Episode 729 - Roseanne Barr
Marc:Lock the gates!
Marc:Alright, let's do this.
Marc:How are you, what the fuckers?
Marc:What the fuck buddies?
Marc:What the fuckeristas?
Marc:What the fucktuckians?
Marc:Had a couple of what the fucktuckians at my shows in Bloomington over the weekend, as you can probably tell by the slight difference in sound quality.
Marc:I am broadcasting from a hotel room.
Marc:I am still in Bloomington, Indiana.
Marc:I've been here many times before.
Marc:I enjoy it.
Marc:I walk the blocks.
Marc:I eat the food.
Marc:I take it in.
Marc:I operate at the pace of Indiana.
Marc:And also the shows were fucking great.
Marc:The comedy attic here in Bloomington is a great comedy room.
Marc:And I know that's been said before, but it's, it's interesting to, to work, to find a room.
Marc:This place seats about 160.
Marc:It's tight.
Marc:Uh,
Marc:And everybody's right on top of each other in a way.
Marc:Snug, right there in front of you as a comic.
Marc:It's a great one-mind room.
Marc:I'm working out the new hour and a half, and it was beautiful.
Marc:It was beautiful.
Marc:All the shows were just exciting.
Marc:All the shows were a little bit different.
Marc:The audiences were great.
Marc:It's just a real treat to do real club work in a real comedy club.
Marc:People traveled from Ohio, from Chicago, from Kentucky, from...
Marc:Where did I meet people from?
Marc:From Dayton, from Louisville, from Cincinnati, from Chicago, and Indianapolis, of course.
Marc:Dakota, South Dakota, I think people came in from.
Marc:And it's very humbling for me, and I appreciate you traveling to see me if I might not be coming to your immediate market or nearby.
Marc:But I'll tell you, man, it's worth the trip.
Marc:It's still, I think...
Marc:As a person who knows me pretty well, I think it's a it's a good a good investment of time to come see me in a little place because I have a better time.
Marc:I had complete freedom of mind over the weekend and I was definitely very present.
Marc:But anyways, I had some good food here in Bloomington.
Marc:I ate some biscuits and gravy, and I had some good coffee, and I worked with Mo Mitchell, who's a young comedian, and she was great.
Marc:It was nice.
Marc:Roseanne Barr is on the show today.
Marc:I'd like to preface that by saying that this was recorded before either convention.
Marc:She probably would have been a little more worked up had it been done, say, today.
Marc:But I really didn't want to focus on that with Roseanne.
Marc:Roseanne's one of the great comics.
Marc:And she's one of the great comic performers.
Marc:And she's had an amazing career as a comedian.
Marc:She's important.
Marc:She's an important comic.
Marc:And I wanted to talk about that.
Marc:So that was, you know, my agenda.
Marc:That was my agenda.
Marc:So you're dying to hear some hotel room observations.
Marc:Observation number one, the chair at a hotel room desk has been through a lot.
Marc:When you see a hotel room chair, just know that some stuff has gone down.
Marc:And that chair has cradled a lot of dubious behavior, questionable moral activity that happens between a man and his computer and his dick.
Marc:That is the triad.
Marc:That is the triangle of sadness right there.
Marc:The mind, the computer, the dick.
Marc:So just know that when you sit down in a hotel room desk chair that you are in the masturbatory throne of God knows how many people.
Marc:Unfortunately, I had that realization while sitting on it naked.
Marc:I don't know what I was thinking.
Marc:I wasn't doing that, but I was just checking my email.
Marc:But I was naked and there was no towel between my ass and the seat.
Marc:And then I thought, you know, they probably don't clean these seats that well.
Marc:What the fuck am I doing?
Marc:What am I doing?
Marc:I mean, I don't know if anything's going to crawl up my ass, but still, it was just an uncomfortable moment.
Marc:It was an awkward moment because I respected the journey of the chair, and now I was part of it, and I didn't want to be part of it.
Marc:So I'm okay.
Marc:I showered.
Marc:The other observation I made that I thought was sort of interesting and positive in a way, and it gave me a new respect for some working people, is that there's a maid staff at every hotel.
Marc:There's a cleaning staff.
Marc:I see the women in the hallway.
Marc:Well, this to me was sort of beautiful and required some wisdom and some sensitivity and some experience of a somewhat dark sort.
Marc:Well, I eat my nicotine lozenges.
Marc:And these nicotine lozenges, they break apart sometimes.
Marc:And if I break one, it'll crumble a little bit.
Marc:And I had some nicotine lozenges crumble on the bedside table.
Marc:be be right by where I slept and and I looked at I woke up in the morning and I looked at the nicotine lozich crumble the powder the white powder the little chunks and I'm like holy shit that looks like blow I've had my time with blow I know what cocaine looks like and I'm like that does look like blow kind of funny
Marc:Kind of nostalgic.
Marc:I didn't get Jonesy, but I was like, I remember.
Marc:So I went about my day, and I came back, and the room had been cleaned, but the little pile of white powder and little crumbles of rocks of white remained.
Marc:Now, I'm going to give the maid the benefit of the doubt and say that she made a choice there.
Marc:That wasn't an oversight.
Marc:She said, oh, I don't want to wipe that up.
Marc:That guy's probably looking forward to that.
Marc:He's probably looking forward to that bump when he gets back and he gets ready to take the throne.
Marc:So I appreciate your sensitivity, Hotel Cleaning Staff of America, that even though it was not what you thought it was, it's very polite of you to leave a little freeze on the bedroom table or on the desk.
Marc:Don't wipe away that little bump that that guy or that gal is looking forward to later in the afternoon or for breakfast the next day.
Marc:Thank you for doing that.
Marc:And that's coming from a guy that doesn't do that shit anymore.
Marc:I mentioned Roseanne Barr is on the show today.
Marc:She is.
Marc:And it was a it was a pleasure spending time with her.
Marc:She's very intense.
Marc:She can go way out there if she wants.
Marc:But I felt I felt nice.
Marc:Felt nice to interact with her, to be engaged with the great Roseanne Barr.
Marc:Great comedian.
Marc:Now, look, you know, I've been it's been hard for me to stay out of it.
Marc:It's been hard for me to stay out of the cultural conversation, the political conversation.
Marc:And I'm not great at it because I'm reactive and I get angry.
Marc:And like anybody else, I transfer my own personal problems onto the struggle at hand.
Marc:Some ideological problems, but some just personal righteous anger.
Marc:And I get worked up.
Marc:I get worked up.
Marc:You know, what can I tell you?
Marc:It's just the way I am.
Marc:And I connect with the insanity.
Marc:I had a weird moment just moments ago where I was just walking down the street to this place called Hopscotch Coffee, which is a little ways away.
Marc:Nice walk.
Marc:Brought my running shoes.
Marc:They didn't do any running, but we did some walking.
Marc:It's very hot.
Marc:It's a little humid.
Marc:It's a little pressure cookery out here in the great America.
Marc:And I walked by a woman over by the Kroger market, must have been in her 40s or 50s, just screaming into a phone, just screaming into the phone.
Marc:And it was, you know, you feel the intensity, man.
Marc:She was just yelling, you know, I don't want any of it.
Marc:I don't want you shooting me up with anything.
Marc:It was an odd fragment to pick up.
Marc:It was a heartbreaking fragment, but it was intense.
Marc:It was loud.
Marc:It was too loud, and whatever it was revealing was dark.
Marc:And I went to get my coffee, and I got my cup of coffee, and I came out, and I heard that woman screaming.
Marc:I heard her voice still screaming, and then I realized that she was holding a phone.
Marc:I don't know what kind of phone or how old that phone was, but she wasn't on the phone.
Marc:She was just screaming, and the phone was a prop for her anger, for whatever...
Marc:intensity that was inside of her for whatever broke this person that the phone was an outlet that enabled her to to yell freely in public with the not very effective illusion that she was on a phone and when when I got out and I saw her across the way and I was watching her I couldn't keep my eyes off her she was yelling what you have can't be medicated you need to go to prison dude you push me out of my house you shoot people up and then cut their hair
Marc:dude and she kept walking and it it took everything i had i my desire was to continue to follow her and listen i wanted to hear more of the crazy dark stuff from the from the lady who had problems but was venting was venting freely in in in her fantasy world in her mental illness and
Marc:I don't know why I'm telling you this, but I gravitate towards that type of intensity, towards that type of insanity.
Marc:And then I started thinking about where we're at politically because there's some times, there's some moments where I don't understand, I don't understand.
Marc:I understand how people feel that there's a lesser of two evils, that neither choice is good or whatever, but sometimes I don't understand what compels people to gravitate
Marc:towards somebody you know I can mention names I can mention Donald Trump's name I don't understand the intelligence of it the rationale I understand if you don't like the other candidate no candidates are perfect I get all that I understand if you don't like the system I understand that maybe you think America has caused your problems that maybe America is to blame
Marc:I got a couple of questions about that.
Marc:I mean, have you really gone deep?
Marc:How much of your problems can you really blame on America?
Marc:What's going on at home?
Marc:What's going on inside?
Marc:What's going on with your luck or your personal problems?
