Episode 646 - Mike Epps / Pashman Returns

Episode 646 • Released October 14, 2015 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Marc:all right let's do this how are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the fucking ears what the fucksters what the fuckadelics what's happening this is mark maron this is wtf welcome to the show i am delusional i am punchy i am giddy i

00:00:25Marc:I am at the end of my tether.

00:00:27Marc:I am in Australia.

00:00:29Marc:I made it to Australia.

00:00:30Marc:I'm recording this the same day I got here.

00:00:34Marc:I don't know when I've slept or whether slept happened or if I slept at all.

00:00:39Marc:I took a plane from Los Angeles.

00:00:41Marc:I flew into the future a day.

00:00:43Marc:I was on that plane for 15 hours, man.

00:00:46Marc:15 hours.

00:00:47Marc:I freaked out at the beginning, but it's a massive plane.

00:00:51Marc:747 two stories i was flying business i'll tell you man as nice as business is somehow i managed to get the seven-year-old kid next to me who was fidgety and his mom was at seat was over on the on the other side and she asked me if i wanted to switch seats with the kid and be in the window so the kid could be close to her and his little brother and i you know i kind of balked

00:01:16Marc:I balked at the opportunity to get away, to tuck into the window.

00:01:20Marc:I thought it would be okay.

00:01:21Marc:And she said, well, I hope I don't bother you if I have to step over you to deal with my son.

00:01:26Marc:And I'm like, it should be okay.

00:01:29Marc:It was okay, I guess.

00:01:31Marc:Before we took off, I said, you want to switch?

00:01:32Marc:We can switch.

00:01:33Marc:He's like, not really.

00:01:34Marc:It's up to you.

00:01:36Marc:And I'm like, well, do you want to be closer?

00:01:38Marc:And then I got the sense like maybe the kid didn't want to be as close as the mother wanted him to be.

00:01:43Marc:Maybe he wanted one strange dude with a mustache in between him and the rest of his family.

00:01:49Marc:Sometimes that's what you need.

00:01:51Marc:Just a wall of a person you don't know to make you feel autonomous, to make you feel like you've got your own space.

00:01:58Marc:So I did that for that kid, even though he busted my balls because I put the light on up top and I left it on so I could read.

00:02:05Marc:I was reading Elvis Costello's book.

00:02:08Marc:And and he said, could you please turn on your reading light instead?

00:02:12Marc:Because it's blinding me and I'm trying to watch cartoons.

00:02:15Marc:The nerve.

00:02:17Marc:He's the kid.

00:02:18Marc:He's the guy complaining in business.

00:02:21Marc:This little man about my life choice.

00:02:24Marc:I did what he wanted.

00:02:26Marc:I did.

00:02:26Marc:You know what I mean?

00:02:27Marc:Sometimes when I just see a kid, especially a dude kid, a boy kid, there's part of me that just, you know, empathizes and envies the vulnerability of being that age simultaneously.

00:02:42Marc:You know what?

00:02:42Marc:Why would anyone be mean to a kid?

00:02:45Marc:There's an impulse there, but then you realize he's just a kid.

00:02:48Marc:He's all awkward.

00:02:49Marc:He hasn't grown into his head yet or his arms or his legs.

00:02:53Marc:He doesn't know the power of vaginas or whatever he chooses in life.

00:03:00Marc:Just this constant physical change is going on that are drastic.

00:03:07Marc:I feel like I'm entering one.

00:03:09Marc:I feel like I'm entering the physical change one enters in their mid-50s where most of your body is sort of like, all right, for most practical purposes, I think we're through.

00:03:19Marc:I think we're just going to ride it out.

00:03:21Marc:And then you're like, no, no, no.

00:03:24Marc:We got to stay tense and taunt.

00:03:28Marc:and and and and but loose we have to we have to still be vital but your cells are sort of like nah not really not really you kind of blew the opportunity to take advantage of all that when you were younger now we're just going to go ahead and get lax we're just going to lay out for a while that's what my cells are doing today on the show

00:03:50Marc:I decided to put a little more Dan Pashman on because people enjoy it.

00:03:54Marc:Mike Epps came by and we talked for a while.

00:03:58Marc:So I did all right on the plane.

00:03:59Marc:It's weird when you're in a plane that big.

00:04:01Marc:For a while, you're like, well, I don't feel like we're really flying.

00:04:04Marc:And then when it does get turbulent down to 747, you're like, that must be some...

00:04:08Marc:serious fucking wind if an airship this huge is feeling it and then then you start going into like how the fuck does something this big stay in the air and there there are answers to these things i know there are answers there's good science behind it and engineering and aerodynamics i understand that but when you're

00:04:26Marc:Sort of in the grips of fear, you're like, this is ridiculous.

00:04:29Marc:And we're over the middle of the ocean.

00:04:32Marc:And then you get down here to Australia and it's like, you know, I've been here before and I just don't know.

00:04:36Marc:I think I slept for two hours.

00:04:39Marc:Then I woke up and I ate a Cadbury bar very quickly to get the chocolate caffeine and sugar buzz.

00:04:46Marc:And then I wandered around and I bought a cigar.

00:04:49Marc:But you're wandering around like you got hit in the head.

00:04:51Marc:You're wandering around like it's some sort of fucking dream.

00:04:54Marc:I feel like I'm in waking consciousness.

00:04:56Marc:And then I went and did a television show.

00:04:58Marc:I did the project down here in Melbourne.

00:05:00Marc:I came down a day early to do some last minute promoting for my shows here in Australia.

00:05:06Marc:That'll be tonight in Sydney at the State Theater tomorrow at the Palais Theater in Melbourne.

00:05:12Marc:And Saturday night, we're going to go through with the Brisbane show.

00:05:15Marc:We shifted to a smaller venue, which will actually be more accommodating and much more exciting a show, to be honest with you.

00:05:23Marc:I'm glad I didn't bail or wasn't pushed out of that.

00:05:26Marc:But I think it's going to be okay.

00:05:27Marc:I feel all right.

00:05:28Marc:I didn't meditate yet, but I'm working towards it.

00:05:31Marc:I wanted to let you know that.

00:05:33Marc:Yeah, we're definitely pondering the Lorne Michaels episode.

00:05:36Marc:That's still in ponder zone and putting together zone and deciding what happens after that zone.

00:05:47Marc:But I'm here, man.

00:05:48Marc:I'm in Australia.

00:05:50Marc:I'm on an island, a huge island far away from my home.

00:05:55Marc:But I feel like I'm doing okay with this international traveling thing.

00:05:57Marc:I mean, I used to get freaked out when they would say the temperature in Celsius.

00:06:01Marc:There's that moment where you're like, what does that mean in Fahrenheit?

00:06:05Marc:What does that mean where we come from?

00:06:07Marc:But that's better than when I used to come here where it'd be like Celsius.

00:06:10Marc:They're not going to understand anything I do.

00:06:13Marc:If Celsius is where they're at, they're not going to get me at all.

00:06:19Marc:Special treatment.

00:06:22Marc:It's important, isn't it?

00:06:24Marc:Isn't that what we're all working towards?

00:06:26Marc:Just being able to go, hi, Marc Maron.

00:06:29Marc:Oh, I can go right in?

00:06:30Marc:Thank you.

00:06:31Marc:I think that's what people are working towards.

00:06:33Marc:It's not even a celebrity thing.

00:06:34Marc:I think the only reason Jews moved to Florida is that most of the establishments down there know that these old Jewish guys just want to be called by their first name and made to feel that they have a special table waiting.

00:06:47Marc:It doesn't even matter how shitty the food is.

00:06:49Marc:If you just go, oh, how you doing, John?

00:06:51Marc:Yeah, we got your table.

00:06:53Marc:Now, here's your plate full of poop.

00:06:56Marc:All right, look.

00:06:57Marc:My brain is loose in its cradle because of this flight to Australia.

00:07:04Marc:I don't know if I'm even dreaming this.

00:07:05Marc:I hope this makes the show.

00:07:08Marc:But I wanted to do this because me and Dan Pashman, we go back and and the segment we did last week, people loved it.

00:07:16Marc:So I wanted to put up some more of my conversation with Dan Pashman.

00:07:20Marc:Doesn't seem to matter what we even talk about, what the topic is.

00:07:23Marc:We can always find something to argue about.

00:07:25Marc:Isn't it nice to have somebody like that in your life that doesn't live nearby?

00:07:29Marc:Thank God Dan lives in New York.

00:07:32Marc:But I'll tell you, if you like this stuff, you should check out Pashman's podcast, The Sporkful.

00:07:36Marc:He's got some live Sporkful episodes coming to Boston and to Brooklyn with guests like Mike Kaplan and John Hodgman.

00:07:44Marc:Just go to sporkful.com to find out more.

00:07:48Marc:Okay?

00:07:49Marc:And now I'm going to give you a little more of me and Dan Pashman doing what me and Dan Pashman do, which is argue over bullshit.

00:07:59Marc:I don't like granola, just regular granola.

00:08:07Marc:It's always too sweet.

00:08:08Guest:Yeah, right.

00:08:09Guest:Granola is one of the great scams that's been perpetrated on people in that.

00:08:13Marc:Really?

00:08:13Marc:Like crack?

00:08:15Guest:No, everyone knows what crack is.

00:08:17Marc:Right.

00:08:17Guest:People think that granola is healthy and it's really more like candy.

00:08:21Marc:Right.

00:08:21Marc:It's like many of the bars that we are.

00:08:23Guest:Granola bars are candy bars.

00:08:25Marc:Sure.

00:08:25Guest:99% of the time.

00:08:26Marc:No, we know that.

00:08:28Guest:But you know, this is one I want to get your take on that a lot of people have been asking me about.

00:08:31Marc:Really?

00:08:32Marc:This is a hot topic with you?

00:08:33Marc:Big.

00:08:33Marc:Can't wait.

00:08:34Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:08:35Guest:It's tearing up.

00:08:36Guest:There might have been a tweet about it.

00:08:39Marc:Yeah.

00:08:39Guest:A lot of people are up in arms over where to draw the line about the correct definition of a sandwich.

00:08:45Marc:Well, I'm not a big sandwich guy, but I'm sure I have opinions on it.

00:08:49Guest:Do you think a hot dog is a sandwich?

00:08:56Marc:You're nodding your head no?

00:08:57Marc:Like you're trying to bait me.

00:09:01Marc:You asked me that question as you were nodding no, like I'm playing along with you.

00:09:06Marc:Because my first impulse when he said that, when I pictured it, I was like, oh yeah, it is a sandwich.

00:09:11Guest:Okay.

00:09:12Marc:Why?

00:09:12Guest:Well, some people are arguing that it's not a sandwich.

00:09:15Guest:A lot of people are arguing that it's not a sandwich.

00:09:18Guest:John Hodgman called me out on his podcast just the other day because he's arguing that it is not a sandwich.

00:09:24Guest:He says that it's a unity.

00:09:25Guest:You would never cut it in half.

00:09:27Guest:Therefore, it's not a sandwich.

00:09:28Marc:Right.

00:09:29Guest:He says a sandwich is something you would cut in half.

00:09:31Guest:He says by that logic, a cheeseburger is not a sandwich.

00:09:34Marc:Wait, a sandwich is something you can cut in half?

00:09:36Guest:Right.

00:09:37Guest:He says that a hot dog is its own thing.

00:09:38Guest:It's its own category because you would never cut it in half.

00:09:41Marc:What's the history of the hot dog?

00:09:42Marc:Have you done any research?

00:09:43Marc:I imagine it was like some sort of evolution of sausages and a way to eat them more practically.

00:09:49Marc:It was probably an American thing to add the role.

00:09:52Guest:Yes, but my definition of a sandwich, I look to the Earl of Sandwich.

00:09:56Guest:Oh, really?

00:09:57Guest:Yes, who invented the sandwich.

00:09:59Guest:So I look to the way he defined the sandwich.

00:10:01Marc:Yes, how did he define it?

00:10:03Guest:Well, I mean, he didn't define it, but he wanted a food that he could pick up a hunk of meat and put it between two pieces of bread and eat it with his hands.

00:10:10Marc:Yeah.

00:10:11Guest:So I'm a strict constructionist.

00:10:13Guest:I've been dubbed the Scalia of Sandwiches.

00:10:15Marc:Oh, I don't know if that's good.

00:10:18Marc:Are there any liberals on the court?

00:10:19No.

00:10:19Guest:Well, they're called the living sandwichdom contingent.

00:10:23Guest:They believe that the definition of a sandwich evolves over time and changes with the times.

00:10:28Guest:So to me, the definition of a sandwich is you got to be able to pick it up and eat it without your hands touching the fillings.

00:10:34Marc:Where do you stand on the Monte Cristo?

00:10:37Guest:That's a sandwich.

00:10:38Marc:Yeah.

00:10:39Marc:It's like two pieces of French toast, right?

00:10:40Marc:Right, but that's like, well, what if you want to put a little syrup on there?

00:10:43Marc:It's kind of hard to pick up French toast, isn't it?

00:10:44Marc:It's like sticky and eggy sometimes.

00:10:46Guest:I mean, it can be- You can't really pick it up.

00:10:48Guest:It could be a messy sandwich.

