Episode 651 - Patricia Arquette
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Marc:Alright, let's do this.
Marc:How are you, what the fuckers?
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Marc:What the fucksters?
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Marc:I am Mark Maron.
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Marc:Perhaps, maybe you're skydiving.
Marc:I don't know.
Marc:I would not waste your time skydiving and listening to me, all right?
Marc:I feel like I'm falling most of the time, so maybe it'd be perfect.
Marc:I'm not sure.
Marc:Today on the show, Patricia Arquette, the actress, the amazing actress, the Oscar-winning actress for Boyhood.
Marc:Many of you, you know her because you fell in love with her in True Romance.
Marc:God, who didn't, man?
Marc:Who did not fall in love with Patricia Arquette in True Romance?
Marc:Seriously.
Marc:Alabama, right?
Marc:Alabama?
Marc:She's an amazing woman, and it was a real honor to talk to her.
Marc:She came over here, and of course, I...
Marc:I didn't know when it would happen, but it seems to happen that I get choked up when she talked about winning the Oscar, the surprise of it, the bodily sensation of hearing your name spoken in that context as the winner of the Academy Award for Best Actress.
Marc:I got choked up.
Marc:I'm looking forward to it.
Marc:Menopausal Mark is excited to be emoting as frequently as I am.
Marc:I got two sides, people.
Marc:I got the side that wants out and the side that keeps that guy in.
Marc:And I don't know when this battle is going to be over.
Marc:I imagine it goes on for a lifetime.
Marc:But, yeah, goddammit, I am sick of the guy that keeps the other guy in.
Marc:I just really need to...
Marc:Whew!
Marc:Gotta switch those roles.
Marc:Just this constant battle of the, you know, the defensive dude.
Marc:That's a pretty broad umbrella, though.
Marc:The defensive dude is also the dude that functions publicly and has a certain amount of social grace.
Marc:And he's also the guy that works as a comedian for the most part.
Marc:But that guy, they sort of work together when I'm doing the comedy.
Marc:But there is this emoting thing
Marc:that I don't know what it needs to do.
Marc:I don't know what that guy needs to, the one inside of me that's sensitive and scared and really wanting love and wanting to give love.
Marc:That guy, he's just, I just hope he doesn't give up in there.
Marc:I just really do.
Marc:Boy, sometimes the things I do to avoid feeling are pretty profound.
Marc:Yeah, but some of them are relaxing, but just the ability to just sit with it is difficult.
Marc:I mean, I'll be honest with you because I don't usually do this, but this is like the fourth time I've recorded this intro because I thought I sounded too fucking sad and there's no reason to be sad.
Marc:I mean, I don't know if it's sad.
Marc:It's just this weird, heavy heartedness.
Marc:It's a beautiful day.
Marc:It's finally fall in Los Angeles.
Marc:So it's a it's a nice 79, 82 degrees.
Marc:I miss seasons.
Marc:I think that's what it is, is that my heart is actually experiencing like an East Coast fall.
Marc:But my environment, it's just sort of like just a slight variation on the same dry, sunny.
Marc:And, you know, look, I know some of you are like, what are you complaining about sunny for?
Marc:Well, it gets a little weird sometimes.
Marc:I'd like a little rain.
Marc:I'd like a little more gray.
Marc:I'd like to be able to wear some of the new jackets I bought, bought a couple new jackets, and I'd like to be able to wear them.
Marc:And also that, you know, fall for me is it's sort of a nostalgic and heavy hearted time.
Marc:But I know when I'm overwhelmed, I know when I'm feeling too much because I I wake up aggravated.
Marc:I wake up about to snap and I start like all I want to do is get my mop out and Murphy oil.
Marc:So my deck.
Marc:which is empty, my sad, desolate deck with my newly stained picnic table out there and three old beat-up chairs that should have been thrown out, but we hit them with stain.
Marc:There's no layout or anything.
Marc:It's all just sitting out there randomly, like the set of an existentially oblique play that every time I go out there, I'm the main actor.
Marc:wandering around, and I'll go look at the table, and I'll be like, I should hit this with a little more stain.
Marc:I'll go look at the chairs, like, oh, these need a little more stain.
Marc:Then I'll sit in one, then I'll sit in the other, then I'll sit at the table, then I'll look at all the cactus, and then I'll fucking go about my day.
Marc:Maybe that's the movie.
Marc:I've had that conversation a few times.
Marc:We were just talking to somebody.
Marc:This is the movie.
Marc:This is it.
Marc:This is the show.
Marc:No, it's not.
Marc:It's a couple of people whining about things.
Marc:No, this is it.
Marc:This is the show.
Marc:It's just me on my deck with the chairs.
Marc:That's the show.
Marc:That's the show.
Marc:But I'm glad this is the fourth time I did it because I'm coming upon the same, about to hit the same place I hit the other four times.
Marc:You know, I watched a movie last night.
Marc:The screeners are coming.
Marc:And I watched 99 Homes.
Marc:Amazing performances by Michael Shannon, Andrew Garfield, Laura Dern's in it.
Marc:The kid's good.
Marc:But Jesus, what a dark movie, man.
Marc:It's about the foreclosures on homes and the guys that made a business out of foreclosed homes and evicting people from homes and that whole real estate clusterfuck debacle that killed a lot of people's lives.
Marc:It's about a compromise of the soul, about a selling of the soul, about a soulless motherfucker and a kid who rationalizes the compromise of his soul.
Marc:Yeah, man, it was engrossing.
Marc:It was so fucking engrossing, I woke up feeling guilty and dark.
Marc:There's a hell of a pitch for a movie.
Marc:It's so dark and troubling that you wake up dark and troubled.
Marc:I get nothing for plugging this.
Marc:It just might be why I'm feeling the way I am today.
Marc:Look, folks, we're getting ready for the Warren Michaels episode.
Marc:And it's been great for me to play these clips of people from the past.
Marc:I had a great talk with Mike Myers last year.
Marc:And Mike Myers is a guy that's been he's been rumored or reported to be difficult to work with from time to time.
Marc:And we talk a little bit about that.
Marc:But but it's interesting to hear from a guy who's very protective of his own work and hear what what he had to say about Lorne Michaels.
Marc:This is from episode 518 with Mike Myers.
Guest:I got a call and somebody says, is this Mike Myers?
Guest:And I thought, oh, I was in Chicago.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I said, yeah.
Guest:And I thought it was like immigration or something.
Guest:Even though my papers are always fine.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And they said, will you hold for Lorne Michaels?
Guest:And I thought, oh, this is Paul.
Guest:Fantastic.
Guest:Paul Mike.
Guest:And he's like, is this Mike?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, Lauren.
Guest:Listen, I'm hearing things about you that are good.
Guest:And I'm like, what the hell?
I'm like, what?
Guest:I was by myself and nobody did it.
Guest:Like, what?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Would you be interested in being on Saturday Night Live?
Guest:I was like...
Guest:Yes.
Yeah.
Guest:So you come down to New York.
Guest:How long after the phone call?
Guest:So after the phone call, three weeks later, I go down to New York City.
Guest:I'd never been in New York City.
Guest:I go over the bridge and it makes me cry, the 59th Street Bridge, because I love New York.
Guest:I love London.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I'd always loved New York, but I had said to myself, I'm not going to go to New York unless I'm invited for something.
Guest:So this was it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I got invited for something.
Guest:Right, right, right.
Guest:Go over that bridge.
Guest:It was magical.
Guest:You just can't believe it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The only other place that I've approached that's made me cry is Venice.
Guest:I still can't believe it.
Guest:It's so beautiful.
Guest:I got to see that.
Guest:It's fantastic.
Guest:So you go to 30 Rock.
Guest:And I was supposed to have a meeting with him at 1 o'clock.
Guest:i don't actually get in to see him till one o'clock in the morning so i'm that i had three full meals and you know yeah and i just waited and i just go all right am i am i gonna see him today oh yeah yeah you definitely see him and i come in and uh loran is sitting at his desk and
Guest:The window behind him is of the Empire State Building, which I've never seen.
Guest:At night?
Guest:At night.
Guest:And he's talking, and it's Lorne Michaels.
Guest:I did a project on him in grade eight of famous Canadians, and I'm just not believing.
Guest:So I walk in, and there's two chairs, and he said, have a seat.
Guest:And I said, which one?
Guest:And he goes, which one do you think?
Guest:And I said, which is the one that's going to get me hired?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he laughed, and the other producer was like, oh, God.
Guest:He likes me, he don't like me.
Guest:I just felt the... Who was the other guy?
Guest:Jim Downey, who I'm now fantastically in love with.
Guest:Was he the head writer then?
Guest:Yeah, he was the head writer.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:When I first got hired, I didn't get an office.
Guest:So my office was, I was cross-legged on my coat by the elevator bank.
Guest:And he would come in and he'd say, can I help you?
Guest:I'd say, yeah, I'm on the show.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Don't have an office?
Guest:No.
Guest:Should get one.
Guest:I'd like one.
Guest:Should ask.
Guest:Who would I ask?
Guest:Someone will get you an office.
