BONUS The Friday Show - Butternut What???
Guest:How's it going?
Guest:Fine.
Guest:I cut myself, I don't know, combing my hair.
Guest:I didn't even know that was a thing.
Guest:Well, cause you're not used to doing that.
Guest:No, I guess not.
Guest:I'm not used to doing that.
Guest:So wait, you cut yourself where?
Guest:On the scalp?
Guest:I guess.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So it was like a blade job?
Guest:yeah yeah basically and uh i don't know how it happened uh and i'm just like what the fuck like you gigged you you should be in a death match and uh i was like oh i guess this is what people do like this is like i have to learn how to do adult shit like combing my hair hang on wait pause
Marc:I don't think anybody does that.
Marc:I don't think anybody was like, oh, fuck, I forgot.
Marc:I didn't know how to do this.
Marc:And I cut my scalp open, combing my hair.
Marc:That seems like a you problem.
Marc:Not everyone knows how to do everything, Brandon.
Marc:hey chris hey brandon uh how's it going over there for you you dealing okay with all this winter it's fine i'm really ready for it to be over it is just like perpetual like coldness yeah this was the first year i mean i'm a lifelong northeasterner and this is the first year of my life where i'm like
Marc:I think this shit is for the birds, man.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like all these old people have the right move to go South in the winter.
Marc:I mean, like, I don't want to go to Florida, but like, I don't know, dude, it's the Caribbean's looking like a nice place to camp for a few months.
Marc:Now if I could just get my kid out of the house, that would be, that'd be the key.
Guest:I never understand how you would like parents deal with children in the winter when it's like I open up my weather app and it's like in the teens.
Guest:I'm like, ooh.
Guest:Now it sucks.
Marc:Little kids, it's fine because a little kid will be like, yay, go outside.
Marc:And they'll go out and turn into icicles and just be thrilled about it.
Marc:All you got to do is like lure them back in with a cup of hot cocoa and they're totally pigs and shit.
Marc:But like, yeah, now it sucks when it's like...
Marc:surly teenagers who don't want to do anything and and you're all stuck inside garbage and you know it's like i've spent way too much time in my life being like the social events coordinator and like i'd like a break from that my wife don would too and it's like now we have to do it more because it's just like less like it's it's like if you don't do it
Marc:he's going to sit around and look at the iPad all day or, or, or play video games.
Marc:And it's like, and take no initiative with anything else, which it's like, it's fine.
Marc:I remember doing that too.
Marc:I was a teenager and I can, I can totally understand it, but it's like, Oh my God, I have to like plan the whole weekend.
Marc:Oh, fuck.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's why I was in the scouts when I was a kid.
Guest:Like, oh, cool.
Guest:You go somewhere on Monday, you go to a basement of a church.
Guest:Great.
Guest:And then like, oh, what you do, you camp out and like, I don't have to see you.
Guest:Fantastic.
Guest:Like, of course.
Marc:It's so funny that when you become a parent, you understand that other, that parents and other adults were doing that to you just to get you out of their hair.
Totally.
Marc:john mulaney also has that whole bit about uh he was out drinking with friends and uh the this one uh friend of his who was a teacher was like getting really sloshed and he was like don't you have to go teach school tomorrow and she's like oh i'll just put on a video and he was like that's why teachers showed videos
Guest:Right?
Guest:Like, oh, my God.
Guest:I have to now look back and remember why we were watching whatever video that was being played during English class.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And like whatever bullshit excuse a parent told you about summer camp, it was just like they were like, get the fuck out of here.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Go away.
Guest:100%.
Marc:Well, I was I was stuck inside and it's you know, it's been it's been a it's been a brutal winter.
Marc:It was, I guess, the perfect winter for me to do six hours worth of podcast guesting six plus hours, frankly, on the cinephiles podcast.
Marc:where i talked about mad max fury road over three sessions three three parts awesome and uh two hours each uh so two hours longer than we talked about total recall so i think that's appropriate yes that is uh but yes if anyone out there would like to listen i'll put a link in the episode description this was the podcast i was on with steve morris and john roca two great guys uh who
Marc:Love film as much as maybe more than Chris and I do, because they've both been involved in the film industry.
Marc:And and they were gracious enough to invite me on to talk about Mad Max Fury Road, which I really did not take lightly.
Marc:Like I was like, hang on, that's a lot of responsibility.
Marc:I better be up to snuff for this.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You're, you're like a Spider-Man with great power comes great responsibility.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Like, I mean, like what, what, like I, I honestly couldn't think of other things.
Marc:Like maybe like on one hand, there are movies with like more pressure to me to talk about, right?
Marc:Like the Godfather or like Citizen Kane or probably like Star Wars.
Marc:Cause you know, you're just going to take shit from all sides.
Marc:You know, we're talking about Star Wars.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But like, yeah, this one, I, I took it very seriously.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I can't wait to listen.
Guest:I actually asked you earlier.
Guest:I was like, oh, did that podcast drop?
Guest:And like, I did not know that there were three whole episodes.
Marc:Yeah, well, so far only two.
Marc:The second one dropped today.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:But I will put the link to the first episode in the description here of this episode.
Marc:And you can link to that and go subscribe to The Cinephiles wherever you want.
Marc:You can also join their Patreon where they do bonus episodes and a lot of
Marc:uh user uh generated content just like we're doing here on the friday show which uh put a pin in that later on i've got basically two things that came in from listeners that i think will spur some conversation for me and chris uh one of them kind of surrounding this snl 50th anniversary that we've been talking about lately and the other involving uh movies that take place at a particular time so uh that's still to come uh i think right now we can get into what's been going on this week in the world of wtf i
Marc:I should say, before we get into WTF stuff on the air, off the air, some news that broke yesterday.
Marc:Apple TV Plus announced that June 4th is the premiere date of the new television series Stick.
Marc:which I have not yet decided whether you like the name or not.
Guest:Does it have an exclamation point, but it's in like the form of a, a putter or I have not seen a logo.
Marc:I mean, obviously you could do that with the T or the I as well.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That's true.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:A little golf ball with the dot stick though is funny because the only thing I associate with stick is the Burt Reynolds directed Elmore Leonard movie starring Burt Reynolds.
Marc:And it's really terrible.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And but but I do always remember that Charles Durning is in that with a great wig.
Marc:He looks quite ridiculous.
Marc:And there is a there's a tremendous it does.
Marc:I will advocate for stick for one scene where there is a guy who was a stuntman, a real a real stuntman playing one of the henchmen in the movie.
Marc:Like he's not just a guy doing a stunt.
