BONUS The Friday Show - Salesmen of the Year
Guest:you shouldn't take a lot of positives away from this show like there's there's that movie uh boiler room where the guys are actually legit like telling each other like haven't you ever seen glengarry glen ross you got to do it like this like yeah that should be a hint with those scumbags are using the movie as a template like don't do that don't be like them
Guest:Hey, Chris.
Guest:Hey, buddy.
Guest:How's it going?
Guest:It's going well.
Guest:Listen, I have to do like an APB at the top here, all hands on deck for everyone listening.
Guest:What do you got?
Guest:I kind of always have prided myself on the fact that I, you know, I pretty much have total recall of all the WTF episodes.
Guest:Like you bring something up to me.
Guest:I'm like, oh yeah, I know what that is.
Guest:Sometimes I know it to the number of the episode.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:So a person reached out to me and had a request for an episode.
Guest:And it was kind of, you know, for a very specific personal reason.
Guest:So I wanted to make sure I found this for the person.
Guest:And they were looking for an episode that they had heard that is going to be very meaningful to them.
Guest:They wanted to re-listen to it.
Guest:And it was because they had heard this within the last year.
Guest:That was what they said.
Guest:They said they heard it within the last year.
Guest:And that it was a guest who said that they were born after their parents lost their first kid to cancer.
Guest:And so they grew up never knowing this sibling.
Guest:But it's like, do you have siblings?
Guest:And it's like, well...
Guest:that's a tricky question right so this rang such a bell and i was like yeah what who was that and i cannot find it so i asked mark and he had the same reaction he was like oh
Guest:It's right there.
Guest:Like, he's like, I remember it being said to me.
Guest:And he's like, and I remember it feeling emotional.
Guest:And he's like, I can't place who it was.
Guest:And I asked you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And you went and like did some way above and beyond the call.
Guest:You went and like did transcript searches for like over a year's worth of episodes, like two years worth of episodes.
Guest:And I don't know, what were you searching?
Guest:Just cancer or something like that?
Guest:cancer sibling parents and i could not find a combination of those well see because i was doing the same thing for a little bit and then i gave up because i was like wait who knows how this was phrased right did the person say you know leukemia did they say did they actually identify you know it's like you're going off of memory and that's the interesting thing the person who told me this
Guest:they couldn't actually even identify exactly when they thought they heard it.
Guest:They thought they heard it after like August of last year, but then their spouse was like, no, no, it was before that we were listening to it together.
Guest:So it's like, memory is weird, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I am, I am at a loss.
Guest:So listen,
Guest:For all of you, you Full Marin listeners are my only hope here because you're the tapped in ones.
Guest:You listen to this all the time.
Guest:You're the ones who are big fans.
Guest:So just, you know, if you have a memory of this or you maybe you know exactly what it is and you're yelling at me right now.
Guest:You go to the episode description, click on that link, whether you've ever sent us a comment or not, make this the one.
Guest:I desperately need to know what this is.
Guest:And it's like, I'd like to know it to help this person out because I think it's important to them that they want to re-listen to this episode.
Guest:But now I'm like upset about it for myself.
Guest:I'm like, oh no, my brain, what's happening?
Marc:Well, you know, it's funny when I was searching myself, like I would go to an episode and I'd be like, oh, okay, maybe Don Johnson.
Marc:And I would like sort of port on this story to everyone.
Marc:Like, oh, Molly Ringwald.
Marc:That could be a Molly Ringwald thing.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:I was doing the same thing.
Guest:I'm like, Connie Chung, she might've said this.
Marc:Totally.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So yeah, I cannot wait to get the answer.
Guest:But then you find out Connie Chung did say something like that, but it wasn't about that.
Guest:It was about that she found out that she had a sibling who was aborted.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Guest:So that was why I was also all getting all tied up in my brain.
Marc:You were all crossed up.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I couldn't work the body.
Yeah.
Marc:By the way, can I just ask, you, on the bonus episode this week, you had your producer cuts.
Marc:Lovely.
Marc:Great job.
Marc:But when you talk to the audience, they are the full Marin listeners, not what the fuckers or the fucking ears.
Marc:You never say that.
Marc:Is that because it's not your bit?
Guest:Yeah, well, that's not my thing.
Guest:I mean, that's, yeah, I'm not going to hack Mark's thing.
Marc:But I mean, it's your, you know, you guys are partners.
Marc:It's like,
Guest:I get it, but it's still, it's not my thing.
Guest:If you go back and listen to, uh, and you full Marin listeners can do this.
Guest:Cause you have the, the, the, the, the stuff that's early on behind the paywall, uh, episode 200, which is the one that, uh, that Mike Birbiglia did where he asked Mark the questions and like, he sat in Mark's chair.
Guest:Mark sat in the guest chair and, uh,
Guest:It's the only time, literally the only time someone else has opened up the show.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And it's just for Biggs in his like, you know, voice, you know, he's got like almost like, you know, intentional monotone.
Guest:And he's like, Hey, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fucking ears.
Guest:And every time he does it, you hear Mark, he's just off the mic in the other chair and he's going, eh.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's so rankling him by rubbing him the wrong way.
Marc:My words coming out of your mouth just don't work.
Guest:Oh, especially that guy.
Guest:Like all the people to do it.
Guest:Like...
Guest:It's like, we're going to fuck my wife next?
Guest:What are you going to do?
Guest:Like, how's this going to go?
Marc:Totally.
Marc:So another thing is Sarah Silverman was on two weeks ago.
Marc:And, you know, Mark was recounting all the previous times that Sarah was on.
Marc:And it sounded like he was going to say that, yes, Sarah came in.
Marc:And I thought he was going to say, and we locked the gates again.
Marc:And
Marc:I know that is a turn of phrase for the online community.
Marc:It's like, oh, look, so-and-so is here.
Marc:They lock the gates.
Marc:Internally, do you guys ever refer to it as locking the gates?
Guest:No, never.
Guest:And frankly, I think it's probably something that's not even in Mark's head as a thing that's associated with the show because he doesn't listen to it.
Marc:Right.
Guest:So it's not like a thing he says at the beginning of an episode.
Guest:It is said for him.
Guest:It's said as part of the Sonic logo of the show.
Guest:So he doesn't know that that's the thing.
Marc:But he did know that you no longer use Nick Kroll's.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:That was a long time ago.
Guest:That's like, yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:hundreds and hundreds of episodes ago, we stopped using that.
Guest:I think like, I think it was like somewhere around like episode 300.
Guest:I was like, all right, this has to go.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Good.
Guest:It was just, you know, it was one of those things we talk about this a lot, how, you know, we started the show with a radio mindset, you know, like the, the idea was that,
Guest:that we were going to apply everything we did on the radio to this medium because we were like, well, this is, we'll just do the thing we know how to do and that we're good at, but we'll do it in this space where we have total freedom.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And, you know, I, I did think for a while, like,
Guest:One of the things that we have as an advantage was we'll have better production.
