BONUS The Friday Show - Movie of the (Quarter) Century
Guest:I think it's the greatest satire ever made.
Guest:I think it is.
Guest:I think it is the absolute most spot on funniest satire ever made.
Guest:And that includes Dr. Strangelove.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:And I mean, from everything, from the moment the movie starts.
Guest:Literally the moment it starts.
Guest:I can remember it like it was yesterday.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Hey, Chris.
Guest:Hey, Brandon.
Guest:If today was yesterday, we would not have been doing this.
Guest:No.
Guest:I would have canceled.
Guest:I would have sent a little, I don't know, five-second message to the Full Marin listeners.
Guest:Sorry, couldn't record this week because we melted.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:It is luckily much cooler today than it is on Tuesday and Wednesday this week.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:For Father's Day, I was given a thing from my office here where I sit and I record.
Guest:I don't have air conditioning in this room.
Guest:We don't have central air.
Guest:Certain rooms have air conditioner splits or window units, but not in this room where I have my office.
Guest:And it's usually fine.
Guest:I have a ceiling fan.
Guest:It keeps things relatively cool.
Guest:And when it's hot in summertime, I open the window.
Guest:It could cool things off.
Guest:But like, you know, there's nothing in here to cool it.
Guest:So I was given by my family for Father's Day, this little kind of portable air conditioner unit that you just pour water in the basin of it.
Guest:And then it's supposed to like cool the room off for like two hours.
Guest:I can see a limited time or whatever.
Guest:I was trying to think of, maybe you can help me.
Guest:There is definitely like a movie where,
Guest:Probably multiple movies, probably why I'm not thinking of it, where the villain or the evil entity, whether it's an actual bad guy or whether it's a thing, it seems unbeatable.
Guest:And then at some point there's some like heroic stand being made and you're like, Oh, the good guys are here.
Guest:And they like go attack the thing and they all immediately just perish or disintegrate.
Guest:Like, I feel like it's like, uh, what isn't it?
Guest:It isn't something like that in independence day.
Guest:It's like they, they shoot the, the alien ship with a nuke.
Guest:And it doesn't even work.
Guest:Like it just like they're like, oh, no, it's still there completely.
Guest:Like nothing happened to it.
Guest:Like I feel like, oh, no, no, no.
Guest:I know exactly what it is now that I'm thinking of.
Guest:There is a scene in the lousy Kong Skull Island movie.
Guest:You know that one?
Guest:I don't.
Guest:I've never seen it.
Guest:Okay, so there is a scene, though, where, like, that movie sucks mostly because, like, it winds up not being about King Kong.
Guest:It's, like, it's just like the other Godzilla movie was, like, wound up not being about Godzilla.
Guest:It was about these, like, bugs that fuck.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:and it was terrible the the uh the kong skull island like you don't get much kong till the end and mostly it's about these like dinosaur things skull dinosaurs i don't know they're like they look like dinosaurs but they're made of skulls okay whatever yeah it sucks yeah
Guest:But there's one guy, the guy from Mission Impossible, the Shea Wingham.
Guest:Is that his name?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Yeah, sure.
Guest:Love that guy.
Guest:So he is like, you know, kind of grizzled, you know, army guy.
Guest:I don't know what you would call them.
Guest:They might be mercenaries.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:I forget.
Guest:It's really not worth remembering.
Okay.
Guest:But this one scene, I definitely, that's what I had in my head about this is that like he decides after like the whole movie where you're kind of like, not so sure about this guy.
Guest:Is he going to turn on them?
Guest:Is he going to whatever?
Guest:He decides to let like the other members of the party run ahead.
Guest:And he turns around as this like monsters coming toward him and takes hand grenades out and flips the pins.
Guest:So he's waiting for the thing to eat him.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he will blow the thing up and save everybody else.
Guest:And the thing comes over to him and he's got these things out and the music is swelling and it's like bending down to him like it's going to eat him.
Guest:And then it whips around and smashes him with its tail and sends him like a half a mile over a river, splats him into a giant cliffside, which also causes the grenades to explode.
Guest:So he's just like, it's like the most misbegotten death ever.
Guest:that's just as i'm saying that too i'm remembering the similar one in uh cabin in the woods oh sure it's chris hemsworth and he's gonna go save the day he's gonna ride his motorcycle across the ravine he's gonna make the jump and he makes the jump and he's just about halfway there and crashes into an invisible barrier that kills him uh that was what happened to my little air conditioner yesterday
Guest:Like, it's like, all right, I'm going to turn this thing on.
Guest:I'm going to cool the room off.
Guest:Just immediately dead.
Marc:Oh, RIP.
Marc:You should just get a big old ice cube and a fan or something to do that.
Marc:Yeah, it would have been more effective.
Marc:I just have a question for you.
Marc:What level of math wizard are you?
Marc:Oh, barely any.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Me, me as well.
Marc:I can do tips real well.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Tips fine.
Guest:I mean, but I, I can't like when my son needs help with math homework, I'm the one he goes to.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:Like, yeah, yeah.
Guest:Dawn is like no math for me.
Guest:No, thank you.
Guest:But, um, I couldn't say that I know I'm, I, I, I can handle, you know, whatever I've been doing with him now.
Guest:He's up to what?
Guest:Eighth grade math.
Guest:So that's fine.
Guest:But like, if you, if you start getting me into calculus and trigonometry, no dice.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:Because when Mark was talking to Jordan Kepler, did I say his name right?
Marc:Nope.
Marc:Nope.
Marc:God damn it.
Marc:I'm always like, fucking hell, hang on.
Marc:Klepper.
Marc:Yeah, Jordan Klepper.
Marc:When Mark was talking to Jordan Klepper about being a math wizard, and I was just like, man, I can't imagine a comic also being good at math.
Marc:Oh, I totally can't.
Guest:I mean, I don't know that I would say that I would have gotten that out of Jordan.
Guest:But I mean, there's there are so many comedians that I'm like, that comedian must be like a math person.
Guest:Seinfeld seems like a math person.
Guest:He seems like he puts his jokes together as equations.
Marc:See, to me, it feels like two different parts of the brain.
Marc:Of course it is.
Guest:I mean, the general idea of it, yes.
Guest:But, like, there have been multiple times where Mark and I have been talking about a certain comic, multiple, where I'm like, well, that guy's kind of like a math head in the way he does his jokes.
Guest:Like, he puts them together, like...
Guest:A formula.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Would you say Mark is like that?
Guest:No, like complete opposite.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:No, not even close.
Marc:I wonder if there is like something to like being a mathematician type of comedian versus like a workman, you know?
Marc:Because like Mark and Seinfeld kind of opposite ends of a spectrum.
Guest:100%.
Guest:I think, I mean, I would say it's less that it's like math brain and workmanlike, and it's more just like someone who works with precision, right?
Guest:Someone who needs...
Guest:who works within rules.
Guest:Like, you know, that, that like a, that grid that gets made, I think it's came from dungeons and dragons, but now it gets used for everything where it's like the neutral chaotic, neutral, you know, I don't know.
Guest:So it's, it's basically just called an alignment grid.
Guest:And it,
Guest:But, you know, people use it for everything now.
Guest:It's like a tic-tac-toe square.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So you've got nine parts, and the top part is good, the middle part is neutral, and the bottom part is evil.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:And then each...
Guest:a thing on the spectrum up top goes from lawful, neutral, chaotic.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So that you, you have like chaotic, good.
Guest:And then the opposite of that corner is lawful, evil.
Guest:And like right in the middle is true neutral.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So I do think that like comedians go on that same plane, right.
Guest:Or really probably anybody.
Guest:You could say it about athletes or actors or whatever, but like Mark is like,
Guest:chaotic good right like that's how i would put his his thing right he's not chaotic evil right but he's also not like lawful good he's not following the rules he's not like creating precision right and i think that that's the thing it's like you have some comedians who rely on precision jim gaffigan is like that i have seen jim gaffigan screw up an entire set because somebody dropped a drinking glass
Guest:No.
