BONUS The Friday Show - Remake My Day
Guest:It was such a throwback to go into a movie and be like, oh, you mean this is going to be over and done with in less than two hours?
Guest:God, what a joy.
Guest:I hear the new Naked Gun is like 75 minutes, which it's like, they should put that on the posters.
Guest:Totally.
Guest:The shortest movie of the year.
Guest:100%.
Guest:I actually think they would sell tickets.
Guest:Hey, Chris.
Guest:Hey, Brandon.
Guest:I would say this is the end of an era for me, but I somehow think it's not going to be.
Guest:Because this week is like the last week that while we're doing this podcast, I will be accompanying Mark to press events.
Guest:And I was thinking that for a moment in time.
Guest:I was like, it's probably the last time this will happen.
Guest:But then I realized...
Guest:that's definitely not going to be the case.
Guest:Like if he's here in New York and he's doing something, I will get a phone call.
Guest:And it's like, Hey, you want to come to this?
Guest:And, and I realized that the reason for that is like, we were, uh, we were driving over to, um, Seth Meyers the other day and, uh,
Guest:What's that?
Marc:Humble brag.
Marc:How is that a humble brag?
Marc:Just, you know, we're just driving over to Seth Meyers.
Marc:It's cool.
Marc:Like one does.
Marc:It is literally the job.
Guest:Like that is a job.
Guest:I'm just teasing you.
Guest:Go on.
Guest:But we, uh, believe me, if there was something I wanted to humble brag about, it would not be, I'm in a rental car driving over to the place I worked at for 10 years.
Guest:You know, you drove in the city.
Guest:Mark rented a car and drove?
Guest:No, no, no.
Guest:It's like if you are booked on a late night show, they send a car for you.
Guest:Oh, right.
Guest:That makes more sense.
Guest:They don't allow you to be like, I'll get there by myself.
Guest:They need like tabs on you at all times.
Guest:So anyway, we drive over there and it's just me and Mark and his manager, David, in the car.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, you know, everything seems fine.
Guest:Seems like things are going okay.
Guest:We get out of the car.
Guest:Some of those parasites jump on Mark that he talked about on the show.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Thursday, the signers.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And as that's happening, also there were some people with like little kids who wanted to take a picture with Mr. Snake.
Guest:I thought that was funny.
Guest:With the snake.
Guest:Nice.
Guest:But as we're doing that, his manager says to me, you can't go on vacation ever again.
Yeah.
Guest:What did he shield you from?
Guest:I'm like, I got news for you, David.
Guest:We're two months out of a permanent vacation.
Guest:You guys got to figure something out, man, because I am not going to be here for you all the time.
Guest:And he's like, oh, man, it's so funny because usually...
Guest:He's like, I can always tell what the week or what the day or anything is going to be like when there's a stock set of answers that come with the question, how's it going?
Guest:And he said for like two weeks there, it was...
Guest:How's it going?
Guest:Not good.
Marc:Usually stuff that you get is now being directed over to him.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And then he said he, you know, saw him this week and, you know, every time he's seen him, he's been like, oh, hey, how's it going?
Guest:Okay.
Yeah.
Guest:So he's like, you're the okay.
Marc:See, the thing is, is Mark is like a fire hose and he gets to, you know, split the hose off.
Marc:So it's not that harsh.
Marc:The split valves.
Marc:Yes, exactly.
Marc:Without one of those valves, that shit is going to be a geyser, baby.
Marc:Say hello to Mr. Firehose.
Marc:100%.
Guest:Holy cow.
Guest:So, yes, I have a feeling that my unofficial role in future Mark New York press tours will just be a guy who comes to things.
Marc:I think we can say friend.
Marc:It's a friend.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But, well, I don't know.
Guest:I mean, like, yes, but he doesn't ask, like, Sam Lipsight to go to these things.
Guest:He doesn't ask, you know, it's like, he's got friends.
Guest:And, like, that's who he went to dinner with last night.
Guest:Like, his friends.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:But, like, I think it's just, I'm not presenting this as a negative, by the way.
Guest:This is just, this is a thing I fully accept.
Guest:That it's like, oh, there's something I have an ability to do for this guy.
Guest:He appreciates it.
Guest:I guess I can do that.
Guest:Like...
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Calm his nerves.
Guest:Exactly.
Marc:You are a calming agent.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like, have you listened to those episodes while you're on vacation?
Marc:Him having friends, those are like turbulent relationships, you know, where like there are ups and there are downs.
Marc:With you, you're like a soothing blanket.
Marc:You're like a weighted blanket for Mars.
Guest:I think it's funny because people have always asked me.
Guest:Somebody even asked it in the comments sent in to us recently, like one of the last couple of days.
Guest:People have asked me a lot of times, based on Mark's material,
Guest:am I the guy or the guy he goes to when he drains the main guy?
Guest:Cause that's like his joke, right?
Guest:I only need two friends.
Guest:And I, I don't know.
Guest:I've never asked him, but I don't think I'm one of those two guys.
Guest:And therefore I don't, and this again, this is not a negative.
Guest:I'm not presenting this negatively.
Guest:Um,
Guest:I don't think I qualify in his brain as one of his friends.
Guest:I don't mean that in a way like he doesn't like me or we're not, we are not friends.
Guest:We are friends, but we are this other thing in his brain.
Guest:This is a sui generis relationship that he does not have with anyone else.
Guest:And so therefore it's not definable along the same terms as friend or not friend.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, dude, you're like Wayne and Garth.
Marc:What does Wayne say to Garth?
Marc:This is my heterosexual life mate.
Marc:That's you and Mark.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Or Cliff and Rick Dalton.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:More than a brother, but not quite a wife.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, for sure.
Guest:um well that's that's uh yeah i i it's it was just it was a funny thing to be like recognizing it as i was coming up on the end of something and be like no i don't think this is gonna be the end of this yes i think this is gonna be something that happens for a long time you know he's he's like very nervous for no and i keep saying like this you don't have to be nervous about this he's like very nervous that i'm never going to talk to him again once this is done
Guest:He said to me, he said, you know that scene at the end of Casino when Frank Vincent, you know, I forget what character his name is in that, but, you know, he plays the guy on The Sopranos, Phil Leotardo, right?
Guest:And so he's in Casino.
Guest:He's like one of Joe Pesci's henchmen, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then when they go to the cornfield at the end, he like immediately turns on him because, you know, the other guys want Joe Pesci rubbed out and they've just, you know, brutally beat him to death with baseball bats and bury him in a shallow grave.