Marc:He's a character in the movie.
Marc:And he his whole existence is so that he could die doing a tremendous stunt.
Marc:And he does a a free fall off the side of a building with no safety harness.
Marc:It was just a fall into a net or a retaining device below.
Marc:But yeah, it's a crazy stunt.
Marc:It's I believe that guy's name was hang on.
Guest:I feel like I know this.
Guest:Is this like a famous stunt?
Marc:Dar Robinson is the name of that stuntman.
Marc:I believe he died shortly after this stunt in a fairly routine car stunt.
Marc:Like something that was not particularly challenging, but that's the life of doing stunts.
Marc:Like you could...
Marc:with just a very simple thing could go wrong.
Marc:And, but this one, which was filmed like two years before his death is him falling from this hotel and shooting the gun as he falls.
Marc:Like that's why they wanted him to do this without a wire.
Marc:And this is in the days before they could remove the wire.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And he's he it's like Bert is leaning over and he's grabbing Bert and then Bert lets him go and he falls and shoots as he's shooting.
Marc:And I don't know why this stuck with me so much.
Marc:I remember seeing it as like a behind the scenes thing on some random thing was probably like on TV, like the world's best stunts or something.
Marc:And I remember because Burr Reynolds directed that movie, he like made the whole cast and crew get together before it and sit and do silent prayer for this guy that he would make it out of this stunt alive.
Marc:And I was just like, what the hell?
Marc:And then I remember watching stick and it's just total garbage.
Marc:But like I do, I still remember that stunt.
Marc:Oh, I'm going to seek this out.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, I'm sure you're going to do a Dar Robinson stick fall or something.
Guest:There's a director's cut apparently, a Burt Reynolds director's cut of stick.
Guest:So Mark is not starring in a remake of this movie.
Marc:No, Mark is in a different stick, which when I first saw the script, it was called Price Cahill, which is the Owen Wilson character's name.
Marc:And I think they were probably thinking like Ted Lasso, right?
Marc:Like just name it after the guy.
Marc:But for whatever reason, they moved away from that.
Marc:And then it was called Rambler for a little while.
Marc:I have no idea why.
Marc:But I started to see that on like Mark's like schedule, like shooting for Rambler this day or whatever.
Marc:I'm like, oh, they've changed the name already.
Guest:Rambler sounds like something Owen Wilson's character in Royal Tenenbaums is like whispers.
Marc:Friscalating dusk light.
Guest:Yeah.
Rambler.
Marc:Yeah.
Rambler.
Marc:I got to go.
Marc:Vamanos amigos.
Marc:Yeah, so that comes out on June 4th.
Marc:I have not yet talked to Mark about it because he's over in North Carolina and Tennessee and then I think going to Kentucky.
Marc:So I have not spoken with him while he's been on the road.
Marc:I don't know what his reaction is to stick, although I did get this text from him as he was flying.
Marc:He said, taking off for Charlotte, no Wi-Fi.
Marc:Hope I can keep it together for four hours.
Ha ha ha.
Marc:and keep it together.
Marc:I texted.
Marc:So knowing that he wouldn't see it until he landed, I said, hope you're able to keep it together for a flight.
Marc:That was like every flight prior to 10 years ago.
Marc:I,
Marc:I just love that he's like sitting on this thing and like, oh, no, what am I going to do?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:What did you used to do?
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:What did you do for 50 years of your life?
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Be with your thoughts.
Guest:Like, I don't know.
Marc:I understand that that's not great for him sometimes.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But he must have done something.
Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like watch a movie.
Guest:Like, I don't know.
Guest:Just like read a book.
Guest:Like, you know, there's a bunch of things that you can do.
Guest:But no, I love that he's like, oh, no Wi-Fi on this.
Guest:I can't even imagine how he was like just being sitting next to him, be like, fuck.
Marc:but here's the other thing i should amend my my text to him like i i sent that as a joke but the reality is i'm wrong like it's not like flights were 10 years ago 10 years ago you didn't have a a movie screen in front of you that played every movie you could possibly think of like right you maybe had like one choice of a t on a tv and sometimes that didn't work
Guest:Oh, dude, you remember those days of like, all right, here's the movie, and it's like Shrek 2, and we're all going to watch it together.
Guest:Put your armrest channel to channel 2, and you can listen to it.
Marc:the film bride wars there it is 2009 so i was flying sometime after 2009 it had to be because the movie that movie you know came out in you know that year so it's either like later that year or the next year
Marc:And that's like a romantic comedy with Kate Hudson and Anne Hathaway.
Marc:And that was playing on every screen.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Like the ones up high, the ones, the screens that were up high.
Marc:So like, that's not long ago.
Marc:Fifteen years ago, we were all watching Bride Wars on this fucking plane.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:Well, like, you know, this is this actually feeds into something that we were going to talk about later, but we might as well just talk about it here.
Marc:Because this idea of like time, time passing, right?
Marc:This came up around this SNL 50.
Marc:and uh which by the way we should talk about a little bit after i mentioned this but uh but darcy wrote into us and darcy i believe we have two darcy's who wrote in this week because this darcy is a he on the signature and the other is not the other darcy wrote in to say that we inspired them to go see things in the movie theaters more regularly and that is great i think that's super cool and
Marc:And I don't but I don't think that's the same person who wrote in to say this.
Marc:Darcy wrote, like you both, I broke into SNL in the early 90s.
Marc:I seem to recall my first being Kevin Bacon's episode shot through with Desert Storm references.
Marc:Then I discovered the original cast somehow.
Marc:I fondly remember the 15th anniversary special on VHS, bringing me to my question.
Marc:A fun game I play sometimes is realizing how close a past event was to a historic event.
Marc:Then realizing that I'm now further away from the middle event.
Marc:For example, the 15th anniversary, I thought seeing them celebrate what happened 15 years ago was so long ago.
Marc:And now here I am reminiscing about a TV show that was 35 years ago.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So it's like I get that.
Marc:I do this play this game in my head all the time.
Marc:Darcy said that that's the kind of thing that just makes him feel old.
Marc:Another one is that realizing when Paul McCartney brought down the house with Hey Jude on the episode he was on doing the Chris Farley show was closer in time to Hey Jude actually being released than we are now to the passing of Chris Farley.
Marc:So it was 1968 to 1993 versus 1997 to 2025.
Marc:That is quite the gap.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:So, Darcy, want to know what are some cultural universe twisting revelations you've had about SNL or about anything else that make you feel suddenly very old?
Marc:I just had one happen recently, so I will share that.
Marc:But did you think of any?