Guest:And he got thrown off and wasn't on his memorized set at that point.
Guest:You know, and Mark will never work that way.
Guest:I mean, he definitely has gotten better at like crafting a special piece.
Guest:an hour long special where he knows all the material that's going to be in it, but he needs the room to like move around and work and create something new.
Guest:And it's just like, it's the difference between someone who like is a rule follower and someone who is a free spirit.
Guest:Like that's just like, there's no right answer or wrong answer, just different personality types.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:And I really enjoyed the Thursday's episode with Rich.
Marc:I'm not even going to try to say Rich's name.
Guest:Wait a minute, wait.
Guest:You're not going to try to say it.
Guest:You said Rich already.
Marc:Then he's just got Aronovich.
Marc:Aronovich.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:But I enjoyed that because Rich was saying, well, I'm not doing a whole hour.
Marc:I'm just doing like a half hour and then maybe another thing.
Marc:And I just love that Mark just couldn't even understand that.
Marc:He's like, what are you doing?
Marc:Who...
Marc:Who is saying you can't do an hour?
Guest:Well, this is a new thing for him that he doesn't like.
Guest:He doesn't like that people are buckling to this idea that people don't have attention spans anymore.
Guest:And, you know, whether or not it's true, he feels like he's got to fight against that, you know?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I don't blame him, you know, like he keeps on doing the work and everything.
Guest:And like, well, it is a weird thing though, because it's like, I get it from the perspective of when people are like, well, if you're going to put this up on YouTube, you don't want people to like check out of it.
Guest:You know, you just want to give enough of them, give to the, you know, give them enough to whatever.
Guest:But Mark is also right.
Guest:They're like, there's plenty of long things that people just put on with no question.
Guest:How long are these Rogan podcasts?
Guest:They're like three and a half hours, right?
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And they have an audience and people will watch the entire thing.
Guest:But I guess I do think there's a difference between something that like you engage with passively.
Guest:Like, I think that that's like, you know, how long did Mike and the Mad Dog go on the air?
Guest:Like, it was like...
Guest:Five hours.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So like you weren't intently listening to all five hours of the show.
Guest:So I get why there's that mentality, too, that like, OK, there's a difference between something that's like a secondary bit of entertainment or information versus something you're just going to totally invest in and buckle down on.
Marc:Yeah, that's true.
Marc:And boy, Mark sure does have a lot of iPhone issues, huh?
Marc:Dropping a phone in the toilet.
Guest:I think that didn't have the happy ending that he said the other day when he recorded it.
Marc:Are you serious?
Guest:He had to get a new one?
Guest:He told me yesterday that it was not charging anymore.
Guest:He couldn't get the charge to keep.
Marc:Oh, he just needs to use the MagSafe charger.
Marc:Dude, I've taken my phone in the pool, like, and taken, like, slow-mo videos, like, underwater.
Guest:I wonder what version of phone he has, though, right?
Guest:Because there was one where it changed.
Guest:They had made it more water-resistant.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:And, oh, man, that's a bummer.
Marc:Well, that's too bad.
Marc:And his iPad, what is it?
Marc:I...
Marc:What's the thing that goes in your ears?
Marc:Oh, the AirPods?
Marc:Yeah, the AirPod case.
Marc:Oh, he lost the case.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:By the way, for two weeks in a row, I feel like Mark has told such great stories.
Marc:And they're basically, it should be Marin season, what, five would be the next one?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It was great.
Marc:Like Kit at the dog park story, that was scary and amazing.
Marc:And so there was that.
Marc:And then from the Megan Statler episode, the box of canceled checks story.
Marc:Great, great stuff.
Marc:I'm like, I'm all in.
Marc:And like the B-plot being the AirPods case mystery.
Marc:Fantastic.
Guest:Well, he sends me this thing yesterday because he's down for the weekend or, you know, a couple days in Albuquerque dealing with his dad.
Guest:You know, he goes down every once in a while to see him, make sure everything's okay.
Guest:But this was where the phone crapped out.
Guest:So he's like, crazy day here.
Guest:been quite a day out here in new mexico phone did crap out wouldn't take charge weird noise from ancient alarm system at the house here started going off for no reason got a new phone no apple plugs at my dad's house oh no uh called xfinity hooked up modem got wi-fi going oh
Guest:uh had no phone on way over to dad's got lost waiting for friend to go eat for the first time today so he just has this all listed out to me and this was off of what he said been quite a day out here in new mexico and i just wrote back when you break it down like that it does seem like quite the adventure as opposed to a perfectly normal day that everyone has
Guest:And he didn't even register that as like, he goes, yeah, it was real panic, dying phone, adrift.
Marc:It's just a normal Thursday for most of us.
Guest:But that's the thing.
Guest:I want like anyone wondering like, what's Mark going to do?
Guest:He's going to end the podcast.
Guest:How's he going to like this guy's life.
Guest:Like you could just have like a regular day and he thinks like the fucking it's, it's like red dawn and like the Chinese are invading.
Guest:The Russians are dropping from the sky in parachutes.
Guest:He's in the great American roller coaster over there.
Guest:Holy shit.
Marc:What a guy.
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:A lot to talk about for this week.
Marc:I won't, you know, dissect everything, but I did enjoy the bonus episode where part of it just became a sponsorship corner where...
Marc:All these sponsored things where he's talking about a nut milk machine.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:And that's just a Vitamix in a cheesecloth.
Marc:I don't know what other machine he would be getting.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Is there a nut milk machine?
Guest:if there is i don't want one like it just seems bad and like then there was the aura ring and whatever other thing that he was talking about like i mean that was why that whole section with megan stalter got cut out because i was like i can't be plugging all this stuff with no sponsorships uh but when it's like self-referential i feel okay about it when it's like yeah we cut these out now you get to hear him like yeah
Guest:are they also promotions there?
Guest:Yes, but you can laugh about them.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:And can I just ask Brendan, are you and Mark ending the show because Mark ran out of liquid death?
Marc:Like, can we send him more?
Guest:And then you guys, I think we can send him more at any time because what's interesting is the way he remembers it.
Guest:I love how he remembers things.
Guest:He's like, I never even did mad for them.
Guest:And I just get all these.
Guest:We absolutely did ads for liquid death.
Yeah.
Guest:But what happened was, here's the hilarious thing.
Guest:So we started doing the ads and guests were like, ooh, this is good.
Guest:And then I think he liked the fact that he didn't have to go out shopping for water for the guests.
Guest:And this was back in the old garage where he didn't even have a kitchen, right?
Guest:So now he's got a kitchen.
Guest:If he wanted to just pour tap water, he could.
Guest:Ben Kingsley would have a problem with that, but I think everybody else would be fine.
Marc:Dude, continue because I went back and listened to that Ben Kingsley bit.
Marc:But yeah, go on.
Marc:No, go ahead.
Marc:Mention it.
Marc:As soon as I heard this about the Liquid Dev, I was like, you know what?
Marc:I'm going to go back and listen to that intro with Ben Kingsley.
Marc:And man, it...
Marc:I honestly think that's when Mark was like, all right, let's wrap it up.
Marc:They're like, I can't do this anymore with fuckers like this.
Marc:And like him, just the play-by-play of him talking about the plants with Sir Ben Kingsley and then the water and the mug.
Marc:I mean –
Marc:Yeah, it was, it was fucking great.
Marc:And it was almost 200 episodes later.
Guest:I very much appreciate that.
Guest:That's now like a legacy episode that like it's come up so much and people's like writings about the show.
Guest:And like, I'm like, Oh yeah.
Guest:I call Ben Kingsley.
Guest:I like it.
Guest:I like that.
Guest:He has this as a mark on him.