Guest:The thing will sound more like a radio show, even though it's this thing that's in somebody's garage.
Guest:And part of the allure of it is that it almost seems like a mistake.
Guest:Like, oh, are we supposed to hear that?
Guest:These people are just talking in the garage.
Guest:Like, that was the hook of the show.
Guest:But...
Guest:I also knew kind of like subconsciously for people listening, they would stick with it if it was professional seeming, right?
Guest:If it had a higher standard to it.
Guest:And so, you know, I built that radio thing at the beginning.
Guest:It's actually, there's several versions of it.
Guest:If you go all the way back,
Guest:Um, there was one, you know, it was when we were using the down payment blues, uh, the ACDC song as the intro.
Guest:And I got a guy we used to work with Colin.
Guest:Remember Colin?
Guest:Yeah, sure.
Guest:I got him to voice like some with Mark Maron.
Guest:It was that, I mean, his voice was that, but he did more.
Guest:He was like, he was like outlining the show to the, as part of the intro.
Guest:Like he was like asking the questions that everyone wants to know, like that kind of thing.
Guest:You know, it was like, it was tongue in cheek.
Guest:It was like supposed to be like almost a parody of how a radio show would open.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But I also, I was applying like what I knew from other podcasts at the time.
Guest:Simmons had that.
Guest:If you remember for a while, there was like some like,
Guest:you know, guy talking at the beginning of his thing.
Guest:And he was like, he must be a popular dude.
Guest:This Bill Simmons.
Guest:Like it was like these little sound bites, like put into the intro of the show.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's very Howard Stern esque and like radio, classic radio.
Guest:I mean, that's why it was like the, you know, late two thousands, like everybody, nobody, nobody had an idea yet of like, what is it?
Guest:What's this going to sound like as a podcast?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It's so funny.
Guest:There's a show we listened to as a family called 20,000 Hertz.
Guest:It's like one of these things we do while we're driving.
Guest:It's a really great podcast about sound.
Guest:It's like the guy who runs it is a, is a, is a sound producer, sound engineer and sound designer.
Guest:And he has, you know, he has a production studio and,
Guest:I assume that most of his livelihood is made through doing production.
Guest:But so he makes this podcast that's all about sound.
Guest:And my kid loves it.
Guest:And it's a good show to listen to as a family.
Guest:And they just did an episode about another podcast called Switched on Pop.
Guest:And it was about this show trying to create a new theme song and Sonic logo.
Guest:Oh, interesting.
Guest:And it was like, because basically they started, when they started the show, they did it like everybody does.
Guest:They're just like, okay, we're going to start up a podcast.
Guest:Let's make this thing.
Guest:And the guy like made the track on GarageBand for himself.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:And-
Guest:Like it shows, I think it's owned by Vox and it's, you know, it has a following clearly.
Guest:And it's been on for a while, 10 years or 10 years plus.
Guest:And he said he hears all the time from people that are like, what is up with your theme music?
Guest:Like, why is it so rinky dink?
Guest:Like you guys are a professional show.
Guest:You got to get like professional theme music.
Guest:And then he had other advice from people that was like...
Guest:don't change it too much.
Guest:Like people have become, you know, they identify your show with a certain thing.
Guest:So it's like this, you had to strike this weird balance of like, how do you make it better, but not totally different.
Guest:Cause you make it totally different.
Guest:You alienate people.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That's something we've had to, you know, ride out this whole time where it's like, yeah,
Guest:There's things that if we changed it today, we'd lose audience.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You know, like you just, you'd have people that are like, yeah, I kind of lost interest once they stopped doing, you know, lock the gates.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And you wouldn't, maybe they wouldn't even say that, but that would be the reason.
Guest:They just like, eh, it's not the same.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, I'm glad you have not changed Lock the Gates because I do enjoy it.
Marc:And I do love seeing it pop up that, oh, look, Nick Kroll, lock the gates.
Marc:And just know that that's shorthand out there.
Marc:Yeah, exactly.
Marc:But I do need to go to the very end of the Thursday episode and ask you a question for the full Marin listeners, as you say.
Marc:Mark has an important announcement at the beginning of the Monday episode.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Do tell.
Marc:Can you give us some hints or tell us?
Guest:Are you fucking crazy?
Guest:Why would I do that?
Guest:I mean, it's a Monday announcement.
Guest:It's not the Friday announcement.
Guest:It's Mark's announcement.
Guest:It's not mine.
Marc:I'm very curious.
Marc:I feel like important announcements, they can be only of two things at this day and age.
Marc:So I'm bracing for the possibilities.
Guest:Well, I will tell you, this is not a put on if anybody's listening and thinks like I'm just being coy with Chris or Chris is like putting on an act.
Guest:Chris, you don't know.
Marc:I know two things, Jack and shit and Jack left town.
Guest:Yeah, no, I mean, I've made sure you don't know because I didn't want anything coming out on this show.
Guest:I wanted to have any risk of that.
Guest:But yeah, please do tune in because it's a good show in general.
Guest:You've got a great John Mulaney interview and Mark's got some stuff to say.
Guest:So that's your Monday to look forward to.
Marc:I can't wait.
Marc:I can't wait.
Marc:I cannot wait for watching the end of the rehearsal, which can I just say, I love...
Marc:when Mark talks about something that I have watched.
Marc:And I'm guessing that's true for everyone else listening.
Marc:Like, that's why they want to know what we're watching, right?
Marc:It's like, because it's so fun to have a shared experience.
Guest:Yes, right, right, right.
Marc:And like the rehearsal, I am so glad he also feels the same way that I feel.
Marc:Like, I feel like this is Nathan's like masterpiece.
Marc:Like, I really do think this is like...
Guest:the like he doesn't have to do another thing he will and i hope he does but he doesn't have to do another thing because this is a masterpiece i keep trying to avoid spoilers for it and i think i've gotten relatively there although the you know i i see like images of him on late night shows wearing a pilot's outfit i'm like holy shit oh my god i gotta watch this sooner rather than later because this seems insane um
Marc:Yeah, I can't wait.
Marc:And man, I want him to come on the damn show.
Marc:But another person I also want to go and have on the show, but also Mark has also seen, is Friendship.
Marc:Have you seen Friendship yet?
Guest:No, I have to see it.
Guest:Maybe I'll try this weekend.
Marc:Oh, I hope you do, man.
Marc:It is just a great time.
Marc:It's like one of those things where like, oh, we could make movies like this.
Marc:Movies are good.
Marc:This is fantastic.
Marc:So yeah, I was very happy to see both of those things.
Guest:I'm always just excited that a thing like that gets out there in the theaters and people go to see it.
Guest:Like I did, there was one night, it was like last week where I was like, and I wound up not even having the time to do it.
Guest:So it's not like I regretted it.
Guest:But I thought like, it was like a Tuesday night or something.
