Episode 606 - Kevin Corrigan

Episode 606 • Released May 27, 2015 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Guest:All right, let's do this.

00:00:10Marc:How are you?

00:00:11Marc:What the fuckers?

00:00:11Marc:What the fuck buddies?

00:00:12Marc:What the fucking ears?

00:00:13Marc:What the fucksters?

00:00:14Marc:How are you?

00:00:15Marc:I'm Mark Marin.

00:00:15Marc:This is WTF, my podcast.

00:00:17Marc:Thank you for joining.

00:00:19Marc:Got up early to do morning radio.

00:00:20Marc:I was on Heidi and Frank this morning talking about tonight's episode of Marin on IFC.

00:00:24Marc:I might as well talk about it here as well.

00:00:26Marc:This is my show.

00:00:28Marc:I've been making the rounds at the publicity machine.

00:00:31Marc:I was on Midnight the other night.

00:00:33Marc:Did Kimmel a couple weeks ago.

00:00:34Marc:They repeated that.

00:00:35Marc:I was Mr. Television.

00:00:37Marc:Tuesday night, I was on Midnight and a repeat of Jimmy Kimmel.

00:00:40Marc:Big Night of Marin on two different networks.

00:00:43Marc:And then tonight, my own show on IFC, which I hope you're watching.

00:00:48Marc:Tonight's episode is a bit gnarly, funny, deep, a little touching, but...

00:00:55Marc:a bit brutal emotionally uh it's actually based on something that never happened but let me tell you who's on the show here today today is kevin corrigan today i talked to kevin corrigan you all know kevin corrigan he was in goodfellas the departed super bad pineapple express big fan with patten oswald community he's appeared on there you'd know him

00:01:17Marc:You'd know him if you've seen him.

00:01:19Marc:He's been in almost every indie movie made in the last 20 years.

00:01:22Marc:I mean, maybe that's a stretch, but he's in a new one that we talk about a bit.

00:01:27Marc:I was actually only halfway through the new movie when I talked to Kevin.

00:01:33Marc:Didn't get through it, but I was enjoying it.

00:01:35Marc:I was sort of immersed in it.

00:01:37Marc:I like movies like that.

00:01:38Marc:The last guy that sort of compelled me that way in terms of his art...

00:01:44Marc:Joe Swanberg was, to me, an amazing independent filmmaker.

00:01:50Marc:And in this film that I started watching, it's called Results, directed by Andrew Budchowski, who I believe did another film called Computer Chess, which I did not see.

00:02:03Marc:But I have not seen his films, but he's clearly a dude with a vision.

00:02:07Marc:And I felt that right away when I started watching it.

00:02:10Marc:And Corrigan's in it and he's great in it.

00:02:12Marc:Guy Pearce is in it and he's great in it.

00:02:14Marc:And Constance Zimmer, who was on my show as well.

00:02:17Marc:But anyways, I was enjoying the film and I finished it since I talked to Kevin.

00:02:21Marc:And I would have told him it was amazing because I really dug it.

00:02:25Marc:It was interesting.

00:02:26Marc:It was not predictable or hackneyed.

00:02:29Marc:It was kind of lyrical and poetic.

00:02:32Marc:It was a real indie film and I dug it.

00:02:34Marc:So there.

00:02:35Marc:There's how I feel about Results, the movie, which should be opening any minute now in theaters tomorrow.

00:02:42Marc:Tomorrow, folks.

00:02:44Marc:All right?

00:02:45Marc:So anyways, Corrigan's going to be... I'm going to talk to Corrigan in a few minutes.

00:02:49Marc:Let's make sure I get to everything I want to tell you.

00:02:51Marc:I want to talk about...

00:02:53Marc:Tonight's episode of Marin, I also want to talk about the Rolling Stones concert.

00:02:57Marc:I'll tell you what's going on.

00:02:58Marc:Tonight, the episode of Marin was a little rough.

00:03:01Marc:It was rough for me to make emotionally.

00:03:05Marc:This is the episode that I wrote and directed this year.

00:03:09Marc:It is about a hypothetical situation.

00:03:12Marc:I don't know how I would handle it in reality, but I did write it.

00:03:15Marc:The character of Marc Marin has an ex-wife who has written a book and

00:03:20Marc:They're an ex-wife's name is Michelle.

00:03:24Marc:And she was played by Jessica Mackinson, who played her briefly in the first season of the show.

00:03:29Marc:And it's basically, you know, we decide or she decides or, you know, collectively sort of decide that, you know, she I should have her on the podcast to help her sell her book.

00:03:39Marc:Her publicist suggested it.

00:03:42Marc:And we think we can handle that.

00:03:44Marc:And through the course of moving through the house, which you'll have to suspend your disbelief as being the original house, there's only been one house in the mind of the show.

00:03:53Marc:We had to switch houses set-wise because the first house was no longer available to us.

00:03:57Marc:But it's all the same house.

00:03:59Marc:It doesn't matter.

00:04:00Marc:So it's really about her coming back to the house that we had bought together.

00:04:05Marc:And there are flashbacks, which is why I shaved my face and cleaned myself up.

00:04:14Marc:But doing this episode and making the episode of Marin that you'll see tonight...

00:04:19Marc:I was able to really kind of get a little bit of closure that I didn't think I would ever get.

00:04:23Marc:It's interesting.

00:04:24Marc:It's a very raw bit of emotional theater here on Marin tonight.

00:04:29Marc:And it's very real emotions.

00:04:31Marc:And I hope, you know, I'm no Olivier, but I was definitely tapped into this thing.

00:04:40Marc:So it's compelling and it's raw.

00:04:43Marc:And when I watched it again, I kind of got choked up.

00:04:45Marc:There's comedy in it.

00:04:47Marc:It's balanced.

00:04:48Marc:But Mary Lynn Rice Cub is also in the episode, as is Dave.

00:04:54Marc:Pow!

00:04:55Marc:Look out!

00:04:57Marc:Just shit my pants.

00:04:57Marc:Justcoffee.coop.

00:04:58Marc:Haven't done that in a while.

00:04:59Marc:Don't even have to do it, but I did it.

00:05:01Marc:Because I was feeling emotional.

00:05:03Marc:And I went ahead and stepped on that with a coffee plug.

00:05:05Marc:With a swirp and a plug.

00:05:07Marc:Swirp and a plug.

00:05:08Marc:I push those emotions down.

00:05:10Marc:But watch Marin tonight.

00:05:11Marc:I'd like to know what you think.