Guest:Dude, I think about it all the time.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:When I would watch TV – like when I think about like season three of Seinfeld or SNL when I was a kid, it was like 35 years ago, right?
Guest:And if – at that point in time, 35 years ago from that point in time was like 1957.
Guest:And television was like, I love Lucy and leave it to Beaver and stuff.
Guest:And I'm just like –
Guest:Those things could not be further in the past.
Guest:And like now we're at a point where that like Seinfeld or SNL at that point is at the same length in time as those shows.
Guest:It just kind of freaks me out, honestly.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But, you know, I think people probably just say like, oh, well, that's time.
Marc:That's how this stuff works or whatever.
Marc:And I don't know.
Marc:I don't know that I agree.
Marc:I do think there's something about the fact that we have a culture now that kind of repeats so much stuff, you know, like like, you know, the way movies are rebooted or you'll have a sequel to Beetlejuice that's 40 years later.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Then the original, like that wasn't happening.
Marc:And so therefore all the little iterations of things from the fifties onward to like the eighties, those felt like leaps.
Marc:Whereas now there's these little incremental movements and then all of a sudden you're back to where you started in the nineties.
Marc:with something something culturally so I definitely don't think it's just like a recency bias or your own time passing I think it's a problem now I've seen people refer to the culture we're in now as the stuck culture and I think that's apt
Marc:Like, I do think we are stuck in a lot of ways and not producing as much new and exciting and culture changing stuff.
Marc:It's a lot of going back to comfort zones, probably because of like, you know, Silicon Valley investment in this stuff and Wall Street investment in this stuff where it's like, hey, hey, hey, I don't care about your new ideas.
Marc:Just do the thing that already made us money.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:This existing IP is a billion dollar idea.
Guest:Just just riff on that.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Well, I'll tell you, the moment that I thought of this, it connects both things because it is an example of the stuck culture, frankly.
Marc:And it was when I went to see the which I talked about here on the show.
Marc:I went to see the Back to the Future musical.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Which is already like, you know.
Marc:Oh, you're mining this thing that you're just putting the thing that it already was on a Broadway stage.
Marc:So it's like, you know, it's not you're not creating anything new, really.
Marc:It was a good show.
Marc:I liked it, but it wasn't new.
Marc:It was back to the future in musical form.
Marc:But.
Marc:But at the end of the thing, they they have the DeLorean, you know, like the way the movie ends roads, you know, we don't need roads and the car takes off.
Marc:So they have the car take off on the stage and above it, like on a screen, you see what's on the dashboard.
Marc:And they put that day's date into the dashboard so that the car then flies out over the crowd.
Marc:And it's like, oh, look, it came to your audience.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Because they entered that date.
Marc:So the date it entered was January 1st, 2025.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And the movie takes place in 1985.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So that's 40 years.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Now, if like, if I sent my son in a time machine back to 1985, I don't think he'd be too confused by it.
Marc:Like he generally get around and he'd be like, all right.
Marc:I remember they don't have cell phones yet or things like that.
Marc:There's all right.
Marc:A pay phone.
Marc:I remember what a pay phone is like.
Marc:It's all stuff that's in his consciousness.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Think about the movie back to the future and he gets sent back and it's like an alien landscape.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And like people are like, well, what are you wearing this life preserver for?
Marc:It's like all these jokes about how crazy different the culture is.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That was 30 years prior.
Marc:So we are now 40 years away from back to the future and back to the future was 30 years away from where they sent him back to an alien landscape.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's wild.
Marc:I do think about this all the time with music too.
Marc:Like, you know, again, my son is listening to a lot of stuff from the nineties.
Marc:He watches a lot of TV shows that I think like were meant to appeal to like millennials, like, you know, SpongeBob and regular show and these cartoons that have a lot of like references to like nineties music and stuff.
Marc:So he'll always ask, like, if we're in the car, we'll put something on.
Marc:And like, I was thinking about it.
Marc:30 years ago, right?
Marc:So stuff that came out in 1995 was like Radiohead's The Benz.
Marc:Like, that still seems pretty contemporary to me, right?
Marc:I mean, like, it feels like it was a while ago, but it doesn't feel like that's an ancient form of music.
Guest:That's classic rock or something.
Guest:Right, right.
Marc:Smashing Pumpkins, you know, Melancholy and the Infinite Sadness.
Marc:That came out that year.
Marc:So like, you know, Tonight, Tonight.
Marc:Yeah, okay.
Marc:Like, if you hear that on the radio, you're not like, wow, that's like...
Marc:Oh, I feel old now.
Marc:I'm listening to that song.
Marc:Do you know it would have come out 30 years before 1995?
Marc:The number one song 30 years before 1995 in 1965.
Marc:Is it like the Beatles?
Marc:Wooly Bully by Sam the Sham.
Marc:That's insane.
Marc:That feels like, that feels like the oldest people who ever listened to music listened to Wooly Bully.
Marc:Oh my God.
Marc:The first, the first human who ever heard a song coming out of the radio heard Wooly Bully.
Guest:Totally.
Guest:It's like, like, it's, it's like, uh, people seeing a movie for the first time in a theater.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The train coming at you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Where they're ducking out of the way of a train.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That's insane.
Marc:Oh man, I feel old.
Marc:Well, I even do it.
Marc:I think about it with this show, with WTF.
Marc:We came on in 2009.
Marc:So 15 years before 2009, Friends came on.
Marc:Like that was the premiere of Friends.
Marc:By 2009, Friends was on Nick at Night.
Marc:Oh wow.
Marc:Like Nick at Night when I was a kid was like for like make room for daddy and like father knows best.
Yes.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Or Lassie.
Guest:I remember watching Lassie all the time on Nick and Ben.
Guest:Do you?
Guest:Lassie to me was one of the channel changer shows.
Guest:Oh, no.
Marc:I'd hear that song and be like, no, thank you.
Guest:I loved Lassie.
Guest:Well, I had a collie.
Guest:I'm pretty sure my dad stole this dog.
Guest:Anyway.
Guest:Oh, God.
Marc:It took a dark turn.
Marc:You're like, I liked Mr. Ed, too.
Marc:We won't get into that one.
Yeah.
Marc:I got shit to tell you about horses.
Guest:I would watch Alassie and wait for him to shake your hand at the end.
Guest:It was great.
Guest:But no, you were like, click, get up.
Marc:Yeah, you hear that whistle?
Marc:I was like, no, thank you.
Marc:I know where this is going.
Marc:Kid's in the well.
Marc:Dog's going to find him.