Marc:I'm not rationalizing anything and I'm not trivializing anyone's issues, but sometimes I don't understand.
Marc:I have done some reading.
Marc:I know that there's an epidemic of addiction, painkiller addiction, oxycodone addiction in this country that it's striking primarily white lower class people who are angry and desperate and have given up hope that the country is shifting and leaving them behind.
Marc:I understand and I can be empathetic with that anger and it's a tragedy that the mortality rate
Marc:Among that group of people, white male specifically, in terms of ODing, liver disease, and drug-related tragedy, is very high.
Marc:From what I understand, it's almost at wartime levels, the mortality rate, because of painkiller addiction.
Marc:It's a tragedy that that's happening.
Marc:It's a tragedy that that spirit has been so crushed in that there is so much desperation and so much giving up.
Marc:And I empathize with that.
Marc:I understand the nature of addiction and I understand the current of that horrible anger and sadness.
Marc:And desperation and just lack of hope.
Marc:And I understand why somebody would shoot up.
Marc:I understand why somebody would relieve themselves on an involuntary, almost choiceless basis to relieve that.
Marc:To just feel the release of floating into the freedom of a medication, of a drug that alleviates that desperation, that anger, that hopelessness, and you just float.
Marc:But what is the opposite of that?
Marc:How does that get relieved?
Marc:How do you relieve that in the world of being present?
Marc:How do you relieve that desperation, that anger, that hopelessness?
Marc:And what is that relief?
Marc:Is that relief rational or is it not unlike drug addiction?
Marc:Is it a rational, thoughtful, reflective relief?
Marc:Henry Rollins, what's once called track marks, hateful little holes in one of his books of poetry, hateful little holes.
Marc:And I remembered that because that's what it is.
Marc:When you do that, when you jack yourself, when you stick a needle in your arm or you take a pill, there is that there's two things happening.
Marc:It's like, I'm going to feel better.
Marc:And I'm, I fucking hate me.
Marc:I hate me.
Marc:I hate me.
Marc:And then you take it and you float and,
Marc:So when I think about the appeal of Donald Trump, I think about the opposite of that.
Marc:How do you relieve those feelings in the real world among people?
Marc:How do you relieve it?
Marc:Because I can't understand intellectually what the decision is.
Marc:To vote for a man like that.
Marc:Look, if you don't want to vote, fine.
Marc:I suggest you vote.
Marc:If you don't like Hillary, fine.
Marc:Whatever you got to do, I'm just dealing with this one thing.
Marc:What is it?
Marc:Why vote for Trump?
Marc:What is the defense?
Marc:The defense, here's why people vote for Trump.
Marc:Fuck it.
Marc:Fuck it all.
Marc:That's got to be the rationale.
Marc:It's a fuck it all vote.
Marc:And when you say, why are you voting for Trump?
Marc:The answer is, fuck you.
Marc:So it's, fuck it all, fuck you.
Marc:That should be the campaign slogan in a way because it is the counterpart.
Marc:It is the perfect counterpart to an opioid high.
Marc:What's compelling about engaging with his vision is it's a rush.
Marc:It's a rush of shameless hate.
Marc:It's a hit of arrogant ignorance.
Marc:It's the satisfaction in moments of empty victory.
Marc:It is just the nihilistic intensity of potential chaotic upheaval and destruction.
Marc:I mean, there's no other way to look at it.
Marc:There's no foresight.
Marc:There's no vision of the future.
Marc:There isn't.
Marc:It's the possible annihilation of all progress with no real plan.
Marc:It's the elation from the fantasy of complete moral bankruptcy.
Marc:It's the possibility, and I believe this, and I know some of you people who are my fans and who listen to this show are conservatives, you're Republicans, and you know in your heart this isn't the guy.
Marc:You know it.
Marc:You may not like her, and that might be driving you, and I get that.
Marc:But what it is, what is really at the heart of people that are passionate about Trump winning is it is the possibility of evil winning.
Marc:And I'm not talking about winning an election, but I'm talking about the eternal struggle.
Marc:And maybe I'm being a little dramatic, but I don't think Trump is Hitler at all.
Marc:I think he's fucking Satan.
Marc:And I know you rational conservatives and you rational Republicans, I know you know.
Marc:And I know that you are banking on the idea that he will be schooled, he will be harnessed, he will be held hostage in the Oval Office, and it will be okay.
Marc:I know it.
Marc:And I know a lot of people, a lot of intelligent people, men specifically.
Marc:I know, I know, I know.
Marc:It's hard, man.
Marc:You just wanna see that woman lose.
Marc:It's hard for a lot of men who are secretly infantile, who feel gypped, who have issues with their mommies or their daddies.
Marc:It's, you know, when you watch a woman with authority, speak with authority, deliver a strong leadership vibe, a grounded person.
Marc:For a dude, sometimes there's only one way to take that in.
Marc:And that is, oh, I hate this teacher.
Marc:Oh, she's so mean, this teacher.
Marc:I wish a substitute was here.
Marc:Remember that guy?
Marc:Grow up.
Marc:That's all of the righteousness that may come out of me for this cycle.
Marc:We'll see.
Marc:Don't get alienated.
Marc:Just let me have my feelings.
Marc:Okay?
Marc:Can you do that?
Marc:Can you?
Marc:So Roseanne Barr has a documentary out about her run for president in 2012, and it's great.
Marc:It's really a great little doc.
Marc:It was fun to watch.
Marc:It's called Roseanne for President.
Marc:It's now in select theaters and available on most on-demand platforms.
Marc:And as I said before, I was nervous because I respect Roseanne Barr, and we had a nice conversation, primarily about comedy.
Marc:I'm trying to build a new hour myself.
Marc:It's hard.
Marc:Right?
Marc:I had a fucking dream last night that I bombed outdoors in Ireland.
Marc:I don't know why it was Ireland.
Guest:You were thinking of that Scotland festival, I bet.
Marc:You're probably right.
Marc:I bombed there for a month.
Guest:Did you do that Edinburgh?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And you bombed?
Marc:Well, yeah, I didn't know what it was.
Marc:I was there for a month.
Marc:A month?
Marc:Yeah, you go for a month and no one was coming.
Marc:And there was like nine people.
Marc:It was like doing the original room at 1.30.
Guest:Oh, Christ.
Guest:For a month?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I bet you wrote some material, though, right?
Marc:Sure, yeah, yeah.
Marc:You get angry and you write the material.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Well, I watched a movie last night and I got to tell you, I was surprisingly moved.
Marc:At my movie?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Thanks.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, it's good, isn't it?
Marc:It is good.
Marc:Thank you.
Marc:What I found interesting about it was that when somebody wants to do what they have every right to do, you know, but is really sort of out of the mainstream to run for office or get a platform or make a difference, it's a very human looking.
Marc:I mean, you're going to rooms full of people that are angry and sort of different types of people, but it looks like people trying to do something.
Guest:Yeah, they are.
Guest:That's why it says at the end of the movie, if you really want to build a third party, then get in there and help them build it.
Guest:They have no infrastructure, and that's the only reason that they don't win.
Marc:yeah but it was it was it was and there was a lot of stuff i didn't know about you uh that that i because i my my knowledge i the last time i talked to you were in a winnebago you were yeah you came to my studio and uh now you're a star and i have to go to your fucking studio i just it's just easier here it's a nice house like it's cozy in here this is i guess thanks for the cantaloupe i'm starving
Marc:Isn't that nice?
Guest:You're nice.
Guest:It's a good one.
Marc:It's the time.
Marc:Does it remind you of childhood?
Marc:My grandmother used to make melon balls.
Guest:Yeah, my grandmother used to, too.
Marc:Really?
Marc:The melon baller?
Marc:They were so good, yeah.
Marc:It's like a Jew thing, I think.
Guest:It is a Jew thing with sherbet on top.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Orange sherbet.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:remember yeah i do remember that and brisket i remember but i like i knew you kind of because i was a doorman at the comedy store but it was after you but we i know you started there like you get once you're part of that weird mythology of the comedy store well i didn't start there starting in colorado right but but you ended up there yeah show business i started at the comedy store for sure
Marc:Have you gotten to see Mitzi since she's been sick?
Guest:No, I haven't.
Guest:And I feel horrible.
Guest:I got to do it.
Marc:Well, she's barely there.
Marc:I mean, I've been told that she can still kind of recognize, but she's not communicative.
Marc:She's gone.
Marc:It's kind of... Last time I saw her, I was screaming at her, you know?
Marc:You were?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:About what?
Guest:You have a disease, and she didn't accept it.
Marc:Oh, you knew she had the Parkinson's?
Guest:Yeah, and she goes, no, I'm just nervous.
Guest:I go, no, you have a degenerate.
Marc:disease and that's why you're shaking you're not fucking shaking because you're fucking nervous yeah and she just wouldn't accept it yeah well I think Polly goes over there a lot and you know certain people go over there a lot Argus I think visits that's sweet that's sweet that he would do that well yeah you know I've talked to some of the old timers in here to like Jimmy Walker and you know and people yeah about like Mike Binder I had in here because I sort of like I get sort of obsessed with the comedy store
Guest:Yeah, I do too.