00:05:13Marc:It's very personal.

00:05:14Marc:And I have a lot invested in it.

00:05:16Marc:Acting wise, writing wise, and also directing wise.

00:05:21Marc:It was a big thrill to direct this episode.

00:05:25Marc:Oh, God, I'm nervous for it to be on television.

00:05:28Marc:Okay.

00:05:30Marc:Rolling Stones.

00:05:32Marc:Mark Maron, Dean Del Rey going to the Rolling Stones.

00:05:36Marc:Now, you heard Mick Jagger promise me Mark Maron on this show to take care of me.

00:05:42Marc:Dean comes over on Sunday.

00:05:44Marc:We hit the road about two and we're kind of jacked.

00:05:47Marc:We're early.

00:05:48Marc:We're leaving early.

00:05:49Marc:It's about two to three hour run down to San Diego.

00:05:54Marc:And I'm like, I'm nervous because, like, I don't like crowds, you know, parking situations and everything.

00:05:58Marc:And, you know, he's pretty sure that everything.

00:06:00Marc:Dean's like this president.

00:06:01Marc:Like, no, dude, it's going to work out great.

00:06:03Marc:Everything's going to be great.

00:06:04Marc:We're set.

00:06:06Marc:We're there at 5.45.

00:06:09Marc:We park, 35 bucks, no problem.

00:06:12Marc:Like, literally a half a block from the stadium.

00:06:15Marc:We get out.

00:06:16Marc:We go to Will Call.

00:06:17Marc:Seems to be a little chaos about where that is.

00:06:19Marc:Doesn't look like there are tickets there.

00:06:21Marc:And we go to this gate, and we're going through, and there's someone with a clipboard.

00:06:24Marc:I'm like, yeah, we got media Will Call, media Will Call.

00:06:27Marc:She gives us these two tickets.

00:06:29Marc:And we look at the tickets.

00:06:30Marc:We don't know what it means, but it's A3

00:06:35Marc:Row 11 seats like nine and 10.

00:06:39Marc:I actually remember that.

00:06:42Marc:And the price tag on the seat was like 395, 395 bucks.

00:06:45Marc:We're like, dude, what is this?

00:06:47Marc:Where are these?

00:06:48Marc:So me and Dean are like, fuck, what do we got?

00:06:51Marc:And we go, we go down the field, we go, and we're 11 rows up from the stage in the A3 section, which is just stage right.

00:06:58Marc:So it's like, like right at a perfect angle to see people.

00:07:02Marc:We get down there on the field at six o'clock.

00:07:04Marc:The Stones aren't going on until nine.

00:07:06Marc:Gary Clark Jr.

00:07:07Marc:is going on at eight and he's up there, you know, tuning his guitars and shit.

00:07:11Marc:And in King Zapata, his guitar player sees me.

00:07:15Marc:He's like, what's up, man?

00:07:16Marc:I'm like, hey, dude, you excited?

00:07:18Marc:He's like, yeah, pretty excited.

00:07:20Marc:Then people started coming.

00:07:21Marc:And as Dean said, a lot of reading glasses out.

00:07:24Marc:Yeah, it was that kind of crowd.

00:07:26Marc:You know, people like a little older than me, some my age, but, you know, not a raucous bunch, but a lot of people.

00:07:33Marc:But it was here's the weird thing.

00:07:35Marc:It would be very easy for me to condescend to this.

00:07:38Marc:And I am on the younger spectrum of the boomer arc, the last one out of the gate, really.

00:07:47Marc:These were people that had a relationship with this band probably their entire life.

00:07:51Marc:As I did, but not in the same way.

00:07:53Marc:I would imagine that many of these people have seen this band a lot.

00:07:56Marc:They were probably growing up around the same time as the Stones.

00:07:59Marc:They were teenagers, maybe.

00:08:01Marc:I came to the Stones always late to the party, but by the time I was listening to the Rolling Stones, I was in high school, and all their records had been out.

00:08:09Marc:So all of a sudden, like this weird part of my heart is opening to all these people that would generally find annoying.

00:08:14Marc:There's a vanity to the boomers.

00:08:16Marc:You know, there's a lot of hair color around.

00:08:18Marc:There's a lot of strained ego presentation in the way of attire, a lot of showboats and whatnot.

00:08:27Marc:But whatever.

00:08:28Marc:We're at the Rolling Stone show.

00:08:29Marc:So I was there and I was excited, but I didn't know what to expect.

00:08:31Marc:I didn't know how it would feel.

00:08:33Marc:I have a weird thing with older people in that I feel like they're fragile.

00:08:38Marc:And it reminds me of my own mortality.

00:08:41Marc:And it reminds me, I haven't quite put it all together, but I get nervous around elderly people and I shouldn't.

00:08:50Marc:Because that's where it's all at.

00:08:54Marc:That's where the wisdom is.

00:08:56Marc:That's where the humility is.

00:08:57Marc:That's where hopefully a sense of humor and not darkness and bitterness is.

00:09:02Marc:That's where it all ends up if you're lucky.

00:09:06Marc:And I think I'm just awkwardly afraid of the vulnerability that comes with getting old.

00:09:13Marc:Inevitably.

00:09:14Marc:Inevitably.

00:09:16Marc:Because we all fight so hard against that.

00:09:20Marc:We just do.

00:09:21Marc:It's natural.

00:09:22Marc:You know, one thing America is not known for is aging gracefully.

00:09:26Marc:Americans in general.

00:09:29Marc:There's a panic about it.

00:09:31Marc:So anyways, a big thing happens on the screen.

00:09:34Marc:There's like this film strip, like the career of the Rolling Stones and this groovy fucking, you know, video thing.

00:09:40Marc:And then like the lights go down and I just feel myself.

00:09:43Marc:Like I'm sitting there going, what's this going to be about?

00:09:45Marc:And then like the video happens and I'm feeling like an electricity going through my body.

00:09:49Marc:I'm like...

00:09:49Marc:oh my God, oh my God, the Rolling Stones.

00:09:52Marc:And then it's like they introduce the Rolling Stones.

00:09:54Marc:Then I hear Keith just like plunk out the fucking opening chords of Jumping Jack Flask.

00:09:59Marc:And I'm like, yeah, like I'm up.

00:10:04Marc:Me and Dean are up.

00:10:05Marc:We're standing.

00:10:06Marc:I'm waving my hands.

00:10:07Marc:I'm pointing at the stage with the little beast fingers.

