BONUS The Friday Show - The Bottom Line

Episode 733796 • Released June 6, 2025 • Speakers detected

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00:00:00Guest:Cause Mark tells him and he's like, it's funny because when I heard that I was booked back on here, he said, my first thought was they're running out of people.
00:00:11Guest:Yeah.
00:00:13Guest:He's like, they wouldn't invite me back if they weren't running out of people.
00:00:18Guest:And he's like, and I, I, I have to admit when you just told me that you were ending it, he's like, Oh no, it is because they're running out of people.
00:00:29Guest:It must be me.
00:00:46Guest:Hey Chris.
00:00:47Marc:Well hello Brendan.
00:00:49Guest:What do you want to talk about?
00:00:51Guest:Oh, man, you guys are ending the pod.
00:00:56Guest:Yep, yep.
00:00:58Guest:I should let everyone know I told you this as soon as we got off the mics last week.
00:01:03Guest:So the episode itself was not a surprise to you.
00:01:06Guest:You did not know prior to that, though.
00:01:08Marc:Well, I did have a question about that because you had this bonus episode with you and Mark in the garage.
00:01:17Marc:And how long ago was that?
00:01:18Marc:When did you all decide to hang it up?
00:01:21Guest:Hmm.
00:01:22Guest:How about that, huh?
00:01:28Guest:I want to ask you, when do you think?
00:01:30Guest:What was your assumption when you listened to that?
00:01:34Marc:Well, I mean, I knew it was when you were in LA, which was, I don't know how many months ago, but maybe three months ago.
00:01:44Marc:But that was just the conversation.
00:01:46Marc:Was it longer?
00:01:47Marc:Was it just...
00:01:48Guest:No, that recording was done minutes after we had the conversation.
00:01:54Guest:Oh, no kidding.
00:01:55Guest:So I walked to his house to say, you know, like, basically, I'm going to be out there.
00:02:02Guest:So let's...
00:02:04Guest:figure out the future, you know, because we've got a, we've got a contract wrapping up here.
00:02:08Guest:We, you know, we're, we're, we're going to be done this fall with our current partnership deal.
00:02:13Guest:We have to see if we want to re up that.
00:02:15Guest:We want to see if we want to do something different.
00:02:17Guest:We want to see if we have any changes to make.
00:02:19Guest:So like really search your soul and decide what you want to do.
00:02:24Guest:And, uh, we, um, I, I was, you know, I stayed at a hotel kind of near his house and I walked over to his house just basically like, all right, I'm going to tell him,
00:02:34Guest:That I'm done.
00:02:36Guest:And I was pretty steadfast in my belief that there would be nothing to convince me otherwise.
00:02:41Guest:And I also knew from conversations that we had previous that going down to a reduced schedule would be a bad idea.
00:02:53Guest:He wasn't into that.
00:02:55Guest:Why not?
00:02:55Marc:Yeah.
00:02:56Marc:Like David Letterman does this Netflix show.
00:02:59Guest:That's not a reduced schedule.
00:03:01Guest:That's something entirely different.
00:03:02Guest:A reduced schedule would be like if David Letterman said, I'm only going to be doing the late show once a week.
00:03:07Guest:Right.
00:03:08Marc:Like, like the daily show having a host once a week.
00:03:11Marc:I gotcha.
00:03:11Guest:Or Rachel Maddow.
00:03:12Guest:Right.
00:03:13Guest:Oh, right.
00:03:13Guest:And Mark was like, I will not do that.
00:03:15Guest:Like, basically, like before we talked about it, he was like that I'm not going to do.
00:03:20Guest:And I agree with him.
00:03:20Guest:It's like it's like you're either in the game or you're out of the game.
00:03:24Guest:Right.
00:03:25Guest:You're basically communicating to people.
00:03:28Guest:Hey, this is going to take up less of my time now.
00:03:31Guest:It's just inherently not as relevant.
00:03:33Guest:Right.
00:03:33Guest:It's not as relevant to you.
00:03:35Guest:It's not as relevant to the culture.
00:03:37Guest:It's like you're deciding I'm scaling this back.
00:03:40Guest:It's I have other priorities.
00:03:42Guest:So like it was either a full in or full out thing.
00:03:45Guest:I think we were both understanding of that.
00:03:47Guest:Well, I want to know, did you talk to Dawn about that?
00:03:51Marc:Of course you did.
00:03:52Marc:You know, she's your partner.
00:03:53Marc:Like, did you have like a whiteboard of like pros and cons?
00:03:57Marc:Like what happened?
00:03:58Guest:Not that detailed.
00:04:00Guest:No, I mean, it was I mean, it was more like I knew what I wanted.
00:04:03Guest:I knew my what my decision was.
00:04:06Guest:And, you know, talk to her about it just to say this is what I think.
00:04:10Guest:And she said, yep, sounds sounds right.
00:04:13Guest:And, you know, but that was that was like a long time coming.
00:04:18Guest:Look.
00:04:19Guest:every step of the way of doing this show, there was nothing about me that was ever saying, all right, I just got to get this to X point and then I can finish.
00:04:28Guest:I got to just, you know, we have to go for so many years and then we'll be done.
00:04:32Guest:Or we, you know, we have to, like, basically, as soon as it actually became a viable thing, I was like, well, I'm in.
00:04:39Guest:You know, this is now my life.
00:04:41Guest:Right.
00:04:41Guest:But at the same time, I always knew the whole point of doing this
00:04:47Guest:was like we won, right?
00:04:50Guest:We got to do a thing that we created and that's how we made our living.
00:04:56Guest:So don't turn that into shit garbage, right?
00:04:59Guest:Don't make that like every other job on the planet that people say, well, I just, I have to do that because it's my job, right?
00:05:07Guest:So my whole point from like the minute we started was like, great, we'll be able to do this until we get to say we stop.
00:05:17Guest:Yeah.
00:05:18Guest:Because anything that's anything that ever turned it into a job was going to mean it was bad.
00:05:24Guest:It was the wrong decision.
00:05:25Guest:I could go get a job anywhere.
00:05:27Guest:Right.
00:05:27Guest:So so that was always in my head.
00:05:30Guest:I was always the goal was get this to a point where you're like you feel good about being done with it.
00:05:37Guest:Don't get to a point where you're angry that you're still doing it.
00:05:41Guest:And that's like it was like.
00:05:42Guest:Star Wars, like you had to we had to fire the torpedo right into the little slot, you know, like like it was a very specific window.
00:05:52Guest:You couldn't.
00:05:53Guest:And so, OK, if I wanted to really drill down on that as a theory.
00:05:58Guest:Did I hit the target?
00:06:00Guest:Did we end this at exactly the right time?
00:06:04Guest:I would say, no, maybe it's like a year too long.
00:06:08Guest:Really?
00:06:10Guest:And that's not to shit on the last year that we've done.
00:06:15Guest:I think we've done good work.
00:06:16Guest:But I would just say in the last year is where I, and Mark as well, we both have felt the strain of it.
00:06:24Guest:We both have felt the specific term of burnout, right?
00:06:31Guest:Like knowing what that is.
00:06:33Guest:Like just the slightest things that used to be real easy are much harder, right?
00:06:39Guest:The, you know, putting together ad copy for him.
00:06:42Guest:Every week when I have to do that, it's just a harder lift.
00:06:45Guest:And you start to look at it and you're like, why?
00:06:47Guest:Why is that?
00:06:48Guest:Like I've done this...
00:06:50Guest:Thousands of times.
00:06:51Guest:Why is it hard?
00:06:52Guest:And that's just it's it's because it's time.
00:06:54Guest:It's time to be done with it.
00:06:57Guest:So, you know, you start to those things start to build up.
00:06:59Guest:And so, yes, if I had a crystal ball and could have known what's the exact perfect time to quit.
00:07:06Guest:So that you won't get burned out and you won't feel a drag.
00:07:10Guest:It would have been like episode 1500.
00:07:12Guest:That would have been me having tremendous foresight and Mark knowing and trusting 100% that that was the right time because we didn't feel it then.