00:10:49Marc:Yeah, but I don't know if they're really made to be picked up, Monte Cristo.

00:10:53Guest:What, are you eating it with a fork and knife?

00:10:54Marc:Yeah.

00:10:55Marc:No?

00:10:56Guest:I mean, I wouldn't.

00:10:57Marc:When was the last time you had Monte Cristo?

00:10:59Guest:12 years ago.

00:11:00Marc:Okay.

00:11:01Guest:What about this?

00:11:02Guest:At TGI Fridays.

00:11:03Marc:Really?

00:11:03Guest:Yeah.

00:11:04Marc:Well, maybe they didn't make it right.

00:11:05Marc:All right, fine.

00:11:06Marc:How about this?

00:11:06Marc:I worked at a deli.

00:11:07Marc:They made a sandwich that was two potato latkes with brisket in the middle.

00:11:13Guest:That's a sandwich.

00:11:15Marc:You're going to pick up potato latkes?

00:11:16Marc:Sure.

00:11:17Guest:Oh, how do you normally eat potato latkes?

00:11:19Marc:With a knife and fork.

00:11:22Marc:How do you eat pancakes?

00:11:24Marc:Do you just put your face in them?

00:11:26Guest:But a pancake is much bigger than a latke and it's floppy.

00:11:29Guest:A potato latke.

00:11:30Marc:But a latke can be many sizes.

00:11:32Marc:I've seen some pretty big fucking latkes.

00:11:34Guest:I mean, look, if it's the size of a plate and it's an inch thick, then I suppose maybe then.

00:11:38Marc:You're talking about the little silver dollar latkes?

00:11:40Guest:Yeah.

00:11:40Guest:And most latkes I've seen are like the size of a chip.

00:11:45Guest:Maybe a little bit bigger.

00:11:46Marc:All right.

00:11:46Marc:Well, okay.

00:11:47Marc:So what's your point?

00:11:48Guest:My point is that people need to understand what is and is not a sandwich.

00:11:51Marc:So a hot dog's a sandwich.

00:11:52Guest:I would argue that it is.

00:11:53Guest:What about a burrito?

00:11:54Marc:No, it's not a sandwich.

00:11:55Marc:Thank you.

00:11:56Marc:It's a burrito.

00:11:57Marc:Right.

00:11:57Marc:It's a wrap.

00:11:58Marc:No, it's a burrito.

00:11:59Marc:Wraps are post-burrito.

00:12:00Guest:A burrito is a type of wrap.

00:12:02Marc:No, a burrito is a burrito.

00:12:03Marc:Wraps were invented by some idiot who said, why can't we make a sandwich like a burrito?

00:12:08Guest:It's just that we came up with an English word to describe a type of food that existed for a very long time.

00:12:13Guest:Like all over the world, there's foods that are wrapped in something.

00:12:15Marc:Dude, dude, dude.

00:12:16Guest:What?

00:12:16Marc:A burrito is a burrito.

00:12:18Marc:Okay?

00:12:19Marc:A wrap is a wrap.

00:12:21Marc:What verb would you- You don't call a burrito a wrap.

00:12:24Marc:You're like racist.

00:12:29Guest:What verb would you use to describe the act of assembling a burrito?

00:12:35Marc:Rolling up stuff in a tortilla.

00:12:39Guest:Would you also say that it's accurate to say that you wrap up a burrito?

00:12:43Guest:Nope.

00:12:43Guest:Why not?

00:12:44Marc:Because you don't.

00:12:45Marc:I would never use the word wrap for anything.

00:12:47Marc:Even for a wrap, I'd say you're rolling stuff up.

00:12:49Marc:So a wrap is a sandwich to you?

00:12:51Guest:No, no, a wrap is a wrap.

00:12:53Marc:Right.

00:12:53Guest:And a burrito is a wrap.

00:12:55Marc:Burritos until recently were not meant to be eaten with your hands.

00:12:59Guest:How are they meant to be eaten?

00:13:00Marc:On a plate.

00:13:01Guest:No, burrito is a classic snack or street food type thing.

00:13:04Guest:No, it's not.

00:13:05Marc:No, it's not.

00:13:06Marc:A taco is a classic street food.

00:13:08Marc:Burritos, I think, traditionally, most of the time are served wet with sauce on them on a plate.

00:13:15Marc:That's what I believe.

00:13:15Guest:Well, it depends on LA versus San Francisco style.

00:13:18Marc:Well, San Francisco burrito's different.

00:13:19Marc:Then you wrap it in tinfoil.

00:13:21Marc:What'd you say?

00:13:22Marc:You do what with it, Mark?

00:13:23Marc:You wrap a burrito in tinfoil.

00:13:25Marc:You wrap a burrito in tinfoil.

00:13:29Marc:That's what tinfoil does.

00:13:30Marc:It wraps things.

00:13:30Marc:If you wrap- Tortillas don't wrap things.

00:13:32Guest:You're wrapping it in a tortilla.

00:13:34Marc:Nah, nah, nah.

00:13:35Marc:Thin.

00:13:36Guest:Oh, you walked right into that one.

00:13:39Marc:The funny thing that's great about you is that at some point in a moment, you decide you've won something.

00:13:45Marc:And then there's no real discussion.

00:13:47Marc:We have foils for rapping.

00:13:49Guest:What I think is interesting, especially because I've run into a lot of resistance.

00:13:53Guest:Because the word rap is associated with sort of like shitty...

00:13:56Guest:american like sandwich wraps that i get like those are often crappy and and there's so many amazing burritos especially out here on the west coast right so people get upset because they think of the word wrap it defines this like shitty american food that was invented in the 80s yeah and therefore it's an insult to really good burritos but you need to separate your negative opinions about shitty american sandwich wraps and just look at it from a

00:14:21Guest:a lexicological perspective.

00:14:23Marc:Yeah, I know, but why homogenize it?

00:14:25Marc:Why can't you just let a burrito be a burrito?

00:14:29Guest:If we're just talking about terms for the types of food, like just terminology, just classifying foods, because I do think this is important because when you look at a menu, words need to mean something.

00:14:39Guest:We use words to explain foods, and that's important.

00:14:41Guest:And so my point is forget what you're putting inside it.

00:14:46Marc:Yeah.

00:14:47Guest:Like, there's a million different things you can put inside a sandwich.

00:14:49Guest:It's still a sandwich.

00:14:51Marc:Yeah.

00:14:51Guest:There's a million different things you can put inside a wrap.

00:14:53Guest:It's still a wrap.

00:14:54Guest:Peking duck, when it's all wrapped up, is a wrap.

00:14:58Marc:Have you had a Peking duck wrap?

00:15:00Guest:That term is redundant.

00:15:02Marc:Why?

00:15:03Guest:Because when you have Peking duck, it is wrapped.

00:15:05Guest:Like to say, oh, I'm going to eat a burrito wrap.

00:15:07Guest:You wouldn't say I'm going to eat a burrito wrap.

00:15:09Guest:You just have to eat a burrito.

00:15:10Marc:Right.

00:15:10Guest:But it's understood by me, at least, that a burrito is a type of wrap.

00:15:14Marc:Fine.

00:15:15Marc:So if you're looking to categorize things, but a Peking duck is not a wrap.

00:15:20Marc:It's served with little pancakes.

00:15:21Guest:Right, but once you wrap it up in the pancake, that becomes a wrap.

00:15:24Marc:Kind of just more of taco feel.

00:15:26Guest:A soft taco wrap.

00:15:27Marc:Yeah, not a wrap.

00:15:28Marc:I don't know what you hung up on.

00:15:29Marc:Is this a new chapter?

00:15:34Guest:There's one more thing I wanted to ask you about.

00:15:36Guest:So you and I got a slice of pizza in Huntington before your gig there, and you were telling me about some L.A.

00:15:47Guest:pizza place you were dissatisfied with.

00:15:48Marc:Yeah, that got me in trouble.

00:15:50Guest:What?

00:15:51Guest:So what happened?

00:15:52Guest:Tell me about it.

00:15:54Marc:They actually stepped up their game.

00:15:55Marc:The last time I had a slice there, it was better.

00:15:57Marc:But I ultimately ended just alienating my neighbors.

00:16:01Marc:Like it was just bad vibes.

00:16:03Marc:So what did you- Because people liked that place.

00:16:05Marc:The thing is, pizza becomes this weird personal thing.

00:16:07Marc:And I don't think that culturally pizza is as important to Angelenos as it is to New Yorkers or people from Chicago.

00:16:13Marc:I think that really, that's where that happens.

00:16:16Marc:Everything else kind of grows from there.

00:16:18Marc:Like either you're going to get deep dish or you're not, you can get Sicilian or you're not, or you can get, you know, just a regular slice.

00:16:24Marc:And now there's, you know, these wood oven pizzas and stuff, but there is this sort of like idea of what a slice should be in New York.

00:16:31Marc:And there is an idea of what a deep dish pizza should be in Chicago.

00:16:35Marc:And that's where they're invented.

00:16:36Marc:Everything sort of kind of,

00:16:38Marc:It pales to that, no matter how much they try.

00:16:40Marc:I don't know if it's water or what, or if it's just my disposition.

00:16:43Marc:But what I'm saying is that people out here don't know better.

00:16:46Guest:Right.

00:16:46Marc:And if they are New Yorkers, they're like, well, this is close enough.

00:16:48Marc:I'm like, I don't know.

00:16:49Marc:Is it?

00:16:49Marc:You know?

00:16:50Guest:Yeah.

00:16:50Guest:Something that I find so interesting about regional foods, like certain ones, like I get why you can't get great lobster in Oklahoma.

00:16:57Marc:Yeah.

00:16:57Marc:You know.

00:16:58Marc:It's frozen.

00:16:59Guest:Right.

00:16:59Marc:Tails.

00:17:00Marc:But like- But they show live ones get shipped, and they have tanks in some places.

00:17:03Guest:Yeah.

00:17:04Guest:But you know, like-

00:17:05Guest:For the foods where freshness is really an issue, I can understand that.

00:17:11Guest:But things like barbecue or pizza, I don't understand.

00:17:16Guest:Every once in a while, I don't understand why.

00:17:20Guest:There's obviously a lot of people in LA.

00:17:21Guest:There's a lot of transplanted New Yorkers.

00:17:23Guest:I don't understand why.

00:17:25Guest:I hear this Pizzeria Moza is amazing here in L.A.

00:17:29Guest:It's a Nancy Silverton place.

00:17:30Guest:I haven't been there.

00:17:31Guest:It's supposed to be great.

00:17:31Guest:But I don't understand why certain regional foods can't.

00:17:35Marc:Well, sometimes it's water.

00:17:36Marc:The complaint out here about bagels and why New York bagels are so much better is that there's something about the water.

00:17:41Guest:I interviewed a bagel historian who looked into that.

00:17:44Guest:She said it's unlikely.

00:17:46Guest:Ha, ha, ha.

00:17:46Guest:She talked to a scientist in Kansas.

00:17:48Marc:Then they got to figure this shit out.

00:17:50Guest:What she said is that it's more to do with the fact that you have this high... It's almost like a free market thing.

00:17:57Guest:Because there's more competition and more experience and more of a tradition there, you get the best people there and the expectations of the customers are higher.

00:18:06Guest:Right, and also there's turnover.

00:18:07Guest:Right.

00:18:08Marc:And there's also a palate for it that like, you know, like eventually people get used to garbage.

00:18:14Marc:You know, there's plenty of people that are like, I like Einstein's bagels the best.

00:18:17Marc:I'm like, really?

00:18:18Marc:Yeah.

00:18:19Marc:Right.

00:18:19Marc:So it is about sort of like expectation.

00:18:21Marc:And eventually people are like, well, this is the best we can do here.

00:18:23Guest:But I wouldn't get barbecue, really.

00:18:26Marc:I don't get barbecue in places that aren't known for barbecue.

00:18:28Marc:I know there's a million, but I won't do it.

00:18:30Guest:But all the time you hear this story of like, you know, oh, this guy went down to Texas and trained for a year and he brought the smoker with him and then he still can't.

00:18:39Marc:That's because it's like, I hate to break it to you, a lot of food is about presentation and environment.

00:18:44Marc:You know what I mean?

00:18:45Marc:Like, it's not about just sort of like, you know, knowing the skill necessarily.

00:18:50Marc:Like, you know, when I drive out to Opie's when I'm in Austin and everyone goes to Lockhart to one of those, to Black's or Smitty's or to- Crate's Market is the other one in Lockhart?

00:18:59Guest:Crate's, yeah.

00:19:00Marc:Or they go out to the Salt Lake.

00:19:02Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:03Marc:But, like, I'll go the other way to Spicewood just because some woman who was actually a food critic in Austin for a million years, like, turned me on to Opie's, and I'll drive the other way to Spicewood, and there's nothing out there.

00:19:12Marc:And about 30 minutes into your drive, you pull up on this place.

00:19:15Marc:It looks like a barn.

00:19:16Marc:And you go in, and they've got free beans, butter beans, regular beans, the bread, all the fixings there.

00:19:22Marc:And you walk in, and there's an old smoker that's not in operation, but they take the cooked meats and throw them in there.