Guest:And like Mark was like, I feel like that's what you're going to do to me as soon as this podcast is over.
Yeah.
Marc:See, I would have thought it would be like Goodfellas where Pauly is giving Ray Liotta some money.
Marc:Now I got to turn my back on you.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:Oh, you said that stuff publicly about Taylor Swift.
Guest:Now I got to turn my back on you.
Guest:uh by the way happy mark uh special day like yes well it is today as you're hearing this i i'm sure i actually don't know i this is something i should know i don't know if it's streaming on hbo max immediately or if it has to wait until it's on hbo because it's on hbo tonight oh really or something
Guest:Yeah, whenever they put it on.
Guest:I don't know if that means you can watch it earlier in the day.
Guest:So you listening to this will find that out before we have.
Marc:I hope I can watch it before because I'm going to see Bob Dylan and Wilco tonight.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Marc:Where's that happening?
Marc:Jones Beach.
Marc:Oh, okay.
Marc:Very nice.
Marc:I've never seen a show out in Jones Beach.
Marc:Oh, it's great.
Marc:But I'm so excited for this special.
Marc:From all accounts, it sounds like it's one of his best ones.
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, I mean, definitely, I believe that's true.
Guest:I've loved, you know, his last four specials.
Guest:I really think his last four specials are... You know, he always says, like, I think I'm doing my best work.
Guest:I think he's done his best with each of those specials successively.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:So going back to, like, Two Real...
Guest:you know, too real.
Guest:And then, um, end times fun.
Guest:And then the last one, the last one was really his best special, like from bleak to dark.
Guest:That was his best special.
Guest:And I guess, you know, your mileage may vary on, on this one, whether it tops that one.
Guest:Um, but I, what I do think, you know, maybe the material, uh,
Guest:won't land as poignantly because it, like with the material of From Bleak to Dark, it was really, you know, so much of it was tied up in the aftermath of Lin dying, right?
Guest:And so there's this real up and down to it.
Guest:And he, you know, part of the skill of that special was him kind of equalizing those two things.
Guest:Right.
Guest:This doesn't have that kind of emotional fulcrum, but I think he gets there on something.
Guest:And it's going to be interesting for you because you have seen the early days of him developing this material.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You'll know a lot of it.
Guest:But it's in different shape, right?
Guest:I can't wait.
Guest:I think you'll be surprised to know where they land in things.
Guest:Oh, interesting.
Guest:Where things you've heard before are in relation to the newer material or just the structure of the special.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That was interesting to me.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I'm shocked to learn that the Chris Rock bit got pulled.
Guest:It didn't fit into where, you know, the... It didn't fit into the special because that joke needs to set up a larger piece that almost didn't make sense anymore.
Guest:Like if you remember what it was, it's setting up...
Guest:the conflict in the Middle East and how it relates to American imperialism.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And the punchline is basically like, you know, Americans set the template for what is going to go on there in terms of taking people's land and building casinos.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And Trump has said he's going to do that.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So it's like the joke got killed.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, yeah.
Guest:So, you know, it's all tied up in that joke and the Chris Rock thing.
Guest:And so it just didn't have a place in the special once he decided, well, that joke doesn't work anymore.
Guest:Thanks to fucking Trump.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:So I'm dying to see it.
Marc:I can't wait to see it.
Marc:I'm jealous that you've seen it probably twice now by the time.
Marc:I've seen it.
Marc:I saw it twice happening live and then I've watched the special a few times.
Marc:Oh my goodness.
Marc:And stay to the credits because Brendan's in the credits apparently.
Marc:It was news to me.
Marc:Can't wait.
Guest:Can't wait.
Guest:I only saw that in like watching it.
Guest:Nobody told me.
Guest:Oh wow.
Guest:And then there was my name in the credits and I was like wait a minute I'm a producer on this?
Guest:And he's like yeah that was only fair.
Marc:That's amazing.
Marc:You did the Leo pointing meme.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:Ari Aster was on your show.
Marc:He sure was.
Marc:I am.
Marc:First of all, I love that his mom doesn't.
Marc:really likes too much of his stuff, you know, not everything.
Marc:But it's weird that Mark didn't relate with Ari with his parents and his mom.
Marc:Like I, it made me think, man, I guess people don't recognize themselves in art sometimes because that was a very Marc Maron coded movie.
Marc:And also it's extremely funny.
Marc:Maybe it says more about me, but like most of his movies are really funny, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, well, I wouldn't say that the horror ones are funny.
Guest:Ha ha.
Guest:The execution of them, I can understand there's a sly wink to them, right?
Guest:Beau's afraid is funny.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Like I laughed a lot.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Fucking Bill Hader is in it.
Guest:It's funny.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like he's deliberately making it funny.
Guest:I think I love that talk, by the way.
Guest:It's a great talk and it's a great like, you know, if you ask me my personal preference of like the the genre of WTF.
Guest:is interviews with directors you know you can tell from this friday show it's like i love hearing about that stuff i love talking about movies i love you know the process of making movies and directors are the people who know everything and man i loved the part of him talking about how he would cut things from beau is afraid it was very much like
Guest:Paul Thomas Anderson talking about how he would cut Magnolia because personally, I think you shouldn't cut either of those movies.
Guest:In fact, Magnolia, I'm on, I'm full on board on like that movie should be longer, right?
Guest:It's missing stuff.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I really do think these, it's like, it raises the question of whose movie is it?
Guest:Once it's been seen, like once you make it and you see it,
Guest:Whose movie is that?
Guest:Like, and, and like, this goes back to, you know, anytime, like we, we were recently talking about, you had just watched Miami Vice for the first time, the Michael Mann feature film, not the show.
Yeah.
Guest:And it's whatever your opinions are on the movie.
Guest:Some people like it.
Guest:Some people don't.
Guest:I'm hot and cold on it.
Guest:But I think it's indisputable that that movie has an aces opening scene.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Just killer opening.
Guest:And in this club, and you're just, you're not really sure what's going on.
Guest:You're kind of like dropped immediately into their job as vice squad officers.
Guest:But you're in it.
Guest:You're in it.
Guest:And it makes sense.
Guest:You're full in.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And for some reason, in the director's cut of Miami Vice, he starts it with like five additional minutes that are very boring and needless.
Guest:And it just completely unplugs the feeling of that first...
Guest:you know, electroshock of the start of that movie.
Guest:And I'm like, well, yeah, so they call that the director's cut.
Guest:It sucks.
Guest:Like, that's not a good way to start this movie.
Guest:And it's like, it does make you think, like, who's to say?
