BONUS Producer Cuts - Mo Amer, Carrie Coon, Chris Fleming and Marc's Monologues
Guest:Hi everybody.
Guest:I'm the full Marin.
Guest:This is Brendan, the producer of WTF here with another month's installment of producer cuts.
Guest:This is where I play the things that I've had to cut out of recent episodes of WTF, but I let you know why I did that.
Guest:And I think it's worthwhile for you to hear them.
Guest:So that's what we're doing today.
Guest:And these are things from the end of February and the month of March and
Guest:And we're going to start with episode 1619.
Guest:And this is the monologue from that episode.
Guest:This was the episode with Mo Ammer.
Guest:And this was just something that I felt people already had the gist of.
Guest:Something Mark was talking about in terms of the waves of fear that he was having.
Guest:This goes on for quite a while, and I think it's interesting to hear, especially in light of Mark's recent revelations that he had during his psych eval and the medicine that he started taking.
Guest:I think it's interesting for you to hear this now.
Guest:I did not think it was 100% necessary when we aired it.
Guest:And then at the end of this, you'll hear from later in that episode, this was Mark talking to Mo Ammer.
Guest:And this was right before the microphones went on.
Guest:They were talking about Ariana Grande, who had just been in there.
Guest:And I thought this was pretty sweet.
Guest:So I'm going to include this along with the monologue.
Guest:And you'll hear this all stuff that didn't make it into episode 1619.
Marc:Waves of fear.
Marc:Waves of fear.
Marc:And just horror.
Marc:And for me, it's like it can happen on all levels.
Marc:Like I'm traveling and, you know, the fears are kind of multi-tiered or multifaceted.
Marc:Are they multifaceted?
Marc:Look, you know, after going to...
Marc:Iowa City and Des Moines and Kansas City, Missouri, the crowds have been great.
Marc:But before I went up to Iowa, I was flying into some fucking blizzard.
Marc:And I get this is just winter.
Marc:I get it.
Marc:But my brain is active.
Marc:That is...
Marc:One of the bigger problems about taking in news or or just sort of dealing day to day, if you have sort of a difficult time compartmentalizing or you're just anxious in general, you know, my anxiety has been out of control for the last year or so.
Marc:I know there's medicine, but I and I know I'm a little adverse to medicine, but I'm getting close.
Marc:People are I've been hearing some good stuff about busporin.
Marc:But then again, I don't want to medicate away my ability to to fight or process.
Marc:And again, I'm not talking down about medication.
Marc:I've just always been willing to take the hit psychologically to maintain the integrity of my mind as is, even if it's fucking broken.
Marc:But I'm not saying that's the right way.
Marc:And I'm on the edge, man.
Marc:And I'm on the edge because I've said this before.
Marc:I can't stop the projector from running some days.
Marc:And as I head out to Asheville,
Marc:You know, I'm going out there for the Thursday show when you'll be hearing this.
Marc:This will be tonight.
Marc:I'll be doing that show if I get there.
Marc:Because, again, this is the third trip I've taken in very different parts of the world.
Marc:Who knows?
Marc:Yeah, I hope this is not prophetic in any way.
Marc:But, you know, I went to Colorado, full-on blizzard, sliding around in that car, doing the driving on the snow-caked highways.
Marc:Then I went to Iowa, same thing, arrived in a fucking blizzard.
Marc:My hands turned to fucking ice immediately.
Marc:As I said on Monday and now just out of nowhere, there's some sort of Arctic vortex that's going to come down over the American South.
Marc:And I'm flying into it.
Marc:And then I got to drive over to Asheville.
Marc:And, you know, I can't live in the moment with that stuff.
Marc:Right away, I'm like, oh, fuck.
Marc:We might not get out.
Marc:Once we get there, we might not get the car out.
Marc:It's just the way my brain works.
Marc:And then on top of that...
Marc:All these FAA firings.
Marc:So now I'm flying into a blizzard thinking there's no one in the tower.
Marc:So add that to the pile and then just getting there and doing the driving and then wondering about what the crowd is going to be like in these places.
Marc:Well, Asheville is always great.
Marc:Nashville is usually pretty great.
Marc:It's a long drive from Nashville, Nashville.
Marc:And I'm not complaining.
Marc:This is my job.
Marc:So I'm not complaining, but I am starting to get tired of it.
Marc:But I got to do the stuff.
Marc:And then on top of that, there's the work.
Marc:Putting this hour together.
Marc:Again, not complaining.
Marc:I have a job.
Marc:I'm self-employed.
Marc:I can still relatively speak my mind.
Marc:I would say fully.
Marc:But now, like, there's a resistance.
Marc:As I said before, it turns out that the freedom of speech that the right was fighting for is pretty conditional and will only get worse, especially as they lean on entertainment companies with lawsuits and the fear of those entertainment companies from a very specific type of mafia tactic that this president seems to engage in.
Marc:They're not going to be willing to...
Marc:To put, you know, marginalized or different types of voices out there, certainly voices of protest or pushback.
Marc:Maybe they just want to play it cool and make it entertaining.
Marc:We'll see.
Marc:But that's how it goes down.
Marc:That's how it goes down.
Marc:Capitalists, big business, work with authoritarians.
Marc:They help them, maybe not with intent, but they can certainly dumb everything down so everything's just sort of pablum and garbage in light of sort of honoring a voice of resistance or fuck you.
Marc:But I guess we'll see.
Marc:But on another level, after announcing the tour, and maybe I've said this before, but maybe get out there and see me before the restrictions take place.
Marc:Before the restrictions are enacted.
Marc:Who the fuck knows when you get to a venue at some point in the future when they're like, you know, we really can't have you talking about this or that.
Marc:So all the free speech yammering of the right is really relative to what they decide that is.
Marc:And if they decide they don't like it, not unlike people that are different than them, the shut the fuck up will be loud and enacted with either a passive suggestion or just a lost job.
Marc:Who knows?
Marc:Not trying to be negative.
