BONUS Marc on Movies - Are We Good?
Guest:So, yeah, we're going to talk about the documentary, but Delroy Lindo just walked out of there.
Guest:And so how'd that go?
Marc:He went great, man.
Marc:I mean, it's one of those things where he shows up with all of his Delroy Lindo-ness.
Marc:How big is he?
Marc:He seems real big.
Marc:Not that much bigger than me.
Marc:I thought it would be bigger.
Marc:He's not like 6'6", but he's probably 6'2", 6'3".
Marc:All right.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I don't know the work that you put in in terms of thinking about...
Marc:How he handles himself out there publicly and what kind of challenge it would be.
Marc:But I don't know.
Marc:We got to talking on the way in about something.
Marc:What the hell was it?
Marc:It was something mundane.
Marc:And, you know, he got some laughs.
Marc:And then he got in here.
Marc:He had to do some stuff.
Marc:It was one of those ones where, you know, we had thought that he wasn't going to be cagey about his, you know, going too deep into his childhood.
Marc:But maybe that wasn't the way to go or whatever.
Marc:But we were already chit-chatting.
Marc:And then we talked about music and we talked about starness.
Marc:And, you know, magic.
Marc:And, you know, I talked a little bit about the movie Sinners.
Marc:But like in the last 15 minutes, oh, dude, it all came down.
Marc:You know, I mean, it was, you know, we got there talking about dad's parents, him parenting, how he was parented, racism, the Caribbean migration that his mother was involved in and colonialism and, you know, our own sort of insecurities.
Marc:So like it.
Marc:It kind of wove its way through, but he's a thoughtful guy.
Marc:But I mean, I think the issue that we were considering initially was like, am I, or are we going to engage on that level?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Well, and what I had said to you was that I think the best thing to do is to just take that as a given and
Guest:and approach it from like okay if we get there we get there let's see how we get like i saw it as a challenge for you and the reason i should tell people this the reason why i'm saying why i was saying this to you was because i saw direct quotes from him saying i prefer not to be known i don't need to be a known human being to do my work and it was very similar to like what happened when you had john c reilly in there that he was like you know john c reilly was a little more um funny about it i gotta keep my mystique
Guest:Keep my mystique.
Guest:But what he meant was, you know, it's part of the work I do is to kind of get audiences thinking that I'm a character, you know, not that I'm me.
Marc:I immediately realized that with me, I'm too known.
Marc:And, you know, everyone's always going to see me as me.
Marc:Even if you see Brad Pitt as Brad Pitt or Clooney as Clooney, not that I'm comparing myself, but, you know, everything about my workings are out there.
Marc:So if I just don't do that, I'm doing something amazing.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Look, it's all in there, man.
Marc:I mean, it all came down to it and it was sort of all in there from the beginning.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And it was real good, you know.
Marc:I mean, I had no real problem at all.
Marc:But I did think at some point, well, we're just going to talk about acting.
Marc:Because there was a sort of movement to keep it there in a way.
Marc:But not acting like acting, talk acting.
Marc:But just about, you know, his process and not even his process, who inspired him.
Marc:It was just not...
Marc:the depth was always sort of there, but then it got, it really got there, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, I mean, it's just, I, I, you, you said it yourself that you guys were chatting as you walked in there and probably, you know, joked about some things.
Guest:And I just can't underscore how important I think it is that we don't have what everybody else has nowadays in terms of like a professional looking studio with cameras set up and everything.
Marc:He had to tell, he had to call his makeup artist or not to come.
Yeah.
Guest:Oh, I mean, but that's so green.
Guest:Relieving that probably was to his brain.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's so good.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, he's working on a book, and I think that might be part of the reason why he's not that forthcoming.
Marc:He's trying to hold it, you know, for the book.
Marc:And it feels like it's, you know, he's almost, you know, done with that.
Marc:And so, like, whatever he's been doing for the last year or so, in terms of his personal life, that probably was part of the reason he didn't, you know,
Marc:tell too many stories and the stories he told were enough yeah well also now if he's he's got that stuff near enough to the surface like you said once you're in there for 45 minutes or whatever it's going to come out but uh but it was good you know and it really kind of had nice nice pace to it and he's a thoughtful guy
Guest:Well, that's great.
Guest:I was very optimistic about it, frankly.
Guest:When I did the research on him, I thought, this is a guy Mark can get through to.