00:07:22Guest:Right.
00:07:23Guest:So it's like that would, but that would have been the perfect time to do it.
00:07:27Guest:Right.
00:07:28Guest:So instead we went for another year plus beyond that.
00:07:30Guest:So it's going to end up, you know, we're gonna end up with 1600 something episodes, not 1500.
00:07:35Guest:And that's, that's fine.
00:07:37Guest:I don't have a problem with that specifically, but I do think like it took that little extra time for me to feel the slight amount of wear and tug and know, okay, we're, we're, we're pushing this too much.
00:07:49Guest:And so definitely even another one year deal.
00:07:52Guest:Like if we did a partnership deal with somebody for another one year, no bueno.
00:07:57Guest:So like I was like it was time.
00:08:01Guest:Wow.
00:08:02Guest:Okay.
00:08:02Guest:And I mean, like, so going back to walking over to his house.
00:08:06Guest:I walked in there with that mentality, ready to go and sat down and sat down on his porch.
00:08:13Guest:And I had like a notepad out, but I don't know why I needed it.
00:08:16Guest:I needed to read anything.
00:08:17Guest:I just knew what I was going to tell him.
00:08:18Guest:I guess I guess I had to look like I had notes.
00:08:21Marc:well, you had to kind of plan for, you know, any sort of scenario, right?
00:08:27Guest:Like I know you, I had to, you know, I knew that there was a chance I would have to kind of make my pitch and, and I had stuff written down in case I needed to.
00:08:34Guest:But so I was like, so, okay.
00:08:37Guest:And he's like, so we're going to talk about the show.
00:08:39Guest:And I was like, yeah.
00:08:40Guest:like i told you you know you should think about it right and uh i wondered you know did you give it any thought and he goes yeah what do you think immediately flips it right back to me uh and so i guess i will have to go to my grave wondering that if i had said i think we should keep going would he have said the same right but i don't think so no i don't think so so like if that let the record show that yes i at mark's
00:09:07Guest:request, I was the first one to say where we stood.
00:09:11Guest:And I said, I think we would, we should end the show.
00:09:15Guest:And he said, yep, I agree.
00:09:18Guest:So, and did not hesitate.
00:09:20Guest:So like, I don't know if that means he absolutely felt that way.
00:09:24Guest:And I gave him the, the, the simpatico answer.
00:09:27Guest:And so we were just able to be off to the races from there.
00:09:30Guest:Or if he had multiple questions,
00:09:33Guest:you know, macros.
00:09:34Guest:And he could have convinced himself either way, depending on what I said.
00:09:38Guest:And that when I said that, he just pushed that button and then full steam ahead on not doing it.
00:09:45Guest:Uh, but either way, uh, it's fine because he like, he said it in that bonus thing we recorded.
00:09:51Guest:He was like, I don't have any trepidation about this.
00:09:54Guest:Like, I'm not like agonizing over this.
00:09:56Guest:This is the right call.
00:09:58Marc:Yeah.
00:09:58Marc:Yeah.
00:09:58Marc:Yeah, definitely.
00:09:59Marc:And first of all, did you write down in your little notebook that Mark agrees to end show?
00:10:06Guest:I don't think so.
00:10:07Guest:And I should go find if I have any notes from that day.
00:10:09Guest:I don't think it was anything major.
00:10:12Marc:No, it's just a drawing of a man with a large penis in there.
00:10:17Marc:No, it's like me, briefcase, money coming out of it, Tahiti.
00:10:24Marc:So did you plan for the scenario where you were like, look, I'm, you know, I think we should end the show and Mark being like, nah, I don't know.
00:10:34Marc:I feel like I can, I can still do this.
00:10:36Marc:Yes.
00:10:36Marc:And so we're, I mean, that's a bridge.
00:10:40Marc:You'll never have to go down, right?
00:10:42Marc:Like you'll never have to wonder what that scenario was, but you could have like, be like, would you have been like, all right, well, like I'll help you find a producer and like this and that.
00:10:53Guest:I mean, OK, so if you want me to be totally honest about it, I basically knew that I was ending the show because I knew that if I said no and if he said, well, what if I do this or what if I do it this way or that way?
00:11:07Guest:I'd say, great, but you got to do it with someone else.
00:11:09Guest:Right, right.
00:11:10Guest:So, and he has said, he said it since we made the announcement, he said it to Melania and he said it a few other times that like, he just didn't want to do the show without me.
00:11:21Guest:Yeah.
00:11:21Guest:So if I had said, I'm not going to do it and I'll help you to keep doing whatever it is you want to do, but you're going to have to keep going forward without me, then...
00:11:31Guest:That would have been something else.
00:11:33Guest:He would not have done it as this show.
00:11:35Guest:And I don't think he would have done it, period.
00:11:37Guest:I think that's basically where we're at now, frankly.
00:11:40Guest:I mean, without me having to put an ultimatum out there, I just think that's where it's at.
00:11:45Guest:It's like he knows this is ending.
00:11:47Guest:He knows this is winding up.
00:11:48Guest:He knows it's good for him to do that and for him to clear his head and have some self-reflection, some downtime, some space.
00:11:56Guest:which I was really encouraged about in the way he talked about that in his, you know, intro for the Thursday episode.
00:12:04Guest:But I also think he'll be back at it pretty quickly in some way, shape or form.
00:12:08Guest:I don't know what form that's going to take.
00:12:10Guest:I don't know if that means he does, you know, more stuff on Instagram or he does legitimately another podcast where he starts doing like live conversations with people on, you know, stage shows.
00:12:20Guest:He's going to do stuff like that.
00:12:22Guest:I have no doubt about that, but that's,
00:12:26Guest:where it would have been if I had to put my foot down and be like, no, dude, I have to end.
00:12:30Guest:I'm done.
00:12:31Guest:It's like me quitting.
00:12:33Guest:I'm finished.
00:12:34Guest:And he would have had to then go find some other way to do it.
00:12:37Guest:So we didn't have to get to that point where it was an ultimatum, but we're essentially in the same position.
00:12:42Guest:We're going to stop doing this show.
00:12:44Guest:And like he said in the announcement, I'm not going away.
00:12:48Guest:He's not...
00:12:49Guest:you know, a hermit in retirement.
00:12:51Guest:Now he's, he's still, but you're going to see more of this guy over the next year than you've ever seen.
00:12:56Guest:He's like in a television show, he's got a documentary, he's got a movie, he's a voice in a cartoon.
00:13:02Guest:And then all those things are going to re regenerate themselves.
00:13:06Guest:You don't think they're going to do the bad guys three.
00:13:08Guest:If this one is successful, you don't think to do more seasons of this golf show.
00:13:12Guest:Like he's, he's a person in entertainment now.
00:13:16Marc:Right.
00:13:17Marc:Right.
00:13:18Marc:Yeah.
00:13:18Marc:So we know what Mark's doing immediately after.
00:13:22Marc:Well, how about you, my guy?
00:13:24Marc:You know, the full Marin listeners have grown to, you know, they loved you before, but, you know, they know you quite intimately.
00:13:33Marc:What are you going to do?
00:13:33Marc:Like, what are your plans to, like, walk the earth?
00:13:36Guest:What's the end of Avengers Infinity Wars where the Thanos just like sits in a large field.
00:13:44Guest:Yeah.
00:13:44Guest:Yeah.
00:13:46Guest:And takes a break after he just snapped half the planet, half the universe into oblivion.
00:13:53Guest:I feel like that.
00:13:54Guest:I feel like I would be like Thanos.
00:13:56Guest:Yeah.
00:13:57Guest:Yeah.
00:13:57Guest:I mean, I've said to most people to say, what are you going to do next?
00:14:01Guest:It's very weird.
00:14:03Guest:Well, first of all, I currently have a job that I do every day in the morning for MSNBC.
00:14:10Guest:I'm still doing that job for however long it exists.
00:14:14Guest:I don't know how long that exists.
00:14:15Guest:It's a media job.
00:14:16Guest:It comes and goes.
00:14:17Guest:They don't last forever.