00:19:28Marc:So you walk in, it's like an open casket.

00:19:29Marc:Like as you walk in, someone comes up and opens it and you see all the meat they have for the day.

00:19:33Marc:It's a fucking slab of brisket, bunch of ribs, whatever.

00:19:36Marc:What do you want?

00:19:37Marc:And then they'll take it with a giant fork and they'll walk it over to the scales and hit it.

00:19:40Marc:And for me, the experience of that and it's all served on paper wrappers.

00:19:45Marc:And I know that a lot of places do that.

00:19:46Marc:And I know a lot of people love Franklin's.

00:19:48Marc:But you get to a certain level of brisket, certainly in that area, where it's all pretty high.

00:19:53Marc:Right.

00:19:54Marc:And the other things that, you know, then you're talking about sides and you're talking about desserts and then you're talking about the ribs and some places don't have beef ribs.

00:20:00Marc:Some places do.

00:20:01Marc:But for me, the experience of driving to Opie's and coming upon it and knowing that it's not a lot of people go that way because they're going to go the other way.

00:20:09Marc:You want to feel like you know something that other people don't, a place you go to.

00:20:14Marc:Loyalty, there's something to be said about it.

00:20:16Marc:And some of that defines your taste.

00:20:18Marc:And if you're loyal to something that is good and does have integrity, I mean, it's almost like a belief system.

00:20:25Marc:So how are you going to argue with that?

00:20:26Marc:It's like saying there's no God, you know?

00:20:28Guest:I just don't understand why these regional foods at this point in culture and technology can't be replicated properly.

00:20:35Guest:far from where they originated.

00:20:37Guest:And yes, you're right.

00:20:38Guest:No, I think they probably can.

00:20:39Guest:It's probably never going to be the same.

00:20:40Guest:I get it.

00:20:41Guest:Nothing in LA or New York or almost any other place is going to be the same as driving half an hour through the middle of nowhere in Texas and coming upon a barn and having them open up.

00:20:50Guest:That's a magical experience.

00:20:52Guest:You're never going to get that experience.

00:20:53Marc:I think a lot of that is magic.

00:20:54Marc:I think that a lot of people know that, you know, where you get sort of presentation.

00:20:59Marc:And even when you go to restaurants where you like that's the whole meal, you can't even understand why it's so rich and satisfying if it's really beautifully done.

00:21:06Marc:There's a lot about presentation and about environment that that that is all part of the culinary experience.

00:21:11Marc:And there's all different levels of that.

00:21:13Marc:And I'm not saying that some of these places that pop up with the guy who did trained with the guy and brought the smoker and all that stuff, you know, isn't great.

00:21:21Marc:But a lot of times it really comes down to turnover.

00:21:25Marc:Like, you know, if you open a barbecue place and you're not selling a brisket every day and that thing sitting around for three days.

00:21:31Marc:You know, it might not be that good after a while.

00:21:33Marc:It starts to dry out.

00:21:34Marc:So I think a lot of times it's relative to that.

00:21:37Marc:How much food do they want to throw out?

00:21:38Marc:How much are they really serving?

00:21:39Marc:That's why delis in New York only work in New York because there's an actual market for it.

00:21:45Marc:And they can go through two things of brisket, two corned beefs a day, and everything's fresh that morning.

00:21:50Marc:It means something.

00:21:52Guest:Yeah, I think I'm going to go get a wrap, by which I mean burrito.

00:21:54Guest:Don't you- You want to come?

00:21:57Marc:Not if you're going to talk like that about ethnic people.

00:22:01Guest:I'm going to Allen B's in Boyle Heights.

00:22:03Marc:What is that?

00:22:04Guest:It's an amazing burrito place.

00:22:05Guest:Evan Kleinman from the podcast Good Food turned me on to it.

00:22:08Guest:She's here in LA.

00:22:09Guest:Yeah.

00:22:10Guest:And they've been around since the 60s, third generation, and they got refried beans, best refried beans I've ever had in my life.

00:22:16Marc:Oh, yeah?

00:22:17Guest:Cook them for like 16 hours.

00:22:18Marc:See, that's good.

00:22:19Guest:And you can't get that anywhere else.

00:22:22Marc:Exactly.

00:22:23Guest:Yeah.

00:22:23Marc:All right.

00:22:23Marc:So I feel like we agreed more than disagreed.

00:22:26Guest:It's all right.

00:22:26Guest:That's good.

00:22:27Guest:I think that's good for our relationship.

00:22:28Marc:Yeah.

00:22:28Marc:But don't call it a wrap.

00:22:30Marc:I dare you to go to Alan B's and go, can I have the wrap?

00:22:33Marc:Are you going to do that?

00:22:34Guest:Probably not.

00:22:35Marc:You're definitely not.

00:22:37Guest:Right.

00:22:37Marc:Right.

00:22:37Marc:Which means that the whole wrap thing's bullshit.

00:22:39Guest:I do think that it's an appropriate classification, but like burrito is a more specific term than wrap.

00:22:44Guest:Wrap is an umbrella term.

00:22:46Guest:Burrito is specific.

00:22:47Guest:So you wouldn't go to a burrito joint and say, can I have a wrap?

00:22:49Guest:That's like going to a cheeseburger, a burger place and saying, can I have a sandwich?

00:22:53Guest:A burger is a type of sandwich.

00:22:54Marc:All right.

00:22:55Marc:Well, you know what?

00:22:55Marc:What?

00:22:56Marc:It's a wrap.

00:23:00Marc:Thanks, Dan.

00:23:01Guest:Thanks, Mark.

00:23:02Guest:Take it easy, buddy.

00:23:07Marc:And if you want to hear more of that, folks, I'm on one of the latest episodes of the Sporkful podcast, and you'll hear a lot of great stuff on there, like Dan doing his thing with Ron Funches and Jim Gaffigan and Wyatt Sinek and a lot more.

00:23:20Marc:All right, check it out.

00:23:21Marc:Check it out at sporkful.com.

00:23:25Marc:I did watch a couple movies again on the plane.

00:23:28Marc:I watched The Departed again.

00:23:29Marc:I think this is the third time, and I like it much better.

00:23:33Marc:I think I kind of have pulled the whole story together.

00:23:35Marc:I couldn't seem to pull it all together.

00:23:39Marc:You know, DiCaprio, Matt Damon...

00:23:41Marc:great actors and that woman what's her name famiglia or from what's her name vera farmiga that's her name those scenes with her and those two guys fucking outstanding and then i watched wolf of wall street again holy shit i remember talking about the movie when it came out i still love it i love it every time i see it just this greed fueled cash testosterone fucking insanity

00:24:07Marc:And DiCaprio is great again.

00:24:08Marc:Why am I doing movie reviews of movies that are years old?

00:24:11Marc:Does it matter?

00:24:12Marc:Does it matter?

00:24:14Marc:Jack Nicholson in The Departed.

00:24:15Marc:A little clownish.

00:24:16Marc:A little clownish.

00:24:18Marc:All right, so those are some fresh, relevant movie reviews for you.

00:24:22Marc:mike epps came by he's currently in the show survivor's remorse on stars uh you know he's a guy that you know started in comedy and now he's going to be playing richard prior and i think we we did all right in the garage so this is me and mike epps talking in the garage

00:24:43Marc:We'll be right back.

00:24:59Marc:What was that car?

00:25:01Marc:I don't know.

00:25:02Marc:Come on, was it a Ferrari?

00:25:03Marc:What was that thing?

00:25:04Marc:Probably a Ferrari, yeah.

00:25:06Marc:How many cars you got?

00:25:08Guest:I got about seven cars.

00:25:10Marc:You like cars?

00:25:11Marc:I like cars.

00:25:12Guest:That Mustang you just pulled up in, yellow.

00:25:14Guest:Yeah, yellow Mustang.

00:25:16Guest:Is that a V8?

00:25:18Guest:I don't know what that is.

00:25:19Guest:That's a rental car right there.

00:25:21Guest:Because I flew in to LA yesterday and I needed to be somewhere and I live way in the valley.

00:25:30Guest:Right.

00:25:31Guest:And I just got a rental car.

00:25:33Guest:I said, fuck it.

00:25:35Guest:So I could take care of the stuff I need to take care of and then I'm out.

00:25:38Guest:Oh, because you got to leave again?

00:25:39Guest:I leave out on Thursday nights.

00:25:41Guest:Yeah.

00:25:41Guest:And I go do stand up on a weekend and then I come back on Monday and then I'm.

00:25:45Guest:How's the how's the stand up?

00:25:48Guest:Man, I've been doing it so long, Mark.

00:25:50Guest:I know.

00:25:50Guest:I got a TV show coming up now on ABC called Uncle Buck.

00:25:55Guest:They're doing another Uncle Buck?

00:25:57Guest:Well, they're doing a black Uncle Buck.

00:25:59Marc:A black Uncle Buck.

00:26:00Marc:Finally.

00:26:02Guest:Finally got a black Uncle Buck.

00:26:03Marc:We got a black all in the family, and now we got a black Uncle Buck.

00:26:07Marc:You and Gerard Carmichael.

00:26:11Marc:Yeah.

00:26:11Marc:Are you Uncle Buck?

00:26:13Marc:I'm Uncle Buck.

00:26:13Marc:Really?

00:26:14Marc:Yeah.

00:26:14Guest:You're fucking working hard, dude.

00:26:16Guest:I'm trying, man.

00:26:17Guest:What do you mean you're trying?

00:26:18Guest:You're in everything.

00:26:19Guest:I got so many kids now, and I got to ride through the hood and wave shit.

00:26:24Guest:How many kids?

00:26:26Guest:I got four now.

00:26:28Guest:Okay.

00:26:29Guest:Yeah.

00:26:29Guest:Not bad.

00:26:30Guest:You planning on more?

00:26:31Guest:Four on a possible.

00:26:32Guest:Yeah?

00:26:32Guest:Like a spades game.

00:26:36Marc:So what?

00:26:36Marc:Well, I just, I don't do a lot of research, but I just got online.

00:26:39Marc:What the fuck happened in Phoenix?

00:26:41Guest:Oh, man, some dude was drunk, and, you know.

00:26:45Guest:Yeah.

00:26:45Guest:You know, that's what happens at these comedy shows sometimes.

00:26:49Guest:Yeah.

00:26:49Guest:You can't control what happens.

00:26:51Guest:I know.

00:26:51Marc:So you just did it, you were just on stage?

00:26:53Guest:Because I don't know who's coming in to see me, you know?

00:26:56Marc:I know that club, though.

00:26:56Marc:You did the Tuesday night where you do a door deal and just go try some shit out, and they open the room up.

00:27:01Guest:No.

00:27:01Marc:Was it a weekend?

00:27:03Guest:Yeah, it was a weekend.

00:27:04Marc:Oh, really?

00:27:04Marc:Yeah.

00:27:05Marc:And you just, you said it pretty, like, not even that insulting.

00:27:09Yeah.

00:27:09Marc:Right?

00:27:10Guest:No, I just called him a hootie and a blowfish.

00:27:12Marc:And the guy got... You don't know what the hell people are going through on any given day?

00:27:16Guest:No, you don't, man.

00:27:17Marc:What they're bringing into the room?

00:27:18Marc:No, you don't.

00:27:19Marc:And I mean, you know... And then you stepped away and shit got crazy.

00:27:23Guest:Well, he stepped away and it got crazy.

00:27:25Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:27Marc:But everything worked out?

00:27:28Marc:He's all right?

00:27:28Guest:You don't know?

00:27:29Guest:I don't know.

00:27:30Guest:I'm here with Mark Mearn, baby.

00:27:33Guest:Where did you start out, dude?

00:27:34Guest:I started out, I'm from Indianapolis, Indiana, originally.

00:27:38Guest:Really?

00:27:38Guest:Yeah, I started out there.

00:27:41Guest:I remember, was that Chicken Patties Club?

00:27:44Marc:Did you know them?

00:27:45Marc:Uh-uh.

00:27:46Marc:Yeah, they had that club downtown, very long room, the Comedy Connection, maybe it was called back in the day.

00:27:53Marc:Crackers.

00:27:53Marc:Crackers and Broad Ripple.

00:27:55Marc:I know that place.

00:27:56Marc:They had that place, too.

00:27:56Marc:That's where I used to get down at.

00:27:58Marc:Oh, really?

00:27:59Marc:Crackers, yeah.

00:28:00Marc:So you grew up in Indianapolis?

00:28:01Marc:Uh-huh.

00:28:02Marc:How many people in the family?

00:28:03Guest:I got seven brothers and one sister.

00:28:06Guest:Holy shit.

00:28:07Guest:So, you know, I didn't really start eating real good meals until I got grown, until I could afford my own.

00:28:13Guest:And where are you in the lineup?

00:28:15Guest:In the middle.

00:28:15Marc:Oh, really?

00:28:16Marc:Yeah.

00:28:16Marc:Well, that's better than either end, I guess.

00:28:19Marc:It is.

00:28:19Marc:So you got a brother that's like, what, 70?

00:28:21Guest:Yeah.

00:28:23Guest:He's in his mid-200s.

00:28:24Guest:And then I got a little brother that's... My oldest brother's 54.

