BONUS Extra Peter Weller

Episode 733830 • Released April 8, 2025 • Speakers detected

00:00:04Marc:You know, I'm doing a new hour of comedy.

00:00:15Marc:So, yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to present, you know, and what do I do?

00:00:21Marc:Are you a podcast or live?

00:00:23Marc:No, no.

00:00:23Marc:I mean, I'm a touring comic.

00:00:24Marc:I know you're touring.

00:00:25Marc:What are you touring again?

00:00:26Marc:I'm touring now.

00:00:28Marc:I'm going back out on Thursday.

00:00:30Marc:Where are you going?

00:00:30Marc:I'm going to shoot my HBO special in May in New York.

00:00:34Marc:And I'm trying to put together an hour out of an hour and 40.

00:00:36Marc:And, you know, living in the world we're living in.

00:00:39Marc:And there's a shift in the act where I actually say that.

00:00:42Marc:It's like, look, you know, I'll do the first 15 minutes about where I'm at and where we're at and that we're like-minded and we're scared.

00:00:50Marc:But I can't solve any problems for you other than being here with you.

00:00:54Marc:And then after that, I'm just going to be entertaining.

00:00:58Guest:Yeah, but why not?

00:01:00Guest:I mean, look, you got cats.

00:01:03Guest:Yeah, there's a lot of cats.

00:01:04Guest:Are you a cat fan?

00:01:05Marc:Yeah.

00:01:06Marc:Yeah, me too.

00:01:06Marc:One of them's sick right now.

00:01:08Marc:Yeah, I've heard your cat's on the show.

00:01:10Marc:He gets stressed when I go away, and then he gets colitis, and it's a fucking disaster.

00:01:14Marc:There's shit all over the house.

00:01:16Guest:I think you're a catharsis, brother.

00:01:17Guest:Yeah.

00:01:18Guest:I think you are.

00:01:19Guest:I think your great gift is delivering catharsis, because...

00:01:22Guest:I've never heard anybody cover the waterfront more than you.

00:01:26Guest:It doesn't matter whether it's regarding art, politics, animals, whatever.

00:01:31Guest:The Jane Goodall, your Jane Goodall interview.

00:01:34Guest:No, that's inspiring, the thing.

00:01:36Guest:I mean, she's an inspiration.

00:01:38Guest:Totally.

00:01:38Guest:But the questions you would ask her in the background you did and the whole sort of jam with her investment in where humanity is going.

00:01:46Guest:It's inspirational, man.

00:01:47Guest:Well, thanks, buddy.

00:01:48Guest:Yeah, man.

00:01:48Guest:So let's talk about New Age because I love that guy, Tolkien.

00:01:54Guest:Oh, he's a gem.

00:01:55Guest:He got me going back to the Catholic Church.

00:01:57Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:02:00Guest:A Reformed Jew got me going back to the Catholic Church.

00:02:03Guest:No shit.

00:02:03Guest:Yeah, he was practicing for the new age, which is about moral bankruptcy, by the way.

00:02:07Guest:In L.A.

00:02:08Guest:In L.A.

00:02:08Guest:Like people you knew, people you were.

00:02:10Guest:Yeah, and I'm living in a million-some-odd-dollar house at the same time in my kitchen, living in a glistening lab.

00:02:18Guest:You knew that particular street.

00:02:21Guest:By the way, that's another story, but Al Pacino, actually, without knowing it,

00:02:27Guest:Got me that gig.

00:02:28Guest:Oh, really?

00:02:29Guest:Yeah.

00:02:29Guest:By giving me a hug at the right time in front of a certain person who was dicey about and complimenting me about Naked Lunch and then walking away and next thing I know I got the offer.

00:02:39Guest:Yeah.

00:02:39Guest:So Al is like a sort of a granddaddy to me of that show.

00:02:42Guest:But listen, here's what Michael Tolkien gives.

00:02:45Guest:He is saying to me in this kitchen, he says, you're a sober guy.

00:02:49Guest:Yeah.

00:02:49Guest:You go to meetings.

00:02:50Guest:I said, yeah, I don't go to meetings.