Marc:Well, forget about being thought of as Gandhi.
Marc:He's thought of as the villain of WTF in my opinion.
Right.
Guest:I always remember him from sneakers, so I'm still cool with him on that front.
Guest:But so Mark liked that he was getting liquid death for the guests, started to run out, and he said, can they send another case, like one case?
Guest:And they sent like 30 cases.
Guest:Oh, no, like a pallet?
Guest:Yeah, they sent an enormous amount.
Guest:And he was like, whoa, whoa, okay, that's good.
Guest:And then they just kept sending it.
Guest:No.
Guest:Like every couple of weeks.
Guest:that's like he must have been on some list and and to the point where they were long done with sponsorship on the show he was still getting liquid death they even transferred it to his new address like i got an email when he moved that they were like does he still want the liquid death at the new place and i was like well he's got a place to store it now so sure so
Guest:Oh my God.
Guest:To the point where it's like in his new, in the documentary, like there's a scene of him, like opening liquid death on the porch of his house.
Guest:And he's like, this stuff keeps coming.
Guest:He's like, I didn't know that anybody would like it, but man, they sure, they sure figured something out here.
Marc:They got different flavors.
Marc:Arnold Palmer.
Marc:It's just fantastic stuff.
Marc:Oh, shit.
Marc:So, wait.
Marc:So, we had Jordan Kepler on.
Marc:Klepper.
Marc:Damn it.
Marc:We had Jordan Kepler on.
Marc:Nope.
Marc:Klepper.
Marc:We had Jordan Kepler.
Marc:Clepper.
Guest:God damn it.
Guest:You got it.
Guest:You'll never be able to use that.
Marc:But you had Jordan on and this is a Daily Show person.
Marc:We're getting I mean, look, you've had John Oliver on.
Marc:What other what other Daily Show people have you had on?
Marc:Well, you've had like Wyatt Cenac on.
Guest:Yeah, well, that was that was after the Daily Show.
Guest:And that that one basically ensures that John will never come on.
Marc:Well, that's what I was thinking.
Marc:I was like, well, what is there?
Marc:Is there any defrosting happening on the Jon Stewart front?
Marc:Or you guys don't care?
Guest:I mean, don't care, first of all.
Guest:Second of all, why would he ever do it?
Guest:Right?
Marc:I mean, just to make amends, because life is short.
Guest:There's no amends.
Guest:Listen, the dude said to Mark back then...
Guest:I don't want to come on your show, but if you want to have a talk, we go out for coffee.
Guest:But Mark found it very condescending what he was like, you know, he said, I'm sure whatever you're doing is very creative about the show.
Guest:But he was like, but I don't want to do it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And so Mark was like, this guy just wants to send me and I don't need it that bad.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So they both don't want it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:They kept each other at a distance and that's the end of that.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then,
Guest:Wyatt comes on and I will put my hand on whatever holy book you believe in.
Guest:And I would be happy to attest that Wyatt, who we go way back with.
Guest:In fact, Wyatt has thanked Mark repeatedly for basically like...
Guest:a feeling like Mark gave him his start because Mark would put him on the radio doing the character bits.
Guest:And, uh, you know, he felt that that was like exposure for him, uh, that he didn't have before.
Guest:And it got him, you know, noticed by people.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:He's always said that.
Guest:And, you know, we had him on one of the very early episodes of WTF before, you know, we were doing like hour long talks with people.
Guest:You know, he came on for whatever half hour or so.
Guest:So like Mark and Wyatt go way back.
Guest:Now Wyatt was in a position where he had finished The Daily Show and
Guest:he was doing new things.
Guest:Mark was like, great, let's have him on.
Guest:We'll talk about where he's going with his life.
Guest:And that there was no interest on our level of like, we're going to like rehash some daily show stuff.
Guest:We didn't even really know that it existed.
Guest:We just knew that like he left.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:So then they come on, they have this conversation and it's like, you know, a week before the last episode of the daily show or whatever it was.
Guest:And I,
Guest:To show you Mark's kind of naivete about this stuff, he thought that he was doing The Daily Show and John, by extension, a favor with that talk.
Guest:Because at the end, he's like... The way that episode ends after Wyatt goes through all of his reasons for being angry at the show and at John and...
Guest:Got very racially loaded.
Guest:And, you know, now he's in the position where he's been invited to be on the final show and he doesn't know that he wants to do it.
Guest:And Mark was like, you should just do it.
Guest:You're going to regret it if you don't do it.
Guest:Just go do it.
Guest:You know, everything will be cool.
Guest:And like, I remember when they were done with the talk, Mark sends me the clip, you know, sends me the file.
Guest:He's like, this is good.
Guest:I think it'll, I think it's a nice resolution and hopefully it, you know, works out for, uh, for them on the show.
Guest:And with Wyatt, I was like, oh, okay.
Guest:Interesting.
Guest:This is one of those times I remember exactly where I was.
Guest:I remember the hour of night that it was that I'm sitting there listening to this file and why it starts talking about the stuff with him and John.
Guest:And I texted Mark.
Guest:I'm like, this is going to be bad.
Guest:Like this is going to blow the fuck up.
Guest:And Mark just didn't have any concern.
Guest:He was like, really?
Guest:I'm like, yeah, man, this is bad.
Guest:This is like,
Guest:you know he's and there's nothing it's not like we're like well we shouldn't air this it's it's it's what it was just a guy saying what his experience there was you couldn't there was no way to be like uh-oh he's accusing someone of something or whatever it's like no this guy's saying on the basis of what was going on there i felt racially discriminated against and i i went out on the
Guest:uh the ball field across from our offices and i cried like i was like oh boy this is gonna be fucked up and sure enough it was really fucked up people i got uh uh new york magazine came to me and asked if we did it deliberately to sabotage the daily show no yep that's insane um and then and so wait so so hand to god you're saying if i if i give you my action comics number one you'll uh you'll swear on it
Guest:Yeah, I don't.
Guest:I, I, but what I'm, what I'm telling you is the exact way it happened where I, I mean, like, did I think before we posted it that it was going to fuck up the daily shows week?
Guest:Yes, I did.
Guest:Like I knew it.
Guest:I was like, this is fucked up.
Guest:But then also the other thing was I couldn't sit on it.
Guest:I couldn't hold it because then it would be out of date by the time we aired it.
Guest:It was just like, this has to go up.
Guest:It is what it is.
Guest:It's not on us.
Guest:It's on Wyatt.
Guest:He decided to come on the show and say this stuff.
Guest:We gave him this platform.
Guest:That was how he chose to use it.
Guest:Uh, so I knew it was going to fuck with them, but I didn't intend for it to in the first place.
Guest:We didn't do it with that intention.
Guest:Right.
Marc:With any malice or anything or intend to ruin anyone's day.
Guest:You could go back and listen to it.
Guest:It's one of those things where you can hear Mark not even know the backstory, right?
Guest:Like where he's like, so what happened?
Guest:You look like you got tired of being there or what?
Guest:Like he, he did not know.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Marc:He wasn't trying to lead him to this juicy story.
Guest:But it's like that time with David Spade, where he didn't know that there was a big to-do about Spade not going to Farley's funeral.
Guest:And when he brought it up, because Mark was legitimately in the dark about it, Spade was very forthcoming, probably more so than he'd ever been.
Guest:So it was the same thing that happened here with Wyatt.
Guest:He was just super forthcoming.
Guest:This is all to say, where this wound up was, I think it was like two years later.
Guest:the daily show oral history comes out and it gets to like the part where they're talking about like the last week of the show.
Guest:Oh no.
Guest:You guys are part of it.
Guest:John literally says in the book, he's like, yeah.
Guest:So we were heading into the last, like, I think it was like six days and then the Marin thing happened.
Guest:Oh wow.