00:28:31Guest:Yeah.

00:28:32Guest:And my youngest is 30-something.

00:28:35Guest:Yeah.

00:28:35Guest:And you're in touch with all of them?

00:28:36Guest:Yeah, I'll talk to them.

00:28:37Guest:I mean, as of lately, I haven't been in touch with them because they want money all the time.

00:28:43Guest:Is that true?

00:28:43Guest:Yeah, man.

00:28:45Yeah.

00:28:45Guest:i mean they can't help the relationship uh they can't help it being i gotta ask him for something right right there's no way that they're gonna be be in touch with me and not really yeah is that but that must get a little annoying i guess you you seem to have you have some empathy about it you understand it i do yeah i understand it and um but you know i don't i don't allow it to go on right now

00:29:12Guest:They got me these first couple years when I got in the show business.

00:29:15Guest:And now I'm like, I'm grown.

00:29:18Guest:Hey, man, I ain't got no extra money.

00:29:20Guest:Right.

00:29:20Marc:There's no extra money.

00:29:21Marc:I've built a life that requires money now.

00:29:23Guest:That's right.

00:29:24Marc:Yeah.

00:29:25Guest:And the tax man requires money.

00:29:27Marc:It's like that Richard Pryor bit.

00:29:28Marc:I always like that one line where he goes back to Peoria and all the people that used to hang out at the place where they go, you got a dollar?

00:29:37Marc:Give me a dollar.

00:29:38Marc:You're still doing that shit you used to do right here.

00:29:40Guest:You're still doing that same shit you used to do right here.

00:29:42Marc:Give me a dollar.

00:29:43Marc:Yeah, give me a dollar.

00:29:45Marc:I always thought that was like a pretty astute bit.

00:29:49Marc:It is.

00:29:50Marc:So when did you start doing it?

00:29:51Marc:How old were you?

00:29:53Guest:Probably about 18.

00:29:54Marc:Yeah, and what made you do it?

00:29:56Marc:What inspired you to do stand-up?

00:29:58Guest:Well, I was always a class clown, you know.

00:29:59Guest:Yeah.

00:30:00Guest:So I didn't graduate from high school, so.

00:30:02Marc:You didn't?

00:30:03Marc:You bailed?

00:30:04Guest:I bailed out.

00:30:05Guest:Why?

00:30:05Guest:It wasn't for me.

00:30:07Guest:Yeah.

00:30:07Guest:You know, school is, teachers breast smell like coffee every day.

00:30:11Yeah.

00:30:12Marc:You're not supposed to be kissing the teacher.

00:30:13Guest:Yeah, I'm not.

00:30:15Guest:And they're sitting there teaching me stuff that I'm like, am I really going to need this shit when I get grown?

00:30:21Marc:Yeah.

00:30:22Guest:And now I really need it.

00:30:25Marc:What?

00:30:25Marc:You need algebra in your life?

00:30:26Guest:I need all that.

00:30:27Guest:You know, that's really crazy.

00:30:29Guest:My mother told me.

00:30:29Guest:She was like, go to school.

00:30:30Guest:I was like, why?

00:30:31Guest:She said, because you're going to need that later on in life.

00:30:34Guest:And I'm like, okay.

00:30:35Marc:What do you think you don't have?

00:30:38Guest:I could tell you what.

00:30:40Guest:I could tell.

00:30:40Guest:I tell kids this all the time.

00:30:42Guest:I'm like, you know what?

00:30:45Guest:School teaches you about, it's life.

00:30:49Marc:Yeah.

00:30:49Guest:Because now that I'm an adult and I'm in show business, it's the same shit.

00:30:53Guest:Yeah.

00:30:53Guest:It feels like a big high school.

00:30:54Guest:Sure.

00:30:55Guest:You know what I mean?

00:30:56Marc:Yeah, there's cliques and there's people out to get you.

00:30:58Guest:Oh, man.

00:30:59Marc:And there's bullies and there's a couple of people you can trust and then they go away.

00:31:03Guest:It's really life.

00:31:04Guest:High school prepares you for that.

00:31:05Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:31:05Marc:Never ends.

00:31:06Marc:High school never fucking ends.

00:31:07Guest:Never ends.

00:31:08Marc:It's even worse now because people can gossip on Twitter.

00:31:11Marc:Yeah.

00:31:11Marc:So like now that you're going to high school, the high school is like, you know, three million people and you never know which fucker is out to get you.

00:31:17Marc:Mm-hmm.

00:31:18Guest:Yeah, it's crazy, right?

00:31:19Guest:Yeah.

00:31:19Marc:So you drop out what?

00:31:21Marc:11th grade?

00:31:22Marc:10th?

00:31:22Marc:9th.

00:31:24Marc:You made it like half a year and you're like, fuck this.

00:31:27Guest:I couldn't do it, man.

00:31:28Guest:Did you work?

00:31:29Guest:I tried.

00:31:30Guest:I tried to work a couple jobs.

00:31:31Guest:Yeah, it was really dead end.

00:31:35Guest:You know?

00:31:35Marc:Yeah.

00:31:36Guest:And then I tried to hang in the streets a little bit.

00:31:39Guest:Yeah?

00:31:40Guest:Weren't cut out for it?

00:31:41Guest:Weren't cut out for it.

00:31:43Guest:Yeah, what happened?

00:31:44Guest:Went to prison.

00:31:45Guest:Did you?

00:31:46Guest:Yeah.

00:31:46Guest:How old were you?

00:31:47Guest:18.

00:31:49Guest:For what?

00:31:49Guest:19.

00:31:50Guest:Selling drugs.

00:31:51Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:31:52Guest:Which one?

00:31:52Guest:Wanted to be a drug dealer.

00:31:53Guest:Cocaine.

00:31:54Marc:Yeah?

00:31:55Marc:So you were selling coke for some other dude and you got hit?

00:31:59Guest:Yeah, that's what made me leave town.

00:32:01Guest:I ended up owing this guy a bunch of money.

00:32:03Marc:Yeah.

00:32:04Guest:And he was looking for me.

00:32:05Guest:So, you know, I had a comedy competition one night at this place called, it was a place called, what was the name of that place?

00:32:16Guest:In Indianapolis?

00:32:17Guest:In Indianapolis.

00:32:18Guest:Yeah.

00:32:19Guest:It was a bar and grill.

00:32:20Guest:Uh-huh.

00:32:21Guest:And my buddy, rest in peace, Otis Brown, he said, you know what?

00:32:24Guest:You funny around the barbershop in the neighborhood.

00:32:27Guest:I bet you can't do that shit on stage.

00:32:29Guest:I said, I bet I can.

00:32:30Guest:He said, I'm going to take you up to this contest they have every night.

00:32:34Guest:Yeah.

00:32:35Guest:It was at a place called Clubs of Eels.

00:32:37Guest:That was what it was?

00:32:38Guest:And I went up there, and it was a bar and grill, and it was like 12 comics, and everybody was drunk in the audience, and they booed everybody off.

00:32:47Guest:Uh-huh.

00:32:47Guest:So I signed up.

00:32:49Guest:I was like the 13th act.

00:32:51Guest:I got drunk because I wanted to kill my inner ambition.

00:32:54Guest:Because, you know, if you get drunk, you say some shit that you normally wouldn't say when you normally.

00:32:57Guest:Yeah, you're not afraid.

00:32:58Guest:You're not afraid.

00:32:59Guest:Right.

00:33:00Guest:And what happened?

00:33:01Guest:Killed it?

00:33:02Guest:I killed it.

00:33:03Guest:Really?

00:33:03Guest:I came back the next day, the next week.

00:33:06Guest:Yeah.

00:33:06Guest:not drunk, with a suit on, invited my whole neighborhood family and got booed off.

00:33:15Guest:They was like, go get drunk and come back.

00:33:17Guest:Take the suit off.

00:33:18Guest:I was like, oh, shit.

00:33:20Marc:Do you remember being up there?

00:33:21Marc:What did you just see?

00:33:21Marc:Tell the audience to shut the fuck up and listen?

00:33:24Guest:Oh, man.

00:33:24Guest:I couldn't do nothing.

00:33:25Guest:They booed the shit out of me.

00:33:26Marc:But no, on the first time, what was it?

00:33:28Marc:You just caught you?

00:33:28Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:33:29Guest:The first time I was just drunk and I was just, I don't even remember what I said, but I had people on the floor.

00:33:34Marc:Yeah.

00:33:35Guest:And then the second time I came back trying to celebrate and, uh,

00:33:38Marc:Yeah, the pressure was on.

00:33:40Marc:The pressure was on.

00:33:41Guest:Yeah, that shit was crazy.

00:33:43Guest:I shouldn't have invited them assholes.

00:33:45Marc:Not on the second time.

00:33:46Marc:I don't think I told my parents to come until I was five years in.

00:33:49Marc:I'm not going to make that fucking mistake.

00:33:52Marc:Yeah.

00:33:52Marc:Yeah, so they can go like, you're nothing.

00:33:54Marc:You're nothing.

00:33:55Marc:You can't do nothing.

00:33:56Guest:You ain't shit.

00:33:57Marc:Yeah.

00:33:57Marc:How much time did you do in prison?

00:33:59Guest:About 18 months.

00:34:00Guest:Yeah?

00:34:01Guest:Yeah.

00:34:01Guest:Was it juvie?

00:34:02Guest:Well, I did some juvie time when I was younger, like 14, and then I went to this place called Indiana Youth Center, which is the same prison Mike Tyson was in.

00:34:13Guest:Was he there at the time?

00:34:14Guest:No.

00:34:14Guest:Was that claim to fame?

00:34:16Guest:Thank God.

00:34:16Guest:Mike was here.

00:34:18Guest:Nah, he came after me.

00:34:20Guest:You already graduated.

00:34:21Guest:Yeah, but what's really crazy, the judge who sentenced him sentenced me.

00:34:24Guest:Her name was Patricia Gifford.

00:34:26Guest:Yeah.

00:34:28Marc:Have you reached out to her just to say, like, how am I doing now?

00:34:30Guest:I don't want to see this hag ever in life.

00:34:33Guest:Fuck you, Patricia, if you're listening to this.

00:34:37Marc:But did that teach you a lesson, at least?

00:34:39Marc:Yeah, I haven't been back.

00:34:40Marc:Do you feel that comedy kind of saved your life?

00:34:45Guest:It did, man.

00:34:45Guest:You know, comedy is...

00:34:47Guest:I tell kids all the time, I'm like, you know, find your purpose in life because it can save your life.

00:34:56Guest:And most people who get in trouble and people who fail in life, they really don't find their purpose.

00:35:02Guest:You know, everybody has a talent.

00:35:04Guest:Right.

00:35:04Guest:You just have to find it.

00:35:06Guest:Yeah.

00:35:07Guest:And accept it when a lot of people find their talent and say, oh, I don't want to do that.

00:35:12Guest:It's like, well, that's your calling.

00:35:14Right.

00:35:14Marc:yeah you know they're scared of their calling they want to do some shit that's not their calling right you know yeah so after the second time you went up with the suit what what made you did you feel at that moment you're like this is it even though you bombed that night you're like i'm gonna keep working yeah i went back the next week and i was good yeah so um

00:35:34Guest:I got on a bus, got on a Greyhound bus and moved to Atlanta.

00:35:39Marc:Running from the guy you owed money to?

00:35:40Guest:Yeah.

00:35:41Marc:That was really the reason?

00:35:42Marc:Yeah.

00:35:42Marc:How much did you owe him?

00:35:44Guest:Shit.

00:35:45Guest:$7,500 or some shit.

00:35:46Marc:Oh, so it was some real money?

00:35:47Guest:Yeah, like, fuck.

00:35:49Guest:He was riding past my mother's house.

00:35:51Guest:Really?

00:35:52Guest:He was nice to my mother, but in that way that people- He was trying to get information from her.

00:35:57Guest:Hey, Mr. Reed, how you doing?

00:35:58Guest:Have you seen Mike?

00:36:00Guest:I haven't seen him.

00:36:02Marc:Did you ever make that right?

00:36:03Guest:Yeah.

00:36:04Guest:Oh, you did?

00:36:05Guest:I came back years later and made it right.

00:36:07Guest:Now he's asking me for money.

00:36:09Guest:I'm like, dude, I paid you back twice.

00:36:12Guest:There's no motherfucking money.

00:36:14Marc:So, okay, so you go to Atlanta and that's where it starts?

00:36:17Guest:Yeah.

00:36:18Guest:You know, Def Comedy Jam at the time was inspirational to me.

00:36:22Marc:Who were the guys that you looked up to?

00:36:24Guest:I didn't really look up to none of them.

00:36:26Guest:I liked Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, you know.

00:36:29Marc:Yeah.

00:36:29Guest:But those guys definitely paved the way for me.

00:36:32Guest:The Cedric Entertainers, Chris Tucker, Steve Harvey's of the world.

00:36:36Marc:Tucker lives down there, right?

00:36:37Guest:Yeah.

00:36:38Marc:Yeah.

00:36:39Marc:I saw him recently at a, like I was doing that little room.

00:36:42Marc:They have that laughing skull at the Vortex Burger Place on Peachtree right downtown.

00:36:48Marc:It seats like 75 people.

