BONUS Ariana Grande Just Left
Thank you.
Marc:Okay, so... Just let me know when you're rolling.
Guest:I'm rolling.
Guest:Oh, good.
Guest:All right, so yeah, this is Spontaneous, and I didn't know we would do this, and it's a day off here in New York, probably a lot of places, but it's like Lunar New Year, so I got a kid at home, I got piano practice going on, but I thought, hey, let's jump on the mics.
Guest:What does Lunar New Year have to do in anything?
Guest:Well, there's a lot of Asian, there's a big Asian population in the New York City school system, so...
Guest:Oh, so they got the day off school?
Marc:Day off school, yeah.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:I'm not even going to admit that I had no idea Lunar New Year was an Asian holiday, but yeah, go ahead and leave that in.
Marc:I'm like, you know, what's the fucking moon have to do with anything?
Marc:The piano lessons.
Guest:I'm not as savvy as people can.
Guest:To be fair, it's fairly new that the entire system is getting this off, I think only in the last few years.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Well, that makes me feel a little better.
Guest:But yeah, we just went through a kind of whirlwind, less than 24 hours of getting this on the books with Ariana Grande, which is an interesting thing because normally you'd think that's not usually, typically the type of guest who's on this show, but it seemed to make sense when it came up.
Marc:Well, you know, look, I it's a very odd thing with me and, you know, younger artists in the sense that, you know, what I've seen of Ariana and, you know, what I know of her, you know, outside of her dating Pete, who I who I kind of know, but like outside of tabloid.
Marc:you know, sort of awareness of her is that the bits and pieces I've seen of her and after seeing Wicked, you know, is that there's this undeniable specialness to her talent and her control of it.
Marc:Like, you know, she's a gifted person and you can see it in, you know, anything she does.
Marc:So I am generally kind of in awe of that.
Marc:I did not think that I would ever get to talk to her or that necessarily I would pursue talking to her.
Marc:But when the opportunity came up, I was like, well, yeah, because I like without knowing her music, even I know that there's this is a special person.
Marc:So, you know, I agreed to it and then, you know, it happened and it was touch and go because she didn't feel well yesterday.
Marc:She was a fan of the show.
Marc:She just didn't want to get me sick and didn't want to have COVID or whatever.
Marc:And then this morning she's like, well, I don't have COVID and I don't think I'm really sick.
Marc:And, you know, so she came and I'll be sick tomorrow.
Guest:But it's a very, it's a very like sprightly pixie-ish type of stick.
Guest:You'll get a very nice cold.
Marc:Yeah, I'll be able to sing in one, two more octaves.
Guest:The whistle register coming out of your nose.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But I didn't know really what to expect, but I handled it like I handle any sort of conversation I have with somebody whose work I know is impressive on many levels, but I just don't know it.
Marc:So I, you know, I got up and you said, she's coming and, you know, and, and, you know, but I did have a moment where I'm like, do I really want to get sick for, for Ariana?
Marc:And I thought like, yeah, why not, dude?
Marc:You know, if it's just cold.
Guest:That's a good story.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's you.
Marc:Oh, that's an Ariana Grande sneeze.
Marc:I got that from Ariana Grande, this sniffle, this cough.
Marc:It was a gift from Ariana.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I'm pretty sure John Mayer gave me my second, my first bout of COVID.
Marc:Oh, right.
Marc:Yeah, that's right.
Marc:I don't know where the second one came from, but, um,
Marc:But yeah, so I went to the gym this morning and I listened to her newest album.
Marc:And last night I listened to her first album and, you know, read up on her and then, you know, read the stuff that you pulled about her and, you know, tried to find a through line for myself.
Marc:But the one thing that stuck with me that I don't think I noticed enough, which is interesting, is that in these pop music, there's something indescribable about how somebody's...
Marc:Real voice comes through their voice.
Marc:Like, you know, like you listen to her and she can do all these amazing vocalizations of things, but there is something, you know, genuine and unique to her, not even phrasing, it's just literally the breath of her voice.
Marc:Right.
Guest:If it was, if it was just mimicry, she wouldn't be a star, but she's able to, to put a spirit in it that, that people feel it's an intangible thing.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's the same with a lot of things, you know, radio, but clearly on a much less talented level.
Marc:But, um, but yeah.