Guest:Called it the Marin thing.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:So then it's like the oral, you know, the quotes stop and then the author of the thing explains what happens for the context.
Guest:And then the entire like next section is all the damage control that went into that.
Guest:It ruined their week.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:There are people that worked at The Daily Show that were like, yeah, we thought this week was going to be a celebration and it was a fucking disaster because of that Wyatt interview.
Guest:But like John calling it the Marin thing, I remember reading that and being like, well, that's the end of that, ever.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Ever, ever.
Guest:Period.
Guest:Put that away.
Guest:Because also-
Guest:Forget what I'm saying right here.
Guest:Forget Mark ever saying anything about it.
Guest:There is no way that John doesn't believe that was 100% deliberate.
Guest:Right, right.
Marc:And I'm sure that's where the New York Magazine question came from.
Marc:I don't know.
Guest:I mean, that came immediately.
Guest:They caught Jesse David Foxx.
Guest:who you know was the comedy reporter over at new york magazine he emailed me like the day the thing got posted oh interesting and he was like can i have you on the record of this i was like you sure can because you can you can go look at what at our uh i'm gonna send you our schedule of when this was booked and
Guest:And like, this has been booked and on our books to air at this date for months.
Guest:Like we had no idea of what was going to happen and when the show was going to end, what was going to be their last week.
Guest:So like, there's nothing we can, there's not, there's nothing I can do.
Marc:say other than just show you the proof that like we don't do we don't book the show like that you know right right man that is wild and uh i'm just happy that you know comedians that are on the uh the daily show are you know free to go on to your show so that's that oh yeah i mean like everybody has always been you know when they they
Guest:no one other than Wyatt ever like said anything bad about John, first of all.
Guest:So like, I think that's the other thing is they all were like, Hey, we're going to respect the boundaries here.
Guest:Like, yes, we like Mark and we're going to come on this show, but I'm not going to like be a part of his feud with John and talk shit or whatever.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And like, there's not really a feud anymore, right?
Marc:Oh no, no, no, no.
Guest:There never was a feud.
Guest:It was always a pretty one-sided thing of Mark being like, fuck that guy and John not acknowledging him.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Until the Marin thing.
Guest:The Marin thing.
Guest:Man, when you read that, what was your, like, I can't even imagine.
Guest:It was like the pull the collar.
Guest:yeah you you ruined a lot of people's weeks right there holy shit weeks that were that was the culmination of like 20 years yeah holy shit like i can only assume my comeuppance is whenever our last week is some shit
Guest:It's embracing for that impact.
Marc:Are you going to like announce like the final episode or is it just going to be?
Guest:Oh, sure.
Guest:And then, you know, yeah, fucking Ben Kingsley is going to come and beat me up at my doorstep.
Marc:Ben Kingsley is going to say Mark did something with it.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Ben Kingsley will have a sexual harassment claim against Mark.
Marc:He was talking about plants, but I don't think it was about plants.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He wanted to put it in me.
Yeah.
Marc:Well, Brendan, this week was fun for me as you gave me homework to give me a list of movies I would want to see in the movie theater that I haven't.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:And also good movies that I've seen.
Marc:And listen, as a movie fan, I don't know if you've noticed, but movie fans love two things.
Marc:We love movies and we love making lists about movies, dude.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:You also love Nicole Kidman at the movie.
Marc:Oh, fuck yeah, I do.
Marc:She's my spirit animal.
Guest:Yes, this came from our listener, Darcy, who said that he was going to see Terminator 2 for the first time.
Guest:That just happened.
Guest:He said it went last week.
Guest:uh and he was wondering like you know for us what are some of the movies that we never saw on the big screen but that we're dying to see like he mentioned 2001 as a movie that's still on that list for him and yeah i asked you chris to think up ones that you that fall into that category for you that just like you never saw on the big screen and then you did and it was transformative and then ones that you still haven't done
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And honestly, for me, it's still number one on my list of movies I have not yet seen.
Marc:Even on the big screen, on television, I don't intend to see it until I can see it on a very big screen.
Marc:And that is Lawrence of Arabia.
Guest:I wrote that down as well.
Guest:And we have a friend, Kevin, who went to see it on like some big 70 millimeter projection and a great theater.
Guest:And he said, it's the greatest.
Guest:Like it was, it was a believe the hype experience to go see that on the big screen.
Guest:I bet.
Marc:And yeah, I can't wait.
Marc:Cause I've, I've never experienced it and I could buy it on DVD.
Marc:I just don't want to, I want to just watch it on a huge, huge screen.
Marc:Take up all my eyeballs.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Now, how about you?
Marc:What's a movie that you want to see on the big screen but haven't?
Guest:Well, similarly, I have never seen Citizen Kane on the big screen.
Guest:And I've seen like Casablanca.
Guest:I've seen a lot of good classic black and white films that really kind of work their magic.
Guest:Night of the Hunter I saw on the big screen.
Guest:Like there's just some ones that I remember from TV that I'm like, I bet that would be really cool in the theater.
Guest:And Kane is definitely one of them.
Guest:I would love to go see that with a big audience, you know?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's the thing with the, with the audience and like, like the matrix.
Marc:I'm never, I never saw the matrix.
Marc:I only saw it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I only saw it on DVD.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I saw the matrix at that.
Guest:Remember that theater in Manhattan?
Guest:I think it was on like 50th street that after like six to nine months, they would show movies there that were like $2.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:That was great.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Was it packed and everything?
Guest:Well, it was, it was in the dead of summer.
Guest:Like it was like August.
Guest:And cause I think the matrix came out in like March.
Guest:So, so I went like in the middle of summer, so hot.
Guest:So like a ton of people were in there for the like $2 worth of air conditioning.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yes, that's the thing.
Guest:And that theater used to, because it was only two bucks, you'd get a lot of inebriated folks.
Guest:And there was a dude who, you know, classic in the non-PC parlance, he would be referred to as a wino.
Guest:You know, like a guy on the street with a paper bag, right?
Marc:A real Barney.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:This wino was in there and he, he was half the fun of the movie.
Guest:Was he?
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:Like just like, wow, look at that guy just right through the wall, screaming at everything.
Guest:I found that he improved the matrix, which some people would say is crazy, but he definitely did.
Marc:If only you can get the audio commentary of that screening.
Marc:Just that guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, you know, it's another movie.
Guest:I mean, The Matrix, you know, like, it's like, okay, action movies that you've never seen on the big screen.
Guest:It's much like Darcy was saying about going to see Terminator 2.
Guest:You know, it's the one that I absolutely, like, if I ever see it come up as a screening in the nearby theaters, I will go see it.
Guest:What's that?
Guest:It's Bullet.
Guest:I want to see Bullet on a big screen.
Guest:Because, like, that is just one of those movies that's in my head of, like, watching it on a television and being like, this is crazy.
Guest:and I'm thinking of that, watching it on this small little screen from when I was a kid, like, you know, little tiny tube TVs that we had.
Guest:We didn't have these big giant televisions back then.
Guest:Like that, I think it's probably true of most movies that have like good car chases, but that's like a real car chase, like real car.
Guest:It's like the French connection, right?
Guest:We've seen that in the big screen and it was awesome.
Guest:And I feel like that's also true of like most movies.
Guest:80s action movies yeah like if you like we've we've seen a few recently you we went to see robocop on the big screen i saw um uh escape from new york you saw oh a bunch of the john carpenter movies um and uh i saw action jackson on the big screen
Guest:I've seen Die Hard several times on the big screen, and they always deliver, because I think, much like with Bullet, my thinking around that is, like, they made this to wow you in a movie theater, right?
Guest:Like, the same way that, like...
Guest:the very first movies of like a train coming at the camera was supposed to wow you.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So like this idea of like, Oh, it's going to feel like you're in this car chase on the streets of San Francisco.
Guest:Like they want you to feel that in the parameters of a theater.