00:02:52Guest:Do you go to church?

00:02:53Guest:He says, you know, this whole movie is inspired about me refinding a spiritual life.

00:03:02Guest:I go, really?

00:03:03Guest:And he goes, yeah, that's what this is.

00:03:05Guest:Why don't you go to church?

00:03:06Guest:I said, because I don't want to hear bullshit.

00:03:08Guest:He said, well, you know what?

00:03:10Guest:I'm going to suggest to you that maybe it's a good place to go hang.

00:03:12Guest:And if you hear bullshit, leave.

00:03:15Guest:And if you hear good shit, stay.

00:03:17Guest:Yeah.

00:03:17Guest:I'm just suggesting.

00:03:19Guest:It has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, you know, Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh, Allah, whatever, man.

00:03:24Guest:It's just a communal experience.

00:03:27Guest:I go, that sounds like dogma to me, Michael, but I'm going to check it out.

00:03:32Guest:And about two weeks later, I went to Venice, and I pull into this church.

00:03:35Guest:It's a nothing church.

00:03:36Guest:Yeah.

00:03:37Guest:And I hear this guy.

00:03:38Guest:There's no nothing churches in Italy, but I get what you're saying.

00:03:41Guest:No, but this is like, but you know, it's a tiny church.

00:03:43Guest:Okay.

00:03:43Guest:It's got a tiny contingency.

00:03:45Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:45Guest:It's not like San Marco.

00:03:47Guest:Right.

00:03:48Guest:You know, and watch out for the gold ceilings.

00:03:51Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:51Guest:And I hear this priest in the drosh.

00:03:54Guest:Yeah.

00:03:55Guest:Or the homily.

00:03:57Guest:And I certainly wish I had one of these cats growing up.

00:04:01Guest:Yeah.

00:04:03Guest:You know, in homily, if you're talking love, if you're talking love and you don't take it out of here, it's worthless.

00:04:13Guest:You cannot come to church and hear about spreading of love and not take it out of church and spread it.

00:04:19Guest:Oh, this is worthless.

00:04:20Guest:Yeah.

00:04:21Guest:And I think, man, why didn't I have one of those cats?

00:04:24Guest:I had the shame and blame guy.

00:04:26Guest:I had the fire and brinster.

00:04:27Guest:I had to get your hands out of your pockets and play with yourself guy.

00:04:30Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:31Guest:I didn't hear this guy.

00:04:32Guest:And so once in a while, I go back.

00:04:34Marc:Yeah.

00:04:35Guest:And if I hear something great, I stay.

00:04:37Guest:And if I don't hear something great, I don't.

00:04:38Marc:Yeah.

00:04:39Marc:Well, what do you think about...

00:04:41Marc:Well, Tolkien's a genius, man.

00:04:43Marc:I think he is.

00:04:44Marc:I mean, The Player, New Age, and The Rapture, I fucking love.

00:04:49Marc:Rapture?

00:04:50Marc:Oh, my God.

00:04:50Marc:Come on, dude.

00:04:51Marc:I know, man.

00:04:52Marc:And I realized he wrote one of my favorite movies.

00:04:55Marc:There's two movies I'm obsessed with, modern movies.

00:04:58Marc:Right.

00:04:59Marc:I never shut up about Michael Clayton, and that's not him.

00:05:02Marc:But he wrote Changing Lanes, which is a fucking sober movie, dude.

00:05:06Marc:And it's one of the great fucking sober movies ever.

00:05:08Marc:Did you ever watch that with Samuel Jackson and Ben Affleck?

00:05:11Marc:Yeah.

00:05:12Marc:It's fucking great.

00:05:13Marc:Yeah.

00:05:13Marc:And I talk that shit up all the time.

00:05:15Marc:It's gifted, man.

00:05:16Marc:Oh, my God, dude.

00:05:17Marc:Yeah.

00:05:18Marc:Where, you know, the whole thing about it's all sober.

00:05:22Marc:It's just Samuel Jackson, just a guy trying to do the right fucking thing.

00:05:27Marc:Yeah.