00:14:19Guest:I've been fortunate to have that one and hang on to it as a
00:14:24Guest:It's you know, I think you could basically call it a consultant role, but it requires me to be in a meeting every day.
00:14:30Guest:And then my work is done at 10 a.m.
00:14:32Guest:with them.
00:14:33Guest:So I'm nice.
00:14:34Guest:You know, I'm working in the morning and work till 10 a.m.
00:14:36Guest:And then that's that for I put that that work to bed for the day and I usually move on to WTF stuff.
00:14:43Guest:And so I'll still be doing that.
00:14:45Guest:And then when it's about what's the rest of the day like, and I don't know nor care.
00:14:50Guest:I'm excited about what the rest of the day would be like because as I've been telling people who ask me that, I'm like, if I didn't have that ability in 2009 to not know what was next, we wouldn't have started this show.
00:15:06Guest:So I need to not know.
00:15:08Guest:I need to be okay with not knowing.
00:15:10Guest:I need to just be...
00:15:12Guest:open to anything and, and enjoy myself and, uh, follow my interests and follow what is something that I can passionately invest my time in.
00:15:22Guest:And that could be like, well, I just, you know, uh, read the entire works of, uh, James Joyce, you know, like it doesn't have to be something I, I do for, uh, an immediate turnaround of, of a career or business or anything like that.
00:15:38Guest:I just, I, I have to, um,
00:15:41Guest:take some time and, and re center.
00:15:43Guest:And that will be great.
00:15:44Guest:I, I can't tell you how excited I am to do that.
00:15:47Guest:That's, that's really all I've ever wanted to do is, is just like when, uh, we started the podcast, I remember going, I was, you know, it's right after break room live ended.
00:15:57Guest:Uh, I had no,
00:15:59Guest:you know, job actually locked down.
00:16:01Guest:Although I was already in a conversation with Sirius to come in there and start working with Rosie O'Donnell, but I wasn't locking down a job yet.
00:16:09Guest:And Mark and I were starting already to develop what would become WTF.
00:16:14Guest:And I remember going out for a drink with Dan Pashman and,
00:16:18Guest:And I was I was a little like I wasn't sure I was going to take that serious job, even if it was offered, even though it's like pretty clearly going to be offered to me.
00:16:27Guest:And he was like, why are you crazy?
00:16:29Guest:It's a recession right now.
00:16:30Guest:We just, you know, had the worst economic downturn in our lifetimes and take a job, get a job.
00:16:37Guest:And I was like, yeah, but I just you know what?
00:16:40Guest:I like what I'm doing now much more.
00:16:43Guest:And he was like, what?
00:16:45Guest:I'm like, I mean, this right now.
00:16:47Guest:I spent the day working on building this thing out with Mark, and now I'm coming here talking to you.
00:16:53Guest:That's much better for me than going to a job.
00:16:58Guest:So I don't have any concerns whatsoever.
00:17:01Guest:People are so...
00:17:02Guest:when I say that to them.
00:17:04Guest:They're like, nah, I don't know.
00:17:06Guest:You're going to want something.
00:17:07Guest:No, I'm not going to want something.
00:17:09Guest:I'm not going to... There is nothing in me that needs me to have a thing.
00:17:14Guest:Something will happen.
00:17:15Guest:It's fine.
00:17:17Marc:Sure.
00:17:17Marc:I mean, you have to know that that is the antithesis of everyone else on the planet, right?
00:17:26Marc:No.
00:17:27Marc:Why?
00:17:27Marc:No, of course it's not.
00:17:29Marc:Most people just...
00:17:30Marc:Most people just want to do what they enjoy.
00:17:34Marc:100%.
00:17:35Marc:But they don't get to do that.
00:17:37Marc:They do a job.
00:17:38Marc:They do a whatever job it is, a truck driver, post office person.
00:17:44Marc:There's a job that they do for some reason five days a week, which doesn't make sense to me.
00:17:49Marc:But anyway, they do that because they have to pay bills.
00:17:53Marc:Yeah.
00:17:53Guest:Well, sure.
00:17:54Guest:But I mean, even.
00:17:55Guest:All right.
00:17:55Guest:So when I was when I was 21 years old, I had my first job out of college and I was doing the night shift at the radio station.
00:18:05Guest:I think I made twenty eight thousand bucks and it was the greatest.
00:18:12Guest:I was like, this is this is.
00:18:15Guest:The shit, man.
00:18:16Guest:I have life by the balls.
00:18:18Guest:Like, you know, I think I had like a budget of like $100 a week.
00:18:21Guest:Like that's what I can put in my pocket to be okay with and still, you know, meet my rent, meet utilities, student loans, all that stuff.
00:18:29Guest:And...
00:18:30Guest:it was, I never once was like, this sucks, man.
00:18:34Guest:This is hard.
00:18:36Guest:And part of the reason was I got this job that let me work at night.
00:18:41Guest:And during the day, I just did whatever I wanted.
00:18:43Guest:I was enjoying life in New York city.
00:18:46Guest:And I remember walking with a friend of mine who had a office, uh, like, like, uh, uh, early Fridays in the summer.
00:18:54Guest:Like he got out at like two o'clock.
00:18:56Guest:So we had some overlap where I wasn't working.
00:18:58Guest:He wasn't working.
00:18:59Guest:And
00:18:59Guest:We went and walked.
00:19:00Guest:We were walking like on the Hudson River, sat and looked out at the water, looking at like the Colgate clock or whatever.
00:19:06Guest:And, you know, the job had been doing my job there for about a year or whatever, maybe less.
00:19:13Guest:And he was like, so how are things?
00:19:15Guest:How are things going?
00:19:16Guest:And I was like, honestly, dude,
00:19:18Guest:If it could just be this for the rest of my life, I would be totally fine.
00:19:22Guest:Like I would be perfectly satisfied because this right now is what I care about way more than any career or any kind of ambition.
00:19:34Guest:Like I'm perfectly happy to go, you know, be enterprising and go try to do things.
00:19:40Guest:But like I would much more like to go to a museum with you right now.
00:19:44Guest:you know, or like, we're, we're going to, you know, look at this architecture down at the end of the battery, you know, or where the, where the Titanic came in, you know, or was supposed to come in rather.
00:19:54Marc:I was going to say, what world are you living in?
00:19:57Guest:Ghostbusters 2.
00:19:58Guest:Yeah.
00:20:00Guest:have you ever seen that gate?
00:20:02Guest:There's a big gate on the West side highway that it's where the Titanic was supposed to show up.
00:20:07Marc:Is it over by the Jewish museum?
00:20:10Guest:No, it's by that new park.
00:20:12Guest:That's like out in the water.
00:20:13Guest:Those like, those like, those like,
00:20:15Marc:Oh, I always get the name wrong.
00:20:18Marc:My wife always mistakes me.
00:20:20Marc:It's like Tiny Island, I want to say.
00:20:21Guest:Yeah, something like that.
00:20:22Guest:Little Island, I think it's called.
00:20:23Guest:Yeah, right.
00:20:24Marc:No, I don't think I've ever seen those gates then.
00:20:28Guest:Yeah, it's a big gate.
00:20:29Guest:And it's like, yep, they should have shown up here.
00:20:33Marc:Still waiting.
00:20:35Marc:Still waiting.
00:20:37Marc:Yeah.
00:20:37Marc:Oh, man.
00:20:37Marc:Well, okay.
00:20:38Marc:So, yeah.
00:20:39Guest:But so, yeah.
00:20:39Guest:So, I mean, like, I understand what you're saying, and I'm not begrudging anyone not having that position, but I don't think that's rare.
00:20:46Guest:I don't think I have some rare, like, viewpoint.
00:20:50Guest:I think that I, whether or not I had this podcast, as I mentioned to Mark, like, part of it was, like, when I got my job at MSNBC, and I'm like, oh, great.
00:21:00Guest:I can be a career...
00:21:02Guest:you know, NBCU worker with a pension and whatever.
00:21:06Guest:And then that's fine.