Guest:And I feel like all those eighties action movies are the same way where they're like, Oh,
Guest:we're going to make sure that if you're in a movie theater with speakers, like it sounds like these guns are being shot at you and like the explosions are happening in front of your face.
Guest:And they're all like that.
Guest:And I would definitely like, if there was like any one that I haven't seen predator, I've never seen on the big screen, lethal weapon, Beverly Hills cop.
Guest:I would go see those immediately.
Marc:Dude.
Marc:I went recently with Kevin, uh, to see heat and,
Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:At the Paris Theater in the city.
Marc:And it has great sound system.
Marc:When they redid their sound system.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:And it was fucking great.
Marc:Because that's a movie I did not see in the movie theater.
Guest:No, same.
Marc:I was too young.
Marc:And it was fucking great.
Marc:But a movie I really want to see.
Marc:And there's a new one coming out.
Marc:The original Tron.
Marc:I feel like that would look dope in a movie.
Guest:I wonder about that.
Guest:The original Tron.
Guest:I wonder because and I here's what makes me wonder it.
Guest:A few years ago, I took my son to see The Last Starfighter, which was a not a Disney movie, but a kind of Disney adjacent family film from the 80s.
Guest:If you remember the plot of that, it was the kid was, you know, he's like lived in a trailer park and he played a video game and got really good at it.
Guest:And it turned out the video game was a recruiting tool.
Guest:for a starfighter program in some other galaxy.
Guest:And at the time it was like these cutting edge special effects and it looked so cheap and chintzy, like in a great way.
Guest:Like it was very fun and nostalgic, but I, I wonder if Tron would look like that just cause they had a similar style of, uh, animation in those movies, in both of those.
Guest:Hmm.
Marc:Yeah, maybe.
Marc:A movie I really want to see, though, Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Marc:Look, you're talking to someone who went out to Devil's Tower and walked around there.
Marc:I am dying to see that in a gigantic theater.
Guest:Well, I have seen, after spending most of my life watching them only on TV, I have seen Raiders in the movie theater.
Guest:I saw Jaws in the movie theater on Martha's Vineyard, which was quite an experience.
Guest:That's cool.
Guest:And so, yeah, I think that the Spielberg movies, again, it's like a guy who was directly making these for large screens and the idea that people were sitting there in the dark, all facing forward, watching these at the same time, like his movies certainly hold up in the movie theater.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:And a really great movie.
Marc:Man, I love seeing movies in like cool places.
Marc:I think they still do.
Marc:They have a film series underneath, in between the Manhattan and Brooklyn Bridge in Brooklyn.
Marc:And one time I went and it was Ghostbusters.
Marc:Oh, that's good.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Ghostbusters in New York.
Guest:Except that location is so loud from the trains.
Marc:That's okay.
Marc:It's part of the vibe.
Guest:As long as you're cool with it.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like you're talking to someone who had a grandparent who lived next to like the L, you know, like the elevator train.
Guest:Like in the Blues Brothers.
Marc:Yes.
Yeah.
Guest:I had that experience with not in the same location, but just in terms of like watching a movie in New York about New York with New Yorkers.
Guest:I think I've mentioned this before.
Guest:I definitely mentioned it on another podcast.
Guest:Taking of Pelham 123 in New York with a New York audience is so great.
Guest:Similarly, Goodfellas.
Guest:You and I saw Goodfellas in a packed New York theater, and it was just a blast.
Marc:It really was.
Marc:I mean, boy, what a comedy.
Marc:People are just laughing at everything.
Marc:Because it is.
Guest:It's super funny.
Marc:It is such a comedy.
Guest:Yes.
Yes.
Marc:It is so good.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:It kind of reminds me of when Mark was talking about the Wolf of Wall Street, and he's like, oh, people don't realize it's a comedy.
Marc:I'm like, wait, people don't realize that?
Marc:Because I'm laughing throughout the entire thing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That movie is absolutely a comedy and a tragedy, which is why it's great.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, going to the movies is such a passion, but going to see like a really good comedy in a packed theater is such a fun experience.
Marc:Like I can think of the first Anchorman, the Borat, the Hangover Man.
Marc:I saw the Hangover in...
Marc:Where is that?
Marc:Atlantic Avenue, UA.
Marc:It's no longer there anymore.
Guest:It's not there anymore.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Court Street.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:It was such a rowdy, rowdy, raucous audience.
Guest:I saw all of those in the theater when they came out and had the same experience.
Guest:Also Tropic Thunder.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:Tropic Thunder.
Marc:Yeah, that's great.
Guest:But I will say this.
Guest:I have had situations where I've gone to see kind of classic comedies, and they don't work as well.
Guest:Like what?
Guest:Like some of the Mel Brooks movies, like going to see Young Frankenstein or Blazing Saddles in the theater.
Guest:Waiting for Guffman, I went to a screening of that once.
Guest:And they just don't get... I think it's like...
Guest:Those are movies that people have a lot of nostalgic feelings about, and they are funny, but they are missing the big belly laughs that something completely raucous like Borat has, right?
Guest:So I do remember sitting and seeing some movies that I just love, and they are funny movies, but they don't play in a theater presently the way they probably did in 1972 when they came out.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Well, my first movie memory ever...
Marc:was seeing at the time space balls with my Cub Scout group and like my dad.
Marc:And man, when the asshole scene happens, like me and my troop were on the floor, like just dying.
Marc:I think I might've peed my pants.
Marc:Like it was fucking amazing.
Marc:it's like designed for a cub scout troop like that's like the exact audience for that entire movie uh also like movies that i love that everyone should seek out if they're like in playing in the uh in the theater like fury road 100 oh totally the thing dude i saw the thing for the first time at an alamo like just two years ago i think
Guest:That's a good one to see with a lot of people, get people jumping, screaming.
Marc:It was so, so good, man.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So, uh, so yeah, those are some of my favorites.
Marc:Dude, we saw Nashville at MoMA.
Marc:Oh yeah.
Marc:That was such an experience and an experience that will not be able to be replicated.
Guest:that's a good that's a good point too going back to the idea of long movies like i feel like nashville is one of those movies that is hurt if you watch it in uh chunks so if you're like if you got that at home and you're like i never saw nashville before i'll watch an hour here i'll watch an hour there like you might like it but i don't think you'll feel the whole impact of it yeah it's like it is one of those movies that it benefits from you just being stuck in a place it's like the brutalist it's like yeah i
Guest:I don't know how the brutalist is playing now that it's on max and people are watching it at home, but I know that while I was watching it in that theater and I knew that I was just in for the ride for three and a half hours, it was like, it worked its magic on me.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:Dude.
Marc:How about children of men like that?
Marc:I do remember seeing that for the first time.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:That made my, my hair on the back of my head stand up.
Marc:Like it was, it was great.
Marc:Like really, really fantastic.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, you know what was one that was like that where I had seen it a bunch in my life and never on the big screen until, you know, it was really only about five years ago was Blade Runner.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:Blade Runner was like this like kind of crazy transformative experience on the big screen that I never really had while I was watching it otherwise.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, I dude, I thought the Blade Runner 2049 was just as, you know, good.
Marc:Like that, you know, that guy, Dennis, who's going to be the next James Bond director.
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:He's the new director of James Bond.
Marc:Like that movie looks, looks great.
Marc:You know, just like, I just love seeing like things where it just, I don't know, just the visuals just take up so much of your imagination.
Marc:Like it's just great.
Guest:Well, something else happened with movies this week.
Guest:In fact, as of the time we're recording this, it has not finished.
Guest:But the New York Times decided to kind of troll everyone.
Guest:And I don't know if this is like a letterbox jealousy thing.
Guest:They're just like, because this is clearly just for people to post these things, right?
Guest:You make your ballot, you fill it out and you post it.
Guest:They did a thing for some reason in the year 2025.
