BONUS The Friday Show - Replacement Level Players
Marc:I just love that Mark's thought of time is like Matthew McConaughey going to that planet in Interstellar.
Marc:One day there is 37 years.
Marc:Or just like an hour is like 16 years.
Marc:But he's the reverse.
Guest:Mark's the reverse.
Guest:Mark is the guy who is left on the ship.
Guest:He's an old man now.
Yeah.
Guest:Hey, Chris.
Guest:Producer Bernie McDonald.
Guest:Why are you using my Christian name?
Marc:You've been getting a lot of play.
Marc:You know, you're out there.
Marc:Mark's talking about you.
Marc:I feel like it is always an honor to talk to you, but it's also, it's nice.
Marc:It's like, look, I'm talking to the guy behind the guy.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:You know, that's funny.
Guest:I am blissfully unaware that there's any kind of, you know, further name recognition of me out there.
Guest:I mean, I understand that Mark mentions me from time to time.
Guest:And, you know, I hear it when it's on the podcast.
Guest:But like, I'm grateful for the fact that it has not like spilled over to me personally with some more kind of incoming recognition.
Guest:Like, that's plenty and that's enough.
Guest:And I like to remain kind of unaware of that stuff.
Marc:Well, I mean, you must be aware of, and I know Mark has talked about this on the show, like his other podcast, you know, what's the word?
Marc:Appearances have made the news because he's talked to you about it.
Marc:So it's kind of interesting for listeners to...
Marc:Here, Mark sort of unchained and as opposed to being on this show where he's a bit not more reserved, but, you know, he has a producer to sort of, you know, steer the boat.
Guest:Yeah, steer it.
Guest:Right.
Marc:That's what I would say.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:How do you feel seeing Mark off the leash, you know, so to speak?
Guest:Well, it's nothing that was unexpected.
Guest:I mean, frankly, he did a great job essentially orchestrating his media strategy in the wake of... Really in the wake of the podcast announcing that it was ending.
Guest:It was absolutely to center around the release of his special.
Guest:But ever since the end of...
Guest:or really was like the beginning of June when we made the announcement, you know, he started to get requests to do a lot of press.
Guest:Then he had a bunch of things all happening at once between stick, between the bad guys too, between the documentary, are we good?
Guest:And, and then of course his special.
Guest:And, you know, he was getting booked on all the typical things, Seth Meyers and, you know,
Guest:you know, Jimmy Fallon, the traditional outlets, even like something like Fresh Air, which he likes to do.
Guest:And it's always a good conversation, but it's like, it's like traditional.
Guest:He went to the publicist that books him on these things.
Guest:Like Mark's not one of these guys that has a publicist all the time, but there is a publicist he works with when he's ramping up for something, you know, it's kind of like, you know,
Guest:She comes on on a, you know, term basis.
Guest:It's not like his longtime publicist, like what Jeremy Allen White was talking about, right?
Guest:But so she had him booked on these things, which are the things that, like, he typically gets booked on.
Guest:And he was like, no, no, this time I want to go on podcasts.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he's like, specifically, I want to go on bro-y podcasts.
Guest:Oh, interesting.
Guest:I want to go on these podcasts where I can talk to these people where they are, right?
Guest:And granted, he got on ones that are friendly to him.
Guest:You know, Andrew Santino and the Tiger Belly guys.
Guest:And, you know, basically like people he can talk with socially, but they're in that space.
Guest:Right.
Guest:They, they, they function still as like people who could show up on kill Tony and not get booed.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You know, like, so he wanted, he deliberately orchestrated that.
Guest:And we've just, we've been talking about it, you know,
Guest:that like man it was one of those cases of like things kind of all culminating at once because he it's funny like some of the shows he did he did like midway through july or whatever they were posted midway through july like that howie mandel one right yeah but i think what wound up happening was all these things started getting clipped yes
Guest:And all played at the same time.
Guest:So it was like his special came out and there's like the clip of him doing Theo Vaughn.
Guest:But then the Howie thing is starting to get clipped.
Guest:So people are like stacking all these things mentally in their head, especially if they don't really have a kind of perception of Mark.
Guest:And they're like, oh, this fucking guy's like taking it to these dudes, you know?
Guest:Yeah, he's got the juice.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:It was just one of those things where it's like the way publicity works and the way attention works.
Guest:It's like he he got it.
Guest:He hit the sweet spot all at once.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So, you know, you ask me, what do I think of like him being out there doing this stuff to me?
Guest:I'm like, he did.
Guest:He had a successful publicity tour.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Like that's, that's what it was now to not be so crass about it.
Guest:I also am in full agreement with the things he was saying.
Guest:And I think they were important.
Guest:And frankly, that's why we had Tim Heidecker on like Tim Heidecker was not like a planned guest in like the last month of the show, but he's somebody who's like friendly with Mark and they've been getting to know each other better.
Guest:And they seem to have more in common than they used to have.
Guest:And yeah,
Guest:i know he thinks the same things and is one of the few people who openly talks about it right like he will do full-on like joe rogan parodies and just talk about what a goofy thinks joe is right yeah and so i was like let's just get tim on and you got you like you have like you said you have the juice on this let's squeeze a little more right and
Guest:And not, you know, not like now it's on our show.
Guest:It's not out there to get publicity.
Guest:It's like, let's keep this talk up.
Guest:And honestly, Mark believes this.
Guest:It's not, this is not me like rationalizing it.
Guest:Mark believes that if he and guys like Tim and anybody else who decides to start talking about this, talk about it more, it is a blow to those guys.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:actually works as a countervailing force culturally and like that's not him like overstating his case in the culture it's just like about critical mass things always move in cycles things always change and people like will get tired of certain things bullshit and all they need is a permission structure to be like yeah i was kind of felt like i wanted to drop joe rogan from my routine and i don't know why i didn't but now i do
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:You know, I always think of things ever since I worked at Air America in sort of like presidential cycles where I now know that, okay, when a president who, you know, whoever wins, that party usually loses in the midterm cycle.
Marc:Yeah, there's a hangover effect.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:So I feel like we're in that hangover effect where now the resistance to the winning party is going to be pushing back.