00:10:10Marc:You know, I'm doing the whole fucking number.

00:10:12Marc:And then Mick comes out and he's like old Mick, man.

00:10:15Marc:He's like not old Mick, but like young Mick.

00:10:17Marc:He's like just bouncing around.

00:10:18Marc:He's doing the dance moves.

00:10:20Marc:He's doing them like he was fucking 20.

00:10:22Marc:Well, actually a little better.

00:10:23Marc:He didn't really learn how to dance that well until probably mid-20s.

00:10:26Marc:And he's just kicking it, and they're on it.

00:10:29Marc:It's the Stones, and it's happening, and they're right in front of me, and I can see them.

00:10:32Marc:The screens are going, Ronnie looks great.

00:10:33Marc:Charlie's holding steady.

00:10:35Marc:Keith is hanging on, just looking good.

00:10:38Marc:He's taking all the weird dangly shit out of his hair.

00:10:40Marc:He's just wearing a headband, looks respectable, charming like the fucking devil.

00:10:44Marc:And Mick is just jumping around, doing the dance.

00:10:48Marc:It was fucking stunning.

00:10:50Marc:71.

00:10:51Marc:71 years old.

00:10:53Marc:Jumping around.

00:10:55Marc:The lights come down.

00:10:55Marc:Mick puts on a guitar and they play Moonlight Mile.

00:10:59Marc:They start Moonlight Mile.

00:11:01Marc:And Mick fucking hits the notes.

00:11:03Marc:The falsetto beautifully.

00:11:05Marc:I start weeping.

00:11:06Marc:Dean is like, oh man.

00:11:09Marc:And like...

00:11:10Marc:I'm crying while Mick is singing Moonlight Mile.

00:11:14Marc:Weeping.

00:11:15Marc:He sounded perfect.

00:11:17Marc:And then you could see on the big screen his face.

00:11:20Marc:And you saw, that's Mick Jagger.

00:11:23Marc:But within the Mick Jagger head, see, what could easily become sort of tragic is if the age beats out the Mick Jagger.

00:11:32Marc:Like if the age consumes...

00:11:35Marc:how large the Mick Jagger-ness is.

00:11:39Marc:And then it was perfectly balanced.

00:11:41Marc:There was his face.

00:11:42Marc:I could see all the lines of his face.

00:11:44Marc:And I could hear the thing that you can't hide when you're old in his voice.

00:11:49Marc:But it sounded beautiful.

00:11:51Marc:The vulnerability of being Mick Jagger or being anybody at that age was coming through in these songs.

00:11:58Marc:And the audience was moved by it.

00:12:00Marc:So like that one thing that I prejudged, this idea that that they would be too old to do what they do was completely leveled by the fact that they are doing exactly what they do because they are exactly who they are.

00:12:14Marc:And we were all sort of like in it with them.

00:12:16Marc:It was beautiful.

00:12:17Marc:And it meant a lot to know that they're still putting out this this type of show at this age.

00:12:22Marc:It was fucking amazing.

00:12:24Marc:It was everything.

00:12:25Marc:And goddamn, I want to thank everyone involved for getting me those tickets, for getting me and Dean to have that experience.

00:12:33Marc:And quite honestly, the playlist on the ride home for some reason was on that two-hour run.

00:12:37Marc:A lot of Grateful Dead.

00:12:38Marc:Me and Dean were doing a lot of Grateful Dead.

00:12:40Marc:Little Allman Brothers did some Skinnered and some ZZ Top.

00:12:44Marc:And we played it loud.

00:12:46Marc:On the way down, a lot of ACDC.

00:12:49Marc:And then we enjoyed the Stones in between those two car rides.

00:12:53Marc:It was spectacular.

00:12:54Marc:Great experience.

00:12:56Marc:And they were fucking beyond anything I could have imagined.

00:12:59Marc:All right, let's talk to Kevin Corrigan now.

00:13:09Guest:I've kind of gotten into a talk show type thing.

00:13:13Guest:I got drafted into it.

00:13:14Guest:I was subbing for someone, and then that person never came back.

00:13:17Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:13:18Marc:It's like a live talk show.

00:13:20Guest:Yeah.

00:13:20Guest:On stage.

00:13:21Marc:Yeah.

00:13:21Marc:And you talked to David Johansson?

00:13:24Guest:Him and Kim Gordon, as you did.

00:13:26Marc:That's not easy.

00:13:28Marc:Nothing easy about that chat, was there, Kevin?

00:13:31Guest:Well, I ended up, you know, I asked her if I could read some passages from her book, you know, and that was fun just to...

00:13:39Guest:Oh, that's a good idea.

00:13:41Guest:It was nice.

00:13:42Guest:And just to be up there with Kim and David, two generations of New York rock and roll, it was hard not to get a little self-conscious about that.

00:13:54Guest:Did you grow up with it?

00:13:55Guest:Well, you know, I... How old are you?

00:13:58Guest:I'm 46.

00:13:59Guest:Right.

00:14:00Guest:So you're close to me.

00:14:01Guest:I'm 51.

00:14:01Guest:That's right.

00:14:02Guest:Yeah.

00:14:02Guest:You interviewed Michael Imperioli not too long ago.

00:14:06Guest:Yeah.

00:14:07Guest:So I listened to that.

00:14:07Guest:Are you guys buddies?

00:14:09Guest:Yeah.

00:14:09Guest:You know, we met a while back.

00:14:12Guest:You know, he worked in a restaurant with my brother.

00:14:14Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:14:16Guest:I think in his interview with you, he called it a wedding hall.

00:14:20Guest:It's a restaurant.

00:14:21Guest:Yeah.

00:14:22Guest:Are we going to correct that?

00:14:23Guest:There's a minor correction.

00:14:24Guest:It was a very fancy restaurant in Scarsdale.

00:14:28Guest:You know, people like Phil Rizzuto would go there.

00:14:31Guest:I think Joe DiMaggio was a good friend of Nat's.

00:14:33Guest:Oh, really?

00:14:34Guest:People like that would go there.

00:14:35Guest:So it was that kind of place.

00:14:36Guest:Italian food or what?

00:14:37Guest:Yes, Italian food.

00:14:38Guest:Very classy place.

00:14:40Guest:They would have a carnival.

00:14:43Guest:Like when you think fancy restaurant.

00:14:45Guest:That's it.

00:14:45Guest:That was it.

00:14:46Marc:But they must have done events.

00:14:48Marc:He had it in his head that it was a...

