BONUS The Friday Show - Robo Wants Oreo
Guest:He comes from the sea.
Guest:He has gills and sharp teeth.
Guest:And I forget what he leaves for you.
Guest:Sardines or something?
Guest:Fish?
Marc:No, isn't it?
Marc:Isn't it candy?
Marc:Or do the children cry and he gives them candy?
Guest:Yes, yes.
Guest:He makes you cry to get candy.
Guest:You have to cry to get candy.
Guest:If that's not demented and amazing enough.
Guest:hey chris hey bernan so did you know that robocop played jazz trumpet and was an art historian no that was a shock to me that's like that was like wait what i had to check to make sure i was listening to the right episode i was like wait a second he's like an art aficionado oh yeah i mean like this book that he wrote is a is a textbook like i
Guest:Look, I mean, we're going to plug whatever anybody's coming on to sell, right?
Guest:That's part of the deal, right?
Guest:You're coming on this show.
Guest:We'll give you a plug for what you're going to do.
Guest:I mean, God bless if you buy this textbook.
Guest:I looked at what it looks like.
Guest:It's one of those things that I would turn into dust if I opened one page of it.
Guest:Just gone.
Yeah.
Marc:It's like he actually said it to a book that Mark read.
Marc:He's like, oh, you read that book?
Marc:Great.
Marc:Can you tell me what it's about?
Guest:Yeah, this is one of those things I remember like when I was in college and you'd be in the bookstore like getting books for the year that if like the teacher assigned this book and you went and picked it up, you'd be like, oh my God, are you kidding me?
Guest:Yeah, I think I might have to drop this class right now.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But he was I love that he was like into the Rothko Chapel.
Marc:This was this was great.
Marc:I felt like it was just picking up with our conversation.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Everything hooking together.
Guest:You know, it happened twice this week.
Guest:Like I felt like that that RoboCop episode, which is all I'm going to call that.
Marc:Poor guy, by the way.
Marc:They start off the conversation and he's like, well, I did 16 years in theater in New York.
Guest:He's still RoboCop to everyone.
Guest:Oh, shit.
Guest:But yeah, it was like we went from talking about, you know, the visit you made to the Rothko Chapel and all the art.
Guest:And then it just like flowed right into that Peter Weller episode.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And like, it was the same thing last week with the, you know, we had the Andy Kaufman stuff and then that went right into Andy Kaufman and then it just wound up happening.
Guest:I did not direct Mark to do this, but you know, he recorded that interview with Gavin Matz a couple of weeks ago, might've been like a couple of months ago now, frankly.
Guest:And we held it for the premiere of Hacks, right?
Guest:Because that's like ostensibly what he's in right now.
Guest:His comedy special came out last year.
Guest:So it's like if you're trying to line it up with a peg, hold it for the premiere of Hacks.
Guest:And so Mark does his intro.
Guest:I guarantee you Mark did not remember like the specifics of how that whole conversation with Gavin went.
Guest:But like he sends me this intro and
Guest:And I had listened to the Gavin Matt's episode already.
Guest:And I'm like, that's weird.
Guest:Did he like know that he wound up talking about like this same stuff with Gavin?
Guest:And it was like, it was this very seamless intro into the interview where like all the stuff he's bringing up about like the fears of fascism and the like death of hope and all this stuff, like what you have to do.
Guest:What's like the importance of just like being,
Guest:getting people out of their heads and, and all that stuff.
Guest:And like Gavin's whole thing at the end of the episode, like kind of wound up there.
Guest:And I'm like, that's weird that like the intro seems oddly perfect for this conversation.
Guest:Like we did not plan for it that way.
Guest:And I mentioned that to Mark and he was like, Oh yeah, I didn't remember that.
Guest:that's wild like if you didn't tell me that i'd be like wow so it's cool that this guy gavin was here the same day that mark you know did this uh did the intro like yeah yeah i said like i i i brought it up to him i was like did you intend for this to be a thematic intro to the episode and he was like no i'm just talking about today yeah
Marc:Oh man, crazy, crazy.
Guest:Someone wrote, wrote into us and said, um, this is an unnamed person, but they wanted to comment about the, um, the story that Peter Weller told on the extra episode that we had the bonus.
Guest:And, uh, it was that, that story about William S Burroughs and how, you know, he was talking to him about the medicine he was taking and he was like, it's junk.
Uh,
Guest:This person wrote in and said, I'm not in a program or anything, but I do work to keep addiction in check.
Guest:And that was something I not only needed to hear today, but was a genuinely wise bit of insight that I'm never going to forget.
Guest:And that's another one of those things that I love about like...
Guest:And it's been the case for me for, you know, forever.
Guest:And Gavin was talking about it too.
Guest:And he was saying that there was that thing that Todd Barry said in a, in a standup special that it was like wet candy or something like that.
Guest:And he's like, that just stuck with me for my whole life.
Guest:He's like, and Todd didn't even remember it.
Guest:And it's like, I can't tell you how many of those there are from this show where I'm like, oh, I'll go to my grave with that.
Guest:Just that like little turn of phrase that that person said, you know, like I'll remember it forever.
Marc:Well, I mean, I don't need much inspiration to go to Venice, but I mean, the guy talking about church in Venice, I love that Mark's like, none of the churches in Venice or just regular.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's like, that's true.
Marc:But there are just churches there that are just on the side that are just gorgeous.
Marc:But yeah, I'm interested to go to Venice.
Marc:I was thinking about doing a weekend trip there just to see some art and whatever this guy was talking about in a textbook.
Guest:Well, somebody wrote in to say to you, Chris, that if you are looking to take a trip somewhere, not Venice, but to go to London and go to the Tate Modern, the museum, that you'd be just as into that as you were to the Rothko Chapel.
Marc:You know, I went to the Tate Modern a couple of years ago when – Oh, yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Aaron and I went for Thanksgiving, which was – it's my favorite thing to do is to go away overseas.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Your China duck story.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And – but –
Marc:One year we went to London.
Marc:They famously do not celebrate Thanksgiving there.
Marc:And Aaron still had to work though on like that Wednesday.
Marc:So I had just a day to myself.
Marc:And it's kind of weird that I realize now that I'm kind of into art.
Marc:I went to the Tate Modern and I walked around and I saw all the things and it was great.
Marc:And just this week, celebrated my 10 year anniversary, we went to MoMA.
Marc:And I gotta say,
Marc:Like, MoMA's great.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Like, it's a touristy thing, but it is fucking fantastic, you know?
Marc:And it's one of those things where, like, as a New Yorker, I could very, like, annoyingly say, well, you know, there's the art museum in Houston.
Marc:That was fun.
Marc:But, like, the MoMA, that's, like, you know, art goes pro.
Marc:But, like...
Marc:They're very similar and they both have great work and you should go to all the art exhibits that you can.