Guest:I'm like, maybe if I get enough work done or whatever, I can like slip out and go see like a nine o'clock of Friendship.
Guest:And I went and looked it up and it was all sold out every showing.
Guest:So I was like, oh, well, I guess it'll be around for a little while.
Marc:I hope so.
Marc:And please see it with like a crowd of people because it is so fun to be squirming in your seat and just laugh at like half of the things that, you know, half the audience is laughing at, you're laughing at, and like other people are laughing at other things.
Marc:It is such a fun experience.
Marc:Like I miss that about movies.
Guest:I tell you, when the second and third seasons of I Think You Should Leave came out, I remember putting them on and both times, like it started up and it was like, you know, the first sketch.
Guest:And I started laughing and, and never stopped laughing.
Guest:Like I was laughing at my laughing, like just watching it just, it was on.
Guest:And for, you know, whatever, however long the episodes are 15 minutes, like through the whole episode, I was just like, yeah.
Guest:Like, like just almost hyperventilating that I was so giddy that this thing was on.
Guest:So like, I, I totally anticipate that with, with friendship.
Guest:I know it's a different experience and a different movie, but then, then the show, but it's still, there's a part of,
Guest:tim robinson's persona and his way of yeah like it's his delivery system of the comedy is like i'm going to laugh at this till i scream like it's yes it's like i i don't know what it is he's like at a borat level where it's like i'm just waiting like just for him to open his mouth because it's i'm just going to be laughing the entire time
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's also, it's like, I know it's like as these, as it happens, as I'm watching something of his for the first time, I feel like I'm being delivered something.
Guest:Like it's like, it's like, it's like getting a, like going to the door and there's a package there and you're like, Oh, my package.
Guest:Like I get to enjoy this now.
Guest:It's like, he will, you'll watch a Tim Robinson thing for the first time.
Guest:And he's like, and then he'll say something like, and that's when I thought there were monsters on the world.
Guest:And you're like, Oh my God, I have that in my life now.
Guest:right?
Guest:Like it's this new thing is now yours forever.
Guest:Like I, and it's such a great feeling to be like, like, oh my God, he just gave me, and you know, it's coming, you know, like he's going to give you a thing every few minutes too.
Guest:It's like every few minutes, like there's a guy saying something that you're like, oh, that's a thing now for the rest of my life is shirt brother.
Guest:It's like, it's a thing.
Guest:It just happens now.
Guest:little buff boys that's exactly gonna leave my head a new shorthand and then there are things you watch the first time and you don't register them and you're like it passes by you and whatever and then three weeks later either through yourself or someone else it comes up and you're like well now that's the funniest thing i've ever thought of in my life and i'm gonna say it until i die
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The return on investment on that show is like immense.
Guest:It's one of the highest ever.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And yeah, I love it.
Marc:I hope you all love it.
Marc:And I'm hoping to see this, even though Mark had some heck of great pull quotes for it, this movie, I Don't Understand You, which is some really...
Marc:Really great full quotes from Mark.
Guest:Well, do you have your texts handy?
Marc:Oh, I do.
Marc:Do you have your texts handy, my friend?
Guest:I do, because I'm going to toss this up.
Guest:Oh, look at this.
Guest:You sent it to me.
Guest:That's so funny.
Guest:Because one of our listeners, Cece...
Guest:uh is a graphic designer and and sent in similar ones so let's let me read let me read what you've sent in this is the poster and uh it says quote now this is i should also point out this is right in your wheelhouse chris because uh chris used to do this for dr maron for for the movie reviews that mark's dad would do on morning sedition he would shoot him up a
Guest:shoot him up in rwanda yeah the hotel rwanda quote uh and chris would just make the poster so here we have the poster and it's a you know andrew rannells nick kroll and the pull quote right at the top a gay rom-com thing not really a stretch for nick
Guest:mark maron then you have another poster i watched it not sure i'm the right audience mark maron okay this is a great one because this this was uh this was also one that cc pulled it's well shot and it's all there mark maron
Guest:All right.
Guest:I'm going to send you CC's.
Guest:You can read them.
Guest:Here you go.
Guest:These are done in this, you know, yours, Chris were done like the poster, right?
Guest:Like, like this would be out in front of the movie theater.
Guest:Uh, CC did these for, um, the, uh, the, for like socials.
Guest:These are like things you'd see on, on Instagram.
Guest:And I will let you know, CC, these were sent to Nick Kroll.
Guest:So, uh, Nick has seen these and, uh, I'm not sure he's going to use them, but he, he's definitely has seen them.
Guest:Uh,
Guest:Okay, so yeah, here was the first one.
Marc:There's definitely funny things in there.
Marc:Mark Maron.
Guest:Definitely funny things in there.
Guest:That's one of them.
Guest:This one, I don't know, it just slayed me.
Marc:I thought you directed this one, so I forced myself to watch it.
Marc:And then when I found out you didn't direct it, I'm like, why'd I watch that?
Marc:Mark Maron.
Marc:Mark Maron.
Marc:that is fucking great here's another one hang on i'm sorry i i laughed through these because of my expectations when i look back on it it's funnier than it was when i was watching it
Guest:That one, I actually, like, want to be the thing.
Guest:Like, I want them to actually put that on the poster.
Marc:Oh, that is great.
Marc:Good job, Cece.
Guest:Holy cow.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You were a good tag team on that by the both of you.
Guest:I also love that Nick and Mulaney are...
Guest:I think it's one of the reasons Mark likes them so much is that they both get him and get what's funny about him and they don't like take offense to it or they don't like, you know, they're not like, they actually like make it funnier.
Guest:So like, you know, Nick was like loving the idea that
Guest:Mark was trying to be diplomatic and, and he like kept calling him out on it.
Guest:That was so great.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:I had forgotten all about it.
Guest:I put it at the end of Thursday's episode that I, you know, I want to do a little teaser for the, for the Mulaney episode.
Guest:And so I put the clip of, of Mulaney from 2014 and,
Guest:And I had forgotten about it until I was listening to it again.
Guest:And it was a reminder that like, oh yeah, that's what these guys just, they get a kick out of Mark and you get a kick out of him.
Guest:Like in his, his comedy, like Mulaney was an early listener to the show.
Guest:Like he was one, like,
Guest:If you go back, like listen to like episode 50, I think is one we did where we basically did like a pledge drive type of episodes when we, you know, had no ads or anything.
Guest:We had no real way to make money.
Guest:So like the way we thought was like, we'll get people to donate and we'll get them to, you could get a t-shirt for sending in this level of a donation or you get a, you know, premium episodes for sending in this level of donation.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And we just did an episode where it was like a pledge drive type of thing and called a bunch of comics who had been on the show to be like, yeah, this was a great show.
Guest:And then they did.
Guest:It's like a telethon.
Guest:You do like five minutes of yucks and then tell people why to subscribe or whatever.