00:21:07Guest:Then by the time I'm 66, I'll be retired or whatnot.
00:21:10Guest:And I'll be, you know, totally free of any kind of daily work.
00:21:15Guest:And in the meantime, I'm doing a job.
00:21:16Guest:That's fine.
00:21:17Guest:It's good job, good work.
00:21:19Guest:And,
00:21:19Guest:And I can pursue my other interests at other times.
00:21:23Guest:I did not think about job, career, ambition as something that had any value over the rest of my life.
00:21:31Guest:It just didn't.
00:21:32Guest:It was whatever was going to interest me and whatever was going to come.
00:21:35Guest:And I don't think that's rare.
00:21:37Guest:I don't think that's... I think it's just fortunate that I got the opportunity to actually...
00:21:44Guest:let the ball bounce in that direction and follow through on those impulses.
00:21:49Guest:But I think most people have those impulses.
00:21:52Marc:Yeah, I think, and fortunate is a very good word.
00:21:54Marc:But yeah, I'm just so, I am so happy for the both of you.
00:22:01Marc:And to be honest with you, when I heard the pod and Mark's reasoning, and then the bonus episode, my first thought was, oh, I hope it's not my fault.
00:22:13Marc:I hope I'm not tarnishing this legacy.
00:22:18Marc:Why would that ever even come into your head?
00:22:22Marc:Because of the way my brain works is that I ruined something.
00:22:27Marc:So yeah, it's...
00:22:29Guest:Okay, but I mean, like, it's not like you're on the main show.
00:22:34Guest:Oh, thank God.
00:22:35Marc:We're all happy for that.
00:22:37Guest:But I mean, what would that even mean?
00:22:38Guest:How would that even, how would you be, like, follow that thought through?
00:22:43Marc:Oh, I have.
00:22:44Marc:So the math I did was, well, they're really burned out.
00:22:49Marc:And Brendan's probably really burned out from having to listen to my ramblings for the past two years, you know?
00:22:57Guest:No, I'm less burned out because of you.
00:23:01Guest:Honestly, because it's like if I had to shoulder this all myself, you know, or with someone who wasn't as comfortable a fit for me, because I was going to have to hire somebody to do some work on the Friday show and on the bonus content somehow.
00:23:17Guest:So, you know, it's like if it wasn't you, it would have been somebody that's more work for me.
00:23:22Guest:And this is much easier.
00:23:24Guest:So if anything, you caused it to go longer.
00:23:28Marc:That's nice, I think.
00:23:33Marc:I hope you do podcasts more because I listen to you on this show and on these movie podcasts that you're the guest on and really enjoy it.
00:23:43Marc:I hope that's in your future.
00:23:45Guest:Maybe.
00:23:46Guest:I'd be happy to be a guest on somebody's show and whatnot.
00:23:50Guest:I would like to not make any podcasts going forward.
00:23:55Marc:It's like someone who's just had a diet of, I don't know, pasta every day for a week.
00:24:02Marc:Like, hey, you know what I love?
00:24:03Marc:Not pasta.
00:24:04Guest:Yeah, I mean, I'm so down.
00:24:06Guest:Like, I barely listen to any podcast anymore, ever.
00:24:12Marc:Well, you were pretty light on your podcasting habits anyway.
00:24:17Guest:I mean, but dwindling to the point where now it's like virtually zero.
00:24:21Guest:Like, I mean, I'll listen.
00:24:22Guest:I guess more what it's like is like one-offs.
00:24:27Guest:Like, if I see something where I'm like, oh, that individual episode, I will listen to it, you know?
00:24:33Guest:Yeah.
00:24:33Guest:Yeah.
00:24:34Guest:I should point out, and some people have been writing in to ask this, obviously, you know, we don't yet have an answer for you about what this would mean for this subscription service here.
00:24:45Guest:Now, frankly, I can, you know, you give you some context clues to point you in the direction of what might happen, because like I said, I'm not going to be continuing to produce new shows, but that doesn't mean there won't still be a subscription option for
00:25:02Guest:that includes archives, that includes curation of the archives, that includes even new material, just won't be me involved with it.
00:25:10Guest:So that is stuff that's all working out.
00:25:12Guest:All I can say to you is, like, if you got your subscription now and you like it, it's going to keep being this until the main WTF show is done.
00:25:22Guest:And before that, with advance notice, you will know whatever it's going to be from that.
00:25:28Guest:So, you know, going forward, it's...
00:25:31Guest:it's it's it's still up in the air we still gotta you know make sure we have the right deal for us and i will say 100 my uh priority is the stewardship of the the show and preserving it and its legacy so i'm i'm not concerned with um you know some kind of
00:25:52Guest:extravagant deal or whatever for it.
00:25:54Guest:I want it to just be taken care of.
00:25:57Guest:And Mark feels the same way.
00:25:58Guest:And that's, you know, we're just going to make sure that that happens.
00:26:01Guest:And if that includes a subscription service that provides it without commercials or, you know, gives you bonus material, great.
00:26:10Guest:If that's not necessary, but we're going to just have it available for all people at all times, that's great too.
00:26:16Guest:We will do whatever makes the most sense.
00:26:18Marc:Nice.
00:26:19Marc:And I can't believe that the documentary...
00:26:24Guest:was on for so you know where the cameras were on for so long and they didn't even cover the possibility of ending the show like yeah holy shit that's i will say though it's it's it's okay because the the podcast is not a pretty the podcast is a footnote in the documentary oh really on purpose like it's not a cradle to grave documentary
00:26:50Guest:You know, in the sense that, you know, like I just watched in this Pee Wee Herman one.
00:26:54Guest:Oh, my God.
00:26:55Guest:It surely is because he dies during the making of it.
00:26:58Guest:Yeah.
00:26:58Guest:But but, you know, most that's a term for documentaries that are just going to cover someone's whole life, you know, and even if it's a life still being lived, they'll go from the full arc to give you the sense that you got the total picture of this person.
00:27:14Guest:I think the documentary, Are We Good?, is really, you know, was really just intended to be a thing following Mark around after COVID.
00:27:23Guest:And how did he get his act on its feet, right?
00:27:26Guest:And I think what happened was Steve Fine Arts, the director...
00:27:31Guest:Yeah.
00:27:47Guest:And so a good way to tell that story is to be like, look at this guy, look where he was at, look where he came from.
00:27:54Guest:And you get glimpses into his life, into like, so if you never heard of Marc Maron before and you're watching this, you're like, oh, okay, this was the guy who started the podcast and he had Obama on, right?
00:28:06Guest:Oh, okay, he was on TV, he did that show Glow, right?
00:28:10Guest:Like you get those glimpses to give you some support and some context in this larger story of, is this guy gonna be able to,
00:28:17Guest:you know, pull his life back together after getting pummeled.
00:28:22Guest:Right.
00:28:23Guest:Yeah.
00:28:23Guest:And, and so it's really that story.
00:28:26Guest:It's that specific point in time.
00:28:29Guest:If the podcast ended while he was making the documentary, I don't even know that it would be much of a, a part of it.
00:28:36Guest:It might be like that, you know,
00:28:38Guest:when they talk about the podcast as they do at points in the film it's talked about in the past you know oh well then when i had my podcast whatever blah blah blah yeah but at this point it's just not really relevant to the story uh i will say oh man i gotta be i'd be careful because i don't even want to leave too many breadcrumbs for this there's something we cannot announce yet oh
00:29:04Guest:But it will tell the full story of the podcast.
00:29:09Guest:I think that's the best way that I can put it.
00:29:11Guest:Okay.
00:29:12Guest:And it will be available to everyone.
00:29:15Guest:It will be something, I think, especially if you're a fan of this show...
00:29:20Guest:And you're looking forward to things that might happen in the future with it, what it might be.
00:29:25Guest:That's the best teaser I can give you without breaking any kind of things I've signed, saying that there is something that will tell the story of the podcast.
00:29:34Marc:Look at that.
00:29:35Marc:Brendan just wrapped a very nice present for all of us.
00:29:40Marc:And he's just sticking it under that tree.