Guest:Just don't hang out by the elevator bank.
Guest:It's weird.
Guest:So I'd go, okay.
Guest:And I'd say, Lauren says I should get an office.
Guest:And he goes, no, no, there's no offices.
Guest:And so he kept running into me.
Guest:He goes, do you?
Guest:do you have a security badge so you should keep it out i i guess it was a bit but i thought he knew i knew who i was until the third show and i did wayne's world and your relationship with lauren did it get more uh candid more intimate i mean as you started to earn well i i have such respect for lauren like truly truly is a canadian hero this is a man who
Guest:I guess it's how I was brought up, but he's my boss.
Guest:And that's how I feel about the audience, by the way.
Guest:They're my boss.
Guest:They pay my bills, and they are kind enough to come see what I do.
Guest:And if I'm out...
Guest:and they want to come up and take a photograph you have to be nice to your boss sure and so yeah absolutely of course and you still have a relationship with lauren yeah fantastic i have i have dinner with him every two months really he's so when lauren had kids he turned into everybody's grandfather uh-huh and and he was really on me to have kids it was this big thing he goes you know it's all good you won't regret one moment of it
Guest:It's all great.
Guest:And he had one when he was like 60, right?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I had a kid when I was 48, my first one.
Guest:And then I just had one in April.
Guest:So it's amazing.
Guest:It's fantastic, dude.
Marc:A Canadian hero.
Marc:There you go.
Marc:That's a pretty ringing endorsement right there.
Marc:You don't have to wait much longer.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:I promise you, you're going to hear the interview with Lauren very soon.
Marc:Patricia Arquette, it was great talking to her.
Marc:It was interesting to get the hang of talking to her.
Marc:She came over with her boyfriend who's a painter.
Marc:We had a little discussion about art, kind of warmed up a little in the house and we got out here and I was like, all right.
Marc:Here we go.
Marc:But she's great, and she's an amazing woman, and it was great to talk to her.
Marc:She's got a show.
Marc:What is it?
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:I know what her show is.
Marc:It's CSI Cyber.
Marc:It's on Sundays at 10 p.m., 9 central on CBS.
Marc:So let's talk to her.
Marc:Let's talk to Patricia Arquette now.
Guest:Patricia Arquette
Marc:Well, I appreciate you coming.
Marc:I know that... Did Richard Winkler say something about it to you?
Marc:He did this show.
Guest:Oh, he did.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And I'd like to feel like he referred you to the show.
Marc:Did he not...
Guest:Actually, my boyfriend, Eric White.
Marc:Oh, yeah?
Marc:Is he a painter?
Guest:Yeah, he's a painter.
Marc:Yeah?
Marc:He's a fan of the show?
Guest:A big fan.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:So now the pressure's on.
Guest:That's right.
Guest:You better deliver, man.
Marc:You better deliver.
Guest:Why is it on me?
Marc:I got to ask you a weird question about, I grew up in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Marc:And there was a family of Arquettes that were my neighbors.
Marc:Are you related?
Marc:Do you have any cousins in Albuquerque?
Guest:Do you remember some of their names?
Marc:Sure.
Marc:I think the mother is a children's book or a teen novel writer.
Marc:Her name's Lois Duncan.
Marc:And the sons were like Brett Arquette, Donnie Arquette.
Marc:And Brett Arquette's actually some sort of mystery book writer.
Guest:Oh, wow.
Guest:How interesting.
Marc:I know.
Marc:I've been wondering for years because you don't know.
Guest:I don't know, but I think my grandfather had a brother who was a prolific breeder across America.
Guest:So all of a sudden I'll hear, hey, I'm your second cousin.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:Charisma Arquette.
Guest:And I don't know.
Guest:I think he spread his seed.
Marc:this would be which like your grandfather's brother you're right you like come from like this show business family yeah it's crazy we're fourth generation actors fourth generation showbiz that's so your brother your grandfather's brother that would be which what's your grandfather's name cliff arquette cliff arquette i didn't know until yesterday that he was charlie weaver
Guest:Yeah, that's right.
Marc:That's crazy.
Guest:Yeah, he was a comedian, and he was in early radio, live radio.
Marc:Hollywood Squares.
Guest:And then he came out of retirement.
Guest:He actually retired.
Guest:He was on Glamour Manor, and he did all these live radio shows with, like, Mel Blanc and all these people.
Guest:And then he was Slap Happy Grandpappy, all these characters.
Guest:And then he had retired, and then Jack Parr...
Guest:yeah on the original tonight show right yeah said you know what i really miss this guy used to make me laugh a lot charlie weaver yeah and then he was watching you know tv that night your grandfather yeah so he came out of retirement then he had this second career in tv with hollywood square he was like uh he was like paul lind was the center square
Guest:Which doesn't get better than that.
Marc:Never.
Marc:And then your grandfather was like in the corner somewhere, but he's always quick and funny and had his little hat on.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:His pork pie hat.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And is that the guy you grew up with?
Marc:Was he that sweet a guy?
Marc:Did you have a relationship with that guy?
No.
Guest:Well, at one point, we lived in a hippie commune in Virginia, and he'd had a heart attack and a stroke, I think, and Pearl Bailey was a good friend of his, and for a while, she nursed him, and then he came to live with us in the hippie commune.
Guest:He wasn't very verbal at that time, but...
Marc:Because he'd had a stroke?
Marc:Mm-hmm.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Oh.
Marc:No, wait.
Marc:Okay, so can we get to the hippie commune?
Marc:How does that happen?
Guest:How does that happen?
Marc:Where were you born?
Guest:So I was born in Chicago.
Guest:My dad was an actor.
Guest:My mom was...
Guest:somewhat an actress, but really wanted to be a poet, and they were in the beat scene.
Guest:In New York.
Guest:Yeah, and then they learned about this spiritual brotherhood, and they went to a conference, which was in Virginia, and when they were there, they said, well, why are we leaving?
Guest:This is so cool.
Guest:Why don't we raise our kids in nature with people where we could talk about religion and God, and we're political lefties, and let's hang out here, and...
Guest:But it didn't really work out that way.
Guest:My dad said, you know, you bring the seeds of society with you.
Guest:So you think this is all a great concept, and then suddenly you realize, oh, that dude has a real anger management problem, and this person's an alcoholic, and that other thing, and this person's greedy, and oh, what are we doing here?
Marc:Right.
Marc:So basically, he realized that people that would seek to live on a commune in the spiritual community were fucked up.
Guest:No, I think basically what he learned is human beings are the way they are.
Marc:Right.
Guest:And it's just a microcosm of the same thing.
Guest:And you might as well deal with changing society on a larger scale than just being isolated in it.
Marc:Can't run from it.
Guest:Can't run from it.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And then you went to Chicago?
Guest:Well, they went to Chicago first.
Guest:They were kind of wandering around a lot.
Guest:My dad was in Second City, and they had me there.
Guest:Then we lived in the commune.
Guest:Then we moved back to Chicago.
Guest:Then we moved to L.A.
Marc:He was in Second City as an improv performer and actor?
Guest:Yeah, we grew up with improv.
Guest:My dad worked a lot with Viola Spolin.
Guest:He was in the Broadway cast of Story Theater with Paul Sills.
Marc:Yeah.
Yeah.
Marc:And so you were going to theater and show, like, your whole life.
Marc:You were just sort of, like, in it.
Guest:Well, we were so poor when we lived in the hippie commune.
Guest:But a couple times we got to see movies.
Guest:We saw Dumbo.
Marc:We saw... Were you all dressed in rags and playing in puddles and stuff?
Guest:Well, we were, like, hippies.
Guest:Yeah, we were playing in puddles.
Guest:We saw...
Guest:Fiddler on the Roof.
Guest:So then for a month, we played Fiddler on the Roof.
Guest:We played the village of Anatefka, like, okay, I'm the washerwoman, and now I have the baby, and now we're going over to the cobbler's house.
Marc:On the commune, just as kids, that was the fun, playing Fiddler.
Guest:Yeah, and we would also do story theater games and improvisational games, and my first acting thing was, I was five or six, and we did a little...
Marc:henny penny show at the philadelphia folk festival yeah so how now are you you're not the oldest no i'm in the middle and there's five of you so all five kids were on the hippie commune just running around doing fiddler on the roof and your parents were there and then and then your grandfather ill comes to live with you there yeah and how long was the whole adventure there
Guest:I think it was four years.
Guest:It was very pivotal four years, yeah.
Marc:For everybody.
Guest:Yeah, for everybody.
Marc:And then your parents just kind of ran back to society.
Guest:Well, no, what happened was, I mean, they would keep a portion of the money they raised and then contribute a bunch of it back into the community.
Marc:Was there a religion to it?
Guest:No, because there was multiple religions.
Guest:My mom was Jewish.
Guest:My dad grew up as a lay Christian.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then he converted.
Guest:He was supposed to go convert to Judaism.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But he got lost in Virginia, and he ended up at a mosque and converted to Islam.
Guest:Right.
Guest:So my dad was Muslim.
Guest:My mom was Jewish.