Marc:I don't think kids today know what a telethon is.
Marc:That's probably true.
Marc:That's true, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:They don't know what a Jerry Lewis telethon is.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:They might not know who Jerry Lewis is.
Guest:That's true.
Guest:But one of the guys he called, I should clarify this.
Guest:The only person he called who had not yet been on the show was Mulaney.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:And it was just because Mulaney was like always texting him like, I love this episode.
Guest:I love that.
Guest:He's just sitting over there at SNL listening to the show.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Guest:I remember Burbiggs saying it, that when we had the Gallagher episode, he was like, me and Mulaney walked around New York for like an hour talking about that and debating whether it was actually wrong to make Gallagher leave.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like we were like getting angry at each other about like, I'm on Gallagher's side.
Guest:No, fuck you.
Guest:That's awesome.
Guest:But so I forget about that.
Guest:And then these guys come on and I'm like, oh yeah, they just get a kick out of Mark.
Guest:And I had totally forgotten about that thing that Mulaney brought up.
Guest:that was a thing mark had said on conan and he had loved it so much that he like when it was like the first thing he said to mark was oh i loved your joke that you said on conan where your mom called you up and said what do you think of this guy sabu and he said mom do you mean barack obama
Guest:and it's like first of all it's like i like yeah that's why i was working with this guy at that at that exact time like before the podcast started i'm like what do i what do i gotta do to get this guy out there more like this is hilarious shit and and to know that like a guy like mulaney was appreciating it on that same level it's like oh this guy's this is funny shit man
Marc:Yeah, yeah, that's great.
Marc:And I love that Mark's just like, so what, you guys go out to dinner without me?
Marc:That's fine.
Guest:It's also, it's like, yes, and we go with our families.
Marc:Yes, yes.
Marc:Yeah, I love that Mark will never not be jealous of any situation that he's not a part of.
Guest:Yeah, like FOMO was invented for him.
Marc:Yes, 100%.
Marc:But I can't wait for the Monday episode.
Marc:It sounds like it's going to be a fun time.
Marc:How long were they there?
Marc:Was there a lot that you had to cut from this episode or you haven't even listened to it?
Guest:From Mulaney?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:No, I don't think I'll cut much.
Guest:I mean, it's a good solid time and yeah, everyone will enjoy it.
Marc:I was surprised that Peter Wolfe was there for two hours.
Marc:Actually, I guess I'm not that surprised.
Guest:Yeah, those are the ones that always usually are very long.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:Because they, you know, they're people so full of stories.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You know, and he wrote a whole book.
Guest:If you talked about it in your book, it could take nine, ten hours, right?
Guest:True, true.
Guest:So, you know, there's just...
Guest:There's just stuff.
Guest:And it's like, if you listen to that chunk from the producer cuts, it's like, yeah, that like if that's in the actual episode, it's not actually doing anything to this to the episode.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It's it's like it's just more stuff.
Guest:It didn't it was nice to hear it, I thought, but I don't think it mattered that it wasn't in the actual episode.
Marc:Yeah, I'm always amazed when there's, you know, these edited clips out of it that are A, still interesting, but you're right.
Marc:If it was in the episode, it would be like a slog to kind of get through.
Marc:Like you edit it really nicely where it's like, oh yeah, this is much, it's in service to the guest that it's edited the way it is.
Guest:Yeah, I can't really.
Guest:It's one of those things that's hard to speak about.
Guest:I don't mean that it's like there's something I don't want to say.
Guest:I just mean it's literally difficult for me to talk about it and put it into words like what I'm actually doing.
Guest:It's just like, it's just a thing I know how to do.
Guest:And you just do it.
Guest:You follow your impulses on what works and what doesn't.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And like, man, I know I wouldn't be able to do that like that.
Marc:Like, I remember I was learning Avid, like, you know, film editing software and like they were, you know, I was out of class and, you know, there was like, all right, here, build a commercial.
Marc:And it's like, I put all these clips together and they're like, okay, well, you know, that's fine.
Marc:But here, here's the finished product.
Marc:And it's like way better.
Marc:And I'm like, oh yeah, that's what like an expert would do, you know, not, not a novice.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's just little, there's, there's little things that come with time and repetition and feel that, you know, like a thing that you are watching without that experience.
Guest:You're like, Oh, that was just a guy.
Guest:Like he moved his hand from here to there.
Guest:And a person doing it is like, well, when I cut that out, it will move so much more seamlessly to the next shot.
Guest:And then I don't have to worry.
Guest:Like I'm, I'm shaving off.
Marc:seconds of time which all eventually add up but then also for your mental um attention to what i'm trying to get you to watch it's smoother it's cleaner yeah yeah absolutely and uh i really i'm really loving the guitar the last couple of episodes oh yeah like the ending fuck yeah like usually when i get to the end of a podcast i'm like super mad i let it get to that end point like when i'm listening to like the dally and like they're halfway through the credits i'm like god damn it what
Guest:Yeah, I wasted all this time.
Marc:Yeah, mere seconds of my life.
Marc:I'll never get back.
Marc:And like, how did this get made?
Marc:Or like a blank check.
Marc:I'm like, why am I listening to this Quince ad right now?
Marc:But like for your show, it's such a lovely experience to like have Mark's driving guitar, you know, happen.
Marc:It's really, he's gotten so goddamn good at it.
Guest:Well, it's funny because it was one of those things he started and just was going to do.
Guest:And I was always like, you know, I got it and it made sense.
Guest:And there's no reason.
Guest:It's his show.
Guest:Like, there's no reason to be like, hey, don't play guitar on every episode.
Guest:It's like, man, that's your end credits, whatever.
Guest:Then there would be times where he'd send it to me and it's like he's four minutes of guitar or whatever.
Guest:And I'm like, all right, we're going to get that down to one, right?
Guest:Like I can find the hook in what you did and we'll put one minute of guitar at the end of this.
Guest:When we started three years ago with Acast, there was a request that there's an ad.
Guest:You don't know this because you don't listen to the ad side of the feed.
Guest:But there's an ad that starts or there's an ad marker.
Guest:So an ad can start at that point when he says, hang out for a minute.
Guest:That's why that's there.
Guest:So an ad can start there.
Guest:And there was the request is there should be at least I forget exactly how much because it's never been a problem.
Guest:But let's say it's like there needs to be at least two and a half minutes worth of something before the end of the show.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So that that ad can be sold as actually within the show and not after the show.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so I was like, okay, well then giddy up on these guitar solos, right?
Guest:Like if you want to do it for three minutes, go ahead, do it for three minutes.
Guest:So those three minute, uh, you know, guitar solos were, were actually useful.
Guest:And, and I think because of that, like he has a consciousness around that and tries to improve, like he gets better at it and he, you know, is trying different things and new things.
Guest:And yeah, I think it's all winds up, it winds up all being good for the listener.
Marc:Yeah, super fun.