Guest:If anything, just to have a good conversation.
Guest:It didn't have to be, you know, exposing of any personal stuff that he didn't want to expose.
Guest:But I'm glad it wound up getting there even with that.
Marc:Yeah, it was interesting.
Marc:And, you know, it was good.
Marc:And we got worked up about dads and it was good.
Guest:Yeah, and you'll be talking to the director of the film he was in, too, Ryan Coogler, which I think will be a totally different conversation.
Guest:That guy's a really thoughtful dude as well, but definitely approaching stuff from his own way.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Directors are always good.
Guest:Well, speaking of directors, you have just come back from South by Southwest last week.
Guest:You were there with the director of your, well, I don't call it your, you are the subject of it, but it's the documentary directed by Stephen Fine Arts called Are We Good?
Guest:And that was your first time watching it with other people, right?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Other people other than Stephen, yeah.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So, well, you've spoken about it on the show here.
Guest:You've said, you know, when you watched a cut of it, you know, it was like somewhat uncomfortable for you just to kind of.
Guest:And you said humbling.
Guest:I don't know if you said uncomfortable.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And and then you kind of had that reaction all over again watching it at South by.
Guest:But I wonder if the experience was different with a group of people.
Yeah.
Marc:Well, you know, there are other things, you know, going through my mind, you know, like with with other people, you know, I'm thinking like, well, is the funny parts landing, you know, you know, because there's a lot of footage of me workshopping jokes.
Marc:And, you know, in the room at the Dynasty typewriter or wherever, I'm getting good laughs.
Marc:And I'm sort of like, what's up with this audience?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:They realize that they're on the outside of looking at the process.
Marc:They're not in it.
Marc:They're not there for a comedy show.
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:The cat's got some good laughs.
Marc:It's weird as a comic, even in the midst of all the stuff that's unfolding in the doc.
Marc:I'm like, well, there's some definite laugh beats here.
Marc:What are we doing?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But the cats were, you know, they really held the screen well.
Guest:They tied the picture together.
Marc:They did.
Marc:You know, it's very funny because Sam Lipsight says that thing about my relationship with my cats.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:He talks to them like they're roommates.
Guest:Slightly annoyed with having to live with.
Yeah.
Guest:But I love that his reaction to that, though, is that that's why it's a solid relationship because there's respect there.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Well, it's so funny when I talk to Sam, like, you know, one of my cat's name is Sammy.
Marc:So like a lot of times I'm on the phone with Sam and I'm like, Sammy, Sammy.
Marc:Sammy's like, me?
Marc:No, I'm talking to the cat.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I actually just was talking about it like this.
Guest:It does make me want.
Guest:I wonder if he'd be able to do it.
Guest:I would really like your dad's reaction to this movie.
Marc:Interesting.
Marc:You know.
Marc:Oh, I'll send it to him.
Marc:You know, I'll definitely send it to him.
Marc:He really did well, which was smart.
Marc:And I noticed some of the little things that he did was like when we're at my dad's house and I'm having that moment with Rosie and my dad, he does a quick cutaway to the little Trump medal, you know, the little Trump coins that she has in her little view box or whatever the fuck it is.
Marc:And that's it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And then it cuts away to that.
Marc:And, you know, and we transcend that, you know, with the emotions.
Guest:It's very important that the only interactions in the movie of you and Rosie are very tender, actually.
Guest:You're very nice and generous toward her.
Marc:I am always.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:That's what I'm saying.
Guest:It's like it's...
Guest:actually accurately reflective of your relationship there, which I think is probably surprising to people that they're like, doesn't he, isn't this the, isn't he big liberal?
Guest:He hates Trump or whatever.
Marc:Well, I do, but, but you know, like maybe I'm old school, like, you know, ideologically and in a general sense, you know, I have, you know, problems with, with, with,
Marc:why and how people can can align themselves with that.
Marc:But not almost always, you know, you get face to face with people and their people.
Marc:And there is a separate operation going on outside of ideologically being worked up or or or mind fucked.
Marc:You know, there still is a fundamental, usually a fundamental essence to humans.
Marc:And like even recently when I was in one of the cities I was in doing the show, you know, a guy comes up to me and he's like, I'm probably the one Trumper that was in here.
Marc:And I'm like, so how did I characterize it?
Marc:Pretty well.
Marc:And he goes, yeah, he's crazy.
