BONUS Producer Cuts - Rich Aronovitch, Ari Aster and Marc's Monologues
Marc:It was a busy day yesterday in some ways.
Marc:I was jamming with some new people.
Marc:That was fun.
Marc:And get into a situation where I can jam more often with humans.
Marc:I'm thinking about doing a little more music after the podcast, doing a little more music.
Marc:Probably doing a bit more acting.
Marc:I'll keep in touch with you guys.
Marc:I think I'll keep going on the updates for you.
Marc:Occasionally, I'll check in one way or the other.
Marc:Maybe on the old IG Live.
Marc:But music, why not?
Marc:Why not do it?
Marc:I'm going to do some music.
Marc:There's only a couple of things I want to do before I die.
Marc:You know, I want to do more music, and I want to direct a movie, and then I'm good.
Marc:And then I'm good.
Marc:Then I can jump off a cliff while shooting a selfie video.
Marc:Yeah, that'd be a nice way to go out, get some last words in, have enough time to talk it through, tell you where I need to be.
Marc:Anyway, look, I was playing that song.
Marc:I'm doing...
Marc:Some of you know this bit.
Marc:There's a bit that I do.
Marc:There's a song, and I probably have talked about it before, that has a profound effect on me.
Marc:And it's a Taylor Swift song.
Marc:I'm not going to tell you more than that because I don't want to spoil the surprise.
Marc:But those of you who know the Taylor Swift thing from my show, yeah, I don't want to spoil anything.
Marc:But it's a song, and I decided I'm going to play it.
Marc:I'm going to play it, and I'm going to sing it.
Marc:And I kind of figured out how to make it dirty, but keep it a little intense, keep it kind of heavy, kind of a little Neil Young-ish.
Marc:But I couldn't get through it without fucking getting choked up.
Marc:It's crazy.
Marc:It's crazy.
Marc:I noodled a little bit of it at the end of this show.
Marc:So, you know, there's that.
Marc:And I got to go see my dad.
Marc:I got to go see my dad, spend some time in the hometown, and hopefully my cats don't destroy my house.
Marc:Though I have someone staying here, it's fine.
Marc:They still get very sad.
Marc:Charlie just turns into a fuck.
Marc:You see why I dance?
Guest:No, you're that guy.
Guest:Yeah, I have a very... You remind me a little of Mark Cohen.
Guest:I just... Is that bad?
Guest:No, I mean, we're just together and it's like everyone's like, you guys are going to get along famously.
Guest:Did you?
Guest:Yeah, I like him a lot.
Guest:No, he's great.
Guest:He's like, he's just, he's the only guy I've seen on all the time and it's not annoying.
Guest:It's not annoying.
Guest:It's endearing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's like so like.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:No, he was, he was always that guy and he would host at the cellar and he can play guitar.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:Does he do it?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He was playing backstage at a phenomenal time with him.
Guest:I loved him.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:I think you were- We were getting, it's like Uncle Marky.
Guest:We just had this, we had a good bounce.
Guest:I could see that.
Guest:Yeah, for sure.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I realized, because one of the guys, he was basically like, this is a lot.
Guest:This is a lot.
Guest:The two of you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then I say, okay, I'm going to dial it back.
Guest:I'm going to give him a little space.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guest:I don't want to get in his head or-
Guest:What's the structure out there?
Guest:It's a showcase?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So it's Mark goes on.
Guest:And he hosts?
Guest:He hosts.
Guest:And then it's- Four guys?
Guest:20s?
Guest:It's 20, 20, 20.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Four of us.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And they mix up the order, which is nice.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And you're there for a week?
Guest:You're there for a week.
Guest:You do two shows a night.
Guest:People go?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, people go, and it's not people from the hotel.
Guest:It's like people have come by.
Guest:Because the reputation of the place precedes itself?
Guest:And it's been around for a little while, and they have good shows.
Guest:They have good comics out there.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And a guy who dances.
Guest:And you're dancing?
Guest:No.
No.
Marc:And you stayed at the hotel?
Guest:Yeah, I stayed at the hotel, and I rented a car, and we'd get out.
Guest:I mean, they'd get me out of here.
Guest:What hotel is it?
Guest:The Rio.
Marc:Oh, yeah?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Too much after a while?