Guest:I guess we're a quarter of the way through the century.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:They wanted to rank the 100 best movies of the 21st century.
Guest:As of recording here, they have done number 100 through number 21.
Guest:So they have 20 left to do.
Guest:I'm not that interested in what they rank in there.
Guest:But what they did as a feature...
Guest:was allow readers to rank their own and submit a ballot and i guess after this is all said and done they're going to tally like what the user uh vote was as opposed to like their own editorial choice yeah and so of course chris and i did not pass this up we filled out our ballots
Marc:Did you, you struggle with yours?
Marc:I struggle with mine, man.
Marc:Like eight of them came like to mind.
Marc:And then like, I would be like, wait, oh, what about that movie?
Marc:And then, oh no.
Marc:Then I had to like kill my darlings.
Marc:And I had to like really, really just grapple with leaving out some really great movies.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I had, I had, I would say, I would say,
Guest:There were definitely two that I wanted to try to get on here that I couldn't just because of the space.
Guest:But then also what I I kind of instituted a little rule for myself.
Guest:Oh, what's this?
Guest:No multiple films by the same director.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I did that in my head as well.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:So if you like, I mean, because ultimately then you, you might, if you ask me, what are the, you know, 10 best movies of the 21st century, I might put like five Tarantinos and five PT Andersons and we're done.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So like I, I went with a little more like I'll make a list rather than them representing my actual like 10 favorites.
Guest:Hmm.
Guest:But these are 10 absolute favorites.
Guest:And every time you see a director on here, you can kind of assume like I'm also ranking their other movies of the century.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And, you know, it was hard not to include a brilliant director who might not have had a, you know, my favorite movie of theirs in this century.
Guest:Who was that?
Marc:Like Steven Spielberg.
Marc:He did not make my list.
Guest:Oh, for sure.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I didn't put any Spielberg on here.
Guest:which I think is fair.
Guest:Like that's representative.
Guest:He is a director of the eighties and nineties.
Guest:Like that's his peak work.
Guest:I was surprised I didn't get a Fincher on here.
Guest:And I thought about it for a very long time.
Guest:And then also by going by my ruling of like, all right, I'm going to only pick one.
Guest:I ultimately worked it out mentally that my favorite Fincher movie of the 21st century is the killer.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then I couldn't justify putting the killer in anywhere over any of the others I picked.
Guest:And it was the same thing with Michael Mann.
Guest:I was desperate to get collateral on here, but I just couldn't get it.
Guest:I couldn't fit him in.
Guest:You couldn't bump someone.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Okay, well, what's number 10 for you then?
Marc:Number 10 is a movie that I saw when, look, it was a very formative time in my life when I was single, dating, and I saw this movie without seeing the movie.
Marc:preceding movie, and that is Before Sunset.
Marc:Oh, no kidding.
Marc:I loved the filmmaking of it.
Marc:It was a lot of long takes, which I'm just a sucker for.
Marc:I love the two actors, Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy.
Marc:And I just love the story.
Marc:I love that I didn't know their meeting.
Marc:I was just dropping in on this conversation.
Marc:Totally works.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It totally works.
Marc:And for me, look, I'm a bit of a romantic.
Marc:I just love that movie and the way it ends.
Marc:I mean, it's just, for me, yeah, it's number 10 on my list.
Guest:That's so funny.
Guest:When you were setting it up, I didn't expect you to say that.
Guest:I had another movie that I thought you were going to say.
Marc:Oh, interesting.
Marc:What were you going to say?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:It might still show up.
Guest:So I'll wait.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:So for me, number 10, I tried to avoid it.
Guest:I tried to avoid it for a very specific reason.
Guest:I did not like that the New York Times used it as the one half of the thumbnail to the story.
Guest:I know what you're going to say.
Guest:Because I was like, well, that's like a push pull now.
Guest:Like, you know, you're like you're like influencing.
Guest:It's like a it's like a card magician who gets you to pick the right card that he wants you to pick.
Guest:But I will say I worked on this for long enough that I feel confident that it does deserve its place on my list.
Guest:And that's Michael Clayton?
Guest:That is Michael Clayton.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, Mark and you have talked about this on episodes.
Marc:Interesting.
Guest:Yeah, that's the thing.
Guest:There's a lot of these I'm not going to have to say much about.
Guest:In fact, I'll go right into my number nine.
Guest:I also don't have to say very much about it because I've talked about it so much on this show.
Guest:It is my essentially my Coen Brothers entry.
Guest:I could have picked many other Coen Brothers movies, but this would be the one I would say is the top and it's No Country for Old Men.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That is my number five.
Guest:There you go.
Marc:For me.
Marc:I mean, I mean, what more can you say about one of the more perfect movies there is?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What was your number nine?
Marc:It is The Wolf of Wall Street, which I just talked about.
Marc:And it is fun, funny.
Marc:The cast is amazing.
Marc:The soundtrack's amazing.
Marc:The director is amazing.
Marc:It all just works.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, that's my number seven.
Guest:So also on my list.
Guest:And yeah, I mean, I love The Wolf of Wall Street.
Guest:It's the same thing that, you know, we've been talking about with that.
Guest:There's something about The Wolf of Wall Street that is, despite it being this...
Guest:three hour movie and it's very broad.
Guest:The characterizations are over the top and that, but there's still something sneaky about it.
Guest:And it's very, it's, it's, you know, you, you've heard me talk about Scorsese a million times and my kind of love of him as a, as a, as a guy who, who worked through his Catholicism in his films and that, and this thing sells itself as like a, a comedy or a satire on capitalism and,
Guest:And like, you know, the degradation of like the same way that the mob is in Goodfellas, it is, you know, destroying these people from within, even though they think it's great.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And I think this is like a crazy, sly depiction of addiction.
Guest:Mm hmm.
Guest:where chasing the bigger and bigger high, whether it's the lewds or whether it's the women or whether it's the money, becomes so ingrained in you and you're just completely numb to it before you even realize what's happening.
Guest:And then by the end of the movie, you've hit bottom, there's nothing, and yet you're looking out at this sea of...
Guest:Future addicts, they all want the same hook.
Guest:They all want the same taste.
Guest:It's just great.
Guest:It's my favorite thing about Scorsese.
Guest:It's like that, you know, he he's always showing a world where people live only according to their appetites.
Guest:And that reveals a world in which they work much harder.
Guest:And have such a more difficult time making their way through the world than normal people who have regular jobs.
Guest:And their lives suck way worse than, like, your average Joe.
Guest:It is the great thing of Scorsese.
Guest:Scorsese's whole oeuvre is, like...
Guest:Showing these people having a grand old time while they are damning themselves to hell.
Guest:It's definitely right up there with Goodfellas and Taxi Driver and all of his greatest movies.
Marc:Yeah, well, well said.
Marc:What about for you for number eight?
Marc:Number eight for me is Fury Road, a movie that we have talked quite a bit about.
Marc:We sure have.
Marc:It is just, again, another kind of perfect movie.
Marc:It is like a director at the height.
Marc:I mean, shit, man, I read a book about this.
Marc:It is a guy at the height of his powers doing things.
Guest:extraordinary things and yeah an impossible movie that should not have been made and it's it's uh miraculous that it exists let alone is as good today if you watch it right now it's as good as the very minute you first saw it in 2015 uh my number eight is my paul thomas anderson entry of this list and i went back and forth on this quite a bit to the point where i i
Guest:I almost landed on, and I think that if I allowed myself to put more than one movie from a director, I would have put this one in there, even though I had a Paul Thomas Anderson movie already, is that I almost picked Punch Drunk Love as my favorite movie of his of the 21st century, but it is not.
Guest:The one that I actually picked is Phantom Thread.
Guest:Oh, interesting.
Guest:I did not.
Guest:I thought you were going to say Licorice Peach.
Guest:No, no.