Guest:I went to Catholic school.
Guest:What?
Marc:So the agreement with your parents was that your dad would eventually convert to Judaism.
Guest:Exactly.
Guest:But he got lost.
Guest:And when he came home, he said, I actually converted to Islam today.
Guest:She was like, oh, my God, what is going on?
Marc:Was that a practice he held to?
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Guest:He went to Mecca.
Guest:And, yeah, he did the Hajj.
Marc:Oh, my God.
Guest:Yeah, and we grew up kind of...
Guest:Looking at all religions, I mean, they both believed there was only one God.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And that there was, you know, different paths to this, you know.
Marc:It's kind of the same God, isn't it?
Guest:I think so, yeah.
Guest:And I do believe, yeah.
Marc:How Jewish was your mom?
Guest:Pretty religious?
Guest:Well, she grew up pretty Jewish, but also she'd broken so many laws just by not marrying a Jew.
Guest:You know, her parents, she went to college at 16.
Guest:She was really brilliant, but they really said, all right, we're buying you these clothes.
Guest:You have one year to find a husband.
Right.
Guest:It wasn't about your education.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:Really?
Marc:That's interesting because usually it is sort of about the education.
Guest:But in those days it wasn't.
Guest:College was just about finding a better husband.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And she found her dad, an actor, a non-Jewish actor.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:It was a big, big upset.
Marc:Did they disown her or anything?
Guest:They were very mad, I'll say that.
Guest:I don't think they had two nickels to disown anyone.
Guest:But they were upset.
Marc:And you went to Catholic school.
Guest:And I went to Catholic school, yeah.
Guest:I wanted to be a nun.
Marc:Really?
Marc:I mean, for reals?
Guest:For real.
Guest:Yeah, and we grew up doing Ramadan and all this stuff, fasting, and yeah.
Marc:And you were the Catholic one?
Guest:I was the Catholic one, yeah.
Guest:My brother went and lived in Thailand for a while.
Guest:He was, for a while, the Buddhist one.
Marc:Oh, he was Buddhist?
Guest:For a bit.
Marc:Did anyone end up Jewish?
Guest:My brother, the Buddhist one, he got his... Which brother?
Guest:Richmond.
Guest:I mean, I think we're all of them.
Marc:You know, theoretically, by Jewish law, you're all Jewish.
Guest:I know.
Marc:This is not new news to me.
Marc:But none of you are leaning on that, really.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I can't deal with politics, the politics of religion.
Guest:Of being Jewish?
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:No, of all religions.
Marc:Right, right, right.
Marc:So out of all this chaos, how the hell do you all end up in California?
Guest:So my dad, since he was an actor at a certain point, just went to where the work was.
Guest:So we moved to California.
Marc:When did he start working for reels?
Guest:He was always working.
Guest:Even in Chicago, there was a lot of work.
Guest:There was theater, there was comedy, there was different kinds of commercials and things.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Because he was in everything.
Marc:He was a big TV character actor.
Guest:Yeah, he worked a lot.
Guest:He worked all the time, yeah.
Marc:He was on the Waltons?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:He lived a while, right?
Marc:When did he pass?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:It was a long time ago.
Guest:I don't like to memorize death dates.
Marc:No, no, I can understand that.
Guest:My sister always calls me.
Guest:She's always like, you know, in four days, mom died 15 years ago.
Guest:I'm like, why do you always remind me?
Guest:Why?
Guest:I don't want to remember that.
Marc:But he was like, didn't he do some Christopher Guest movies too?
Guest:He did.
Guest:He did Waiting for Guffman.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:So when you were a kid, because all of you are kind of in show business, right?
Guest:We all are.
Guest:Yeah, we all are.
Marc:Richmond is too?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And how does that, like when you were growing up, where did you live?
Marc:Did you live in the Valley?
Guest:Hollywood.
Marc:Right in Hollywood, where you still live now?
Marc:You're not in the same house.
Guest:No, but I'm close.
Guest:It's dingy old, when we grew up, you know, the Hollywood of the 70s was a real dingy little dirty place and criminal.
Marc:Do you remember like Sunset Boulevard and shit from when you were a kid?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:I used to ditch school and hang out on Hollywood Boulevard at the Loves.
Guest:Me and my best friend would smoke cigarettes, chain smoke.
Guest:We were 12.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What's Loves?
Guest:What was it?
Guest:Loves was a steakhouse.
Guest:We would just have coffee all day and smoke cigarettes.
Guest:Sure.
Guest:And we would talk to these little street hustlers.
Marc:Because that was a cool thing to do, right?
Yeah.
Guest:Yeah, like little child prostitutes that were working Sunset Boulevard.
Guest:It was bizarre.
Marc:And do you ever, because in my mind it was just like weird kind of like frenetic rock and roll drug chaos.
Marc:Like that whole block, the whole stretch of Sunset.
Guest:Oh, Sunset, yeah, yeah.
Guest:But Hollywood Boulevard was a little different.
Guest:But then Hollywood, you know, what's that guitar school that came there?
Guest:G.I.T.
?
Marc:I'm not sure.
Guest:Well, then when that opened up in the early 80s, then you had all those long-haired rock guys walking around with basses slung over their backs.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:But before that, it was even dirtier.
Marc:And when did you guys, who was the first one to start acting out of the crew?
Guest:Of the kids?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Rosanna.
Marc:Yeah?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And how did you all get into the business?
Guest:So she started acting and she started doing well.
Guest:I was really torn because part of me wanted to be an actor.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:But I didn't know if I'd be good at it and I felt sort of shy.
Guest:But the other part of me wanted to be a midwife and I didn't know which direction to go.
Guest:But I didn't want to turn away from acting just from fear.
Marc:So the nun thing passed, though.
Guest:Well, the nun thing passed because of a very sad tale.
Guest:The nun thing passed because I was number one in my catechism class and I was about to get my first communion.
Guest:And they called my house and they said, is your mom there?
Guest:And I said, no, is everything okay?
Guest:They said, well, we can't give you your first communion tomorrow.
Guest:And I said, why?
Guest:They said, well, because your mom's Jewish and we can't.
Guest:And I said...
Guest:Well, it's okay.
Guest:They said, no one will be able to take you to church.
Guest:I said, I walk to school anyway.
Guest:I'll walk to church.
Guest:And they said, well, we can't because your mom's Jewish and she's going to hell.
Guest:So I was like, I said, well, I don't, I guess maybe I do think of a different religion than you.
Guest:Maybe you're right.
Guest:And then when I was hanging up, I said, oh, and Jesus was Jewish.
Guest:And I hung up.
Marc:You showed them.
Guest:Well, I was right.
Guest:You were right.
Guest:It's true.
Marc:I don't understand how, so you, your dad's Muslim, your mom's Jewish.
Marc:I know it's all religions, but they just let you be Catholic?
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Marc:They're like, you're at school, so you're learning to be Catholic?
Guest:No, to them, they said, you know, religion is a very personal thing.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:There's only one God, and that is the most beautiful thing on earth.
Guest:And so you get to decide for yourself what is your religion.
Guest:You get to decide for yourself the life you want to live.
Marc:And you're 12 or 11?
Marc:All of our lives.
Marc:Uh-huh.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And you just chose Catholicism because you were in a Catholic school.
Guest:I mean, in a weird way, even though there's all these different rules and these religions have different sins and so on, in a way, you could say that's probably one of the greatest sins is dictating to someone else.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:what their personal love of God should be.
Marc:Well, yeah, I think it's a control thing usually.
Guest:And fear, I guess.
Marc:Yeah, right, to keep people in the tribe of one kind or another.
Marc:Do you still have faith?
Guest:I do have faith, yeah.
Marc:Yeah?
Marc:You've got a good sense of God at this point in your life?
Guest:Yeah, I mean, when I wanted to be a nun, I had that sort of ecstatic love, that real kind of being in love with God and Jesus and this concept of, and I still feel really close to Jesus' teachings, not the church that necessarily surrounds it.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Did you explore like Buddhism and other stuff too?
Yeah.
Guest:A little bit, but I never felt that same kind of thing to me.
Guest:Jesus was a real radical.
Guest:Oh, so you just, you like the whole... Nonconformist, radical, question authority.
Guest:Also, I look at Jesus like a feminist.
Guest:He was a really early feminist at a time where they were stoning women to death.
Guest:Like, on one hand, he had this archetype of a virgin, right?
Guest:His mother.
Guest:On the other hand, he had a prostitute.
Guest:Another Mary.
Guest:Two Marys.
Guest:Like, symbolically, the same name.
Guest:Two different sides of women.
Guest:One being completely...
Guest:non-sexual or rejecting sexuality and the other having experienced sexuality but to say cast the first stone or you can't live in glass houses when you're talking about female sexuality at that time is seriously radical and then also the concept to me of baptism it's like the mikvah
Guest:So I think it's really interesting.
Marc:It's all connected.
Marc:Yeah, I guess that's true, isn't it?
Marc:You're sort of a feminist.
Marc:I never hear that much.
Marc:You don't hear that Jesus being championed as a feminist that often.