00:36:50Marc:Damn.

00:36:50Marc:Yeah, it's a good workout room, but I was doing a week there, and he came in to do guest spots.

00:36:54Marc:I hadn't seen him in years.

00:36:56Marc:Damn.

00:36:56Marc:Because he's sort of coming back now, right?

00:36:59Marc:Yeah.

00:37:00Marc:But he was just getting back into it, and it was like, holy shit.

00:37:02Marc:He's still got the energy, man.

00:37:05Guest:Yeah.

00:37:06Guest:I think a real comic, man, you never lose that.

00:37:11Marc:Right.

00:37:11Guest:You lose it.

00:37:12Marc:You get scared.

00:37:13Guest:Yeah.

00:37:14Marc:And then you got to get past the scared again.

00:37:15Guest:Yeah.

00:37:16Marc:You know, like if you don't do it a while, you're like, oh, fuck.

00:37:19Guest:Yeah.

00:37:19Marc:It's like doing open mics again.

00:37:20Marc:But you get up there and you're like, yeah, I can do this.

00:37:23Guest:And that's how comedy is, man.

00:37:25Guest:Comedy is a comedy.

00:37:27Guest:I've always related comedy.

00:37:31Guest:to being a chick.

00:37:33Guest:Yeah.

00:37:33Guest:Because it's like you have to spend time with her.

00:37:38Guest:And if you leave her, she will leave you.

00:37:40Guest:And to get her back, you have to work hard.

00:37:44Guest:Yeah.

00:37:45Guest:And hopefully get her back and do some new stuff.

00:37:47Guest:Do stuff differently.

00:37:48Guest:Yeah.

00:37:50Guest:Comedy's my bitch.

00:37:52Guest:So you got involved with Def Jam?

00:37:54Guest:Yeah, I started doing Deaf Comedy Jam and went on tour, started doing dates, and then I moved to California and auditioned for Next Friday.

00:38:03Guest:With Ice Cube?

00:38:04Guest:With Ice Cube.

00:38:05Marc:So what was it like to come out?

00:38:06Marc:So how long have you been doing comedy before you come out here?

00:38:12Marc:Were you established?

00:38:13Marc:Seven years.

00:38:14Marc:So were you making money doing comedy?

00:38:16Marc:Yeah, a little bit.

00:38:16Marc:But you weren't a draw?

00:38:18Marc:No.

00:38:19Marc:And you were touring with Def Comedy Jam or just on your own?

00:38:22Marc:Def Comedy Jam.

00:38:22Marc:Who was on those bills with you?

00:38:25Marc:Talent?

00:38:26Marc:Yeah.

00:38:27Guest:You know talent.

00:38:28Guest:I remember him.

00:38:29Yeah.

00:38:29Guest:It's just comedy.

00:38:31Guest:No, talent wasn't on the shows.

00:38:33Guest:It was like me, Joe Claire.

00:38:35Guest:Yeah.

00:38:35Guest:It was a guy named Zoo Man.

00:38:37Guest:Zoo Man.

00:38:38Guest:Remember Zoo Man?

00:38:39Guest:I know the name.

00:38:40Guest:What happened to Zoo Man?

00:38:42Guest:Hey, man, you know, this fucking business right here, boy.

00:38:46Guest:Who knows?

00:38:48Guest:Yeah, you never know what, like, you know, you just...

00:38:51Guest:You remember Reggie McFadden?

00:38:52Guest:That was my man.

00:38:53Guest:Yeah.

00:38:54Guest:Oh, you guys were buddies?

00:38:55Guest:Reggie McFadden.

00:38:56Guest:I used to love that guy.

00:38:57Guest:I used to see Reggie on Def Jam before I even got in it.

00:39:00Guest:He was funny, man.

00:39:01Marc:He was.

00:39:02Marc:Yeah, like, I don't know what, like, because I used to see him in New York.

00:39:05Marc:That's where I started.

00:39:05Marc:So I used to see him at the cellar and shit.

00:39:07Marc:And I always saw he was so fucking funny.

00:39:08Marc:And then, like, years go by and see him.

00:39:10Marc:And then someone was like, I think he owns an island.

00:39:12Marc:I think he's like, like, I don't know where he is.

00:39:15Marc:But, like, the last time I saw him, he was talking about diamond mines.

00:39:18Guest:Yeah, he tried to sell that shit to me.

00:39:20Marc:Do you even know what it was?

00:39:22Guest:I didn't know.

00:39:23Guest:He called me out of the blue one day talking about it.

00:39:25Guest:I'm like, dude.

00:39:27Guest:What?

00:39:27Guest:I gotta pay the tax, man.

00:39:28Guest:I ain't got no fucking diamond money.

00:39:30Marc:And he's got like a bunch of kids and like three or four wives.

00:39:32Marc:I don't remember what the mythology was.

00:39:34Marc:I don't know what's true and what isn't.

00:39:36Guest:Reggie was funny though, man.

00:39:38Guest:He was really funny.

00:39:39Guest:You know, and that's the thing, Mark.

00:39:41Guest:I don't understand, you know, I think a lot of comics, performers in itself, they expect

00:39:52Marc:to land something yeah in their in their career and when they don't do it in the time that they want to do it they just say fuck it really i've i've also seen the other thing happen where they don't say fuck it and they just kind of just keep pushing on yeah and you know doing those b rooms and still hanging on to the dream yeah it's i think it's more uh sad man right it's a little more respectable to say fuck it sometimes

00:40:16Marc:I guess so, but Reggie looked like he was happening for a while.

00:40:18Guest:Reggie was funny as hell, man.

00:40:20Guest:I remember seeing Reggie, man.

00:40:22Guest:I mean, having people on the floor, literally, like people bent over.

00:40:26Guest:Yeah.

00:40:26Marc:He'd do that thing about the intercom at his building.

00:40:30Marc:You remember, like, it's all fucked up.

00:40:33Marc:Yeah, and someone just fucks it up because they hate living there.

00:40:36Marc:He was funny.

00:40:37Marc:He was funny, man.

00:40:38Marc:So you used to tour with him a bit?

00:40:40Marc:No, I never toured with Reggie.

00:40:41Marc:You just knew him?

00:40:41Marc:Just knew him.

00:40:42Marc:So you ended seven years.

00:40:43Marc:You come out here.

00:40:44Marc:You get representation.

00:40:45Marc:yep got an agent got a manager still with that guy nah that was it no i didn't been through 90 agents 90 managers you know how this shit is well i do but you're i mean you're a pusher man i mean you really are you know keep going yeah like because you like it's amazing if you really look at your resume just how much shit you've done and how much you've popped up in to get to where you are it wasn't no easy easy thing that so you auditioned for ice cube and what was that like meeting him

00:41:12Guest:It was cool, man.

00:41:13Guest:I'd have been a fan of his, you know, in NWA.

00:41:17Guest:To see him in person, man, I was really starstruck.

00:41:20Guest:I was like, damn, Ice Cube.

00:41:22Guest:Yeah.

00:41:23Guest:And then I did three movies with him.

00:41:25Guest:I did All About the Benjamins next Friday and Friday After Next.

00:41:28Guest:And I did a movie called Janky Promoters with him.

00:41:30Guest:It actually didn't come out.

00:41:32Guest:It didn't come out at all?

00:41:33Guest:It came out on DVD.

00:41:35Guest:But you guys are buddies?

00:41:36Guest:Yeah, you know, we're cool.

00:41:38Guest:You know, we're cool.

00:41:40Guest:You know, we're the kind of friends.

00:41:42Guest:We don't talk all the time, but we've done enough movies and stuff.

00:41:46Guest:We got enough history with each other where we're real cool with each other.

00:41:50Guest:When you see each other, everything's all right.

00:41:52Guest:I don't bug him, you know.

00:41:54Marc:I don't think he's not the kind of guy I think you want to bug for any reason.

00:41:58Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:58Marc:So after all about the measurements, you went on.

00:42:00Marc:And you were one of those guys that always show up in movies.

00:42:03Marc:Yeah, it was Mike Epps.

00:42:04Marc:It was Mike Epps again.

00:42:05Marc:Cameo.

00:42:06Marc:Yeah.

00:42:07Marc:But sometimes, like, if you get that right cameo and you really nail it, it's a big deal, right?

00:42:11Marc:Like The Hangover.

00:42:12Marc:Right.

00:42:12Marc:What was it, the first one?

00:42:14Guest:Yeah.

00:42:14Guest:And the third one.

00:42:15Guest:Yeah.

00:42:16Guest:You were like, that guy.

00:42:17Guest:Black Doug.

00:42:18Guest:Yeah.

00:42:19Guest:Yeah.

00:42:19Guest:Was it fun working with those guys?

00:42:21Guest:It was cool.

00:42:21Guest:I tell people all the time, man, when we did that movie, it was like...

00:42:25Guest:Nobody knew that movie was going to be as big as it was.

00:42:28Guest:Right.

00:42:29Guest:Because nobody really knew who Bradley Cooper was.

00:42:31Guest:Nobody knew who Zach was.

00:42:34Marc:It just blew up.

00:42:35Marc:What's that director's name?

00:42:36Marc:Todd Phillips.

00:42:37Marc:Todd Phillips.

00:42:38Marc:He rolls the dice, that dude.

00:42:41Guest:He rolls.

00:42:42Marc:I'm sorry.

00:42:42Marc:It's all right, buddy.

00:42:44Guest:Am I draining you?

00:42:45Guest:No, no, no, no.

00:42:46Guest:My energy does that.

00:42:48Guest:Around what time?

00:42:49Guest:This time?

00:42:49Guest:Anytime.

00:42:50Guest:Oh, really?

00:42:51Guest:Yeah, it's like.

00:42:52Guest:You get zapped?

00:42:53Guest:No, I'm not tired.

00:42:54Guest:I just get like.

00:42:56Marc:Yeah, I know.

00:42:57Marc:There's that weird yawn that's not because you're tired.

00:42:58Guest:I'll be on TV doing that shit, and I have to stop and be like.

00:43:02Guest:They're like, damn, am I boring?

00:43:04Guest:I'm like, oh, no, hell no.

00:43:05Guest:I stayed up till five this morning.

00:43:08Guest:You were up till five?

00:43:08Guest:Hell yeah.

00:43:09Guest:What are you doing?

00:43:11Guest:Shit.

00:43:12Guest:I went to the screening of Black Mask last night.

00:43:16Guest:Oh, shit.

00:43:17Marc:Is it good?

00:43:18Marc:Gangster.

00:43:19Marc:Really?

00:43:19Guest:Woo!

00:43:20Guest:Really?

00:43:20Guest:I recommend people to go see it.

00:43:23Marc:Oh, fuck, man.

00:43:23Marc:I mean, I love that story.

00:43:25Marc:And dude was, I mean.

00:43:28Marc:Depth?

00:43:29Marc:Good?

00:43:30Marc:Crazy.

00:43:30Marc:Really?

00:43:31Marc:Oh, I'm fucking.

00:43:32Guest:You gotta see that movie, man.

00:43:33Marc:I'm shite, dude.

00:43:33Guest:Gangster.

00:43:34Guest:Really?

00:43:35Marc:Oh, man.

00:43:35Marc:Is it as good as American Gangster?

00:43:37Guest:In the same line.

00:43:41Marc:Oh, yeah?

00:43:42Guest:Yeah.

00:43:42Marc:Oh, that's going to be fucking great.

00:43:44Marc:I love those stories, man.

00:43:45Guest:I do, too.

00:43:45Marc:The true stories.

00:43:46Guest:I couldn't wait to see them.

00:43:47Marc:Yeah.

00:43:48Marc:Who else is in it?

00:43:49Marc:You remember?

00:43:49Marc:Kevin Bacon.

00:43:50Marc:How's he?

00:43:51Marc:Great.

00:43:51Marc:He's always good, right?

00:43:52Guest:Good.

00:43:53Guest:He played the opposite side of what he usually played.

00:43:55Guest:He wasn't a bad guy this time.

00:43:57Marc:Did they go into the whole Brothers, the Bulger Brothers?

00:43:59Guest:Yes.

00:44:00Marc:Oh, man.

00:44:01Marc:I'm fucking psyched.

00:44:02Guest:You better go see it.

00:44:03Marc:I want to see it now.

00:44:04Guest:I think everybody should go see it.

00:44:05Marc:Did you like Straight Outta Compton?

00:44:07Marc:You know what?

00:44:08Guest:Ice Cube invited me to his room one time, and I watched half of it, and I haven't seen it yet, but I've seen it.

00:44:17Guest:I've seen half of it.

00:44:18Guest:Did you like it?

00:44:19Guest:I did.

00:44:20Marc:Yeah, you know what was good for me, and there's also a question for you, is that because I didn't really know that world, because they weren't prominent personalities in my memory, it was all new to me.

00:44:31Marc:So I couldn't be like, nah, Dre wouldn't really look like that.

00:44:33Marc:They all looked enough like him.

00:44:35Guest:So it was good for you.

00:44:36Marc:Right, because I didn't bring any of that baggage to it.

00:44:39Marc:And you got to play Richard Pryor.

00:44:42Marc:Everybody knows Richard Pryor.