Marc:Do you get to eat in the employee kitchen?
Marc:It's not.
Guest:No, I know.
Guest:It's sad.
Guest:Maybe we went there twice, three times.
Guest:It was prison food.
Guest:Mark lives out there, right?
Guest:Yeah, he lives out there.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I can't imagine how hard it is to do that every single—he gets one day off a week, and he's doing two shows a night for this.
Guest:I mean, it's got to be brutal.
Guest:Yeah, but it's a living.
Guest:It's a living, and it's local, and yes, he can be stable, I guess.
Guest:I've never interviewed him.
Guest:I really need to do that.
Guest:Have I not?
Guest:I don't—I wouldn't know.
Guest:Can you just pull up my catalog real quick?
Guest:I didn't.
Marc:I turned my phone off.
Marc:I can't believe, like, I feel like I've never interviewed Mark Cohen.
Marc:And that can't be true.
Marc:I must have.
Marc:It's horrible that I'm at that place.
Marc:Well, you're obviously running out of people.
Marc:I'm here.
Marc:No.
Marc:It's just like there's a new generation of comics, you know, that I can interview now.
Marc:And then some people, when I interviewed them, you know, they were nothing.
Marc:And they were just starting out.
Marc:Now they're huge.
Marc:So it's just going to embarrass me if I look this up and I have interviewed him.
Guest:I really hope you haven't.
Marc:I haven't.
Marc:Good.
Marc:That's wild.
Guest:It's good.
Guest:Why hasn't that happened?
Guest:Yeah, he's really entertaining.
Marc:Well, I mean, we just go way back.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:All right.
Marc:So here on the ground, my trip to Albuquerque the last few days, you know, spending time with the old man.
Marc:It's odd because he's got a belligerence to him, but it's just it's just a kind of habit or an emotional thing.
Marc:He's very intolerant of a lot of things.
Marc:Not on principle, but out of what seems to be irritation and like pettiness.
Marc:It's a kind of a, you know, fuck them all kind of disposition.
Marc:And by all, when he says fuck all of them, it's not specific.
Marc:It means pretty much everyone.
Marc:And I guess that's sad, but it's almost like he's kind of swaggering when he says it.
Marc:It's not out of hate.
Marc:He has no patience for chit-chatting with other people.
Marc:He has no patience for how other people live their lives.
Marc:He has no patience for anyone doing their job.
Marc:In relation to him, he has no patience for what he sees and thinks, you know, defines other people's lives.
Marc:He has no patience for any kind of religion, which I understand.
Marc:He has no patience for almost anything, but he's not doing anything.
Marc:He does nothing.
Marc:There's no it's not even, you know, what does that mean to have no patience yet feel compelled to do nothing?
Marc:Generally speaking, he's constantly saying he's bored all the time.
Marc:And it's sort of a problem, but it's kind of been, I think, who he's always been.
Marc:He literally has no friends.
Marc:He doesn't have any interests.
Marc:He doesn't have any hobbies.
Marc:He's kind of, along with fuck them all, he's a what's the point guy.
Marc:What's the point?
Marc:Why don't you get out and walk a little bit?
Marc:What for?
Marc:What's the point?
Marc:Why don't you listen to some music?
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:What's the point?
Marc:I mean, if it were just that he was running out of time, you know, I would get it.
Marc:But he's always kind of been like this.
Marc:He's tried a lot of things.
Marc:He used to get obsessed with things, you know, hobbies and whatnot and cars and everything.
Marc:And then it just it kind of dogs.
Marc:We were showing dogs for a while.
Marc:But then it kind of goes away.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:He loves to instigate shit just by saying provocative bullshit.
Marc:He loves that with no real knowledge of what he's talking about, just to kind of get a rise out of people, just to get that attention.
Marc:And God knows I did that most of my life.
Marc:Arguably, I still do it.
Marc:It's kind of my job.
Marc:But it's still kind of, you know, kind of just trying to take them in.
Marc:I mean, all these, you know, all these things, all that I'm talking about, despite the dementia, they're all kind of all these personality attributes are still pretty present.
Marc:And, you know, it seems like most of them are kind of.
Marc:It's attention seeking, negative attention seeking.
Marc:It seems to be this is like this is the not so elaborate fence around his fairly fragile ego.