Guest:Like, if you...
Guest:Is it like once you've let people see it, they own it now?
Guest:They get to say, this is the movie.
Guest:Because I will literally not consider that Miami Vice version to be the movie.
Guest:The movie is the one I saw that opens with the Jay-Z song.
Guest:Right, right.
Marc:And I mean, look, people are arguing that all the time, right?
Marc:There's the Zack Snyder Justice League as opposed to the Justice League that was released in theaters.
Marc:So, you know.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Or I mean, like this goes back to Apocalypse Now.
Guest:Oh, sure.
Guest:Blade Runner.
Guest:How about Blade Runner?
Guest:Oh, Blade Runner's had like five versions.
Marc:right like so like what is the version i mean this was also the complaint about all the star wars and and uh spielberg when he started doing it with uh like et and stuff which he says he now regrets oh yeah dude i watched it and i was i was looking i was like oh no is are they gonna be holding up walkie talkies instead of uh rifles and luckily they had rifles i was like oh good they were gonna shoot those kids in the face
Guest:Thank God they were going to shoot those children off the bicycles.
Guest:I wouldn't have liked this movie otherwise.
Guest:Glad my nieces and nephews got to see this.
Marc:That's how it was in the 80s, man.
Marc:They're shooting you right in the face.
Guest:I'm so glad all these children were here to take that in.
Marc:I love just walking through Bo's Afraid.
Marc:It's like, oh, yeah, there's the city.
Marc:Then there's the suburbs.
Marc:And every time I'm thinking about it, I'm like, oh, man, there's so many funny gags in each of those locales.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The city is just filled, like, berserker mode.
Marc:The suburbs is just fucking hilarious, like my life now.
Marc:Yeah, it's like a blue velvet takeover.
Marc:And then there's country stuff that is just absurd.
Marc:And then there's, like, the brutalist, like, you know, being at your mom's house thing.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Marc:The movie's great.
Marc:And, like, if you haven't watched it and you're a Marc Maron fan, what are you waiting for?
Marc:This movie is for you.
Marc:Like, I can fully recommend it.
Marc:And I know you would say, I can't recommend these movies.
Marc:I'm recommending Bo is Afraid to everyone listening.
Guest:Oh, I recommend plenty of movies.
Guest:That's one where I'm like not willing to take the risk because it's just so specific to a personality, right?
Guest:Like I got it and I was right in there with it.
Guest:It's one of those rare movies that I really love, but I have full understanding of someone who hates it.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:Does that make sense?
Guest:There's plenty of movies where if somebody hates it, I'm like, well, you missed it.
Guest:I don't know, you're too concerned about the popcorn or whatever, but this movie is not that.
Guest:This is one of those movies where I'm like, oh, this will put people off for sure.
Marc:But I'm just going to say, if you're a Marc Maron fan, this movie is coded for you.
Marc:I guess, yeah.
Guest:Well, it's a weird thing with Marc, too, where I think he hamstrings himself sometimes with movies where he thinks that he's supposed to figure something out and gets angry that he can't.
Guest:Because he likened this to that Charlie Kaufman movie, Synecdoche, New York, which is very similar.
Guest:And in the sense that, like...
Guest:it's not always going to make sense.
Guest:This is a lot of this is abstractions and these kind of like weird poetic thoughts of how this guy's manifesting an idea into this real world that he's created.
Guest:And like, I don't know.
Guest:I like that movie too.
Guest:And it's one of those things where it's like, just let it happen to you.
Guest:Exactly.
Marc:Let it wash over you.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You had nothing to figure out.
Marc:Just enjoy the movie.
Guest:Yeah, like I feel like it's part of Mark's like, you know, his own anxiety is that he feels like he's being fucked with if he's not getting it.
Guest:What are you doing?
Guest:Are you saying I'm dumb?
Guest:You know, like I can't get this.
Marc:And it's like, no, no, man, just let it happen.
Marc:I think that all the time when I'm watching a movie, I'm like, am I not getting the thing?
Marc:Because this movie sucks.
Guest:The thing about Bo is Afraid, and another one that made me think this recently was, or in the last several years, was Uncut Gems.
Guest:Both of those movies made me realize that whatever issues I might have, anxiety is not one of them.
Guest:I'm not an anxious person.
Guest:And it's because I talk to people, particularly with Uncut Gems, I talk to people who are like, I could not...
Guest:watch it like i could i it was like a horror movie to me i was watching it through my hands over my eyes and every now and then peeking through my fingers it was way too uh way too tense way too nerve-wracking and all i thought watching that movie was like this asshole's having a bad day like that's what i was thinking too i had to
Guest:No anxiety in that movie whatsoever.
Guest:And it was similar with, I've had people, Dawn, my wife is one of them, but other people, a person I know who is a screenwriter who has worked on sets for a good deal of his life, he cannot watch the show The Studio.
Guest:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He's like, it's too tense.
Guest:I can't watch it.
Guest:Makes me, makes me want to throw up.
Guest:And I'm like, this show is hilarious.
Guest:Like I have, I have no issues with, uh, with the studio, which to me, like the studio reads very true, but also it's like Tropic Thunder.
Guest:Like it's so exaggerated in the satire that I'm not ever like, Oh, this is making me nervous.
Guest:Like I just know things are going to go badly for this guy.
Guest:Cause that's the point of it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:The point is to show how it's not going to work out.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:One last thing about this week's episode is Mark's personal growth in the intro to the Aquafina episode felt purposeful because I guess he's like, you know, people reacted to his previous intros and kind of just letting people rest assured that he is in a better place.
Marc:And he really does feel like he's in a better place.
Guest:Well, that's a rare occurrence where I influenced the intro there.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:You know, usually, I mean, sometimes we talk about it and he says, what do you think I should talk about?
Guest:And I'll like look through my texts and be like, oh, you were talking about this recently.
Guest:Is that somewhere you could go off on?
Guest:So that happens sometimes.
Guest:But this was after Seth Meyers.
Guest:We got in the car.
Guest:We're driving back downtown.
Guest:And he's like, sometimes I just have to realize I can do this.
Guest:Like, I felt good.
Guest:I was like, I know when I do well on these things now.
Guest:It wasn't always like that.
Guest:We were like talking all about his days of Conan and how he would dig himself in the hole and all this stuff.
Guest:So then, you know, I don't know.
Guest:We talked about some more things.
Guest:We start to approach his hotel.
Guest:He's like, all right, I'm going to go in there.
Guest:I'll record the intro for you for Thursday's episode.