00:44:43Marc:That's going to be a hell of a fucking chore, dude.

00:44:47Marc:Are you fucking ready?

00:44:49Marc:I'm born ready.

00:44:51Marc:I'm born ready.

00:44:52Marc:How'd you get that?

00:44:54Marc:Walk me through the audition process of that fucking thing.

00:44:57Guest:I chose to play Richard Pryor about 10 years ago.

00:45:01Guest:He picked me to play him.

00:45:03Guest:You had a relationship with him?

00:45:05Guest:Him and his wife, yeah.

00:45:06Guest:When he was sick?

00:45:07Guest:Yeah, I went to his house, sit with him for a year.

00:45:09Guest:With the second and last wife.

00:45:12Marc:The one that was back.

00:45:13Guest:To double up.

00:45:14Guest:Yeah.

00:45:15Guest:Went and sat with him.

00:45:16Marc:Okay, wait.

00:45:17Marc:So you see him.

00:45:18Marc:How did he know you?

00:45:19Marc:You saw him at the comedy store or something?

00:45:20Marc:I think his wife initially picked me.

00:45:23Marc:For this movie or for a movie?

00:45:26Marc:To play Richard Pryor.

00:45:28Marc:In general?

00:45:28Marc:In general.

00:45:29Marc:He's just like, you're going to be the Richard Pryor guy.

00:45:32Marc:So you sit with Richard, he's in a wheelchair, and what's he say to you?

00:45:34Marc:He's not talking.

00:45:35Guest:because he has multiple sclerosis.

00:45:38Marc:So I was way into it.

00:45:39Guest:Yeah, he was speaking through his eyes, which was really, really crazy.

00:45:45Guest:Oh, man.

00:45:45Guest:Cool, because I could tell some days he didn't want to be bothered.

00:45:50Guest:Some days he did.

00:45:51Marc:They sat you down, and they said you're going to be the guy, but there was no project necessarily.

00:45:56Guest:There was no project.

00:45:58Guest:They had a script.

00:45:59Guest:They had a script, and they got a guy named Bill Condon

00:46:04Marc:I don't even know that guy's name.

00:46:06Guest:He directed Dreamgirls.

00:46:07Guest:Right, right.

00:46:08Guest:A bunch of movies.

00:46:08Marc:Yeah.

00:46:09Guest:And I guess Bill didn't see that.

00:46:12Guest:I guess I wasn't his pick.

00:46:14Guest:Right.

00:46:14Guest:And they picked Marlon Wayans to do it.

00:46:17Marc:This is 10 years ago?

00:46:19Marc:Mm-hmm.

00:46:19Marc:Oh, so, okay.

00:46:21Guest:And movie never happened.

00:46:23Marc:So now this now comes around again for real.

00:46:26Marc:Richard's passed.

00:46:27Marc:Is his wife involved in this script?

00:46:29Marc:Yes, she is.

00:46:30Marc:Every script.

00:46:31Guest:Uh-huh.

00:46:32Guest:What's her name again?

00:46:33Guest:Jennifer Pryor.

00:46:33Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:34Guest:And she's, you know, she's the beneficiary of Richard Pryor.

00:46:40Guest:Yeah.

00:46:40Guest:So anybody that does anything about Richard Pryor got to go through her.

00:46:44Marc:And what's your relationship with her?

00:46:46Guest:She's cool.

00:46:47Guest:Well, at one point she was upset with me, you know.

00:46:52Guest:But Lee Daniels came on to direct the new one.

00:46:57Marc:So what was she mad at you about?

00:46:59Guest:You know.

00:46:59Marc:I don't know.

00:47:01Guest:Never know.

00:47:02Guest:I still don't know to this day.

00:47:06Guest:Shit.

00:47:07Marc:Yeah, she lived with that man for fucking decades.

00:47:09Marc:What the hell could you have done to piss her off?

00:47:12Marc:Nothing, because he was a maniac.

00:47:14Marc:No doubt.

00:47:15Marc:Did you read that fucking book?

00:47:17Marc:Yeah.

00:47:17Marc:The Scott Saul book?

00:47:19Guest:I haven't read that one all the way.

00:47:20Marc:Oh, you gotta read it, dude.

00:47:22Marc:You gotta read it.

00:47:23Marc:Yeah, I'll give it to you if you want it.

00:47:24Marc:No, I got it.

00:47:25Marc:It's such a big-ass book.

00:47:27Marc:You'll run right through it, though, man, if you love Richard, because he does a thing where he just takes it up until the movies, until he goes bad.

00:47:36Marc:Yeah.

00:47:36Marc:He takes it up to about 1980 or whatever.

00:47:39Marc:He goes through maybe Silver Street, and that's the end of it.

00:47:43Marc:So it's really Richard from the birth through him becoming Richard Pryor, and then once it kind of levels off and he's just doing movies for money, he don't do that.

00:47:51Guest:Yeah, that's what the script is, though.

00:47:53Guest:The script that we have is sort of like that.

00:47:57Guest:I read Prior Convictions.

00:47:59Guest:Yeah, I got that.

00:47:59Guest:That's his book.

00:48:00Marc:Yeah.

00:48:01Marc:It's kind of weird.

00:48:01Marc:It's written like a 10-year-old wrote it.

00:48:03Marc:The Prior Convictions.

00:48:04Marc:Yeah, so it's almost sort of childlike in the way he sort of receives his past.

00:48:09Marc:It's kind of a beautiful book.

00:48:10Marc:I got to read both books.

00:48:11Marc:You got to read that Scott Saul book because it'll give you that back story.

00:48:14Marc:Yeah.

00:48:15Yeah.

00:48:15Guest:now when you okay so so what was the audition process you and marlon okay now or you're not i mean you know it is what it is yeah it's the business yeah you know i actually did a cameo and marlon's uh meet this new movie that he's just done so so you're all right yeah we cool he's a gentleman about it and what what was your audition process what'd you have to do i mean you know i think

00:48:42Guest:I think I was picked to play Richard Pryor because I really believe in real life that, you know,

00:48:55Guest:you have people that are reincarnated through other people in some ways.

00:49:02Guest:I could never, ever claim to be as great as that man.

00:49:06Guest:But I think that my life has been parallel to his in many, many ways with the drugs and being in the streets.

00:49:16Guest:And I think a lot of other comics and stuff, they just haven't been through what I've been through.

00:49:22Guest:So...

00:49:23Marc:What was your experience with drugs outside of selling them?

00:49:26Guest:Done drugs.

00:49:27Guest:I've done everything, shit.

00:49:29Marc:Yeah?

00:49:30Guest:Yeah.

00:49:31Guest:I've been an addict.

00:49:33Guest:I'm still an addict.

00:49:34Guest:Yeah.

00:49:35Guest:You know, but the older I get, I manage to... Taper off a little?

00:49:42Guest:Yeah.

00:49:43Marc:What's your drug?

00:49:44Guest:Everything.

00:49:45Guest:Weed.

00:49:46Guest:Yeah.

00:49:47Guest:You know.

00:49:47Marc:Yeah.

00:49:49Guest:I'm just doing weed now.

00:49:50Guest:Yeah?

00:49:51Guest:Yeah, I used to do a lot.

00:49:52Guest:A lot of coke.

00:49:53Guest:A lot of coke.

00:49:54Marc:Get up.

00:49:55Marc:Not to talk about.

00:49:56Guest:Man, most of the movies you've seen me in, I was high in.

00:50:00Guest:Oh, really?

00:50:01Guest:Yeah.

00:50:02Guest:I might be one of all the actors that could do that and still be in an act.

00:50:06Marc:Yeah?

00:50:06Guest:And you wouldn't know it.

00:50:07Marc:i gotta imagine i look at me doing stand-up on coke and it's not good i mean richard could do it but i i'm one of those guys my eyes go up yeah my eyes go some guys no my my mouth doesn't move yours no oh so you you can hold it i'm crazy as fuck though yeah i'm crazy what are you gonna do for the prior role you're gonna use you're gonna do no no no no no no no

00:50:31Guest:I don't have to do that no more.

00:50:34Guest:I'm past that.

00:50:35Marc:You felt like you had to do it?

00:50:36Guest:Yeah, I'm an actor, and I'm good at what I do.

00:50:39Marc:Well, you did make some shift.

00:50:42Marc:I watched Bessie, and you were real sweet in that, man.

00:50:47Marc:I mean, that was some real acting.

00:50:48Guest:Thank you, man.

00:50:49Marc:And what is the process from knowing how to be big and funny to sort of, what was the first movie you did where you challenged yourself to not do that and it was okay?

00:51:03Guest:It was a movie called Sparkle.

00:51:05Guest:I deal with Whitney Houston.

00:51:07Guest:Oh, man.

00:51:08Guest:And it was actually the movie she died in.

00:51:11Guest:But that was the first time I've ever done a role that was really like...

00:51:16Guest:And I played a serious movie.

00:51:18Guest:What was it like working with her?

00:51:19Guest:It was great.

00:51:20Guest:Whitney Houston was such a great artist.

00:51:22Guest:And again, she's, you know.

00:51:24Guest:So sad.

00:51:25Guest:Some of the best, some of the greatest artists in the world, they're troubled, man.

00:51:30Marc:Oh, I know.

00:51:31Guest:You just can't, there's no way around it.

00:51:33Guest:Like, it's almost like that's their sacrifice.

00:51:37Marc:Yeah, well, it's that deal, what you were saying before, is that, you know, when you realize your talent, I think some people avoid their talent so that it doesn't kill them in a weird way.

00:51:47Marc:You know what I mean?

00:51:48Marc:Like, to really embrace your talent and what that means, sometimes it's, you know, it's a hard thing to, hard road.

00:51:55Guest:It is, man.

00:51:56Marc:She died during that movie?

00:51:57Marc:Yeah.

00:51:58Marc:Really?

00:51:59Marc:Did the movie come out?

00:52:00Guest:No, she died after the movie came out.

00:52:02Marc:Oh.

00:52:02Guest:Yeah.

00:52:03Marc:Did you guys become friends?

00:52:04Marc:Did you feel that she was in trouble?

00:52:08Guest:You know.

00:52:08Guest:Yeah.

00:52:09Guest:I was dealing with my own shit.

00:52:10Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:12Guest:But we connected.

00:52:13Guest:We definitely connected.

00:52:14Guest:Uh-huh.

00:52:15Guest:And, you know, I think she's one of the women that like real things.

00:52:19Guest:She likes real people, and I do too, so...

00:52:23Guest:Yeah, but she was a great person, man.

00:52:25Guest:Great artist, great person.

00:52:27Guest:And one day I was on the set and I walked past her trailer and Michael Jackson was playing and she was in there singing with him.

00:52:39Guest:Sounded like him and her was in that trailer.

00:52:41Guest:Wow.

00:52:41Guest:It's crazy.

00:52:42Marc:So you did Sparkle and that made you know that you could do it.

00:52:47Guest:Yeah, I did a lot of other roles, though.

00:52:50Guest:My first movie I ever done was with Vin Diesel called Strays.

00:52:56Guest:And Vin Diesel wasn't a star.

00:52:58Guest:I wasn't doing shit.

00:53:00Guest:I think the budget on the movie was 100 grand.

00:53:03Marc:But that was a straight roll?

00:53:04Guest:Yeah.

00:53:05Marc:And he nailed it?

00:53:07Guest:Killed it.

00:53:08Marc:Yeah.

00:53:08Marc:And is that movie out?

00:53:10Marc:Can you see it?

00:53:11Marc:Yeah, you can find it on, you know.

00:53:13Marc:It's so bizarre to me, though.

00:53:14Marc:Like, so many of these roles are a cab driver, criminal.

00:53:19Guest:You're doing the side pieces.

00:53:22Guest:I've done it all, bro.

00:53:23Guest:Yeah.

00:53:23Guest:I've done it all.

00:53:24Guest:I was in Bernie Mac's last movie before he died called Soul Man, him and Isaac Hayes.

00:53:31Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:53:32Guest:So I was literally standing there with those guys, and then they went away.

00:53:36Marc:Both of them.

00:53:37Marc:Bernie was great.

00:53:39Marc:He was a beast.

00:53:40Marc:Did you like watching that guy?

00:53:42Yeah.

00:53:42Guest:yeah i ain't as good as you motherfuckers he was real yeah yeah he was you know and that's the thing you know you got to be real yeah what kind of stand-up are you doing uh talking about my baby mamas talking about obama talk about everybody yeah i talk about a little bit of everything talk about myself how's the draw now you selling tickets good

00:54:06Guest:You know, I'd do all right.

00:54:07Guest:2,500 people.

00:54:09Marc:That's good?

00:54:10Guest:Yeah.

00:54:11Guest:That's the max in the big cities?

00:54:13Guest:Well, I could do up to... I used to do Kevin Hart numbers years ago when I first got it going.

00:54:22Guest:I used to do 14,000, 15,000 people.

00:54:26Marc:It's hard to hold that, I guess.

00:54:28Guest:Yeah, you can't hold that shit forever.

00:54:29Guest:So your folks still around?

00:54:31Guest:Yeah.

00:54:32Guest:How are they feeling about you?

00:54:34Guest:They loving it.

00:54:34Guest:Yeah?