Guest:Oh, I mean, there's some great art museums all over the country that are in places you'd never expect them to be.
Guest:Like, you know, Mark has talked about it, like going to Oklahoma.
Guest:They have amazing museums.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And it just reminded me that art isn't just, oh, I'm going to be in New York.
Marc:I should go see some art.
Marc:No.
Marc:Wherever you are, seek out art, you know, because it is everywhere.
Marc:It really is.
Marc:And thank God it's everywhere, at least right now.
Guest:Yeah, you need it for the soul.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I mean, you need it to just unplug or disconnect from everything.
Marc:But it was so great to be at MoMA, man.
Marc:Like, I don't know the last time you went there, but-
Guest:Not that long ago.
Guest:I was there fairly recently.
Guest:We go a couple of times because they have movie screenings there.
Guest:But that's not like going and walking around the exhibits and the galleries.
Guest:But yeah, I took my son there maybe less than a year ago.
Guest:I know that we were there around this time.
Guest:It was probably last year around this time.
Guest:And yeah, we had a great time there.
Guest:does he dig it like like as a kid because i was thinking of that i was like oh you know my wife and i were like oh well like we should bring our nephew there but i'm like i don't know if he would dig it you know like what he did in well i think the whole reason we went was at the time there was some you know temporary exhibit about video games um like that like uh it wasn't
Guest:like about playing video games.
Guest:It was like the art of like the consoles and like the, it was, it was, uh, it was, it was like a timeline of, of video consoles going back to like the seventies.
Guest:Oh, cool.
Marc:It's like Odyssey and Atari, that sort of thing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But then, then there were also, you know, game design things.
Guest:So he was way into that.
Guest:But, uh, but then, you know, the thing, I don't know, your nephew's how old?
Guest:Uh, 11.
Guest:Yeah, that might be getting there, maybe a little older.
Guest:I think the thing that Owen liked about it is that, especially the MoMA, you go through and virtually every other room, there's something that he knows, right?
Guest:Like, you're like, oh, there's Frida Kahlo.
Guest:Like, he knows on sight.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:right?
Guest:Or like, you know, Dali, right?
Guest:And it's like these things that he's only heard about or seen through popular culture or talked about in his school, you know, like through, through, you know, classes other than art history and things like that, you know, people come up historically, right?
Guest:So like he was into that.
Guest:He's into seeing a Picasso.
Guest:He was into seeing the Monet, right?
Guest:So like that stuff is all really cool.
Guest:Are you going to
Guest:spend the time there that you would just as an adult to like to sit and take things in.
Guest:No, you're there with a kid, but, but, uh, he definitely dug it.
Guest:There was, there was, uh, there was a good, it was a good time.
Marc:It was a good family time.
Marc:That's great.
Marc:And yeah, I've, I'm definitely good thinking about taking my nephew to, uh, to the MoMA, to MoMA.
Marc:And, uh, I, I probably wait a year or two.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And it's hopefully for an exhibit that he likes, but I saw they currently have an exhibit called, uh, the clock, uh,
Guest:Yeah, I've been meaning to get over there for that.
Marc:It is great.
Marc:It's a movie, and every minute is a minute where you're watching a piece of media, be it a television show, a movie, where that minute, that exact minute is happening during that show.
Guest:Right, so in a movie, somebody checks their watch, you see that it's 1.15, and so for that next minute, it's that scene in that movie.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:And is in everything you've seen...
Guest:The time somewhere, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So it's, and it's like, it's in the background or it just happened.
Marc:And then that scene develops.
Guest:It's a. So explain what ones you like, give, give an example of what you saw.
Guest:Like when you walk, cause you get, it's just going 24 hours, right?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:24 hours.
Guest:So you just walked in at any time and see it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So I walked in and Columbo was there and it's like, oh, it's a, what time is it?
Marc:2.15.
Marc:Hmm.
Marc:That's interesting.
Marc:And you said you were over there.
Marc:And so, you know, it was great.
Guest:And then what happened at 2.16?
Marc:A different clip from a, from a Japanese movie happened, you know?
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:So, and it just happens.
Guest:Like it just transitions to it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:No, you know, just a smash cut into the next scene.
Marc:And like, it's, it's one of those things where like, I don't know if it's, if it's anything, it's fun.
Marc:So I don't know.
Marc:I had fun watching it.
Marc:And like, I was telling Erin afterwards, like, ah, how about that?
Marc:So many Columbo clips.
Marc:And she's like, I don't know who that is.
Marc:And like, you don't, you don't know Columbo.
Marc:I feel like.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:You guys got some Tubi to do.
Marc:I know.
Marc:She would love Columbo.
Marc:He's always solving mysteries.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:Did you watch Columbo?
Guest:I watched Columbo as a kid.
Marc:All the time.
Marc:I actually don't even remember a time where I didn't watch Columbo.
Marc:It was like.
Guest:Well, because when we were kids, they were making new Columbos like he would show up.
Guest:It was like, you know, older Peter Falk.
Guest:And that that got me into watching old Columbos.
Marc:Wait, there's old Columbos where he's a young kid.
Guest:No, not a kid, but like the actual Columbo is from the 70s, right?
Guest:It's not from when we were young.
Marc:But yeah, that was like my jam when I was a kid.
Marc:I was into Columbo.
Guest:Yeah, the pilot of Columbo was shot by a young man named Steven Spielberg.
Marc:Yes, amazing.
Marc:I have to seek that out.
Marc:I've never seen that.
Marc:Have you seen it?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:No, it's amazing.
Guest:It's what got him the movie Duel, which was a made-for-TV movie about a truck chasing a guy.
Guest:Right, which I've also never seen.
Guest:Oh, that Duel is fantastic.
Guest:You would love Duel.
Guest:And I'm sure it's available.
Guest:And every now and then it gets screened at a movie theater.
Guest:Definitely seek out Duel.
Guest:One of the cool things about Duel is that, spoiler, when the truck goes off a cliff, the sound that the truck makes...
Guest:He used a dinosaur howling from like some B movie, like 10,000 BC or something like that, right?
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:And that same sound, he repurposes when the shark blows up and you get that shot in Jaws of, after the explosion, you're underwater and the shark carcass is like floating downward, like all blown to bits.
Guest:You hear, if you go watch that and you listen, you hear like a...
Marc:it's that same sound from dual no kidding that's awesome does he do does he use that for jurassic park at all i don't know i have to check that out yeah it seems obvious that he should it's like the wilhelm scream you know like why not use that it's crazy
Guest:yeah exactly uh well all this art talk and uh and and listening to peter weller and then you know hearing you know basically what gavin said at the end of his talk i thought this comment that came in from brian was very appropriate uh he said when mark locks in with a guest it is like fucking magic interviews like this just like the comedy peter commends
Guest:may not give me the answers to how to react to a world truly gone insane, but they meet the moment in reflection and dialogue and exploration and pathos and humility and all of it.