Guest:But also because I think also his openness to feeling and empathy and vulnerability and fear and sadness and, you know, it's not like I'm going to raise my sword and chop everyone's head off or, you know,
Guest:kill your child on top of the mountain if you love me it's like uh a real human suffering and concern for human the human condition and so the midwife thing that was an actual thing too you were going to be i didn't do that yet oh yeah don't give up on me yet gonna be a doula is that the same thing yeah maybe yeah have you delivered any babies
Guest:No, I've been at a lot of births.
Guest:Yeah, I delivered my own babies.
Guest:The last one with no painkillers at home.
Marc:Really?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Like in the bathtub or no?
Guest:You know, I really had this great idea about the bathtub, but it wasn't all it was cracked up to be.
Guest:I actually hated being in the water.
Marc:So that was what was recommended and you were going to do it that way?
Guest:No, I read all about it and I kind of bought into that party line.
Guest:But when I was in it, I was having back labor.
Guest:So the last thing you want is kind of this hard tub on your back.
Marc:Right.
Marc:Back labor.
Marc:That's just what does that mean?
Marc:I don't know.
Guest:It means the baby's head is sort of pushing against the back of your spine.
Guest:How old is this child now?
Guest:She's 12.
Marc:oh yeah but so i i've only talked about childbirth one other time really with um well i mean i don't have any children but uh uh lake bell went deeply into her childbirth oh my god and she just had it and she she came in here like her boobs were leaking it was very exciting
Guest:That's exciting, let's face it.
Marc:Oh no, she just told it all, and it was very exciting, very graphic, and she had a pretty good attitude about it.
Guest:Right, yeah, wow.
Guest:You have two kids?
Guest:Well, that's intense.
Guest:Yeah, I have two.
Marc:One's older, though.
Guest:Yeah, my son's older.
Marc:Like, how old?
Guest:He's 26.
Marc:What's he up to?
Guest:He is a really cool guy.
Marc:Yeah?
Guest:He went to SFAI.
Guest:It's an art school in San Francisco.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So he paints.
Guest:He does photography.
Guest:And he's just a really cool person.
Marc:And you guys get along?
Guest:Yeah, I love him.
Marc:That's so, it's pretty insane, right, to have two, almost two different lives with your children.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:All right, so you decide midwife you're going to put on hold and be an actress.
Guest:Well, okay, so here we came down to, it all came down to fear.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I was like, I want to do these two things, but one I'm really afraid of failing at.
Marc:Which is?
Guest:Acting.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And I'm afraid of being bad at it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So you've never done it before.
Guest:Ridicule and all of that.
Guest:Not publicly.
Mm-hmm.
Guest:But I said, more than being an actress or being a midwife, I want to be brave.
Guest:So that's my job.
Guest:For the next year, between 18 and 19, I will be willing to fail every day at acting.
Guest:Because every day that I fail and then I still show up and try the next day, then I'm getting my real need met, which is to be brave.
Yeah.
Marc:And was this in, were you training?
Marc:Did you take classes?
Guest:I was studying.
Guest:My sister Rosanna was paying for my acting classes as a gift, and I was... Who were you studying with?
Guest:Milton Katsoulas.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:I've heard of that guy.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:He's like one of the big guys, right?
Yeah.
Guest:He's pretty big.
Guest:I mean, I started with Cal Bartlett, which was his beginner's class.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He was a really good teacher, I think.
Guest:I studied with different people.
Guest:I studied with Larry Moss and Julie Areola.
Marc:Do you remember, because when I talk to actors, I don't talk to a lot of them, do you remember what elements of learning that you sort of keep with you?
Marc:Because from what I gather from talking to actors, you kind of cobble together your own craft.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:in a way, to do what you do.
Marc:Are they things you do every time you take a role on?
Guest:Well, my biggest teacher was this guy named Roy London who was a really interesting teacher.
Guest:And he would say to me, you know, most directors you're going to work with are men and they're not going to understand you.
Guest:But what they really don't understand about women is your interior emotional life.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:So if you make a choice in a scene and the director tries to dissuade you.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:Say the scene is, you know, you're playing a woman whose child gets hit by a car and they're like, yeah, I don't think that choice is the greatest.
Guest:Then you just say, but when my kid got hit by a car, this is exactly what I am doing.
Guest:He was like, you manipulate everyone.
Guest:And I had my nun brain and I was just like, I cannot lie.
Guest:I cannot do that.
Guest:But he was a really, he pushed me to be more brave and to trust my instincts.
Guest:And then when I worked with Tony Scott, he really, every single idea I had, when we did true amounts, he was so supportive of every single idea I had.
Marc:yeah he was uh that's that movie is um a classic people love that movie like i i actually dated a woman who was like just coincidentally i have a copy that that blu-ray knew she's like oh that's my favorite movie i watch that every year oh it's so sweet it's a hell of a movie yeah yeah it was really fun making that movie too you remember it pretty well yeah and was it but that wasn't your first big movie
Guest:I'd done Nightmare on Elm Street Part 3.
Marc:Ah, that's classic.
Guest:I'm a dream warrior, just in case.
Marc:Was that the first one?
Marc:Was that your first movie?
Guest:No, it was the third one.
Guest:No, it wasn't my first movie.
Guest:My first movie was called Pretty Smart, and it was a total disaster.
Guest:In fact, it was such a disaster working on it.
Guest:When I came back, I said to my sister, I don't think this acting thing is for me.
Guest:Why?
Guest:What happened?
Guest:It was right after Chernobyl.
Guest:I was a vegetarian.
Guest:We shot it in Greece.
Guest:I didn't know there were rules about lunch, so they would bring in our lunch.
Guest:We'd work through lunch every day.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And they brought in, like, meat with fur on it and maggots were crawling out of it.
Marc:What?
Marc:Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Marc:Really?
Guest:For real.
Guest:I'm not kidding.
Guest:We had to, like, wash our own wardrobe and figure out continuity, and I...
Guest:i don't know some producer's girlfriend was on coke and punched this tiny other producer welcome to show business yeah with a fake nail through her cheek it was just craziness oh my god there were all these girls taking off their clothes in certain scenes and they were paying to be in the movie i don't know there was so much insanity going on and that is this movie seeable
Guest:Yeah, I mean, it actually exists on Earth, yeah.
Guest:It's not a very good movie.
Marc:It sounds like it was a little chaotic, production-wise.
Guest:It was so chaotic.
Marc:You were in charge of your own continuity?
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Sometimes you have to be as an actor, though, right?
Marc:Sometimes you've got to remember what you were doing, but they were literally like, what were you doing?
Guest:And I've worked on a lot of low-budget movies in New Mexico.
Guest:In fact, I remember driving the wardrobe slash makeup slash my dressing room RV.
Guest:I was driving the RV while we were shooting it.
Guest:Yeah, that was a good old days.
Guest:What movie was that?
Guest:That was called Time Out, which was a Danish-American production.
Marc:You were driving the RV?
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So what had Rosanna done that she was doing so well and that you were at that point?
Marc:What had she already done by then?
Marc:After hours?
Guest:I don't think it was because she was very young.
Guest:She was doing TV stuff.
Guest:She did a TV series called Shirley and James at 16.
Guest:Oh, James at 16.
Guest:She'd done a bunch of things.
Guest:Zuma Beach and a bunch of movies of the week.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:James at 16, was that an after-school special or was that a series?
Guest:No, it was a series, yeah.
Marc:All right, so you tell her, like, I'm not up for this.
Marc:This is bad.
Guest:Yeah, and she goes, when I told her all the stories, she goes, oh, no, honey, that's not how it usually is.
Guest:You've got to...
Marc:soldier on yeah and then um so you did a few movies before uh you did a lot of movies before i'm now looking at the movies you did before true romance there was quite a few before that one huh yeah and was how how'd your was your was your dad into the fact that you're all acting
Guest:No, my mom was really bummed about it because she and my principal in my school thought I could be a lawyer because I had this interest in medicine that I could be a doctor.
Guest:And she saw how difficult it was to make a living as an actor.
Marc:Did your parents stay married?
Guest:They had a very tumultuous marriage.
Guest:Yeah, they did stay married.
Marc:All the way through?
Guest:Yeah, but they were separated for a while, and they had a lot of drama, but they really loved each other.
Marc:It came back around?
Guest:It did, yeah.
Marc:Isn't it crazy?
Marc:Isn't love crazy?
Guest:Love is really crazy sometimes.
Marc:I mean, don't you see people where you just make assumptions like, why can't it just be like those people?
Marc:And they're just walking down the street not doing anything.
Marc:Like, why am I so crazy?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:I think also really, sometimes it really is finding the right fit of the right person.
Marc:Right.
Marc:And I think it's different as you get older.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Right.
Marc:You let certain things go like you don't need the same shit.
Guest:Thank God you let some of those things go.
Guest:It's so stupid.
Guest:I mean, we have this youth oriented culture, but I would never go back to being 25.
Guest:My mind, the brain and all the things I went through, I wouldn't go through that again.