00:54:35Guest:They loving it.

00:54:36Guest:They love it.

00:54:38Marc:They must be happy that you made it out of the shit.

00:54:40Guest:Yeah, you know, that's the thing.

00:54:42Guest:My mother and father, they're like...

00:54:47Guest:It's so hard for them to give me a compliment because they know who the hell I am.

00:54:52Guest:Right.

00:54:52Guest:You know?

00:54:53Guest:I do.

00:54:54Guest:It's like.

00:54:55Marc:Why do you think that is?

00:54:56Guest:How do I praise you when I know who you really are?

00:55:00Marc:But don't they think that you, they don't think you changed or you don't think you changed or they still see that you're.

00:55:05Guest:I don't think I was a favorite.

00:55:07Guest:Yeah.

00:55:08Guest:It's like.

00:55:08Marc:Well, you're in trouble.

00:55:09Guest:I can't start kissing a guy's ass because he becomes successful when he was never my favorite.

00:55:16Oh.

00:55:16Guest:yeah with both of them yeah i think they if i think they they would if they had a choice they would have wanted one of my other brothers to be in my position not me oh that's fucking hard though i've always been a rebellious person man i've always been radical yeah crazy rebellious

00:55:35Marc:But do you sense that they're proud of you?

00:55:39Marc:Yeah.

00:55:39Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:55:40Marc:But they're a little withholding.

00:55:41Marc:They're like, you're going to get in trouble.

00:55:43Marc:Yeah.

00:55:43Marc:It's only a matter of time.

00:55:44Guest:Yeah.

00:55:45Guest:They've been waiting on that shit for 20 years now.

00:55:47Guest:So I told them, you can forget it.

00:55:50Guest:I still get in trouble every now and then.

00:55:52Guest:I'm on TMZ for bullshit, but nothing serious.

00:55:56Marc:Oh, yeah?

00:55:57Marc:What happened?

00:55:57Marc:Nothing?

00:55:57Guest:I mean, you know, like the shit in Phoenix.

00:56:00Guest:I mean, you know, it's always.

00:56:01Marc:That wasn't even you.

00:56:02Marc:That was just a bad crowd.

00:56:04Guest:Okay, well, guess what?

00:56:05Guest:My name was all over the internet.

00:56:07Guest:They didn't put nobody.

00:56:08Guest:They didn't put the victim's name.

00:56:10Guest:They didn't put nobody sitting in the audience's name.

00:56:12Guest:They said Mike Epps.

00:56:13Marc:It's so fucked up, dude.

00:56:15Marc:Because I looked at that thing and I'm like, that's just a bad night at a comedy club.

00:56:20Marc:Yeah, why would you put my name in it?

00:56:23Marc:Because it was at my show.

00:56:25Marc:Yeah, some guy snapped.

00:56:27Marc:But you know that shit used to happen all the time before this fucking internet.

00:56:32Marc:We used to have to deal with that.

00:56:33Marc:It's just comedy.

00:56:34Guest:It's just comedy.

00:56:36Marc:Would someone take care of this shit?

00:56:37Marc:Where's the bouncer?

00:56:39Marc:And that was it.

00:56:39Marc:But now you can't do anything with any price.

00:56:41Guest:They actually tried to kick him out, and I didn't let him.

00:56:44Guest:Before the show?

00:56:45Guest:Before the shit jumped off.

00:56:47Marc:Oh, right.

00:56:48Marc:You were like, we're cool.

00:56:49Guest:I was like, let him enjoy it.

00:56:50Guest:Yeah.

00:56:51Guest:But he started fussing with someone in the audience.

00:56:54Marc:Oh, that guy, he's got a chip on his shoulder.

00:56:56Guest:And it turned into one thing led to the next, so...

00:56:58Marc:And then you just, you travel with a lot of guys?

00:57:02Marc:One guy.

00:57:03Marc:Yeah?

00:57:03Marc:And he steps in?

00:57:04Guest:No, he didn't have nothing to do with it.

00:57:06Marc:But, like, is he there just to sort of, like, make sure you don't get fucking in trouble?

00:57:10Guest:We use the club security.

00:57:12Guest:That's their job.

00:57:13Guest:Right.

00:57:13Guest:You know?

00:57:14Guest:I can't stand on stage and protect myself, too.

00:57:17Marc:It's fucking horrible to have to worry about that.

00:57:19Marc:You know what I mean?

00:57:19Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:57:20Marc:Yeah, that shit is like.

00:57:21Marc:You just never know where it's going.

00:57:22Guest:Yeah, you don't know who's coming in the club.

00:57:24Guest:That's the thing.

00:57:24Marc:Never.

00:57:25Guest:And comedy clubs, they don't pat people down.

00:57:27Guest:They don't give them breathalyzers.

00:57:29Guest:They just set them down and be who they are.

00:57:33Marc:But a good comedy club bouncer knows when someone's fucked up.

00:57:35Marc:They can tell you, like, that dude.

00:57:37Marc:And you know it, too.

00:57:38Marc:You know when you look at an audience and you get a feel for it when the opener's on?

00:57:41Marc:You're like, that table, that's going to be a problem.

00:57:44Guest:Man, I go through it all the time.

00:57:46Guest:And you know what I usually do?

00:57:48Guest:I'm like, hey.

00:57:49Guest:And they're like, you what?

00:57:50Guest:I'm like, look where the light is pointing at.

00:57:54Guest:Yeah, yeah, it's me.

00:57:55Marc:It's my show.

00:57:56Guest:Yeah, what the fuck?

00:57:57Marc:Yeah, they don't know, man.

00:57:59Marc:Like, I taped a special in Chicago, and some woman's like, I want to take a picture with you.

00:58:03Marc:In the middle of your shit.

00:58:05Marc:Yeah, in the middle of the, I'm like, what if, what if.

00:58:07Marc:Bitch, shut up.

00:58:08Marc:What do you think is going on here?

00:58:10Marc:This is not the.

00:58:11Marc:It's alcohol.

00:58:12Marc:It's all alcohol.

00:58:13Marc:They're just like all fucked up.

00:58:15Guest:They speak in Tangeray, huh?

00:58:16Marc:Yeah.

00:58:17Marc:And they're just looking at you and like, it's just me and that guy, and I'm just going to do this now.

00:58:21Marc:They don't care about 900 people.

00:58:22Guest:No, they don't give a fuck.

00:58:24Marc:So what is this show, The Survival Remorse?

00:58:28Guest:Survivor's Remorse, this is a show that executive produced by LeBron James, and it's loosely based off of him, him and his friend Maverick.

00:58:41Guest:But it's on Starz.

00:58:42Guest:It's a good show.

00:58:43Guest:I'm playing my uncle again.

00:58:44Guest:I used to play cousin down to my uncle all the time, and it's a good show because it touches on...

00:58:55Guest:It's about an athlete.

00:58:57Marc:Yeah.

00:58:57Guest:And it it touches on the things that athletes go through.

00:59:02Guest:Right.

00:59:03Guest:And they call it survivor's remorse because that's what it is.

00:59:05Guest:It's like it's about a guy who survived, but he's remorseful for people who didn't survive around him.

00:59:11Marc:But survived what?

00:59:13Guest:the streets upbringing whatever yeah whatever was unfortunate for him right right now that he's successful yeah there's this baggage of friends and yeah you know like we're just talking about it yeah that shit is real man yeah do you have it yeah I got survivors of Morris I love I people come at me all the time about money and shit man I'm like dude if I give you all my money I ain't gonna have shit yeah you know and I tell people all the time like like my brothers I've

00:59:43Guest:I'm like, dude, I told you yes 100 times.

00:59:48Guest:And on the 101st time, I said, no, you got mad?

00:59:51Guest:Fuck you.

00:59:53Guest:You know?

00:59:54Guest:It's like shit.

00:59:55Guest:What about your folks?

00:59:55Guest:They ask you for money?

00:59:57Guest:My mother and father?

00:59:58Guest:Yeah.

00:59:58Guest:Yeah, I don't feel too bad about giving them money.

01:00:01Marc:No, you got to give them money, right?

01:00:03Guest:Mom, I give her money all the time.

01:00:05Guest:The only sad thing about that is they take my money and give it to other people.

01:00:09Marc:the other siblings yeah so it's like uh when i leave yeah my other brothers pull up yeah because they know i gave my mom something well what kind of business they in are they are they doing all right or they're not yeah yeah and they don't live here they live still in indianapolis yeah with her oh really oh man so your folks aren't together

01:00:35Guest:Yeah, no, my mother and father are not together.

01:00:37Marc:Yeah?

01:00:38Marc:You talk to your old man, though?

01:00:40Guest:Yeah, I talk to him all the time.

01:00:41Guest:Yeah.

01:00:43Guest:I'm so much like him, I can't deal with him all the time.

01:00:45Guest:It's like two people talking to their self.

01:00:48Marc:It's hard, right?

01:00:49Marc:Yeah.

01:00:50Marc:Because there's that part of you, the things that you get pissed off at them about, you're like, oh, it's just me.

01:00:55Guest:It's you.

01:00:55Guest:Yeah.

01:00:56Guest:And he does the same shit to me.

01:00:58Guest:I'm like, dude, don't get mad at you.

01:01:01Marc:Yeah.

01:01:01Marc:So it's on Starz, right?

01:01:05Guest:It's on Starz.

01:01:06Marc:And it's already been running for a few episodes.

01:01:09Guest:Yeah, and people really like the show, man, because we touch on a lot of stuff.

01:01:14Marc:Yeah.

01:01:15Guest:Sex-related, money-wise, I mean, violence, everything is in this show to some degree.

01:01:23Guest:But it's a comedy.

01:01:25Mm-hmm.

01:01:25Marc:Have you ever been in a situation in a comedy club where there was real violence?

01:01:31Guest:Real threat?

01:01:32Guest:Yeah, this past when I was in Phoenix, that was pretty rough.

01:01:36Guest:It got pretty ugly?

01:01:37Guest:I didn't watch a video.

01:01:40Guest:Yeah.

01:01:40Guest:But there was no guns.

01:01:41Guest:No.

01:01:42Guest:No.

01:01:42Guest:Well, that's good.

01:01:44Guest:No, I've never been in a comedy club, and it got shot up.

01:01:47Guest:Yeah.

01:01:48Marc:Yeah.

01:01:50Marc:All right, so when's the prior movie start shooting?

01:01:54Guest:We go on pre-production in January, and then we start filming in April.

01:02:00Marc:And how many years of his life is it going to span?

01:02:06Guest:I think we start off as a kid.

01:02:09Guest:We end a little bit after the fire.

01:02:12Marc:Oh, really?

01:02:13Marc:Mm-hmm.

01:02:13Marc:So you're going to have to, a lot of haircuts.

01:02:15Yeah.

01:02:15Guest:I don't know how they're going to do this, but they're going to have a hell of a stuntman.

01:02:21Marc:Yeah?

01:02:22Marc:Yeah.

01:02:22Marc:So you're going to go through the fire.

01:02:24Marc:You're going to go through shooting up the car.

01:02:27Marc:Yeah.

01:02:27Marc:You're going to go through all those bits, all those wives.

01:02:30Marc:Yeah.

01:02:31Marc:You're going to go through the first wife.

01:02:33Guest:Man.

01:02:34Marc:You got the one wife, Richard Pryor Jr.

01:02:36Marc:'s mother, and then did you meet that guy?

01:02:40Guest:Richard Pryor Jr.?

01:02:41Marc:Yeah.

01:02:42Marc:I used to know him back at the comedy store.

01:02:44Marc:Is he all right?

01:02:45Guest:Yeah.

01:02:45Marc:Yeah.

01:02:45Guest:I don't really deal with the kids too much because they're like biased about who should play their dad.

01:02:51Guest:I'm like, I have to tell them all the time.

01:02:53Guest:I'm just an actor for hire.

01:02:54Guest:I'm not personally embedded in your family.

01:02:56Marc:Has Rain been in touch with you?

01:02:59Guest:Not in a good way.

01:03:01Marc:you know man it gets touchy man you know with that i i'm just an actor for hire i don't right but they also have their own relationship to this father that might have abandoned them or they didn't have a relationship with all that stuff i don't get in that shit so what do you get now in your mind like you maybe you read the scott saw book but what are you gonna do how do you prepare like how do you start this fucking thing

01:03:23Guest:Well, you know, the beauty of it is that I'm from the Midwest.

01:03:28Guest:He's from the Midwest.

01:03:30Guest:Yeah.

01:03:31Guest:I grew up in crap houses, been around hoes and pimps.

01:03:35Guest:Yeah.

01:03:37Guest:It's not going to be a hard stretch for me.

01:03:40Guest:To know the world.

01:03:41Guest:To know the world.

01:03:43Guest:Now, what people...

01:03:45Guest:Or expecting I have no control over.

01:03:48Guest:Of course.

01:03:48Guest:But I'm not there to do an impression of Richard Pryor.

01:03:51Guest:I'm doing Mike Epps as Richard Pryor.

01:03:54Guest:Interpreting.

01:03:55Guest:Yes.

01:03:56Marc:But you do... I want to do what Jamie did with Ray.