Marc:And I'm like, all right, whatever the fuck that means.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I didn't want to pursue the conversation anymore.
Marc:But, you know, but that was very telling in that.
Marc:You know, how and why and just how shallow the the motive for voting for the guy was.
Marc:And, you know, I don't know how many of them will wake up to anything, but like they're just they're not it's it's not a deep well of investigating what he represents and and and even sort of being able to foresee what's happening now or whether they even know in any real way what's happening.
Marc:No, no.
Guest:The true believers, there's a very small percentage.
Guest:Yeah, go ahead.
Guest:Sorry.
Guest:Well, just people in general, they don't have a true core of conviction around it.
Guest:It just was a thing they did one November.
Guest:They voted for the guy.
Marc:But also, yeah, that's it.
Marc:The reporting that they're getting now is not going to enable them to see anything clearly or frame it.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:So it's like they can still say, well, I don't like some of the things you're doing.
Marc:It's like there's no reason to like any of it.
Marc:Right.
Guest:you know i go back to your dad it's like and not your dad having to do with politics your dad having to do with the you know sometimes with his mania and he'd get these ideas and he'd either send you a note or he'd call you up yeah and then you'd call him back and you just you know we have recordings of this where you just like laying into him just yeah obliterating him of like in a very funny way of like the ridiculousness of whatever he was saying and he's just laughing and laughing and he's like yeah yeah
Guest:I know.
Guest:I know.
Guest:No, but really, you should just take a look at that thing that I said.
Guest:That I think is very illustrative of like most people's way of dealing with politics.
Guest:Like that guy saying to you, oh, yeah, he's crazy.
Guest:It was because he just sat through you.
Guest:accurately outlining why the dude is a problem and is dangerous.
Guest:And he's not going to argue with that.
Guest:You had it.
Guest:He's like, yeah, you're right.
Guest:But in his mind, that doesn't change that he's like a Trump supporter or a voter.
Guest:It's like these things just all exist at the same time and at the same level of acting on them.
Marc:Yeah, but also these people like the trolling thing.
Marc:My dad likes that kind of attention.
Marc:He likes to, you know, poke and start shit.
Marc:And he knows he's dumb about that stuff.
Marc:And then, you know, when you come at him with something intelligent, he's just excited that, you know, he got you worked up.
Marc:And that's the whole appeal of Trump.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:Well, there's not much Trump in the movie.
Guest:In fact, there was a Trump archival piece of footage that you had Stephen take out, right?
Guest:Yeah, because it's just, it's like cancer.
Yeah.
Marc:You know, it's like, why don't we remove that tumor from this fucking body?
Marc:Even if it's for a second.
Guest:It's operable, too.
Guest:It's not like you've gone past the point where you can't take it out.
Marc:Oh, yeah, take it right out.
Marc:Like, it just polluted the whole thing.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, like, because it was about me and what I do with the podcast and where podcasting went.
Marc:And then there's a quick cutaway to Trump on Rogan for like four seconds.
Marc:And it's so jarring.
Marc:I'm like, why have him involved at all?
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:There's no, I mean, it's like just to see him.
Marc:I can't stand it on my phone.
Marc:Like I got to now, it's got to be part of this.
Marc:Right.
Marc:There's no, I mean, it's literally that corrosive in its power.
Marc:Yeah, I agree.
Marc:I'm glad that's out.
Guest:Well, so you have before seeing it at South by you were talking about how it's, you know, the kind of that the humbling nature of it was seeing yourself through someone else's eyes, especially when it's been distilled down to kind of a collection of of reactions to you as opposed to, you know, how you see yourself every day just looking in the mirror.
Guest:And I wonder if that changed at all or got like more intense watching it, you know, as a as a fully cut thing that premiered at a film festival and with a bunch of people there.
Guest:Like, did you did you watch it with some kind of like definitiveness about you?
Guest:Like, oh, man, this is like this is a real statement of who I am and I have to live with that.
Oh.
Marc:I believe that that was there as much as, you know, this podcast exhibits that.
Marc:I mean, there's still, you know, a big part of my life and day and mental and inner life that, you know, is it's not that it's unexplored, but it happens in real time.
Marc:So if anything, there's a lot of that in there.
Marc:But also knowing that Stephen was there with the camera and also that, you know, I found the entire process annoying creates a certain tone to the whole thing.