00:05:27Marc:And some asshole hits his car.

00:05:30Marc:And man, dry drunk city.

00:05:32Marc:I know.

00:05:33Marc:And the shit starts, man.

00:05:34Marc:Oh, my God.

00:05:35Marc:I loved it.

00:05:36Guest:And there's the other one he wrote with Goldblum and Lawrence Fishburne and the thriller.

00:05:47Guest:It's wonderful.

00:05:48Guest:Not Deep Impact.

00:05:49Marc:Yeah.

00:05:49Marc:Yeah, Deep Impact.

00:05:50Marc:No, Deep Impact is something else.

00:05:51Marc:Deep Cover.

00:05:52Marc:Deep Cover, yeah.

00:05:53Marc:Deep Cover, yeah.

00:05:54Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:54Marc:I don't know if I saw that one.

00:05:55Marc:Oh, it's good.

00:05:56Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:05:57Marc:So, Naked Lunch, which was before that.

00:05:59Marc:Now, was Burroughs dead yet?

00:06:01No.

00:06:02Guest:No.

00:06:04Guest:Cronenberg and I had gone to see Burroughs right before I started New Age because Judy Davis, once again, it's Judy Davis, who I think is maybe one of the best.

00:06:16Marc:I just saw her in something in, fuck, whose movie was that?

00:06:21Marc:I just talked to the guy.

00:06:23Marc:She's got more music than Mozart.

00:06:25Marc:Oh, my God.

00:06:25Marc:It was that guy.

00:06:27Marc:Fuck me.

00:06:28Marc:Hold on.

00:06:32Guest:I'm going to cheat because... Go ahead.

00:06:33Marc:Cheat.

00:06:34Guest:While you're cheating, I'll just tell you that the three people that I worked with that I had thrown my car into neutral because I knew I was not going to come up with anything are Judy and Diane Keaton

00:06:47Guest:And on stage, Diane Wiest.

00:06:49Guest:Yeah.

00:06:50Guest:And those three actresses, or actors now, as we say, were undefinable power.

00:06:59Guest:The best.

00:06:59Guest:Yeah, and neither one of them, not any of the three, are my particular hot jam, right?

00:07:07Guest:But the second that I was...

00:07:10Guest:Rehearsing with them, I thought, no, no, no, no, man.

00:07:14Guest:This is like I'm dealing here with Beethoven, and I'm still trying to play scales, man.

00:07:23Guest:It made a big difference, huh?

00:07:24Guest:Yeah, I just put my car into neutral and rolled with them, whatever they're doing.

00:07:28Guest:She played, it was this one.

00:07:30Marc:Judy Garland?

00:07:31Marc:What?

00:07:31Marc:Judy Davis.

00:07:32Marc:Played Judy Garland.

00:07:34Marc:Right.

00:07:34Marc:She was great.

00:07:35Marc:But no, it was this guy, Kerzel, whose movie I did The Order.

00:07:38Marc:I played Alan Berg at the beginning of the film.

00:07:40Marc:It's about the Nazi.

00:07:41Marc:He's an Australian director and he's a genius.

00:07:44Marc:And he did a movie called Nitrim.

00:07:46Marc:about a shooter, a young guy who went and killed a bunch of people.

00:07:51Marc:And I think it was Australia years ago.

00:07:53Marc:And he did sort of a character assessment about that guy.

00:07:58Marc:She's in it?

00:08:00Marc:Yeah, she plays the mother.

00:08:02Marc:And I hadn't seen her in years.

00:08:04Marc:And it was fucking great.

00:08:05Marc:Go find that movie.

00:08:06Marc:Nitrum.

00:08:07Marc:Nitrum.

00:08:08Guest:Now, did you do a movie with his director?

00:08:09Marc:Yeah, Kurtzel, yeah.

00:08:10Marc:Yeah.

00:08:11Marc:Yeah, and I interviewed him, too.

00:08:13Marc:Yeah, he just did a movie with Jude Law called The Order about the domestic Nazi terrorist group in the 80s who killed that DJ.

00:08:21Marc:Right.

00:08:21Marc:Alan Berg.