00:29:42Marc:You'll open that later.
00:29:44Guest:Yes, exactly.
00:29:44Marc:Open that gift later.
00:29:46Marc:It's not the season yet.
00:29:47Marc:Yes, yes.
00:29:48Marc:We've got to wait a little bit.
00:29:50Marc:Leaves have to change, perhaps?
00:29:52Marc:Yeah, yeah.
00:29:52Marc:You know, this week I drove down and back up to Washington, D.C.
00:29:59Marc:for a barbecue for one of Erin's friends.
00:30:02Marc:And I asked her to turn on episode 200.
00:30:05Marc:Oh, the Birbiglia one.
00:30:08Marc:Yes.
00:30:09Marc:And it's interesting.
00:30:10Marc:That episode, and I kind of just wanted to hear to the very intro what you were talking about on last week's episode.
00:30:16Marc:Which was delightful, like delicious.
00:30:19Marc:I remember that correctly, right?
00:30:22Marc:100%.
00:30:23Marc:I didn't even have my headphones on.
00:30:27Marc:I was just cracking up.
00:30:30Marc:But in that episode was very telling.
00:30:34Marc:And first of all, that was episode 200.
00:30:37Guest:Yeah, that was episode 200, and to me, it already felt epic.
00:30:40Guest:Yes.
00:30:41Guest:That feels like, I was like, oh, God, are we dying?
00:30:44Guest:What's going on here?
00:30:45Guest:This is like an amazing tribute.
00:30:48Marc:You've done over 1,400 episodes since then.
00:30:52Marc:Yeah.
00:30:53Marc:It's...
00:30:53Marc:It's unbelievable.
00:30:55Marc:It's like from Digstown, what you did couldn't be done.
00:31:01Marc:That's you and what you and Mark did.
00:31:05Marc:But anyway, in that episode, Mark has this very poetic way of talking about what he's doing and what he's doing as a comedian.
00:31:18Marc:And he said, the best thing you can do as a comedian is two things.
00:31:22Marc:Make someone see something in a different way or you make people feel less alone.
00:31:28Marc:And I got to say, Brendan, you and Mark have definitely done those two things in spades.
00:31:35Marc:Thanks, man.
00:31:36Marc:You have absolutely made people see something in a different light.
00:31:42Marc:And you both have made us all feel less alone.
00:31:48Marc:And I really do appreciate and love the work that you have dedicated.
00:31:54Marc:How many years has it been?
00:31:56Marc:14 years?
00:31:57Guest:Almost 16, yeah.
00:31:58Marc:Oh, my God.
00:31:59Marc:So much of your life.
00:32:01Marc:And I'm just so happy that there is a catalog to it.
00:32:06Marc:You know how many times in life there's just no record of you doing a thing?
00:32:12Marc:Yeah, right, right.
00:32:14Marc:Every year I do a picture book for my wife.
00:32:17Marc:It's like I'm making a scrapbook every year.
00:32:19Marc:And we have a catalog of them.
00:32:23Marc:And it's just so nice to know that that's there, to be able to pick it up, point to it, and be like, oh, look, remember this?
00:32:30Marc:And I'm just so thankful for this pod and the work that you both did.
00:32:36Guest:Thank you, man.
00:32:36Guest:I mean, I fully appreciate that.
00:32:39Guest:I also agree with it.
00:32:40Guest:Like I was definitely the motivator.
00:32:42Guest:The motivator was like, hey, if there's if there's one person listening to this, I know it sounds cliche, but it's like if there's one person listening to this that it helped out, then it's worth it.
00:32:52Guest:Like and, you know, you know, I'm not doing it as a charity.
00:32:55Guest:Obviously, it was a commercial business.
00:32:57Guest:We made money off of it.
00:32:59Guest:But that's why we did that and why I didn't go into investment banking or something.
00:33:04Guest:I'm like, we can do this, and this is a business, but at the same time, it's providing something for people, and it's providing it for them in the way we can do it.
00:33:15Guest:Our skills, Mark's skill as an entertainer, as a person who does it publicly—
00:33:19Guest:And me as a person who can help shape that and give it some good presentation, we can provide something here.
00:33:27Guest:And if it's just laughing, that's awesome.
00:33:30Guest:But if it's something deeper than that, that's even better.
00:33:32Marc:Yeah, 100%.
00:33:33Marc:And man, I was just thinking now, it was just like...
00:33:36Marc:Man, when some other podcasts hang it up, they'll probably be thinking of all the harm that they've done.
00:33:43Marc:But for you guys, I'm so glad you guys have the opposite side.
00:33:48Guest:That is a very cool thing, too.
00:33:50Guest:Yeah.
00:33:50Guest:I mean, I did wonder for a period of time.
00:33:52Guest:I've said this before.
00:33:53Guest:It's not something new that I'm saying.
00:33:55Guest:But, like, during the, like, the Me Too movement, when it, you know, obviously, we should always be a Me Too movement.
00:34:02Guest:Like, we should have that, there should be a permanent shift.
00:34:06Guest:But at the time when there was a reckoning about it, like, I was like, oh, did we...
00:34:12Guest:Were we a part of that?
00:34:13Guest:Like, did we elevate people on judgmentally, like without without reservation that we should have had, you know?
00:34:22Guest:And I don't know.
00:34:24Guest:I've had enough people tell me to give myself a break on that.
00:34:30Guest:that I believe them, but I still don't know that I fully give myself a break on it.
00:34:35Guest:Like, it's like, you know, we could have been more critical or we could have, we don't have stuff in the show.
00:34:43Guest:Like some people do where you're like, if you play it again, you're like, Oh Jesus, like these guys, they just did not care.
00:34:50Guest:Right.
00:34:51Guest:But I do hear some stuff in the older episodes that I'm like, yeah, that wasn't, we didn't have the full, uh,
00:34:59Guest:uh sensitivity to that kind of stuff that we should have had you know at the time i mean but that's growth i guess yeah that's growth man like when i was 18 i'm not the same person i am now you know so like i feel like yeah and it happens when you're now you're living it out publicly like mark has been like he's gotta he's got an interview coming up with um
00:35:20Guest:comedian Jenna Friedman and they talk about this kind of thing and you know because she says like you've evolved like you're a different person than when I first met you where I thought you might have been like you know
00:35:36Guest:not okay you know and she's like i don't think that's the case and i think it's because you're a you're a person who has growth and you have you know you've you've you've shown an ability to have self-reflection and introspection that and and um ability to speak out and say what is and isn't right you know yeah yeah
00:35:57Marc:So I need to know, like, was it intentional that or just happenstance that that John was the guest to tell for the first time that Mark is ending the show?
00:36:13Guest:It could have been several.
00:36:15Guest:It could have been Nick Kroll if we wanted it to be.
00:36:17Marc:I felt bad for Nick.
00:36:18Marc:Nick was there and he didn't get the news?
00:36:22Guest:No, it just wound up being who we lined it up with.
00:36:25Guest:But in terms of the people who...
00:36:29Guest:once Mark and I knew what we were doing, we couldn't just blurt it out and announce it.
00:36:34Guest:We had to make sure that we weren't going to disrupt any existing partnerships that we have.
00:36:39Guest:We weren't going to cause any friction with things that had not yet been contractually received or completed.
00:36:49Guest:So we just had to get everything in line.
00:36:51Guest:We had to
00:36:52Guest:We had to keep it in a very, very tight circle of just like, you know, Mark's management team and, you know, our spouses or his girlfriend.
00:37:02Guest:You know, in the meantime, we have to have talks about, you know, how things are moving forward, right?
00:37:08Guest:Like, are we able to continue...
00:37:12Guest:The way that the archives are presented, all these things.
00:37:16Guest:So, you know, I don't want, we didn't want anything to disrupt those conversations or the ability for us to feel confident that the show will have a landing place, even when we're done doing it regularly.
00:37:29Guest:So like all of that meant...