Marc:Like I'm good.
Marc:I'm going to be slightly performative.
Marc:So the possibility of catching me in candid moments is there, but they're not necessarily me talking in a way that I haven't talked before, you know, to see me interact with my cats or to see me cooking something in my kitchen or to see me hiking or whatever.
Marc:Those are things that, you know, you don't see in to see my pants falling down for two hours and.
Marc:You know, you know, that's not something you see or to see me interact with other people around me or my father.
Marc:That's not something that people see or that I see necessarily from that point of view.
Marc:So I think those things are kind of a window into, you know, how I move through the world.
Marc:And in that.
Marc:You know, there's still something untangible that I think is something that I don't notice all the time is just that, you know, I'm a—it's not isolated, but I'm like kind of, you know—
Marc:I'm in my own world, you know, and it's not a mental world.
Marc:It's a world that I walk through, but it's mine.
Marc:And it's not that I'm protective of it, but it only really involves me and my cats and whatever activities I'm engaged with.
Marc:Like, I can see, you know, in some ways that, you know, I'm not...
Marc:Socially propelled to hang out much, you know, I'm like even last night I was at the comedy store waiting to go on and, you know, losing my mind.
Marc:And that doesn't change.
Marc:So all of those kind of moments, which are not necessarily flattering, are nonetheless me.
Marc:And seeing that kind of makes me go like, oh, my God.
Marc:Yeah, I mean, that's something you have complete control over, dude.
Marc:Why don't you maybe not do that all the time?
Marc:And I think I don't do it all the time.
Marc:And I think sometimes when Stephen was following me, you know, I did it for effect.
Marc:But it's not unusual for me and it's not something that's not real.
Marc:But, you know, I don't need to do it.
Marc:But I think the emotional structure of the movie, whether it's me and my dad or my reaction to Lynn or the stuff that I have of me and Lynn together, you know, was...
Marc:you know, it choked me up, but it didn't make me uncomfortable.
Marc:It was revisiting something that I think is worth revisiting, you know, anytime that you can in a way.
Marc:It's not something I hide from myself and to be reminded of Lynn and who she was in the world.
Marc:And, you know, he spends time really kind of establishing her pretty well and seeing how we engage.
Marc:There was a lot of room for
Marc:For evolution there for us and for me, that there was something charming about our dynamic.
Marc:And I think Michaela puts it well.
Marc:But like there is also the part where, you know, Michaela Watkins is talking about how Lynn was just taken with –
Marc:My, you know, my crankiness and that like she just kind of plowed through it.
Marc:You know, it doesn't mean that I stopped it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Michaela said at one point, she said to me, like, are you trying to push her away?
Marc:And I imagine I was, you know, and so, you know, that's a disconcerting reality that you see that, like, why couldn't I have been open to this?
Marc:You know, all along, why am I always fighting all this stuff?
Marc:You know, what am I what am I fighting?
Marc:So that and I think that we talked about that review is that, you know, that should have been a question that the documentary might have focused on.
Guest:Yeah, I'd seen it.
Guest:review saying that like it was it's hard when your subject meaning you is resistant like the onus then is on the filmmaker to pull that out of the person or you know ultimately the conclusion is well you're not going to be able to get there with this person but the odd thing with you is that we know you can get there because you do it on the mics twice a week
Guest:Right.
Guest:So it was just something specifically about the way that the dynamic was playing out with you and the actual mediated response with the camera and with a person speaking to you behind the camera.
Marc:Yeah, but it's also me.
Marc:You know, like I think that, you know, in really seeing myself in those different levels of.
Marc:of, of resistance, you know, out of whatever it is, you know, my, my fear of, of being hurt or being, uh, you know, too open or whatever that, that is a component of my personality that is not, it's not positive.
Marc:It's not proactive and it's real.
Marc:You know, I have a certain amount of control sitting here by myself talking to, you know, uh, uh, uh, an audience I can't see or, or don't think about much, uh,
Marc:But in life, in the world, with my cats, with inanimate objects, with my peers, I still hold this space that is fundamentally not really necessary.
Marc:It is guarded.
Marc:It is where my comedy comes from.
Marc:It is protecting something that doesn't really need protecting anymore.
Marc:So that was sort of the humbling element of it, that and seeing old footage of myself.
Marc:But all the stuff that was emotionally heavy,
Marc:I think I say it with my dad too.