Marc:And I, and I could hear that and, you know, I found that to be kind of fascinating and I locked in on, you know, one song on there and I brought that up to her and it just so happened to be her favorite song.
Marc:And even though it wasn't one of the singles, um,
Marc:Um, but yeah, so I just, I didn't really know what was going to happen, but you know, not unlike any of these interviews, you know, publicist comes and then you're like, Hey, what's up?
Marc:And apparently the Charlie, my cat, uh, like who likes everybody, you know, attack this publicist, but yeah, I don't think we're legally, uh, responsible for any of that.
Guest:But, um, we, we have insurance for that.
Guest:I gotta tell you, that's legit true.
Guest:I have an umbrella policy that if somebody gets injured on your property, it's covered.
Marc:Um,
Marc:Oh, good.
Marc:I don't think she's going to press charges.
Marc:I think it was a minor disagreement.
Guest:Was it the main publicist?
Marc:Yeah, I think so.
Marc:Was her name Michelle?
Marc:Yeah, I mean, she'd been here before once.
Marc:Yeah, she's like a big deal.
Marc:Yeah, well, I guess she was just working in the house and Charlie laid down on her keyboard and she pushed back on that and Charlie, you know, pushed back on that and there was a little scuffle in there.
Marc:That's not his fault.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:But, like, right when Ariana showed up, she had a mask on.
Marc:But, like, she, you know, she's a very, you know, you get that vibe right at the middle where you're, like, right at the beginning where you're, like, well, this is going to be fine.
Marc:You know, she didn't seem guarded or cagey or, you know, she's very forward, you know, with her personality and her vibe.
Marc:And she's, like...
Marc:Yeah, I'm so happy.
Marc:And then we just got into it.
Guest:That's interesting, though, that she's so forward.
Guest:And you said to me right when you're done talking that she was very chatty.
Guest:I could not find many interviews like this with her, at least not for a great number of years.
Guest:She does not do a bunch of sit-down, long-form talks.
Guest:It's usually pretty short bursts.
Marc:Well, I think that, you know, some of that might be a testament to her, you know, growing up.
Marc:You know, like there's a way that you approach these kind of conversations when you're younger.
Marc:And you might not have a full handle on what you are, who you are, you know, what your place in the world is.
Marc:So I don't know when the last one would have been or why necessarily she didn't do them or doesn't do them.
Marc:But she's very, she knows who she is.
Marc:She knows the parameters of who she is.
Marc:She knows what she has to do to sort of, you know, continue being who she is and protect who she is.
Marc:And, you know, she's willing to talk about it now.
Marc:So that, you know, that's...
Marc:That's where it's at.
Guest:Well, I get the impression.
Guest:Let me tell me if I'm wrong or not.
Guest:I get the impression that she had to learn this long ago.
Guest:I mean, she's been doing this since she's in single digits of age.
Guest:And I got the impression from a lot of the stuff I saw that she really does a large portion of her own career management.
Guest:Like it's a lot of it is still in is in her hands.
Guest:She's guiding it.
Guest:It does not.
Guest:We've seen the templates of people, maybe not as famous or as globally popular as her, but we've seen the templates over and over again in this business of people who are very strictly managed and
Guest:And what kind of levels they're at and what they kind of allow themselves to do and say and the narratives they allow to create.
Guest:And then the people who are absolutely in charge of themselves.
Guest:And I got the feeling that she's in charge.
Marc:Yeah, I felt that, too, you know, without really talking about it.
Marc:But the way, you know, we got pretty, you know, music heavy for a while.
Marc:And it's clear how she evolved, you know, from the very beginning.
Marc:When she signed her first record deal, you know, she had a vision of what she wanted to do at that time.
Marc:And she went with the people that she felt most safe with and who would let her do what she wanted to do, as opposed to shape her into something that she didn't feel was safe or comfortable.
Marc:So, you know, from the get go, she was, you know, pretty, you know.
Marc:in charge of her creativity and what she wanted to do with it.
Marc:And I think that seems to have continued.
Marc:It seems that her engagement with her work is very hands-on, that a relationship with a producer is very collaborative to the point where she does a lot of her own mixing and her own
Marc:you know, vocal, you know, putting together all this stuff.
Marc:She sits with the computer and does it all herself.
Marc:And I guess that comes from, you know, doing it a bit when she was younger.