Marc:Waste him my half hour.
Guest:It's like Nightbone.
Guest:There's always a well.
Guest:Or a fjord.
Yeah.
Guest:I used to love Lassie.
Guest:God damn, that was a show.
Marc:Well, thank you, Darcy, for writing that in and spurring that thought.
Marc:We did get to watch the SNL 50th, which, you know, it was three hours.
Marc:It was very long, but there was enough to enjoy on it.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yeah, it was great.
Guest:You know, loved, loved, you know, it's funny.
Guest:The best part of it was just the audience and seeing who is sitting next to who, in my opinion, you know, like.
Marc:Some of that stuff was just classic trolling though, too.
Marc:Like, like.
Marc:You know, oh, we're just going to this is going to be hilarious if you see in the crowd that, you know, Larry David is sitting next to like, you know, Wednesday Adams or whatever.
Marc:Like they just absolutely did goofy things for that purpose, like almost like a Simpsons poster.
Marc:You know, you're just like random characters together.
Marc:I don't understand why it had the musical acts on it.
Marc:Didn't they have a concert the two nights before for that purpose?
Marc:I think just padding.
Guest:It was padding.
Guest:They didn't want to write any more material.
Marc:Wait, wait, wait.
Marc:Hold up.
Marc:So, okay.
Marc:They didn't want to write any more material.
Marc:What I thought the show was severely lacking was clips.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Well, just put more of these classic clips.
Guest:That's what I want to see.
Marc:I mean, look, man, some, some shows are not clip shows, you know, I get it, but they had some clips, but like confined to like very specific categories, right?
Marc:It was like the commercial clips and, uh,
Marc:pratt falls like we they were weird it wasn't like a you know why not just do like hey and now instead of you know five minutes of miley cyrus singing a prince song it's like why not just take that second and do like and now here are our most famous sketches yeah like who wouldn't want to watch like five minutes of just a super cut of like the greatest moments
Guest:And they did a clip where it's problematic characters.
Marc:That was very funny.
Marc:That was very funny.
Marc:I laughed at that, especially the captions on it.
Marc:There were just ones where they were like, yikes.
Guest:A prior WTF guest, Adrian Brody.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:He just said, whoa.
Guest:Like Joey from Blossom.
Marc:I like the one where they were like, this was not as long ago as you would think it was.
Guest:I also like the one that was like, there's so many.
Guest:There's so many things.
Guest:A lot of problems here.
Marc:I will say, and I think you will agree with me on this.
Marc:Three hours of that thing aired.
Marc:There were innumerable, very funny people.
Marc:People who just make you smile and, you know, professional entertainers.
Marc:That's the business they're in and they do their jobs well.
Marc:There is still nobody that is funnier than Eddie Murphy.
Guest:Just no one.
Guest:No one.
Guest:He's the Babe Ruth.
Guest:It's unbelievable.
Guest:I mean, when he wants to turn it on.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:He just knocks it out of the park.
Guest:Effortless.
Guest:Effortless.
Guest:Him doing Tracy Morgan in front of Tracy Morgan was like, I'm going to replay it when we're done because it's just so funny.
Marc:Yeah, because you know what he was doing there, too, is that classic Eddie thing.
Marc:He used to do it on the show where when he knows he got a laugh doing something, he will then just he doesn't care what's coming next.
Marc:He's like, oh, I'm doing more of that because like there were parts where people had lines to go and he's like, nope, still going.
Marc:And I'm like, yeah, do that.
Marc:You're the best at it.
Guest:Keep it going.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I also love that, that it's so obvious for that whole night.
Guest:It was like, he was the, the like linchpin or just like this special guest.
Guest:And it's funny that we're celebrating 50 years of the show and he's like the one cast member who Lauren Michaels didn't have anything to do with.
Marc:No, nothing.
Marc:Nothing.
Marc:It's the guy who, the guy who produces the Olympics decided this would be the star of the show.
Marc:And he was right.
Marc:But now, you know, so the interesting thing about that though, is that like, I do wonder if Lauren actively works to make sure there are no other guys like that and women like that on the show.
Marc:Like, I think it's a strategy.
Marc:It's like, no one should be bigger than the show to the point where, you know, when you, if you were watching SNL from, you know, 1982 to 1984, you,
Marc:You were not watching for the cast.
Marc:You were watching for Eddie Murphy.
Marc:You were watching the Eddie Murphy show.
Marc:And that's what Dick Ebersole thought it was.
Marc:Like he didn't care about anybody else.
Marc:He was like, no, it's just Eddie all the time.
Marc:And when there's no Eddie, we'll have all the other characters standing around going, where's Eddie?
Guest:Like that's.
Marc:that's the strategy to the point where when he left to make beverly hills cop it was like an unspoken sin to put sketches on tape but they did they bet they they banked oh wow tons of sketches i don't mean like filmed sketches i mean like they would do like like a tv taping where they would shoot a bunch of stuff in front of an audience i don't
Marc:know that so they could have it while he was gone right so i bet you because you you hear about all these people and you see it when we watch that that audition special right where they're like it's like jim carrey didn't get on snl like is there a guy who seems more built for snl frankly like the fact that he then just easily became the best cast member on another sketch show right should tell you that and i bet you that part of lauren's like talent assessment is like nope that person's too much
Marc:Like they're too, too big of a star and are going to dominate this thing.
Marc:And the success of the series is that it's like an ensemble cast and everybody gets to pick their favorites.
Guest:Hmm.
Guest:That's an interesting theory because I know you've also had that theory about like the WWE, right?
Guest:That's true.
Marc:Like that was, that was a Vince thing for real because he had too many of the people he built up as stars leave and
Marc:And then he was like, well, fuck this.
Marc:I'm not doing this anymore.
Marc:We're going to make the brand the star.
Marc:And, and it was like, you know, everyone was always, that's why all that stuff started happening where like the, the big, their big moment was to point to a sign where it's like, I'm going to main event WrestleMania.
Marc:It wasn't important who the people were.
Marc:It was important that they were main eventing WrestleMania.
Marc:And he because he had just got he got burned by Hulk Hogan.
Marc:He got burned by Steve Austin.
Marc:He got burned by The Rock.
Marc:And I think Brock Lesnar was the guy who was like the last straw.
Marc:And he was like, we're not doing this anymore.
Marc:It's going to be.
Marc:You know, I'll build a guy in house and he'll be my star, but we're never going to have anybody bigger than the than the logo.
Marc:Hmm.
Marc:So, yeah, probably the same mentality, right?
Marc:I wonder.