Guest:What can Mark do in these days, and by extension, you guys?
Guest:Keep doing what you do.
Guest:Keep making the shows you make who knows what's ahead, but listening to interviews like this, give me the energy for whatever is next.
Guest:Rather than closing off, they open me up.
Guest:It creates a righteous anger that rather than depresses me, it motivates me to pay closer attention and look for like-minded souls and do my part.
Guest:However, small, uh,
Guest:That's awesome for you to come to that conclusion, Brian.
Guest:And I can't, you know, echo that enough.
Guest:I feel the same way.
Guest:It's why absolutely I think this is a show worth doing.
Guest:And I have said this to Mark from time to time when he has said, what can we do?
Guest:And I've said virtually the same thing you said, Brian, keep doing what we do.
Guest:Like this is important in the ways that you outlined, like talking to people.
Guest:It's important.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Absolutely, man.
Marc:Like this, this podcast has given me a great respite from, from it all.
Marc:And it's, it's awesome.
Guest:Someone else wrote in and said, please talk about the best behind the scenes moment ever.
Guest:The Oreo incident from the set of RoboCop.
Guest:So there is, I'm not even sure what the name of the documentary is.
Guest:There is a RoboCop documentary.
Guest:Also not to be confused with like the stuff that's on the RoboCop DVDs or Blu-rays, because there's like...
Guest:interviews and like short docs on that too, which are also awesome.
Guest:And I've only ever seen these things as the clips themselves.
Guest:I've never like sat and watched the whole thing, but I know exactly what this person is talking about.
Guest:And yes, I'm glad Mark didn't bring this up to Peter.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:So apparently there's on the set of Robocop, like Peter was like in character when he was in character as Robocop, he would like talk about himself in the third person.
Guest:Like he would say like, you know,
Guest:robo want this or whatever you know like he was trying to stay as like a robot and there's this clip of uh this guy who was on set the weapons master you know the guy who comes to you with the gun and says it's clean and whatever and you know hands it to you handle first and make sure you don't kill anybody this guy's name is randy moore
Guest:And he tells this story in the, in the doc and they animate it.
Guest:So, you know, you see what it looks like.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:And it's the scene, you know, climactic battle at the, the, the warehouse, you know, the, at the end where Robocop and the gang are killing each other.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:and uh robocop is up in the in the heights of it like in the in the girders and they're getting ready to start this shoot and the guy randy moore uh the weapons master he comes up to him and he hands him a gun and in his one hand and in his other hand he has a stack of like six oreos okay and this is this guy's story that he says peter looked at him and went robo wants oreo
Guest:and and the guy was like no it's you and me peter robo is not here if peter wants an oreo peter can ask for an oreo and he claims that peter starts banging on the metal of this steel structure and he
Guest:There's people all down below and they all hear him going, Robo wants Oreo.
Guest:Robo wants Oreo.
Guest:Randy has Oreos.
Guest:Give Robo Oreos.
Guest:So like the second assistant director, you know, guy shooting the thing that day gets on the walkie talk and he's like, Randy, do you have Oreos?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Oh no.
Guest:And the guy takes all six Oreos, the stack of them, opens his mouth wide and shoves the whole thing in his mouth.
Guest:He lets like the crumbs sprinkled down three stories below and he gets back on the walkie talkie and he goes, not anymore.
Marc:Oh no.
Guest:And now Robo goes nuts.
Guest:Robo is legit like a Hall of Presidents robot gone berserk.
Guest:Like he's freaking out.
Guest:He's like, I want Oreo.
Guest:Robo want Oreo.
Guest:No way.
Guest:So they apparently have a production assistant go up there with new Oreos, fresh Oreos.
Guest:now he's got all makeup on you know robocop it's full costume and makeup he can't touch anything he's got these giant gloves on so this production assistant has to feed him the oreos great okay he eats the oreos he's smiling now he's all happy robo's happy he's got the oreos but now robo's got oreo all in his teeth so this production assistant has to scrape the oreos out of his teeth
Guest:Oh, no, this is the worst.
Guest:And then he said from that day on, you know, this guy's job is going to be to do that, to provide Oreos to him when we're on the set.
Guest:So they named this kid the Peter Feeder.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, and he was the guy in charge of giving robo Oreos.
Guest:So they tell this whole story in the doc and then they have a clip of Peter Weller sitting there and he goes, I haven't a clue about Randy Moore and his fucking Oreos.
Guest:Oh my God.
Guest:He is heated.
Guest:He's like, I like Randy Moore.
Guest:We've been friends, but I don't know.
Guest:He tells a lot of stories and I don't understand one goddamn word that he's saying.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So believe what you wish, either it's, you know, a tremendously exaggerated, you know, a trifle of a story, or it's a case of a method actor run amok, the likes of which we've never heard before.
Marc:I wish Peter Weiler would have been like, ah, I'm not an Oreo guy.
Marc:I'm a Thin Mints guy.
Yeah.
Guest:I know that story is bullshit because I would have asked for Chips Ahoy.
Guest:Right.
Guest:The soft ones.
Guest:The other amazing clip from RoboCop is in is again, it's not that documentary.
Guest:It's on the DVDs.
Guest:And is it when he was shot him in the dick?
Guest:No, it's not about the guy shooting.
Guest:Although I do see that it's a t-shirt now.
Guest:Oh, is it?
Guest:Yeah, I saw a guy with a t-shirt that said, remember the time Robocop shot that guy in the dick?
Guest:That's all it says.
Guest:Black t-shirt, white letters.
Guest:But no, this is a clip, a behind-the-scenes clip, and they're talking to Kurtwood Smith, you know, who plays Boddicker, and he is the dad from that 70s show, right?
Guest:But he's the badass henchman dude in Robocop.
Guest:And there's a scene.
Guest:Do you remember the scene when Miguel Ferrer is like in his glitzy mansion snorting Coke with these two ladies?
Guest:And then the doorbell rings.
Guest:He goes to answer and Boddicker comes in and puts a gun right to his head.
Guest:And he goes, bitches, leave.
Guest:And these women run out.
Guest:So Kurtwood Smith is like...
Guest:Paul Verhoeven, who made the film, is Dutch.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Cinematographer is German.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I don't believe they knew that calling women bitches was derogatory.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:Like they just thought it was general American vernacular.
Guest:Ah.
Guest:So they're blocking the scene out.
Guest:Everyone's on set.
Guest:You know, they're doing like the rehearsal before shooting.
Guest:They're getting all the blocking.
Guest:And Paul Verhoeven's like thick Dutch accent is like...