Guest:And he's like, I don't know what to talk about, though.
Guest:I was like, talk about what you just said.
Guest:Like what you were just saying here in the car.
Guest:And it's funny.
Guest:I was listening to him do it on the intro, and he was almost...
Guest:nervous really to get to the like i could hear in his voice he even says like i guess what i'm trying to say is and i know it's hard for me to say it but i i feel good about how i've done right like he it's it's like the thing he blurted out to me he was then like second guessing when he was trying to say it to like the audience
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:Man, I don't know if it's because I had a good night's sleep for once, but hearing that in the morning, it put me in a good mood.
Marc:Like Mark and I are, whenever I listen to his monologue, it's always something that's like, you know, very, I'm experiencing very akinly.
Marc:And I don't know, I just, knowing that he had a good day and like just feels good makes me feel good.
Guest:You know, I think that is some of the secret sauce of the show, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He was on like the CBS morning show and he was basically saying that one of the hosts, I forget who it was because she was a guest host.
Guest:She was filling in for Gayle King.
Guest:And she said like, you know, like, oh, well, but you talking about this is good.
Guest:It makes people not feel very alone.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And Mark was like, yeah, that's right.
Guest:Except the downside to that is the people who don't feel like that are like, what's this guy's problem?
Yeah.
Guest:uh i also wanted to say i i should i should mention this of all the press mark did in the last couple weeks and he you know he's gonna probably continue to do more so he's on that cbs morning show and i'm just watching it i'm assuming it's like all the other things he does you do quick hit the people say this and that and there's not much time for back and forth it's just enough time for you to plug your thing and say the things you've got prepared to go one of the hosts
Guest:was incredibly insightful about his comedy, right?
Guest:About Mark's comedy.
Guest:That host is Nate Burleson, who I know who Nate Burleson is because I would select him in fantasy football all the time.
Guest:And I'm like, wait a minute, that's like Nate Burleson from the Seattle Seahawks.
Guest:Like,
Guest:this guy is really smart and good.
Guest:Like he was impressive to me.
Guest:And I'm like, that's, that's wild that he like of all the people that I've heard Mark talking to.
Guest:And like, he had a great interview with Terry gross.
Guest:He had a great interview like on, uh, with several podcasts, uh, uh, Jesse David Fox's podcast and that, that was the first one where I was like, uh,
Guest:Oh, a real solid analysis of Mark's comedy.
Guest:And even though they were constrained by the time and how they could talk about it, I was impressed.
Marc:100%.
Marc:I was shocked at how thorough and like how, you know, just in depth he went.
Marc:And that was honestly one of the best ones I've seen as well.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Uh, yeah.
Guest:Kudos to him.
Guest:I then, you know, I was like, man, where did Nate Burleson go to school?
Guest:Like, did he do some, was he like, you know, some double major or something?
Guest:Right.
Guest:There was, it wasn't just in athletics or something, but then I see, oh, he's Canadian.
Marc:They tend to be smarter.
Marc:That's how that works.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:Anyway, yes, if you didn't get the chance, I'm sure Mark on his socials has posted clips of all the things he's been doing, and you can watch his special today.
Guest:You can watch The Bad Guys 2, which is in theaters.
Guest:I did happen to go to the theater this week, and it was to see a movie that I have already seen.
Guest:I tend to do this quite a lot, especially at the theater near my house.
Guest:You saw Superman?
Guest:It was not Superman.
Guest:I did not see Superman yet.
Guest:But I did have less than 100 minutes, which is so key, to devote to an 80s action film that I love near and dear to me, The Running Man.
Guest:hell yeah um i i love that it was such a like it was such a throwback to go into a movie and be like oh you mean this is gonna be over and done with in less than two hours god it's what a what a joy i hear the new naked gun is like 75 minutes which it's like they should put that on the on the posters totally totally
Guest:Like, especially with their, like the way they're doing the marketing of that, like it's kind of, everything's very arch.
Guest:Like I saw one thing of like Liam Neeson being like, you know, free chili dog with every ticket purchased.
Guest:And then like a disclaimer that was like, does not include chili dog.
Guest:So like they should totally put on the poster, the shortest movie of the year.
Guest:100%.
Guest:I actually think they would sell tickets.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Because I am, I'm there for that.
Marc:Hell, the, the promos before the movie are, are like going to take up half the time.
Marc:Exactly.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They're 30 minutes long.
Guest:Um, but so I go to see the running man.
Guest:I love the running man.
Guest:I think we've talked about it when we talked about Arnold movies.
Guest:Um,
Guest:You have a fan of The Running Man?
Guest:I know you're a fan of Predator.
Marc:Yeah, I like The Running Man.
Marc:I like the aesthetic of The Running Man.
Marc:It's a very cool, sleek, colorful world.
Guest:Yeah, it's so funny.
Guest:There's several of these.
Guest:I think because the movie theater near me does this on purpose, they do these 9 o'clock 80s action movies, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I've seen a bunch of them at the movie theater and they're like, they're always better than I remember.
Guest:Like, I think I'm going to go into them and be disappointed because I'm not, you know, 12 years old anymore.
Guest:And that I'm going to go like, oh yeah, that was kind of for a kid.
Guest:Right now I'm older and it's a little silly.
Guest:No, they always deliver.
Guest:Now, this wasn't RoboCop.
Guest:RoboCop delivered, like, and then some.
Guest:That was fantastic.
Guest:But, like, I've seen a bunch of things at the movie theater where I'm like, these 80s action films really hold up.
Guest:And more and more, I'm starting to believe I was not just talking out of my ass with that theory I tossed out about how, like, these movies were designed to make movies
Guest:their most money in theaters, right?
Guest:Like that was the thought process behind them.
Guest:And as blockbusters started to become the norm, right?
Guest:Star Wars and just the Spielberg aesthetic took over movie making.
Guest:You had like lots of special effects.
Guest:You had, you know, more intense action scenes and that.
Guest:These like movies that weren't made with, you know, gigantic budgets, they still had to deliver.
Guest:Like you had to go into the theater and be like,
Guest:Well, you're going to see some explosions and you're going to see some like, you know, high tech stuff you've never seen before, even if they're only on a 15 million dollar budget or whatever.
Guest:And like home video was not yet a huge moneymaker.
Guest:It was probably like rentals were fine, but not people buying movies and watching them repeatedly at their house.
Guest:Cable was still pretty new.
Guest:It's not really until the DVD market that studios realize they can make a fortune on selling movies to people that they watch over and over again at their home.