Marc:I wonder because, like, you know, Lauren, if anything, always talks about fit.
Marc:Right.
Marc:He talks about like the, it might just, it might not be that somebody is not a good, it's just that it's not a fit for now.
Marc:And I can see him sitting there when somebody comes in and he's like, this person's just going to blow everyone away off the screen and it's not going to be a good fit.
Hmm.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, you know, and I saw Stephen Colbert's audition and it's funny because it's like, that's another guy who would probably be a great fit on Saturday Night Live and just like, yeah, just wasn't there for probably that same reason.
Guest:Like, yeah.
Marc:Well, yes, I did enjoy watching that.
Marc:We also, obviously, I'm sure you listened to some WTF this week, particularly because I know you love The Brutalist.
Marc:So did you listen to that guy?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:This guy, Brady, how do you say his last name?
Guest:Corbet?
Guest:Corbet, like sorbet.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Delicious palate cleanser for you.
Guest:I thought he was a palate cleanser for sure.
Guest:This is a guy who I just dig.
Guest:I can point to a minute, like 44 minutes in, this guy is just talking like, yeah, a lot of Hollywood is just going out and
Guest:you know, going to Nobu, taking your friends out to Nobu and like putting it on the movie's, you know, expense.
Guest:And like, man, that guy is speaking truths.
Guest:And I think he's also kind of subtweeting people a little bit.
Guest:Oh, sure.
Guest:So I'm pretty sure he's not going to win the Oscar for Best Directing because –
Guest:Probably people listening to that who know who they are and know what, you know, who they're talking or who he's talking about are going to take offense to that.
Guest:And because that guy was speaking truth, man.
Guest:And like God hasn't made any money from these movies.
Guest:Like, how is that even possible?
Guest:Like, that's astonishing to me.
Marc:Well, I'll tell you what, that whole thing blew the fuck up, apparently.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:It's basically like the Sam Elliott thing, just not like totally mainstream, but like all the trades, you know, Variety and Deadline and Hollywood Reporter and The Rap, they're all doing stories about that.
Marc:Really?
Marc:And yeah, like in some ways, like...
Marc:questioning him like like i saw the deadline thing yesterday that was like we put this to the test and we're not really sure that he you know it made no money it might be deferrals and it might like i bet it pissed some people off you know and it just definitely feels to me like it's a third rail that like if you're in that industry you don't talk about that
Marc:I'm not sure if he stepped on it deliberately, you know, because he wanted to cause some friction, or if he's just a guy who says things that are, you know, that are impolitic.
Guest:But you know what?
Guest:He's not wrong when he says that, you know, in this liberal town of Hollywood, that everyone is super liberal socially, but creatively, they're very conservative.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You know what?
Guest:He's not wrong, man.
Guest:Like, and it sucks when people hold a mirror up and you see the warts, but like, I don't know, people probably need to have a mirror to see what exactly they are, you know?
Marc:That said, to play devil's advocate.
Marc:He didn't make any money off of this.
Marc:He's saying, it's like, bro, you made a four hour movie about Adrian Brody shooting heroin.
Marc:What'd you think was going to happen?
Marc:You thought that was like the money train.
Marc:Have you seen it by the way?
Marc:I have not yet.
Marc:I will try to see it before next week because next week we will talk about the Oscar movies.
Marc:I'm going to try to see as many of the ones that I haven't seen before then.
Guest:Yeah, I'm still hovering my remote around Amelia Perez.
Guest:I know.
Marc:Every time I go to press it, I just hear that one clip that I've been seeing everywhere of the guy going, penis to vagina.
Marc:And I'm like, I don't know.
Marc:I don't know if I'm going to do this.
Guest:Not today.
Guest:Not today, devil.
No.
Marc:I'm like, maybe if that was in it more, I'd watch it.
Marc:If it was just like a whole movie of the guy going penis to vagina, then maybe.
Guest:Oh, shit.
Guest:I also loved what he was saying, Brady was saying about finding your favorite artist as a kid, you know, and like finding your own path.
Guest:I'm like...
Guest:you know, looking back, you know, and seeing who, you know, who your, your favorite artist was like, like as a kid, I remember like looking at the back of like a Rolling Stone magazine and like being like, Oh, best indie albums, like indie albums I've never heard of.
Guest:And being like, Oh, built the spill.
Guest:I I'm going to seek that out at the record store.
Guest:And I just became a fan of that, of that band.
Guest:I was the only one I knew who was a fan of this band and loved them.
Guest:And like, did you ever have that?
Oh,
Marc:Oh, sure.
Marc:And probably more the way he was talking about it, like with movies, like I've talked about a lot of times that I've subscribed to a lot of film magazines and stuff.
Marc:So like, yeah.
Marc:And that was, you know, you didn't have a streaming service or something, you know, that would just...
Marc:you'd be able to scroll through and watch whatever you wanted so if you were interested in something you'd have to go seek it out right you'd have to like kind of either figure out like oh i can rent this at this video store or you know uh if it's ever on tv i'll record it like there there was you know an active engagement in going and trying to find that stuff
Guest:And I guess Quentin Tarantino is probably your guy.
Marc:Yes, although I mean like his Pulp Fiction being his second movie and it blew up so big.
Marc:It wasn't like that was like some hidden figure.
Guest:True.
Guest:You know, I will say I found Wes Anderson at a very like young time.
Guest:Like I used to love Bottle Rocket.
Guest:I had the VHS.
Marc:Well, I remember Bottle Rocket was sold to me through MTV.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like MTV, like I think they gave him like best newcomer award at the MTV movie awards in like, you know, 1996 or whatever.
Marc:And I had a friend who worked at the video store and I would ask him to put aside movies for me.
Marc:And I had him put that aside for me.
Marc:I was like, is there a movie called Bottle Rocket?
Marc:When that comes in, can you put that aside?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then Rushmore came out and just like, oh, wow, this guy, this guy's got the juice, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I also loved Brady being like, you know, enjoying Mark's, what was it?
Guest:He called it the blame structure.
Guest:You know, I really enjoyed that.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Mark seemed to be really proud of that because it came up again.
Guest:But also loved the cathedral.
Guest:What do you say?
Guest:Brady was like, oh, I worship at the altar of cinema.
Guest:I really love that turn of phrase.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, sure.
Marc:I, you know, I don't know.
Marc:I've heard some from some people who said they thought the guy was pretentious or whatever.
Marc:I don't know, man.
Marc:It sounds like he's just a guy who loves the movies he's making.
Marc:And I'm not going to like hold that against him.
Marc:I guess like I remember listening or really reading.