Marc:And now is the perfect time to push back against these fucks.
Guest:You know, and because they didn't have it the last time, if you think about it.
Guest:When it was like, first of all, you go back to 2016 into 2017 when Trump first took office, these guys weren't like on his team.
Guest:Right.
Guest:They weren't politically active.
Guest:They were just like, you know, the most in terms of politics that they would get into was like, you know, PC culture stuff.
Guest:Don't let me not say the things I want to say.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Trump was really no part of that.
Guest:And they stayed out of it.
Guest:And then, you know, the thing that...
Guest:Fuck them for their brains forever was COVID.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, so that all of a sudden they're like, we live in this world that's telling us we can't go these places.
Guest:We have to get these things.
Guest:Like all they're like libertarian brain mush.
Guest:That was just slurry around there.
Guest:It coalesced around this thing.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And so.
Guest:That's where they all locked in post 2020.
Guest:And it only finally manifested in them taking these like political sides in this past election.
Guest:And now this is the first time I, but I guarantee it's the first time in Joe Rogan's life.
Guest:And definitely in Theo Vaughn's life or Tony Hinchcliffe's life or any of these guys where they are waking up to what you're talking about.
Guest:This feeling that they're on the winning team and the winning team is getting unpopular.
Guest:They've never had that before because they don't live in that cycle that you're talking about.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:They're the headwinds are now turning.
Marc:And like I can see they're already trying to like, you know, jump, you know, jump ship to to some extent against Trump.
Marc:But it's curious.
Marc:And I'm man, you guys are going, you know, you're ending the show on such a moment where I it's almost uncharted territories now.
Marc:Like I feel like we're out to sea and like we I don't know where to turn.
Marc:You know, I can't turn against the the water, you know.
Marc:So, yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's a scary time.
Guest:You know, that's a big reason why I was like, yeah, let's talk with Tim.
Guest:And, you know, it's also talk with a guy who's funny about it.
Guest:Like, it's not like, let's go get a social scientist on to talk about this stuff, right?
Guest:And that is also why, and Mark has mentioned it, and Tim talked about it too, and I sent it to you.
Guest:This guy, this YouTuber doing these videos, Elephant Graveyard.
Guest:Amazing.
Guest:These are phenomenal.
Guest:And like, that's exactly the kind of thing that is needed right now.
Guest:It's just like clever people who are in the same world of these like...
Guest:God forgive me, content creators, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But doing something like this, right?
Guest:Where it's like, that thing is unimpeachable.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Because he's not like, it's not a conspiracy theory.
Guest:He's not trying to like say that like these guys are, you know, they're all bought and paid for by the government and here's why.
Guest:He's just showing you.
Guest:Right.
Guest:What they're doing and saying.
Guest:And like, he's like, yeah, like they sound exactly like these fucking guys, right?
Guest:And you're like, yeah, they do.
Guest:Like there's no...
Guest:There's no air between them and like the official government stand.
Guest:There's some flippant part where he's like, I got real depressed.
Guest:So I went to put on a comedy podcast, but now they're all hosting guys like, I don't know, the CIA and the FBI.
Yeah.
Marc:I love that he's like, this is a comedy podcast flashing.
Marc:It's the head of the FBI.
Marc:Holy shit.
Guest:Yes, if you haven't watched those, if you're listening to us, I can't recommend them more strongly.
Guest:As Mark has said, this is an anonymous guy, Canadian apparently, based on just how he identifies himself and where he lives.
Guest:But a really smart essayist.
Guest:That's what you should call him.
Guest:Like he's writing these essays and delivering them in a very amusing way.
Guest:But then also with great montage editing.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And in, in a visual sense, like it's as good as like, I don't know when I was younger and watch like a Michael Moore documentary.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:yeah that was like this like they feel this is these feel legitimate yeah and and so well produced like it's it's great and i i honestly think more people should be watching it and uh and they should be almost teaching it the best
Guest:thing you can do is find somebody in your life who is like a you know maybe not like a a true believer like a mental case but like somebody you know who's like no i listen to joe rogan they have good conversations on there like that's the kind of person who should be watching this you know like just to like i also loved what tim was saying was like it's a boring show yeah they they meander and
Guest:They never get around to anything.
Guest:It's the kind of conversation I was happy to be done with when I left college.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like it's like this kind of navel gazing sophistry that, you know, masquerades as like, you know, kind of like high minded mysticism and like seeing through the looking glass.
Guest:And it's just bullshit.
Guest:It's like it's stuff you should be passed.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And after a certain age, when you get like set aside childish things and get serious about life and how to function in it and how to talk about things.
Guest:And for some reason, these guys, because it's probably the first time they've done any thanking, they they're like, you know, oh, yeah, I'm really getting it.
Guest:So they're all fucking, you know, zonked out on pot, you know.
Guest:So like it's it's very satisfying to hear like a smart guy like Tim be like, it's a boring show.
Guest:It's a stupid, boring show.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, for sure.
Marc:For sure.
Marc:And Tim, by the way, he's a nicer person now.
Marc:I loved Mark saying that, like the pod call on the kettle black there.
Guest:Well, it's like, I think it's also, it's funny that I don't know that Tim has ever not been nice.
Guest:In fact, I've never heard anything negative about Tim.
Guest:But it's all rooted in this sense that Mark thought Tim and Eric were fucking with him.
Guest:Yes.
Marc:Well, I went back and listened to that Tim and Eric episode.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Which, by the way, he had like this guy, Ryan Singer, just like in the studio for the for the monologue.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I don't know what happened to Ryan.
Guest:Ryan and him used to be pretty good friends.
Marc:oh, I hope he's all right and doing well.
Guest:Yeah, it's not like one of those guys I think anything negative happened.
Guest:I think Ryan just kind of got out of the, I don't know if he's out of comedy, but he's definitely not around in like LA and in that scene.
Guest:So I'm not really sure what happened to him.
Marc:But yeah, Mark would take offense to the fact that people would tell Tim and Eric, hey, you should be on Marc Maron's show.
Marc:And they would respond, who?
Marc:Like, who's that guy?
Marc:I love that.