Guest:You do, right?
Guest:Oh, yeah, because I was there for some real amazing shit.
Guest:I know, right?
Guest:The most amazing shit in the world happened there.
Guest:It's crazy.
Guest:I wonder if it still does.
Guest:I went there.
Guest:I have to say it did because I went in there on this one night and they got like African-American stuff.
Marc:In the main room, they do a black show.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:What's it called?
Guest:It's Tuesday.
Marc:Yeah, I don't know what they call it.
Guest:Shit, I don't remember.
Marc:It's all right, but they still do a black show sometimes in there, yeah.
Guest:That shit is unreal.
Guest:It's like 14 times next level.
Guest:It's amazing.
Guest:It's just amazing.
Guest:People had to go down there and look, and they were kind enough.
Guest:to allow me to um smoke a lot of pot with them and they had some good shit and then they let me come up on stage and dance which i love and uh you know did you do any stand-up no i was i was like i wanted to stand up but they're like no don't push it because people don't want to hear any white women up there tonight you had your time shut up but they let me dance and that was really fun were people happy to see you putting music
Guest:and rap and shit in their act.
Guest:It's unreal.
Marc:They have a DJ on stage.
Guest:It's un-fucking-real.
Guest:It's the best thing I've seen in 20 years.
Marc:I felt the same way.
Marc:It was just last week I was in the OR and it was just like a regular OR show and then down the main room was a black show and it was like going to a different city.
Marc:It was excited.
Marc:It was interactive.
Marc:It was just a whole different experience and it was right down the hall.
Guest:It was the old comedy store.
Guest:That's what I thought.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Because you remember, oh, you weren't there then.
Marc:I was there in 87, 88.
Guest:That's when I was there.
Marc:I just missed you.
Marc:I was a doorman.
Marc:It was when Sam got big.
Guest:I remember that.
Guest:Weren't you and him out in the parking lot with fucking snort and blow with guns and shit?
Marc:No, the guns came later.
Guest:Yeah, I just missed the guns.
Guest:I was like, fuck them guys got guns out there.
Guest:I lost my mind and left.
Guest:This is like zeros again.
Marc:Yeah, it was a little weird.
Guest:I missed all that.
Guest:But it's the Ciro's ghost that are there.
Guest:That's why the comedy store was so exciting.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because it's got all those Ciro's.
Marc:It's got a haunted thing to it.
Guest:It is totally haunted.
Guest:Especially the main room, right?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But now it's weird.
Marc:It's all electric again.
Marc:It's packed out again.
Marc:It's popular again.
Marc:It went through where it wasn't, and now it's huge.
Guest:Comedy's going to get so fucking big.
Guest:That's why I want Trump to win, because it's going to fucking rock comedy.
Marc:But you don't really want him to win.
Guest:It'll fucking make comedy bigger than anything.
Marc:Well, yeah, we'll have something to make fun of, but, you know, I mean.
Guest:I need a fucking job.
Guest:Come on, Trump's good for the economy.
Guest:For your economy?
Guest:If Hillary's the fucking president, nobody's going to tell any goddamn jokes.
Guest:Everybody will be like, I am offended by that.
Marc:Fuck that.
Marc:But don't you think that there's more power in being offensive when it's actually a little more thought of as bad?
Guest:yeah because i was up in um oh christ i don't remember the name was it seattle or portland yeah portland yeah and it's right after the hollywood reporter thanks a lot hollywood reporter i did a great interview with them so they always have to do that headline for clickbait yeah and it goes bar says we'd be lucky to have trump yeah right right
Guest:And I was so fucking irate.
Guest:So they tried to boycott my Portland show because all they do is fucking read a headline.
Guest:You know, it destroys people, this headline.
Guest:They didn't click on it and see why I said what I said.
Guest:It was out of context and everything else.
Marc:That's what they do.
Guest:I said, Clinton owns the media.
Guest:She's going to win.
Guest:Don't fucking worry about it.
Guest:She already has a fucking receipt.
Guest:Don't worry about Trump.
Guest:It was all theater.
Guest:She's going to win.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:My opening act, which I can't remember her name.
Guest:She's a great comic.
Guest:But she's like, people were pressuring her not to open for me.
Marc:Oh, I'm based on a headline.
Guest:Because they thought I came out for Trump.
Marc:That's unbelievable.
Guest:I said, I'm falling for my fucking self.
Guest:I've only said it 10 million times.
Guest:I'm writing myself in until I fucking win.
Guest:Because I know I'm not full of shit and a liar.
Guest:And I know I care.
Guest:And I know I can't be bought.
Guest:So I don't know that about them two or any of them.
Marc:Well, I think that's another thing when I was watching the documentary that you start to realize about your history is that, you know, you know how to push back.
Marc:You fought for everything you had.
Marc:And that like, you know, some people it's like, well, Trump's a clown.
Marc:And certainly he's got experience in being a slippery, slightly immoral businessman and a functioning racist.
Guest:Don't fucking just get one guy to come on.
Marc:That's the Republican Party.
Marc:I get that.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And they always work that racist angle since what's his name in those fucking commercials with the Willie Horton.
Guest:It's not just Trump.
Guest:Trump is the most liberal person who's ever run a GOP.
Marc:I know.
Guest:He's more progressive than Hillary on so many things.
Guest:It's just how they're fucking with our minds.
Marc:Well, he shouldn't inflate such a moronic hatred.
Marc:And I've never seen it inflated like he's doing it.
Marc:I've never seen somebody accidentally retweet a Star of David from a Nazi website.
Guest:That was not a fucking Star of David.
Guest:Listen, I accidentally retweeted Zimmerman's address and got sued for it.
Guest:I got sued and I had to go to court.
Guest:Thank God I won.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Just because I was like retweeting anything that Spike Lee put out there.
Guest:And look at me going to fucking court because I retweeted.
Guest:That cost me a lot of money.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:So, yeah, don't retweet shit.
Guest:But that was not a Star of David.
Guest:The Star of David, sir, you should know this.
Guest:Are you a Jew?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:With that face, I thought so.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Is two interlocking blue triangles.
Marc:I know that.
Marc:I know.
Guest:So, you know, I just, it's just theater.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But you come from Holocaust survivors.
Guest:Of course.
Guest:So do you.
Marc:Right.
Marc:But I didn't grow up with it in that way, that your grandmother actually got out.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:She and her two sisters got out.
Marc:Yeah, and what happened to the rest of, what's the story?
Guest:She worked, she was 16, she worked and sent money home.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:She had 10 brothers and sisters and two parents and four grandparents.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And the money came back, this is how my mom tells it, money, the letter came back, no such people known to exist that long.
Guest:they call the Red Cross and the Red Cross says, oh, that city, that town doesn't exist anymore.
Guest:It was called Aborniki, Lithuania.
Guest:And they said, oh, that town doesn't even exist anymore.
Guest:There's nothing left of that town.
Guest:And they had had a big farm and they were farmers and they raised horses and that's how they made their money.
Guest:They sold work horses.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And it was all gone.
Guest:Which that's another story.
Guest:The whole thing's gone.
Guest:And they had been marched 14 miles from their home and put in a pit and shot and buried alive, most of them.
Guest:And it's like, okay.
Guest:And that affected my grandmother.
Guest:And she had been a performer before that.
Guest:And at that point, she never did it again.
Marc:What kind of performer?
Guest:She sang, she played the mandolin and sang Rudy Valley songs at bar mitzvahs and stuff.
Guest:She had a lovely soprano voice though.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And that was a story you grew up hearing?
Marc:Or did you hear that later?
Marc:Like the story about her family and everything?
Guest:I didn't hear it till later, but I grew up in an apartment house there in Salt Lake City, Utah with my grandparents had sponsored a bunch of people, survivors over from concentration camps, Germany or Poland and stuff.
Guest:And so this big apartment building, which my mother still owns, it was full of survivors and people with numbers on their arms and stuff.
Guest:And that's where I grew up.
Guest:So hence my humor.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:How did they end up in Salt Lake?
Guest:My grandparents sponsored them.
Marc:But how did your family end up in Salt Lake of all places?
Guest:My grandfather was, there was a small Jewish community there of 50 families, merchants, lived with Greek people.
Guest:They had, they sold, they had restaurants and stuff.
Guest:Import, exports and stuff, yeah.
Guest:And my family had always done that.
Guest:And so they always lived with Greeks and Chinese people, so that's what it was.
Marc:So were they there before the Mormons came?
Guest:They went there in, I think, the mid-1800s.
Marc:So probably, I don't know when that history lines up, but it's probably around the same time.
Marc:So they were there a long time.
Guest:Yeah, they were there a long time.
Guest:I think they came in the 1880s.
Guest:They came in, you know how there was first the 1880s, a whole bunch of people came from Europe.
Guest:I think they were in that group.
Marc:And that's, I think a lot of Jews ended up in the Midwest too, like in Minneapolis.
Guest:Yeah, first they went to Kansas City.
Guest:That was like, you know, that big Jewish population.
Guest:And then from Kansas City, if you ever read Western history of Utah, a lot of the cowboys and stuff, they were Jewish and they were black too.