Guest:okay kurtwood so you come in and the bitches uh you say bitches leave and then the bitches will leave and we will come around to the bitches and wait actually the bitches hold on bitches and he turns to the cinematographer and he's like do we think the bitches should leave when he says bitches leave or bitches stay when he comes in he says bitches leave but the bitches stay should the bitches leave or the bitches stay
Guest:And the cinematographer is like giving a lot of thought.
Guest:He's like looking around the set and he's like,
Guest:The bitches should leave.
Guest:And he's like, okay, bitches leave.
Guest:And then they do the scene.
Guest:They shoot it.
Guest:And he's like, okay, that's a wrap on the bitches.
Guest:Clap out the bitches.
Guest:Thank you, bitches.
Guest:Thank you for coming, bitches.
Guest:Like they're sirens or something.
Guest:Kerwin Smith is like, the bitches, for their part, they didn't mind it.
Guest:They were like, okay, yeah, we'll leave.
Guest:It's fine.
Guest:What a time.
Guest:What a time.
Guest:No.
Guest:So yes, I recommend hunting out some behind-the-scenes RoboCop stuff because it is tremendous content beyond the movie itself.
Marc:Did you ever watch the sequel?
Marc:I'm sure you did.
Guest:RoboCop 2, I remember seeing it.
Guest:It was really bad and I didn't pay much mind.
Guest:I barely remember it.
Guest:Okay.
Marc:Yeah, I never watched it myself.
Marc:The first one was good enough for me.
Marc:That one was in heavy rotation.
Yeah, it was great.
Guest:I also wanted to point out, and we were already talking about the Gavin Matz episode, but I did want to mention something Mark said in the intro that popped me huge, which was at the very beginning, because I wasn't sure where he was going to go with it.
Guest:I was wondering, like a lot of times when Mark is...
Guest:triggered by some social media trolling i feel he gives the troll too much power right like he'll decide to actually address their troll concern which i'm like well that's not real like don't do that like they don't deserve that they got to you and they and and you should not treat it's you know it's like trump you shouldn't treat him like he's on an like equal playing field with human beings he's being a dick
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So these people are being dicks.
Guest:So don't give them the air.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But I loved that because I see this all the time that he'll put somebody out there like their name, you know, is on the show today or whatever.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:And somebody writes underneath it.
Guest:Who?
Guest:And I love that he was like, that's my problem.
Guest:That's my fucking problem.
Guest:And then he goes, look it up.
Guest:Fuck.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I was like, I want to do like a victory lap around my house.
Guest:I was like, what a great, great response.
Guest:That is great.
Marc:I did not like the dentist talk.
Marc:Me no like the dentist talk.
Marc:I don't enjoy ground talk.
Marc:You don't want dentists at all.
Marc:Nah.
Marc:Not my bag, man.
Marc:Just from having crowns, having a fake goddamn tooth, a flapper.
Marc:Yeah, just not my scene.
Marc:But yeah, besides that, very good intro.
Guest:Yeah, and yeah, like I thought the way we, you know, we already mentioned how that thematically was a kind of appropriate episode.
Guest:But I also thought like...
Guest:I hadn't heard from someone yet, like Gavin, on this show, who is in the age cohort he's in.
Guest:He's 30 years old.
Guest:That's on the young side of guests that we have.
Guest:We tend to have people who've been around a lot longer.
Guest:And when we've had people of his age, I do feel like a lot of them...
Guest:whether it's begrudgingly or in earnest have bought into the like content creation machine like we've had plenty of people and i look look i am not saying they're doing something wrong like they're doing what they think is right for their careers and like we've had those people on who have like told mark no no no no this is what you got to do with tiktok you just do this this and that you know like they're like they're understanding the delivery system's
Guest:in the current context and, you know, approaching it with that mentality.
Guest:I thought it was refreshing to hear someone of that age group be like, I don't want to do that shit.
Guest:And it fucking bothers me.
Guest:And it makes me feel bad for myself that like I'm in that world.
Guest:And this idea, which I think is shared by a lot of people.
Guest:I think it came up, you know, in that Bobby Althoff episode where it was like,
Guest:some of these people don't feel like they got any chance at this shit anymore at all.
Guest:So they're just going to try to make it as big as they can real fast and get out while the getting's good.
Guest:And that really connected with me, his idea of like, man, I don't know that like I can have any like dreams about this stuff anymore.
Guest:Like I think it might be gone.
Guest:And it's all like the people who get in now are like rich people.
Guest:Hmm.
Guest:And man, I think about that all the time.
Guest:That is one of the big detriments to the gutting of arts in this country.
Guest:And the downgrading of it as a thing is that, like, you think about some of the older people who have been on this show.
Guest:Somebody like Ed Asner.
Guest:ed asner was from kansas city missouri and he was you know from a working class family and he had he possessed this talent he went to new york he studied under the great acting teachers and he you know is was a lifelong actor lived into his 90s everybody knew him you knew him from television you knew him from films you knew him from voiceovers this was just like he got into it the way you would get into like
Guest:becoming a a home builder right like he he was a young guy with a talent he did not purchase entry into the the society right yeah and he was able to make it and think about that all the time when i'm watching like movies from the 70s you see these actors who are like that guy looks like a real guy like
Guest:like wow look at that guy that guy he looks like he drank you know a fifth of vodka before he came on set like this like they're just all these like real looking people and like they weren't these people who like you know were were pretending to be just like authentically salt of the earth people they were right and i think about it all the time it's like what must it cost
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:To be with no money to be able to make it right.
Guest:Like, right.
Guest:I don't think the only people who can do that are already wealthy.
Guest:And I think that's where a lot of this, like hatred of Nepo babies comes from.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It's like the opportunities are not there for other people.
Guest:And I don't think we've heard that from a comic yet.
Guest:It was, to me, it was enlightening to hear that, like, this is not in a good place.
Guest:And, like, the next phase of comedy, when this, you know, kind of aggressive bro thing, yeah, and it will.
Guest:They always cycle out, right?
Guest:The next phase, like, I really hope something comes along that is more connected to...
Guest:Young people who just want to do this and lowering the bar of entry for them.
Guest:And it's like I think about when we started this podcast, that was what was happening all over like New York City, L.A., Chicago.
Guest:I'm sure lots of other places where there were these alt comedy rooms.
Guest:That were not run by comedy clubs.
Guest:That were not even necessarily run by music venues.
Guest:Some of them were just like back rooms of comic shops.
Guest:Like, you know, the Nerdist started the Nerd Melt in the back of a comic shop.
Guest:Or at bars where they have a side room.
Guest:You go do a comedy show there.
Guest:A lot of the people, a lot, a lot, a lot of the people who were like getting popular when we started this show...
Guest:That's how they got their starts.
Guest:And I just don't see that anymore.
Guest:And it's it needs to happen again like that.
Guest:That needs to happen for comedy to continue to flourish.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And, you know, it was kind of kind of heartening to hear Gavin talk about like, look, I just want to do a thing that, you know, I don't see on television anymore.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I want to do a sitcom.