Marc:That hits Mark right in the underbelly.
Guest:yeah but so that's also the like i mean i don't know how much of tim's stuff you take in i don't like him too much he does this with he does that with like him and sam cedar are like oh like their public personas or that they hate each other oh really they don't they're good they know each other well but like it's
Guest:But like anytime one of them like comments to the other, like in public, like on social media or something, it's always like this fraud trying to convince you of something.
Guest:And then the other one will snipe back.
Guest:So like they have this public kind of wrestling thing going on between the two of them that they hate each other.
Marc:I kind of feel like that's how Mark has with like Michael Ian black, but I'm guessing.
Guest:But see, I don't think Mark ever has a fake thing with somebody.
Guest:Like it might be a thing that gets exaggerated, but it's rooted in that.
Guest:He didn't like Michael.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Now they get to know each other and get to like each other.
Guest:But like, I've replayed that clip recently about, you know, with Michael Ian black being like, I don't know that I'll feel comfortable until you're dead.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Like, yeah.
Guest:Like there's realness there.
Guest:Like Mark, it's part of the reason, it's one of the whole reasons we started doing this Friday show was I was trying to get Mark to understand there is something appealing about pro wrestling from the artifice point of view, right?
Guest:He could never get there with it because he's like, it's either real or fake and I'm not there on that middle ground part.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:He would be such a bad wrestler.
Marc:Like, if you think about it, he would just not pull any shots.
Guest:No, right.
Guest:Like, he would be a guy who, like, you know, if the crowd booed him, he'd be like, well, I guess I really should punch that guy in the throat.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:There's no, yeah, yeah.
Marc:There's no storyline.
Marc:It's like, no, no, this is all really happening to me.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh, man.
Marc:Can we talk about this Kickstarter that Mark mentioned and I followed and now it's live.
Marc:It is a real thing.
Marc:There is a graphic novel for your podcast.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Looks great, by the way.
Guest:If anybody doesn't know about this, and we've been trying to promote it and sent out a mailing list thing on it, but if you want to go to the website for it, which is z2comics.com slash WTF, and the two is the number two, z2comics.com.
Guest:dot com slash WTF.
Guest:You will see the, uh, the, the cover image of, uh, of box Brown's, uh, WTF is a podcast and, uh, it is, uh, I I've seen pages, uh, already completed.
Guest:Uh, I've been reading along with box as he goes.
Guest:And, you know, as he, as he creates this thing, I want to make it clear too.
Guest:It's like, Mark has his name on this.
Guest:Uh, I, I had my name on it and I insisted they take it off the cover.
Guest:Right.
Guest:because Brian Box Brown, the illustrator and writer of this thing, I get it that this is how he works.
Guest:He does, like, kind of journalistic interviews with his subjects, and it's like a collaborative process where...
Guest:The subjects tell him stories.
Guest:He goes and kind of does his further research and puts it together as a thing.
Guest:And like, if you look at some of his other books, that's kind of how they're bylined.
Guest:It's like him and the other person.
Guest:And I was like, look, this thing to us doesn't exist without him.
Guest:This is a Box Brown book.
Guest:And I like the way that the title is now.
Guest:It's like WTF is a podcast with Marc Maron.
Guest:That plays off the title of the show, WTF with Marc Maron.
Guest:But that written and illustrated by Brian Box Brown, that's how you should think of it.
Guest:This is a Box Brown book, especially if you like his previous work, his book about Andy Kaufman, which we have talked about here on this show.
Guest:His book about... He did one on Vladimir Putin.
Guest:He did one on... The one I love, and I've cited it here a lot, is his book about toy companies and how they essentially, you know, once Reagan-era deregulation hit televisions, basically the entire idea of children's programming became to sell toys.
Guest:And that book is called The He-Man Effect, a really great book.
Guest:And so all of this is to say...
Guest:we thought Brian was the absolute perfect guy to do this kind of thing.
Guest:He is the guy behind this thing.
Guest:Like we would not be doing it without him.
Guest:So, you know, go check out some of his other work and you can, I think, very quickly see that he's the right guy to do this and that you will, if you like this show and you want something like what he does on his other comics, on his other graphic novels, you're going to get that about the history of this show.
Marc:That's great.
Marc:And there are all these tiers.
Marc:There is a tier that's all gone now.
Marc:It is to star in a custom episode of WTF.
Marc:Oh, somebody bought that.
Marc:Yes.
Guest:Oh, all right.
Marc:Well, that was a one of one.
Marc:Yes, it was.
Marc:And it's gone now.
Marc:And I need to know, does that mean that you are going to come out of retirement and produce this episode?
Marc:Oh, wow.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:Now, I mean, it's already sold and it has this disclaimer on it.
Guest:But just to be clear to the people listening, the show is still ending and this is not going to be a public episode of the show.
Guest:But what we will do, what is promised in this tier is that Mark will interview the person who put this bid in.
Guest:It will be done over Zoom.
Guest:And he will do like a straight up like, so who are you?
Guest:What's your life?
Guest:What's this all about?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And they will do a talk and then I will edit that talk and he will then do a monologue and he'll talk about whatever he wants to talk about, talk about this person and we will put everything in it.
Guest:The theme music, he'll do guitar bumpers and everything.
Guest:So they will, this person who you say has bought this thing already will have their own WTF episode.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's kind of like the Wu-Tang album that there's only one.
Guest:Totally.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:That's the point.
Guest:That was exactly the point.
Guest:You know, they came to us and they said, like, this is what we do.
Guest:Like, you know, it's not it's clear in this Kickstarter page that this is not to fund a thing that doesn't exist yet.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:This thing exists like they the Z2 Comics is publishing it.
Guest:It's already done, right?
Guest:To get this thing from brain to page has already happened.
Guest:So this is really like one of those ways where, you know, basically they can make back what they're paying for the book, to make the book.
Guest:That if you sell the book, but with these added bonuses along with it,
Guest:You don't need to move as many units as you do if you're just moving, you know, putting your book in bookstores and on Amazon and people could go and buy it.
Guest:So this way, you have a thing that essentially the entire thing is a collector's thing, right?
Guest:Yeah, for sure.