Marc:But it definitely seems that, you know, she's ultimately going to get where she needs to be creatively.
Marc:And she's going to have the last word on that and is very respectful of the people she works with and works with people that respect her.
Yeah.
Marc:She's not going to be taken for a ride.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, from the beginning.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Was there... Did you get a sense that all of this right now, the fact that she's, you know, an Oscar-nominated actor and she's in one of the bigger movies of the year and will be in the... You know, her career there is only getting bigger and this album was big and, you know, she always goes platinum whenever she's put something out.
Guest:Did you get a sense that...
Guest:she's got like plenty still left in the chamber or is this all like the culmination of it for her?
Guest:And she's not thinking beyond this.
Marc:No, I feel like, you know, a through line of it is that she sees herself as, you know, the artist that she is and that in her original intent,
Marc:And I brought up that thing that I wrote down the other day, that ambition is not a point of view.
Marc:And she found that very enlightening somehow.
Marc:That, you know, her intention early on was to sing.
Marc:It was not to make money.
Marc:It was not to make a pop, you know, a hit single.
Marc:You know, that she wanted to sing.
Marc:And I think what...
Marc:What struck me towards the end of the conversation, which I think is a very great part of the interview, was that when she was auditioning for this role, that she had the wherewithal.
Marc:You know, to work with a vocal coach and to work with an acting coach.
Marc:I mean, this is Ariana Grande, who certainly has complete control of her instrument for what she does.
Marc:But she realized that the character of Glinda and what it required vocally was something completely out of her wheelhouse.
Marc:It was operatic.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And it was, you know, a different type of of of octave and a different type, a completely different type of control necessary to do justice to this character that that was not in her wheelhouse to sing for this role.
Marc:So she had to very deliberately separate.
Marc:You know, everything that she is in order to honor the role of Glenda and learn how to sing appropriately for this type of role in this type of singing.
Marc:And also do the acting coaching that she needed to do to separate herself entirely from Glenda.
Marc:And if you watch the movie, she does that.
Yeah.
Marc:That is not like Ariana Grande as you know her as the singular pop singer that she is.
Marc:It's this other thing.
Marc:But she was very aware of that all the way through.
Marc:There was no cheating that.
Marc:So she went through a very extensive process of just getting to the audition to put that in place and having people around her, a voice coach, to sort of really kind of differentiate
Marc:you know, what she is known as and for and who she is from this role.
Guest:And it seems like the, the support structure she's got in place is pretty solid.
Guest:Like the family seems to be all still on board and intact, at least like her mother and her brother.
Guest:And she, it just seems like she's got it together on that front, which is not always the case.
Marc:Well, yeah, whatever, you know, uh,
Marc:trauma that was alluded to, not much, but just towards the end in terms of, you know, she talked about, you know, the necessity in, you know, managing a public personality that as big as hers, you know, in relation to all of the, you know, garbage that gets dumped on her for whatever reason by the tabloid press or predatory outlets that, you know, she has it contractually, you
Marc:In writing that, you know, if I'm going to do this thing that, you know, a therapist must be available, you know, to counter, you know, what what happens in on the other side of something that could be potentially this big.
Marc:So she's very, yeah, she's very sort of cognizant and proactive in processing the mental weight of being a public personality and all that comes with that.
Guest:I'm sure a lot of that comes also from, you know, the terrorist attack with her concert where that was probably something that left lasting ramifications.
Guest:And she knows that that the toll that that could take.
Marc:Well, yeah, I don't know that if it's that specifically as much as it is just managing hate.
Marc:But, you know, we've managed things like that before when they've come up in surprise, you know, like out of nowhere.
Marc:But even given the the the the the context of of the interview and the kind of sad things that, you know, she would rather not talk about.
Marc:They came up in a way she brought up Manchester on her own.
Marc:No kidding.
Marc:Uh-huh.
Marc:And even the grief around, you know, we talked about grief and death like 10 minutes in, and she was like, I knew this would happen.
Marc:And I'm like, all right.
Marc:But, you know, somehow or another, we were in that zone talking about grief, and it was clear that she had some.
Marc:You know, that's common knowledge, but we were able to have a general conversation about death and about loss, you know, that I ended up, you know, kind of moving on from it.