Marc:And Mark's like, what's a sitcom anymore?
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:You know, just like want to do a thing.
Marc:And like, I also love that, man, Gavin's grandparents had the most Canadian jobs ever.
Marc:It's like, oh, what were they?
Marc:They were fishermen.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I love the idea of Mark being a fisherman.
Marc:Like, what was that?
Marc:The deadliest catch?
Marc:The big tuna guys.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I could just imagine an SNL skit of him being like, what the fuck?
Guest:What the fuck?
Guest:Oh, it's fish.
Guest:It's hit me in the fucking head.
Guest:There's fucking crabs all the time.
Guest:Crabs, crabs, crabs.
Guest:Bringing up those nets.
Guest:No fucking crabs.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:i like if he were if if mark were more mercenary i think you could easily pitch a show of him like like the dirty jobs guy 100 but with mark yeah yeah so just this you're making crayons eight hours a day that's it
Marc:That's the whole thing.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Fine.
Marc:I guess.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We used to do those kinds of things with him back in the early days.
Guest:Like when he would be somewhere, like, you know, go, I think I've put them up as like bonus episodes, like the record factory.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Or like,
Guest:you know, have him walk around some festival in San Antonio or things like that.
Guest:You know, like he's good at that.
Guest:He can do it.
Guest:He, you know, I remember him saying it when we first started working together and we were trying to do things like, you know, for like the Marc Maron show or things like that.
Guest:He's like, I can do guy with a mic.
Guest:Like if you want to use me for that, I can do that.
Guest:Like he doesn't have, he didn't have a resistance to it.
Guest:So like he can do like the walk around, be the guy with the mic kind of thing.
Guest:yeah yeah did did he and conan ever do like that sort of thing like on the road oh no no i mean like they've the the extent of mark's um interaction with conan is you know what you saw on late night it's just like mark as a panel guest on conan but like no they're not like they're not closer or or professional collaborators you know that's too bad i feel like they would they they would have really good energy together
Guest:Well, they do.
Guest:But to the extent that you've seen it, like their dynamic is what it is like on that show.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like Mark is like the crazy guy who like would drive everything into a ditch and Conan would be the guy being like, oh, no, we're in a ditch.
Guest:And then like, you know, Mark has to spend the segment getting them out.
Marc:Gotcha, gotcha.
Marc:Also, Mark's hair caught on fire once, huh?
Marc:Yes, I did not know about that one.
Marc:Yeah, that's wild.
Marc:I never heard that story.
Marc:That must have been a hell of a set to recover from.
Marc:That's wild.
Guest:Yeah, well, also, that sucks for weeks because you just smell it.
Guest:You can't get away from your own head.
Marc:Yeah, guys, I don't have those problems.
Marc:But my hair is very, not going to catch on fire anytime soon.
Guest:If it did, you'd be in deep shit.
Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:We're talking about secondary burns.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You'd be like Joe Pesci in Home Alone.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:100% Joe Pescianova.
Guest:There's no ski mask on top.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, if you out there heard anything from the show this week that you wanted to contribute or send in or have us read, the link is in the episode description.
Guest:You can click on that, send us your comments, send us your questions.
Guest:And because of that, I have amassed quite a few things from previous shows that we've been doing over the weeks.
Guest:uh, some things that have come in your reactions.
Guest:Uh, for instance, we, uh, did an episode on movies, uh, that are one and done.
Guest:And also, uh, people brought up movies that happen over the course of one night.
Guest:And, uh, we've got a few more stray suggestions, uh,
Guest:Someone unnamed wrote in my dinner with Andre, which is like that's it.
Guest:That's its own subcategory of film, which is movies in real time.
Guest:So it's like not only does it take place in one night, but it takes place over 90 minutes.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:Without without any additions.
Guest:So that's interesting.
Guest:I would have to go back and think about that.
Guest:Like, what are other movies?
Guest:I know there's ones that are gimmicks.
Guest:Like there's that one that's called Nick of Time.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:Isn't that Nick Nolte?
Guest:No, it's... Is it Nick Nolte?
Guest:I think it's just Nick in the title.
Guest:I don't think it's Nick Nolte.
Guest:I think it's Christopher Walken is the bad guy.
Guest:Yeah, you might be right.
Guest:But it's Johnny Depp is the good guy.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
Guest:I love that you just are like, Nick Nolte's in that, right?
Yeah.
Guest:he's the titular dick you know uh but that was yeah that like predated 24 that was like the first like oh every second you'll see like that was how they marketed it i wasn't phone booth one of those or maybe not huh that's very likely phone booth is very likely um i'm trying to remember if there's like
Guest:flashbacks or something but i think you're right i think that's a real-time movie uh which so is panic room is it i think so yeah i guess so yeah unless there's a part where they're asleep i don't think so where they go like i know they go to bed and then the camera like floats through the house right and it goes outside so you see the guys breaking in i think it's real time i don't think they they cut
Guest:But somebody else could tell us whether that happens or not.
Guest:Alan brought up, he said, one night movie, I think, Glen Gary, Glen Ross, you're mistaken, Alan, because the first act takes place in one night.
Guest:That is true.
Guest:But the repercussions of the robbery all happen the next day.
Guest:And that is in the daytime.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That is both the play and the movie are structured that way.
Guest:And Rick said, I agree with Chris about judgment night.
Guest:But I also feel that free fire airplane and the strangers are good.
Guest:One night movies free fire.
Guest:I didn't know what it was.
Guest:never heard of that looks like it's a british action movie and it's directed by this guy ben wheatley oh my god this guy made one of the most brutal movies ever i i am hesitant to even bring it up because like then someone will watch it and curse me for recommending it it's called kill list it's
Guest:Really quite spectacularly done, but tremendously disturbing.
Guest:A very, very disturbing movie.
Guest:It is, without spoiling it too hard, I would say it is like a hardcore hitman movie mixed with Midsommar.
Marc:Oh, interesting.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I was not expecting those two things to come out of your mouth.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Really disturbing movie.
Guest:So I've never seen Free Fire, but I imagine if it's one of his, it leaves an impression.
Guest:But Airplane, yes.
Guest:Airplane takes place in one night.
Guest:And I have not seen The Strangers, but I know the plot and I'm sure the one night thing applies there.
Guest:I think
Guest:Now that I'm thinking about it, it does for funny games as well, which is basically the closest thing I can think of to The Strangers.
Guest:We had our other section where we talked about one and done movies, movies you'll watch once and never again.
Guest:DA wrote in to say, the movie I will never watch again is March of the Penguins.
Guest:I saw it in the theater when it came out, started crying at about 30 minutes in and sobbed until the end.
Guest:One of my friends had described it as cute.