Marc:Just trying to adjust.
Marc:Fuck, man.
Marc:I hope my flight gets out.
Marc:I hope there's someone in the tower.
Guest:All right, next up is the monologue from episode 1620 with Carrie Coon.
Guest:And there's some stuff Mark talked about in here regarding Nate Bargetsy.
Guest:And I wasn't sure it was kosher to use this.
Guest:I said to Mark, is it OK if you're talking about this stuff that Nate told you?
Guest:And in the moment, he said, I'm not sure.
Guest:And I don't think he wanted to talk to him to find out.
Guest:And so we just decided not to use this.
Guest:Afterwards, I went and found that Nate has already talked about this stuff publicly and
Guest:And so we had already taken it out of the show, but now I'm putting it back here for you full Marin listeners.
Guest:And then after this, we'll have something else from Carrie Coon in that episode.
Marc:I'm feeling the weight of it every day, especially down here.
Marc:I went to Nashville again, a blue dot or a blue, a large blue dot, I think.
Marc:And I got to be honest with you, it's a great city, and I've done, over the years, some of the best shows in my life there.
Marc:The other night was no different.
Marc:I was at the James K. Polk Theater, and it was an amazing show, an amazing audience, and we really got some interesting work done.
Marc:Last night in Louisville,
Marc:Again, another spectacular show.
Marc:Just great people, great audience, had a lot of freedom of mind, went a lot of places I didn't expect to go.
Marc:My new friend, Will Oldham, was in the audience, Bonnie Prince Billy, and we've got an interview coming up with him in the next few weeks, was there, and that was nice.
Marc:And it's a lovely city.
Marc:So is Lexington in some ways.
Marc:I've only been a few blocks around.
Marc:But nonetheless, Nashville.
Marc:These are the crowds I get.
Marc:Not an arena act.
Marc:I turn them down all the time.
Marc:But I am an act for those who like what I do.
Marc:It was funny, because in Nashville, I had lunch with Bargetzi, with Nate,
Marc:We had a nice lunch over there at the Soho Club in Nashville.
Marc:And I've known Nate a long time.
Marc:He's open for me back in the day.
Marc:I was an early adapter.
Marc:Is that the way you say it?
Marc:I was on the Nate train early on.
Marc:I saw him many years ago and became very obsessed with his comedy because I think he's very funny.
Marc:And now he's the biggest comic in the world.
Marc:And it was very funny to kind of catch up, have lunch, and have him tell me about his plans for a theme park that he wants to build, Nate Land, and also a movie studio.
Marc:And I'm like, yeah, I'm hoping I get 800 people over at the Polk.
Marc:But look, go for it.
Marc:Make...
Marc:build a theme park i don't even know what a mark theme park would be i don't even know what what that would be uh you know just uh you know the the the house of uh the the house of self-hatred uh look it's it's like like here's a a room of of mirrors that'll make you sort of uh
Marc:body dysmorphic, the body dysmorphic mirror house, the, uh, the, the, uh, Hey, you want to go onto the worry pit ride, but it was good seeing Nate.
Marc:It was good seeing Nate.
Guest:That's Ariana Grande's cup.
Guest:Is it really?
Guest:She was just here a couple hours ago.
Guest:Was she really?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's hilarious.
Guest:I haven't seen her in a while either.
Marc:I've never thought that she would necessarily come on my show, but she's one of those people that's so fucking special.
Marc:She really is, man.
Guest:When you just sit across from her, you're like, I can't believe this is happening.
Guest:She really, really is.
Guest:When she was dating Pete for a little stint, Pete came and did spots in Houston.
Guest:Dave and I and Jon Stewart were doing shows in Texas.
Guest:He popped into Houston.
Guest:She was with him.
Guest:We were out late.
Guest:At a bar somewhere, and she just did a little riff.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know?
Guest:It's crazy.
Guest:And I was across the bar, and I just started smiling.
Guest:Because she was singing?
Guest:Was she singing?
Guest:You just did the thing.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:I did that when I was working with...
Marc:jennifer hudson on uh that aretha franklin yeah insane she well we were you know it was like uh we were there over christmas and they had a kind of a cast and crew christmas party where at the food place yeah and had some little combo playing and everyone was wondering if she was gonna sing and she was like i don't know if i feel like singing and then she went up and just did a couple of christmas songs and just like holy fuck you start crying unbelievable yeah
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:You don't make them like that.
Guest:Your eyes well up.
Guest:It's very, very hard to find.
Guest:And Jennifer Hudson's voice is like.
Guest:It's crazy.
Guest:It's from another planet.
Guest:It is.
Guest:It's absolutely from another planet.
Guest:And when I saw her just like Ariana, like effortlessly just.
Guest:Hit those things.
Guest:Do this riff.
Marc:Yeah, do that little riff.
Marc:And then you have that moment like, I do nothing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I was just like, yeah, I was like, what the fuck was that?
Guest:I just smiled.
Guest:I was like, you're doing the thing that everybody say that you do.
Guest:You're doing it right now.
Guest:And then you realize like, I have no real talent.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm too competitive.
Guest:I'm like, yeah, I can do some shit that you can do, I think.
Guest:Yeah, I think.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:But even that shit, it's like, well, that's exciting that you can do that.
Guest:But that's totally different.
Marc:Yeah, that's wild.
Marc:And they're like, yeah, you're right, I can't do that, but can you do this?
Guest:And you're like, nah, fuck.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:I can't do anything near that.
Guest:No.
Guest:And she's a ridiculously talented impressionist as well.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:She's funny.
Guest:She can just do anybody's.
Marc:And she's like in control of her own trip, you know, like she's like, you know, that's a great way to put it.
Guest:Control of her own trip.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I didn't know what to expect, but I was kind of like, you know, taken, you know, I was impressed.
Guest:Okay, advanced warning about this clip with Carrie Coon.
Guest:This was a section of her and Mark talking about the movie she was in, The Nest, which is a movie streaming on Netflix.