Marc:how do you how do you frame it now when you look it back at your like because i was a i was a pretty angry man for a lot of years and i and i feel a certain amount of shame about it you know like sort of like i'm glad i don't have to do that like you make different choices for yourself i mean that's really what happens right you get exhausted
Guest:Yeah, sometimes that anger will just beat the shit out of you until you get to the other side and you're like, surrender.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Oh, it's such a relief to not carry that around anymore.
Guest:I didn't have that angry thing, but I definitely had a desire to fix broken things.
Guest:ah did you grow up in k like chaos yeah like because that's like and they say kids that grow up in chaos do uh gravitate to christianity because there's rules there's 10 commandments there's all of these rules if you do this that happens you do this that happens yeah well that makes sense because that's what was there booze was someone boozy
Guest:My dad was boozy.
Guest:He got sober, though.
Marc:Oh, yeah?
Guest:Yeah, eventually, yeah.
Marc:Because that's like the boozy offspring thing.
Marc:Either you become a boozer or you become like the control person.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Well, you're kind of lucky then if you didn't become the boozer.
Guest:I mean, yeah, I guess so.
Guest:It has its own challenges, though.
Marc:Yeah?
Guest:The world of the codependent.
Marc:Right?
Marc:So you've done some research on that?
Yeah.
Marc:i've done some personal research i have yeah it's i didn't realize that uh like i was always the the boozer sort and i wasn't introduced to my codependency till much later like just a few years ago and i was like a lot of times you're double winners like that i'm definitely a double winner because i'm like sober like 16 years and then like i got into this relationship and i'm like what is fine
Guest:gonna happen like everyone around me was like what are you doing i'm like no it's gonna she's gonna you know come around like what some people in aa um they say if they're double winners and they're also end up going into elanon or whatever they say wow elanon's like the graduate right exactly oh my god it's so much more now you have nothing and insidious and hard to see and it is man
Marc:It really is, especially when you're the other side.
Marc:When you get sober, they're sort of like the two teams.
Marc:We've caused their problems.
Marc:We are their problem, but we have the problem.
Marc:And then when it really happens to you, it's leveling to wake up and realize you're in a codependent bottom or nightmare.
Marc:It's just leveling.
Guest:also just the the chaos that comes with active disease it's like there is no controlling it and the more you try to control it the worse it gets and especially when it's a person oh it's just a horror show we had some pretty public weird relationships right i mean like that the nicholas cage thing that was quick and weird
Guest:Well, I don't know.
Guest:Is it quick?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I mean, we knew each other since I was 17, so... From acting?
Guest:No, we dated when I was younger.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Or 19.
Guest:But the weird thing is, like...
Guest:To the world, they see that relationship as like some actors who were celebrities who dated.
Guest:But to me, it's somebody I really loved and dated.
Guest:And it feels like a weird invasion.
Guest:the focus from the world.
Marc:I can't imagine it.
Marc:I don't know, it's bizarre to me that the assumptions the public, and myself guilty of it too at different points, makes about the lives of people
Marc:who become public like because you know people are just people really and most people i've met no matter what level of celebrity they are you know they just like you know they've got to do what everyone else does on some level i mean like people talking about justin bieber selena gomez like wait newsflash these are like 20 year old people yeah who are doing the best they can to have any kind of relationship right oh is it
Guest:are they not marriage material are they not having making the perfect choices right okay they're 20 years old and also they're insulated by god you know by all that money and the people that you know operate them and i don't know how they have lives at all and fame is a very weird i look at it like a circus mirror yeah that you're projecting back on people they're looking at you but really they're looking at this distorted concept of themselves sometimes
Guest:they're like hey i need your autograph and and you're in the middle of working or your kids on the phone with you're like just a second i said you know i fuck you or whatever it's like okay somehow that triggered and then they're feeling of rejection or less than meanwhile your kid is at school and they forgot their lunch or whatever right you're dealing with life
Guest:Yeah, you're just like, buddy, I'm doing the best I can here.
Guest:I didn't mean to poke you in the eye with some deep injury.
Marc:Yeah, didn't mean to reopen your wound, but it's not my fault.
Guest:Yeah, I mean, sometimes people project a lot of stuff on you.
Guest:Or if you're my friend, that means I'm more valuable in the world.
Guest:Or I have to talk to you.
Guest:We have to hang out.
Guest:It's like...
Guest:It means so many different things to people.
Marc:And they're not even seeing you next.
Guest:Exactly.
Marc:It's a whole different level of objectification.
Marc:You deal with like there's a standard sort of idea of women being objectified.
Marc:But if you're a celebrity and a woman, then it's like it's twice because celebrities are already objectified.
Guest:It's just being like some weird walking distortion.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:But now, like, I think selfies have made it a little easier.
Marc:Then you don't have to have a pen and a piece of paper.
Marc:Just some person will come up like, can I do a selfie?
Marc:It's like quick.
Guest:People are usually awesome, and I'm not complaining about people saying hi.
Guest:I'm just saying sometimes you feel a weird extra thing, and you're like, this isn't really about this moment right now.
Guest:This is about a whole lot of other stuff.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:Okay, so you do a lot of movies.
Marc:What was the first movie that you did?
Marc:Where you were like, you know, you worked with a director or other actors where you really felt like, you know, you had done something amazing.
Marc:Was it True Romance?
Guest:Maybe The Indian Runner.
Marc:Oh, right.
Guest:Sean Penn directed it and Viggo Mortensen was in it.
Marc:Was that the one with Charlie Bronson in it as the father?
Guest:And my son's in that movie.
Guest:Really?
Guest:Yeah, he's the little boy Raphael.
Guest:Yeah, he was.
Marc:That was a pretty intense movie, man.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:So what was it about working in that environment that made it?
Marc:Was it because you were working with a director who was an actor?
Marc:Did you know Sean before?
Guest:He was such a good actor.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:No, I didn't know him before.
Guest:Everything about that movie was different, like even the audition scene.
Guest:The audition scene, I didn't get the whole script.
Guest:The audition scene was never in the movie.
Guest:It was actually the written, it was the scene where Dorothy meets Frank.
Guest:Mm-hmm.
Guest:And everything about Sean was really different.
Guest:He would sometimes come up to us in scenes and whisper different things in our ear about what had happened to us before the scene or how we were... He was just so emotionally free as an actor and so present as an actor.
Guest:I'd also worked before that.
Guest:Another pivotal thing for me was working with Diane Keaton before that.
Guest:She directed me in two projects, movies of the week.
Guest:And working with her...
Guest:as an actor, to have this woman who was such an incredible actress and such a powerful director, so emotionally present.
Guest:I think that was really pivotal for me.
Guest:Then working on Indian Runner with Sean, True Romance, definitely.
Guest:And it was part of the reason I got True Romance was because of Indian Runner.
Marc:Oh, yeah?
Marc:Because Tony had seen it?
Guest:I think they'd heard about it, and then Tony had talked to Sean, I think, yeah.
Marc:And do you still have a relationship with Diane Keaton?
Guest:I just saw her because she was being honored the other night and I wanted to see her.
Guest:And I love her very much.
Marc:Because I always wonder about that with people that have these moments professionally.
Marc:I mean, I know that actors are sort of like a gig is a gig.
Marc:But in my mind, I want to believe that all big, talented people are sort of on the phone with each other occasionally and checking in.
Marc:But I guess that's just my fantasy.
Marc:That's the delusion that I have about actors like that.
Guest:I'm sure there are some.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And I think then, okay, there are some that are really doing that because they're isolated in a weird way and they do understand each other.
Guest:Then there's another whole contingent that's like the hustlers, the connectors.
Guest:So they want to keep those relationships open.
Guest:Oh, right, right, right, right.
Guest:There's a lot of those.
Guest:The annoying people.
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:I just slink back into my family life.
Marc:But you've worked with some pretty amazing directors.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:What was the Ed Wood experience like?
Guest:It was great.
Guest:I'd always wanted to work with Tim Burton, and I love the story of Ed Wood, the story of this dreamer, and with his distorted reality that was kind of a better reality, and a good enough reality, and a magical reality.
Guest:And Johnny was great in that movie.
Guest:And I'd known Johnny since I was a teenager.
Guest:We'd auditioned for a lot of movies together.
Marc:He's turned into quite an actor.
Guest:He was always a good actor, yeah.
Marc:Was he?
Marc:Like 21 Jump Street?
Guest:Well, around that time I'd met him in the parking lot of counters.
Guest:But I remember Johnny pushing me around some supermarket in a shopping cart.
Guest:And he put a strainer on my head.
Guest:And we were running around buying like water guns and candy.
Marc:But like someone like Nick Cage, do you talk to him still?
Guest:No.
Marc:Never?
Guest:I mean, I think sometimes just with relationships, it's good to move on with your own lives.
Marc:Oh, yeah.
Marc:I think so.
Marc:Who is your second husband?
Guest:Thomas Jane.
Guest:He's a really great actor, too.
Marc:And are you guys okay?
Marc:Do you talk to each other?
Guest:Well, we have a daughter together, so... Right.