Guest:It was a fucking penguin Holocaust.
Guest:That's true.
Guest:And I don't know.
Guest:Have you ever.
Marc:had a movie like that where like you have a reaction that's totally different from everyone else be it either like sorrowful or terrified or anything like that i remember loving uh requiem for a dream and people were like really that was a hardcore sad movie i was like i don't know i just felt i connected with it i connected with the mom character like she reminds me of my mom
Marc:And honestly, throughout time, it's kind of been like, oh yeah, I can see the seeds of Donald Trump in the mom character from Requiem for a Dream.
Marc:Like Donald Trump fans.
Marc:Yes, Donald Trump fans are the mom from Requiem for a Dream.
Marc:And so I still kind of have a place in my heart for Requiem for a Dream.
Marc:A movie I've watched probably 20 times, which sounds insane, because it is crazy.
Guest:Yeah, it specifically sounds insane to Corey, who wrote in and said,
Guest:I have watched it once and plan to watch it again soon, even though I fully understand why many people are one and done with Requiem for a dream.
Guest:It's very intense and continues to ratchet it up throughout.
Guest:But Ellen Burstyn gives one of the best performances I've ever seen.
Guest:I saw it in the theater and bought the Blu-ray, but never opened it.
Guest:Oh, shit.
Guest:I just rectified that and I'm going to watch it first thing tomorrow.
Guest:So, Corey, let us know how that went, if it still landed with you.
Guest:And maybe you're like Chris.
Guest:Maybe you've now watched it multiple more times.
Guest:Yeah, that's excellent.
Marc:And, you know, last time we talked about this, a listener brought up Usual Suspects for a one and done.
Marc:And I got to say, Usual Suspects is one of those movies that once you see the trick, you then want to watch it again to kind of pick up on all the clues that you missed.
Marc:I wouldn't necessarily say it's one and done.
Marc:It's like, oh, I kind of want... It's like the prestige, you know?
Guest:I also, you know...
Guest:i knew what the ending of that was going to be i i i did i i just was i mean i didn't know it was going to be the way it unfolds where he you know has been making everything up based on the the the stuff in the room the stuff that's in the room right i i just was while i was watching it i'm like this cripple guy is kaiser soze isn't he like this this is
Guest:Like it just, it was like at that age, I was like really, it was like where I was first kind of really keyed into and paying attention to like the mechanisms and, and, and formats.
Guest:And why is this character exist?
Guest:If there's no other purpose for me, you know, like what's the economy here of this character?
Guest:And, you know, I just like, was like, okay, all the things pointing to this direction, it's gotta be this guy.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Oh, interesting.
Guest:And, um,
Guest:And I knew that when the detective thinks he figured it out and he thinks it was Gabriel Byrne, I was like, this is a fake out.
Guest:It's totally not him.
Marc:You're the little kid when the magician is at your birthday party.
Marc:Like my cousin Vinny?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:He kept telling everybody, oh no, he's pulling it out of there.
Guest:I was the same way with The Sixth Sense.
Guest:I was so bummed that I had figured out The Sixth Sense within like 10 minutes.
Guest:Oh, I bet.
Guest:That I was like, because, you know, I had heard, I had not heard any details about the movie, but I had heard like, as everyone, because it became part of the marketing, if you didn't see it the first weekend,
Guest:there's this amazing twist.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So, you know, I went in with my guard up.
Guest:What's this twist going to be?
Guest:And as soon as he got shot in the first, what, five minutes of the movie.
Guest:And then the next thing you see is like, he's just all by his lonesome and like talking to the kid.
Guest:And then he goes to dinner to meet his wife and she doesn't talk to him.
Guest:And I was like, are you fucking kidding me?
Guest:This guy's dead.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then, so I was, I was like, I, I don't want that to be the ending of this.
Guest:I don't want that to be a twist.
Guest:Please make it be something else.
Guest:And so there's a scene, a couple, couple scenes later, the kid comes home, he opens the door.
Guest:And his mom is sitting there in a chair and she's sitting right next to Bruce Willis.
Guest:He's in another chair.
Guest:And I was like, oh, all right.
Guest:Thank God he's there.
Guest:He's talking to the mom.
Guest:I was wrong.
Guest:I have not spoiled this movie for myself.
Guest:And sure enough, this scene plays out and this kid is talking to the mom and the mom never fucking once looks in Bruce Willis's direction.
Guest:And I was like...
Guest:No!
Guest:It's not this!
Guest:It can't be this!
Guest:What a circus is happening in your head during this movie.
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:The gates had been unlocked.
Guest:The animals are going crazy.
Guest:We had a stampede going on in that circus.
Guest:It was like a Dumbo when the elephant is destroying the tent.
Guest:But I was going to bring up about the usual suspects because of that.
Guest:And I feel similarly with The Sixth Sense.
Guest:When you're not remembering some great shock, some trick, if that's not part of your experience and it wasn't for either of those movies for me, I feel they're easier to return to.
Guest:So, like, I returned to Usual Suspects a lot as, you know, when it was on, you know, VHS.
Guest:I'd watch it a bunch.
Guest:I'd show up on cable.
Guest:I'd watch it.
Guest:And I enjoyed it more as, like, a Hangout movie.
Guest:Like, these criminals are kind of fun.
Guest:You know, you're enjoying their, like, banter with each other.
Guest:It was kind of like Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Obviously it had come out in the wake of those movies.
Guest:So you had that in your head.
Guest:I think the ones that really get one and done for people.
Guest:And like, for me, I brought up the movie, the game, like I didn't see that coming.
Guest:And when it happened, I was like, wow, that was good.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Don't want to do that again.
Guest:You know?
Marc:Yeah, totally.
Marc:I will say when I saw usual suspects and I saw the twist and then I rewatch it, I'm like, man, this guy's great at improv.
Marc:He's just up there.
Marc:He, yes.
Marc:And everything.
Guest:just like the best improv actor ever he can do it with a coffee mug geez uh we had some people write in about the uh no bad entries that we had talked about i brought this up when we were talking about mad max and we we mentioned the uh the dark knight christopher nolan batman series uh ben b has a great one
Guest:He said, submission for movie series with no bad entries.
Guest:The Trip series with Steve Coogan and Rob Brydon.
Guest:And there are four of them and they are all high quality.
Guest:And that is absolutely true.
Guest:I mean, I guess your mileage may vary on whether those are movies or they're just kind of like improv standup specials, but they're movies, you know, like...
Guest:These are they have structure.
Guest:They have plot.
Guest:It's not much of one, but they have them.
Guest:It is largely, though, just enjoying these two guys and you get to do it four times.
Guest:It is a hell of a lot of fun.
Guest:I've enjoyed all the trip movies.
Guest:So that is absolutely a good one, Ben.
Guest:Julian brought this up and I wonder if it's disqualified just on the basis of Julian's explanation.