Guest:Or people who like care about the show.
Guest:And I assume there might be some other people who like boxes work and they buy it or other people that just are kind of like, that looks interesting to me and I buy it.
Guest:But, you know, books are hard to move these days.
Guest:And then especially when you have no other ancillaries with it, you can't do an audio book on a graphic novel, right?
Guest:So like you got to figure out ways to move it.
Guest:So they came to us and they were like, we do these things with our books and
Guest:You know, we're not funding them.
Guest:This is not for like Kickstarter backing.
Guest:But we use Kickstarter because it's a way to get people more things with their pre-orders other than just...
Guest:you know, get the book, right?
Guest:Or a signed book, right?
Guest:So they were like, what do you guys have that people can't get anywhere else?
Guest:So we had a bunch of merch that's not available anymore.
Guest:If I could, you know, make a recommendation, if you're really into buying something in addition to the book,
Guest:these MTV WTF shirts that we had made are quite phenomenal.
Guest:And we never sold them because they're essentially illegal.
Guest:You know, it's like, we never got approval to have that MTV logo.
Guest:So Mark would only sell them at live shows, like, you know, give full on, you know, money exchange hand to hand.
Guest:But the idea is like, it's the old MTV logo, but with the M turned upside down.
Guest:So it's a W. And then the TV is TF.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Uh, so, uh, those you'll, you'll never see them again.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We do not.
Guest:There's no, there's no more print.
Guest:There's no more of those in print.
Guest:Um, so yeah, definitely, uh, go check out that thing.
Guest:If you want to look at any of the other things, I know that he, the one thing he wasn't even so sure he wanted to part with, and then he decided like, well, what the fuck am I going to do with this?
Guest:Otherwise is a hat he got from the set of Joker.
Guest:Oh, that's the Joker memory.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It says, uh, you know, the Murray Franklin show, you know, it's, it's not even, it doesn't have any licensing on it or anything.
Guest:It's like, it's a thing that was on the set of the Murray Franklin show, not a Joker party favor.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:That's cool.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:There's, there's some real good, uh, sort of, uh, or the tears I'd say, uh, there's a, there's this WTF is a blind box where you get all kinds of stuff, a live CD with, um,
Marc:a random gig poster.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He's got lots of posters that he'll sign.
Guest:And, and, and, you know, I think we're, I think we're aiming to do a few hundred of those.
Marc:There, there's a, there's a signed deluxe edition, which has the artwork of, I swear to God, man, it brings me back.
Marc:It's the old iPad, iPod that is, that has like the click wheel and like the big, like little box of,
Marc:When I say big, it takes up only half of the screen, but it's like, that's how I remember your podcast in the beginning.
Guest:Initially getting it, right?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And I'll tell you what, about that deluxe edition, that that you're seeing there is a slip cover.
Guest:So, like, it goes over the thing.
Guest:Oh, cool.
Guest:And you slide it out, and it's like, you know, it's like those shells that used to be on the Simpsons DVDs, you know?
Guest:Oh, that's cool.
Guest:But the window is open.
Guest:on the slip cover.
Guest:So you're seeing through the iPod, iPod into the garage or whatever it is.
Guest:Oh, that's so great, man.
Marc:Box does a great job.
Marc:Jeez.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, I don't mean to turn this into a commercial, but I'm like totally into it as well.
Guest:Like, you know,
Guest:people come to us and ask us to do all sorts of things and we say no to a lot of them to most of them and this one absolutely seemed to make sense especially because you know we already did we did a book for wtf and you know it was fine did not sell particularly well uh you know i mean like it sold to the way where we didn't feel like we lost money on it but it wasn't like a bestseller or anything and so we kind of were like
Guest:You know what we did?
Guest:Like, it's always the case.
Guest:It has been the case since we started doing this.
Guest:We know what we do.
Guest:We do it well.
Guest:Whenever anyone has asked us to do extra things, they've never really panned out.
Guest:They've never panned out to do a TV show based on the podcast.
Guest:I don't mean Marin.
Guest:I mean, you know, Vice came to us and tried to do a show.
Guest:You know, just all these kind of like ancillary routes that...
Guest:And we found it was best to stay in our lane.
Guest:And I think that was the same thing with a book.
Guest:I don't regret doing that book, but it was a lot of work and it didn't return much of anything that made everyone go, oh, let's do more of these.
Guest:Right.
Guest:It was like, no, the podcast is a podcast.
Guest:And I think, though, that when it came to this, it was like, well, this can make sense in a particular way.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And one of it is like having it be Box Brown.
Guest:One of it is that we're ending the show.
Guest:And so this can become like actual history.
Guest:Right.
Guest:With an ending.
Guest:So like all of it kind of made sense at the right time.
Guest:And I am glad we did it.
Guest:and and are doing it i mean it's a process that's going to go on i think that the target date for this to be available is is august of next year that's right yeah you know got some time to wait yeah and all all the uh the cat mug editions are all gone too so oh really yeah yeah all 20 of them they're all gone man i gotta tell brian jones he's gotta get to work yeah seriously i'm so glad to have one
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But that will be, that will be a special edition one.
Guest:Like that will be a cat mug that does not exist, right?
Guest:He's going to make those from scratch for this comic.
Marc:So that's very cool.
Marc:And yeah, for the 20 people that get that, that is a very special item for sure.
Marc:Dude, how are you feeling?
Marc:Like I, you know, the monologues are a lot of looking back.
Marc:Mark is like coming to accepting that the pod is over.
Marc:How are you feeling?
Marc:I know you're tired and excited, but are you nervous?
Marc:Are you hesitant?
Guest:What's going on in your brain?
Guest:I won't feel like I can actually look back on things or have hindsight or have a sense of
Guest:things passing and coming to an end until it's done.
Guest:You know, I'm still too kind of wound up in the week to week and making sure... And there's now a lot of things spinning that I have to keep in the air before this thing closes down.
Guest:And I want it to close down right, you know?
Guest:So it's like, I just feel like I can't do anything where I let my guard down.
Guest:I don't have like...