Guest:I, you know, I would think most people pick There Will Be Blood.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:I go with, I think the better Daniel Day-Lewis performance, the one that resonates more with me, the story that resonates more with me, the
Guest:humanity of a film that resonates more with me is phantom thread i absolutely love that film i find it to be an actually great romance uh the same way as you know you talked about uh before sunset uh that's where i would go with uh my pt anderson favorite of uh of that and that's my number eight uh as i mentioned my number seven is uh the wolf of wall street and my number six is my christopher nolan pick
Guest:Ooh, what'd you get?
Guest:This might be controversial.
Guest:It's probably controversial that not only is it my Christopher Nolan pick, that it's so high on my list.
Guest:That's number six.
Guest:It's Inception.
Guest:Oh, interesting.
Guest:I did not see that coming.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Well, I thought about it and as much as I enjoy other Nolan movies and you can, you know, rank Oppenheimer very high or whatever, my feeling about Inception is...
Guest:I can't think of seven better experiences I had in a movie theater than that.
Guest:That's the thing.
Guest:It is.
Guest:At least not this century.
Marc:I mean, man, when...
Marc:Everything from the city folding in on itself to the top that he's spinning, everything.
Marc:It's all just a world that is just unfurling around you, especially in the theater.
Marc:I mean, I saw that at the Lincoln Square IMAX.
Marc:I had to crane my neck to see that top spinning.
Marc:To see if it was going to fall down?
Guest:Yes, yeah.
Guest:It was great.
Guest:I, there, there are a few times in my life, a very few handful of times where I walked out of a movie and I was like, when can I go see that again?
Guest:Like, like that, like my initial thought was, okay, I have to make some time to go back and watch that immediately.
Guest:And that was one of them.
Guest:And you can't take away that experience like that.
Guest:Having that is real.
Guest:Like that's a real feeling and it has to count for something.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I hear that.
Marc:And that actually leads me to my number seven entry, and that is Mission Impossible Fallout.
Marc:Great movie.
Marc:I saw this movie in a very big screen, not IMAX, but...
Marc:It was so captivating from the parachute jump to the helicopter chase.
Marc:It was the best action movie I've seen.
Marc:And I saw it, I think, four times in the theater.
Marc:It was a good-ass time to sit in a dark theater watching Tom Cruise and Henry Cavill just battle.
Marc:And I could not keep it off of my list, honestly.
Guest:Yeah, I would say, you know, no argument there.
Guest:It's funny, though.
Guest:I've seen other people with their list here and they have another Tom Cruise movie on it that is totally valid.
Guest:Edge of Tomorrow.
Marc:Oh, that is valid.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:You know, and I don't fault them for that.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I have a different Tom Cruise movie also on my list.
Guest:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, what's your number six since I've already done my number six?
Marc:That is my number six.
Marc:And that is Tropic Thunder.
Guest:Ah, well, you and I both have this on our list.
Guest:I have mine much higher up.
Guest:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:In fact, I put it all the way up at number two.
Marc:No kidding.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:That is great.
Marc:That is fantastic.
Marc:And it is just a movie unlike anything else.
Guest:I will I will say that people say, oh, it's recency or whatever.
Guest:It's not that recent.
Guest:Actually, it's 2008.
Guest:But I think it's the greatest satire ever made.
Guest:I think it is.
Guest:I think it is the absolute most spot on funniest satire ever made.
Guest:And that includes Dr. Strangelove.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:And I mean, from everything, from the moment the movie starts.
Guest:Literally the moment it starts.
Guest:I can remember it like it was yesterday that you saw this thing come up and it's the, you know, commercial and it's a guy screaming about pussy and you're like, what the fuck is this?
Guest:And the guy is selling you an energy drink and energy bars and
Guest:And he's, you know, and I'm like, oh my God, this is part of the movie.
Guest:And then you start seeing these trailers.
Guest:Like it's one of the greatest openings to a film ever.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Cracking ass open.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:all right.
Guest:The movie is like an hour and 50 minutes long.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I could spend three hours just talking about jokes from Tropic Thunder.
Guest:Like I could just spend, I could spend double the amount of time of the movie just sitting with someone talking about the movie.
Guest:That's a testament to a great film.
Marc:I mean, Les Grossman, the who Tom Cruise plays.
Marc:I mean, that character is,
Marc:Is like a parody of Harvey Weinstein and- A bunch of Scott Rudin.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And I mean, it is just a brilliant performance.
Marc:I mean, a performance unlike any other.
Guest:Every person in the movie has that though, right?
Guest:Like Bill Hader.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Matthew McConaughey like these even people who are not on the front of the poster are doing some of their best work because they know so intimately the people they are spoofing you know yeah I will also say there's a thing in movies that I love and it's not used nearly enough
Guest:that I call curtain call credits.
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:The credits come up and it's, you get an onscreen, either video, you know, either it's, you know, something with movement or just a still photo, but the, the main actors of the film get their own little moment, right.
Guest:Where they get to bow basically.
Guest:That's what I call it.
Guest:The curtain call credits.
Guest:And I love that.
Guest:Like airplane, like that's a, that's like the first version I can think of.
Guest:Right.
Guest:This movie has like the best version of that, where Tom Cruise is dancing to that ludicrous song while everyone gets their curtain call.
Guest:I've watched it a thousand times, a thousand times.
Marc:Yeah, that is a movie that is a keeper on a DVD.
Marc:That is like one of my favorite DVDs.
Marc:All right.
Guest:Well, we're halfway through our list.
Guest:Mine at number five goes all the way back to 2002.
Guest:So toward the beginning of this century.
Guest:And this is my one Wes Anderson entry.
Guest:And it is the Royal Tenenbaums.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's my, that's my number three myself.
Guest:There you go.
Marc:It is.
Marc:I mean, what, what can you say?
Guest:Well, it was also, uh, you know, a lament for me that I have to go back to 2002 to where this guy made to me his best film and they have not been that since.
Guest:Um,
Guest:And I will admit I like the new one better than Asteroid City.
Guest:And but still not.
Guest:I didn't love it.
Guest:I just was fine with it.
Guest:It had no emotional resonance to me, but was fine.
Guest:And I don't like his movies just being fine.
Guest:I like them being like this, where it's one of the best movies I've ever seen.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, use, use a location, you know, use an actual location, not a diorama.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Something happened with his whole mindset around filmmaking has changed.
Guest:So yeah.
Guest:What are you going to do?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:What's your number five?
Marc:No, my number five is my Fincher and that is Zodiac.
Guest:Yeah, Zodiac was tough.
Guest:It was like, do I leave off Zodiac?
Guest:Do I leave off the social network?
Guest:He's got ones to push up there.
Marc:He does.
Marc:And Zodiac, for me, is a movie I have returned to time and time again.
Marc:Not just because his style of filmmaking is so...
Marc:it's just so captivating and so interesting like like this is you know like woodward and bernstein yeah it's like uh you know and like it's it's also the characters and the performances and like just everything about it like the open-ended sort of ending i just find it so it is it left a mark on me and it is one of my favorites
Guest:I have a friend who refers to it as a due process thriller, and I think that's a good description of it.
Guest:The other thing about it is it is two movies.
Guest:It is one movie when you see it the first time, and it is a different movie when you watch it the second time, right?
Guest:The first time, you think it's a whodunit, right?
Guest:Even though...
Guest:if you go into it with any knowledge of the case, you know, it's unsolved, but you still think you're going to get somewhere with this or that it's going to be a thrill.
Guest:It's going to be like silence of the lambs.
Guest:You're going to have like a, a shootout moment or something.
Guest:And when that doesn't happen, I know a lot of people who saw this the first time and didn't like it.