Marc:And so was the Scott Frank episode.
Marc:That was just fun to hang out with a bunch of guys talking about movies.
Marc:Yeah, movie nerd talk.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:I really loved it.
Marc:Michael Clayton heads, you know, and Sicario, Three Kings.
Marc:Like, just like, I loved all of it.
Marc:I especially loved when Mark found out that his dad was a pilot.
Marc:Mark's instinct, like mine, was, well, have you watched that rehearsal show?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, and I do think that the pilot thing is, like, a key to that guy, Scott Frank.
Guest:Like, that idea of, like, you know, having to, you know, face a crisis situation that you must get yourself out of if you're a pilot of a plane.
Guest:Like, okay, how are you going to land this, right?
Guest:It's like...
Guest:there's, once you're in that mindset, there's no screenplay that's going to be daunting to you.
Guest:You're going to figure it out.
Guest:You'll figure out how to fix it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And like, he's learned from like the best, like he, he, you know, watched like dog day afternoon and was like, Oh yeah, I, I can, I can see this.
Marc:And like, was able to build, you know, his kind of his infrastructure around that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I, I also like that he's that, you know, that episode serves as like a good, we don't really do, I mean, he's a director, obviously he's done these, these shows and he's made some movies, but like, I think by trade, you'd say predominantly he's a screenwriter and we, we don't do a lot of episodes where it's like just talking about screenwriting, you know, like, like you would talk to a cinematographer about shooting.
Guest:And yeah,
Guest:I liked that idea of like his thing of like, you know, it's be a, be a writer, not a student like that.
Guest:That is a, that's like the kind of thing that was always in my head when we were talking about Tarantino movies.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like I was always thinking about those screenplays and it's like, yeah, he's not following any rules.
Guest:He's not.
Guest:He's just figuring out how do these characters talk to each other.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And then everything flows from there.
Guest:Once he's got the once he's got the relations down and, you know, how are these things I just put words I just put onto a page?
Guest:How are they going to be humans talking with one another?
Guest:Everything else kind of builds out from there.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I loved his process for out of sight and how he kind of led to the very end of the movie.
Marc:Like, I just thought that was so fun to get that insight.
Marc:Cause I just watched that movie like last month.
Guest:Well, also the fact that they didn't even bring this up that like, he gets this story.
Guest:He's like, I'm going to make that, I'm going to put that guy that you just told me about in there.
Guest:But then of course, like one of the great master strokes of that is it's Sam Jackson.
Guest:Yes.
Yeah.
Guest:yeah that helps yeah right like that'll sell you anything that you want in that scene uh also loved his logan like it was like yeah you know it's this story and it's like oh we can just imprint like the marvelness on top of it and it's uh it's there it's right yeah i like that he said that the stuff he was writing out angrily is actually like literally still in the shooting script yeah like like him being like this is this is all bullshit that totally
Guest:Well, one of the things about great writing is, you know, it can stick with you for a very long time.
Guest:And last night we had the privilege of sitting through one of the great pieces of American writing in history.
Guest:And thanks to you, Chris, you got us tickets.
Guest:The four of us, our respective wives and the two of us went to see Glengarry Glen Ross on Broadway.
Guest:And I mean...
Guest:the biggest, my, my biggest takeaway from it is like, it really is.
Guest:It's a play written in, you know, 1983 put on Broadway in 84.
Guest:So, you know, we're not talking to ancient history, but it might as well be a classical symphony.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like it has, it's the same Mozart.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's the same feeling, especially, uh, uh, a mammoth play, uh,
Guest:Um, he has so much control over, uh, the productions.
Guest:It's what you get with a playwright who's still living.
Guest:He won't let them cut things.
Guest:Uh, he won't let them change dialogue.
Guest:That's wild.
Guest:Did you, I don't know if you realize this.
Guest:They were not wearing mics.
Guest:They weren't?
Guest:No, he does not allow mics.
Guest:So I believe the stage- Wait, as a writer, you can do that?
Guest:No way.
Guest:Yeah, I mean, he can say, I will not let you put my production up if your actors are mic'd.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So that gigantic theater that we were in, they were not wearing microphones?
Guest:No, but I definitely think there were mics on the stage because there was one part where Kieran Culkin threw a water cup-
Guest:And it thumped.
Guest:It thumped something.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:How interesting.
Guest:I wonder if that's a giveaway.
Guest:I wonder if they're not allowed to have those and they're hidden around the set somewhere.
Guest:Wow, I didn't know that.
Guest:But yeah.
Guest:But so the bottom line is you're listening to this...
Guest:This dialogue and the language of this play.
Guest:And it's no different than it was when the play was first produced.
Guest:And then every time it's been produced subsequently in the movie that Mamet also wrote.
Guest:And I just sat there.
Guest:I directed this show in college.
Guest:So I've heard it.
Guest:dozens and dozens and dozens of times and just certain scenes i remember with the actors i was working with just drilling it over and over and over again so like it it feels to me like like a beatles song or a christmas carol or something like it just i'm familiar with it or familiar with it the way you'd be familiar with like you know beethoven's fifth or something but you you people still go to symphony halls to hear that stuff yes right yeah
Guest:And I sat there watching this last night thinking the same thing.
Guest:Like this writing is music.
Guest:Like I am enjoying it.
Guest:I'm enjoying the performances.
Guest:They're all good on various levels.
Guest:But I'm also enjoying like things that they're missing.
Guest:Like they're like, it's like, oh, you didn't exactly get that one.
Guest:Just the same way you'd like go to see, you know, someone playing something.
Guest:You're like, oh, that flute right there.
Guest:I'm usually used to it hitting a little better than that.
Guest:You know, like it was a great experience on that level.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I mean, I don't think you have as close a relationship to the to that show.
Guest:You've seen the film and everything.
Guest:But like, what did you think overall of the of the thing?
Marc:Yeah, I'm the opposite.
Marc:I barely know the subject matter.
Marc:I've seen the movie maybe once, twice.
Marc:I've definitely played the clips on YouTube a whole bunch, but I usually play the clips for the Alec Baldwin part, which is not in the goddamn play.
Guest:Yeah, and you know what bothered me?
Guest:Did you notice walking out past the merchandise?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They got cups that say coffee is for closers.
Guest:That's not in the fucking play.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like everybody knows it's not in the play.
Guest:Like what are we even doing?
Guest:If you, if you buy a coffee is for closers mug at the play of Glen Gary, Glen Ross, you should, your ticket should have cost double.
Marc:100%.
Marc:And I hope that coffee mug was $100.
Marc:Probably was.
Guest:I bought a fucking $20 for two peanut M&M's.
Guest:So yeah, I'm sure it was.
Marc:Yeah, Aaron got like a wine.
Marc:It was like $33.
Marc:Like, wow, I could buy a bottle for that price.
Marc:But sure, you go nuts on your cup of wine.
Yeah.
Marc:But I was going in.