Guest:i think i think it was nice it was very nice that when we announced in june there was a lot of good response and things that helped me to reflect that i might not have done before things like that diana moskovitz piece that we had her come on and read like that was that was great and really helpful for me but now as we like you know
Guest:get down the runway here.
Guest:Like I'm just thinking about landing the plane.
Guest:Like I really am not able to focus on other things and there's a lot and there's, you know, I'll tell you people listening to full Marin here.
Guest:It's like,
Guest:I can tell you for sure that there will be a continuation of subscription for the archives of WTF.
Guest:But we are ending full Marin content.
Guest:So the tricky thing is now becomes doing this in a way that transitions for all of you listening to
Guest:And everyone is kind of on the same tier, on the same price point.
Guest:Right.
Guest:We don't want there to be these full Marin and just archives like everybody is going to just be getting the same thing because we're not creating new content.
Guest:But we want your subscriptions to remain active.
Guest:So it causes it's much more difficult than we thought.
Guest:And that's being worked out.
Guest:I actually hope by the time I'm on the show with you here next week that I'll have a good answer for you.
Guest:But all of that stuff, that's like a very small slice of how these things are complicated.
Guest:You know, scheduling guests has been very complicated or just I should say it's like a real jigsaw puzzle, making sure that we can get this stuff all in before the end of the show.
Guest:And then just trying to end it, make sure that it's the right content, it's the right, you know, we're producing this the right way, that we're going to deliver for the audience the right ending to this show.
Guest:That's very important to me.
Guest:So I don't feel...
Guest:in any way thinking about the past, I'm only really thinking about the present and the very near future.
Guest:And, you know, I have my kind of nerves around that and my, you know, thing that kind of keeps me on the ball and make sure I don't lose sight of what's to come.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I think last week you were, you were like, oh, you know, we're, we're, you know, I'm working on things.
Marc:And I kind of laughed.
Marc:I was like, yeah, of course.
Marc:Because to me, I'm like, yeah, like if there's one guy who's on top of it, it's, it's you, you know, like you are, you know, you're, it's definitely not something that you will forget about or, oh shoot, I forgot.
Marc:Like you, that's just not your style, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, no, we'll make sure it's all, you know, it's tied up in a bow for sure.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And this people's, the people page on WTF pod is something to behold, man.
Marc:Like, have you been there?
Guest:Well, yeah, it's funny.
Guest:I'm surprised.
Guest:I think, I guess Mark probably just had it bookmarked and brought it up.
Guest:It's something we actually removed from the site.
Guest:And it's interesting.
Guest:I might ask them to, you know, recode it because I do think it stops after a certain period.
Guest:I don't think it's the full list.
Guest:It's not the most, I think within the last two years, they stopped updating that.
Marc:It goes on forever.
Marc:It's like a Marvel movie's credits.
Guest:Well, that was the thing.
Guest:Initially, it seemed like it was helpful.
Guest:And then it was just too many names.
Guest:And it was like, oh, this is not... It's just much better to have a search tool.
Guest:Just go to search and search a name that you're wondering if they're on the show.
Guest:Then try to have to scroll down this list.
Guest:But now that we're ending...
Guest:I do think that it feels like an interesting thing to have this all in one spot.
Guest:So I might ask the people who have designed our website with Squarespace to kind of recode that.
Guest:Because every episode has a tag with names in it.
Guest:And it could just very easily populate that.
Guest:We just stopped at some point.
Marc:A.O.
Marc:Scott was on.
Marc:I kind of have to remember this episode.
Marc:I don't have to go back.
Guest:Yeah, that was during COVID.
Guest:So yeah, a lot of times people forget that entire stretch.
Marc:Man, this is so fun to see all the names.
Marc:It's just wild to see all of the names that people have been in the garage and I guess during COVID over Zoom.
Marc:But yeah, it's wild.
Marc:It is a scene.
Guest:Well, I, I, I was thinking that this week with Spike Lee in there that I was like, it's, it's like, I mean, you know, I grew up with Spike Lee.
Guest:Basically I was nine or 10 years old when I saw do the right thing.
Guest:And it was like important.
Guest:Like it was like one of those things I was very important to see.
Guest:You know, I, I lived in New York at that age.
Guest:So I was, I was that, that was real to me, you know, like at the end of that movie, when they're chanting Howard Beach and
Guest:at the cops i knew exactly what that meant i didn't i w i was i was not in the dark on that and um and so like it was it's one of those things every now and then i have these kind of out of body moments right where it's like we did this thing
Guest:like with no real thought behind it other than seemed like a good idea at the time and here's one of the great American directors and he's just he's on this show and he's talking about this stuff and I find it's just so funny how like
Guest:i couldn't have told mark that 16 years ago but just keep at this because you know eventually guys like spike lee will come over yeah what no yeah i you know some of the best stuff of that episode was like at the end where like they were talking about a face in the crowd and stuff like it just would just kept on going it was well did you hear the very last things like have me back yeah i was like oh poor guy don't have the heart to tell him
Guest:He's like, have me back on.
Guest:Have me back on.
Guest:Yeah, well, I'm glad you had a good time, buddy.
Guest:But it's running short.
Guest:Oh, man.
Guest:The way he talks, it's so funny.
Guest:It reminded me of, do you remember Cool Keith?
Guest:It sounds familiar.
Guest:Cool Keith is, he was in a rap group called the Ultramagnetic MCs.
Guest:And he went off on his own with this kind of fabled album from like 1997 called Dr. Octagon Ecologist.
Guest:And he was going under the character name of Dr. Octagon.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And and but at the same time, he plays like several characters in this album.
Guest:This album is mythic.
Guest:And oh, and I have friends of mine and I, we would sit around and listen to this thing for hours.
Guest:And it's just like it's it's.
Guest:It's like the work of a mad genius.
Guest:And part of it is he had this producer with him, Dan the Automator.
Guest:And that guy was way steeped in the kind of comedy at the time that I was too.
Guest:He loves Chris Elliott.
Guest:There's a whole song on the album that samples a thing from Cabin Boy.
Guest:It's very...
Guest:Weird amalgam of things, but at the core of it is like Cool Keith, who seems like this like almost like Sid Barrett style, you know, demented genius.