Marc:I don't really know that I heard his voice directly back at this time.
Marc:But I remember reading a lot of Paul Thomas Anderson interviews like from Magnolia era.
Marc:And he sounded the same, like in print anyway.
Marc:Like, I do think that like, you know, these guys who are very skilled at what they're doing, they might get up their own asses a little bit about it, but it's earnest.
Marc:Like they believe what they're talking about.
Marc:They're not like putting on airs or being posers.
Marc:And like, yeah, maybe when this guy gets a little older, he'll have a little more hindsight and, you know, soften his views a little bit or feel like he may be...
Marc:examined his old views and changed them.
Marc:But also I'm sure there's plenty that he's going to go, wow, he's right about that.
Marc:You know?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And I, I, I find him to be a bit like Christopher Nolan, where he made this, this beautiful film, just like Chris Nolan did with Memento, his second, you know, film and,
Guest:And it was this astonishing thing.
Guest:And then he just is able to take that, you know, success and move into this new, you know, tier of.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And hopefully keep control of it the way that Nolan did.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, totally.
Guest:So yeah, I have high hopes and I honestly think that that's what we're seeing in this guy.
Guest:So I'm on board with this guy.
Guest:Maybe I'm pretentious as well.
Guest:But yeah, I dug him.
Guest:I also dug the bonus episode.
Guest:So did Demi Moore's dog stay in the garage?
Marc:Yeah, I think it was on her lap the whole time.
Guest:That's insane with like a bottle of water.
Guest:I mean, a little thing of water and stuff.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Did you ever have the edit?
Guest:I guess you didn't.
Guest:You ever edit out like a bark or anything?
Marc:No, I left them in the episode.
Marc:Like there's a couple of times where she says something to the dog and like, that's what, so, so in that outtake,
Marc:there's her mentioning the dog.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And I kept that in the episode.
Marc:Like if you go back and listen to the episode, that part is in it, but all the stuff about her squeezing her contact lens out of her face, like I took that out.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Fucking awful.
Guest:By the way, I don't do contact lens.
Guest:You do contact lenses.
Guest:No, no, never.
Guest:Nope.
Guest:No, I did it once.
Guest:And it was a fucking nightmare.
Guest:Like the idea of touching my eyeball.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Get the fuck out of here.
Yeah.
Guest:not for me.
Guest:Uh, yeah, not, not a fan of that, but yeah, that's wild.
Guest:That dog was a very well behaved dog.
Marc:I think that dog is like, it's got its own Instagram page and everything.
Marc:It's a famous dog now.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I hope that dog goes to the Oscars.
Marc:I'm sure it will.
Guest:Also, what's this turtle that was upside down for Ariana Grande?
Guest:There's a turtle in Mark's garage.
Marc:Oh, there's a little glass turtle on Mark's desk.
Marc:And I think it says WTF on it, like in the shell.
Marc:I think a fan made it.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And how does Mark, and look, obviously love the guy.
Guest:How does he not check the guest's headphones?
Guest:Like that was wild to me that he's like, oh, oh, you know, the guest puts on the headphones like, oh, I don't hear anything.
Guest:And then it's like, oh, really?
Guest:And then like, and then he's like, oh, I, oh, I fixed it.
Guest:It's like, oh, what'd you do?
Guest:He's like, I turned it up.
Guest:I turned the volume knob up.
Marc:Well, for one, he's not you like you, you, that was your job.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And so like you go in before anyone sits down and you just check in everything.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:He's just like, okay, now I'm sitting down and now I'll check everything.
Marc:Even those guys sitting right across from me.
Guest:God bless them.
Guest:God bless them.
Marc:I just, I don't know if you're aware, Chris, sometimes things are done a little on the fly.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:In fact, I should share this with you.
Marc:See, you don't have any idea about this because you listen to like the full Marin feed along with these fine folks and you don't hear commercials anymore.
Marc:But this week we had a commercial for a home chef, which, you know, require Mark to talk about the food that he got from them.
Marc:Oh, boy.
Marc:And like he knows what he got.
Marc:Right.
Marc:He ordered the thing.
Marc:He ate it.
Marc:And it's on the page, but I don't think he ever reads the things first.
Marc:You know, I like he just he just says like reads it cold when he got it.
Marc:And if there's a problem there, he'll work through it in the read.
Marc:And then that's on me to edit it.
Guest:I love these.
Marc:Well, yeah, we got this this week here.
Marc:Why don't you take a listen?
Marc:My home chef kit came with a Cuban style avocado and quinoa bowl.
Marc:And another with one pot butternut content.
Marc:Fuck.
Guest:And another with one pot butternut squash chowder.
Marc:man that guy curses great holy shit i also love that those are always like it's it's like he goes right to the worst ones like you know like if i'm if i'm doing something i'm in the middle of work and i screw something up i'm like ah shit or whatever like he's like cunt your mother whore you
Guest:He goes right into the worst of the gutters.
Guest:Oh, baby.
Guest:See, that's why I kind of missed the commercials.
Guest:I kind of missed them.
Marc:Well, nobody heard that except you.
Guest:So that was not on the show.
Marc:I don't think Home Chef would still be our sponsor if it was.
Marc:Unless they have a new menu item that I'm not aware of.
Guest:Butter what?
Guest:That's great.
Guest:Oh, shit.
Guest:You know, I do want to get some Home Chef.
Guest:I'm going to listen just to get your promo code.
Guest:Oh, listen to that.
Guest:Yeah, go back to the blue feed.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But I will say about food, when Mark and Mo were talking about food, maybe really want to go to Houston.
Guest:I've been mulling a trip to Houston because my, you know, just reasons, like I want to go see the Mets, honestly, play the Astros.
Guest:And I think that might have tipped the scales.
Guest:I might be going to Houston and going to those lovely places that they talked about.
Marc:Well, it's amazing because you got, you know, all that cultural food from, you know, diverse populations.
Marc:But then it's Houston, so there's barbecue, too.
Marc:Like, you know, it's just like, I guess you could probably go on a pretty decent food tour of Houston.
Guest:By the way, though, with Mo, I really enjoyed the very end of that interview when Mo was saying goodbye to Mark and, like, just...
Guest:it was just nice to like, I don't know, have these two guys kind of just like, you know, Hey, we're, we're almost done.
Guest:I just want to say thank you for doing that.
Guest:You know, just like, this is cool.
Guest:I've always wanted to be here.
Guest:So I just thought that was really fun.
Marc:Well, good.
Marc:I'm glad we had, it definitely seemed like a full week to me, like, uh, you know, good, thorough conversations.