Marc:I mean, if I call him out on anything, I mean, he retreats pretty quickly.
Marc:He gives up pretty quickly.
Marc:He just gets a kick out of getting my ire up.
Marc:And the truth is, you know, like I said before, I have a lot of these qualities.
Marc:And I've tried to manage and wrangle and choose other paths.
Marc:I mean, but the whole what's the point angle, that's kind of tricky.
Marc:What is the point?
Marc:You know what I mean?
Marc:Huh?
Marc:What is it?
Marc:It just feels to me, and I know that...
Marc:I mean, this isn't some sort of mind-blowing observation, and it's certainly not mine, but when I come up with it, it feels like mine.
Marc:It just seems if you're looking for things outside of yourself to define your life or who you are, you're going to end up pretty empty at the end, pretty bored and pretty cranky.
Marc:Now, I don't know what causes that.
Marc:I don't know if it's a kind of a part of narcissism.
Marc:First, I don't think I've caught you up on the fact that, you know, I was away last weekend and I can't relax out there because I don't know what the fuck my cat Charlie's doing.
Marc:I don't know how much of a terror he's being.
Marc:I don't know what he's fucking putting my other cats through.
Marc:I just have this one wild, out of control, fucking angry, jealous little freak that
Marc:That is Charlie Beans Roscoe.
Marc:And I don't know, it's just these weird, I come home and, you know, Buster's terrified to do anything because Charlie just won't get off him.
Marc:Sam is just sort of like, who do I hang out with?
Marc:Which guy's the tough guy?
Marc:What am I supposed to do?
Marc:He's not even Switzerland.
Marc:He's just this kind of nervous bystander that kind of goes with the flow and tries to help whoever comes out beat up.
Marc:That's Sam.
Marc:So I come home and it's crazy.
Marc:And Charlie, he looks crazy.
Marc:He now, it's not, it doesn't look cute to me.
Marc:This is just a crazy animal that I have very limited control over.
Marc:So I get home and he's still pissed off.
Marc:I think he's pissed off that I'm home.
Marc:I think that he's like, look, I just took charge of this place.
Marc:I got this fucker buster right where I want him.
Marc:Sammy's mine if I want him, but this is my house.
Marc:Why the fuck don't you just commit to coming or going?
Marc:Why don't you?
Marc:Because now I got to take you on.
Marc:Now you're the guy.
Marc:You want a piece of me, man?
Marc:That's the look he has in his eye.
Marc:And I'll give it to him.
Marc:I'll fight him.
Marc:So now I'm breaking up fights with him and Buster.
Marc:I'm kind of kicking him around myself.
Marc:Not kicking, but it's like you're going to come at me with that intensity.
Marc:You're going to bite my arm.
Marc:You're going to act all freaked out because it's me.
Marc:You want to fight me?
Marc:So I gently manage him with my hands.
Marc:No hitting, just a little fun popping.
Marc:See where he's really at.
Marc:Is he really angry?
Marc:Is he playing?
Marc:But all I know is he's worked up and it takes him a day to unfuck himself to like realize that I'm home.
Marc:At least for now, I got it.
Marc:You know, when he comes upstairs, the first night I'm home, I got to lock him in my room, give Buster a break, give Sam a break and just sit there with Charlie and be like, what are we doing, pal?
Marc:Where are we at?
Marc:You're going to give me that look fine.
Marc:But what do you want to do?
Marc:You want to go at it?
Marc:What do you want to do?
Marc:Where are we at with this?
Marc:And once the door is closed and he's sitting on my bed, he becomes a very sweet guy.
Marc:So outside of these beautiful moments that we have together during the night where he's like a sweet little guy, he's just a fucking lunatic.
Marc:And I know, I know a lot of you are like, yeah, well, you didn't stay with the Prozac long enough.
Marc:I still don't really want to do that.
Marc:I've actually, I'm so tired now.
Marc:I'm so tired of being a codependent cat person.
Marc:They're just fucking cats.
Marc:They're animals.
Marc:They'll be okay.
Marc:But I'm just like, what do I do about this?
Marc:I can't have Buster all tweaked out and fucked up all the time.
Marc:He's got a, only got one kidney.