Guest:And it's definitely spoilery.
Guest:So I am telling you this right now.
Guest:When they start talking about this, if you don't want to hear it...
Guest:Fast forward exactly two minutes.
Guest:Just hit the 30 second button four times.
Guest:You'll be all set.
Guest:If you don't want to hear any spoilers about the movie, The Nest, go right ahead and zip through this.
Guest:Now, I will say this.
Guest:I had not seen the movie when they talked about this and I heard it.
Guest:And then I have since watched the movie.
Guest:I don't personally feel like this spoiled my enjoyment of the film.
Guest:But
Guest:Everyone's mileage may vary.
Guest:I know how people feel about spoilers, but people who watch The Nest or might want to watch it, I think will find this very interesting.
Guest:And then at the end of their discussion about The Nest, I've added on something that happened in the later part of the episode, which is Mark bringing up that story.
Guest:He brings up many times about Jeff Daniels.
Guest:I feel like we've heard that story a lot of times on the show, so I cut it out.
Guest:But I did like Carrie's response to it.
Guest:It was a little bit different of a reaction than other people have had.
Yeah.
Guest:What their dynamic is.
Guest:But I can't handle when animals go.
Guest:Oh, I know.
Guest:God damn it.
Guest:That would be hard for you.
Guest:Yeah, and that was a really good prosthetic horse.
Marc:Really good?
Marc:Yeah, those people were excellent.
Marc:On the bulldozer?
Marc:Now, let me ask you a question because I'm a moron.
Guest:Yeah, sure.
Marc:So in that movie, is the implication or is what being said is that while you were away in between the horse being buried and whatever, that he had it dug up to be assessed?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:You know, it's kind of, it's sort of, I think it's rather metaphorical.
Guest:And the idea is that, you know, that it's kind of like bloated and starting to like, it looks like it's breathing.
Guest:But I don't know, because it did look like it got buried very deeply and then suddenly it's near the surface.
Guest:But I don't think, you know, I don't think Sean really worried about it.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:So it wasn't because he, you know, that was it.
Guest:He kind of didn't have his eye on the ball.
Marc:It was a horrendous moment where his immediate response was like, we got to sue.
Guest:Yes, I know, right?
Marc:But it was so good.
Guest:Yeah, it was, I mean, it's very, like you say, a very realistic response from a certain kind of community.
Marc:Yeah, but the horse surfacing.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:You know, what was hysterical about that scene is that the, you know, the FX guys had rigged the horse because it's so heavy.
Guest:The prosthetic was so heavy that it was really hard for me to lift it.
Guest:So I was digging in my lead press on nails.
Guest:And every time I would just barely start to lift, they would be like, heave ho!
Guest:And they would yank it out of the ground and it would fly like six feet.
Guest:And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
Guest:Too much.
Guest:Here I am in the middle of this like weeping, you know, in the dirt.
Guest:And then this horse goes flying.
Guest:And they're like, all right.
Guest:You know, and they're like, OK, guys, maybe we don't.
Guest:Maybe we don't need the ropes.
Guest:Maybe she can just lift the head a little bit.
Guest:I mean, it was so funny.
Guest:They ruined like three takes, but you were so ready.
Marc:Because it was such a sparse movie in some ways that whatever the symbolism was, you kind of got it.
Guest:Yeah, I think so, right?
Guest:Like I say, an adult movie.
Guest:It hits you.
Marc:Yeah, but when the horse is like, you hear him sick out in the barn and you don't know it.
Marc:And it's sort of like you are also...
Guest:Yes, like going insane in that house.
Marc:Yeah, and captive.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:And stuck in this sort of repeating dynamic that just keeps on going.
Marc:Oh, it was good.
Guest:Thank you.
Guest:I love that movie.
Marc:It's a great movie.
Marc:Yeah, but I think the full body thing is interesting.
Guest:I think it's real.
Marc:Because that was the one thing, and I've told this story a million times, when I talked to Jeff Daniels about acting.
Guest:Oh, your face?
Guest:I heard that in the Lizzie Olsen interview.
Marc:Yeah, and it's like... Just your face.
Guest:And Lizzie was like, what?
Marc:Yeah, but he's not wrong.
Guest:No, your face matters.
Guest:And you can do too much face.
Guest:I've done it.
Guest:I've seen it.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I'm like, oh, that's a lot of face.
Guest:Even like the trailers for White Letters, I'm like, oh, that's a, I don't know, that's a lot of face, Gary.
Guest:Is that really what you were setting out to do?
Guest:So when you see, you know, when you see the rest of it, let me know what you think.
Guest:I used to think it was just your face, but that's not entirely.
Marc:No, it's not just your face, but to sort of be aware.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:I do this thing in every movie I've been in at least once where if I'm walking out of a room, I always turn back.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:The over-the-shoulder look.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You're just stealing a little focus.
Guest:I do that in the Gilded Age all the time.
Guest:Are you kidding me?
Guest:Has Bertha ever left a room without looking over her shoulder?
Guest:No.
Guest:Of course not.
Guest:course but you're so aware of it it's so funny i know it's because you never do it in life i call it you know misty mountains you like when it's the end of a take and it just keeps going you're still yeah doing whatever the stupid shit you're doing is but it's never i always yeah it's always unsatisfying like i should have looked down you know yeah why did i keep staring that doesn't make any sense but like but then everyone's like moving on because it's tv but but also like but you know that so many movie stars know all this shit yeah and they do it on purpose i know i know they do
Guest:Which is where the ensemble ethic comes in.
Guest:You know, you can take the responsibility for that stuff away by just like focusing on the other person in the story.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I tell myself.
Guest:All right.
Guest:We're going to go through six clips in a row here.
Guest:And these are all things from Mark's monologues.
Guest:First from episode 1621 with Chris Hayes.
Guest:Then 1623 with Will Oldham.
Guest:1624 with W. Kamau Bell.
Guest:1625 with Mike Elias.