Guest:They were jarred by that.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But even whether you were, you weren't, if you watch it again, it becomes a totally different movie becomes a movie about obsession, about the kind of, uh,
Guest:um diligence that people doing these jobs of solving crimes have to put themselves through to stay on the right side of the law also the falsity of memory and eyewitnesses uh like there's so much there's so many dead ends in the movie so many things where it's presented to you the first time like ah here they've cracked the case and then it goes nowhere right no not that guy he's just a cartoonist or whatever yeah
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, it is just haunting is an appropriate word for it.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Did you say you're number four already?
Marc:Yes, I did.
Marc:And that was no country.
Marc:So yeah, I only have two left.
Marc:My number one and number two.
Guest:So your number four was no country.
Guest:Number three was which?
Guest:Royal Tenenbaum.
Guest:Royal Tenenbaums.
Guest:Okay, so we're caught up on your level there.
Guest:For me, my number four is one we spend an entire episode talking about, and it's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, that's, that's further up on my list.
Marc:It is, it is number one for me.
Guest:That's your number one.
Guest:Oh, very cool.
Guest:Well, I mean, obviously we, we, we, you could go back.
Guest:Anyone listening to this can go back and hear exactly why that is.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Here's my number three.
Guest:I am.
Guest:I'm assuming you will be surprised at this.
Guest:it is wally now i'm not surprised i i oh i have known you for a very long time and i know how much you loved wally yeah i i think uh wally is the greatest science fiction film of the 21st century and i think that uh it is pixar like so this is my pixar entry too because that's another grouping where you could have put three or four pixars right and
Guest:So this is an achievement in film and achievement in advancing cinema.
Guest:It's right up there.
Guest:It still remains to me the most breathtaking, like initial 30 minutes of a film that I can remember.
Guest:Like I couldn't believe that.
Guest:Not just what I was seeing because it was amazingly well-crafted and well-made and the animation was so top-notch.
Guest:I couldn't believe the audacity of this kid's movie that started with like a 35-40 minute silent sequence that was in a dystopian future where the entire earth was dead.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was flabbergasting to me that this was a kid's movie.
Guest:And then obviously because I have a kid, I've seen it dozens of times and it never fails.
Guest:It is absolutely a movie on my list that I could go watch it today and be just as satisfied.
Guest:So yeah, WALL-E ranks very high for me.
Guest:And then that also means, as I mentioned to you, my number two was Tropic Thunder.
Guest:So what do you have?
Guest:You're up to your number two and one.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Number two is my Christopher Nolan entry.
Marc:And as you know, I'm a very big Christopher Nolan fan.
Marc:And it's funny because all of his movies have been in this century.
Marc:I mean, following, I don't even, I forget when that was.
Guest:But let me guess, the one you picked is barely in this century.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yes, it is barely in the century.
Marc:And that is Memento.
Marc:That's a great pick.
Marc:A great pick.
Marc:Thank you.
Marc:And I honestly, it's just the one that stuck with me.
Marc:I have seen it probably 30 times.
Marc:No joking.
Marc:Like, I love this movie.
Marc:I love...
Marc:This guy's brain and how he crafted this story is so, it's like going to an escape room and like seeing like, oh, look, they put this here and there.
Marc:And like, I just love the connective tissue of it all.
Marc:And it cannot not be on my list.
Guest:yeah well it's funny i just saw recently because you know he was up for an academy award he was out there doing interviews guy pierce said he's disappointed with his performance in this movie yeah which is crazy because like i think he's great right like and it's it seems like it seems like it would be such a hard performance to give and i thought about it i was like maybe that's it and
Guest:I'm going to make this analogy that some people who specifically subscribe to the full Marin for this reason, uh, we'll understand this.
Guest:Others just hang with me, but it reminds me of Ricky, the dragon steamboat and the way he thinks about his match with macho man, Randy Savage at WrestleMania three.
Um,
Guest:And that is thought of as one of the great wrestling matches in history.
Guest:It's like the match that launched a thousand careers because people were like, I saw that and I wanted to become a wrestler or whatever.
Guest:Randy made them choreograph the whole thing.
Guest:Like he made them memorize the entire match, like movement for movement.
Guest:And that wasn't how Ricky Steamboat was taught to work.
Guest:It wasn't how he liked to work.
Guest:It was antithetical to what his conception of wrestling is, where you're supposed to be basically an improv actor.
Guest:You're supposed to figure this out as you go along.
Guest:And I bet that's similar to Guy Pearce.
Guest:Like I bet that he felt so hemmed in
Guest:by Nolan's very exacting nature, right?
Guest:And that, especially with that script, which is this puzzle box, right?
Guest:So it had to be precise.
Guest:And I'm sure he was like, what the fuck am I doing from one minute to the next here?
Guest:And this guy was like, don't worry, you're good.
Guest:All good.
Guest:Seems fine.
Guest:And I realized like, oh yeah, you can give a tremendous performance and not know it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Even be unhappy with it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And like you, you know, I doubt, I don't know how many times he's seen it, but he probably winces when he sees it because he probably has bad memories of it.
Marc:But this is an actor who had to play a person pretending to know, you know, where he was and a person not knowing where they were.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And who knows how they shot it?
Guest:Like in what level of order it was shot in.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, I mean, it's too bad that he thinks that's his worst performance, because I honestly think it's one of his best performances, if not his best one.
Marc:And I want him in more movies, by the way.
Marc:I saw him in The Brutalist.
Marc:I just want him in more movies.
Guest:Damn it.
Guest:uh well you've already mentioned that your number one is once upon a time in hollywood which uh you know we could we could do a whole nother episode on i'm sure yes uh and what is your number one well it was already mentioned i didn't say it but it was on your list as well as it's number one on mine and uh not only could i do another episode about it i have done three yeah
Guest:one hour episodes about it.
Guest:And over three, over three hours of podcasting about Mad Max Fury Road is my number one movie of the century and probably very possibly of all time.
Guest:I think it's in the running for me as greatest movie of all time.
Marc:Man, that's great.
Marc:A great, great list.
Guest:Yeah, I got no problem with these lists, dude.
Guest:You were like, oh, I agonized over this.
Guest:I'm like, I'd put this up against anybody's.
Marc:But look, the darlings that I had to kill, I wanted to put the 40-year-old virgin on there.
Marc:I wanted to put other movies that I'm just like, I just can't figure out a place to put them on.
Guest:But that's the thing there.
Guest:Like I, I do have a tier of ones that are like that, that I, that like super bad.
Guest:Great.
Guest:You know, I love that.
Guest:That put that, but I, there's no way I could justify it bouncing any one of these movies, let alone other movies from like similar direct, the same directors that I didn't put on the list.
Guest:You know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like I'm not going to think super bad's better than there will be blood or Django or, or inglorious bastards.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, man, I'm going to fire up Once Upon a Time in Hollywood this weekend.
Marc:I mean, it's just going to happen.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I mean, it was like July when that came out.
Guest:It's the perfect time, summertime.
Guest:Watch that again.
Guest:It really is.
Guest:I wish I had a convertible to watch it.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Zip around.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh my God.
Guest:Well, this was a lot of fun for me to fill out.
Guest:I'm sure the same for you.
Guest:Uh, and so, uh, not to, you know, basically drum up the New York times business.
Guest:They don't need our help with it, but I will put the link in the episode description if you want to do this as well.
Guest:And, uh, you know, it's a, Hey, it's a fun time.
Guest:You need fun, right?
Guest:Like what Mel Brooks said, what else do you live for in life?
Guest:Occasionally a grilled cheese sandwich and fun.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And so if you want to go into the episode description, click on that.
Guest:You can also click on the link to send us a comment, send us your questions, send us anything you're thinking about.
Guest:And we will keep reading those things here on the Friday show.
Guest:Got a special show lined up for you next week with a guest.
Guest:So we will just leave it at that.
Guest:I'm not going to go any further than tell you it will be a guested show.
Guest:And so that is next week.
Guest:And until then, I'm Brendan and that's Chris.
Guest:Peace!