Marc:I think that, you know, if we could have explored, you know, and you're right, I do explore it here.
Marc:The idea that, you know, my dad goes, wait, why is, you know, why is winning an award important to you?
Marc:And I say, so I can just be like, fuck you.
Marc:But I don't even know who I'm talking to.
Marc:I'm making them up.
Marc:I think that is the core of some of my personality.
Marc:Who am I proving what to?
Guest:Oddly, that's the guy who was sitting across from you at the table.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:as you're just well i've told him to go fuck himself plenty of times yeah but that's where it's all built from right i mean it's yeah he's a fuck you guy all the way yeah and it's and it's the fact that whatever support wasn't there from them even if it wasn't an outright negativity it was a sense that they put you on your own to build this thing yeah and so any type of
Guest:recognition that you get out of what you do is a rebuke to them.
Marc:Right.
Marc:It's all fuck you and I shouldn't eat that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's my engine.
Guest:It's funny.
Guest:It's like you are going through this, watching this thing, and I think there might be some expectation that you should be able, that it's a surprise that your reaction to it is kind of, you know, there's a vulnerability to it.
Guest:And I think that is because you're a public person, public entertainer.
Guest:You you've seen yourself all your life doing things.
Guest:And, you know, part of you, a big part of you has been lived in the public.
Guest:But it's like I got to imagine this is the case for anyone watching something like this.
Guest:where you're having to view the way you're perceived through other people's eyes.
Guest:It's like, you know, it's the reason why it's in Tom Sawyer, right?
Guest:Like seeing your own funeral and seeing what people are saying to you.
Guest:Like, this is a thought that's been there from the moment people had like an awareness of how their legacy would be perceived.
Marc:Well, well, and I think it did it did fine with that.
Marc:But I don't think there's like you said, there's not a lot of new ground.
Marc:But but a couple of things I noticed was seeing myself, you know, trying to and doing comedy in the 80s.
Marc:And seeing that guy with this sort of attitude and this swagger that was so founded in nothing, this inflated kid, it was really kind of painful for me.
Guest:Yeah, I imagine.
Guest:I think about it all the time.
Guest:I'm so grateful that even in my age, where I grew up in the 80s and 90s, there's not a lot of documentation of me of that age.
Guest:I can't imagine being like someone who's a, who's a young person now born in the last 10, 15 years, who whose whole life is documented and they're going to, you know, grow up and have to live through every bit of their development and their mistakes and everything that's, it's been enshrined in video and I tell people, I tell people like, don't, don't like all these comics that are just starting.
Marc:They're throwing these, these clips up.
Marc:I'm like, you're going to regret that.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Because you're not there's no way you're formed and it's probably going to be an obstacle to being formed, you know, and like I can see like my influences.
Marc:There's one thing where I'm at home after being in L.A., you know, probably before I went into rehab.
Marc:I'm not sure when it was, but I was clearly like, you know, kind of being kind of dicey, you know, like dice clay.
Marc:I could see that, you know, my brain was pretty fucked.
Marc:From everything I was taking in and I saw myself as this drug warrior and, you know, I was smoking cigarettes and, you know, kind of my hair was long and fucked up and like, and I'm, you know, taking this position that was not earned and, you know, who the fuck wants to earn that anyways?
Marc:Right.
Marc:Like I, it was, it was all a fabrication, personality fabrication to, you know, to be something.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Or also to beat you, it was like you were wearing like fucking Iron Man suit in those things.
Guest:Like you were, it was such armor.
Guest:Like that's what I saw.
Guest:Yeah, but it didn't fly.
Guest:No power at all.
Guest:That's actually a funny character.
Guest:It's like this guy is just trapped in this iron suit.
Marc:It's like the Count of Monte Cristo.
Marc:I'm not fucking, I got nowhere to go.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:A guy in a suit that he can't work.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:It's just totally stiff.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But that was, that, that was how I saw it too.
Guest:And, you know, just, just as an observer, it was like, it was all armor.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I think that continues.
Marc:I think that's what I'm talking about is that the armor, you know, has nuance now and there's charm to it and there's wit about it and there's self-awareness to it.
Marc:But it's still armor.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And, you know, even the more vulnerable.
Marc:I mean, the only time where that.
Marc:that really breaks and he used it, you know, was my choice to go on the mic, you know, days after Lynn passed away.