Marc:So, yeah.
Guest:Better.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And you figured out a way to kind of make that okay.
Guest:Yeah, I mean... It's hard when you get divorced with kids, huh?
Guest:It's very good to keep in mind that this person gave you one of the most beautiful gifts of your life.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And you both love this person.
Marc:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:And at the end of the day, you know, a kid...
Marc:needs their parents yeah and it's good not to be so selfish as to not realize that yeah and also all those people in your life are your great teachers and okay so let's go through directors can we um when you work with scorsese how was that awesome yeah what what what makes them different how are they all different like in the sense like like working with tim burton how is he because you mentioned a little bit about how sean penn does it
Marc:And he was sort of giving you backstory in your ear to provoke emotional reactions, I imagine.
Guest:And Diane Keaton, like, I would be doing a crying scene, and she would be crying off camera.
Guest:I'd be laughing.
Guest:She'd be laughing.
Guest:Like, she would touch you before and just kind of infuse your whole body with this electrical support system.
Guest:That was really intense.
Guest:Tony's, let's see, Tim Burton...
Guest:He was funny.
Guest:He was honest.
Guest:He had this great visual interest, and he was very humble and warm.
Marc:But he knew exactly how he wanted the movie to look.
Guest:Yeah, there was no doubt about it.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But he also wanted us to have fun.
Marc:Okay.
Guest:But he would be really honest, like, this time, do it better.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And he'd start laughing.
Guest:Like, oh, what does that mean?
Yeah.
Marc:And Scorsese.
Marc:That's a weird movie, that movie.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:The Scorsese.
Guest:Bringing out the deck.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:It's an odd thing.
Marc:Like, it just sort of stands alone.
Marc:It almost doesn't feel like a full movie.
Marc:It's just like this weird journey.
Guest:Well, I think the weird journey of the nocturnal experience and the world of the dying and dead, it is like some kind of dream state.
Guest:But he was incredible.
Guest:We were doing this one scene, and I felt really frustrated with myself.
Guest:And he was like, what's going on?
Guest:I was like, I don't feel like I'm there.
Guest:And he was like...
Guest:it's looking good but you know take all the time you want i go well we have a we have a crew move so we were supposed to change locations and go somewhere else and they have to get permits and that means all the stuff and parking trucks and all this crap so i felt this pressure and he's like oh no no no don't feel any pressure and i was like i know we need to move on and he's like no no
Guest:We could stay here all day.
Guest:We could stay here all day tomorrow.
Guest:Don't worry about it.
Guest:We could do anything, you know?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He really meant that.
Guest:Right.
Guest:And he said at one point his monitors went out, and he was like, oh, that one was really good.
Guest:And I was like, how could you tell Marty that your monitor went out?
Guest:And he goes, you can hear it when it's right.
Guest:Right.
Guest:You hear a person connected to their body through their voice.
Guest:And he said, you know, I could be in the editing room and stop a frame anywhere and listen to that, and then you just know if it's there or not.
Marc:That's wild.
Marc:Well, I like that you're, you know, when you're under stress, your default is sort of like to worry about everything else.
Marc:That's not even your job.
Guest:I know.
Marc:How about David Lynch doing The Last Highway?
Guest:Awesome.
Guest:So great.
Guest:Funny, sweet.
Guest:You know, a lot of times people subconsciously or consciously, it's like the director is the final voice.
Guest:It is really their vision.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:They kind of mastermind the whole look, feel, oversee each department.
Guest:So it all comes together.
Guest:With David, it was like, you know, this story, I'd say, David, am I two different people?
Guest:Am I one person?
Guest:Is one a dream?
Guest:Is one a hallucination?
Guest:Is one a ghost?
Guest:Am I two ghosts?
Guest:What's going on here?
Guest:I don't know.
Guest:Patricia, why don't you tell me?
Guest:But the freedom of that, the trust of that, like the adventure of exploring, his team would be so excited to bring him anything.
Guest:Like, okay, so I'm walking down a dark hallway, and there's the camera.
Guest:And then behind the camera...
Guest:you're only supposed to get within three feet of minimum focus.
Guest:So if you get closer than that, it gets blurry because they can't get focused in that darkness that sharp.
Guest:Closer than three feet.
Guest:So we're walking down the hallway...
Guest:I'm trying to stay three feet away.
Guest:And after the take, David goes, cut, print it, that's great.
Guest:And they go, no, no, David, it's not good for camera.
Guest:She moved inside, minimum focus sometimes, and it went blurry.
Guest:Great, let's look at it.
Guest:Audiences have to get used to different kinds of focus.
Guest:And then he would say, like, there's no real top and bottom.
Guest:There's no side or side.
Guest:You know, people look at filmmaking or storytelling or all of these things like it has these strict boundaries, but it doesn't have to have those boundaries.
Marc:Wow.
Marc:So that like so like in the moment he was like building a new language of film.
Guest:And also just opening up your own mind to like, oh, film isn't this solid thing with these sharp corners, 90 degree turns.
Guest:It's actually this stretchable, pliable, moving thing, which is exciting and scary.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:Yeah, you have to reckon with those movies maybe a couple of times.
Guest:You have to reckon with making them, too.
Guest:I mean, it's... I can't imagine it.
Marc:Definitely, you... Because you're, like, floating, and, like, there's no definition necessarily or boundaries.
Marc:I imagine that's pretty challenging.
Guest:Well, and because I have a logic to the way that I feel safe in the world and also making choices as an actor, so I decided.
Guest:I knew that David had written it around the time of O.J.
Guest:Simpson, and David was very obsessed with that trial.
Guest:And so here's this guy.
Guest:who all the evidence says killed his wife yeah but he's saying no no no i didn't do that and at a certain point do you start believing your own lie right do you start to believe that yeah so i looked at that movie as an examination of women through the eyes of this misogynist so my character renee is married to to bill yeah and
Guest:And but he touches the hood of her car when he gets home to see if it's warm.
Guest:She's been out like there's this weird space between them.
Guest:She doesn't feel safe with them, but she's kind of trying to just bore him to death or just give him nothing.
Guest:So he'll leave because she just doesn't feel safe with him.
Guest:Right.
Guest:He kills her, but he doesn't remember it.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:He sees it as this other thing that's not him.
Guest:Then he reinvents himself as this younger guy.
Guest:And he gets to re-meet her again.
Guest:And now she wants him.
Guest:But even in this dream fantasy reality, she's a lying whore.
Guest:Because she will always be a lying whore.
Guest:And he can never have her.
Guest:And he can never figure her out.
Guest:And she will never love him enough.
Guest:And she will never be someone safe to love.
Marc:And you put all that together?
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:I had to do something.
Guest:I was confused.
Marc:And what about David O. Russell?
Guest:David O. Russell is cool, too.
Guest:I mean, he's a very mercurial person.
Guest:He's very immediate, funny.
Guest:We had a lot of fun rehearsing.
Guest:We had a long rehearsal process on that movie.
Marc:I love that movie.
Guest:Yeah, I loved it, too.
Marc:It's kind of a fun ensemble comedy thing.
Marc:He's pretty ballsy in terms of the risks he takes and the genres he plays with and how he makes movies.
Marc:I think he's kind of a genius, that guy.
Guest:I do, too.
Guest:I do, absolutely.
Guest:And I think they're all geniuses.
Marc:Yeah, they are actually the ones we're talking about.
Guest:I've got a lot of good ones on my bedpost.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And so Linklater, you worked with him first on...
Marc:On the Fast Food Nation movie, which I like.
Guest:Well, no.
Guest:We started Boyhood before Fast Food Nation.
Guest:Oh, really?
Guest:So we were already shooting Boyhood.
Guest:So he's like, why don't you and Ethan come?
Guest:Eller's even in that movie for a second.
Marc:Who?
Guest:The little boy from Boyhood is in Fast Food Nation.
Marc:So how did that work?
Marc:So you signed on.
Marc:He says to you, we're going to do a movie.
Marc:It's going to take 12 years.
Guest:So it's the pod between first and 12th grade.
Marc:Right.
Right.
Marc:And you'd shoot every year?
Guest:Yep.
Marc:And when he, how did he pitch that to you?
Marc:What was that meeting like?
Guest:It was on the phone.
Guest:He just called me and said, what are you going to be doing for the next 12 years?
Guest:And I was like, I don't know, man, hustling, raising my son, same thing I'm doing right now.
Guest:What are you going to be doing?
Guest:I'm thinking about doing this movie where we shoot like a week a year for 12 years.
Guest:And I was like, I hope all the blood rushed through my body.
Guest:And I was just like, are you thinking about me for this?
Guest:He was like, yeah, I was kind of wondering if you'd be interested.
Guest:Ethan's going to do it.
Guest:I was like.