Marc:Because there was nowhere to go and we were 10 minutes in.
Marc:And I was like, all right, so let's talk about that voice.
Marc:Which is unusual for me.
Marc:But yeah, we talked about... Oddly, we got to...
Marc:Manchester through Judy Garland, through her mother playing Judy Garland music, and then me asking her if she ever covered any Judy songs, she said she did Over the Rainbow at that benefit for Manchester, and then kept doing it on tour as a tribute and a reminder.
Marc:So...
Marc:And then talking about that song a bit.
Marc:So, you know, but that also goes to show you that if you create an environment, a conversational environment that feels safe and engaged, that a lot of people, you know, will talk, you know, about things that they may not want to talk about on their own volition and in a way that they can handle.
Marc:Well, I always go back to Roger Waters saying you didn't want to talk about Pink Floyd.
Yeah.
Marc:That was ridiculous.
Marc:That was just fucking ridiculous.
Marc:I'm going in to talk to Roger Waters.
Marc:Yeah, Pink Floyd's off the table.
Marc:That's like talking to McCartney and saying, we'd rather not do the Beatles.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Because I made that joke to McCartney, which didn't really land as well as I wanted to.
Marc:When I met him, I said, I was introduced.
Marc:This is Sir Paul and this is Mark.
Marc:And I'm like, all right, so I hear that the Beatles are off the table.
Marc:Is that true?
Marc:But, but with Roger Waters, he's like, he doesn't want to talk about Gilmore or Pink Floyd.
Marc:And then like within two minutes, you know, he's, he's going in it, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's how it always goes.
Guest:Did I ever tell you that story about Liza Minnelli?
Guest:No.
Guest:We were, it was on, when I was working on Rosie O'Donnell's show and Liza was a guest and Liza's like one of Rosie's idols.
Guest:She loved her forever.
Guest:She loved her for life.
Guest:And so they, and they'd met before.
Guest:They knew each other regularly.
Guest:prior to this, but we're having her on the radio show and the radio show is done at Rosie's house.
Guest:We're up in Rosie's house and, uh, bring the guest to that, to the house.
Guest:The guest would be in the, in the bottom floor of the house.
Guest:Rosie's radio studio was on the second floor.
Guest:So, uh, they get there.
Guest:We send the producer down to deal with Liza Minnelli and, uh, they come up, producer comes up and, uh, says, okay, she's very adamant though.
Guest:Um,
Guest:She does not want to talk about her mother.
Guest:No talking about Judy Garland.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And like to tell Rosie, like Rosie was one of those people where it's like, if you told Rosie, don't talk about this, it'd be like the first thing she asks.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But in, in this case, it's like, don't talk about Judy Garland.
Guest:Who's like the person you want to talk about the most.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:So we're like, Rosie, just don't bring up her mother.
Guest:Like she's just, you know,
Guest:We don't want her to get up and leave in the middle of this thing, be pissed off.
Guest:And like, Rosie's like, fine, I get it.
Guest:You know, like she actually like came around to it, was okay with it.
Guest:So we bring Liza upstairs.
Guest:She comes in.
Guest:She's very nice.
Guest:She meets everybody.
Guest:She sits down, put the headphones on her.
Guest:You know, it's a live show too.
Guest:So we're like counting them in from a commercial.
Guest:We got one minute, two minutes.
Guest:And like, I'm standing there, I'm getting everybody's headsets on.
Guest:And the publicist is by me.
Guest:And she's like, whispers into my ear, make sure she's not going to bring up Judy Garland.
Guest:No mother talk.
Guest:okay got it yeah no mother we talked about it already yeah and I we get back into the control room I go into Rosie's ear Rosie no mother stuff just remember you know we're gonna keep this without it it's fine you got plenty to talk about like you know Liza with a Z whatever you want dude you go for it yeah okay good yes ready all right and we're on okay I'm here with Liza Minnelli and Liza goes oh Rosie mama would have loved you so much yeah
Guest:Literally the first thing out of her mouth.
Guest:And then it was all mama talk.
Guest:The whole thing.
Guest:Both of their mamas.
Guest:Oh, my mama.
Guest:And they're crying about their mamas.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:Yeah, I don't know.
Marc:And I think this is a question we've asked before.
Marc:Like, I don't know.