Guest:And his rhymes are crazy and juvenile and, you know, filled with like...
Guest:Wild lyricism and poetry, but then he's also talking about poo-poo.
Guest:It's just like this crazy album.
Guest:I love the Cool Keith album.
Guest:A lot of people, I think, the closest, if you've never heard of Cool Keith or you've never heard of this album, the closest connection you might have to it is the John Mulaney bit about the horse in the hospital.
Guest:You know, he does that bit about how Trump is like if a horse was loose in the hospital and people were just like, oh my God, there's a horse in the hospital.
Guest:He got that from that cool Keith album.
Guest:So I know John Mulaney was sitting around doing the exact same thing I was doing at roughly around the same age.
Guest:He's a little younger than me, but being like, oh my God, this guy, this is amazing.
Guest:This guy talking about a horse in the hospital.
Guest:But so fast forward to...
Guest:I think it was like around 2001, 2002, maybe a friend of mine, you know him as well.
Guest:My friend, Mike, uh, he, uh, was doing freelance writing and he, some, some zine, I forget what it's called.
Guest:I think it was, maybe it was called vinyl or something like that.
Guest:It was like the kind of thing you would buy, you get for free in one of the boxes on the street, like in Williamsburg, like next to like the village voice or something.
Guest:Yeah.
Yeah.
Guest:and they had him interview cool Keith.
Guest:And he'd tell, oh my God, you're going to interview cool Keith.
Guest:And like, you know, we couldn't imagine, what's this even going to be like?
Guest:Is this guy crazy?
Guest:Is it whatever?
Guest:He talks so much like Spike.
Guest:Like, it's like you think like,
Guest:Oh my God, this guy is like, what am I, what am I going to hear?
Guest:Is it going to be crazy?
Guest:Is it going to be wisdom?
Guest:Is it going to be whatever?
Guest:And then he, you know, Mike would be like, so you have this one guy you're playing Mr. Gerbic.
Guest:Like what's that supposed to be about?
Guest:What's his like, what was his motivating factor?
Guest:And Kookie's just like, likes money.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, that's it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Likes money.
Guest:Like you, you, in your head, you built up this idea that he had had all this mythology to it.
Guest:And it's like, he didn't give it that much thought.
Guest:He's just like, you know, slinging whatever rhymes he thought of about this guy, Mr. Gerbick.
Guest:But like, it was very like it to him, there wasn't much to expound upon.
Guest:And I felt that way about Spike, that Spike's just like, I just do this stuff.
Guest:Like, I get the thing.
Guest:It comes to me.
Guest:We make it.
Guest:it's about New York or it's about this.
Guest:Like he is not a guy who is like way up in his own head on things.
Guest:And I do think, and it's where you identify that if you gave him time to talk, if you just said to him, look, you're going to come on the show.
Guest:If we were still doing the show and he's like, have me back.
Guest:We're like, all right, great.
Guest:Come back.
Guest:And all we're going to do is talk about like five of your favorite movies.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:we'll watch them and you want, you know, we'll just talk about whatever you want to talk about with them.
Guest:I feel like he would love that.
Guest:Like he feels so much more like that.
Guest:His brain and his things, you know, that, that he thinks about percolate when he, it's removes himself from it.
Guest:When you're to ask him to talk about himself, he's just like,
Guest:Yeah, we just made that.
Guest:It was good.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:There's no pretense.
Marc:There's no pretension.
Marc:It's just like, yeah, no, we, you know, this is what I did and I did it.
Marc:And now I'm onto the other thing.
Marc:It's right.
Marc:He's so, he's so loose.
Marc:And I loved him giving shit to Mark and like, kind of like how Mark gives, you know, his friend shit.
Marc:Like it just, just like fun, you know, like a fun, like hang.
Marc:I love that.
Marc:They were talking about Dean Winters.
Marc:My fucking wife loves Dean Winters for some reason.
Marc:Every time those commercials.
Marc:No, every time he's on 30 Rock.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:She just loves this guy, which makes me feel like I'm probably a little bit like Dean Winters' character.
Marc:But she just lights up whenever he's on that show.
Guest:The greatest thing in that is the little flashback they showed to how Liz and Dennis met.
Guest:And it was that they were...
Guest:and it's like there's no setup to it there's no context but it's just like oh it reminds me of that time where we first met and it shows they like do have quick flash to they're in a movie theater and liz is sitting there with like a friend or something and she's like oh this movie the hours they should have called it the week and as she says the weeks you hear him like three rows back saying the same exact thing
Marc:100%.
Marc:Just the best.
Marc:Oh, man, that show is great.
Marc:And he's great.
Marc:But yeah, you guys had fucking Spike Lee on your show.
Marc:So great.
Marc:So great in the garage.
Marc:Like, I mean, that is that is a culmination of a lot of things, man.
Marc:It is.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It is special to say.
Guest:Well, I should also just talking about like Mark talking about movies.
Guest:He mentioned during the Ask Mark Anything episode, someone asked him about the Blank Check episode that he has coming up.
Guest:And I thought it was so funny.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:anybody listening to this who knows blank check, like I can imagine they went through one thing when they heard Mark say that.
Guest:And now I am here to make you go through another mindset.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:Cause Mark was like,
Guest:yeah i did a blank check i didn't know much about it but like you know i was i felt a little nervous that i didn't know enough movie stuff but it's a you know movie that's dear to my heart so i was really able to deliver whatever it was but he goes we talked for a long time right now now wait so if you listen to blank check yeah
Guest:three hours a normal episode is about three hours long right so i think people hear him say that saying we talked for a long time they're like oh my god yeah did they talk for a day to mark a long time is probably different than what your regular blank check listener thinks is a long time so let me set forth right now they did not talk for three hours
Guest:I don't know that I want to tip anything about their show.
Guest:It's their show.
Guest:It's not mine.
Guest:But I will dial back your expectations that it is not a three-hour show.
Guest:It might not be a two-hour show.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:Just let you know that.
Marc:But for Mark, it was long.
Marc:I just love that Mark's thought of time is like Matthew McConaughey going to that planet in Interstellar.