Guest:And then it just becomes a natural thing where you're like, well, make movies for DVDs then.
Guest:That's where all those director's cuts come from.
Guest:That Michael Mann director's cut of Miami Vice probably only happened because it was at like the salad days of DVD sell-through, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So they're like, oh, you got to have two copies of everything because people buy it twice.
Marc:Right, right.
Marc:The economics of making movies has shifted greatly.
Guest:Oh, and now it's so much different.
Guest:It's not even funny.
Guest:Mark was telling me he made more money on the bad guys after it went to digital video, like digital video sales, sales and rentals and that.
Guest:He made more money from that.
Guest:than he did for his paycheck for doing the movie.
Guest:And he said it wasn't a bad paycheck.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:Like, he wouldn't have done it if it was a bad paycheck.
Guest:He said, yes, I will do your animated film, even though I don't know what this is or care about it, because you're paying me well.
Guest:And then he made more money from the secondaries.
Guest:Fascinating.
Guest:Wow.
Guest:Totally fascinating.
Guest:Which is, like, why they're doing a sequel.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Of course.
Guest:Like, in their mind, they're like, you're telling me, like, we'll get a triple bite of the apple on this thing?
Guest:Right.
Guest:potentially like quadruple, sextuple, the more of these we make, right?
Guest:Yeah, you have a built-in audience there.
Guest:So all of that was leading me to watch this Running Man and think how satisfying it was, right?
Guest:And then I remember they have remade the Running Man and is coming out later this year with Edgar Wright.
Marc:Yeah, and Glenn Powell is the new Running Man.
Guest:I actually believe...
Guest:it is probably much closer to the book.
Guest:Like, I think that the premise of the book is you're running and as citizens can kill you, right?
Guest:Like that's the idea, right?
Guest:Like, like it's like a manhunt.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:As opposed to a game show that's like pro wrestling where they have characters who are then chosen to get you.
Guest:By the way, I realized that five seconds into the, the, the section of the movie where they start the TV show.
Guest:You're like, this is wrestling.
Guest:I've seen this.
Guest:I was like, that's why.
Guest:why i like this so much because they're just picking wrestlers to go fight the guys like all their dumb gimmicks and everything it's like oh he has to get rid of this jobber and then yeah yeah the jobber goes first and then it's like okay now it's the tag team right now it's the old vet right jim brown goes to get him and they all have gimmicks right oh the fire guy's coming now oh the chainsaw guy's coming now yeah
Guest:Anyway, but still totally satisfying.
Guest:But all I could think when the movie was over was I have no desire to see that remake.
Guest:Zero.
Guest:Because it can't possibly be any better than this.
Guest:Not that it...
Guest:it might be a more skilled movie.
Guest:It might be, but like the running man was satisfying in the eighties aesthetic that it was in.
Guest:And I can't imagine why would I want to see this again with some other new take?
Guest:Like maybe if it wasn't considered a remake, I'd be willing to give it a mental thought, but I'm not able to give it even the mental consideration of going to see it because to me, it just feels like immediately lesser, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:That got me thinking, like, what are good remakes?
Guest:Like, are there any?
Guest:Like, are there any that actually are, like, elevated past the original?
Guest:And there must be, right?
Guest:I hadn't thought about it.
Guest:But there must be.
Guest:What I was then, as I was like, all right, I'll think about this and I'll start writing some of these down.
Guest:But are there any where they came out, like, there was, like, a movie I...
Guest:really enjoyed and they made a remake of it.
Guest:And then I was like, Oh, that was better.
Guest:I wasn't sure that that existed, let alone that remakes are just in general, a good proposition.
Guest:So I pose this to you as well.
Guest:And I did not want to talk about it beforehand.
Guest:I wanted us to talk about it on the mic.
Guest:So after a couple of days of consideration, have you been able to come up with a,
Guest:Good remakes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I've come up with a few.
Marc:And one of them came really quickly to me because I saw the original.
Marc:And I remember staring at my TV screen because I saw it on TV and just being like, what did I just fucking watch?
Marc:And that was Dune.
Guest:David Lynch's Dune.
Guest:I mean, that's like now you're talking like a famously bad movie that was remade well.
Guest:Sure.
Marc:But I mean, it's still, you know, a movie that people love.
Guest:Totally valid.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:Especially, you know, what's interesting is that like...
Guest:The real success of the new Dune movies is that when they were coming out, people were like, how's this not going to suck just like every other attempt to make Dune, right?
Guest:So whatever your opinion is of the new Dune movies, I think like incontrovertibly, they did a better job.
Guest:making them than the David Lynch version and the TV versions that have been attempted and failed to actually like tie together this crazy story.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:And it is a crazy story, by the way.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like, what is that?
Marc:But yeah, so there's Dune and there's a movie that we actually talked about on this podcast and that's True Grit.
Guest:All right, so that is totally the one that came to my mind too.
Guest:The difference with that and the way I was kind of proposing this idea of a remake that's better than the original is I had no love for True Grit, the John Wayne version.
Guest:I know that it's one of those movies that you would see from time to time, like basically all John Wayne movies when I was a kid.
Guest:Yeah, it's like TCM.
Guest:Yeah, they'd be on and in some clipped version, I would have absorbed it.
Guest:You know what I mean?
Guest:But I never had any affinity for it.
Guest:But definitely, the Coen Brothers True Grit is fantastic and a worthy remake.
Marc:That's absolutely a worthy remake.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I remember as a kid, my dad would be watching, and my dad loved movies, just like I do.
Marc:And, like, he would be watching a bunch of old movies that I don't really care about.
Marc:I remember seeing the original Ocean's Eleven.
Marc:Like, he loved that.
Marc:He loved the rest.
Guest:That's exactly like True Grit.
Guest:Yep, totally.
Guest:Like, a thing where I gave it no consideration.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:It seemed boring.
Guest:It seemed like, you know, there were jokes that older people were laughing at that I was like, that didn't seem funny to me.
Guest:And you know what, though?
Guest:Like...
Guest:All right.
Guest:So the John Wayne True Grit is, you know, has a good reputation.
Guest:He won an Oscar for it.
Guest:And what was the other one you mentioned?
Guest:Ocean's Eleven.
Guest:No, the Dune.
Guest:Dune is known as like a tremendous flop.
Guest:So like those legacies have been like established.
Guest:I do remember, though, that when the Soderbergh Ocean's Eleven came out, there were people who were like, oh, they remade Ocean's Eleven?
Guest:That's a risk.
Guest:Isn't that like a beloved movie?
Guest:This was on the heels of when they remade Psycho, and it was terrible.