Guest:Uh, my mind has repeatedly turned to the Jason Bourne movies, specifically the original trilogy.
Guest:See, there's where your problem is.
Guest:But okay.
Guest:He says, you know, Bourne identity, supremacy and ultimatum, uh, is very solid series.
Guest:Granted the overall score is brought down by the Bourne legacy and the simply titled Jason Bourne that came out years later.
Guest:But even those, I remember being all right, not incredible, but not awful either.
Uh,
Guest:So I do think, you know, okay, we're now into that category of you're like separating trilogies, which you could do with star Wars.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But he mentions this additionally though, those films switched directors from Doug Lyman to Paul Greengrass, but they are united by the writing of the great Tony Gilroy writer and director of Michael Clayton and, uh, and the showrunner and writer of the Andor series, which I look forward to season two coming out.
Guest:Uh,
Guest:And as Julian points out, it gives them a through line of authorship that is like but not identical to George Miller on the Mad Max series or Christopher Nolan on the Dark Knight trilogy.
Guest:I think that that's a kind of a better category for the Bourne movies to fall into.
Guest:It's like if you did a if you did a list of franchises that have one person's kind of authorial voice and they're limited to
Guest:You know, because like we were just talking before we went on the mics about like Superman.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because, you know, we're like, oh, blank check.
Guest:They're going to do Superman movies.
Guest:But it's like they're going to do all the movies.
Guest:There's not like one director.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, I don't know.
Guest:Is there one director who's done more than one Superman movie?
Guest:I mean, you had Richard Donner tried to do two.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And he was stopped halfway through.
Guest:So I don't even know that there is.
Guest:No, I don't think there is.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So it's like it is probably pretty tricky to find like one unique author's voice going through a film franchise.
Guest:Yeah, that's true.
Guest:I'll give it some more thought.
Guest:Anybody else out there who has some ideas, send them in.
Marc:Yeah, I personally think it's, you know, that's great.
Marc:But also I still love the Mission Impossible franchise having all different directors like have their turn at the at the table.
Guest:Well, but do they?
Guest:Didn't once you get into the fifth movie, it's all the same guy?
Guest:It's Chris McQuarrie?
Marc:Yeah, McQuarrie's been doing, like, I think the last three, including this last one.
Marc:But besides that, it's been, you know, De Palma and then...
Marc:Right.
Guest:Well, the first three were like definitely like each guy got their own like style.
Guest:Like the De Palma one is very De Palma.
Guest:The John Woo one is very John Woo.
Guest:And then the third one, which is like a TV movie.
Guest:Oh, because the TV guy made it.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But Brad Bird does one.
Guest:Brad Bird is where it shifts into the kind of new phase.
Guest:Here's what I would say about that.
Guest:Starting with that movie, number four, Ghost Protocol.
Mm hmm.
Guest:And then yes, obviously Christopher McQuarrie is the director of the several of the later ones, but I don't think Brad Bird or Chris McQuarrie are the authors of those films.
Guest:It's Tom Cruise, right?
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That is, that is our friend, Matt Singer.
Guest:He, he has a term for this that I don't want to butcher, but like, it's like auteurs who are actors.
Guest:So it's like actors.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:you know, like, and he, he defines a lot of people as this, like Arnold Schwarzenegger is an actor in that.
Guest:Like he, if you look at Arnold's oeuvre, like he had different directors for virtually everything he did, or then every now and then he'd repeat one like James Cameron or John McTiernan, but they were all Arnold movies.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And I think that's what Cruz wound up doing deliberately with mission impossible was he was like, no, this is mine now.
Guest:Right.
Marc:I make this the way I want it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:And with that in mind, then I think that the Mission Impossible franchise is like up there.
Marc:And yeah.
Marc:Have you seen the trailer for this last one?
Marc:Of course.
Marc:It looks fucking great.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Goddamn.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Those are guaranteed to deliver.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:One comment came in here about the new holidays we suggested.
Guest:And this made me very sad.
Guest:That we missed it?
Guest:Yes.
Guest:I can't believe we did.
Guest:So this was from Ryan in Iowa.
Guest:First, he said, where I work, we get our birthday as a paid holiday.
Guest:Even when it falls on a weekend, we can defer it to a work day.
Guest:That rules.
Guest:I still can't believe it every year when it comes around.
Guest:That is really great.
Guest:But then he said, and this is when my heart sunk.
Guest:Also, Leap Day, because come on.
Marc:And how did we forget that?
Marc:Erin busted my balls about it.
Marc:Oh, did she?
Marc:Yeah, because she wants to do a big Leap Day party every Leap Day.
Marc:And she's like, how'd you miss that, you idiot?
Guest:How did we, fans of 30 Rock, and one of the great episodes they had ever done.
Guest:Of all time.
Guest:Leap Dave Williams.
Guest:That joke.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:If you've never watched 30 Rock, there is an episode that is about Leap Day and Kenneth the Page.
Guest:Actually, it's not just Kenneth, right?
Guest:No, it's a lot of people.
Guest:The universe of 30 Rock.
Marc:Yes, except for Liz.
Marc:Liz is the only one that doesn't know it.
Guest:The universe of 30 Rock believes in Leap Day as a holiday that's as important as Christmas or Easter.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:There's a USA TV movie about Leap Day.
Guest:It has its own mascot like Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.
Guest:And that is Leap Day William.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:And Leap Day William is in a blue top and tails tuxedo.
Guest:He comes from the sea.
Guest:He has gills and sharp teeth.
Guest:And I forget what he leaves for you.
Guest:Sardines or something?
Guest:Fish?
Guest:No.
Marc:Isn't it candy?
Marc:Or do the children cry and he gives them candy?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yes, yes.
Guest:He makes you cry to get candy.
Guest:You have to cry to get candy.
Guest:If that's not demented and amazing enough, then there is a movie made about this that is like in the style of Bruce Almighty, right?
Guest:Where he becomes God.
Guest:But instead, it is Jim Carrey, the Jim Carrey, playing Leap Dave Williams.
Guest:Like, I can't
Guest:even imagine the brain that came up with that.
Guest:Like, because it is so perfectly terrible to call it leap.
Guest:Dave Williams, this guy, his name is Dave Williams.
Guest:And in the story, he gets turned into leap day William.
Guest:So he is leap.
Guest:Dave Williams.
Guest:I,
Guest:I fucking, I die every time I even think about it.
Guest:I could be just hanging out and I think about Leap Dave Williams and I want to fucking die of laughter.
Marc:Andy McDowell is like the wife.
Marc:I just, it's perfect.
Guest:You couldn't make a more perfect thing and I cannot believe we forgot it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Next Leap Day, by the way, I'm having a party.
Marc:Yeah, and I'll go with Leap Dave Williams.
Marc:Yes, 100%.