Marc:One day there is 37 years.
Marc:Or just like an hour is like 16 years.
Marc:But he's the reverse.
Guest:Mark's the reverse.
Guest:Mark is the guy who is left on the ship.
Yeah.
Marc:he's an old man now yeah playing checks like what we talked for 10 minutes he's like oh god it was forever my my cats have all passed by now oh god that's great
Marc:Oh, well, I can't wait for that episode.
Marc:We still don't know what episode.
Marc:I have an inkling as to what movie they're talking about.
Guest:No, he mentioned.
Guest:He said he gave it up.
Guest:He said it was Serious Man.
Guest:Okay, cool, cool.
Guest:Well, and that brings me to something that I wanted to do just as a kind of favor for the audience out there.
Guest:I have seen multiple times now people saying...
Guest:What can you recommend for us to replace this show with?
Guest:Meaning WTF.
Guest:I don't mean, I'm not speaking so boldly as to mean the Friday show.
Guest:I mean, WTF in general.
Guest:People are saying, what can we do to replace this?
Guest:And I got to thinking about this, about using my free time and the things that I like to do.
Guest:And
Guest:I think the number one thing I came across and you tell me you, you're probably way different with this, but that I have really lost touch with podcasts and like blank check is one of the ones I do listen to sometimes, but still not in, not like every single episode.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I kind of feel like I've had to put some distance between myself and podcasts because I've been so in it for so long.
Guest:So I don't know.
Guest:Do you feel like you have shows that you get a lot out of or shows that you're going to go kind of...
Guest:invest in more engage with more you know to kind of have a different relationship in your life other than wtf yeah i mean first of all i'm gonna have to right like it's maybe if you do that i mean that's kind of part of part of what i wanted to talk about
Marc:Yeah, it's weird.
Marc:And it feels a bit like, you know, callous to be like, oh, I'm going to replace, you know, Mark with someone new.
Marc:And like, oh, like Amy Poehler or something.
Marc:It's like, it just doesn't feel right.
Guest:Well, just to me, that I just couldn't do.
Guest:Like, there's no, like, whatever they're doing is like different.
Guest:Like, so I don't think I'm, I don't think, I don't think anybody out there listening to this is going to find a replacement for WTF, which is the whole point, right?
Guest:Like,
Guest:We we did this because it was to us something we could do uniquely.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And there might be other interview shows or chat shows or, you know, confessional type shows.
Guest:They're going to be their own thing.
Guest:They're not going to be this.
Guest:So you're going to develop whatever relationship you develop with them.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:I'm going to test out, and it's a show that you've recommended to me in the past, but I've never gone into the best show because I feel like I just didn't have the space in my life.
Marc:But now that I have, I don't have Mark in my ear and just... That's the thing, man.
Marc:It's like...
Marc:It's not just Mark.
Marc:It's like the whole world of it.
Guest:Well, here's what I would recommend then with the best show.
Guest:Go to the episode from, I think it was two weeks ago with Mark.
Guest:So Mark was on.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:And he literally, like this is a thing about the best show because it's like three hours long every episode.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Go start with the Mark interview, right?
Guest:And just listen to it and get a sense of like the rhythm of the show and how Tom is.
Guest:And then I think they bring in some other guest who's a real guy, you know, and that's the thing about the best shows.
Guest:It's often fake guys as well.
Guest:But once you start to get the kind of rhythm and feel of the show...
Guest:Then that's when it becomes the thing where you press play on it from the very start and they might be talking about something that only the people who listen to the show would know about.
Marc:That's where I get kind of like, I don't know.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:And so once you're in it with some context...
Guest:it might make for an easier transition to you.
Guest:I would say that that's the best bet with Sharpling and the best show.
Guest:Go find Mark's episode or any other person that you see.
Guest:I think this past week was Griffin from Blank Check.
Guest:Oh, no kidding.
Guest:So like go listen to him talk with a person and then you can get the thing where you started from the start.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Well, all right.
Marc:That sounds good.
Marc:To be honest with you, the first thing that came to my mind when you – first of all, I didn't even think about it until you, like, texted it to me, and it just got real sad.
Marc:But I think what I'm going to do to not replace Mark, but –
Marc:The thing that I want to do is for everyone that's no longer going to have this podcast is to use the tools that they've learned from Mark having conversations with people.
Marc:and apply those tools to their own lives.
Marc:Like, I honestly, it's the first thing that came up to me.
Marc:Like, seek out, like, conversation.
Marc:Like, explore new terrain with people you love, people you've never met.
Marc:Maybe meet a guy you lost touch with, a friend from back in the day, and sit down, talk to them over Zoom, in person, whatever.
Marc:and sit and listen, ask questions, and just talk.
Marc:And like, look, I did this recently.
Marc:I was at Awake in a service for my friend, and I realized that I am able to talk to anyone because I've been listening to Mark talk to everyone.
Marc:And I've
Marc:was able to ask engaging questions, not the same bullshit question.
Marc:I was asking pointed questions.
Marc:And it's because I've been listening to Mark for 16 years that I have these tools in my tool belt.
Marc:So I honestly think that's the best thing that people can do with their time.
Guest:I think that's fantastic advice.
Guest:I mean, I think it's, it's very similar to something I wrote down here as like, what's a thing that I want to be doing with more free time.
Guest:And it's really dialing back on these parasocial relationships, right?
Guest:Like, I don't mean like you should regret the time you spent listening to the show or any show like it.
Guest:Those things all have their place, but yeah,
Guest:You need to be conscious about getting back into your life, what you're talking about, the engagement with other people.
Guest:And yeah, just like, so you want to replace WTF with something?
Guest:Replace it with you doing it.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:You do it in your own life.
Guest:It's also with podcasts.
Guest:I just read a thing in Rolling Stone this past week about how there's no more money for narrative podcasts.
Guest:They're all being cut anywhere they do them.
Guest:It's just dwindling art form, right?
Guest:And I'm like, well, okay, then change the perception of what you go to for that kind of thing.
Guest:You don't have to just shift it over to YouTube and watch, you know, three hour long chat sessions or whatever.
Guest:Go find other things, audio books or I like I told you, I've told the recommended on this show before.