Marc:you know, what these publicist instructions are based on necessarily other than, you know, or when they were laid down as the rule or who manages that rule and whether it's a vigilance on behalf of the guest, like, you know, before every interview, they're like, I don't want to do this.
Marc:Sometimes I think it's something that was set in motion years ago or something that it's a, you know, it's a general no-no, but it's not, you know, there's not a vigilance on behalf of the guest necessarily.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:It could have been a thing they tossed off once because they were like, I'm so tired of talking about this.
Guest:Just tell them no talking about my mom or whatever.
Marc:Yeah, two years ago.
Guest:And then it just becomes a thing.
Marc:Yeah, exactly.
Marc:And the publicist has nothing to lose by laying down the law in that way, unless a talent gets off and says like, why didn't she even bring up my mother?
Marc:How is that even possible?
Yeah.
Marc:And then the publicist would say, that's a good question.
Marc:You know, we don't know.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But with Ariana, yeah, she, you know, her mother is, you know, it's all real Italian shit.
Marc:And her parents were, you know, not together.
Marc:And it seemed like that was probably the core of it.
Marc:It got very touching very quickly for me.
Marc:I felt that kind of weight, you know, in my heart, you know, at several points during this just because of, you know, she's very, you know, very earnest about things, you know.
Mm-hmm.
Marc:In that, like, you know, her parents didn't speak, you know, they didn't have a relationship, really a good one throughout her whole childhood, and they were divorced.
Marc:But when she was in her 20s, she got them back together, not as a married couple, but just to be like, you know, come on.
Marc:And now apparently they're best friends.
Marc:So, you know, it's kind of interesting.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:You know, it doesn't make up for the lost childhood part of it, but, you know, it's a touching story.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, well, I mean, that doesn't make up for the lost childhood, but it does seem like she filled her childhood in with stuff that most kids don't.
Guest:I mean, she's freaking on Broadway.
Guest:By the time she's 15, she's on this hit TV show and everything.
Guest:Like, that's a lot very fast.
Marc:Well, yeah, and that was one of the things going into it, you know, where...
Marc:Like, I was thinking about it, and I talked to you about it.
Marc:I mean, what does somebody, you know, who's this amazing talent and, you know, a billion-dollar act, you know, what is her life?
Marc:I mean, what does she do for fun?
Marc:And it's a weird thing about people, you know, especially people who are driven and are creative and, you know, not necessarily about the money, you know, to begin with.
Marc:Is that, you know, I end up asking her, she goes, you know, what do you like to do?
Marc:How do you live your life?
Marc:Are you able to be a public, you know, disappear into the public?
Marc:She's like, well, I like to go on walks.
Marc:I'm like, all right.
Marc:You know, and it's a very, you know, and they don't have time for much.
Marc:Do you travel?
Marc:It's the time.
Marc:Yeah, I've never, you know, she hasn't taken a vacation, you know, so, you know, I don't know when that stops, but it's a certain personality disposition, but it's much more, you know, endearing and appealing than, you know, somebody who is, you know, all they do is, you know, fly to private islands or spend time on boats with, you know, tech billionaires.
Marc:So, you know, that's not her trip.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Well, that was the thing when we got the message that she was sick and that she might not be able to do it.
Guest:I just assumed, OK, it won't happen tomorrow because that's the way these things go.
Guest:Like you don't you know, you don't get the tip off that it's not going to happen and then it happens.
Guest:It's not going to happen.
Guest:And then when we woke up this morning and they're like, she feels good.
Guest:It's happening.
Guest:I was like, oh, of course this, this is the mode she lives in all the time.
Guest:She didn't stop.
Guest:So she was, she was tipping us off to the idea of like, she's calibrating in her mind.
Guest:I might have to stop, which I never do.
Guest:So I'm giving you the heads up about this.
Guest:And then when she felt okay, who knows what level of okay she felt, but she's good enough to go.
Guest:It's like, you know, Taylor Swift didn't miss a day of that concert from illness.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it's got to be the same mentality.
Guest:It's like when they're feeling shitty, they still power through it because that's just the mode they've been in since they were little kids.
Guest:There was something I was reading about her when her first album came out.
Guest:It was like an interview with The Guardian or whatever, 2013.
Guest:And they were like, she was in the midst of 12 hours of promotion.
Guest:when they talk to her, and that's a typical day for her.