00:14:50Guest:you know an event sort of place it was definitely like a like the set of a movie so if you know they would have weddings there maybe he only worked those events primarily yeah yeah that was their specialty they would have these uh um what do they call it uh uh the viennese tables uh-huh uh i i i i guess there was a a very brief moment where i was thinking of of of going to work there also because because the the the

00:15:18Guest:the invitation was there the option was sure they until you wear a white shirt and a bow tie maybe a red jacket a black jacket black jacket yeah i i think uh you know one day going to a school i went to high school in the bronx at a place called mount st michael for two years and one day i couldn't find any pants so i grabbed my brother's tuxedo pants you know with the stripe down the side uh someone who i went to school with who worked with my brother at alex and henry goes hey you're wearing your brother's pants huh

00:15:48Guest:Anyway, so Michael worked there too.

00:15:52Guest:And that became your look.

00:15:53Guest:That became my look sometimes.

00:15:55Marc:Occasionally.

00:15:56Marc:I wore a pair of tuxedo pants occasionally.

00:15:59Marc:Yeah.

00:15:59Marc:With suspenders.

00:16:02Marc:They had suspender buttons.

00:16:03Marc:And they were secondhand.

00:16:04Marc:I got them.

00:16:05Marc:At some point, I was doing that.

00:16:06Marc:That's his style.

00:16:07Marc:Sure.

00:16:08Marc:I don't know what style it was.

00:16:10Marc:Maybe clown?

00:16:10Marc:Maybe clown was what I was going for.

00:16:15Marc:But you didn't take the job there.

00:16:17Marc:No, I'm not a working man.

00:16:19Marc:No.

00:16:20Marc:It never worked?

00:16:21Marc:It was never your thing?

00:16:23Marc:I've never had a job.

00:16:24Marc:How many, really?

00:16:25Marc:So how many siblings do you have?

00:16:26Marc:Just my brother.

00:16:28Marc:And you grew up, you spent your whole childhood in the Bronx?

00:16:31Marc:Yes.

00:16:32Marc:What part?

00:16:33Guest:The last stop on the D train, 206th Street.

00:16:37Guest:What was that neighborhood like?

00:16:39Guest:Diverse neighborhood.

00:16:40Guest:I mean, you know, predominantly, I guess, you know, Irish Catholic in the 70s, 80s.

00:16:45Guest:Yeah.

00:16:46Guest:But it was a pretty diverse neighborhood.

00:16:48Guest:And you're Irish all the way through?

00:16:50Guest:Irish and Puerto Rican.

00:16:52Guest:Huh.

00:16:52Guest:Yes.

00:16:53Marc:That's not unusual in New York, I don't think, right?

00:16:57Guest:Not as much as you, I don't know if you would think that was unusual, but I had a friend, one or two buddies that I grew up with who also had like, my friend Chris Ramos' mom was Irish and his father was Puerto Rican.

00:17:13Guest:So we had that, I had that in common with a few people.

00:17:16Guest:not too many do you speak uh spanish i don't and i i uh i did ask my mother why that was uh when i was in my 20s yeah and she said my grandmother didn't really want that for my brother and me you know that's just she didn't even want that for my mother right like but you spoke spanish my she speaks a lot less spanish today than she did when i was growing up i guess that was to to you know to sort of integrate

00:17:44Guest:Yes, exactly.

00:17:45Guest:Right.

00:17:45Guest:You know, I do have I remember, you know, hearing my mother speak Spanish on the phone.

00:17:49Guest:You know, the family was a lot bigger back then.

00:17:51Guest:It's kind of, you know, tightened up.

00:17:54Guest:People pass on, you know, things change.

00:17:56Guest:And but yeah, there was a very lively scene at my grandmother's house in the South Bronx when I was growing up for Christmases and Easter's.

00:18:05Guest:And, you know, she was very religious.

00:18:06Guest:And that was the Puerto Rican side.

00:18:08Guest:Yes.

00:18:08Marc:So did you get the Irish scene as well?

00:18:11Marc:Did you get both sides?

00:18:12Guest:There was a time when everybody would make the rounds.

00:18:14Guest:Like my Uncle Jack and Aunt Mary would show up at my Uncle Sam's house.

00:18:19Guest:So there would be a mix because they all grew up together in the South Bronx in the 50s and 60s.

00:18:24Marc:Your mother's family and your father's family.

00:18:26Marc:Yes.

00:18:26Marc:So you go from a very specific, I'd imagine, Puerto Rican Catholic Christmas situation to a fairly specific Irish Catholic.

00:18:38Marc:We would ping pong.

00:18:40Marc:We would just bounce all around.

00:18:41Marc:The food was probably better at the Puerto Rican situation.

00:18:44Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:45Guest:There was a little more flavor.

00:18:46Guest:But, I mean, there was something, you know, that both cultures offered, you know.

00:18:54Guest:Yeah?

00:18:55Guest:Like why?

00:18:56Guest:Well, you know, just everybody likes to party, you know.

00:19:01Guest:Yeah, sure, sure.

00:19:02Guest:It was a very...

00:19:05Guest:Drunky?

00:19:07Guest:Kind of culture, yeah.

00:19:10Guest:It had its ups and downs.

00:19:16Guest:But that was the neighborhood, too.

00:19:17Guest:A lot of partying.

00:19:20Guest:I have a good friend.

00:19:22Guest:One of my best friends is from Astoria, Queens.

00:19:25Marc:Yeah, I lived there for a few years.

00:19:27Guest:I know you lived there.

00:19:27Guest:He lived on Dittmar's right near the train, and his name is George Silides.

00:19:35Guest:So he's Greek, and we would often talk about the differences between Queens and the Bronx, especially in terms of like drugs and alcohol, you know, and that the Bronx was much more alcohol-oriented, whereas Queens was more like codeine and sort of like...

00:19:52Guest:Quaaludes.

00:19:53Guest:No kidding.

00:19:54Marc:That kind of head.

00:19:55Marc:I don't know if I noticed that.

00:19:57Marc:I did notice after I went back to New York in 2005 or 2006, I noticed there were dope heads on the train to Queens.

00:20:07Marc:I assumed that some of that business must have went elsewhere, that on the Lower East Side, it doesn't have the heroin it used to.

00:20:15Marc:But I saw it a few times.

00:20:17Marc:I would see people looking like they were going to score out there.

00:20:21Marc:Dip Mars.

00:20:21Marc:Yeah.

00:20:22Marc:Maybe that started where maybe some of that business moved out there.