Guest:There's a podcast called 20,000 Hertz.
Guest:That's all about audio.
Guest:It'll never be a video show because it's about audio production.
Guest:And they they do.
Guest:They tell compelling stories.
Guest:It's very good.
Guest:We listen to it as a family.
Guest:I would recommend finding things like that.
Guest:Find things that don't rely on you having this relationship as a listener with the host or the guests that you then feel like I'm missing something when I don't have them.
Guest:Like, let's use this time to like break yourself of the Jones.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I think people are going to see, because look, I'm not the smartest person in the world, okay?
Marc:Brendan does all the hard work here.
Marc:And even I can...
Marc:see the improvement that in just conversation, in life, in talking to my partner, in just talking to people, I'm able to engage in a way that I know wasn't there years ago.
Marc:And it, you know, look, maybe I'm giving Mark a little bit of too much credit, but I do recognize that I am conversing in an intelligent way that I wasn't doing years ago.
Marc:And I think...
Marc:you know, Mark is the constant in there.
Marc:So, and I bet you all, if you apply that, you will, A, feel good about talking to people, and B, you're gonna feel connected to Mark again, you know?
Marc:You're going to feel that camaraderie, you know?
Marc:And I feel like that's what, you know, people are going to miss, is that I miss Mark, but, you know, he's gonna be there because he's, you know, if you've been listening, you know,
Marc:you know, you can pick up on the tools that he has.
Guest:Even for somebody you've known for a very long time, a very simple, Oh, Hey, remind me, where did you grow up?
Guest:It's all you need.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And like, Oh, like, like, you know, tell me, tell me about your, what did your brother do?
Marc:Like, yeah, yeah.
Marc:That sort of stuff.
Marc:It leads so many places.
Guest:And for Mark, it was not just a trick.
Guest:Like what he's always said was the one thing he was always looking for when these conversations start and he's trying to like find a shape of a person is he's like, I always want to picture what they were like as a little kid.
Guest:So that's where the question of, you know, what do your parents do?
Guest:Where did you live?
Guest:How many brothers or sisters did you have?
Guest:It's not because that's a checklist of rote things he wants to answer, like a, you know, the survey at the back of the Vanity Fair.
Guest:He just wants...
Guest:to get to who that kid was.
Guest:And so these are ways to help shape that picture.
Guest:And it's like, yeah, you can do the same thing.
Guest:You know, even for people, like I said, that you've known for a long time, there's stuff you don't know and there's stuff they want to talk about.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Even with like my wife, like, you know, we'll talk about stuff that, you know, we don't, you know, we obviously know each other pretty well, but we're still digging and like, you know, talking and processing stuff.
Marc:It's exciting, you know, it's a way to be connected, you know, and especially to people in your life, which is really important, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Well, I, I think this is all very solid, uh, advice and, um, I think easily applied.
Guest:I mean, I know maybe people feel like they have like social anxiety or whatever, just like, like Chris is saying, do with the person closest to you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Was there anything else, Chris, that you thought like is a way for people to get their heads around this about like, you know, replacing or adding back into their lives?
Marc:I always advocate for going to see art.
Marc:You know, like Mark has talked about museums.
Marc:You know, he loves the Whitney and like, you know, loves all these, you know, abstract art.
Marc:Go to art in any way possible.
Marc:Go to a museum.
Marc:Go to a building and look at architecture.
Marc:Go to the movies.
Marc:I personally love the movies.
Marc:I am a person that goes by myself.
Marc:I'm that guy watching a movie by myself.
Marc:But I love the whole process of it.
Marc:And I think it's romantic.
Marc:I think it's just deeply embedded in my life.
Marc:And I would recommend people going out and going to the movies and enjoying themselves.
Marc:And I know not everyone's going to have the time to do that every week.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But, you know, I think, you know, go to the Criterion channel.
Marc:Try, go to Tubi.
Marc:There's movies there that you've never seen, that you've heard of, never seen.
Marc:And I really recommend just putting one on.
Marc:I guarantee you'll find something to think about, talk about later.
Marc:Like, it is just vital.
Guest:Well, that is, of course, great advice that I share.
Guest:I have the same predilection toward sitting in a movie theater with other people and just having that experience.
Guest:So yes, I am in full agreement with you.
Guest:I know that you just did this a couple of times this past week.
Guest:And in fact, you did it in such a way that I want to talk about them at length.
Guest:So next week, I'd like you to keep in mind your fresh feelings about going to see a 70 millimeter print of Lawrence of Arabia.
Marc:Excellent.
Guest:Is that correct?
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:All right.
Guest:So we're going to talk about that.
Guest:But then also, you did an amazing thing.
Guest:You got to see with someone for the very first time, Jaws.
Marc:Yes.
Marc:We're going to need a bigger boat, my friend.
Guest:We do.
Guest:We need a whole extra show.
Guest:So we save that till next week because you have watched Jaws with someone who had never seen it before, your wife, Erin.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:And I, this weekend, am about to do the same.
Guest:My son has been begging me to see Jaws.
Guest:I have put it off for a very long time.
Guest:he insists that he can handle it.
Marc:Because I have brought this up to Brendan before and he had said, no, because he will never go in the water ever again.
Guest:So this is... We vacation a lot, often, in the exact spot where Jaws was shot.
Guest:So I was always conscious about that.
Guest:But he insists that... And he's 14 years old.
Guest:You gotta let the eagles fly.
Guest:So...
Guest:We will watch Jaws this weekend and I will report back and perhaps we will get some of Owen's thoughts on it as well.
Guest:But I do want to hear from you, Chris, about your time watching it with Aaron.
Guest:And I want to just talk about Jaws and any other things that we've seen.
Guest:And so I suggest if you haven't seen Jaws, it is the 50th anniversary of it and go either watch it for the first time or refresh your memory because we'll be talking about it here next week as these episodes of the Friday show wind down.
Guest:We will still be here.
Guest:And like I said, hopefully by next week, I will have some full details for you about what to expect with your WTF Plus subscription and how that will continue on.
Guest:So until then, I am Brendan and that is Chris.
Guest:Peace.