Marc:You're beating up on it, but on some level it's karma because Buster used to beat up on Monkey when he was sick and old.
Marc:Buster would just beat the shit out of him and I had to like break them up.
Marc:So this is somewhat karma, but I'm not the dictator of that.
Marc:I am not the karma overseer.
Marc:Creates mayhem in the house.
Marc:And I got to be honest, kids have got to be easier because at least they grow out of this shit.
Marc:They might get into more shit, but it's more adult shit.
Marc:You know, you just got to wait for a cat to like settle the fuck down.
Marc:And I just don't know if it's going to happen.
Marc:I'm okay.
Marc:They're all okay.
Marc:But now I'm entertaining the thought of like, well, I guess Charlie's going with me wherever I go now.
Marc:I'm going to be a guy that's taking the cat on the road.
Marc:You know, and just letting him deal because he can't be without me because he's a jealous, possessive, territorial, aggravated fuck?
Marc:I don't know, man.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:What was I thinking about?
Marc:I don't know if I can quite...
Marc:put this into words, but you know, to quote Sidney Pollack from Michael Clayton, people are fucking incomprehensible.
Marc:People are incomprehensible.
Marc:People are incomprehensible.
Marc:And it's, I don't really fully understand why that has stuck with me for so long and why it means something to me, but it's true.
Marc:And,
Marc:It's true.
Marc:People are fucking incomprehensible because they're they're complicated.
Marc:They're complex.
Marc:I mean, yeah, we're all of the same species.
Marc:We all have habits and behaviors and do things within the confines of laws or life and all that.
Marc:But what's bubbling around in somebody's being, who the fuck knows?
Marc:But I do know it's broad and it's hard to to just dismiss or put someone in a box, at least before it's time to put them in a box.
Marc:And the reason I'm talking about this is because, you know, I'm always surprised.
Marc:All right.
Marc:I'm trying to understand what I'm trying to say as I say it to you.
Marc:But I had a couple of events where, you know, when you make assumptions about people and you limit them, it's not even stereotyping.
Marc:It's just something your brain does to kind of feel like you have some amount of control.
Marc:But you don't know what the fuck anyone's going to do.
Marc:You just kind of hope for the best.
Marc:And you try to surround yourself with people that aren't going to surprise you.
Marc:in a way where you're like, I don't know if I can hang around with this person anymore.
Marc:What the fuck was that all about?
Marc:There's just things in there.
Marc:But I think the broader point is that, you know, when you do kind of characterize somebody in a certain way for a certain thing, that you're probably missing most of it.
Marc:It's not a tip of the iceberg thing, but it's really not doing justice to the full scope of any individual.
Marc:And I think it's a problem...
Marc:in a big way, you know, just with the way the world is.
Marc:It's a very binary world, a very black and white world.
Marc:Like, you know, fuck this person, they did that, fuck them forever.
Marc:Or I don't like that person because, you know, I didn't like that thing he did or she did or, you know, that's who they are and whatever.
Marc:Who the fuck knows who anybody is?
Marc:And the reason I'm thinking about this is that
Marc:I don't know, man.
Marc:I've had a couple experiences lately.
Marc:You know, I had a guy.
Marc:I heard a guy who I know who, you know, how I feel about him.
Marc:It's not great.
Marc:You know, I've got a lot of judgment.
Marc:And, you know, I heard that he stole a joke of mine.
Marc:It's an old joke.
Marc:And I didn't really care.
Marc:I don't do the joke anymore.
Marc:But this is comedy shit.
Marc:And I, you know, I kind of called him on it and I said, look, man, you know, I do.
Marc:I did that joke a million years ago and it's up on my my social media.
Marc:Now it's up on my Instagram.
Marc:The guy who runs my Instagram threw it up there, an old version of it.
Marc:So I know it's out in the world again.
Marc:And I heard you doing a similar joke.
Marc:And he goes, it's not a similar joke.
Marc:And I said, well, tell me your joke.
Marc:And he told me his joke.
Marc:I'm like, that is sort of a similar joke, if not the same joke.
Marc:And we kind of went back and forth.
Marc:And then I kind of blew up at the guy.
Marc:And I was like, you know, it's just a principle of the thing, man.
Marc:You can't you can't just fucking do that.