Guest:1626 with Jane Marie and 1627 with Chris Fleming.
Guest:And I'm just going to play all these in order.
Guest:They'll crossfade between them, but they're all cut for the same reason.
Guest:I just needed to thin some stuff out.
Guest:These were monologues that were all running long and I took out some chunks of them.
Guest:So I'll present them now for you uninterrupted.
Guest:And we're starting, like I said, back at episode 1612, the one with Chris Hayes.
Marc:Oh my God.
Marc:What is happening?
Marc:What is happening out there?
Marc:Let's not get stuck in the mire, huh?
Marc:Let's not get overwhelmed, pummeled, pummeled by the thing in our hand, pummeled by our secret desire to be pummeled.
Marc:Huh?
Marc:Right?
Marc:I was talking about that with my buddy Dan.
Marc:Give me, give me records, Dan.
Marc:Good record shop here in Los Angeles.
Marc:Figueroa.
Marc:Highland Park, people.
Marc:HP represent.
Marc:Huh?
Marc:Is that how you say it?
Marc:What's with the has?
Marc:What is with the has?
Marc:It was interesting, though.
Marc:I hadn't hung out with Dan in a while.
Marc:We hadn't done the hike in the wild.
Marc:But the interesting thing came up that I think is probably relevant on some level is just that, you know, if you feel a certain way, like if you believe in...
Marc:You know, all this stuff that used to mean something to people of a society or civilization, at least partially, of decency, respect, empathy, tolerance, engaging other voices, being sensitive to...
Marc:other people's point of view or or at least fears and concerns or anger and all that stuff where there's sort of a dialogue uh you know it becomes a little tricky to have conversations now i was hiking with dan and you know i'd gone over to the record store earlier that day i do like to uh
Marc:to kind of do what I always used to do.
Marc:I'd just go, my buddy owns a record store.
Marc:I'm gonna go hang out there and sit there in the back like a guy who knows the guy who owns the place.
Marc:Kind of like guys used to hang around my grandfather's hardware store.
Marc:Just a little clatch of old smoking dudes in their 70s.
Marc:Usually just huddle by the door.
Marc:Maybe hang out by the washing machines in my grandfather's old dirty appliance store and just talk.
Marc:I like to do that.
Marc:Just make the rounds.
Marc:I don't have as many people to hang out with as I used to in terms of guys who run shops.
Marc:It's nice to go down to the shop, spend a little time with the guy at the place.
Marc:But we were talking about, you know, being stressed out or being hopeless or angry or feeling powerless and, you know, just feel and fearing the worst.
Marc:And, you know, he brought up the the fact in his life.
Marc:And I, you know, and I noticed it a bit in mine that, you know, people don't really want to talk about it.
Marc:And they just they just kind of don't want to talk about it, because I think that the conversation doesn't go anywhere good because there's nowhere to there's nowhere good to go with the conversation.
Marc:But I think sharing your fears and and your anger and your beliefs with people.
Marc:is fundamentally human.
Marc:And not just texting like, you know, fuck, what are we going to do?
Marc:I know, dude, what are we going to do?
Marc:Sad face.
Marc:But actually talking about it, kind of airing it out a little bit and seeing where that goes.
Marc:And I thought it was interesting because I feel the same way in conversation, whether people are informed or not,
Marc:They, you know, they don't want to talk about what's happening or politics.
Marc:And these are people that I assume are at least relatively like minded, but they just kind of are climbing up because there's nowhere to go but down.
Marc:With it.
Marc:There's nowhere, you know, you can't get to the end of a riff on what's happening now and, you know, be like, yeah, it'll be okay.
Marc:There's no, it will be okay.
Marc:So why talk about it?
Marc:But, you know, sometimes you got to talk about it.
Marc:So Dan and I took the hike.
Marc:Did the big hour-long uphill hike in between sort of needing to catch his breath and me waiting for him.
Marc:And I don't mean that in a bad way.
Marc:You know, we haven't been doing it a lot.
Marc:You know, I'm just in better shape than him.
Marc:That's all.
Marc:Just a little better shape.
Marc:I know he listens to the show.
Marc:You did fine, Dan.
Marc:You did fine, buddy.
Marc:You know, we did it.
Marc:Every time we do that thing, just know that I'm amazed that we do it.
Yeah.
Marc:But we talked the stuff, you know, we talked it out.
Marc:We all the fears and possible outcomes or, you know, or, you know, how we are dealing, which is really just basically just dealing.
Marc:But it's important to have those conversations, to share those fears.
Marc:I don't know that it comes down to like, I don't know what's going to change anything.
Marc:We talked a lot about corporate boycotts, kind of power of the purse.
Marc:But I don't know what that does.
Marc:I know a friend of mine is like, I'm not going to use Amazon anymore.
Marc:I'm like, yeah, that ought to do it.
Marc:Because I think a lot of that stuff makes us feel better about doing something that
Marc:I don't know in the big picture that it makes that big a difference unless a big number of people do it, which would require some organization.
Marc:And who's in charge?
Marc:I'm not in charge.
Marc:But nonetheless, we talked it all through and we got to a place where eventually you get with these conversations, which is sort of like, well, what about those Lakers?
Marc:Or what music are you listening to?
Marc:Or have you eaten at any good restaurants?
Marc:You're going to end up there.
Marc:You got to end up there.
Marc:Because if you don't end up there, who the fuck knows where you're going to go?
Marc:Just tumble into the big empty hole, the darkness of you.
Marc:I talked to a guy today that you'll hear later, this comic, Chris Fleming, who I had seen around and not live, just on my phone, things would come up.
Marc:And then there was enough things where I was like, who the hell is this guy?
Marc:But he's like...
Marc:A very interesting performer, very, you know, at the edge of things that people can, you know, kind of process and fit in their brain in a good way.
Marc:Very funny.
Marc:But it just makes me realize there's a lot of things going on that are fairly humbling in my life.
Marc:And I think it's good to be humbled.