Guest:So there's a big Jewish presence in Utah for way, way back.
Marc:And you had to balance it with the Mormon presence?
Guest:Well, I was just going to say my grandfather was a kosher butcher, and that's why he was in Salt Lake, was to serve that community.
Marc:Right, right, yeah.
Marc:And what about, how did you get along with the Mormon contingent?
Guest:Well, they were our neighbors and stuff.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, you know, as long as you were just like them, it was great.
Marc:So you had to act a little Mormon?
Guest:Well, you know, you had to get along with them.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Honestly, they really thought I was a freak.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They knew I was Jewish because I always, you know, everybody knew that.
Guest:But they didn't really know what it meant.
Guest:Like every Christmas, they'd always bring us Christmas presents.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They felt sorry for us because we didn't have Christmas.
Guest:You know, they were sweet.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I asked my dad too, how come Santa doesn't come to our house?
Guest:Just the neighbors with presents.
Guest:How does he know?
Guest:Here's what my dad said.
Guest:He was so fucking funny.
Guest:He goes, because Santa is an anti-Semite.
Marc:And they were, your grandmother was socialist or were they like old Jewish socialists?
Guest:My one grandmother, my mother's mother is completely like a Nixon Republican.
Guest:Right, uh-huh.
Guest:For the, you know, for the business, she had a thick Lithuanian, which I can't do, but it was like, for the business woman.
Guest:Oh, right.
Guest:You know, the business, what the hell but the business woman.
Uh-huh.
Guest:My favorite thing she ever said, she used to kosher, they were butchers.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So she used to kosher her own chickens.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And her son had- She'd kill them?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And kosher them.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The reverend would come over.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:She'd be cutting their throat in the backyard and I'd watch the body run with no head on it and the reverend was-
Guest:The rabbi?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It was called the reverend there in Salt Lake.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:Because there was a, the cantor also was the reverend.
Guest:No kidding.
Guest:Because there was like a lot of army people there.
Guest:They have a reverend.
Guest:They don't call it a rabbi.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:So, yeah, he'd be squeezing the blood out of the head and she's, whatever.
Marc:Praying?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Doing the prayer?
Guest:But then she explained it like this.
Guest:You cut the yogler wine.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:You caught, you must caught the yogler, Wayne.
Guest:It was all freaky.
Guest:It was like a farm.
Guest:I kind of had a farm-ish.
Guest:A lot of farmers have that background.
Marc:And you have a farm.
Marc:Do you still have it?
Guest:I've always farmed, yeah.
Guest:I have my farm.
Guest:Yeah, yeah, I love my farm.
Marc:What happened?
Marc:It seems to like, what I didn't know, what made me curious was that this car accident, when you got hit by a car.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:I mean, you were already a kind of opinionated, full-on personality kid, no?
Guest:No.
Guest:Really?
Guest:I was a shining example of everything.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:Good girl.
Guest:Yes, I was a real good girl.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Marc:Up until the accident.
Guest:Yeah, then I changed.
Marc:So you got hit by a car.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Marc:How the fuck did that happen?
Guest:I was crossing the street and this woman hit me.
Guest:The street to our school was at the top of the hill so the sun just blinded her.
Guest:And she didn't see me and she ran over me and the hood ornament went in my head.
Guest:She dragged me, they said 30 feet, my legs were like hamburger meat.
Guest:I think I would know if I hit somebody and I'd step on the brake but she kept on going for 30 feet more, yards.
Guest:30 yards.
Marc:She stopped.
Guest:I think somebody said, hey, hon, you've got somebody stuck on your hood, their head is kind of... There's a Jewish kid under the car.
Guest:I don't know if she ever saw it till... Oh, my God.
Guest:You know, somebody pulled her over.
Marc:So you broke your legs and your head?
Guest:I didn't break my legs, but I, you know, my skin was gone.
Guest:So I'd have skin grafts and stuff, and I had a head injury like, you know, football players get.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:What did they call that?
Guest:Traumatic head injury.
Guest:Had a brain concussion and a skull fracture.
Marc:Something like that.
Marc:And when did you realize that you were different?
Marc:Did someone have to tell you or did you know?
Guest:No, I always knew I was different.
Guest:You mean that I had changed?
Guest:I was a me that was inside before.
Marc:Oh, it got unleashed?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Came out.
Marc:Your real self manifested.
Guest:One of them.
Guest:One of them.
Guest:It was like a 12-year-old.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:Yeah, and it was a boy.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:So it confused people.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And what led to the institutionalization?
Guest:Telling people that I was a boy.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah, and other things.
Guest:Committing to it?
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:And then like designing my own clothing that people found distasteful.
Guest:Those were the symptoms?
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:Failing school.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Just dropping out totally.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Is that when you had the first kid?
Yeah.
Guest:Oh, no, I didn't have my kid till after the mental institution.
Guest:I also didn't have any kids till I had hitchhiked cross-country back and forth by myself.
Guest:Then I had kids.
Marc:Do you look back on all the stuff that happened immediately after the accident, after the institution, as being because of your brain injury?
Marc:Or did you find... Did you feel like you were fucked up?
Guest:I knew there were...
Guest:I knew I had parts.
Guest:I don't know if you call it fucked up, but I knew there were different parts of me inside.
Guest:Mostly I tried not to manifest them.
Guest:I tried to pass, that's what we say in the language of people who have dissociative identity disorder.
Guest:We try to pass as singletons.
Guest:So it's like anybody else that's kind of closeted.
Guest:You just, not client of closet, but closet.
Guest:You just try to get along, to get along, to go along.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You, like, notice people so you can copy what they do so they won't know that you're fucking out there.
Guest:Because then, as soon as they find that out, you do get thrown in the mental institution.
Guest:They do experiments on you, and they...
Guest:They take parts of your brains out and they fucking do all that shit and they shock you.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And they, you know.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, they throw you, whatever they want to do and I've seen it all.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I saw every bit of it.
Marc:When you were in the hospital?
Guest:What happens to mental patients, yeah, in this country.
Marc:It's horrible.
Guest:It is horrible.
Guest:I had to live there almost for a year with people that sometimes run, get a pair of scissors and run after you.
Marc:Oh my God.
Guest:And try to stab you in the neck.
Marc:That was the doctors.
Guest:No, the doctors just drug you because they're getting paid to give drugs to people.
Guest:I remember the worst time in the mental institution was when my teacher, this was the height of freakish.
Guest:Well, this is just one of them.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I don't even know why I should say this.
Guest:I remember I was elected class president and the teacher came in and said, so-and-so shit in the sink.
Guest:He went to the bathroom in the sink and you're class president, so you have to clean it.
Guest:What?
Guest:That's what the class president.
Guest:I said, why did you shit in that sink?
Guest:To the teacher?
Guest:No, to the kid who shit in the sink.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And they said, you don't talk abusive to him.
Guest:It was like the height of crazy.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I go, it's not abusive to tell somebody, ask somebody why they shit in the sink.
Guest:I go, I want to know why you shit in the sink.
Guest:You tell me.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he goes, so you'd have to clean it.
Guest:I go, you dirty motherfucker.
Guest:And then they put you in...
Guest:Isolation.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I got put in isolation with a serial killer.
Guest:I didn't know it.
Guest:Like this was an interesting one.
Marc:Oh, this was at the hospital.
Guest:Yeah, this big fat Marge.
Marc:I thought you were talking about school and I'm like, what happened?
Guest:Well, that is where I went to school.
Marc:At the hospital.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:So I went in there, Marge, she's a big fat lady.
Yeah.
Guest:She kept on luring me, I guess grooming me, and I was a people pleaser, a nice, you know, I wanna be a nice help people girl.
Guest:She's like, you know, I'm gonna tell you a secret.
Guest:It went over days, and she captured my mind, so I did what she said was,
Guest:I said I didn't want to go to dinner and I stayed on the ward and I snuck in the office and got the key and went and unlocked her cage.
Guest:And I went in there with her and, you know, just sitting and talking to her.
Guest:And about four minutes into it, I realized why I was in the cage with her.
Guest:Oh.
Guest:And I had to fucking fat mouth my way out of that one for about 20 minutes, and it was terrifying, but I did it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I was like, Jesus.
Guest:That's where I got my gift of gab.
Marc:That was the first show?
Marc:The first stand-up show?
Guest:Yeah, but I don't know.
Marc:When you got out, that's when you left home and kind of went out on your own, right?
Guest:Well, yeah, I got out.
Guest:Then I moved to up in the mountains in Georgetown, Colorado.
Marc:Just what compelled you?
Guest:I got pregnant in the mental institution.
Marc:In the institution?
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:And right when I got out.
Guest:Was it a consensual situation?
Guest:Right when I got out.
Guest:Some parts of me were consensual, but others weren't.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I don't know what you do about that, you know?
Guest:Right.
Guest:I had a baby.
Guest:I gave her up for adoption.
Guest:And I met a girl there and went to live with her on a commune in Colorado.
Marc:This is like 1970, so that was like a thing.
Guest:72.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And how was that?
Guest:How was what?