Marc:I mean, that, you know, that's the raw goods.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And, you know, that's, you know, the armor all melted, but there's nothing funny about that.
Marc:But that, you know, that was, you know, that was unanticipated and certainly unwanted to be ripped open like that.
Marc:But there is a zone there that I could probably function in emotionally that I don't really have any real experience or control with.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And I think that's what was humbling about the experience for me is I was able to see that over the course of four years in a lot of different environments.
Marc:Though more vulnerable and it's definitely an authentic thing,
Marc:But my true vulnerability is still pretty well protected, you know, even when I'm being nice, you know, or even when I'm experiencing emotions.
Marc:You know, I choke it out.
Marc:You know, I push it down.
Guest:Now, did you get reaction from people?
Guest:Did people say things to you about it afterwards?
Marc:Well, I think that people are generally moved by the arc of the thing.
Marc:And, you know, and I think they see what I see.
Marc:And I don't think they're, you know, I think they know that I still, I don't know, I'm projecting.
Marc:Yeah, people were moved by it.
Marc:And they enjoyed the whole thing.
Marc:you know, all the information in there.
Marc:I mean, would you hear from people, you know, or people with the show and people saying it was beautiful and this and that, you know?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, I think there's a poetry to all of it and it is moving because the, the driver at the, at the, at the base of it is, you know, my evolution as a person and comic, but also my, you know, movement through loss.
Marc:So, I mean, you know, if people came out of that thinking like, no, no, I didn't really like the guy.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, you know, there's nothing I can do for those people.
Marc:But most people were moved.
Marc:I mean, and the weird thing about what you're saying in terms of, you know, the kind of idea of mortality.
Marc:I mean, after watching that thing, you know, you do get the feeling like, you know, I even had a moment, you know, when the credits rolling where you think like, well, it's a shame this guy's dead.
Marc:You know, like you were...
Marc:Oh, man.
Guest:I wish I knew him while he was alive.
Marc:Yeah, he's right on the precipice of really getting somewhere with himself.
Marc:And I'm like, oh, you're not.
Marc:You got to get up and go talk to these people.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's such a sad story about that guy.
Marc:I wish he could have, you had more time, you know.
Guest:I heard that Richard Linklater was there.
Guest:Did you get to speak to him?
Guest:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, he liked it.
Marc:But, you know, he was sort of more like, you know, I meant to email you and reach out after Lynn died.
Marc:And, you know, it was very sad.
Marc:I kind of knew her and, you know, I didn't.
Marc:And I'm like, it's okay.
Marc:You know, so, you know, he's not easy to read that guy either.
Marc:But I think he liked it.
Marc:Yeah, and Alejandro Escovedo came and he was really moved by it, I think.
Marc:You know, he gave me a nice hug after and told me that it really sort of...
Marc:He said it was brave and kind of brought some stuff up that he hadn't really thought about in a long time in himself, and that's a good thing.
Marc:Well, yeah, he had a brutal life situation, similar.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:But, like, I don't really—when people say it's brave, you know, like, I don't register that in myself, you know, around that stuff.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because like you said, in fact, the like the thing that somebody is going to probably say is like the most brave is what you said about going on the mics after Lynn's death.
Guest:And I can just say, you know, from firsthand knowledge of it, like for you, that wasn't out of bravery.
Guest:That was out of a lack of any other option.
Guest:Like you you didn't have any other way to deal with that in that moment.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I know.
Marc:I remember you were like, we don't we don't have to do it and we don't ever have to do a show again.
Marc:That's what you said.
Marc:We don't ever have to do the podcast anymore.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Because this is one of those life altering things that would, you know, could go that way.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You just, you have to be open to any road forward that's going to make it easier on you.
Marc:I mean, for me, the bravery, you know, it's like, yeah, even I told my buddy Dan today, I was going to see a shrink tomorrow.
Marc:And he's like, well, good for you for getting the help.
Marc:That's brave.
Marc:I'm like, but it's fucking necessary.
Marc:It's not necessary.
Marc:I'm at the end of my rope.
Guest:It's like brave to jump out of the window when the building's on fire.
Marc:I mean, come on.
Marc:I mean, it's like bravery's got nothing to do with it.
Marc:For me, brave is sort of like me overcoming real and manufactured grandiose fears to just go to Charleston, South Carolina on Sunday.