00:20:25Marc:I don't know.

00:20:26Guest:I think it was kind of a widespread.

00:20:28Guest:My friend, you know, David Krumholtz lived in Forest Hills.

00:20:32Guest:And he would just talk about how there was like a sort of a mental institution out there.

00:20:38Guest:So there was just like a lot of crazy people on medication.

00:20:41Guest:Everywhere.

00:20:42Guest:on the island in queens yeah like we're and whereas the bronx is a lot more sort of rowdy you know sort of uh you know a lot more drinking going on there yeah what'd your old man do well my father is uh was a uh was is a placement counselor you know he's a headhunter he's always worked in manhattan he's always worn like you know nice suits he's always taking me out to get fitted for like a nice suited oh yeah

00:21:07Guest:you know men's warehouse or barney's or something you know like uh ties he has a great collection of really tasteful nice clothes and he worked in an office he worked in the daily news building in the early 80s you know where they filmed superman so you walk into the uh the lobby and it has the big planets yeah yeah and my my mom is an artist you know she's uh she went to high school of art and design and uh school of visual arts and uh you know didn't pursue like a a

00:21:37Guest:career at it but but never stopped doing it and passed that on to me so i what's her medium uh she's a you know oil painter she's a sculptor uh-huh uh she was dressmaker and she can write and uh and they're still together they're still together yeah isn't that sweet it is sweet when did you start acting

00:21:59Guest:When I was 14, I started going to the Lee Strasburg Theater Institute.

00:22:04Marc:Your parents were supportive of the decision to kind of take those classes?

00:22:08Marc:They wanted you to get involved?

00:22:10Guest:No, not right away.

00:22:11Guest:They told me to wait a while.

00:22:13Guest:When I told them I wanted to be interactive, they said, give it a year.

00:22:17Guest:So I did, and then I saw... So that was when you were 13?

00:22:21Marc:Yes.

00:22:21Marc:Yeah.

00:22:23Marc:What made you want to do it?

00:22:24Guest:Well, I went to see...

00:22:26Guest:uh the movie Terms of Endearment yeah kind of knocked me out I really was kind of like blown away by that movie Jack Nicholson yeah Shirley MacLaine too right and uh I just kind of really fell in love I was kind of desperate at that point to to pursue it just because of whatever that movie you know that movie made me kind of uh

00:22:49Guest:That was some experience.

00:22:51Marc:It was.

00:22:51Marc:It's a real tearjerker.

00:22:53Marc:It is, yeah.

00:22:54Marc:Takes you on a little rollercoaster ride.

00:22:56Marc:It does.

00:22:57Marc:Jerks you around.

00:22:58Guest:Yeah.

00:22:58Guest:There's a lot of great acting in it, too.

00:22:59Guest:John Lithgow, Deborah Winger.

00:23:01Guest:Yeah.

00:23:02Guest:Jeff Daniels.

00:23:03Marc:Jeff Daniels.

00:23:04Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:23:04Marc:The power of acting.

00:23:06Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:23:06Guest:I mean, I'm more of a De Niro Pacino guy, but that movie was the, you know.

00:23:13Marc:What do you think it was about it?

00:23:14Marc:Just the way you felt?

00:23:16Marc:That you were moved?

00:23:17Yeah.

00:23:17Guest:Yeah, I guess it was the... I don't know.

00:23:20Guest:You know, I've been revisiting a lot of movies.

00:23:24Guest:Like, I just watched American Graffiti the other night.

00:23:28Guest:Again?

00:23:28Guest:Again.

00:23:29Guest:And just can never get over how great, you know, Richard Dreyfuss is in that movie.

00:23:34Guest:Right.

00:23:35Guest:And, you know, Mackenzie Phillips.

00:23:36Guest:Yeah.

00:23:36Guest:Paul LaMatte and Candy Clark.

00:23:39Guest:Yeah.

00:23:40Guest:It's just like...

00:23:41Guest:They seem so real.

00:23:42Guest:There's such a spontaneity in their performances.

00:23:46Guest:It was an infectious energy.

00:23:50Guest:It's like what John Lennon used to say about songwriting.

00:23:59Guest:It takes hearing something by Mick Jagger to make him feel like, oh, shit, that makes me want to make a record.

00:24:06Guest:Right.

00:24:06Guest:You know, when I see someone in a good movie, it makes me want to try to find a job like that.

00:24:12Guest:Sure.

00:24:13Marc:So you're provoked by terms of endearment to go to Lee Strasberg.

00:24:18Guest:It is.

00:24:19Guest:It was a provocation in a way.

00:24:21Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:24:23Guest:And you show up there at 14.

00:24:25Marc:How were you received over there?

00:24:27Guest:Um...

00:24:27Guest:I think, you know, I was never made to feel like I didn't belong there.

00:24:31Guest:I was welcome right away.

00:24:33Guest:I was just kind of, you know, once I got set loose in that place, it was the place for me to be.

00:24:40Guest:You were the kid?

00:24:40Guest:I became the kid.

00:24:43Guest:There was another kid there at the time.

00:24:45Guest:Yeah, what happened to that kid?

00:24:46Guest:He's out of the picture now.

00:24:47Guest:I was like, you know, you ain't the kid no more.

00:24:50Guest:Yeah.

00:24:51Guest:But it took about a year of... Of outacting him?

00:24:55Guest:Yeah.

00:24:55Guest:So are we chipping away at his confidence?

00:24:58Guest:Yeah.

00:24:59Guest:You know, I stole some of his material, actually.

00:25:02Guest:Oh, did you?

00:25:02Guest:This guy was... Maybe he's still acting.

00:25:05Guest:He was doing a monologue from The Catcher in the Rye, and I was pretty amazed by the material.

00:25:13Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:25:13Guest:I didn't think he was doing it very well.

00:25:16Marc:But it was a unique approach to pull a monologue from The Catcher in the Rye.

00:25:19Guest:Yeah, maybe not that original, but it didn't make any difference.

00:25:25Guest:I mean, I was like, that's that book I was supposed to read in my freshman year of high school, and I didn't.

00:25:30Guest:So I reread it, and I was like, I started doing the same thing that this guy was doing, only better.

00:25:38Guest:Right.

00:25:39Marc:What was the training at that point?

00:25:40Marc:I mean, at least Straussburg.

00:25:41Marc:I mean, you would work with a teacher.

00:25:44Marc:Do you remember the teacher?

00:25:45Marc:Did the teacher have an effect on you?