00:08:22Marc:I played Berg.

00:08:23Marc:Oh, you did?

00:08:24Marc:Yeah, at the beginning of the film, and I got gunned down.

00:08:26Marc:I'm only in it for a few minutes.

00:08:28Marc:But I get shot up.

00:08:29Marc:I'll see both those movies.

00:08:31Marc:You watch all those movies.

00:08:32Marc:He's a fucking beautiful director.

00:08:34Marc:But Burroughs, so what was it like meeting him?

00:08:36Guest:Well, I met him with Robert Graham, the great figurative sculptor.

00:08:40Guest:He was married to Angelica Huston.

00:08:42Guest:And a guy named Earl McGrath, who owned an art gallery on Robertson, was throwing a party.

00:08:49Guest:with Robert Graham.

00:08:51Guest:Yeah.

00:08:52Guest:And he was a pal and a guy I admired.

00:08:54Guest:Yeah.

00:08:54Guest:And I go and Robert Graham says, you want to meet this guy you're going to play?

00:08:58Guest:Yeah.

00:08:58Guest:I said, I got- What year is this?

00:09:00Guest:How old was he?

00:09:02Guest:He was 74.

00:09:02Guest:Yeah.

00:09:04Guest:Oh, okay.

00:09:05Guest:I think something like that.

00:09:06Marc:So he was like, he was, you know, solid.

00:09:09Guest:Solid.

00:09:09Guest:Yeah.

00:09:10Guest:And so I walk in and there he is in front of a couple of his own works of art.

00:09:14Marc:Yeah.

00:09:15Yeah.

00:09:15Guest:In front of his shotgun paintings?

00:09:17Guest:Not shotgun paintings, but there were long lines.

00:09:20Guest:There were definitely the collage paintings of newspapers and stuff like that.

00:09:26Guest:Oh, the stuff he did with Geisen?

00:09:27Guest:Yeah.

00:09:28Guest:Okay.

00:09:28Guest:So he says, let's go sit down and talk.

00:09:30Guest:Yeah.

00:09:31Guest:So we go sit down and talk, and we talk about...

00:09:36Guest:and we talk about narcotics, and we talk about the way the world is going, and we talk about what drug addiction really is, and what writing is, and just to cover it, we sat there for two and a half hours, just talking to talking to talking.

00:09:50Guest:Now, I gotta go to Malaysia,

00:09:53Guest:to make a film, one of the last, a fun film called 50-50, and then I'm going to go on to Toronto and make this movie with Bill.

00:10:00Guest:And I stayed in touch with him, reading his biography, and then by the time I get to Toronto... You read, oh, Burroughs, you mean?

00:10:09Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:10:10Guest:You read The Adding Machine?

00:10:11Guest:Yeah, I'm reading everything.

00:10:13Guest:And by the way, I asked Cronenberg to do this film.

00:10:17Guest:Yeah.

00:10:19Guest:I was offered RoboCop 3,

00:10:21Guest:And didn't want to do it.

00:10:23Guest:And then I had written to Cronenberg because I promoted RoboCop 2 in Cannes.

00:10:28Guest:And I see 20th century Naked Lunch.

00:10:30Guest:Now, Naked Lunch is organic to me because in the 60s, that was what I read.

00:10:37Guest:And that is a phantasmagoria.

00:10:41Guest:A Gulliver's travels that predicts AIDS, predicts crack, predicts...

00:10:45Guest:Liposuction.

00:10:47Guest:There's everything in it.

00:10:49Guest:And so I'd written to Cronenberg right after I came back from Cannes.

00:10:52Guest:I hear you're going to do this movie.

00:10:54Guest:I'm now putting in my submission to play Bill Burroughs.

00:10:57Guest:And he called me back and said, let's meet.

00:10:59Guest:And we met.

00:11:00Guest:We talked about Ferraris is all we talked about.

00:11:03Guest:I'm getting offered like a paycheck that's like 10% of what...

00:11:08Guest:I was going to get to do R3.

00:11:10Guest:And I didn't care.

00:11:11Guest:I just said, this is a dream come true.