Marc:It's good to be humbled as you get older in life, even when you're kind of set in your ways or even if you think you've reached the pinnacle of you, that you're operating on all your engines are good and clean and things are moving along and you finally got your shit together a little bit.
Marc:Sometimes it's good just to have something just to take the piss out of you, just kind of bring you down to earth.
Marc:Between the documentary that's coming out and just my age and I watched a rough cut of a movie I was in, I've got to reel in whatever misconceptions I have about myself and kind of deal with what is.
Marc:Deal with what is.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:It's not great, is it?
Marc:I mean, I think it's good having self-acceptance and kind of having some clarity around who you are versus who you think you are.
Marc:But it's a little rough.
Marc:But it's good.
Marc:So I guess what I'm saying is humble yourselves to get to the honest you.
Marc:Get in there to the weird soft center and figure out, hey, man, what are you going to do?
Marc:Are you going to fix that?
Marc:Or is it too late?
Marc:Can't fix everything.
Marc:But it's all good.
Marc:I'm taking it easy.
Marc:Taking it easy.
Marc:My brain is on fire all the time.
Marc:I mentioned to you about that, yeah, about going to see the shrinkadoo.
Marc:Yeah, I haven't done that in a long time, but I'm going.
Marc:Got to figure out what's up.
Marc:But I'm still, you know, who knows?
Marc:Who knows what's going to happen?
Marc:Okay, somebody tells me what's up, and I'm like, all right, well, I kind of knew that.
Marc:So what am I going to do about it?
Marc:Well, here are your options.
Marc:Okay, well, I don't know if I'm going to do any of those.
Marc:Is that all right?
Marc:I watch White Lotus.
Marc:I'm watching the episodes, the first episodes, the first four a second time.
Marc:And man, it's... I don't know, man.
Marc:I find all the people annoying and challenging and there's a menace to it.
Marc:And I like it.
Marc:The acting's good.
Marc:But let's talk Severance for a second.
Marc:What the fuck is going on with that show?
Marc:By nature...
Marc:I'm not really one to watch a show like that.
Marc:But Kit likes it because it's kind of Lynchian and kind of weird and nothing quite adds up.
Marc:Doesn't over explain anything to say the least.
Marc:But I don't know if it's... I don't think it's age because I've always been...
Marc:like this there's some part of me that after a few episodes you're like can we just fucking get to it can we get to the thing what is the thing here i don't know if i'm enjoying the process there's a lot to put together there's a lot to take in uh none of it is directly uh narratively uh conclusive and uh i've had enough
Marc:I've had enough.
Marc:I'm not saying it's not well acted.
Marc:Jesus.
Marc:Did you see Robbie Benson in the last episode?
Marc:Robbie Benson.
Marc:When was the last time you saw that guy?
Marc:I'm in an age where you see a guy like that pop up and you're like, what the fuck has that guy been doing?
Marc:And was he always this creepy?
Marc:He always had a weird way about him, but now he's just a very uniquely creepy old dentist character.
Marc:Well, I mean, maybe he was just playing a dentist in this one particular role in the role within the movie.
Marc:But whatever the case, there's Robbie Benson being weird as fuck.
Marc:But everyone's acting weird.
Marc:it's beautifully performed and shot and everything else, but I don't know what the fuck is going on.
Marc:And I don't want to wait until the last episode for everything to make sense.
Marc:Throw me a fucking bone.
Marc:I don't want to speculate.
Marc:I don't want to go down any rabbit holes on Reddit or anything else.
Marc:I don't want to hear other people's interpretations.
Marc:Just give me something that'll put some pieces together.
Marc:And I know some of you are thinking like, dude, most of the pieces are there already.
Marc:Are they?
Marc:What do you fucking know?
Marc:Now I'm getting all worked up about severance.
Marc:I'm in because, you know, she wants to watch it.
Marc:And I'm like, I find it interesting and it is compelling, but I'm ready for it to fucking happen.
Marc:Can you just please, what is going to happen?
Marc:I mean, it's not a movie here.
Marc:These are, you know, this is episode after episode.
Marc:It's not like, all right, well, this is the last third of the movie.
Marc:Some shit's going to kind of give here.
Marc:This is like, it's like, it's a month more.
Marc:They come out once a week.
Marc:It's whatever, man.
Marc:I'm not mad about it, but what the fuck is happening?
Marc:All right.
Marc:So San Antonio tonight.
Marc:I have not done the show yet here, but it's been an interesting sort of jaunt out here in the world, out here in Texas with Blair Saki, who's doing a great job.
Marc:So we started in Oklahoma City.
Marc:Now, I've been to Oklahoma City.
Marc:A few times.
Marc:And I always forget these places.
Marc:And I always have a certain amount of apprehension about traveling anywhere.
Marc:But there's these certain states where you're like, oh man, what's that going to be like?
Marc:Is that going to be okay?
Marc:Am I going to be safe there?
Marc:What's happening?
Marc:And I just don't know why I forget that, you know, my people come out to see the shows.
Marc:And Oklahoma City, you know, I'd reached out to Wayne Coyne, who's been on the show a couple of times from the Flaming Lips.
Marc:I told him I was coming.
Marc:They're kind of headquartered in Oklahoma City.
Marc:And he didn't make it, but about all the rest of the band came.
Marc:And a lot of great fans came out to the Tower Theater.
Marc:And we just had a good breakfast.
Marc:It was a great show.
Marc:And then we drove three and a half hours down to Dallas.
Marc:And I'm not...
Marc:I don't love Texas and you can judge me all you want.
Marc:And it's not, and it's not, it's not a new, it's not that I dislike it.
Marc:I come from New Mexico and we grew up next to Texas.
Marc:So this is something deeper than just politics.
Marc:It's there.
Marc:There was always this idea of Texas that was mostly based on, you know, kind of like heading up to the mountains to do some skiing and seeing these Texans all dolled up in their like
Marc:$1,000 ski outfits and the best skis you can get and just snow plowing down the mountain.