Marc:Um, and, uh, you know, whether or not we got our ad reads done on, uh, in, in, in full or not.
Marc:Um,
Marc:And yeah, good stuff coming up in future weeks as well.
Marc:I know that we already teased the fact that we've got Don Johnson coming on, which is very fun.
Marc:Carrie Coon next week, who's on the new season of White Lotus.
Guest:Oh, awesome.
Marc:And you know her from Gone Girl and The Leftovers and Fargo.
Guest:The Leftovers is so good.
Guest:She's a great actress.
Guest:yeah leftovers is like a show i watched when i had the flu like years ago and i i honestly thought that it was like a fever dream like i just binged the whole show it probably felt like that even if you didn't have the flu if you binge that show yeah i i had like pneumonia i think oh my god like it was it was wild i was like i
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I think this show is the greatest show I've ever seen.
Guest:And Carrie Coon is like a big part of it.
Guest:So yeah, excited for that.
Guest:Is this the end of Oscar campaigns?
Marc:The episode on Monday was the last one because the voting closed on Tuesday.
Guest:Gotcha.
Guest:Gotcha.
Guest:I must say, I enjoy the Oscar campaign season for this show.
Marc:Well, you know, somebody who works at a cast or, you know, our hosting partner, they said, uh, uh, this is basically a signature of your show now.
Marc:Like you guys are like an Oscar show.
Marc:Like when that time type of season roll rolls around, it's like it's signature.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And actually, do you, I mean, I'm sure you probably like, do you root for former guests to win?
Guest:You know, like, are you like, come on, Asian Brody.
Yeah.
Guest:No.
Guest:No?
Guest:You don't care?
Guest:You're not like, oh good, that's going to help us booking next year if four out of the five people that were on the show won Oscars?
Guest:Does that ever know?
Guest:No.
Marc:I mean, I don't think so, because I mean, I don't think I think, you know, in general vote like no one assumes that anyone is going to like you increase visibility around Oscar season.
Marc:You're not guaranteed to win an award.
Marc:Right.
Marc:People still have to vote.
Marc:So it's just a matter of do you get your your.
Marc:Do you get your your client if you're, you know, trying to get them an Oscar, do you get them in front of the right people to vote?
Marc:And somewhere along the way, it was assessed through the you know, that in the industry that our show has a lot of sway with Oscar voters.
Marc:Uh, if I, uh, am being honest about it, I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that Andrea Risborough got a nomination a couple of years ago.
Marc:Um, you know, and, and it was something that Mark was featuring on the show weekly saying like, you know, this, this is a great performance.
Marc:You should watch it.
Marc:I hope you watch the movie.
Marc:And then people did.
Marc:And I think, you know, industry wise, people took notice of that, but I, I, you know, I,
Marc:I think that it's not to me, it's not a concern that they win or that they do well or whatever.
Marc:It's like, I don't care about the end result of the Oscars.
Marc:I care about did they have a conversation on here that is that that reflects well on them and their decision to do the show.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:You know, even if it's, you know, this thing with Brady Corbett, where obviously it's going to cause him a little grief.
Marc:But that's like what he said.
Marc:It's like the Sam Elliott thing.
Marc:It's like it's not something Mark did to fuck with him.
Marc:That was the platform he was given was our show.
Marc:That's what he chose to say.
Marc:And it obviously has reach because it's got coverage in all the trades.
Marc:Well, great, great week.
Marc:Well, thank you.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I mean, the Oscar stuff is over.
Marc:Obviously, we won't stop talking about movies.
Marc:We have plenty of movie stuff going on on the show and guests.
Marc:And, you know, that's part of the lifeblood.
Marc:But we also like to talk about it here on the Friday show.
Marc:And one of the people who knows that is our listener, Brett.
Marc:who wrote in, and I did want to do this question before we wrap the show today, because this is a fun one.
Marc:He said, I'm sitting here watching Scorsese's After Hours, and I thought it might be fun to hear you two talk about the best or worst films that take place in one night.
Marc:and that's a good question because i started thinking about it and it's like one day you can list those forever there's lots of movies that take place in one day we've talked about a lot of them on here dog day afternoon the paper quick change but like high noon that's one day die hard is one day super bad uh the link ladder movies right before sunrise dazed and confused even like you could i mean i just i just rattled off like
Marc:you know, five off the top of my head.
Marc:It's honestly a great genre.
Marc:Like, Oh yeah.
Marc:You could fill a streaming service with just one day movies, you know?
Marc:Totally.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:But so then the thing about one night is that there's also like a gray area, right?
Marc:There's movies with like a lot of things going on at night, but like, there's still too much in the day, you know, like, like night of the living dead.
Marc:It's like, it says night in the title, but if you don't have that first scene in the daytime, you know,
Marc:it's not the same movie, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's not, not as famous a movie, but I was thinking about the same thing with, with bad times at the El Royale where like, it's almost all at night, but you have to have the day where they all show up.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So like, I'm going to scratch those, but you know, if Brett is bringing up after hours, that does pose a question.
Marc:And that after hours has two very brief moments,
Marc:scenes of daylight right like he's at work in the beginning of the movie and then in the morning of the end of the movie comes back to work right so it's the bookends and and there's daylight but the movies all at night right like all the dominant action of the movies at night i don't think you could i think you could argue if
Marc:If these are like things that happen at the credits of a movie and they're not necessary to the movie itself, I still think you can call it a one night movie.
Marc:Like After Hours absolutely seems like a one night movie, even though it's got a little daytime in it.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:And I mean, look, I feel like one night is a very, very like, you know, hard thing to do because they're, you know, as a director, as a filmmaker, you kind of want to have a little change of scenery at least.
Guest:I guess.
Marc:Although I thought of two that I think are the best one night movies.
Marc:Now, one of them has a slight amount of daylight in it.
Marc:Slight.
Marc:So I think it counts.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The other is fully at night.
Marc:Although I just do think that the, that the one that I thought of with a slight amount of daylight is the best one.
Marc:Like that's my favorite.
Marc:We have not talked about this.
Marc:So I'm interested to find out if you thought of the same movies.
Guest:So the movies I thought about and, you know, they're, they're not, you know, I have a wide variety of what I enjoy.
Guest:And I'm going to stop preambling and just say Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlist.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:That's all night, one night.
Guest:Isn't it?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because now I'm nervous.
Guest:I'm like, I don't know if there's a fucking sunset scene or not.
Guest:But yeah, Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlist.
Guest:Love that movie.
Guest:So that's one I thought about.