00:11:15Marc:So what about Burroughs in the sense of, because I don't know when you built a relationship with Miles, but these guys were out there.

00:11:23Marc:They were out there on the edge of it.

00:11:25Marc:And what do you take away from Burroughs outside of the prophecy of Naked Lunch?

00:11:36Guest:Uh...

00:11:38Guest:The greatest lesson I learned from him was a personal lesson of...

00:11:45Guest:Oh, man.

00:11:47Guest:It's hard to say.

00:11:48Guest:The best thing I learned from him was almost a moral slap in the face about addiction.

00:11:55Guest:A moral slap in the face.

00:11:57Guest:I'll tell you this very quickly.

00:12:00Guest:I got a migraine headache in those days, and I used to travel with whatever that pill was that fixed your headache, like I wasn't one of those guys.

00:12:09Guest:And I went to New York for a Chamber of Commerce meeting for a theater and so forth.

00:12:14Guest:And all of a sudden, a migraine comes on.

00:12:15Guest:And I got nothing.

00:12:16Guest:I'm looking in the medicine cabinet.

00:12:17Guest:I see this from like 1977, some wisdom tooth pills.

00:12:24Guest:It wasn't Vicodin.

00:12:25Guest:It was before that.

00:12:26Guest:And so I take one.

00:12:27Guest:And I take another one.

00:12:29Guest:And the headache goes away, and everything becomes very meaningful.

00:12:33Guest:And then I wake up with this hangover.

00:12:35Guest:And I say, I ought to go back to Naked Lunch.

00:12:37Guest:And I'm talking to my ex-shrink, who's all in black.

00:12:40Guest:I say, what is this stuff?

00:12:41Guest:He says, I don't know.

00:12:41Guest:Throw it away, though, man.

00:12:42Guest:Throw it away, man.

00:12:43Guest:It's useless.

00:12:44Guest:I go back to Burroughs, and I say, hey, Bill, I was in New York last night.

00:12:48Guest:Yeah, I actually had that voice.

00:12:49Guest:I said, I've got to ask you something, man.

00:12:51Guest:There's this pill I had for wisdom teeth, man.

00:12:53Guest:and I told him what it was, and he said, the small blue, it's a pharmaceutical, a small blue, or is it the big yellow with 500 milligrams, and I said, yeah, the big yellow, he says, yeah, with the phenobarbital back, and he tells me what it is, and I go, fuck, man, I had this headache, and we've already talked about drugs, right?

00:13:15Guest:We've already had many conversations about narcotics and the recovery of narcotics.

00:13:19Guest:And so I go, what is it?

00:13:20Guest:And he's got this thing.

00:13:22Guest:This is another Uta Hagen moment, by the way.

00:13:25Guest:He goes, what do you mean?

00:13:25Guest:What is it?

00:13:26Guest:And I go, yeah, like, what is this?

00:13:29Guest:And he's like a giraffe.

00:13:31Guest:His head comes off his shoulders, and he eyeballs turn into like silver dolls, and he says, it's junk.

00:13:39Guest:Yeah.

00:13:39Guest:And he walks off, man.

00:13:42Guest:And it's like somebody took a hatchet into my head.

00:13:45Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:46Guest:And I thought, okay, that's the distinction between an actor, because the actors always want to think they're the guy.

00:13:51Guest:Yeah.

00:13:51Guest:You know, directing Sons of Anarchy, the actors always want to think they're Hells Angels.

00:13:54Guest:I'm sorry, they're not.

00:13:55Guest:Yeah.

00:13:55Guest:You know, I want to think that I sold my ass in the streets of 10 years.

00:13:59Guest:I'm sorry.

00:14:00Guest:I didn't.

00:14:01Guest:I'm the guy acting it.

00:14:02Guest:I am not the guy.

00:14:03Guest:So I got to track him down.

00:14:04Guest:And that's the distinction with actors because they'd be pretty fucking phony sometimes.

00:14:08Guest:You know that.

00:14:08Guest:So I track him down, you know, and he's sitting by the set.