Marc:But as the conversation went on, knowing going into it.
Marc:That I didn't really care.
Marc:And it was the principle of the thing.
Marc:And what it indicated about him, that this guy's got this moral lapse or he's not aware that he's doing this or he doesn't give a fuck.
Marc:And that makes him a shitty person.
Marc:And that makes him a shitty comic.
Marc:And that makes him somebody who is untrustworthy and somebody who is driving towards something, a goal of their own.
Marc:And they're willing to do whatever is necessary to do that.
Marc:See, I've just broadened this guy's personality out into this, relatively speaking, kind of a monster, a lower level monster, but nonetheless a monster.
Marc:And, you know, after I got into it with him, you know, it just became this thing where it was like, all right, so Jesus Christ, he's got other things.
Marc:He's got other problems.
Marc:He's, you know, like whether he stops doing the joke or not, you said your piece.
Marc:What do you want out of this guy?
Marc:And then it just turns out that like the vulnerability of the cat, you know, it's like he just, you know, he's going to be who he is.
Marc:And it's a lot more complicated than whatever I'm mad about or whatever I've decided he is, what he lives with or where he goes or where he ends up and all that shit in his life.
Marc:And I was like, you know, why don't you just try to fucking let things go?
Marc:You don't got to like this guy.
Marc:But just, you know, realize that he's his own person.
Marc:He's a complicated person.
Marc:And he's got to make his way through life.
Marc:A lot of times if you're acting on the binary, we're like this or that.
Marc:You did that.
Marc:So you're this.
Marc:It's not doing anybody a favor.
Marc:It's a disservice to humanity.
Marc:I guess there's a long way of saying, you know, open heartedness is somewhat important.
Marc:I had another situation where a guy was talking shit about me, you know, for something that happened a million years ago.
Marc:And I was like, you know, fuck this guy.
Marc:You know, what the fuck?
Marc:I didn't even know.
Marc:And then, like, I got to work with him.
Marc:And I don't really know him.
Marc:And right away, we talked it out.
Marc:And, look, I'm not saying we're going to be friends.
Marc:But, you know, I did understand that, like, for whatever reason, a lot of times these guys just want me to like them.
Marc:And I don't even know what that's about.
Marc:But, okay.
Marc:But...
Marc:What goes on in your mind and whatever is worth fighting for in terms of these type of small, you know, almost petty interactions, it just causes so much stress and it makes you a fucking monster too.
Marc:I guess this is as simple as, you know, you see yourself in other people.
Marc:And when you do see yourself in other people, I mean, it shouldn't be like, oh, fuck.
Marc:You know, I'm like that guy.
Marc:It should be like, oh, fuck.
Marc:You know, I get it.
Marc:I get where they're coming from.
Marc:All right.
Marc:And while that was a great exercise in judging myself and seeing myself in others, but maybe instead of hating myself for that part of me and then hating that guy, you know, I should just be like, well, maybe you should just keep an eye on that part of you and forgive that fucker for whatever the hell it is that he did that is sort of like you.
Marc:Right?
Marc:And, you know, I'm still plowing away at the exercise.
Marc:A lot of this stuff is starting to feel like, dude, come on.
Marc:Give it a rest.
Marc:Give yourself a rest.
Marc:Reel it in.
Marc:You've only got a certain amount of time left.
Marc:What are you going to do?
Marc:And I know I talk about this a lot.
Marc:But, you know, I was recently, you know, I went to the, there's just these little things that are happening.
Marc:Little things that are happening.
Marc:And, again, I'm not trying to be depressing.
Marc:I'm not going to go all out.
Marc:Like my buddy Jerry says, you know, something's in the mail for everybody.
Marc:And that's true, but I'm not obsessing about that.
Marc:But I was driving the other night and I couldn't focus my eyes.
Marc:And I was like, what the fuck is happening now?
Marc:It's a fucking brain tumor.
Marc:What is going on?
Marc:And I just got new glasses that I paid for, you know, like expensive sunglasses.
Marc:And the prescription I have is over a year old.
Marc:But I was like, what is going on at night, especially?
Marc:Why can't I see the distance without it being slightly doubled?
Marc:And I'm like, I'm in trouble.
Marc:And I go over to Dr. Kane, my jazz optometrist.