Guest:Judgment Night is another one.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Definitely.
Guest:Jeremy Piven.
Guest:It was Dennis Leary who plays the big bad in that movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Great, great soundtrack.
Guest:Great movie.
Guest:And then the other one I thought of, and I'm now thinking that it's probably disqualified, but it's Before Sunrise.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:They're in the daytime on that.
Guest:Are they?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:On the train and everything.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So that's probably disqualified.
Guest:That's a one day movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So what are your thoughts on a one night movie?
Marc:All right.
Marc:Well, so fully at night and absolutely no daylight in the entire thing is Escape from New York.
Guest:Oh, God.
Guest:Is that one day?
Guest:Yeah, of course.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:It's one night.
Marc:I mean, he's flying in and then he's got like an hour and a half to go get him.
Marc:Like it's a real ticking clock movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So that one definitely counts.
Guest:Is the other Carpenter movie also a one-nighter?
Guest:The Thing?
Guest:Which one?
Guest:The Thing?
Guest:No, because the dog shows up in the day.
Marc:Oh, right.
Marc:The dog.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Our favorite dog.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Okay.
Marc:Uh, and they go to the other day.
Marc:Oh, there's two days.
Marc:Now that I'm thinking about it, it's not even a one day movie because they go to sleep and then they wake up and they fly to the other location.
Marc:Right.
Marc:You're right.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Um, okay.
Marc:But so I love this game from New York and that's a great one night movie.
Marc:I will say though, I think the best one night movie, even though when it opens up, the guy's getting ready in the daytime, but he's getting ready for a night shift.
Marc:So I do, I think it's the same as after hours.
Guest:Um,
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Collateral.
Guest:Oh, that's coming on Criterion, by the way.
Guest:I haven't watched that in forever.
Guest:Oh, I watch it all the time.
Marc:It never goes wrong.
Marc:It's amazing.
Guest:I can't wait.
Guest:Yeah, it's collateral.
Guest:That's a great one.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Hmm.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I'm excited.
Marc:You know, when you, when you watch that again, we should definitely talk about it.
Marc:Cause like that's, that's like, that's a great cruise movie to talk about.
Marc:Like if we want to talk about Tom Cruise and what he is as a movie star, that's a great one.
Guest:Well, I think that's his like resurgence, right?
Guest:Like he was kind of like bottoming out at that point.
Marc:No, no, no.
Marc:He made that.
Marc:And then the next year he bottomed out.
Marc:He makes collateral.
Marc:And then the next year he jumps on the couch for War of the Worlds.
Marc:Oh, I thought this was in like a vanilla sky era.
Marc:He was, it was vanilla sky, which was an underperformer, then minority report.
Marc:That's a big hit.
Marc:And then the last samurai, which is like a surprising hit.
Marc:It's like one of those classic Tom Cruise things where everyone's like, well, that's not going to make any money.
Marc:And it did.
Marc:So like he, by collateral, he was still on, on top.
Marc:It was weird that he was playing the bad guy.
Marc:Like people definitely were like, well, that's interesting.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But he doesn't bomb out till the next year with War of the Worlds.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:But yeah, in March, I'll be watching Collateral.
Guest:So yeah, we can definitely talk about it.
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:It's so good.
Marc:If you haven't seen it in a while, you're forgetting how great it is.
Marc:Oh, really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's all LA, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's LA.
Marc:It was one of the first movies shown in theaters that was entirely digital too.
Marc:And you know, he, yeah, he, he plays around with that because it's night photography in LA and it looks, you know, it looks weird.
Marc:It looks like it doesn't look like a film, especially because at the time they were still working out like, you know, the full integration of all these digital cameras and everything.
Marc:So it, it definitely works for it.
Marc:Then the look of it.
Marc:And that's why I love it so much as a good one night movie, because you're like, Oh yeah, this,
Marc:It's just like how do the right thing.
Marc:It's like a great movie to represent summer in New York.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like collateral is what I think of as night in LA.
Marc:Like if I'm in LA driving around at night, if I'm like, Oh, am I fucking Vincent?
Marc:Like what's going on here?
Guest:That's great.
Guest:I, is panic room a night movie?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:That's a one night.
Guest:That's a good movie.
Guest:I haven't seen that one in a long time too.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I, that's the thing I have never seen.
Marc:I, I don't think I've ever seen panic room after seeing it once because that to me is like the farting preacher where I'm like,
Marc:I got to not watch that or else it's going to not be good.
Marc:Like, I feel like panic room, like the game, another Fincher movie is one of those things that like, if you watch it again, you're going to be like, ah, man, I wish I hadn't have done that.
Marc:I wish I kept that where it was in my head.
Guest:I think I have the game on DVD somewhere.
Marc:That was a one and done, man.
Marc:I was totally satisfied.
Marc:And I was like, I can't ever watch this again or I'll hate it.
Guest:Well, I bet Panic Room holds up a little bit better.
Guest:Like Jared Leto is, you know.
Marc:Well, definitely also the skill of it, right?
Marc:So like just the filmmaking skill of like this one location and all the little things.
Marc:But you know what?
Marc:Hey.
Marc:the link is in the episode description.
Marc:Send in your thoughts about movies that only work once.
Marc:What is a movie that you saw once and you never wanted to watch it again?
Marc:Or if you did watch it again, it wasn't as good and you screwed it up for yourself.
Marc:I would love for us to talk about this.
Guest:That's, that's great.
Guest:That's great.
Guest:What's, what was the cowboy movie with Sam Elliott?
Guest:Way of the dog.
Guest:That's like, so at once, never again.
Marc:Yeah, but that's, that's more like, no, thank you again.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Right, right, right.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Well, if you do want to contribute to that, I will put the link in the episode description.
Marc:Next week, we will basically have an Oscar week here.
Marc:Mark and I'll do something on Tuesday.
Marc:And Chris, you and I can go through our Oscar, I don't know, favorites, predictions.
Marc:I'm not one for predictions because I usually think everybody knows what's going to win anyway.
Marc:But I do like talking about it.
Marc:I like doing the Siskel and Ebert thing where it's like, well, if we got to pick.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I like that as well.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Well, so that will be next week.
Marc:And like I said, Carrie Coon next week on Monday's WTF.
Marc:Chris Hayes in a crossover McDonald production on Thursday's WTF.
Marc:So Carrie and Chris next week, Don Johnson and and Bonnie Prince Billy the following week.
Marc:Those are some previews for you.
Marc:And Chris and I will be back here next Friday.
Marc:So until then, I'm Brendan and that is Chris.
Marc:Peace.