00:25:46Guest:Yes, there was a man named Jeffrey Horne who was an actor, is an actor himself, but he was in the movie The Bridge on the River Kwai.

00:25:55Guest:And he was kind of a star in the making in the 50s.

00:26:02Guest:And he was a real inspirational guy because he would share a lot of his own personal stories.

00:26:12Marc:But did he miss his shot?

00:26:14Guest:Was it like that?

00:26:15Guest:A little bit.

00:26:17Guest:A little bit.

00:26:17Guest:But, you know, these days I really look up to him just for his... I mean, he's still teaching there.

00:26:26Guest:Is he?

00:26:27Guest:Yeah.

00:26:28Guest:He's a...

00:26:30Guest:And what was it that had such an impact on you?

00:26:33Guest:He was just a very kind guy.

00:26:35Guest:He had a very gentle way about him, a very gentlemanly way about him.

00:26:40Guest:A lot of the other teachers at the school were much more strict, much more, I mean, it was kind of harder to get along with some of them, you know?

00:26:50Guest:How'd you get discovered?

00:26:52Guest:uh well i was i was pretty fortunate that uh a casting director there was a movie called the lost angels it's kind of a forgotten film but uh the pretty big director about that hugh hudson is a british director uh-huh and it was a starring a vehicle for for ad-rock from the beastie boys when he was going to be an actor uh-huh and uh

00:27:15Guest:Um, uh, they went around to all the schools looking for, you know, they wanted new faces.

00:27:21Guest:And, uh, I, I got to go in and meet the casting director because of, uh, you know, the notice that she sent to the Strasburg Institute.

00:27:29Guest:Right.

00:27:29Guest:And then they just laid it on me and said, go get it, you know?

00:27:32Guest:Yeah.

00:27:33Guest:And, uh, and so that's how that happened.

00:27:36Guest:I ended up getting cast in that movie.

00:27:38Yeah.

00:27:38Guest:How was it?

00:27:40Guest:It was great.

00:27:41Guest:I made friends on that project who I'm still friends with to this day.

00:27:49Guest:How big was the part?

00:27:50Guest:Not big.

00:27:51Guest:It wasn't big at all, but I did work on it for three months.

00:27:56Guest:You were around.

00:27:58Guest:There was a lot of opportunities just to be around.

00:28:01Marc:So you got to know what a set is like, how that works.

00:28:05Guest:All that stuff.

00:28:06Guest:Yeah.

00:28:07Guest:Yeah, it was, you know, we spent some time in San Antonio shooting it, and then they brought us out to L.A., and that was the first time I ever came out here was to work on that movie.

00:28:16Guest:That's exciting.

00:28:17Guest:And how old were you?

00:28:18Guest:At that point, I was 19.

00:28:21Guest:So you finished high school?

00:28:24Guest:Sort of.

00:28:25Guest:Yeah.

00:28:27Guest:I mean, it was hard to stay interested in high school after I started going to the Strasburg Institute.

00:28:34Guest:So did you get...

00:28:35Marc:And how did your parents feel about that?

00:28:38Guest:I think they understood.

00:28:40Marc:So did you graduate or what?

00:28:43Guest:I went to the graduation ceremony, but they didn't give me my diploma.

00:28:47Guest:I hadn't earned it.

00:28:49Guest:I still had a lot of credits to make up.

00:28:52Guest:And they said, you can have it if you go to summer school.

00:28:56Guest:I'm not doing that.

00:28:59Guest:Just give me my diploma, man.

00:29:02Marc:Who wants to go to summer school?

00:29:05Marc:I had to do that once because I fucked up.

00:29:07Marc:It's horrible.

00:29:09Marc:Summer school?

00:29:10Marc:Yeah.

00:29:11Marc:How many times did you have to do that?

00:29:13Marc:One summer.

00:29:14Marc:I don't even know if I made it through because I broke my ankle midway through it.

00:29:18Marc:I don't know how the hell I made it through high school, to be honest with you.

00:29:21Marc:I just don't know.

00:29:23Marc:I was so distracted and so bored and just tired and disconnected.

00:29:27Marc:Very few things held my attention.

00:29:29Guest:But then you went to Boston University, and you majored in English literature.

00:29:36Guest:So were the roots of that in high school, were you not interested in... I think my senior year of high school, my mind sort of got blown by some stuff.

00:29:44Marc:I took a poetry class, I started hanging around the university, and I started hanging around this bookstore.

00:29:50Marc:So my mind started to get blown a little bit in the last couple of years of high school.

00:29:55Marc:I also started to panic in the last year of high school.

00:29:58Marc:I thought I wasn't going to go to college.

00:30:01Marc:I was like, fuck it.

00:30:01Marc:And I was kind of pissed off at my parents and this and that.

00:30:04Marc:But the last year of college, I was like, I got to get out of here.

00:30:07Marc:Or the last year of high school, I got to get out of here.

00:30:09Marc:So I locked in.

00:30:11Marc:I locked in.

00:30:12Marc:And I aced it.

00:30:14Marc:I got straight A's the last year.

00:30:15Marc:It wasn't enough to get me into a good school because I ended up going to another school the first year.

00:30:20Marc:But it proved to me that I could do it, that everyone was right, that I was just not applying myself.

00:30:25Guest:So you applied yourself?

00:30:29Guest:Yeah, the last year.

00:30:31Guest:Did some part of you feel like, why didn't I do this from the get-go?

00:30:36Marc:I don't know.

00:30:37Marc:I've never been good at compartmentalizing learning.

00:30:40Marc:I just take things in, and it's still hard for me to realize there's a context to everything.

00:30:47Marc:Even an English degree is something I kind of cobbled together.

00:30:49Marc:It was not the agenda, you know what I mean?

00:30:52Marc:I took a lot of film classes, film study classes, and art classes, history of photography and stuff.

00:30:59Marc:So I was able to sort of get this art history minor, you know, like film crit minor, just because I was interested in things.

00:31:07Marc:So I was like, I just wanted to learn some stuff, and then I was able to kind of like, all right, if I do that one and that one, I can major in this thing.

00:31:13Marc:yeah but i was never very good at writing papers or you know i was good at bullshitting but i had a hard time contextualizing things like everything had it was very life or death with me you know yeah you're never like you know this is just how we're learning about the romantic poets i'm like no but these guys are real you know so did you wait till the last minute to do a lot of things

00:31:36Marc:Yeah, yeah, I still do.

00:31:38Marc:I still do.