Marc:There was a deep resentment and also there was some athletic sort of... I wasn't really a football guy, but it was just, you know...
Marc:Kind of when you're next to a state, your state, you're going to be like, you know, well, fuck that state.
Marc:But I've always known that Texas is its own country.
Marc:But now it seems the rest of the country is following Texas politically.
Marc:And even though the people that come out to my shows are the people that are now occupying Austin, both tech and comedy wise, don't seem to mind the politics because they, you know, the people, my fans are definitely in the middle of it.
Marc:and feel it.
Marc:But the other people are just sort of like, well, we've got enough money to rise above this and get what we need.
Marc:But whatever the case,
Marc:I do appreciate the expanse of Texas.
Marc:When you are driving through it, you're like, holy fuck, this is as big as the planet Earth.
Marc:So we get to Dallas and that show, oddly, not oddly, at the Majestic Theater was great.
Marc:The audience was great.
Marc:Blair killed.
Marc:It was just one of those things where people, again, especially my people, are very happy to have a reason to come out and get some relief from their brains.
Marc:And it's a specific brain.
Marc:I'm a specific act.
Marc:Then we drove down to Houston, which is one of my favorite cities in Texas.
Marc:And that was great.
Marc:I love going to Houston.
Marc:If you watch, and I've talked about this a bit before, if you watch my arc over the many years I did Conan O'Brien, I always had, a lot of times, profoundly different looks.
Marc:And that really is because...
Marc:In my real life, generally at any given point in time, I'm pretty committed to maybe two T-shirts, two button-up shirts, a couple pairs of jeans, a couple pairs of boots.
Marc:I mean, I have many of these things.
Marc:I have many of these items.
Marc:But at any given point in time, for maybe years, I'm wearing roughly the same thing.
Marc:And when I'd go on Conan or I'd make an appearance somewhere, I think, well, I can't wear this shitty clothes on TV.
Marc:I got to get some TV clothes.
Marc:So then I'd be going on there basically wearing something I've never worn before in my life.
Marc:And that happened on my last special is a good example.
Marc:That purpley leather jacket, not mine, but in the wheelhouse.
Marc:In the vicinity of me, black T-shirt, jeans, those jeans were mine, the boots were mine.
Marc:But at any given point, I'm pretty committed to one or two things, one or two looks, and that's just who I've always been.
Marc:And it's not been that much different.
Marc:I've gone through periods of wearing shirts with things on them.
Marc:I've gone through periods of cowboy boot wearing.
Marc:That was before you knew me.
Marc:A long time ago, I went through a couple pairs of boots, wore them right down to nothing.
Marc:I went through a black jean period.
Marc:That was a long period.
Marc:But now I'm old, and I'm sort of surprised that these periods all happened.
Marc:But I still kind of, you know, I'll mix it up a little bit.
Marc:But between in terms of stuff that I've really fetishized or gotten kind of obsessed with, you know, Ship John, definitely the shirts and the jacket.
Marc:And now he's making jeans, which I wear as well.
Marc:But I love Jewel's leather.
Marc:Maybe those Chelsea boots I wore on the special.
Marc:And I take good care of those because things get into a rotation.
Marc:Sometimes you don't wear things for a few years.
Marc:But if they're not dated, you can say like, hey, man, look at that.
Marc:Those still look pretty good.
Marc:Let's pull those out and get them up and going again.
Marc:But along those lines, you know, I've been calling myself.
Marc:Well, I've been basically saying I'm vegan and because I eat a plant based diet.
Marc:That's that's where I'm at.
Marc:I eat a plant based diet.
Marc:And of course, you know, somebody who's heard me talk.
Marc:About eating a plant based diet or I know it was more calling myself vegan.
Marc:Yeah, I got a little I got some shit from somebody on Blue Sky, which I'm really checking.
Marc:I don't I can't check all these things anymore.
Marc:I don't know how people do it.
Marc:It's fucking exhausting.
Marc:But yeah, I got some shit that was sort of like, you know, don't call yourself vegan because you're not.
Marc:You're not a vegan just because you eat a certain way.
Marc:You got to not eat honey.
Marc:You got to not have any leather clothing.
Marc:Oh, God.
Marc:Yeah, I hear you.
Marc:And I understand the dogma and I understand the context of your particular personal morality.
Marc:I understand that cruelty to animals has a broad spectrum.
Marc:God knows I spend a lot of time thinking about animals in pain.
Marc:Myself being one of them.
Marc:But I'm halfway there.
Marc:I mean, instead of reprimand me or condescend, say, look, buddy, you know, you're halfway there.
Marc:You should really think about going all in, you know, all in.
Marc:Get rid of those boots.
Marc:Get rid of that jacket or two.
Marc:Get rid of those belts.
Marc:quit eating that honey.
Marc:I hear you.
Marc:I'm just not there yet.
Marc:Don't know if I ever will be there yet, but I'm halfway there and I'm doing my part primarily for health concerns, but I do feel better about not harming animals.
Marc:And I guess I won't call myself a vegan because I don't want to insult anybody's belief system, but I am eating a plant-based diet.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And along with that,
Marc:You know, I talked about this soy milk I've been drinking and I did Google yesterday again for the third time.
Marc:If soy milk or soy in general boosts male estrogen levels to the point where they may grow breasts.
Marc:Not that I thought I had breasts coming, but yeah, I work out.
Marc:It's hard to tell sometimes.
Marc:Are these boobs or is this muscle?
Marc:But I'm at that age.
Marc:But again, even with many checks over the years, it doesn't seem like there's any evidence of that being true.
Marc:And if it were, I would think that we would have huge Asian populations of men with pretty substantial boobs.
Marc:So I let myself off the hook on that one because soy has protein.
Marc:And that's why I drink it as opposed to almond milk or the other milks.
Marc:And I was drinking this.
Marc:I used this old school soy milk.
Marc:And look, you know, I get it, man.
Marc:We can't we can't all be perfect.