Guest:That was such a weird remake.
Right.
Guest:the original oceans 11 like is one of those things that is like beloved in fantasy memory only it's like a mandela effect of like people love the original oceans 11 like they did not like it's that it had no cachet really so that's the thing like there's movies that fall into that category you know it's one that i thought of
Guest:where I'm like, I remember that.
Guest:I remember thinking it was not funny, but I guess some people think it's a classic.
Guest:What's that?
Guest:To me, the remake is the real version, which is the Nutty Professor.
Guest:Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.
Guest:You know, the Nutty Professor was like Eddie's comeback.
Guest:He was in the shit for a while.
Guest:And that was like, oh, Eddie's back, man.
Marc:He's still hilarious.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And the Jerry Lewis one is like a nothing burger.
Guest:I don't know, man.
Guest:You got to be of a certain ilk to think any of that shit is funny.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:i i always thought i was wondered like are people gonna look back at something like people used to say that about jim carrey right that like eventually jim carrey will be regarded like jerry lewis and i don't think it i don't think he was like i think people still to this day love the mask or dumb and dumber right or whatever i i don't think people love you know the nutty professor the jerry lewis version or like yeah you know
Marc:these weird comedies that he made.
Marc:Another movie, I saw the original first and then the, the remake came out.
Marc:It's the girl with a dragon tattoo.
Guest:Oh, so I've never seen the original.
Guest:I've seen the Fincher one, but I've never, I never saw the Swedish ones.
Marc:Yeah, I love the books, and I knew it was a Swedish movie, rented it on Netflix when you can, like, rent those discs.
Marc:That was the best.
Marc:And, yeah, I thought the movie was great.
Marc:And then Fincher did his version, and I loved it.
Marc:I mean, it's Daniel Craig, Rooney Mara, Christopher Plummer, Led Zeppelin.
Guest:So I wonder, though, if that falls into a separate category, though, right?
Marc:Oh, because it's, like, different language?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, like movies that get remade because they want a foreign audience.
Guest:A country wants its audience to experience what the foreign audience experienced.
Marc:Yeah, like Hitchcock did that with a movie.
Marc:He remade his own movie.
Marc:What was that movie?
Marc:It was The Man Who Knew Too Much.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:And, I mean, The Departed is that, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So there's a lot of these movies that were a foreign language film.
Guest:It gets remade as an American film.
Guest:The American one might have a little more cultural relevance to us as Americans.
Guest:But I don't know.
Guest:That's a hard one for me to judge.
Guest:And I don't mean that from the Dragon Tattoo one.
Guest:I just mean in general, this idea of it's a foreign film.
Guest:that we didn't latch on to right like is is the is the japanese ring better than the american ring i don't know it's hard for me to say yeah i gotcha but that's speaking of that i i did come up with a good chunk of the list that i think works it's like the biggest thing that occurred to me is that better remakes are rare
Guest:yeah like if you think about the majority of remakes they're not better right right and oh and i can rattle off bad ones like total recall roadhouse like the bad news bears like i mean just you're just saying these ones and it makes me realize the default is that they're not good yeah yeah 100 vast majority are not as good the vast majority are not good let alone not as good right
Guest:But the ones where I think they can tip over to better, they all have a kind of genre specificity to them.
Guest:And it's horror or thriller movies.
Marc:I was bumping into that as well.
Marc:It's always horror movies that get remade.
Guest:But it's weird.
Guest:It's weird.
Guest:It's horror movies up to a certain time.
Guest:And then when you start remaking movies from that time, now, they're not as good.
Guest:Yeah, it's weird.
Guest:And it's like, is that because of us?
Guest:Is that like because of our mindset?
Guest:Like, well, we grew up with Nightmare on Elm Street, so the remake is not as good?
Guest:I don't think so because nobody likes that new one, right?
Guest:It's not like it has...
Guest:It has no cachet.
Guest:There's no beloved cult of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But there's still a massive appreciation for the original.
Guest:However, when you have movies, horror movies from like the 50s and the 60s, and then those got remade, it's the ones, the remakes from the 80s and sometimes like the 90s, that those are the beloved ones.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So you've got like The Fly.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:the thing yeah which by the way that should they should remake that one like i don't know they did remake it again they remade it yeah they remade it like in in 2014 that's exactly my point oh you don't even remember it it's so bad
Marc:Yeah, I don't.
Guest:It's with the actress who plays Ramona in Scott Pilgrim versus the world.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:You know, she's the lead.
Guest:She's like the Kurt Russell in it.
Guest:And I think at the end, you find out that it's a prequel.
Guest:Right.
Guest:That it's like they're the, in the Norwegian station that gets frozen over.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But it's, it's a sequel.
Guest:I mean, it's a remake.
Guest:It's exactly beat for beat the, the thing.
Guest:And it's no good.
Guest:Nobody cares about it.
Guest:Nobody liked it.
Guest:And, uh,
Guest:I was thinking of the Invasion of the Body Snatchers, the one with Donald Sutherland.
Guest:That's a better one than the original.
Guest:Even Little Shop of Horrors, which was remade into a musical, into something totally different than the original Corman movie.
Guest:I never saw the original.
Guest:Yeah, it's nothing.
Guest:It's a typical Roger Corman B movie.
Guest:Like, it's kind of amusing, but I wouldn't recommend you waste your time on it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So that's an interesting thing that it's like, it was all like in that direction.
Guest:Take these B movies from the 50s and 60s and make them into, give them to like these auteurs, right?
Guest:David Cronenberg, John Carpenter.
Marc:That's also Ocean's Eleven, right?
Marc:Sure, yeah, exactly.
Marc:So it's kind of like that same sort of thing, these things in the 50s.
Marc:So yeah.
Guest:You know what's even one just occurring to me right now that kind of counts for that, although the original is still very good.
Guest:I just think that the remake is a good version of a remake that stands on its own, even if you have a good movie where it came from, and that's Cape Fear.
Guest:Oh, Cape Fear.
Guest:I never saw the original Cape Fear.
Guest:It's totally worth seeing.
Guest:But the interesting thing about the...
Guest:scorsese version because it's a scorsese movies he makes the protagonist morally compromised right so you're you're not always sure that the bad guy's totally bad or unjustified i mean like no i shouldn't say that he's bad he's bad from the get-go right he's doing bad things but he has a you know you can see his point of view right right yes it's that it's that old uh mick foley thing is that like a bad guy needs to believe he's right exactly when he's cutting a promo yeah
Guest:and uh you know i i i really i appreciate the cape fear remake and it's it's worth it's a worthy remake which is one of the things like i guess that's true of like true grit right like you're like this is worthy as a remake what became very hard to find was one that was above worthy to the point where i'm like well but that's better right i i think i found one oh do tell
Guest:Probably not everybody agrees with this, but I will go to the mats for the remake of West Side Story.