Guest:They said, dude, she works 16-hour days, and there's a kid at the time, you know?
Guest:So that mode, they're in that, and it just, I guess, becomes like a shark.
Guest:You just keep swimming.
Marc:I guess, you know, but there's also...
Marc:You know, having been in that mode in a minor way, you know, it is also part of the gig.
Marc:And, you know, you do find a zone to operate in that.
Marc:And a young person's game.
Marc:She's what?
Marc:She's 31?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But she, you know, like the publicist said, she's always, you know, right on time or a little early.
Marc:But she was like a half hour early.
Marc:And, you know, the publicist was like, well, we can wait.
Marc:And I'm like, no.
Marc:I'll get it together, you know?
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:But she just, yeah, she's definitely a worker.
Marc:But she really, like, even talking about being on the set of Wicked, you know, where, you know, she tells a great story in the conversation about the AD, you know, coming up to her, wanting her, you know, to push her turnaround.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, and they were about to do that.
Marc:What's that big song in the Wicked?
Marc:The ending one?
Marc:Define Gravity?
Marc:Yeah, they were about to do that.
Marc:And she's like, I don't give a fuck.
Marc:I've been waiting my whole life to do this.
Marc:Push it anytime.
Marc:We're here.
Marc:They're doing 14-hour days, 16-hour days.
Marc:And she's like, yeah, let's do it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So, you know, that's just, you know, who she is and she's got the energy for it.
Marc:She's a live wire for sure.
Guest:Well, I was saying it to you yesterday and I really didn't come up with too many others.
Guest:We don't have we don't typically have people on the show who are global superstars.
Guest:I mean, it's like, you know, Bruce Springsteen, the president.
Marc:Who's the other R&B singer that like I didn't know anything about that we had?
Marc:Janelle Monae.
Marc:No, I was kind of up to speed on her.
Marc:And, you know, I'm open-minded enough and I can listen to music enough to at least, you know, lock in to kind of get where they're at, you know.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And that helps a lot.
Marc:But Ariana, like, is, you know, she's engaged.
Marc:She has...
Marc:you know, a point of view, and she's outspoken.
Marc:And I didn't expect that.
Marc:You know, you expect these people to be at least, you know, if they're not managed thoroughly in terms of how to present on these things or have gotten kind of a, you know, a narrative that they go to, you know,
Marc:You know, you kind of expect that and you maybe you can get around it for a second.
Marc:But she was, you know, all in and, you know, clearly in charge of her own brain.
Guest:Well, that's great.
Guest:I'm excited.
Guest:Like, you know, I was it's funny when when these things happen, especially with a quick turnaround.
Guest:And I like really have to, you know, just figure.
Guest:hunker down and do a bunch of research and then you obviously have to do the same you have to really focus on the person like you said you focus on the music but when you do this kind of crash course in a person like I don't know if you feel the same way but I become like I then become like a sponge like I just want to absorb as much more information especially filling in gaps of research that I did so like I'm excited to listen to this now because I'm like oh this will kind of fill out the picture of the homework I just did yeah well yeah for me it just becomes like
Marc:You know, you load up with it and it doesn't necessarily stay with me, but but the loading up, you know, where everything is immediate, like, you know, I listen to her new album and an hour later I'm talking to her.
Marc:It definitely informs and makes it different.
Marc:And also just sort of, you know, loading up on, you know, her story.
Marc:You know, in picturing, you know, her life, it definitely makes a, you know, it's I sponge it up, too.
Marc:I don't know that I hold it as long as you.
Marc:But but the immediacy of it, you know, right before I talk to somebody makes a big difference.
Marc:Yeah, because like, you know, I don't know if, you know, it makes up for.
Marc:You know, not being familiar for a lifetime with this person or being familiar with them from a different point in my life or being a fan or whatever.
Marc:But, you know, if I fill myself with them and their work, you know, it's all right there.
Marc:I don't need to be like, you know, I was listening to the first album when I was, you know, in a bad point in my life or whatever.
Marc:It's just almost a distance from that makes it better because it's all I'm working it all out my head, you know, in front of them, you know.
Guest:All right.
Guest:Well, good job.
Guest:And if you get the sniffles, let me know if they have any pleasing hooks to them.
Guest:Well, you'll hear it on the next show.
Guest:All right.