Marc:Living on a commune.
Guest:Fucking awesome.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:We had a rock and roll band upstairs.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Guest:We worked in the kitchen and washed dishes and stuff.
Guest:And I had a boyfriend.
Guest:I got to go live with him half the time.
Guest:It was all hippie heaven.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:It was cool.
Marc:Did your family know where you were or you just checked out?
Yeah.
Guest:No, they came and visit us.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:They were really cool.
Guest:I remember my dad talking to all my freak friends and asking why they hated the government and shit.
Marc:Right, right.
Guest:They were cool.
Marc:And how'd you make your way down into, where'd you end up, like in Denver?
Guest:Yeah, first I got married to some guy.
Guest:And no, I'm kidding.
Guest:And we had three kids and we moved down to the city.
Marc:What'd he do?
Guest:He worked for the post office.
Marc:Was he an all right guy?
Guest:He's an awesome guy.
Marc:That's good.
Guest:He's a great dad, awesome grandpa, great person.
Marc:That's great.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:So, and then what, when you started.
Guest:Still a good, good friend.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And you get on with all the kids?
Guest:Who?
Marc:Your kids.
Marc:You.
Marc:Do you get along?
Guest:Well, we have three kids together.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And you have a good relationship with everybody?
Guest:With all my kids?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, hells yeah.
Guest:That's great.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I got, yeah.
Marc:So.
Guest:Got six grandkids.
Marc:Oh my God.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Do they all come down to Hawaii and hang out?
Guest:Well, some of them live in Hawaii.
Guest:Oh, that's great.
Guest:Yeah, I have a farm there.
Guest:I know, yeah.
Guest:I made a conscious decision quite a while ago to want to farm.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because I just love it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's in your genes.
Guest:Yeah, it's totally in my genes.
Guest:It totally is.
Guest:I feel it like that soil.
Guest:I can feel that going way, way back.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:It's beautiful down there too.
Marc:Get a little peace of mind.
Guest:I can write there because they're quiet.
Guest:It's quiet, you know.
Marc:Yeah, and the man you're with seems like a sweet guy.
Guest:He's pretty sweet, yeah.
Guest:He's an old grump.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:He just turned 67.
Guest:Christ, he's really grumpy.
Marc:Is he still playing sax?
Guest:Oh, he plays six instruments, so I have so much beautiful music in my life.
Guest:That's sweet.
Guest:You know?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:He's a great musician.
Marc:So when did you start doing the stand-up in Denver?
Marc:What compelled you?
Marc:Did you see somebody do it?
Marc:Were you a fan?
Guest:I was a cocktail waitress.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And I always wanted to do it because my dad, he wanted to be a comic.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:So my dad was always, he'd always tell me about all the comics.
Guest:You know, he'd be like, this guy, this, this.
Marc:Do you remember who?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Everybody.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:He just loved comedy.
Guest:Jackie Leonard.
Guest:Well, here's what he's doing.
Guest:Jackie Leonard.
Guest:And he's like, look how ingenious this guy is with just the click.
Guest:You don't even see.
Marc:Oh, Jackie Vernon.
Guest:Jackie Vernon.
Guest:I love Jackie Vernon.
Guest:And there was Jackie Sheldon, too.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Everybody was Jackie.
Marc:Jackie Leonard.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Everyone took the name because someone got successful with it.
Guest:I was going to say about the comedy story in the big room we were talking about being special nights.
Guest:I saw the greatest comic I've ever seen, Jackie Diamond.
Guest:Did you ever see Jackie Diamond?
Marc:Michael Rosenberg?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marc:I went bowling with Sammy Davis Jr.
Marc:He patted him on the back.
Marc:His glass eye popped out of his head, rolled down the alley, picked up the spare.
Marc:I remember that kid.
Marc:I did a special with him when he was from Newton, Massachusetts.
Marc:And he did that character, and we both auditioned for something.
Marc:Then he came out.
Marc:I think he became an Orthodox Jew.
Guest:He did.
Guest:He moved to Israel.
Guest:He married a... They had kids, and they went to South America.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But he was just beyond a genius.
Guest:And he used to do a fake Jerry Lewis telethon on stage in the big room.
Guest:Right, right.
Guest:You loved it.
Guest:It was amazing comedy.
Guest:Oh, that's great.
Guest:It was beyond anything.
Guest:Like right now, if he was on it that black night, it'd be like, that'd be.
Marc:Yeah, it'd be that exciting.
Guest:Yeah, it'd be that level of comedy.
Guest:But at that point, people were like not getting it.
Guest:It's like, when did he smash the watermelon?
Guest:Right.
Guest:but i saw sam kennison i saw harry basil and sam kennison and jackie diamond fucking go off on each other on stage in the big room yeah and i was like this is never this is so legendary oh it used to get crazy there all the fucking time it was just crazy there
Marc:do you think they were really doing them devil worship things over there sam kennison and them worshiping the devil i lived in well i lived in crest hill you know was they doing devil worship no it's a lot of coke oh i think i think that you know the mythology of the store and the weirdness and the hauntedness i i don't think it's beyond sam to not unlike some you know hippie to try something but i don't think he was like i think he really believed in jesus
Marc:And I think that like his.
Marc:He definitely did.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:His plan was, I'm going to be the worst motherfucker I can be.
Marc:And at the last minute, I'll apologize and I'll get in.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Pushing the limits like comics do, right?
Marc:That's right.
Marc:I think so.
Guest:We're made different, ain't we?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Thank God.
Marc:Or whoever.
Marc:I mean, the beautiful thing that I realize as I get older is that we can just go, me and you can just hang out here and we know what the deal is.
Marc:And I can go to the comedy store and just like right away you're talking to brilliant people, funny people, people who think about shit.
Guest:People are on your same wavelength.
Marc:And you live a different life.
Marc:Yeah, you do.
Marc:The fact that we have to... The funniest thing about comedy is that we have to entertain.
Marc:Because you did one of the greatest socially aware, radical shows for years for regular people.
Marc:And we live completely fucking weirdo lives.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But you did your time.
Marc:I mean, it sounds like you definitely had the responsibilities of somebody that struggled.
Marc:You had kids.
Marc:You had a husband.
Marc:You lived that life.
Marc:You saw what it looked like.
Marc:I don't think I ever lived that life, really.
Marc:I've been a comic since I was 20.
Marc:I live like a fucking gypsy.
Guest:Well, you don't have any kids, right?
Guest:I did.
Marc:I managed to get out without kids.
Guest:See, that's why.
Guest:yeah i used to be sad about it i'm not so sad about it anymore right so i tell my kids yeah i said whatever you do when you grow up don't have any children your own it'll just ruin your life trust me but uh but you have those grandkids right i sure do but i got uh how many kids do i got i got two sons and um yeah both my sons they don't have any kids but all three of my daughters they have kids
Marc:When he started doing comedy, what was it like?
Guest:I hope my sons don't get anybody pregnant because I don't want them being with any bitch.
Guest:I do think that's a feminist issue and they won't let me say shit like that.
Marc:What?
Guest:I don't want my sons getting with any hoes or any bitches.
Marc:That ruin them, that hurt them, that take advantage of them.
Guest:Yeah, because they're going to come against me.
Guest:And so that is a feminist issue when I have to bust some bitch down.
Marc:See what I'm saying?
Marc:I do see what you're saying.
Marc:Because you know both sides of it.
Guest:I sure do.
Marc:You know righteous feminism and you know how women can be horrible.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:I know the scam they're working trying to get with my sons.
Guest:I found one though.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'm not going to say.
Guest:I can't jinx it.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:I'm looking for these nice girls to force my sons to marry.
Guest:I've always been doing it, but you got to work it right.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:See?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They got to have that ass.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:The ass is important.
Guest:That's all that matters.
Yeah.
Guest:And so you've got to get a smart one that'll do what you say, and they've got to have an ass.
Guest:That's a lot of things to find together in one package.
Marc:Well, maybe the outreach will work here on the show.
Guest:I hope so.
Guest:It would be a woman who would have respect for me and want to help me grow my family, not her bitch-ass family.
Guest:And we would help her family, of course, but she's not going to come in there and start fucking treating my son like shit.
Guest:I won't have it.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:No.
Marc:No, there's some hurtful people out there.
Guest:Women are every bit as horrible and abusive as men are.
Guest:Nobody says that, but they do.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Mental abuse and shit that men have to go.
Guest:I know why men hate us.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I do.
Guest:Because of that?
Guest:Because we're just terrible fucking people sometimes.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:we are men are too but jesus thank god we won't have to be here much longer to fucking work on this shit right really you think it's over well you know i'm coming on 64 yeah i mean sooner or later plus i don't think the world's gonna last that long seriously i don't i don't i think the world would be fine i don't know if people will last that long yeah the world would be like oh thank god yeah now we can breathe now we can grow exactly
Marc:Because I want to know a bit about what comedy looked like when you started.
Marc:Where'd you go up first?
Guest:I was kind of doing comedy in this woman's collective that I was part of.
Guest:It was during an interesting political time in Denver there.
Guest:In Denver?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I was also a cocktail waitress at that same time.