00:31:38Marc:You?

00:31:39Guest:Yeah, you know, I think that's a motive, you know, or a... Gets you in it.

00:31:47Guest:Modus operandi.

00:31:48Guest:Gets you in it.

00:31:48Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:31:49Marc:Yeah, I know, you know, some people really lay stuff out and they prepare and they, you know, they probably do, you know, I guess in the fields that you and I are in, it's not... No one's saying, like, you know, it seemed like you didn't do your work two weeks ago.

00:32:03Marc:You're going to show up.

00:32:04Marc:Yeah.

00:32:04Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:32:06Guest:There's an adrenaline that comes with knowing you only have five minutes left to do a week's worth of work.

00:32:14Marc:Yeah, and also I think it's about being present a bit.

00:32:19Marc:I mean, obviously you should get your ducks in a row if they need to be in a row.

00:32:24Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:32:25Guest:It helps to be organized.

00:32:27Guest:Yeah.

00:32:27Guest:It helps to be prepared.

00:32:28Guest:That was something that Jeffrey Horn always told the students, you know, more than anything other, you know, more than like sense memory or he just told people to be prepared.

00:32:39Guest:What did that mean?

00:32:40Guest:that's a good uh i think it it had it had several meanings uh you know i think he he would uh say that uh you know he was unprepared for the opportunities that came his way in his youth when he was a you know young actor a young actor because of uh drinking and stuff like that oh yeah and uh

00:33:03Guest:But I think it also applies to just having a craft and having a technique.

00:33:08Guest:Sure, get it in place.

00:33:09Marc:Once you've done it enough, you can kind of rely on it a little bit.

00:33:13Marc:Yeah.

00:33:13Marc:It's not going to leave you hanging.

00:33:15Marc:That's right.

00:33:15Marc:So that sounds like a guy had some regrets, that guy.

00:33:18Guest:A few.

00:33:20Guest:I suppose.

00:33:21Marc:Maybe not too many.

00:33:22Marc:He's all right?

00:33:23Marc:He's all right, yeah.

00:33:24Marc:Now, when you do... Okay, so you do Lost Angels, and then what happens?

00:33:27Marc:How do you get from there to Goodfellas?

00:33:31Guest:I mean, I was certainly a milestone, and it came a lot earlier than I... I mean, I... Yeah.

00:33:37Guest:You know, when you're...

00:33:39Guest:Say you want to be in a rock band.

00:33:41Guest:Sure.

00:33:43Guest:If you're getting into that when you're 42, it's a little too late to expect anything great to happen, right?

00:33:51Guest:Yeah, probably.

00:33:51Guest:Because it's a young man's game, right?

00:33:53Guest:Probably.

00:33:54Guest:When Bob Dylan was writing his greatest material, arguably, he was 22 years old.

00:33:59Guest:Yeah.

00:33:59Guest:And the moment has to be seized at that age.

00:34:04Guest:And when I was watching American Graffiti, the reason that the movie had such impact was because of the vitality of these youthful people in the movie.

00:34:12Guest:So you see Richard Dreyfuss only had one chance to channel all of that energy of that age that he was when he made that film.

00:34:21Guest:How old was he?

00:34:22Guest:I guess maybe he was in his 20s.

00:34:26Guest:Let's say he was in his 20s.

00:34:27Guest:Okay.

00:34:28Guest:I'm grateful that Goodfellas happened when I was 19.

00:34:32Guest:Yeah.

00:34:33Guest:Because it might have been too late if it was any later than that.

00:34:36Guest:Yeah.

00:34:37Guest:I mean, the opportunity wouldn't have come to...

00:34:39Guest:You know, the chance to be in Goodfellas only comes around once.

00:34:42Guest:Sure.

00:34:43Guest:You know, and it came around for me, and it was because, well, the movie that I did with Ad-Rock led to me getting... Lost Angels.

00:34:52Guest:Lost Angels.

00:34:53Guest:I got an agent added at, and then I started getting auditions, and maybe my third one was for Goodfellas.

00:35:00Guest:yeah uh and uh i mean i did kind of i brought that to them i said i just read in a magazine that scorsese's making a movie out of this book wise guy and so they looked into it and the the first feedback i got from my then agent was that there was nothing in it for me yeah and i thought that made no sense because it's a new york story and you know this gotta be a lot of roles in there i gotta i you know uh and so um

00:35:26Guest:there did end up being a role that was available i did go in and read for the casting director and and then she did you know say okay you can come back to meet marty tomorrow at the brill building it's like i'm there this is happening it's happening and so i i uh my father helped me with my audition it was a scene from the movie between uh henry hill and and uh paulie right after henry gets out of jail

00:35:52Guest:and uh you're reading for who i was reading the henry hill part was that what you were going in for oh no i mean ray leota already had the part right but it was that that's the scene that they were giving people to read i get it yeah yeah yeah um so uh you know it was uh you know two pages long it wasn't that hard to you know i i was uh there was a sense of urgency about disappointment and uh

00:36:15Guest:you know i really had to steady myself by uh for the for the you know uh walking into that room and and and and seeing him you know thinking this is marty this is gonna go down yeah and there he was he was kind of he had his back to me when he was looking up at something on the wall but then he turned around then he was like oh how you doing come on in let's what's uh what's so you're uh

00:36:36Guest:you're in the lemon sisters which was on my resume it was a maybe my the second thing i had done and he goes they were yeah they were editing that uh right downstairs i was like that's cool i might you know if i'm still in it because i'll tell you a story about a guy uh i had to cut him out of after hours you remember that guy it's his first movie i had to cut him out it happens

00:36:59Guest:So what are you going to do for us today?

00:37:00Guest:I'm like, so then we read the scene.

00:37:02Guest:The whole thing went so fast.

00:37:04Guest:And by the time it was over, it was just like, he was like, good, good.

00:37:08Guest:That's great.

00:37:08Guest:Yeah.

00:37:09Guest:Thanks for coming in.

00:37:10Guest:And I couldn't leave.

00:37:13Guest:You know, I was sort of stuck in the doorframe.

00:37:16Guest:Yeah.

00:37:17Guest:starting to get really emotional i said i gotta say that i uh i wasn't gonna i swear to god i wasn't gonna do this and i can't not do it i gotta tell you know when i told i was like i just i love you i love you i love your movies and i love you and i love it just means so much to me and you know i i got really kind of uh uh i started to have a meltdown uh-huh somewhat

00:37:42Guest:internally anyway but but he was like ah it's great no no no that's good that's good it's early it's early in the day i can use that yeah you're you're cracking your heart open and he's and he was like uh you know i gotta uh gotta get out of my day a little bit yeah no you know a little flattery and early in the morning is just just you know of what he needed yeah yeah

00:38:05Guest:And an hour later, I got hired, which is, you know.