Marc:Oh, that is a great one.
Marc:That is actually really great.
Marc:And it's a shame I didn't get to see that in the theater.
Marc:I think I saw that at home.
Guest:Great experience in the theater.
Guest:Fantastic.
Guest:And I think that it's one of those things where people are a little clouded by the idea that the original is a classic.
Guest:It's one of those ones where like the term classic just hangs over it and people just assume that's the case.
Guest:Well, it is.
Guest:And it's like, I think I, you know, this is coming from having watched the original recently before, you know, before having a short time before seeing the Spielberg remake is that, you know,
Guest:it's, it is great, but there's nothing about what's great about it that didn't already exist on Broadway, right?
Guest:The Jerome Robbins choreography, being exposed to Stephen Sondheim for the first time as a, you know, a major player, like all of that stuff makes it excellent.
Guest:Uh, the performances are very good, problematic with the, you know, non Latino people in brown face, right?
Guest:Like, okay.
Guest:Uh, the,
Guest:I almost don't even want to bring that up as a ding, though.
Guest:Like, I kind of ding it more as a movie in relation to the Spielberg one than even just with the problematic casting, which just happened all the time back then, right?
Guest:I thought that what the Spielberg one did that the original did not do was rooted it in...
Guest:your life, right?
Guest:Like to see it, like you, this was not just a Romeo and Juliet story of people from different backgrounds that were not yours.
Guest:This is like, Hey, are you a person that's like either lives in a city or,
Guest:or has been to a city and there's parts of the city that you're like, I don't go over there or I don't think about that.
Guest:Oh, but I'm going to go to the big concert hall in the middle of town, right?
Guest:Like this modern version was using that to be like, hey, you're missing out on the life that's going on outside of this, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, totally.
Marc:You're just on the seams, just out of view, out of your peripheral view, this stuff is happening.
Guest:Yeah, and the music and everything, it all still existed the way it's supposed to.
Guest:It didn't feel out of place.
Guest:And then you just got this fucking genius who makes movies and is able to do these incredible shots.
Guest:Well, that helps.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:Like it's a better made version of that earlier movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So that was like the one that I was able to come up with.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And like there are ones where they try that because I'm now trying to do the calculus.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:What was popular in the 50s and 60s that they remade and it just didn't hit that were kind of like musicals, horror, and, you know, like Westerns?
Marc:Because I think Westerns, like with True Grit, they try to make The Magnificent Seven.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Again.
Guest:Doesn't feel the same.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Mary Poppins.
Marc:Like they tried to do that one again.
Guest:Well, then you're getting into this other thing, right?
Guest:Which is like the reboots.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But they're still remakes, right?
Guest:They're like beat for beat remakes.
Guest:They're just trying to present them as something new.
Guest:And then there's also the live action remakes that Disney's been doing.
Guest:I don't even like, I just full on dismiss those out of hand.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Like there's the Lion King and like all those.
Marc:I'm like, nah, those don't exist to me.
Guest:They don't.
Guest:I don't.
Guest:I don't consider them valid as movies because all they are is a strategy.
Guest:They're a strategy.
Guest:They're an existing brand extension strategy because Disney has these properties that they know forever, we need these to continue to generate money for us.
Guest:That's the core of the Disney business is that you can keep making money off of When You Wish Upon a Star, right?
Guest:Right, right.
Guest:And...
Guest:What happened to them is the streaming has killed that for them.
Guest:It used to be they created scarcity.
Guest:They put the movie in the vault.
Guest:Oh, you can't get it anymore.
Guest:It's in the vault forever.
Guest:When we were kids... That was a thing.
Guest:Even before the vault, it was that the movie would come back out in theaters.
Guest:Oh, now for five weeks, go see Pinocchio.
Guest:But then...
Guest:the home video started to grow.
Guest:So now it became people will buy these at home, but you had to create scarcity.
Guest:So you take them away.
Guest:Now they're in the vault.
Guest:Well, well, not anymore.
Guest:In fact, like it's at a point where they exist.
Guest:They've almost been diminished, right?
Guest:They're in a menu alongside, you know, like the Disney channel sitcoms and like, you know, America's funniest cat videos.
Guest:And it's just, there's Snow White sitting amongst those things.
Guest:So what do you do?
Guest:It's just another tile.
Guest:Another tile.
Guest:And so now they, they, they are attempting to get the further bites of the apple by just making these things in these identical remakes, but with live action and they're not, you can't even call them live action.
Guest:People, it drives me crazy.
Guest:People calling that lion King thing, a live action remake.
Marc:It's just another cartoon.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's just better.
Marc:It's better graphics.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:You just made another cartoon, but it's photorealistic.
Guest:Or The Little Mermaid.
Guest:There's barely an inch of that movie that's real.
Guest:They've rotoscoped over the people.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I mean, there's a Snow White one, too, with Gal Gadot or whatever.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But you know what?
Guest:Hopefully because that made so little money, hopefully they're rethinking that strategy.
Marc:I hope so.
Marc:But I do think the remake of A Star is Born was better than the original.
Marc:Oh, the recent one.
Guest:Yeah, with Lady Gaga.
Guest:I mean, because that's been remade like five times.
Guest:Which is wild.
Guest:Like, why does that movie get like...
Guest:It's so easy.
Guest:It's the, it's the simple, it's, it's, I mean, it's like, why do certain Shakespeare things keep getting remade?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because there are these basic, easy stories that everyone would latch onto.
Guest:Rags to riches, but based on talent.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:Easy.
Guest:And it's a love story, but it's tragic.
Marc:Easy.
Marc:I feel like there should be more movies that should be remade.
Marc:Like, I know Back to the Future is not going to get remade, but, like, you know, I feel like Dave.
Marc:Remember Dave?
Marc:I feel like Dave would be a great remake.
Marc:Remake Dave, where the president dies, and then some guy who looks just like him is just taking his, oh, no, no, the president died.
Marc:He was in a coma, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Wouldn't love that.
Guest:Like, who wouldn't love that, especially right now?
Yeah.
Guest:I guess this brings up the whole question of remakes in the first place.
Guest:It's like, why not just put on Dave?
Guest:Right.
Guest:If that's your issue, they really do need to have an answer to the question of why.