Marc:I was like, well, this is going to be fun because A, I love the movie.
Marc:I'm excited to see the play for the first time.
Marc:And I love all three actors, but I didn't know.
Marc:I was nervous.
Marc:I was a bit more nervous about Bill Burr because I've never seen him act in anything other than like an Andor episode.
Guest:No, Mandalorian.
Guest:Mandalorian.
Marc:oh man oh mandalorian yeah yeah and like so i'm like i i don't know if if bill burr will be able to bring it and i gotta say of the three i think bill burr was my favorite yeah yeah he was great bill bill was great and i i wonder if he's i he didn't get great reviews when when it opened oh really
Guest:And I wonder if that's true.
Guest:I wonder if that's fair.
Guest:It might not be.
Guest:But also, I also wonder if after two months now, he's gotten more comfortable.
Guest:I mean, it's his first time on Broadway.
Guest:And I also wonder, we were sitting in the rear meds.
Guest:So, which was fine.
Guest:You know, everything translated.
Guest:It wasn't like we were, you know, too far away or something.
Guest:But we are at the top of the theater.
Guest:And I wonder if that played, if Bill played better because of that.
Guest:He's like playing to us basically because he's so big and broad and he's used to doing that as a comic, right?
Guest:He's used to being on a stage where he's in a theater of that size and he's got to communicate to everyone.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And yeah, that might be the case, but I will say just for acting purposes, he was the most sincere actor.
Marc:You know, like every everyone was great.
Marc:And, you know, I actually today read the New York Times review and they were down on Kieran Culkin.
Marc:And I got to say, I thought Kieran Culkin was lovely.
Marc:He was great.
Guest:I liked him in the second act.
Guest:I thought he I had a real, real problem with that first act scene that he has.
Guest:really why because i felt the opposite that is supposed to be a seductive sales pitch and it came it came across like nonsense words like why would that guy i i also think it was a problem of the directing they had them at two boots set far apart from each other it's like why is this guy why would he even be paying attention to this guy who's like a mile away from him
Guest:right in a booth like why aren't they at the bar they should be in the booth together like just start the scene with them in the booth it doesn't matter that he hasn't introduced himself yet that happens all the time someone sidles up to somebody else they start some spiel and then they're like oh by the way i'm this guy you know is my name i don't know it just it was a bad way to go into the act break i thought it felt felt real flat and it and and
Guest:I didn't have a problem with it being Kieran Culkin because he's not a typical casting choice for that character.
Guest:But that's fine.
Guest:You want to do something atypical, do something new and different with the way a guy is presented.
Guest:That's all great.
Guest:And I think he showed you could do that by the way he was in the second act.
Guest:In the second act, his kind of smarmy neuroses, it actually worked.
Guest:Because you could see how this guy could wriggle out of situations as opposed to the way that a real alpha like Pacino or Liev Schreiber would play that part where they're just going to dominate you.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But he was slippery.
Guest:And I liked that about him.
Guest:But that first scene, I was like, he's he's it's gotten to the point where, like, I'm not I've seen this show recently.
Guest:dozens of times, literally dozens of times.
Guest:And I don't, I'm not following him here.
Guest:I know these words like they were my wedding vows and I cannot follow him.
Marc:It's funny.
Marc:I wonder if I was just transfixed on the star power of it.
Marc:And like, I was like, yay, look, you know, you know, look at Kieran Culkin there talking.
Guest:That might be it.
Guest:I mean, it might be the case where you, you know, you're just like happy to see him.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, I will say one of the better performances was Michael McKean.
Marc:Yeah, he was great.
Marc:First of all, I didn't know he was going to be in it.
Marc:That was a shock for me.
Marc:And because, of course, he used to play Bob Odenkirk's brother on Better Call Saul.
Marc:But the exchange that Michael and Bill Burr have, it's just so fun.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:It's so electric.
Marc:It's like Live Wire is being held.
Guest:And that's, that's that case of like the mammoth dialogue being like music.
Guest:Like you basically, if you look at it on a page, I went and grabbed this, this script off my shelf last night when I got home and I was pointing it out to Dawn that it's like, if you look at this on the page, it's just words, right?
Guest:It's just one word after another.
Guest:And there's no direction to how you get this to line up as you talk it.
Guest:Right?
Guest:Like, so it's just like a page of those two characters and one going like, yeah, really?
Guest:You see?
Guest:Doesn't it?
Marc:There's no direction.
Guest:No, nothing like that.
Guest:So you have to like crack the code, right?
Guest:Like there's a very specific part where he says, you know, like, you know, I'm going to need you to break into the office.
Guest:And on the page, it says, what?
Guest:Question mark.
Guest:That's the Michael McKean line.
Guest:And then the Bill Burr character right underneath, it says, what?
Guest:Question mark.
Guest:What?
Guest:Question mark.
Guest:I'm going to need you to break in or whatever it is.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And you're just looking at that on the page.
Guest:Like you're like...
Guest:you don't have any, there's no cheat to help you out of what that's supposed to be.
Guest:But if you do it enough times, or if you think about it enough, it's like the subtext there is like, what do you mean?
Guest:What?
Guest:Like he said, I need you to break into the office.
Guest:What?
Guest:What, what?
Guest:Break into the office, right?
Guest:There's nothing pointing you in that direction of what, what, right?
Guest:You just have to get there.
Guest:And it must be,
Guest:this thrilling achievement to get it working right.
Guest:Like it probably feels like surfing a wave or like, you know, just being tapped into some, some frequency, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Man, I, I, I'm shocked about that because I figured it was like, and probably what Quentin Tarantino, you know, does with his scripts where all that direction is kind of on the screen, on the page, excuse me, where, but you're telling me there's none of that.
Guest:Like barely anything, you know, and there's unbelievable things are like elliptical.
Guest:I think, you know, the play is dedicated to Harold Pinter.
Guest:And so the obviously he was going for that type of structure and Pinter was similar kind of formalist in that way.
Guest:But he was like, I'm going to write a thing here that says pause.
Guest:And you just better pause.
Guest:Like that's if you don't pause and the pause isn't long enough, you're going to screw up the play.
Guest:And it's on you to figure that out.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like you have to make sure that lands in the way that's appropriate.
Guest:He wasn't giving you a cheat sheet.
Guest:And and I feel like that was his intention with Glenn Gary was like, I'm going to write this the way Pinter did.
Guest:And people you're going to have to make to make the music.
Guest:and uh you know it when it works it works man it can and and like let's just say too it works the best it's probably ever worked in the film it's like i i i love the play and it's and the play is very close slightly different but like you get the same thrust from the play but i just think
Guest:There was you probably have never seen it mounted as a play with acting of the level of what's in the film.
Guest:It's just like all these powerhouse actors at the absolute top of their game and and and having the luxury of doing takes so that you could get it right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And and just I'm sure they just drilled these things over and over and over again until it worked, you know, and it's just so it's it feels effortless.