00:37:31Guest:hold off and have a certain date for an announcement so we did and we had that date for the announcement then we knew what guests would be booked around that announcement and then John just made perfect sense to be the guy like yeah it could have been him and you'll hear Seth Meyers coming up next week and I think he was in there the next day so he was like guy number two and he is just like you he had it was very funny why is that
00:38:01Guest:I'm giving this away, but it's fine.
00:38:03Guest:It's a little bonus for you here.
00:38:05Guest:He's like, you know, because Mark tells him and he's like, it's funny because when I heard that I was booked back on here, he said, my first thought was, they're running out of people.
00:38:20Guest:Yeah.
00:38:22Guest:He's like, they wouldn't invite me back if they weren't running out of people.
00:38:27Guest:And he's like, and I, I, I have to admit when you just told me that you were ending it, he's like, Oh no, it is because they're running out of people.
00:38:37Guest:It must be me.
00:38:38Guest:Like, it must be like, Oh man, we're having Myers back.
00:38:42Guest:This is going to close this thing down.
00:38:45Marc:We're circling the drain, man.
00:38:49Marc:That's great.
00:38:51Marc:Oh, that's wonderful.
00:38:53Marc:I can't wait to listen to that.
00:38:54Guest:Yeah, so you're not alone in your immediate thinking that you broke it.
00:38:58Marc:Yes.
00:38:59Marc:Oh, good.
00:39:00Marc:I think it's a very human thing, all right?
00:39:02Marc:There's a certain type of person who is like, oh, no, I touched the one card and the whole thing fell down.
00:39:09Guest:Yeah, if I could recommend anything with the salary that you've been making from this, you'll get some therapy around that.
00:39:15Marc:Yes.
00:39:15Guest:some better help maybe figure out what that is so that you don't do that the next time you have a job.
00:39:23Marc:I mean, I'm old.
00:39:24Marc:I'm, I'm older now.
00:39:25Marc:Like, you know, this is, you know, like my next place, like, you know, that, that'll be it.
00:39:31Marc:Right.
00:39:32Marc:Like, it's funny when I was listening to the bonus pod and, uh, uh, I, I've recently had conversations with, uh, with my wife about like, like, what do you want to do when we get like old, old?
00:39:44Marc:Yeah.
00:39:44Marc:And like,
00:39:45Marc:And she's like, well, I don't know.
00:39:47Marc:I like my job.
00:39:48Marc:I can see doing that.
00:39:49Marc:I'm like, yeah, but you do that job a lot.
00:39:51Marc:And she's like, well, what do you want to do?
00:39:54Marc:I'm like, honestly, I would love to be a projectionist at a movie theater.
00:40:01Marc:That's like...
00:40:03Marc:I don't know, what do I want to spend my time doing?
00:40:05Marc:Like being around movies, talking about movies?
00:40:08Marc:Like sounds great, you know?
00:40:10Marc:And she's like, yeah, too bad that's a push of a button now.
00:40:13Marc:But like you have to go to like some old timey movie theater.
00:40:16Marc:So if you ever build or create that movie theater, Brendan, I will try to learn to be a projectionist.
00:40:24Guest:Well, so here's the thing.
00:40:26Guest:Everybody has to have a thing, right?
00:40:29Guest:And so, although I have no reason to ever play the lottery in the rest of my life, and I don't typically do it, I've never done it really in my life, other than like, you know, every now and then someone gives you a scratch card when you, you know, get a birthday gift or something.
00:40:42Marc:Sure.
00:40:42Marc:Or like the work thing where it's like, Hey, put it in a buck and we'll, yeah, exactly.
00:40:46Guest:Right.
00:40:46Guest:Right.
00:40:47Guest:So, so, so although I have no means to ever buy a movie theater presently, uh, and will not, not have any plans to do that in my life.
00:40:56Guest:That's the, like, even I have a pie in the sky goal, right?
00:41:00Guest:Like if I hit the lotto, if I come upon some untold fortune, uh, then yes, we will start that movie theater business together.
00:41:10Guest:It's always good to have the little dream, right?
00:41:12Guest:Absolutely.
00:41:12Guest:Absolutely.
00:41:12Guest:But to be a projectionist, you don't need to worry about that.
00:41:15Guest:You could go do that anywhere.
00:41:17Guest:That's true.
00:41:17Guest:That's the thing.
00:41:18Guest:Everybody's got to have that.
00:41:20Guest:It's how I look at it, too.
00:41:21Guest:It's like nobody questioned Homer when he said, I'm done.
00:41:25Guest:I'm going to go work at the bowling alley for the rest of my life.
00:41:28Guest:Everybody got it.
00:41:29Marc:Right.
00:41:29Marc:See, I thought you were talking about the guy who wrote the books.
00:41:31Marc:But no, you're talking about Homer Simpson.
00:41:34Guest:No, I'm talking about the more important one.
00:41:37Guest:Homer Simpson.
00:41:39Guest:He, uh, you know, he gets out of debt and he's like, I'm going to go do my dream, which is just to work at a bowling alley.
00:41:46Guest:And everyone's like, yup, makes sense to me.
00:41:48Guest:Like that's, that's how it should be.
00:41:51Guest:Everybody just get what you talk to.
00:41:52Guest:Oh, okay.
00:41:53Guest:Yeah.
00:41:53Guest:That's what you're, you don't have these financial obligations anymore, but you just need to be able to hit this.
00:41:59Guest:Go do that then.
00:42:00Marc:Yeah.
00:42:01Marc:Or, or it can be like Frank Grimes.
00:42:02Marc:Like I live on top of a bowling alley.
00:42:04Marc:That's on top of another bowling.
00:42:06Marc:Yes.
00:42:07Right.
00:42:07Marc:Well, I think I covered most of the questions and, uh, if there are others, I'm sure our listeners are going to fill out the form that's on the, uh, the details.
00:42:19Guest:Yeah, please.
00:42:19Guest:If you have questions about things that we talked about here or anything that's outstanding regarding this, uh, let me know.
00:42:25Guest:I w I want to say I've have gotten the comments from people who are really, no one's really writing in with questions outside of what's going to happen to the, the full Marin feed.
00:42:34Guest:Uh,
00:42:34Guest:mostly just seeing some great messages and nice well wishes.
00:42:37Guest:And I would, I would like to compile those.
00:42:39Guest:And maybe at some point when we're closer to the end, I'll, I'll read them down the line.
00:42:43Guest:I don't want to get into the habit of this being like a eulogy every show, right.
00:42:47Guest:Or like bum people out.
00:42:49Guest:Like we are still just doing this like till the, till the end.
00:42:52Guest:So, uh, you know, we can take this week to do some, you know, uh, actual, um,
00:42:58Guest:You know, business on it, but but then we'll just we'll move forward.
00:43:01Guest:So, yes, if you want any questions answered, go to the episode description and you can click on the link.
00:43:08Guest:Send me your comments, your questions, your your topics, including topics like this.
00:43:14Guest:I saw this come in from Lorenzo, who heard us talking about Glenn Gary Glenn Ross last week.
00:43:21Guest:And no, Lorenzo, I did not see the other Broadway revivals that happened recently.
00:43:27Guest:There was the one where Liev Schreiber played Roma.
00:43:30Guest:There was one where Bobby Cannavale played him.
00:43:33Guest:I didn't get to see those ones, but I think that's the one where Pacino played Shelley.
00:43:39Guest:You know, Pacino plays Roma in the in the movie and he played Shelley in one of the revivals.
00:43:44Guest:I never got to see that.
00:43:46Guest:But but Lorenzo said so many memorable lines in the movie that are often quoted.
00:43:51Guest:But one of my favorite line deliveries is when Ed Harris's character is trying to convince Alan Arkin's character to steal the leads.
00:43:58Guest:And he smirks wide eyed and says, I have an alibi.
00:44:01Guest:I'm at the Como Inn.
00:44:03Guest:Nothing memorable about the line in and of itself, but of course the delivery is so good and that you're speaking my language because like I have that so frequently where there is something I wind up saying in regular rotation in my life and it is not a memorable line.
00:44:20Guest:It is just some standard piece of dialogue that I picked out because I liked the way the person said it and I say it forever or it just comes up in my head forever.