00:14:11Guest:I said, Bill, okay, get it, get it, get it.

00:14:13Guest:He goes, you do?

00:14:14Guest:I go, yeah.

00:14:15Guest:I says, you're fucking around with pills?

00:14:17Guest:And I go, well, this is before the big, you know,

00:14:20Guest:opioid thing has exploded.

00:14:22Marc:Was it Percodin?

00:14:23Guest:It was Percodin.

00:14:24Guest:Yeah.

00:14:25Guest:Yeah.

00:14:25Guest:How'd you know?

00:14:26Guest:Yellow.

00:14:26Guest:Yeah, it was yellow.

00:14:27Marc:That's right.

00:14:27Guest:It was Percodin.

00:14:28Guest:Okay.

00:14:28Guest:Not Percodin, Percodin.

00:14:29Guest:Yeah.

00:14:31Guest:And so he said, he said, it's, this is what Quinones gets into the thing.

00:14:37Guest:He said, you know, it's worse than,

00:14:39Guest:than junk because your body has to synthesize organic morphine or heroin.

00:14:46Guest:I'm trying to imitate his voice, right?

00:14:48Guest:But with the pill, it's already been figured out.

00:14:51Guest:Pharma has figured it out, how it goes bang, right to the back brain and fucks you up.

00:14:57Guest:And I said, thank you for that.

00:14:59Guest:He said,

00:15:00Guest:You got it?

00:15:02Guest:Yeah.

00:15:02Guest:And that was, look, somebody says, come on, you learned something more than that.

00:15:06Guest:No, that's about as good a lesson as you can learn.

00:15:09Guest:As many of the conversations about art, literature, beatniks, you know, on and on and on.

00:15:16Guest:That is a life lesson.

00:15:18Guest:That's an OODA gift.

00:15:19Guest:It's not somebody up there on a pulpit talking about some shit.

00:15:22Guest:Yeah.

00:15:23Guest:And yelled it and had never heard of me.

00:15:25Guest:The opposite of love.

00:15:26Guest:The opposite of love, yeah.

00:15:28Guest:It's junk.

00:15:29Guest:You're fucking with junk.

00:15:31Marc:Yeah.

00:15:32Marc:It's beautiful.

00:15:33Marc:I just get a little obsessed with the, you know, something that always comes up for me.

00:15:38Marc:I can't wrap my brain around a lot of his writing sometimes, you know, and I try.

00:15:42Guest:It's experimental.

00:15:42Marc:It's Ornette Coleman.

00:15:44Marc:Yeah, totally, with the cut-up stuff.

00:15:46Marc:In their later books, like I really love like A Place of Dead Roads or Western Lands, like the last trilogy.

00:15:53Marc:That stuff where he's really kind of like, you know, he's got a framework.

00:15:56Marc:Right.

00:15:57Marc:You know, that he's going to work in, you know, but stuff like the ticket that exploded and that stuff's a little hard.

00:16:02Marc:But like this obsession he has with Hassan Asaba, you know, the original assassins and the nothing is true.

00:16:09Marc:Everything is permitted.

00:16:10Marc:Yes.

00:16:10Marc:What does that mean, dude?

00:16:14Guest:Well, nothing is true, everything is permitted.

00:16:16Guest:Hasani Saba was this guy who just went, okay, it's chaos.

00:16:22Guest:I mean, this is no more than Cormac McCarthy.

00:16:25Guest:Okay, right, okay, yeah.

00:16:27Guest:It's the same shit.

00:16:28Guest:I mean, people say, if people, and we do,

00:16:33Guest:fight for, as they say in Zen, structure.

00:16:37Guest:Yeah.

00:16:37Guest:Right?

00:16:38Guest:Why?

00:16:39Guest:Because they feel safe.

00:16:40Guest:Right.

00:16:41Guest:And the lie is they're never safe.

00:16:43Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:16:43Guest:Okay.

00:16:43Guest:Yeah, we're all going to die.

00:16:44Guest:Yeah.

00:16:45Guest:So Asani Saba says, no, the cat's out of the bag, man.

00:16:49Guest:Yeah.