Guest:Like if you just watch like this needle drop that movie anywhere and you're like, oh, my God, these guys like that.
Guest:That seems like they just made that language up right there.
Guest:They're just talking to each other.
Marc:Yeah, it really does sound like a new language is being discovered and they have mastered it already.
Marc:Yeah, right, right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What do you think of like the setting?
Marc:Because I thought they did a great job with the Chinese restaurant and I really liked what they did with the office.
Guest:Yeah, I mean, I have my feelings about the show probably not being an ideal Broadway, big Broadway theater type of show.
Guest:Like, that was a big house.
Guest:This is the Palace Theater in New York.
Guest:It's really big.
Guest:And I don't know.
Guest:Like, I get it.
Guest:You make these shows, they cost millions of dollars to mount.
Guest:This probably cost like 30 million bucks or whatever.
Guest:And so you got to have a big venue, charge a lot for tickets.
Guest:You're selling it out.
Guest:You get it.
Guest:You know, it's, it's your limited time because you don't have these guys for what more than like 20 weeks or something.
Guest:So you got to make all your money.
Guest:I get it.
Guest:I get the economics of it, but ideally that show should be in like an 800 seat theater, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, and it should be a little smaller and a little, you're, you, you, you should feel a little tighter in there.
Guest:I like, I agree with you.
Guest:That Chinese restaurant looked awesome, but it was so much wasted space.
Guest:So much.
Guest:They don't use, they don't use 80% of it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:It's, it's wild.
Marc:They're like, wow, someone built that, that, uh, you know, that counter over there.
Guest:There's a whole restaurant behind them, a whole restaurant.
Guest:And they sit in two booths in center stage.
Marc:Like, could have had none of that.
Marc:Like, at least the office, they go to all parts of the office.
Marc:They use all the space.
Marc:Like, use the space, like Cowbell, you know?
Marc:Explore the space.
Marc:Like, they explored very little of the space.
Marc:Like, it was wild.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But, you know, it's like, again, I was I'm willing to, like, give that a pass.
Guest:Like, I don't have I don't have a complaint about that because I get like, well, you just you're in you're on a giant Broadway stage.
Guest:You're going to do something.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I remember I remember when I was in college and, you know, before doing this with my theater group, reading all about like other productions, like I want to get like a sense of like, what did other productions do?
Guest:And there was a famous one in London that was directed by Sam Mendes.
Guest:That was actually the thing that got him American beauty.
Guest:Steven Spielberg went to this production in London of Glen Gary and saw it and was like, I'd like that guy to direct this DreamWorks movie that we've, we've optioned, you know?
Guest:And, and that was his first film.
Guest:And so I remember reading about this production of Glen Gary and he did it on a revolve.
Guest:you know, a rotating stage.
Marc:And, and that's a good solution.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like I thought, like, I remember thinking that while I was, you know, kind of doing like my research on the play that it's like, well, I can't do a revolve in this school.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But what does that mean?
Guest:Why did he do it that way?
Guest:And it was like, I, I got it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:The idea of like, Oh, this is, this is spiraling out of control for these people.
Guest:their whole there this is not a life that is steady right so like what okay that's good that was good to get in my head how do i make this off kilter for people like what can you do to feel not easy in this environment just like these guys do you know and
Guest:And I'm sure there's plenty of productions where they do other things like, you know, you can bathe that Chinese restaurant in red, you know, like it's like hell, you know, like, so there's, there's ways to get it across this production.
Guest:They were like, nah, fuck it.
Guest:It's just a big giant restaurant.
Guest:Well, what did you do when you, when you, it was a small black box theater.
Guest:I put the restaurant over to the side and just a booth, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And the office is on the main stage.
Guest:And because of that, it got this audience sitting in there facing the, the, the main stage and looking at the office.
Guest:I knew like, I can't have, and there's no curtain.
Guest:It's a black box theater, you know?
Guest:Right.
Guest:And so I know that I can't have,
Guest:the office trashed or if it was it's it's like it's a it's a kind of mental giveaway to the audience of what's going to come so i had this clean office and actually started the play in the office so like what is that first scene where you saw uh odenkirk and and the the office manager the
Guest:you know, in the booth and he's begging him for the leads.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I had him doing that, chasing the office manager around the office as he's like closing up for the night and then left to go to the restaurant.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That's smart.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, it, it felt like a solution.
Guest:Like that's, you know, if any, look, I'm not a theater director.
Guest:I did this in college, but if anything, that's a little indication of like what I do with my job now, it's like, well, how do I find a way around this?
Guest:Like what's my, what's the solution?
Guest:But I was enjoying that about watching the show last night, that it was like, oh, this is, you know, the template is there, the palette, do what you will with it, you know?
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Yeah, I would wholeheartedly recommend it.
Marc:If you can get a ticket for face value, you know, don't try to, you know, don't do a thousand dollars.
Guest:Some of these tickets are like thousands of dollars to see this thing.
Guest:What are we doing?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like, no, no.
Guest:Don't do that.
Guest:I'm sure that the type of tickets we had up in the rear mez, you probably get those for a good deal.
Guest:And that was fine.
Guest:Go see it.
Guest:Go see it in the last seat in the theater.
Guest:You'll be fine.
Guest:There's nothing you're going to miss.
Guest:And you could close your eyes and listen to the play and it would be awesome.
Marc:Although, I mean, Kieran Culkin still does physical comedy like the best of us.
Marc:He's very good at it.
Guest:I mean, it's fun, too, to watch Bill Burr blow his stack.
Guest:That was satisfying.
Guest:His face gets so red.
Guest:Exactly, because his whole head, it starts to get red.
Guest:Um, and it's like, I, there would be parts where I'm anticipating, like, I know what line is coming.
Guest:I know he's going to call him a genuine shit.
Guest:And I'm like, oh, he's really winding up for that.
Guest:You know, I was getting excited.
Guest:Oh, he's going to really lay into him with the genuine shit.
Yeah.
Guest:uh you never open your mouth until you know what the shot is i try to do that on this podcast a whole lot it's good life advice it really is yeah you should i i you shouldn't take a lot of positives away from this show like there's there's that movie uh boiler room where the guys are actually legit like telling each other like haven't you ever seen glengarry glen ross you got to do it like this like yeah that should be a hint
Guest:Those scumbags are using the movie as a template.
Guest:Like, don't do that.
Guest:Don't be like them.
Guest:Don't be like the Wolf of Wall Street.
Guest:But never open your mouth until you know what the shot is, is a good one.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And also, I actually was thinking about this, too, last night.
Guest:The thing that really grabbed my attention about this show...
Guest:was before I ever even saw the movie, I remember reading the play in high school.
Guest:I was in the high school library and grabbed it off the shelf and I was reading it because you could do that during a study hall.
Guest:A play was nothing.
Guest:Read a play, it'd take you 40 minutes, especially a mammoth play where the dialogue is so short.