Guest:OK, this a couple of stray odds and ends here.
Guest:Ramon wrote back into us because we said something the last time Ramon wrote to us.
Guest:He talked about Halloween costumes of like Stone Cold Steve Austin.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:The Hitman Hart.
Guest:And you said, what the fuck are we doing here, Ramon?
Guest:Why didn't you go for Halloween as Razor Ramon?
Guest:And?
Guest:Ramon wrote in to say, I was Razor Ramon for Halloween one year.
Guest:I got a curly wig, which I later repurposed to be John Oates, and a replica intercontinental belt, some fake gold chains, a vest, and elbow pads, as well as a box of toothpicks to throw at people.
Guest:Hell yeah.
Guest:Uh, if there's an email connected to the show, I would gladly, gladly send a pic.
Guest:I mean, send it to the WTF email.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:Uh, it's a WTF pod at gmail.com.
Guest:Uh, we would love to see that Ramon.
Marc:I love people who don't know razor Ramon being like, wait, he, so razor Ramon would just throw boxes of toothpicks.
Guest:Like leap day, William.
Guest:It's like, Oh, the kids want toothpicks.
Guest:Let's throw them.
Guest:Bart Rene said, your recommendations for lesser known Gene Hackman movies got me thinking about No Way Out, a great little thriller with lots of twists and turns.
Guest:And you know what's funny about that, Bart Rene?
Guest:I was not allowed to see No Way Out when I was younger.
Guest:My parents were like, nope, that's an adult film.
Guest:You can't see that.
Marc:It looks sexy.
Marc:I'm looking at the DVD cover.
Guest:Yes, it's Sean Young and Kevin Costner.
Guest:And I...
Guest:always had that in my head i was like whoa that must be like you know it's like nine and a half weeks or some shit like you know i remember when i was like older and i finally watched no way out i was like what the fuck was their problem like i saw much worse than this in lots of things that i watched with them
Marc:What was it?
Marc:Was it the Soviet?
Guest:It was like a sexual scene in the back of a limo that kind of, maybe it's because it like opens the movie.
Guest:And, you know, but it wasn't like anything crazy.
Guest:Like, I still, I should call my parents.
Guest:Why did you not let me watch No Way Out?
Guest:Please let us know.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And Adam wanted to know, this is interesting because I never even give this a moment's thought, but it made me pause for a second and think of how other people must hear it when we talk about the movies we go to see or the things we wind up taking in.
Guest:Adam says, where do you find your indie films and how do you pick them?
Guest:What do you look for in them?
Guest:Hmm.
Guest:And that's interesting because I do forget that when you're not in like a city, like we are, it's very, it's very likely that like small films, independent films never come to your area.
Guest:Just never.
Guest:And then you're, you know, relying on, you know, the algorithm to feed you something.
Guest:Right.
Yeah.
Guest:And so I would say for me, it's that like, I just wind up seeing like what's at the theater, right?
Guest:But if you're in a position where you don't get to do that, and Chris will back me up on this, subscribe to the Criterion channel.
Guest:100%.
Guest:Because you're just talking about decades and decades of basically film school there for you to watch.
Guest:And then they put new stuff in as well.
Guest:They'll put stuff that's in theaters now, independent films.
Guest:So I don't know.
Guest:I think it's 120 bucks a year.
Guest:It's well worth it.
Guest:Definitely.
Guest:That would be my recommendation to people that are unlike me.
Guest:Like I have a movie theater 10 minutes walking distance away from me that shows all manner of independent film.
Guest:So that's not a problem for me.
Guest:If that's a problem for you, you don't have that.
Guest:Criterion channel is the way to go.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I think it's a hundred bucks.
Marc:I think I just saw the renewal, uh, pop up.
Marc:So a hundred bucks.
Marc:And I just love their collections.
Marc:And like, I, I, it's, it's funny how little strolling I do, or, you know, what's the word, uh, where you just kind of sift through the tiles of, you don't have to, something pops right up.
Marc:You're like, that's it.
Marc:I'll watch that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And it's wild how often I'm on the Criterion channel and just watching a thing.
Marc:It is really fun.
Marc:I highly enjoy it and highly recommend it.
Guest:I did want to give a shout out to Mary Catherine and Mike, two people who wrote in with some very nice personal comments, these lengthy comments about the show and what it means to them.
Guest:And I just wanted you both to know that those didn't go unnoticed.
Guest:And we really appreciate that, that it means so much to you.
Guest:And I did want to bring up to Mike who identified that he is from Gilderland, New York.
Guest:You know, Chris, I have spent more time in Gilderland, New York than any other place that I haven't lived in.
Marc:Tell me more.
Marc:Why?
Guest:Gilderland, New York is just outside of Albany.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And it is the site of the Crossgates Mall.
Guest:And so basically when I was not in school, I was at the Crossgates Mall in Gilderland, New York.
Guest:So Mike, it's very possible we have rubbed shoulders at some point in life.
Guest:I don't know that I'll ever go back to Gilderland, New York to the Crossgates Mall.
Guest:But if I ever am, I will think of you fondly while I am there.
Guest:I also appreciate everyone's kind words on the, uh, Andy Kaufman episode that got a lot of feedback about that and just people really appreciating the bonus episode that we did.
Guest:And, uh, and, and I, I, I agree.
Guest:I liked that episode a whole lot.
Guest:Uh, Chris, this unnamed, uh, person wrote in to say my takeaway from the full Marin of late was the expression.
Guest:The juice is not worth the squeeze.
Guest:So thank you, Chris.
Guest:Uh, yes.
Guest:Pocket that one.
Guest:Use that whenever you want.
Guest:Excellent.
Guest:Yeah, that's a goodie.
Guest:And we can end on this.
Guest:Ava wrote in to say, what a delight to listen to Chris in the Rothko Chapel enjoying art made me very happy.
Guest:And yeah, I think I think that has been a very nice discovery for everyone, yourself included, Chris.
Marc:Yeah, I honestly, when I walked in there, I thought it was a bit, I thought it was like a Nathan Fielder, like experiment.
Marc:And it's just great.
Marc:I'm glad someone enjoyed it.
Marc:Honestly, just one person enjoyed hearing me take that in.
Marc:That's awesome.
Marc:So thank you.
Guest:Well, thank you, everyone, for your comments, suggestions, topics, everything you have to supply for us here on The Full Marin.
Guest:You subscribe to the show so it should be dictated by your desires as much as anything.
Guest:Keep doing that.
Guest:We keep the link in the episode description of every episode.
Guest:And so just go to that, click on it, send us what you want, and we'll do future episodes like this.
Guest:We'll do episodes that pertain to any one thing you might send in.
Guest:It might spark some thought, and we'll do a whole episode around that topic.
Guest:And so until the next time you hear from us, I am Brendan and that is Chris.
Peace.