00:16:49Guest:You know, everybody's on their own.

00:16:51Guest:Yeah.

00:16:51Guest:Now it's a run.

00:16:52Guest:And Burroughs saw that early on.

00:16:55Guest:Burroughs is, I think, according to...

00:16:59Guest:a true existentialist.

00:17:01Guest:Not like a Sartre guy, but like a nihilist almost.

00:17:04Guest:A nihilist almost, yeah.

00:17:06Guest:So I know we're talking heady shit here.

00:17:08Guest:It's all right, it's all right.

00:17:09Guest:Okay, Mark Maron and Peter Waller, can you stop talking about the heavy fighting?

00:17:11Marc:No, they're all right.

00:17:12Guest:Yeah, okay.

00:17:13Guest:Don't worry about them.

00:17:14Guest:Well, there you go.

00:17:15Guest:See, that's the guy not living in nihilism, the guy worried about his, like, you know, his context.

00:17:21Guest:Well, sure.

00:17:22Guest:Yeah, but we have a context.

00:17:23Guest:Yeah, and so Hassan Isaba is the guy who goes, no, you don't have context.

00:17:26Guest:You can blab whatever you want with Marc Maron.

00:17:28Guest:You know, there's no—

00:17:29Guest:And by the way, anything can happen.

00:17:32Marc:But see, for me, applying it to what we're living in now, where all the systems of structure have now shattered.

00:17:40Guest:They're all shattered.

00:17:41Guest:All the barometers of truth are gone.

00:17:42Guest:Okay, let me ask you something.

00:17:43Guest:Do you feel sometimes, and this is why whoever said it, Bell or you, about put down your phone and your kid's seeing you crying, you feel sometimes, I haven't felt this since 1968, that somebody could knock on my door and say, by the way, you're not getting your...

00:18:00Guest:By the way, we're taking your, I kind of, I feel that now.

00:18:06Guest:It's not paranoia.

00:18:07Guest:It's just sort of an instinct that there is no sanctity or certainty right now.

00:18:12Guest:With the structure.

00:18:14Guest:With the structure.

00:18:15Guest:that I depend on of a republic to do the right thing.

00:18:20Guest:So Hassani Saba, yeah, man.

00:18:22Guest:So free yourself through nihilism if you've got the balls.

00:18:25Guest:Yeah, take off your clothes and jump in, man.

00:18:27Guest:And that's what he's saying.

00:18:29Guest:But it's the same thing as philosophy.

00:18:31Guest:There's only one mark you cannot fool.

00:18:34Marc:The mark inside.

00:18:35Guest:That's Bill.

00:18:37Guest:That's the best.

00:18:39Guest:Yeah, it is.

00:18:40Guest:Boy, that is, isn't it?

00:18:42Guest:And the other thing he said is that now it's the preface to the new naked legend said, you know, as long as government tilt, this is his quote, tilt quixotically to the top of the pyramid to solve a narcotics problem.

00:18:56Guest:Yeah.

00:18:57Guest:You know, they're lost because the bottom of the pyramid, the junkie on the street.

00:19:02Guest:is the thing that must be handled.

00:19:04Guest:Yeah, interesting.

00:19:06Guest:How many people are you going to bust?

00:19:07Guest:How many people are you going to bust?

00:19:08Guest:How many people are you going to bust?

00:19:09Guest:Fine.

00:19:10Guest:You're just taking chips off the top of the pyramid.

00:19:13Guest:Who cares?

00:19:13Marc:Yeah, and using that as a cudgel to take more power.

00:19:17Marc:I mean, even now with fentanyl.

00:19:19Marc:Like the idea, we're going to close these.

00:19:20Marc:That's a big problem with Canada.

00:19:22Marc:is that there's fentanyl coming in.

00:19:24Marc:There's like 10 guys ever bringing fentanyl over.

00:19:26Marc:But it's a port, you know, it's a port of, it's a place of entry for Trump to have a conversation about taking over Canada.

00:19:34Marc:Yeah, it is.

00:19:35Marc:But it's leverage.

00:19:37Marc:Leverage, that's the word.