Guest:i'm in he's like we don't have any money i was like i'm in and then i was like oh shit what's my part man he's like you're gonna be the mom i was like cool so i just imagined it would be like hey man don't forget your ball yeah don't forget your mitt what's going on and each year it's a different line don't forget your condom don't forget you don't forget you stole money out of my wallet and
Marc:and was the experience of it i mean did you know in the process of making that just doing did you actually only shoot a week a year yeah so how did you were you able to even connect what that might end up as well after that first little bit of that conversation he then i said what's the movie about and he told me the whole story of the movie and it's the same movie he made and it had the same feeling he made and
Guest:You know, he said, you know, there'll be like a presidential campaign.
Guest:Now, we had no idea who would be running for president at the time.
Guest:So those things would be inserted closer to the time.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But he'd call us a few months before and say, start thinking about this stuff.
Guest:These are the scenes this year.
Marc:But it was still like one week of shooting a year.
Marc:So I imagine, what was the experience of seeing that movie for the first time for you?
Marc:Because just for me, it was kind of brain-altering somehow.
Marc:I can't imagine what it must have felt like for you to actually see yourself...
Guest:move through it you know over a decade on screen well it was really surreal in a million ways rick had offered to let me see it you know okay the movie's done do you want to see it you know yeah so you know what i want to see it with an audience he's like are you sure so the first time i saw it was the first time i'd ever had an audience 1200 people at sundowns yeah
Guest:Me and my boyfriend had just started dating.
Guest:It was the first time we saw a movie I was in together.
Guest:So that's a whole other element.
Guest:Then watching that, yes, you're self-aging.
Guest:But also on top of it, it was like watching it through four brains because there was the brain of myself watching the movie.
Guest:There was the brain of watching myself age.
Guest:There was the other part of me that knew, oh, that's the year Ethan got divorced.
Guest:Oh, right, that's the year I got divorced.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Our own stuff.
Guest:Oh, Eller's family got divorced that year.
Guest:Oh, the makeup lady couldn't be there that year.
Guest:Oh, our wardrobe lady was so pregnant that year.
Guest:All of that stuff is in the background of another part.
Guest:And then, because I only had the scenes that I was in, there was another part of it where my character...
Guest:My son Mason in the movie, Eller's character would say, I'm going to sleep on my friends.
Guest:And I knew he was lying.
Guest:But I didn't know what that next scene was.
Guest:So then my character was watching the movie.
Guest:And my character was seeing them throw these darts.
Guest:And this guy is kind of a pervy, weird dude.
Guest:And my character was like, I don't like that fucking guy.
Guest:You can't hang out with him anymore.
Guest:And my character was making all these judgments and decisions like, wow, your dad was really a good dad.
Guest:Oh, yeah.
Guest:You know, wow.
Guest:If you could just be a fly on the wall of the other parent, you'd probably see, like, I really chose well to have kids with you.
Marc:Did that inform your real life?
Guest:Yeah, it did.
Guest:It made me definitely think, you know,
Guest:I need to step back and have a bigger picture of things.
Guest:The chances are, if you have really great kids that are loved and happy and full, probably the other parent's doing something right.
Marc:Yeah, it's very moving.
Marc:So you actually, having all those four kind of narratives going in you during the movie emotionally, like you were able to almost, it was almost like a crash course in emotional growth.
Yeah.
Guest:It was, and then also I had this fierce feeling of protectiveness because I'd been through so many movies and screenings and film festivals and movies that were great.
Guest:I mean, True Romance was a bomb.
Guest:It found its own audience over time.
Guest:But here was this movie that I really was connected to emotionally and the people in it, and I really loved.
Guest:And I knew it had a different meter, and I knew it was different, and it was dealing with...
Guest:more nuances of being a person, human, than sort of these obvious plot kind of things.
Guest:So again, it was like, I kind of think I'm going to really not like people if they don't understand this movie, or if they don't accept it or see what's special about it.
Guest:I'm going to really have an emotional time with this one.
Marc:Yeah.
Marc:And it was.
Marc:How did you feel about its reception?
Guest:It was amazing.
Guest:I bet.
Guest:Thank God it was amazing because we were like, all right, here we go, man.
Guest:I don't know how this is going to go down, especially with the kids.
Guest:It was their first movie like that.
Guest:Like, you know what?
Guest:No matter what happens, it doesn't matter.
Guest:Like, I love you guys.
Guest:This is our thing.
Guest:It doesn't matter.
Guest:Right.
Guest:But after the movie, there were just all these people crying.
Guest:And there was an 18-year-old boy like, this is my life.
Guest:And then there was a 60-year-old lady like, this is my life.
Guest:It was beautiful.
Marc:And it was recognized by the industry and by the public.
Guest:Which is bizarre.
Guest:Crazy.
Guest:You won an Oscar.
Guest:I know.
Guest:I heard about that.
Guest:It was crazy, too.
Marc:I can't even imagine that.
Guest:Me either.
Guest:I still can't imagine that.
Guest:Is it hard?
Guest:It's really weird.
Guest:Yeah, it's really... Yeah.
Marc:Because it was not an easy path for you as an actor after a certain point.
Marc:I mean, you had some rough times.
Guest:I don't really feel like I've had that rough of a time.
Guest:Right.
Guest:I mean, I don't.
Guest:I don't.
Marc:But I imagine that some part of your heart was sort of like, I want to win an Oscar.
Guest:Well, when I was a little girl, I'd be like in the bathtub or when I'd be watching the Oscars, like,
Guest:Oh, that's so cool.
Guest:But then, very early on, I'd sort of chosen an artistic route, you know, that path in the road that doesn't really lead there.
Marc:Oh, really?
Marc:Well, at what point, though, do you think that happened?
Guest:Very early on.
Marc:Before the movies, even?
Guest:No, no, no.
Marc:Like after True Romance, or...?
Guest:Um, I don't think true romance is even Oscar stuff.
Marc:You know, it's.
Marc:But it was definitely leading lady kind of like, you know, like big.
Marc:It felt like a big movie to me.
Marc:Like, you know, that you could have like.
Guest:It felt like to me something between entertainment.
Guest:Uh huh.
Guest:which isn't really Oscar material kind of acting thing.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Or it also felt radical because, you know, Quentin had just only written Reservoir Dogs.
Guest:He actually wrote True Romance before Reservoir Dogs.
Guest:So this came out right after Reservoir Dogs.
Guest:So that was a whole new world of, whoa, what is this thing?
Guest:It's a little fringy.
Marc:Well, I think I meant what, not by leading lady, but movie star.
Marc:Like it felt like it could have been like that.
Marc:There was a point there where you're like, I'm going to go after movie star-ness.
Guest:No, that came to me because of that movie.
Marc:I could have.
Guest:And I turned down a lot of stuff that were the obvious fare.
Guest:And I was like, I want to work with David Lynch, and I want to work with these other filmmakers.
Guest:And I saw Spanking the Monkey, and I want to work with this dude that made this little movie.
Guest:So I purposely sort of took a right turn on that path.
Marc:And I imagine you're pretty grateful for that.
Guest:I am really grateful.
Guest:I'm grateful for the whole ride.
Marc:So you're at the Oscars, and they say your name.
Guest:And it was like somebody injects you with this elephant tranquilizer that makes time and space just go... And it almost feels like every millisecond is a million years.
Marc:What, heading up to the podium?
Guest:Yeah, everything distorts out, like... Yeah.
Guest:Like...
Guest:Yeah, they said my name right.
Guest:I'm hugging you.
Guest:No one's saying, sit down.
Guest:No.
Guest:I'm moving up there.
Guest:This is really weird.
Guest:How can this be happening?
Guest:I mean, afterwards, I went backstage.
Guest:I was shaking, and I almost fainted.
Guest:I was like, I think I'm going to throw up.
Guest:I was so...
Marc:And when you were up there, you said some stuff that was very heartfelt and very pointed.
Marc:And I think it might have changed my girlfriend's wife.
Guest:Yay!
Guest:She got a raise.
Guest:What?
Marc:Well, she's a painter, so she's doing okay, though.
Guest:Okay, good.
Marc:But in that moment, did it just come to you?
Marc:Was there forethought to saying... Oh, yeah, no.
Guest:That was a plan.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Guest:I mean, look, you're not really supposed to be political.
Guest:It's very kind of known that you're not supposed to be political, but...
Guest:Here I was winning this for a woman who had to keep moving her kids from place to place and put herself through school and be the main caretaker and be the main breadwinner.
Guest:And I just thought how different her life would have been.
Guest:Would she have married that guy?
Guest:Or was there a subconscious...
Guest:How attractive was this idea of stability?
Marc:Right.
Guest:What if you removed that?
Guest:What if instead of making 78 cents on the dollar, she made an extra 22 cents?
Guest:How different would her life, her kids' life have been?
Guest:Would they have had to move that time?
Guest:Say goodbye to their friends?
Guest:Change their school?
Guest:So I knew I wanted to talk about equal pay for women.
Marc:Which shouldn't even, to me, it's not even politics.
Marc:It's just basic justice.
Guest:Yeah, it is basic justice.
Guest:It is.
Marc:And, you know, so it's weird that, like, people would frame it politically because it shouldn't even be a charged topic.
Guest:Yeah, but the weird thing is, yeah, unfortunately it is.
Marc:No, no, I know.
Marc:I know.