Marc:But, you know, I was I was talking about it here.
Marc:You know, I was talking about it here, the Eden soy.
Marc:And some guy texted me that I thought was some old hippie brand.
Marc:It may well be.
Marc:But it turns out that particular community of hippies is pretty Catholic and pretty pro-life.
Marc:And still, like, these are the struggles, the mundane struggles.
Marc:of the aspiring progressive or the progressive just trying to do what he can is now like, do I got to give up the soy milk?
Marc:Should I not call myself a vegan anymore?
Marc:Do I got to get rid of my boots?
Marc:Meanwhile, the world is burning and fascism is upon us.
Marc:But these are the things you hang on to.
Marc:God damn, I love these boots, but now they're ruined because I'm bad.
Marc:God damn, I love this soy milk, but now it's ruined because the people that make it
Marc:might not be on the level or on your level or believe something that you believe.
Marc:Then the big question is, do I get rid of it?
Marc:Those are the big pressing questions in the new fascism.
Marc:Look, I'm doing the show.
Marc:This is my show.
Marc:Welcome to it.
Marc:I'm a little jacked up because I don't know if you know this about me, but...
Marc:The only time I get a reprieve from my fucking brain is when I talk to other people, and I do that on this show.
Marc:It's a fairly simple principle.
Marc:It's a fairly simple idea.
Marc:I listen to people tell me their stories, and I'm not up in my head.
Marc:Sure, I'll interject.
Marc:I'll interrupt.
Marc:I'll add.
Marc:I'll finish sentences.
Marc:I'll start telling my shit.
Marc:But it's the engagement.
Marc:It's the engagement with another human being that keeps me grounded on this fucking earth in this horrendous time period that we're all living through.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's it.
Marc:Thank God for other people.
Marc:Thank God.
Marc:Thank God for long form conversations.
Guest:All right.
Guest:And to wrap things up here, we've got a chunk of stuff from the Chris Fleming episode, two separate parts, actually.
Guest:The first part here I thought was very fun, but they're talking about Mark Flanagan, who is the owner of Largo.
Guest:They only identify him as Flanny.
Guest:It was a little hard to understand exactly who they were talking about and why without that context.
Guest:So I took this out, but I like this part of the conversation.
Guest:And then a really kind of frivolous section that happened in the episode is
Guest:that I thought would probably try the patience of general listeners.
Guest:But I know you Fulmarin subscribers are a special breed, and I think you're going to enjoy what happened when they brought up famous actresses who wear bangs and the feverish Google search that that prompted mid-episode.
Guest:So this is Mark and Chris Fleming from episode 1627.
Marc:Okay, so after those two encounters, the reckoning, and then I'm like, and I'd ask people about you.
Marc:Oh, yeah?
Marc:Who are you asking?
Marc:You asking Flanny?
Marc:Maybe I ask Flanny.
Marc:Flanny's a great source of tall tales.
Marc:Oh, I love.
Marc:They're not actually tall tales.
Marc:They're wonderful stories.
Guest:Yeah, but he knows, like, everything.
Guest:It's almost like, you know, Flanny is everywhere.
Guest:Any person.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:No, Van Morrison.
Guest:No, he's a monster.
Ha, ha, ha.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:You threw me in a dumpster.
Guest:Van Morrison did.
Guest:He threw a trumpet at me.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And you don't even, you never, I rarely ask for the whole story.
Guest:You know, that bit of information is plenty.
Guest:You know what I think?
Guest:I think Flanny is almost like a snake charmer for comics.
Guest:I think that he lulls us into a calm before we, because I think he knows, I think he can feel our nervous systems in a way.
Marc:Oh, yeah, because I'm crazy with him.
Marc:I'm like, you know, how many people do, does that guy sell?
Marc:Why am I?
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Is he selling out?
Marc:Is he selling $250?
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:Because I just look at pictures on my feed and I'm like, that looks like a much more fun situation.
Marc:I see pictures from the comedy store.
Marc:I'm like, am I missing every party?
Marc:Do they wait for me to leave to start taking pictures?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The pictures of you in the Largo hallway, you do look unhappy to be photographed in those pictures.
Marc:Well, that's because I'm sort of like, how many people are out there?
Marc:Why don't we have more comics?
Marc:It's fine.
Marc:It's like, because you're going to do, you know, you do an hour.
Marc:I'm like, well, what if I don't want to do an hour?
Marc:It's like, well, I mean, we can have more.
Marc:And then I always end up with one.
Marc:Everyone else has a party because they're hosting a show and they do four minutes.
Guest:Oh, wait, are you?
Guest:What I do is I do 20 and then I do 20.
Guest:I have an act, then 20 and then an act, then 20.
Guest:I like kind of split up an hour.
Marc:But so you only do two other acts.
Guest:Two or three.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So that sounds like a marathon of a show.
Marc:I go up there, I do one act usually, an hour might do a guest spot, and then I'll do like an hour plus.
Guest:So you do close it out.
Guest:It's rough when someone does their whole act, their whole set.
Guest:At the end?
Guest:No, up top.
Guest:Like if you were to do 40, 45, and then I go on after you, I'm not saying, you know, and then that's rough.
Guest:That's rough to follow because everyone's there to see Marc Maron.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:So that's, well, that's interesting.
Marc:One night...
Marc:Look, Flanny's been around forever.
Marc:He's the best.
Marc:Yeah, he's great.
Marc:He gives me a lot of opportunity.
Marc:He levels me off.
Marc:He makes me feel like I'm one of the better comics he has over there.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But one night I was there and...
Marc:It was just me, and I think I had one other comic book.
Marc:He's like, Judd wants to come by and work on some stuff for an award show.
Marc:I'm like, okay.
Marc:And then a little time goes by.
Marc:He's like, would you mind if Sandler dropped in?
Marc:And I'm like, I don't know.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Sandler, that's fine.
Marc:And then it's like, Nate Bargetsy's coming by.