00:44:30Guest:I think the one that I say all the time.
00:44:33Guest:is Marge Gunderson in Fargo is on the phone with somebody asking about where she can go have lunch because she's going to meet that guy, Mike Yanagida, in Minnesota, wherever she is, do an investigation.
00:44:51Guest:And the person tells her to... You only hear her end of the conversation.
00:44:56Guest:And the person must say, like, oh, well, there's a buffet at the Radisson.
00:45:01Guest:And she goes, oh, the Radisson?
00:45:04Guest:Is it reasonable?
00:45:05Guest:And I say that whenever people bring up a dinner or something, like, oh, well, we're thinking about going to this place.
00:45:12Guest:Oh, is it reasonable?
00:45:13Guest:I don't know why.
00:45:15Guest:I mean, I do know why.
00:45:16Guest:It's how she says it.
00:45:17Guest:It's like this...
00:45:18Guest:perfectly as it's also, it's like a perfectly logical little question to ask in that moment.
00:45:24Guest:And it's memorable because you're like, yeah, that's what you would ask.
00:45:27Guest:You would ask like, and that's a fun way to phrase it too, as opposed to like, how much is it going to cost or whatever?
00:45:34Guest:Is it reasonable?
00:45:35Guest:It's so perfectly Midwestern and polite.
00:45:37Guest:So I just, I wind up saying that all the time.
00:45:40Guest:And the other one that always is in my head as just like, why do I find that amazingly funny thing?
00:45:46Guest:is in vacation when, uh, they go to the campgrounds and it's, uh, Brian Doyle Murray is the guy, uh, who's running the campground and, uh, you know, Bill Murray's brother and he's, he's eating a watermelon slice.
00:46:04Guest:So he's got his mouth full of watermelon the whole time.
00:46:07Guest:And, uh,
00:46:08Guest:And Chevy Chase is like filling out the form to stay there.
00:46:11Guest:And he gets to his address and he's like, address, why do you need my address?
00:46:16Guest:And with like a mouthful of watermelon, Brian Doyle Murray says, we like to send out a mailer.
00:46:23Guest:And then it cuts the scene cuts like it's almost like it cuts because that's a joke.
00:46:28Guest:It's not a joke.
00:46:30Guest:It's there's nothing funny about that.
00:46:32Guest:There's no I don't even understand why it's in the film.
00:46:36Guest:And I don't know why.
00:46:39Guest:I'm like, oh, my God, that's the funniest thing I've ever heard.
00:46:42Guest:When you like to send out a mailer while he eats a watermelon.
00:46:47Guest:And yeah, it's the same thing as I have an alibi.
00:46:49Guest:I'm at the Como Inn.
00:46:51Guest:I'm just like, yeah, I'll remember that till the day I die.
00:46:54Guest:There's other ones in Glengarry.
00:46:56Guest:When Jack Lemmon, specifically the Jack Lemmon line delivery, he runs down Williamson, the office manager, telling him what a dumbass he is.
00:47:07Guest:And when he's finished, he's just walking away.
00:47:09Guest:And I think Jack Lemmon has like a handful of peanuts or maybe some pretzels or something.
00:47:13Guest:He's like popping them in his mouth.
00:47:14Guest:It always goes back to food.
00:47:16Guest:Like if you're able to do these kind of lines, throwaway lines with food, like the watermelon or pretzels, like it really works.
00:47:23Guest:And he just says to the guy, I'm done with you as he's eating the pretzels.
00:47:28Guest:Like, boy, you can use that forever for the rest of your life.
00:47:33Guest:That's funny.
00:47:34Guest:How about you?
00:47:35Guest:Are there ones like this that jump out of you?
00:47:37Marc:You know, I mostly talk in movie quotes.
00:47:42Marc:Right, but you talk in quotable quotes.
00:47:45Marc:Well, but to a point, there are quotes that I say for me that only I know.
00:47:52Marc:Yes.
00:47:59Marc:And like, she's like, doesn't believe me and looks it up and she gets it.
00:48:03Marc:I'm like, well, there's your answer, fish bulb.
00:48:05Marc:Like, no one else gets that.
00:48:07Guest:Well, yes, unless you're a Simpsons fan, you would know exactly what that is.
00:48:11Marc:Yes, but like, so when I talk, I talk mostly in movie lines.
00:48:16Marc:like yeah so there's there's one I always think about because you know I go to dinner and like after dinner you know you get up and you pass the hostess table and there's like a little toothpick or a mint and uh
00:48:31Marc:Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
00:48:33Marc:There's a scene where Ferris is in the bathroom talking to the camera, talking about the backstory of, what's his name?
00:48:42Guest:Cameron's car.
00:48:43Guest:His dad's car.
00:48:44Marc:Yeah, Cameron's car.
00:48:45Marc:And you're just, Cameron's a life.
00:48:46Marc:and everything and like he's just like you know talking about his his childhood and he's uh he's finally done and there there's a there's a bathroom attendant in there and uh and ferris just is done talking to us looks over to the man and he's like mint and just the way he says mint is is something i have repeated all the time that's a perfect one mint like
00:49:10Guest:you just jogged one for me that's the exact same like almost exact same it's just a different word it's in Clerks when it's right at the beginning when Randall comes in to the quickie mart or shop mart whatever it's called for the first time and he's just like you know walking around while he's talking to Dante behind the counter I forget what he's even saying but he like stops himself halfway through his sentence and he goes snack cake
00:49:40Guest:And grabs like a hostess cake.
00:49:44Guest:I say that all the time.
00:49:46Guest:And it doesn't have to be a snack cake.
00:49:49Guest:I just say it about like something I grab off of the counter.
00:49:53Marc:Yeah.
00:49:53Marc:It's like calling your shot.
00:49:55Marc:I don't know.
00:49:56Marc:Something about it.
00:49:57Marc:It's just so delicious.
00:49:59Marc:Yeah.
00:49:59Marc:More ways than one.
00:50:02Marc:I will say...
00:50:03Marc:There are movies that should be, are like, are basically like the whole thing is a quotable line.
00:50:13Marc:Right, right.
00:50:14Marc:Goodfellas has like 20 of them.
00:50:17Guest:Yes.
00:50:18Guest:Like, oh, you want to see helicopters?
00:50:20Guest:A lot of them, you're on the verge of they're too quotable, right?
00:50:24Guest:Like when you just said, you want to see helicopters.
00:50:26Guest:I've heard so many people say that.
00:50:28Guest:Like it's a quotable quote.
00:50:29Marc:Yeah, yeah.
00:50:30Marc:Or, like, stir the sauce, though.
00:50:32Marc:Like, I'll say stir the sauce.
00:50:34Marc:You know, tell Mikey to stir the sauce, you know, to my wife, who is not Mikey.
00:50:38Marc:So, yeah, you know, and, like, bye-bye, dickhead, is one of my all-time favorite things to say at a baseball game.
00:50:46Marc:Yeah, strike a guy out, yeah, or get pulled, pitcher gets pulled.
00:50:50Guest:Pitcher gets pulled.
00:50:51Guest:It's so frustrating that that's said by Bo Deedle, who's such a huge scumbag in real life, but he's so great.
00:50:57Guest:He's great in all the Scorsese movies.
00:51:00Guest:He's great in Wolf of Wall Street.
00:51:02Guest:He's great in The Irishman.
00:51:06Guest:And then, yeah, he's that cop in Goodfellas.
00:51:08Guest:What are we making a cake here?
00:51:10Guest:See you in Attica, Dick.
00:51:16Guest:My favorite Goodfellas non-quotable quote that I just love is when it's at the very end when Karen and Henry are talking to the FBI agent who's telling them they're going to need to flip and go into witness protection or they're going to be dead and
00:51:35Guest:and uh you know they're like doing their last gasp at trying to put up a fight yeah he's like don't give me the babe in the woods routine that whole thing yeah yeah and they say well what about my you know i have i have uh i have a disorder i've i'm i'm bronchial and karen's like yes he's bronchial he we have to that has to factor into where he goes and the guy says like he's all exasperated he goes if he's legitimately bronchial we'll take that into consideration yeah
00:52:04Guest:I said, I'm having a cough right now because of my allergies.