Marc:But did you get backlash from that, that you had politicized?
Guest:Yeah, there was a bunch of people that didn't.
Guest:claim that it doesn't even exist even though the Department of Labor it's sort of like oh global warming doesn't exist like guys you would be crushed to death with all of the material that supports this right and even but you also brought up just even in Hollywood
Guest:Yeah, but I wasn't even really talking about Hollywood.
Guest:I wasn't thinking about Hollywood, but Hollywood is one of 98% of all industries that it exists in.
Guest:So that's part of it, but it's a minor part of it.
Guest:And look, we just don't even look at the correlation.
Guest:We don't live in this Ozzie and Harriet world anymore.
Guest:70% of women are now working, so they're contributing the income, or they're the sole providers.
Marc:Right.
Guest:And...
Guest:One out of five kids in America is hungry.
Guest:The richest country in the world.
Marc:That's crazy.
Guest:We have an astronomical amount of hungry kids.
Guest:And let's say it is 70% of the African American community is being raised solely by single bread winning moms who are getting paid 60 cents on the dollar.
Guest:Is there a relationship between hungry kids and women making 60 cents on the dollar or Latino women making 55 cents on the dollar?
Guest:Right.
Guest:Yeah, there's a relationship with that.
Guest:So it's not just women's equality oftentimes or women's rights or women's fair pay.
Guest:The reality is the new America, you have to look at women and children.
Guest:Right.
Guest:Economic survival really depends on women.
Guest:At this point, we're at a pivotal junction where we need to...
Guest:uh really make a radical change yeah even it up make it right we do yeah like the missing middle class is all these women and their kids yeah nobody talks about class not in america yeah there's just there's rich people and people are going to be rich soon yeah
Guest:Or they're not working hard enough to be rich.
Guest:That's right.
Marc:Are you active in your personal life around these issues?
Marc:Do you go do stuff?
Guest:Yeah, I do a lot of speaking engagements.
Guest:I went to the Milken Convention, which is this very fancy convention with huge CEOs, and called for them to do gender audits.
Guest:There's this amazing CEO, Mark Benioff,
Guest:who runs Salesforce, and he did a gender audit on his company, and he said he's not going to stop until there's gender parity.
Marc:So that's good.
Marc:That's progress.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:And then Governor Brown signed the strongest fair pay bill in California that Senator Hannah Beth Jackson presented, which is great.
Guest:But it's California.
Guest:That's one state.
Guest:It'll start in January.
Guest:It'll change some of the laws in a radical way, so we'll see how those work out.
Guest:But the rest of the country, it's really hard for women.
Marc:Yeah.
Guest:And it's still hard for women here.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Oh, and also I'm helping my friend produce a movie she's been working on for six years called Equal Means Equal, where they examine all these relationships that
Marc:It's a doc.
Guest:It's a documentary.
Guest:Equal means equal.
Guest:Camel Lopez is her name.
Guest:And it looks at judicially, the justice system, underfunding of projects, how fair pay is playing out.
Guest:I mean, there's so many crazy things when you start really examining all of this.
Guest:For years, for decades, the FDA was looking at all the scientific data for drugs, but they didn't even know that none of them were being tested on women at all.
Hmm.
Guest:And that ended up overdosing women, killing women.
Guest:Seat belts were never tested on women.
Guest:And then to the last couple of years, and then when they made a female crash test dummy, what they found was all of these safety ratings of a bunch of cars dropped because a lot of them, where the airbag was placed, ended up killing women and 12-year-old kids who were more similar.
Guest:And people think, oh, well, airbag is where an airbag is.
Guest:But in Europe, the airbags are in a completely different place because in Europe, the car companies have to assume that the person in the car is not wearing a seatbelt.
Guest:So these are all things like just this subconscious bias where you're not even part of the conversation because you're a female.
Marc:Yeah, I guess I guess they would say patriarchal oversight.
Guest:Right, yeah.
Guest:And I do think for a large part it's subconscious and then part of it is also conscious because it's more complicated to look at.
Guest:But don't we think half the population should be looked at?
Marc:Yeah, right.
Marc:Like, oh, there's boobs, we've got to make a new machine.
Guest:Right, or their necks are a little thinner.
Guest:Right.
Marc:Oh, wow.
Marc:So as somebody, as a working mother... Mm-hmm.
Marc:When you do TV over movies or, you know, instead of movies, do you approach it differently?
Marc:Do you see it, you know, like, I mean, you were on that show Medium for years.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:And is that as fulfilling as doing movies or is it sort of like a job?
Guest:It's really different.
Guest:It's a different... It's more like a theater company that's traveling all the time and doing... It's almost like live theater in a weird way.
Guest:You have to shoot eight pages a day.
Guest:You have to learn this astronomical amount of dialogue.
Guest:You have to leave it there.
Guest:You never get to go back to it to fix it.
Guest:You don't get to look at the whole arc of the whole thing.
Guest:So you learn to memorize much faster.
Guest:You have to be present in the moment more...
Guest:be that character for years yeah and you also really establish a deep relationship with your crew so there's and then there's things that are hard you don't have the same relationship with the director they're shooters they come and they go it's very different your relationship with the director in a movie but imagine the relationship with the crew is deeper in a sense or the other actors at least in
Guest:yeah the whole thing i think you bond for a long time yeah so i'm grateful for that it's also nice to be here in town sure where your kids living yeah oh yeah right and in the csi show how's that going i feel like we've really improved a lot this year i'm liking the writing is this the second year and do you like doing the procedurals is the first one you've done
Guest:It's not my go-to.
Guest:It's not easy for me.
Marc:Right.
Guest:So it's a challenge.
Guest:In what way?
Guest:A lot of my characters are heart-based, and this character's all brain.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:Very brain.
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:The cyber part of it, but also the analytical, therapeutic part of her.
Guest:And that's a survival mechanism.
Guest:Uh-huh.
Guest:But also the lingo and the whole thing is different.
Guest:But I'm excited about this year.
Guest:Is she a control freak?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:She's much cleaner than I am.
Guest:Much more organized.
Guest:Like, I'm the Oscar... What's Oscar's last name?
Guest:Felix Unger and Oscar... Oh, what is his last name?
Guest:What?
Guest:Is he just Oscar, like Cher?
Guest:Felix Unger and Oscar...
Guest:madison yes i wanted to say the grouch oh good um there's one of those yeah yeah um yeah so i'm kind of the oscar oh yeah in real life uh-huh and she's my felix on your part oh good so this is another uh you know it's a learning thing yeah they're all learning things oops new tools all new tools how's this uh current relationship working out good it's awesome yeah you like dating a painter i do do you
Marc:Yeah, they operate in a different time zone.
Guest:Yeah.
Marc:They don't look at things regularly.
Marc:It seems like the clutter that defines my life is just not something that concerns them.
Guest:Isn't that great?
Marc:It is great.
Marc:It's sort of weird.
Marc:And they're right here all the time.
Marc:Is that your experience?
Marc:They're probably different.
Marc:What kind of paintings do you do?
Guest:I'll show you.
Guest:You'll see.
Marc:Abstract?
Guest:I don't even want to label it.
Guest:What about her painting?
Marc:She's an abstract painter.
Guest:Oh, okay.
Marc:Yeah, big, big, big abstract canvases.
Guest:He's more figurative.
Guest:Oh, yeah?
Marc:And so where's the studio?
Marc:In the house?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:So you get to kind of... Well, he's got his own little...
Marc:Area?
Guest:Yeah.
Guest:It's a studio.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Marc:It's wild, right?
Marc:It's like a little Zen temple when you walk in.
Marc:I don't know what yours is.
Guest:Oh, I love it.
Guest:Yeah, yeah.
Guest:I love going in there.
Guest:And I love just his process.
Guest:And I mean, because he's such a perfectionist and so detailed, his work.
Guest:And I mean, I can't do anything like that.
Guest:So it's neat to have people talk about different disciplines.
Marc:Right.
Marc:It's great to be with somebody who's not in the business anymore.
Guest:And he loves other painters' work and turns me on to art, and that's the life force.
Guest:It's exciting.
Marc:Let's go look at some paintings.
Guest:Yeah, let's do it.
Marc:Good talking to you.
Guest:Good talking to you.
Marc:Okay.
Marc:See, that was moving.
Marc:I'm so grateful that I am able to talk to people out here.
Marc:If I don't talk to a guest, you know, for a week, I'm in trouble, man.
Marc:I like to talk to people.
Marc:I like to do it right here in my dirty garage.
Marc:And I'm glad you guys like it, too.
Marc:And thank you for all the stuff you send me.
Marc:I read a lot of your emails.
Marc:Someday I'll get it together to...
Marc:Put together an email show.
Marc:Because there's a lot of touching stuff.
Marc:And I'm glad to be part of your lives.
Marc:Those of you.
Marc:You know who I'm talking to.
Marc:The people that get.
Marc:More than I could have ever imagined.
Marc:Out of this show.
Marc:I'm glad to help.
Marc:And I'm humbled.
Marc:By your feedback.
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Marc:Yeah, I'll play guitar.
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