Guest:And I got to the end where, you know, Shelley has just kind of been exposed and Williamson's going to go tell the cop about him.
Guest:And he's sitting there with Roma.
Guest:Roma just comes out from having talked to the cops.
Guest:And he says, he's like, oh, what a day.
Guest:What a day.
Guest:He goes, it's not a world of men.
Guest:It's not a world of men machine.
Guest:And I fucking saw that sitting there on the page.
Guest:And it like, it captivated me.
Guest:Not a world of men machine.
Guest:Holy shit.
Guest:Like it was like a, I was like stunned by that as just like, that is so few words and it means the world, right?
Guest:Like there's something so tantalizing about that.
Guest:The, the, the men machine part of it.
Guest:And yeah,
Guest:that was like my entry portal to this whole guy to mammoth was like something's going on here with this like from a language perspective that is different you know yeah and and like that's i think the joy of like revisiting something like this and why it makes sense yeah do it do it every five years i don't give a shit i'll go see it again yeah
Marc:Yes.
Marc:That's what I was thinking.
Marc:I was like, I would see this with a different three cast of characters, you know, or, or I would see it with them doing different parts.
Marc:You know, like I would, I would love that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:100%.
Marc:So I did finish my succession Roy kids.
Marc:Oh yes.
Marc:You've seen the three, the three, the three Roy's, you know, Connie's a half Roy, but yeah, he's, he's, he's out there in Michigan trying to get that 1% or something.
Marc:But, yeah, I recommend seeing Sarah Snook in her Dorian Gray.
Marc:Like, absolutely.
Marc:Like, you haven't seen it, right?
Guest:No, but, you know, I better see it before she wins the Tony and you can't get tickets.
Marc:Please do.
Marc:Enter the lottery.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Enter the lottery and, like, just you'll win the day before and then you can go that day.
Marc:You can set up a babysitter.
Marc:I'll babysit for you.
Marc:Like, you know.
Guest:He's 14.
Guest:He doesn't need a babysitter.
Guest:He's home last night.
Guest:We text him on his Apple Watch, make sure he's alive, and that's all good.
Marc:Oh, thank God.
Marc:But yeah, try to see it because it is fantastic.
Marc:And if you thought that this production was too big for Broadway, I'm...
Marc:excited to hear what you think of her production because there's just, it's like a Broadway show I've never seen before.
Marc:I'm really interested to listen to your take.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, that's an exciting thing to me to have something that like really drills down and is small scale.
Guest:Great.
Guest:I'm all for it.
Marc:Well, I can't wait.
Marc:I cannot recommend it enough.
Marc:So that show and Glenn Ross.
Guest:And look, we've said it a million times on this show.
Guest:Come to New York, go to a Broadway show, spend a long weekend here, go see some museums.
Guest:It is a great vacation, a great destination to...
Guest:you will probably spend less money than you do going to a theme park or a resort or something.
Guest:Just come do it.
Guest:And now's the time.
Guest:Springtime is great in New York.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:Except not right now.
Guest:This sucks.
Guest:This week.
Marc:I don't know what this is.
Marc:This is like fall redux for some reason.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I did want to say one thing that is a little bit of a correction that somebody wrote in to let us know about.
Guest:Kettle of fish that we brought up that came up in the Peter Wolf discussion.
Guest:Is it a different kettle of fish?
Guest:Well, it's the same bar, but it has moved several times.
Guest:So when Bob Dylan used to go to it, it was on McDougal.
Guest:And now it's on Christopher Street.
Guest:It's right next to the Stonewall Inn.
Guest:And, you know, that's the latest location, but it has moved several times.
Guest:So not the same exact spot where we have watched football games with our friend from Wisconsin.
Guest:That makes total sense.
Marc:That makes total sense because if Bob Dylan was hanging out in that bar, that would be weird.
Guest:Yeah, because it's not like a music venue or anything.
Guest:No, it's not.
Guest:It doesn't lend itself really to like, you know, performance.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But yeah, I could see that if it was at a different spot.
Guest:I'm sure it was a different setup.
Marc:And can I also just say, Brendan and I have also watched AEW's Double Nothing.
Marc:I don't want to end this conversation with you without giving AEW their flowers.
Marc:Like, that was a tremendous pay-per-view.
Marc:I am still one match away from finishing it.
Marc:But what a night.
Marc:Like, what a gift to the wrestling community.
Guest:Yeah, hey, all you people out there who either like wrestling or were interested in it when we first started talking about it, that's definitely one to go out of your way to see.
Guest:You can rent it or buy it on Prime Video or any pay-per-view outlet in that.
Guest:It was very well worth the dollar, I thought.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:I mean, shit, man.
Marc:Between Double or Nothing, Glen Cary, Glen Ross, friendship, the rehearsal, I'm full.
Marc:My belly's full.
Marc:I'm eating good.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You got to have like a weekend purge or something.
Marc:I mean, that's what Mission Impossible was.
Guest:Oh, that's unfortunate.
Marc:Do you see, by the way, Lilo and Stitch ate its lunch?
Guest:Yeah, I saw that.
Guest:It was Stitch's revenge for getting edged out in, what was that, 2002?
Guest:That's right.
Guest:From Minority Report.
Marc:Which your guest, Scott Frank, wrote, right?
Guest:Was the writer, yeah.
Marc:Yeah, so crazy, crazy.
Guest:Everything is connected.
Guest:Well, next week, we will be back and we can talk about the John Mulaney episode, can talk about Mark's announcement.
Guest:We can talk about another return guest, two return guest week next week.
Guest:Two.
Guest:Yeah, the second guest on Thursday is Josh Homme from Queens of the Stone Age, who they just did a kind of amazing thing where they did performance in the catacombs of France.
Guest:Oh, hell yeah.
Guest:Really interesting stuff.
Guest:Heavy dude, deep dude.
Guest:You would know that if you remember his first episode where he talked about how he literally died.
Guest:He was dead for about four minutes from a staph infection.
Guest:Oh, shit.
Guest:And that had a pretty profound impact on his life.
Guest:So good stuff next week and good stuff to come through the month of June.
Guest:Mark should be with the timing of things.
Guest:Depending on when you're listening to this on Friday, he should be talking to Mike Birbiglia right at the time you're listening to this.
Guest:And that will be coming up in a couple of weeks.
Guest:And as will other guests that I don't want to go ahead and tip the hand because we haven't recorded them yet.
Guest:But we've got some good stuff on the docket.
Guest:So stick around with us.
Guest:If you have a memory of that episode I mentioned at the beginning of the show, please send us a comment in the episode description.
Guest:That would be very helpful.
Guest:Just go to the episode description, click on the link, and that's where you can send us whatever you want.
Guest:Your comments, your thoughts, your topics, the answer to that very specific question.
Guest:And until next time, I am Brendan and that is Chris.
Guest:Peace.