Guest:I had all these different lives.
Guest:And I was a housewife.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And a mom, you know?
Guest:So I had a lot of things going on.
Marc:And you were still holding back as many of the different yous as you could?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Trying to just stay straight, you know?
Marc:Because, like, did you feel that, like, with me, when I started doing stand-up, it was like, you know, it was something that you could truly call your own.
Marc:You could say whatever the fuck you wanted.
Marc:It was your fucking space, and you knew exactly what needed to be done up there.
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Marc:Right?
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Marc:And you could like, I got into it.
Marc:I'm like, that's how I want to find myself.
Marc:I don't know if I want to be an entertainer, but I want to find some space.
Guest:Absolutely.
Guest:You want to find a voice.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Exactly.
Guest:It's voice for sure.
Marc:It must've felt great.
Guest:Like when he first started doing it, my first night on stage and I, I written, I had written my five minutes.
Guest:It took a year.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And, uh,
Guest:First time on stage, oh, I just killed, and I got hooked, you know?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:It's like, first one's free, kid.
Marc:Yeah, right, exactly.
Guest:So then I was talking to the other comics backstage, and they were like, hey, you ought to do this and do that.
Guest:See, I should have knew right then.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So I start going, yeah, okay.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And the second time I came back, I did what- They told you?
Guest:Yeah, which was-
Guest:You know, you got to sell that line harder.
Guest:You know, it was all the wrong shit.
Guest:And I got booed.
Guest:And then I just tried to chase that first one for 30 years.
Guest:And you got it back.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And you got it.
Marc:You nailed it pretty good.
Guest:I did have a wonderful man.
Guest:You know, because I've done four HBO specials.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But this writing new stuff at this age...
Guest:That took a long time.
Guest:You get a little bit of a block.
Marc:But also you've evolved as a person.
Guest:So how are you going to make that funny?
Marc:Exactly, right?
Guest:It's hard.
Marc:Yeah, when you're in a different place and you feel good about some things and worse about others that you have a voice, you have opinions that you want to try to figure out, but everyone knows you as whatever you were.
Marc:And God forbid you feel good about yourself.
Marc:How the fuck are you going to do comedy?
Guest:Yeah, exactly.
Guest:It is that, definitely.
Guest:Right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I did do one act that I took to New York to have people see if they were going to put me on Broadway with the shit.
Marc:Oh, right, like a one-person show kind of thing?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And they were like, you ought to do it in a church.
Guest:Because I did talk about God a lot and stuff.
Guest:Where'd you come out on that?
Guest:They didn't find it humorous.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What was the arc of it?
Guest:Well, you know, my prayers and what I ask.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:Because I did try to repent one time.
Guest:Because I don't want to burn in hell fire for all of eternity.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:But why would you?
Marc:You're a Jew.
Yeah.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:All right.
Guest:They'll figure out a fucking way.
Guest:Motherfuckers.
Guest:Anti-Semite.
Guest:But anyway, I think the devil's an anti-Semite.
Guest:Or a Jew.
Guest:No.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:No fucking way.
Guest:All right.
Guest:No.
Guest:Okay.
Guest:So I'm talking to God and I'm just going, I got to...
Guest:reboot you know so i go to my rabbi and this is true too i go um should i just i think maybe i should start a foundation i started talking that hollywood shit yeah i give you know set up a scholar blah blah here's my rabbi he was the greatest person i ever met he goes that's all well and good but i think maybe yeah instead you should learn to be
Guest:And I talk about how that was a walk through hell.
Guest:I thought it was going to be easy, but it's actually like a walk through fucking hellfire.
Guest:To be nice.
Guest:I had to give up, you know, my soul was on fire.
Guest:You had to fucking hold back what I really want to say.
Guest:You know you're a comic.
Guest:I know, I know.
Guest:You're out there fucking being nice.
Guest:I mean, I couldn't even do comedy.
Marc:but i was doing it in that form you know yeah but like being nice off stage like like you know i've i you know i've i was very defensive and very insecure and very angry for a long time and preemptively hostile you know because you think automatically think someone's fucking with you well they are see this what i realized after my after my walk through the fire dark night of the soul there yeah yeah
Guest:Hey, I'm not a nice fucking person.
Guest:That's when I got enlightened.
Guest:I go, hey, wait a minute.
Guest:This ain't, I'm not a nice fucking person.
Marc:And you're okay with that.
Guest:I'm a comic.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But not like, because I can feel a certain thing right now.
Marc:I think that the people that know you and they see you in a real way, you know, you're nice too.
Guest:yeah i try to be nice i try to leave a small negative carbon footprint with people right but on the bigger level you gotta protect yourself well no i don't even get around i don't know my family i can't take it oh yeah but uh in comedy you know you gotta somebody's gotta be getting smacked or it ain't funny that's true right yeah and usually it's better if it's you
Guest:Yeah, it is better if it's you.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:But if it's you, it's everybody, right?
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:It's so specific that it's universal.
Marc:That's the balance.
Marc:Because, well, yeah, I think that was what was amazing about the sort of anger of your original manifestation of that character, you know, was that, you know, it was something everybody felt.
Marc:You had your own insecurities, but, you know, you were empowered in, you know, in how you saw the fucking world.
Guest:I wanted to just go, let's wait a minute now.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But you were an underdog as well.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Just naturally.
Yeah.
Marc:In the way of your situation in life that you were depicting.
Guest:Well, we were always the underdog in my family.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And, you know, being a woman, you're always the underdog.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Who were you working with when you started that you liked, comic-wise?
Marc:Any of those Denver guys?
Guest:You mean when I went?
Guest:Before you- The Denver guys?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, everybody.
Guest:All the Denver guys were frigging great.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I mean, we all grew together over three or four years.
Guest:We worked with Sinbad, too, and Sinbad was a blast to work with.
Marc:He's a great guy.
Marc:I had him in here.
Marc:Great, great guy.
Guest:He can go on forever, and it's funny.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Just off the top of his- Yeah.
Marc:He was a guy.
Marc:He was from Denver?
Yeah.
Guest:No, he came to Denver.
Guest:We would bring in comics.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You know, we'd all watch them and learn from them.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Louie Anderson, of course.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He was one of the first headliners who ever saw.
Guest:He blew our mind when he came to Denver.
Marc:He was just in here.
Marc:He's beautiful, beautiful.
Guest:Isn't he?
Marc:Great comic.
Guest:Christ, he's great on that basket show as a mom.
Guest:Yeah, isn't he?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I think, I hope he wins an Emmy for it.
Marc:That'd be sweet, right?
Guest:He's just great as that character.
Marc:You toured with him like in the late 80s, didn't you?
Guest:I remember because I- I toured with Sinbad, too, before that.
Marc:I was in Albuquerque after I lost my mind on drugs.
Marc:I went back home.
Guest:Why'd you lose your mind on drugs?
Guest:That's what I heard about you.
Marc:Yeah, I was hanging out with the... Yeah, I wrote about it.
Marc:Yeah, I've talked about it before.
Marc:I was hanging out with Sam.
Marc:I was up at Crest Hill and they would come up there and party for days and days.
Marc:And I was doing a lot of blow.
Marc:And I was like, I got psychosis.
Marc:Like I started to think I was living in some sort of evil conspiracy, which I might have been.
Marc:And that I was sort of waiting for instructions from voices that I was hearing.
Marc:It got pretty... It was good.
Marc:I went out there.
Marc:And I had to leave.
Marc:I finally, like a voice said, you gotta get the fuck out of here.
Marc:And Sam and I had had some falling out.
Marc:He was a little bit of a bully.
Marc:And that's an understatement.
Marc:So I freaked out.
Marc:I left.
Marc:I was just an unpaid regular, belly room comic, door guy.
Marc:And I went back home and I got clean.
Marc:And I was at home in Albuquerque, just lost, trying to get the fucking psychosis out.
Marc:And you and Louie were playing.
Marc:and i remember because i knew louie i didn't know you but i knew him from the store and i went over there to to see you guys i remember where you were staying or whatever but i went to the hotel and you know i said hi but i didn't i didn't go to the show but it was weird i don't remember what surrounded it but i just wanted to you know feel like i'd done something at the store do you know what i mean like do you remember me like i'm still i'm alive so how long have you been sober now
Marc:Almost 17 years.
Guest:Shit.
Guest:What do you think?
Guest:Better or worse?
Marc:I'm good.
Marc:I drink a lot of coffee.
Marc:I have my nicotine lozenges.
Marc:I'm better.
Marc:A lot better.
Marc:I got myself back.
Guest:That's good.
Marc:Because a lot of that stuff, you're just avoiding your shit.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You can't avoid it.
Guest:It gets you.
Marc:It'll do something.
Marc:It's either going to be malignant or it's going to be positive.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:Absolutely.
Marc:So when you got to Hollywood, how'd that work with Mitzi?
Marc:You just auditioned for Mitzi?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:What made you come to Hollywood?
Guest:It was Sam.
Guest:Sam's the one that... Kennison?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:He saw you in Denver?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We worked together in Colorado Springs, and he's like, you've got to come out there, Mitzi.
