's the Leonardo DiCaprio in, you know, ooh.
Guest:Now you have my attention.
Marc:That might be a movie that we have to cover.
Guest:Yeah, Kraven the Hunter.
Guest:We shall see.
Guest:It's in the Madame Web universe, so it wouldn't be the first one we've seen.
Marc:That universe is folding, by the way.
Marc:I heard.
Guest:Maybe that's the thing.
Guest:We got to go see this and pour one out.
Guest:The Sony Spider-Man movie, non-Spider-Man movie-verse.
Marc:Marvel-associated universe.
Guest:Yeah, in association with Marvel.
Oof.
Guest:Well, maybe we will do that as the as the year turns.
Guest:We are we are wrapping up here.
Guest:We will do next week emptying out the mailbag of your comments, your suggestions.
Guest:We haven't done that in a while.
Guest:And I appreciate everyone who has sent stuff in.
Guest:So continue to send that in to us.
Guest:We will get to that next week.
Guest:And we're counting down the weeks here until we get to 2025.
Guest:So thank you for being with us this whole year on the full Marin and specifically here.
Guest:If you're listening to the Friday show, we truly appreciate you.
Guest:And until next time, I am Brendan, and that is Chris.
Guest:Peace!