Marc:And, you know, I tell him, like, I don't know, when I tilt my glasses over, if I pull one side down, I can see clear.
Marc:He's like, yeah, that's a problem.
Marc:So we get on the machine, flipping through the lenses.
Marc:And he's like, you got an alignment problem.
Marc:I'm like, what is that?
Marc:What is happening now?
Marc:It's like, this happens.
Marc:Things change.
Marc:I think things change is a nice way of putting it.
Marc:As you get older, things change.
Marc:Yeah, things are breaking down, you mean.
Marc:Things are going, what, south on me.
Marc:You know, I still got my hair.
Marc:That's all right.
Marc:But, yeah, so I had to get a new prescription with a prism.
Marc:And I don't know why that bothers me.
Marc:Like, I was like, does everyone need a prism?
Marc:He's like, well, I said, why can't you just make the prescription?
Marc:So, you know, like just base the centering of the eyes on me tilting my glasses right way, you know, to the right.
Marc:He goes, well, that creates a prism.
Marc:You know, there's a triangulation or something.
Marc:It was relatively complicated.
Marc:I don't think it was physics.
Marc:But so I had to get a new prescription.
Marc:Now I got to get these glasses remade and it's my fault.
Marc:So it's going to cost me a fortune to get the lenses.
Marc:This happens all the fucking time with my eyes.
Marc:And then I get the new prescription and they don't feel right.
Marc:And then I freak out and I get another prescription.
Marc:It's like, fuck it.
Marc:People are like, just get Lasix.
Marc:I'm like, I'm not getting Lasix at this time.
Marc:But he looked inside my eye with the new equipment and all my capillaries and optic nerves cluster and the other thing looking pretty good.
Marc:There's some stuff.
Marc:He had a little bit of cataract action happening, but nothing to worry about yet.
Marc:It's coming.
Marc:It's all coming.
Marc:God damn it.
Marc:Right?
Marc:Huh?
Marc:Right?
Marc:Okay.
Marc:All right.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:I'll be okay.
Marc:Right?
Guest:I don't know why I'm bringing up Brisson now.
Marc:Because it's against manipulation.
Marc:And when you strip something raw like that, whatever humanity you're putting forward or whatever you're putting together as film has to be reckoned with in a different way.
Marc:There's no lubrication to it.
Guest:Yeah, it's a Brechtian thing.
Guest:I'm just like, I'm going to keep reminding you that this is artificial.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:And I'm going to keep underscoring the artifice.
Guest:Yeah, the French guys did that too.
Guest:Yes, well, yeah, especially Godard, who, you know, is somebody that I, like, you love him, and then, okay.
Guest:Yeah, how many times can you watch him, though?
Guest:No, no.
Guest:There are a few of those that I really love, but I also find, I mean, I find him interesting because he's, like, such a scold in a way that I find, like... It's funny.
Guest:It's funny.
Guest:It's a lot of fuck you.
Guest:Yeah, and some of his films are huge for me, and I love Weekend, I love My Life to Live, or vis-a-vis.
Guest:But, I don't know, some of those are tough.
Marc:Yeah, but tough's okay.
Marc:I mean, I don't always love it.
Marc:As I get older, I don't love it as much as I did when I was younger, where I thought, no, you just got to get through it and figure it out.
Marc:But I do want to just say, at the end of Midsommar, I think what's interesting is that...
Marc:The quest for community, connection, love, support, somehow or another, I think what I'm trying to say is in that final moment, it overrode the reality of what the expectations of that community were for that woman.
Marc:That, you know, there was a moment of relief that she was able to feel, you know, kind of like free of her grief.
Marc:You know, even though she just, you know, kind of facilitated the death of her boyfriend.
Marc:But nonetheless, that's quite a feat, you know, in terms of the humanity of the thing.
Guest:Oh, well, thanks.
Guest:Yeah, it's, you know, it's...
Guest:That movie in particular has sort of like a fairy tale structure where she loses a family and then at the end she gains a family.
Guest:But it's pretty complicated.
Guest:And I guess a cult for me feels like a pretty good metaphor for a family.
Guest:Like no matter what, you're just dealing with the temptables.
Marc:I mean, I think the Manson family.
Marc:That's right.
Marc:Yeah.