Guest:He was like the fifth guy who said it, too.
Guest:You know, Louie said it all the time.
Guest:Alan Steven said it all the time.
Guest:Alan.
Guest:My friends.
Guest:Yeah, I love Alan.
Guest:Yeah, he was in here.
Guest:He's something.
Guest:I just love him.
Guest:He's a tough guy.
Guest:Yeah, he's the Mr. New Jersey.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But...
Marc:But that was before Sam was the star, though.
Marc:He was just working, right?
Guest:He was the star in the clubs.
Marc:Right.
Guest:Yeah, he didn't do the Rodney movie or the Rodney show yet.
Guest:Right, it hadn't happened yet.
Guest:Because young comedians is where we all went to the next level, right?
Marc:Right, right, right.
Guest:Then he was in the movie.
Marc:Did you love him when you saw him first, Sam?
Guest:Oh, fuck yeah, there was nothing that good ever.
Guest:I never saw Bill Hicks though.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Till later.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I think if I would have seen Bill Hicks.
Guest:First.
Guest:I mean, there they were working together in Texas.
Guest:Bill was a kid.
Guest:Kennison and Hicks.
Marc:Yeah, Bill was a kid.
Guest:I wish I would have seen that, because I have to say, they're both great, but man, Hicks has five more levels.
Marc:Highbrow, elevated, yeah.
Whoa.
Guest:But Sam was great, and one of the first time there in Colorado Springs, he was approaching Lenny Bruce material.
Guest:It was phenomenal.
Marc:Like a different time zone.
Marc:You're like, what's happening?
Guest:And me and him hooked into a friendship then, you know, and he insisted to... When he came up on stage after I opened for him, you know, he said, that's the real queen of comedy.
Guest:Fuck Joan Rivers, which, I mean...
Guest:That was something to hear.
Guest:Sure, yeah, beautiful.
Guest:Me and my sister.
Marc:And he told you to come out?
Guest:And everybody was like, Jesus, that guy, you know?
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:It's like a fucking tornado hit the place.
Guest:Yeah, so all my friends and my comedian friends, they'd come out and audition for Mitzi.
Guest:And so I did.
Guest:I came out and...
Guest:I did five minutes in the low room.
Guest:What do you call that?
Guest:Downstairs?
Guest:No.
Guest:Downstairs.
Guest:Oh, original room.
Guest:Original room, yeah.
Guest:And she came up after I came off stage.
Guest:She goes, go do 20 in the big room.
Guest:And all the waitresses said that never had happened before.
Guest:Just go from five minutes there to 20 there.
Guest:And she walked down there to watch you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And George Schlatter was there and he was doing this show Funny and it was featuring funny women of the comedy store.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he was there in the main room.
Guest:And so after I came off, this is one night, came off the stage...
Guest:that he approached me said you come back and film funny and uh so i said okay and it was so phenomenal and i i think mitzi and george and then i went home to get my kids together and came back out three weeks later and during the uh rehearsal for funny when uh you know in the in the main room yeah uh
Guest:mccauley was there yeah and he came up and he gave me his card and he goes i really roseanne i i love you and uh you know come to this so i go move thanks move because you know i thought it was just a guy and then he handed me this uh card and it's fucking jim mccall and i look for my sister she was there too and i go get
Guest:over here and then we just were running in the street in sunset screaming he goes i'm gonna put you on friday night holy shit that was like all within a month they never went on the tonight show and they had julio on the show yeah and he hired me to open for his uh for him in 18 cities and
Guest:And there it was.
Marc:All in a month.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That's unbelievable.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:That was exciting as shit.
Guest:Exciting as shit.
Marc:And you had the goods.
Marc:How much time did you have?
Marc:Did you have like an hour?
Guest:15 minutes.
Marc:You had 15.
Guest:That's all I had to do to warm them up for Julio.
Guest:and then like that's all that that's all you could hold their attention let's put it that way sure when you're opening right they don't want to see me what were you doing on the road were you middling or at that time or were you i just was with julio oh really that was i didn't really ever go on the road too much to do stand up till now now i'm going on a road trip for two weeks um in september all through canada and coming st louis and some other i don't know where did you work at the store regularly after that
Guest:Mitzi had a room, the Dunes, in Las Vegas, so yeah, she did let me have two nights in the big room, and then she let me go to Vegas once a month because then I could afford to bring my kids out and rent a house.
Guest:So I owe everything to Mitzi, sure, like you do and like everyone does.
Marc:Did you like her?
Guest:I love her.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, love her.
Guest:She's a genius 100 years ahead of her time.
Marc:And all those dudes that you started with, those are hard dudes.
Marc:Those are like, you know, real deal.
Marc:Who?
Marc:Like, you know, Sam and Alan.
Guest:They're comics.
Marc:Yeah, real comics, man.
Guest:They're real comics.
Guest:Alan knows where all the bodies are buried.
Marc:I know.
Guest:I'm going to interview him and make him tell the stories.
Guest:Are you?
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:Have you heard his stories?
Guest:Oh, my God.
Guest:And I was there for a lot of them, too.
Marc:Did you get along with Sam all the way through?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:He turns on you after a while.
Marc:Right.
Guest:He was kind of bipolar.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:If he liked you one day, then he didn't like you.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But all comics are like that.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:Yep.
Guest:Then I didn't like him.
Guest:When he was ready to be nice to me, I was like, oh, fuck you.
Guest:And then when I was ready to be nice, he was like, fuck off and stuff.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:That's how it is.
Guest:It is.
Guest:That's why if you could have any friendships over the years, you're real lucky because we're so all fucking bipolar.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:It's true, yeah.
Marc:Yeah, but even if you don't see people for a while, if you're a comic, it's all right.
Guest:Yeah, you're sharp right where you were.
Guest:Got any jokes about Trump?
Guest:Right?
Guest:You didn't see somebody for 30 years.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:It's fun.
Guest:We all live in our heads a lot, though, huh?
Marc:solitary a lot but i'm like i'm okay with that me too like sometimes where people i say like you know i think i'm done like i just want to go hang out somewhere they're like you go crazy i'm like i'm ready for that kind of crazy i don't mind being alone i can do nothing all day and like i'm occupied thinking you know what i mean making some food
Guest:Yeah, absolutely.
Marc:That's enough.
Guest:It is.
Guest:Absolutely.
Marc:I don't like the pressure, especially now with so many eyes on you and everybody willing to, you're ready to tear you apart for anything you say.
Marc:It's like, it's fucking exhausting, man.
Marc:It was hard before all this shit, you know?
Yeah.
Guest:Well, also in that old act, I said, I realize that people who tell the truth, nobody fucking likes them.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:When you realize that.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And the only time they like somebody who tells the truth is 500 years after they're dead and only if they are tortured horribly before they died.
Marc:That's true.
Marc:You're not invited to the party.
Marc:It's like, no, she's just going to ruin the party.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Well, we are a bummer.
Marc:I know.
Marc:That's why I just try to not go to too many parties and be nice.
Marc:I've gotten nicer.
Marc:I don't know if it's going to help my comedy, but I feel like I've gotten nicer.
Guest:I liked when it all came together in my head, and that was during the making of this movie, where I could put everybody on the same bus, all the parts of me.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And we'd be like, oh, we're pulling for good.
Guest:In the documentary.
Guest:Yeah, in the documentary, and we'd be like,
Guest:you know the greatest feeling in the world is when you know you've helped a whole bunch of people I mean seriously after you really focus in on what's important that's such a great feeling and I did it for narcissistic reasons because you know it made me feel so great to be able to you know see people hear me tell the truth and get it
Marc:yeah and be passionate about it and and and really yeah it did show all your as many as i could like i was i thought it was a ballsy movie i didn't know what to expect i didn't even know if i was going to watch it because i got a screener i don't know how much time but i'm like you know i gotta you know for his hands coming over yeah you had to do it what's your favorite part um
Marc:There's a couple weird parts.
Marc:I like moments.
Marc:Your favorite moment.
Marc:Well, there's a couple.
Marc:Right off the top of my head, when you said, will you help me fold the sheets?
Marc:And he said, not right now.
Marc:And he just walked away playing horn.
Marc:And you're like, okay.
Marc:it was just it really defines your relationship like yeah well just that you're like i want to fold the sheets now and he's like not now but he didn't really have anything else to do but play his sax and i thought that was sweet and you just walked back in and waited for him but yeah you can't disrespect a musician when they're practicing i mean you know of course i have but i've learned
Marc:The other parts were like, you know, I like that you were, you know, really show the personal sort of challenge of dealing with Jill Stein.
Marc:And, you know, you're the sort of the the the part of you that's sort of like, do I want to be a team player and honor that or do I want to just like find her annoying and not like her?