Marc:I'm like, oh, my God.
Marc:Mitt Romney wants to do it.
Marc:His folk trio is going to do something.
Marc:We have two arenas.
Marc:Well, Nate Bargazzi is an arenas, but he has like 30 guys doing the show.
Marc:Yeah, I like Nate.
Marc:I just had lunch with him.
Marc:But I think that the variety show is back.
Marc:Oh, big time.
Marc:The gong show.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Unspoken.
Marc:Did you do it?
Marc:What, the gong show?
Marc:No, it's before you.
Marc:No, I never did it.
Marc:I was young.
Marc:You were young.
Marc:What were you like when you were young?
Guest:Uncomfortable.
Guest:Uncomfortable.
Guest:Was this here?
Guest:I can't imagine.
Marc:No, the mustache is relatively new.
Marc:I didn't have the mustache until probably I started the podcast.
Guest:I feel like it's in the way Freddie Mercury's mustache influenced his voice.
Guest:I feel like I hear.
Guest:I'm talking through the mustache?
Guest:In a good way.
Marc:Yeah, like if I didn't have the mustache, you'd be like, it's not Mark.
Marc:It's not full Mark.
Marc:It's too smooth.
Marc:Yeah, there's something going on there.
Marc:When I started, I had a lot of different haircuts.
Marc:Oh, of course.
Marc:You had the long, straight hair.
Marc:I had all kinds of glasses.
Marc:I had short, short hair.
Marc:I had different frames.
Guest:And your social media person's putting those up.
Marc:I know, I know.
Marc:It's kind of weird.
Marc:There's a documentary I'm going to see about me next week in South by Southwest.
Marc:Steve Fine Arts, he's been following me around for four years.
Marc:Steve Fine Arts?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:That sounds like a... You don't know Steve Fine Arts?
Guest:Wait, is it Steve... Three names?
Guest:Steve Fine Arts?
Marc:No, I wish it was.
Marc:Sounds like a quack doctor?
Marc:No, no, it's a... Michael Jackson doctor?
Marc:No, like Fine Arts.
Marc:No, it's like a Jewish F-E-I-N-A-R-T-Z.
Marc:Fine Arts.
Marc:That's a beautiful... It's good, right?
Marc:I love when a name... How do you not know him?
Marc:Like, see, I don't know who's... He did the doc on Eddie Pepitone.
Marc:Bitter Buddha.
Marc:Bitter Buddha, yeah.
Marc:That's Fine Arts.
Marc:Eddie Pepitone.
Marc:And then I realized, like, he likes us guys that are struggling with ourselves and, you know, kind of make their way.
Guest:But you've struggled so much with yourself that it seems like you've gone beyond the struggle and that you seem to be thriving, right?
Marc:Well, yeah.
Marc:I mean, as much as someone who struggles with themselves can thrive.
Marc:The wild outfits.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What was her name?
Marc:No, God, why am I forgetting her name?
Marc:The Bangs, the famous Bangs of his, you know, the one who kind of invented that haircut.
Marc:She was an actress.
Marc:Cleopatra?
Marc:No, it was, oh, man.
Marc:Liz Taylor?
Guest:Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
Marc:we could google her famous famous who invented bangs yeah the lulu brooks was it maybe lulu brooks no there was another one a vixen a vixen lulu brooks was a silent actress and she did the bob bangs thing oh yeah yeah sure sure
Marc:How am I going to Google this?
Marc:Lulu Brooks?
Guest:No, no, I know Lulu Brooks.
Guest:It's not who I'm thinking of.
Guest:When you say vixen, are you saying you personally find her to be a vixen?
Guest:Well, there's Louise Brooks, and she was definitely part of it.
Guest:Oh, yeah, those are pretty straight.
Guest:That's like a ruler across the forehead.
Marc:But there was another one.
Guest:I like your desktop background.
Marc:Famous vixens.
Marc:No, no.
Marc:The most iconic bangs in history.
Marc:Maybe that'll do it.
Guest:What about famous vixens of yesteryear?
Marc:Famous vixens of yesteryear.
Marc:These were all too new.
Guest:I'm thinking Otsko?
Guest:I don't think she's into the full cut.
Marc:Bangs.
Marc:Actress with.
Guest:Wait, I'll look on my phone too.
Marc:Bangs.
Guest:Let's get the whole team with this.
Guest:From old days.
Guest:Flanny just texted me.
Guest:Okay, bang.
Guest:Yeah, he would know this person.
Guest:Oh yeah, she used to have an end friends show in 2001.
Marc:She was more of a.
Guest:Famous bangs.
Marc:I can't believe I can't get her fucking name.
Guest:Vixens.
Guest:Okay, the most iconic bangs throughout history.
Guest:This has got to be it, man.
Guest:Louise Brooks.
Guest:Yeah, I got that one.
Guest:Clara Bow.
Guest:Betty Page.
Guest:Betty Davis?
Guest:No, Betty Page.
Guest:Hold on.
Guest:Let me see if I'm right.
Guest:Well, she's not number... Audrey Hepburn.
Guest:She's not in the top.
Guest:Betty Page, number five.
Guest:Look, you got her.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:You got her.
Guest:That's it.
Guest:That's the haircut.
Guest:Betty Page.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yes, yes, yes.
Marc:Like, okay.
Marc:I remember that legit.
Marc:No Google.
Marc:No Google.
Marc:I remember that on my own.
Marc:I just wanted that to be noted.
Guest:Yeah, for the record.
Guest:I pulled it out of my head.
Guest:Mark was Googling, but we didn't get any results.
Guest:Mark got that from his own life.
Guest:Betty Page.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:A lot of Betty Page.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's what you see.
Guest:A lot of Betty Page.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:That'll do it for producer cuts this month.
Guest:Thank you always for being here on the full Marin.
Guest:We'll bring these to you anytime.
Guest:I have another collection of edited segments that I didn't put in the episode, but I feel are perfect for you here.
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Guest:Thanks again for being with us.