Guest:Why are you remaking this?
Guest:And if you think about those horror movies...
Guest:They answered that, right?
Guest:That The Fly, it's like, this is preposterously silly.
Guest:This was made for, you know, this was a junkie B-reel that was thrown out to, you know, kid audiences in the 50s because that's how they kept them in the theater after the A-reel, right?
Guest:And...
Guest:You look at that story and then have a smart person make a script where they're like, I'm going to make this about decay, about the body decaying and the mental horror that we all go through with aging and things getting worse for us and unanswerable as we turn different phases in our lives.
Guest:It's like...
Guest:That's a reason.
Guest:You have a reason to make it and you can make it better than what it was originally.
Guest:If you can't answer that question, I don't think it should be a remake.
Guest:If what is the reason for them remaking The Running Man?
Guest:Besides money?
Guest:Yeah, right.
Guest:Besides knowing, oh, this has a high Q score.
Guest:People know the running man.
Guest:So we can make this and they'll go to it because the running man.
Marc:Right.
Marc:What is it?
Marc:What's the story?
Marc:And like, look, from the trailer, it seems like it's like, oh, look, it's the reality television of it all.
Marc:But you know what?
Guest:Already a huge strike against it is that they did not find the person who perfectly represents what that is and make them a character in the movie or an actor in the movie.
Guest:If that's true, then you know who should be the bad guy of this running man?
Guest:Jeff Probst.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:100%.
Guest:Richard Dawson makes the movie the original.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:And there's no real analog to that now, unless you went and got exactly like, so who do I see it as in this remake?
Guest:It's Coleman Domingo.
Guest:That's a real actor.
Guest:He's good.
Guest:It should be a person who is representing the actual thing.
Guest:You're satirizing.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Put it in Steve Harvey, you know, like we walked out of the movie.
Guest:We said, if you made this today, it should be Steve Harvey.
Guest:And then I'm thinking about this running running man.
Guest:We make, I'm like, why isn't it Steve Harvey?
Marc:Right.
Marc:right that is bad yeah yeah uh but like the sound of music though like i feel like that you could remake that and like you're still running from you know fascism that's that's a good one that's a smart person could actually do yeah steven spielberg could remake the sound of music and do to it what he did to west side story yeah
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Especially that guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like that guy's mystery.
Guest:Like I take down the Nazis.
Marc:Exactly.
Marc:Although, you know, he doesn't like doing much these days, but yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's the guy for sound of music remake.
Marc:Right.
Marc:You know, I also think like clueless, like this generation should have a clueless.
Guest:But the problem with that is they, they have it all the time and it's Emma.
Yeah.
Guest:Oh yeah.
Guest:You know, they just made an Emma remake.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I guess you don't need the clueless, like, you know, um, IP it's just Emma.
Marc:So yeah.
Guest:I think the thing that would be is do you make another Emma remake and you could call clueless and have it be clues remake or whatever, or you call it something else, but it's a remake of a kid today.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:right a 15 year old girl now in 2025 dealing with tiktok and dealing with everything that they have to deal with like that's the movie to make if you're going to remake clueless or make a new version of emma yeah i also think i think a remake of vertigo would hit really great with like catfishing and you know oh that's interesting you know like i think there's like god though like what plutonium you're playing with there
Guest:Like, let me just remake the movie that for 30 years people said was the greatest movie ever made.
Marc:By the way, it's fine.
Marc:It's not the greatest.
Guest:It's totally one of those like French New Wave sight and sound poll things where like that will for a while be the one everyone says, oh, that's the greatest.
Guest:And then, you know, really ultimately people are like, I don't even think it's the greatest Hitchcock.
Marc:Yes, 100%.
Marc:I'm just like, when's the shoe going to drop?
Marc:Because this is adequate.
Marc:It is a perfectly fine movie.
Marc:It ain't the fucking best movie in the world.
Guest:For people trying to plumb the psychological depths of what you can achieve with...
Guest:you know movie and persona screen persona and all that it's a very rich text right it's a it's a it's a movie you can study for a very long time is it you know as enjoyable as rear window or north by northwest it is not yeah even psycho i mean yeah right yeah so yeah
Marc:Oh, man, I could talk movies with you all all day, every day.
Guest:Well, we can do that.
Guest:And I think I think we should do that.
Guest:I think we should, you know, make sure I know that sometimes, you know, I'm a little hesitant for us to, like, turn this into a movie podcast.
Guest:But you know what?
Guest:We don't have a lot of time left.
Guest:And I think that, you know, coming up in the next few weeks, we should go a little harder on the movies.
Guest:I enjoy watching a movie and talking about it with you.
Guest:So I think, you know, maybe we find something that fits the certain amount of episodes left in the show that has like that we could give a little series to like one a week.
Guest:and approach it that way.
Guest:Because, yeah, I agree.
Guest:I think it's a fun time.
Guest:I think our listeners have enjoyed it.
Guest:And, of course, if you have anything else you want us to talk about, we love hearing from you.
Guest:Please send in your comments, your thoughts, your suggestions to just click on the link in the episode description and you can do that for us.
Guest:But we do have a few months left here and I think, you know, Chris and I are going to kind of go to our comfort places here.
Guest:Yes.
Guest:Which too...
Guest:Yeah, to go retreat to that darkened theater and sit in the air conditioning.
Guest:Oh, thank God for that.
Guest:And enjoy your AMC Stubb subscription.
Guest:Indeed.
Guest:Are you going anything this weekend?
Guest:Are you seeing any movies?
Marc:I try to see Eddington.
Marc:I'm not going to be able to see it.
Marc:I think I'm going to try to see it next Tuesday because that's when the theater near me does, you know, like they're showing it.
Marc:And it's like out of the theater after that.
Marc:It's like out of theater after the seven.
Marc:So I'm going to try to see it then.
Marc:Um, but yeah, and I, I have a busy weekend.
Marc:I don't think I'm going to be able to go to the movies.
Marc:How about you?
Guest:Uh, same, but, uh, I, I, I will be, uh, seeing, uh, at the local movie theater near me, uh, every year there is a, um, a thing to raise money for, uh, for, for, um, cat rescue.
Guest:And it's just a 90 minute reel of cat videos.
Guest:Like basically like America's funniest video style, uh,
Guest:We go to it every year, so that is what I'm going to be doing on Saturday.
Guest:But we will watch some other movies.
Guest:We will tip you off to what those are going to be in the next few weeks.
Guest:And until then, I'm Brendan, and that is Chris.
Guest:Peace!