Marc:right that's a real struggle it was it was i know i could see it because you're like if you really mean it shouldn't you just be like well whatever the party needs but you're like fuck her on some right yeah no i know i get it but you i thought that was great i also thought it was interesting um
Marc:you know when you switch parties and you found more support with the freakier people that weren't because there is a level of organization in the green party that that is not that different than mainstream politics only it doesn't matter as much yeah they talk that same corporate shit right but you know when you got into the peace and freedom you're like oh these are these people are really my people in a way yeah they were yeah but you know they all got they all got people at the top that
Marc:you know they're the gatekeepers sure they're not gonna let the voice of the people come out no matter what they're that's how they're getting their money but the weird thing about the voice of the people is that like it can come out but now it's how it's framed i mean i think that you know we've never lived in a better time to say shit you're right but it's like what are they gonna do with it
Marc:How are they going to neuter it?
Marc:How are they going to take it out of context and make me look bad?
Guest:By putting the headline, we'd be lucky if Trump won.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But the fact of it is that I agreed to run as vice president if Kent Messplay, who's Jill Stein's major president.
Guest:contender there in the Green Party and they have their convention in August and if Kent Messplay gets the nomination over Jill Stein I've agreed to run as his vice president so I never really left I'm always leveraging I'm never going to give up on you know trying to build a third party for people
Marc:So you're actually, in a way, learning how to be a politician from the ground up.
Guest:Well, I want to affect their platform because they got a couple offensive things in their platform that'll keep them from winning.
Guest:And then they have a lot of really great things in their platform that should actually be in the Democrat platform.
Guest:So I'm going to keep pushing it until things get better.
Guest:I'm one of a few people who knows how to do it, and I'm going to continue to do it.
Marc:It's a growth process, education process.
Marc:And, you know, like I saw that in the movie that you were sort of getting better at, you know, showing up, doing the speeches.
Marc:You're working hard.
Guest:Well, actually, the whole time during the making this movie, we didn't put any of this in there.
Guest:But, you know, I live in Hawaii and I'm a farmer, you know, blah, blah.
Guest:And there's a lot of interesting farming stuff going on there in Hawaii.
Guest:And we forced them to have citizens' panels and community meetings, which they're trying to get rid of everywhere.
Guest:And we kicked Monsanto's ass off of the big island of Hawaii.
Guest:and um you know i i wrote a lot of those speeches that helped kick monsanto's ass out of there and they knew that they couldn't come back from it so i was um working my narrative and that is like as a comic you know this the narrative and the words and the power of words there's nothing else sure and i was really working it over there in hawaii during the making of this movie
Guest:But yeah, we did kick Monsanto.
Guest:They're banned off the big island of Hawaii because we want to grow decent food.
Guest:And food grows like, you know.
Marc:Overnight there.
Guest:Cows live in a pasture of food and so should people.
Guest:Food grows real easy.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:You don't have to have factory farm and all that shit.
Guest:You don't have to do it.
Guest:In fact, that's the opposite of it.
Guest:And then Monsanto went and sued the state of Hawaii because what's really at stake is they're trying to get rid of small government.
Marc:And small farms.
Guest:small government yeah they don't want that um they don't want the people having to say in what they grow right right right and it's all about that so i mean all these things still interest me and people say oh you should run for something in hawaii and then i'm like yeah i don't know but you also want to do show business
Guest:I got a lot of options and that's why I can't.
Marc:Right, well you look back at the Roseanne show and the fights that you fought for that and how that changed show business.
Marc:Do you have mostly pride about that?
Guest:I've totaled pride about it.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Because I worked really hard on it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And to make the argument once again, this is why I like politics is because of the Roseanne Show.
Guest:Right.
Guest:To make the argument that it was me and I convinced an entire gaggle of Republican and conservative television executives that introducing gay characters during the family hour was actually a smart thing and a good thing to do.
Guest:And that was very hard, and that took a toll on my nervous system.
Guest:But I did it, and I see it everywhere now, and a lot of things, too, on women characters and such.
Guest:So, yeah, I feel like I had a lot of victories.
Marc:Sure.
Marc:Did you meet Sandra at the Comedy Store?
Guest:Yeah, Sandra Bernhardt.
Marc:And how did Laurie Metcalf get the job in your show?
Guest:Laurie and John were in great Broadway plays and Carsey Warner wanted both of them and so they brought them in and we read together and that's how they got the jobs.
Guest:They were great.
Marc:Laurie's amazing.
Guest:She's scary great.
Marc:She did like the third, I think it's the third episode of Horace and Pete, you know, Louie's show is all Laurie Metcalf.
Marc:It's like 25 minutes of her doing this monologue.
Guest:I never saw that.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Guest:I got to see that.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Marc:It's one of the best things I've ever seen.
Guest:Louis C.K.?
Marc:Yes.
Marc:Oh.
Marc:He did a 10-episode thing that you can get online called Horace and Pete.
Marc:It's almost like a play.
Guest:I'll have to see it.
Marc:And she did this thing.
Marc:He wrote her this piece.
Marc:And it's literally all her talking about this struggle she's having with her sexual desire.
Guest:I heard that, yeah.
Guest:I heard that with her father-in-law.
Guest:Yeah, it was fucking amazing.
Marc:It's crazy, man.
Marc:I'm getting chills.
Guest:I was like, this is kind of an odd subject, but Christ, you can make anything great.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:So can John.
Guest:I mean, all the actors on that show were just great.
Marc:Yeah, he's amazing.
Guest:He's scary great, too.
Guest:Me and him used to watch her and go, oh, look at that.
Guest:And then me and her used to watch him and go, look at that.
Marc:Well, that scene you showed in just that little piece in the documentary, because like working with him gave you so much room to be yourself.
Guest:Yeah, he really wasn't.
Marc:Like the two of you when you're doing that, just that bit about, you know, getting the money.
Marc:How do we save money?
Marc:You know, what are you going to do?
Guest:That was from the pilot.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Guest:Yeah, I think we got way deeper than that over the years.
Marc:Oh, yeah, of course.
Guest:I mean, we really became Dan and Roseanne on some level.
Guest:We were all really our characters on some level when we'd work.
Guest:And John had this thing.
Guest:He'd always make up these circus games for us.
Guest:And it was like, you can't go out of the... If you walked off the set, that was the forbidden zone.
Guest:And then we'd get in too much trouble.
Guest:We had these other games we played for ourselves.
Guest:And it's like, she's going into the forbidden zone.
Yeah.
Guest:The lawyers are going to get her, get her back here and stuff like that.
Guest:But also we pretended that we were in a circus sideshow.
Guest:We had so much fun.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Do you keep in touch with him?
Guest:I say hi to everybody.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Do you feel like over the years that, you know, you have any enemies that never really balanced out?
Marc:Like, do you feel like there's people that you pissed off forever?
Marc:Sure.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:Shitloads of them.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But... That's just the way it is, right?
Guest:That's just how it goes, yeah.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Because, you know, if you're going to have an opinion and, you know...
Guest:Fight for what you want.
Guest:You want to own your own work.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:People are not going to, they don't like you for that.
Guest:That alone makes them hate your guts.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's like, you're supposed to take 10% of your work.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:We get the other.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's fucked up.
Guest:Show business sometimes.
Guest:What?
Marc:so what what would you like to be doing a lot of great comics dying broke every fucking day it's the fucking worst we have to do something about it yeah i don't know what to do i don't know either like some of them that like they didn't plan you know it's like you know like we got lucky i got lucky i was about to be one of them before i started this fucking thing in here like at least they got to get on health care jesus it's awful and they're all old and shit
Guest:i don't know what can you what can we do i don't know i gotta think about it okay what in show business wise you're gonna tour and what else do you got tv ideas you really want to do i have like a hundred ideas and my problem is i got too many options and no focus that's my problem yeah i know yeah i have that and then i'm like do i want to go to england and so i got like would i want to do something in england a show yeah why not shit yeah i would yeah
Guest:Then I'm like, oh, now what?
Guest:You can buy a castle about $200 over there now.
Guest:So I might go.
Marc:Get your castle.
Marc:Well, I love talking to you.
Marc:It's great to see you.
Guest:Love talking to you.
Guest:Great to see you.
Guest:Thank you so much.
Guest:Thank you.
Marc:I love her almost unconditionally.
Marc:I hope you enjoyed that.
Marc:You can always go to WTFPod.com.
Marc:Go to WTFPod.com slash tour.
Marc:I got dates coming up.
Marc:Phoenix coming up August 20th.
Marc:That's one night, two shows.
Marc:I'm going to be in Albuquerque on September 3rd at the Albuquerque Journal Theater.
Marc:I'm going to be in Rochester in September.
Marc:I'm going to be in...
Marc:I'm going to be at the Wilbur, September 24th.
Marc:That's in Boston.
Marc:College Street Music Hall in New Evan, Connecticut, the 25th of September.
Marc:I'll be at the Ridgefield Playhouse, October 13th.
Marc:That's in Ridgefield, Connecticut.
Marc:Troy Savings Bank Music Hall, Troy, New York, October 14th.
Marc:The Carolina Theater, November 17th in Durham.
Marc:The Knight Theater in Charlotte, November 18th.
Marc:I'll be at the James K. Polk Theater, November 19th in Nashville.
Marc:The Vic Theater, December 3rd.
Marc:That's in Chicago.
Marc:Great place.
Marc:Two shows and more dates forthcoming.
Marc:No guitar today.
Marc:I'm in a hotel room.
Marc:Boomer lives!
Boomer lives!