00:52:10Guest:And I said to Don the other day, I'm legitimately bronchial today.
00:52:19Guest:Great.
00:52:22Guest:I also wonder if it counts if the movie is, if it's not dialogue, but it's a documentary, if it's like real humans having said it.
00:52:31Guest:But I think it has to count because there is stuff from American movie that I say.
00:52:36Guest:You love this thing.
00:52:37Guest:All the time.
00:52:38Guest:Yeah.
00:52:38Guest:And the one that I do the most, like I do it like reflexively and I say it just like Mark Borchardt is there's a point when he's getting frustrated because he's getting hammered and wants to go drink more at the bar.
00:52:53Guest:Yeah.
00:52:53Guest:Yeah.
00:52:53Guest:And there's his mom saying no.
00:52:56Guest:And it's a kind of depressing scene that guys like alcoholism is overtaking him.
00:53:01Guest:But he he realizes that, like, nobody's taking his drunk ass to the bar at this time of night.
00:53:08Guest:And he goes, you know what?
00:53:10Guest:Weak.
00:53:13Guest:That is an all purpose for me.
00:53:16Guest:Like I will say that I will come down if like my kid had made a mess on the floor.
00:53:23Guest:I'm like, you know what?
00:53:24Guest:Weak.
00:53:25Guest:Like that one works for anything.
00:53:30Marc:For me, Philip Seymour Hoffman was one of my favorite actors.
00:53:37Marc:He just chews a scenery up.
00:53:41Marc:Him in Almost Famous, I just loved his whole monologue or kind of monologue in Almost Famous.
00:53:48Marc:About being not cool.
00:53:49Marc:Yeah, that's great.
00:53:51Marc:And like, you know, like, oh, you'll meet them all when you're all at the middle and stuff.
00:53:58Marc:And also like, you know, give me the guess who, you know, they have the courage to be drunken buffoons, which makes them poetic.
00:54:06Marc:But for me, the thing I say often is not from that movie.
00:54:11Marc:It's from the talented Mr. Ripley.
00:54:14Marc:But it's, Tommy, how's the peepin'?
00:54:17Guest:that's a great one i love i just love the way he says it i'm surprised uh that you have not brought up one i hear you say all the time and it is it is exactly this type of thing where it's a line that you know just kind of probably floats by most people and and you say it is a as an all-purpose for refusing food
00:54:41Marc:Oh, yes.
00:54:43Marc:My God.
00:54:43Marc:I mean, this is like my family is so tired of hearing me say this.
00:54:48Marc:But when I am offered something, I my line is, oh, no, thank you.
00:54:54Marc:Gives me the wins.
00:54:55Marc:Yes.
00:54:56Marc:From trading places.
00:54:57Marc:And it is an all timer of a line delivery.
00:55:02Guest:And it's also because when you say it in real life and people don't necessarily know where it comes from, they're like, pardon me?
00:55:08Marc:Or as my mother-in-law is like, oh, okay.
00:55:12Marc:Are you okay?
00:55:16Guest:My version of that, of a thing that I say to people and then they don't know why I said it or what, but like the community, the intention gets across.
00:55:26Guest:Yeah.
00:55:26Guest:But like, they're like, why do you say that?
00:55:29Guest:Is if someone is going on to me about a movie and I like, you know, did you see this?
00:55:38Guest:Yeah, yeah, it's good.
00:55:39Guest:And then they're, oh, it's so great.
00:55:41Guest:This and this and that.
00:55:42Guest:And keep going.
00:55:43Guest:My response is usually, it's a real film, Jack.
00:55:50Marc:I think about that line all the time.
00:55:52Marc:Like, all the time.
00:55:54Guest:That's Ricky Jay in Boogie Nights telling Burt Reynolds that, yes, his porno film is a masterpiece.
00:56:00Guest:Yeah.
00:56:00Marc:Yes.
00:56:02Guest:But yeah, like I've said that to people and they're like, yeah, Jack, what are you talking about?
00:56:09Guest:No, no.
00:56:09Guest:Did you forget my name all of a sudden?
00:56:12Guest:We have known each other for a long time.
00:56:14Guest:The thing I feel bad about though, is that I'm definitely saying it in the same tone as Pee Wee saying, I love that story to Francis.
00:56:22Marc:100 percent uh so the one last one is some guy named mark motherfucking marin you know like this guy who when i first knew of him he was the lock the gates guy right which we now hear on every uh main feed episode that's immortal
00:56:44Marc:But, you know, I find myself, like, just the other day, I was trying to fight this traffic ticket I got in New Jersey.
00:56:53Marc:And the court's website was, like, just a mess.
00:56:56Marc:And I couldn't figure it out.
00:56:58Marc:Had to actually call their technical assistance to be like, I'm trying to do this thing.
00:57:03Marc:Where can I do it?
00:57:04Marc:And, like, he's like, oh, yeah.
00:57:06Marc:And he pointed me in the right direction.
00:57:07Marc:And I'm just like...
00:57:08Marc:jesus why the fuck is this so complicated and and like my my inner mark came out and like you know and the guy would just laughed and i was like and he's like you know i know man i get it and he's like all right man well are we good and he's like yeah yeah we're great and like there you go are we good man is uh is timeless it is it is a thing
00:57:32Guest:I would be very happy if people can take that into the future as a kind of signature line that they take away from this show.
00:57:41Guest:All right.
00:57:41Guest:Well, I am legitimately bronchial right now, so I want to stop talking.
00:57:46Guest:But if you have anything you want to add, send in questions, comments, thoughts about what we've talked about here this week and what we have for you going forward, send it in, go to the episode description, click on the link.
00:57:56Guest:We have...
00:57:56Guest:Recorded quite a number of episodes in the past week or so.
00:58:00Guest:You've got Seth Meyers next week and the Mike Birbiglia episode that we had talked about happening.
00:58:06Guest:That was recorded.
00:58:07Guest:That's happening next week as well.
00:58:09Guest:Megan Stalter from Hacks will be on in a couple of weeks.
00:58:14Marc:All the hacks except for the one hack who's now on Broadway.
00:58:18Guest:Yeah, I know.
00:58:19Guest:She'll get the memo that she's got one more shot.
00:58:22I know.
00:58:22Marc:I love, by the way, the final season aspect of WTF.
00:58:28Guest:Yes.
00:58:28Marc:I love that you did that.
00:58:29Marc:So thank you.
00:58:31Guest:Alexander Skarsgård from the Stellar Skateboard family.
00:58:36Guest:And Sarah Sherman from SNL.
00:58:39Guest:That's already been recorded.
00:58:41Guest:Mariska Hargitay, which...
00:58:43Guest:You know, Mark is not like a Law & Order person.
00:58:47Guest:He wasn't like, oh, let's talk to Mariska Hartig to tell you about Law & Order.
00:58:51Guest:No, she just made this documentary about her mom, Jane Mansfield.
00:58:56Guest:And the documentary is amazing.
00:58:58Guest:Really?
00:58:58Guest:So, you know, it's going to be on HBO or Max, whatever.
00:59:05Guest:We will give you a heads up about that.
00:59:07Guest:And I highly recommend trying to watch the doc before she's on because they talk about it in depth and it's a really amazing story.
00:59:18Guest:Basically her discovering stuff about her life by doing this documentary about her mom.
00:59:23Guest:Pretty crazy and great.
00:59:25Guest:So you have that to look forward to.
00:59:28Guest:And then a bunch of other people that we have yet to record but are on the books.
00:59:32Guest:I think you will enjoy all of them coming up in the next few weeks as well as ones we're still working on for you.
00:59:39Guest:So stick around with us.
00:59:41Guest:We will still continue to do everything that you are used to us doing here on both the full Marin feed and the main WTF shows.
00:59:49Guest:And until then, I'm Brendan and that's Chris.
00:59:52Guest:Peace!

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