Marc:To me, that's when I'm like...
Marc:this is brave.
Marc:And because you're on some level, you know, pretty terrified about things, your brain's making up and also things that are really happening.
Marc:So, but you're going to go do it.
Guest:I mean, that, yeah, that's, I would say that that's your, your bravery comes from fighting the, um, the things that are roadblocks against you at any time.
Guest:Like, you know, it's brave of you to sit across from someone who you 20 minutes before were like, I
Guest:I'm not going to be able to fucking talk to this person.
Guest:Like that's bravery.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I feel that.
Marc:But then like, you know, you get like, it's so funny.
Marc:Some cat and some guy told me I was in the dressing room last night, you know, talking about like doing music and stuff.
Marc:And, you know, like, you know, I just somehow fear came up and this guy's like, yeah, well, you got to just push through it.
Marc:And, you know, no fear.
Marc:You got to push through with your fears.
Marc:I'm like, I've been doing that all my life and I'm still scared.
Marc:So I appreciate the input, but yeah,
Marc:But whatever system you're applying, you know, adhering to, it doesn't mean the fear goes away.
Marc:But thank you.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I don't.
Guest:Well, the spoiler is doesn't go away for that guy either.
Guest:They just figure some way to paper over it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, you just hope that's not violent and hateful.
Guest:right yeah unfortunately that's the way it is for a lot of people yeah um well i uh i'm not sure what do you know any of the next steps around the dock i know it's looking for you know a distributor and whatnot but it will what be at tribeca yeah it's going to be a tribeca and i you know i don't know um it was out at a couple places you know i i i guess i would hear if something happened right um
Marc:And, you know, so we'll see what happens, you know.
Guest:Yeah, I'd be very surprised if there isn't ultimately a way for everyone to see it.
Guest:You know, it's definitely a thing that will probably wind up on some type of streamer.
Marc:Yeah, and I, yeah, well, I mean, it's, you would hope.
Marc:That it just doesn't go away?
Marc:I mean, you know, I imagine even if it doesn't find a home, we'll figure out a way to screen it places.
Marc:I mean, that doesn't seem to be impossible.
Marc:But, you know, I feel like that we'll find a place for it.
Guest:And ultimately, you're glad that you did it?
Guest:Like, you don't have, like, a regret or wish that you said no?
Marc:Well, I think that my only—no, no, not generally speaking, because I think it is my relationship with Stephen in general, which informs a lot of the movie, that could have been different.
Marc:But I think he—like we talked about briefly, I think there are people that see me a certain way, and whether I'm intimidating or cranky or whatever, if that's what entertains them, then they'll draw that out of me.
Marc:That I think a more—
Marc:That somebody who had, you know, was grounded in something more emotionally centered probably could have gotten a different thing out of me.
Guest:Yeah, but I got news for you.
Guest:The thing that's more emotionally centered is you on this show, which has, you know, almost 2,000 hours or more of actual documentary evidence of you.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, well, I think that's true.
Marc:And whatever the doc is, it is entertaining, and it doesn't drag a lot, and it's filled with a lot of stuff.
Marc:And so it's not totally ineffective, but...
Marc:It's its own thing.
Marc:I don't know how much new things people are going to learn about me, but they are going to see me doing things, which is different than just listening to me.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Well, people who are here on the full Marin do like listening to you in all ways and shapes and forms.
Guest:And yes, I do think it's probably very likely they will get to see this.
Guest:So we'll keep everybody posted on that.
Guest:And, you know, they'll get to make their own judgments.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:And you don't have to tell me, tell Steven.
Marc:You're like, I was just me.
Marc:I played the role of me.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Don't start criticizing me.
Marc:Well, you could have been a little more this or that, like, you know, whatever.
Marc:You know, Stephen should have made me do that then.
Guest:I would like, maybe I would like him to do, you know, one version, a cut that just has a slide whistle every time your pants are falling down.
Guest:Oh my God.
Marc:That got a laugh, my full ass.
Marc:You know, that was the big payoff.
Marc:I knew it would be.
Marc:People are like, whoa, all right.
Marc:But no talk about the pie crust I was putting in the oven.
Marc:That's where that should have gone.
Guest:That's actually a summation of where things are in the world of entertainment.
Guest:Saw his ass.
Guest:But what kind of pie was he making?
Guest:Yeah, no one cares about the details.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:What's going in the crust?