01:04:00Marc:Yeah, that was tricky because it's very easy to do a caricature.

01:04:03Guest:Yeah, I don't want to do an imitation.

01:04:05Marc:Well, no, I think that of course you don't want to.

01:04:08Marc:But you don't want to appear that way either.

01:04:12Marc:Because Ray, with the sunglasses and everything else, it'd be very easy to make that impression, but he put that emotional depth in there.

01:04:20Marc:He did.

01:04:21Marc:But you can do a little work on trying to get the delivery and shit, right?

01:04:25Guest:No, I got it.

01:04:25Guest:I got the diction.

01:04:27Guest:Uh-huh.

01:04:28Marc:Listen to those records.

01:04:29Guest:Yeah, I mean, you know, I have to embody them.

01:04:33Marc:Yeah.

01:04:33Guest:So the great thing is I've always been a fan, so it's not like I'm tapping into somebody that I don't know.

01:04:40Guest:Right.

01:04:41Guest:This is somebody that I've studied for years.

01:04:45Marc:Yeah.

01:04:45Marc:Do you remember the first time you saw the first Richard Pryor movie?

01:04:50Marc:Live in concert?

01:04:51Marc:Like how old are you?

01:04:52Marc:I'm 45.

01:04:54Marc:So you're probably like, I saw it in high school and I was like, what the fuck?

01:04:58Guest:Yeah, I didn't.

01:04:59Guest:Life changer.

01:05:00Guest:Yeah.

01:05:00Guest:You know what's really crazy is that Eddie Murphy was really, really from my era.

01:05:05Guest:That was the guy.

01:05:06Guest:Eddie Murphy was my era.

01:05:08Guest:Raw and delirious?

01:05:09Guest:Saturday Night Live, yeah.

01:05:10Yeah.

01:05:10Guest:But Richard Pryor was someone that I also knew about.

01:05:16Marc:Did you go through Eddie and then to Pryor?

01:05:20Marc:No, I knew about Richard before Eddie.

01:05:22Marc:Right.

01:05:22Marc:I did.

01:05:23Marc:But you didn't watch him.

01:05:24Marc:It wasn't your generation, right.

01:05:26Guest:No, Eddie was my generation.

01:05:28Marc:Yeah.

01:05:28Marc:He was so fucking funny, man.

01:05:30Guest:He was crazy.

01:05:31Marc:Do you know him?

01:05:32Guest:Yeah.

01:05:33Marc:You guys are your friends?

01:05:34Marc:Has he talked to you about Richard?

01:05:36Guest:Yeah, he's going to play Richard's father in the movie.

01:05:38Marc:Really?

01:05:39Guest:Buck, yeah.

01:05:40Marc:Buck was a fucking hard dude.

01:05:42Guest:Yeah.

01:05:42Marc:That's a serious role.

01:05:44Guest:Yeah.

01:05:45Guest:I think Eddie can do it.

01:05:46Marc:Of course he can.

01:05:47Marc:He's a good actor.

01:05:48Marc:He is a good actor.

01:05:49Marc:He doesn't want to be funny right now.

01:05:51Marc:Nah.

01:05:52Marc:Do you think that one day he's just going to come out and be really fucking funny again?

01:05:57Marc:I don't know.

01:05:58Marc:Hard to tell.

01:05:59Marc:Because I talked to somebody that talked to Arsenio who said they hang out and they write jokes all the fucking time.

01:06:04Guest:Yeah, stand-up is... Once you leave that shit, get to his position, you don't want to do that shit again.

01:06:10Guest:It's too personal, man, standing in front of people and shit.

01:06:14Marc:Really?

01:06:14Guest:You think that's it?

01:06:15Guest:Yeah.

01:06:16Guest:It gets too personal.

01:06:17Guest:It gets like, okay...

01:06:18Marc:And I guess once your life gets that large where nobody can relate to it.

01:06:23Marc:Yeah.

01:06:24Marc:How are you going to talk about it?

01:06:25Marc:Yeah, I don't have shit to say.

01:06:27Marc:Well, to the audience, where are you going to get up on stage and go like, my Ferrari's in the shop again?

01:06:31Guest:Some bullshit.

01:06:34Guest:Everybody's sitting out there with a stanza and shit listening to you talk about your rich problems.

01:06:39Marc:It doesn't fare well, does it?

01:06:40Guest:It doesn't.

01:06:42Guest:Who else is in the movie?

01:06:43Marc:Oprah Winfrey's playing the grandmother of...

01:06:45Marc:Oh, she was important.

01:06:46Marc:That's another hard role.

01:06:48Marc:Yeah.

01:06:48Marc:She was running the whorehouse.

01:06:50Marc:Yeah.

01:06:52Marc:That's a big cast.

01:06:54Guest:Yeah, man.

01:06:55Marc:Have you guys started reading or anything?

01:06:58Marc:Doing anything?

01:07:00Marc:Making deals.

01:07:01Marc:Oh, that's it?

01:07:01Marc:Still negotiating?

01:07:03Marc:Yeah.

01:07:04Marc:And you're just doing stand-up and Uncle Buck?

01:07:06Marc:Uncle Buck.

01:07:07Marc:For what network?

01:07:09Marc:ABC.

01:07:10ABC.

01:07:10Marc:Does it look good?

01:07:11Marc:Is it funny?

01:07:12Guest:Yeah.

01:07:12Guest:I mean, you know, for whatever it's worth, I can't really be Mike Epps the way I want to be Mike Epps, but I could still be funny because, I mean, you know, this is for children.

01:07:23Marc:Are you doing everything you want to do?

01:07:25Marc:Is there something you want to do?

01:07:27Marc:What do you really want to do?

01:07:28Marc:I mean, playing Richard Pryor, that seems like a top of the hill kind of thing.

01:07:31Guest:Yeah, ain't nothing else.

01:07:33Marc:That's it?

01:07:33Marc:Yeah, that's it.

01:07:35Guest:After I do that, I'm done.

01:07:36Guest:I mean, when I say I'm done, it's, hey, I did it.

01:07:40Guest:Right.

01:07:40Marc:But you'll keep going.

01:07:42Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:07:42Marc:Sounds like you got a lot of relatives that need money.

01:07:44Guest:Yeah.

01:07:45Guest:I got to keep working for these assholes.

01:07:47Marc:And your kids.

01:07:48Guest:Yeah.

01:07:49Guest:And you just keep doing stand-up?

01:07:50Guest:Yeah, I don't know.

01:07:52Guest:I'm tired of doing stand-up.

01:07:54Guest:I got a special coming out on Netflix called Don't Take It Personal.

01:07:58Guest:Yeah.

01:07:58Guest:December 18th.

01:08:00Guest:And that's your swan song?

01:08:02Guest:That's it?

01:08:02Marc:That's the end of the stand-up?

01:08:04Guest:For right now, you know.

01:08:05Guest:That's it.

01:08:06Guest:I did it.

01:08:07Marc:Do you ever think about producing or doing anything on that end?

01:08:09Guest:Yeah, I've been producing a couple of things.

01:08:11Guest:You know, I got a couple of films I'm trying to produce right now.

01:08:14Guest:And I got a movie called Not So Mr. Nice Guy that I'm doing.

01:08:18Marc:Yeah.

01:08:19Guest:Yeah.

01:08:20Guest:And that's something you wrote?

01:08:21Guest:Yeah, wrote, produced, probably star in.

01:08:24Guest:After Richard Pryor, I'll be able to pick and choose.

01:08:28Guest:A little more, right?

01:08:29Guest:Yeah.

01:08:30Guest:And what about music, dude?

01:08:32Guest:I did a little music here and there.

01:08:34Guest:I've had songs out, but it was just for fun, you know?

01:08:38Guest:It was like, I think every artist at some point, they start flirting with music, doing music.

01:08:46Guest:Sinbad's all about music these days.

01:08:48Guest:Yeah.

01:08:48Marc:Yeah, I had him in here.

01:08:50Marc:He'd rather be doing all music, I think.

01:08:52Guest:Eddie Murphy, too.

01:08:53Guest:Oh, really?

01:08:54Guest:Yeah, well, I remember he sang.

01:08:55Guest:Still he's singing?

01:08:56Guest:He did some reggae song.

01:08:58Guest:It was pretty good.

01:08:59Marc:Oh, really?

01:08:59Guest:Recently?

01:09:00Guest:Yeah.

01:09:01Yeah.

01:09:01Guest:what is that like i play guitar too but i wouldn't know what the hell to do with it i think they just both of them compliments each other you know music people in music want to be funny and people that's funny want to do music i think that's true how how many uh how old is your oldest kid

01:09:17Guest:22 what's he doing or she it's a daughter she's working she does makeup oh yeah yeah and you get along with all of them all of them that's good yeah i haven't always but you know that's kid parent relationships tricky right yeah they heal yeah you think you're a better parent than your parents

01:09:38Guest:I doubt it.

01:09:41Guest:I don't think none of us were shit.

01:09:43Marc:And where are you going on stand-up?

01:09:44Marc:Where are you going next for stand-up?

01:09:46Guest:Rutgers University.

01:09:47Guest:I do colleges.

01:09:48Marc:Rutgers?

01:09:49Marc:New Jersey?

01:09:50Marc:That's where my father went there.

01:09:52Guest:Wow.

01:09:53Marc:You do colleges?

01:09:54Guest:sometimes aren't they hard nah the kids don't want to they just want you to talk about people oh yeah yeah they don't give a fuck but you got to keep it level right you got to keep it clean not really not really yeah i mean come on man all the naked women and shit on instagram and i gotta go in front of some students and talk clean please do they tell you that though

01:10:15Guest:Yeah, some colleges, they try to tell you that shit, but I still curse and shit.

01:10:21Guest:Kids want to hear dirty shit.

01:10:22Guest:They don't want to hear that clean shit.

01:10:24Marc:Yeah, that's true.

01:10:25Marc:You ever get any flack?

01:10:28Guest:Nah.

01:10:28Marc:Not really?

01:10:29Marc:Nah.

01:10:29Marc:All right, buddy.

01:10:30Marc:It's good talking to you, man.

01:10:31Guest:Man, I love you, Mark.

01:10:32Guest:I've been a big fan of yours, man.

01:10:34Guest:I knew you before I met you.

01:10:38Yeah.

01:10:38Marc:Well, it's good.

01:10:39Marc:Do you feel okay about what we did here?

01:10:41Guest:Hell yeah.

01:10:42Guest:You got anything you want to tell the people?

01:10:45Guest:Yeah, I just want to tell all the fans, thank you for supporting me.

01:10:50Guest:And all the ladies, it ain't your beauty, it's your booty.

01:10:55Guest:And keep supporting my man, Mark.

01:10:57Guest:I'm sitting here looking at Obama's cup.

01:11:00Guest:You like Obama?

01:11:01Guest:He had Obama in this damn garage.

01:11:03Guest:I can't believe it.

01:11:04Guest:It's crazy.

01:11:05Marc:Yeah.

01:11:06Marc:Yeah.

01:11:07Marc:Are you a fan?

01:11:07Guest:Have you met him?

01:11:08Guest:Yeah, I met him one time.

01:11:10Guest:Yeah?

01:11:10Guest:Where at?

01:11:11Guest:At the White House.

01:11:12Guest:You were over there?

01:11:13Guest:Yeah.

01:11:13Guest:I've never been there.

01:11:14Guest:Yeah.

01:11:15Guest:What was that for?

01:11:16Guest:They asked me for my ID 30 times before I got to him.

01:11:19Guest:I'm like, dude, the fucking warrant would have came up by now.

01:11:23Marc:Yeah.

01:11:24Guest:Why were you over at the White House?

01:11:25Guest:My wife had us going over there for some shit.

01:11:28Guest:I don't remember.

01:11:29Marc:You don't remember why you were at the White House?

01:11:33Guest:Some shit don't thrill me.

01:11:34Marc:Uh-huh.

01:11:35Guest:Yeah.

01:11:36Guest:Yeah.

01:11:36Marc:It's just something you got to do.

01:11:38Marc:Yeah.

01:11:39Marc:Did you have a moment with him?

01:11:40Marc:Was he a nice guy?

01:11:41Guest:Shook his hand.

01:11:42Guest:He said he liked Survivor's Remorse.

01:11:44Marc:Oh, okay.

01:11:45Marc:So it was recently.

01:11:46Guest:Yeah.

01:11:46Marc:All right.

01:11:47Marc:Well, that's enough, right?

01:11:48Marc:Yeah.

01:11:49Marc:All right, buddy.

01:11:49Marc:Well, good luck with everything.

01:11:50Marc:Thank you, Mark.

01:11:56Marc:Okay, man, women, children, whoever's in the car.

01:12:01Marc:That's it.

01:12:01Marc:That's my conversation with Mike Epps.

01:12:03Marc:Please go to WTFPod.com for all your WTFPod needs.

01:12:08Marc:Am I dreaming?

01:12:09Marc:Am I going to wake up in LA?

01:12:10Marc:Has this whole thing been a fucking dream?

01:12:14Marc:Hurts behind my eye and my tooth is a little hurty.

01:12:17Marc:Does that sign this thing?

01:12:18Marc:Boomer lives!

01:12:31Boomer lives!