00:38:13Marc:And he knew what part he wanted you to be.

00:38:15Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:38:16Guest:And I knew what part I was reading for.

00:38:19Guest:But that was not the scene you did with him, or it was?

00:38:21Guest:No, that wasn't.

00:38:22Guest:There was really nothing for the Michael character to read.

00:38:27Guest:Right.

00:38:28Guest:So it was fun stepping into Henry Hill's shoes and pretending I was reading for that.

00:38:32Guest:But more so, it was fun just to be with him, I guess.

00:38:34Guest:oh yeah yeah yeah he he's he's just you know he he has an energy he invented it he invented new york cinema in a way he did yeah i i would agree with that you know yeah like uh and you know once i was on the set it was so uh just the having so much access to him which i did a lot of people who've worked with him have talked you know described a different experience um

00:39:00Guest:from the one I had but for me I just he was always the most approachable person on the set I mean that might have had something to do with me being 19 or 20 years old and just being a kid and not knowing any better and I didn't have I didn't recognize any boundaries I was so drawn to him and I wanted to know things like I had to know

00:39:27Guest:certain things like what like I had to know what the music was in mean streets that comes on after Johnny boy throws the dynamite off the roof those are the kind of things you need to yeah and it was then I told him I could can I ask you and the Spanish music that because oh yeah that was a read most abroso by Ray Barreto I used one of his songs on my first film who's that knocking on my door

00:39:52Guest:El Watusi, I'll make a tape of it for you.

00:39:55Guest:And he did.

00:39:55Guest:He sent me, two weeks after I was finished with the job, I got a cassette tape in the mail with a note from his assistant saying, Marty, you asked me to send this to you.

00:40:07Guest:And it had two songs by Ray Barreto on it, El Watusi and Ritmo Sabroso.

00:40:13Guest:Which was the one he used from the dynamite, the post-dynamite.

00:40:16Guest:Yes, that...

00:40:21Guest:But for me, that was like Nirvana, getting to receive that information, you know, because I'm just obsessed with music.

00:40:33Guest:And I'm obsessed with his obsession with music.

00:40:37Guest:And I feel like he's more than a filmmaker.

00:40:40Guest:He's like a DJ.

00:40:41Guest:And all the music in his films, as we know, are just so, you know, it's like a perfect marriage between, you know, music and cinema.

00:40:50Marc:Goodfellas is a masterpiece.

00:40:52Guest:Just, you know, minute after every, from wall to wall.

00:40:57Marc:I watch it all the time.

00:40:58Marc:I mean, I watch it at least twice a year, I think.

00:41:01Guest:Yeah.

00:41:02Guest:Do you?

00:41:02Guest:That's about my average.

00:41:05Marc:Maybe once a year, but it's... I watch Casino once a year, but Goodfellas twice, probably.

00:41:12Guest:Yeah, I'm with you.

00:41:16Guest:I ran into Ray Liotta a couple of years ago out here for an event at the Bel Air Hotel.

00:41:24Guest:It was a cocktail reception for Hugo.

00:41:26Guest:Right.

00:41:27Guest:So everyone showed up for this thing who'd ever been in a Scorsese film.

00:41:32Guest:you know i said you remember me i played your brother in goodfellas he goes yeah yeah yeah how's it going i'm like good great you know you were um you were really great in that movie haven't seen even because we hadn't seen each other since we were on the set and it's it's like it's great it's like so long ago it's a classic now you know it's a classic right because he said he never watched it after uh the the uh what you saw that in an interview or something

00:41:57Guest:no i asked him i said you've do you do you watch goodfellas he goes i've only seen it once yeah i saw the premiere that was it like really wow i feel stupid i've seen it like a hundred times you know most people i've seen it do watch it a lot and you've only seen ray liot has only seen goodfellas once why do you why do you think did you ask him why

00:42:19Guest:I don't think he's that interested in looking at himself.

00:42:25Guest:He doesn't seem to... I don't know if there is a movie that he's so... I don't know if he's the kind of guy who gets that sentimental about...

00:42:35Guest:movies i guess that's true like i like when you do how often do you watch other movies been in you know dozens of movies oh i i i like to i i know just how he feels you know sure but that movie's a master that thing's it oh yeah yeah no it works yeah yeah you know it's it's it's kind of like uh um it's uh it's it's foolproof you know you can't not watch it it's just so masterfully put together do you feel good about your work in that movie not really no

00:43:03Marc:But do you think that you watch and go like, yeah, I could have said I'm starring it differently.

00:43:08Guest:Kind of, you know, or I could have changed the line or I could have.

00:43:11Guest:But I was so, you know, on my best behavior, which can be the worst, you know, approach.

00:43:18Marc:Well, that was that was like your first big movie.

00:43:20Guest:Yeah, I mean, I didn't feel there wasn't a whole lot of excitement in my work in that film.

00:43:26Guest:I was having too much fun in between takes talking to Marty.

00:43:30Marc:And what else did you ask him?

00:43:31Marc:What were the other compulsive sort of like needs?

00:43:34Guest:Like I said, when did Main Streets take place?

00:43:40Guest:And he goes, it takes place in the early 60s.

00:43:42Guest:I'm like, okay, because it came out in the early 70s.

00:43:46Guest:And no one ever says when it is.

00:43:48Guest:And he goes, yeah, no, it is the early 60s.

00:43:52Guest:Huh.

00:43:52Guest:And I was like, that's, because I can, that makes so much sense to me now.

00:43:57Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:43:58Marc:Because everyone associates it with the 70s.

00:44:00Guest:Yeah.

00:44:00Guest:You know, like there's even a line in the movie where one of the Carradine brothers is like a Vietnam veteran.

00:44:06Guest:And, you know, David Preval, he's the guy, he starts to freak out and goes, Jerry, you're back in America now.

00:44:13Guest:You're back in America.

00:44:14Guest:Yeah.

00:44:14Marc:So is that Bobby Carradine?

00:44:15Marc:Who was it?

00:44:16Guest:He's too young.

00:44:17Marc:It wasn't David.

00:44:18Marc:Was it Keith?

00:44:19Guest:Keith.

00:44:20Guest:Yeah.

00:44:21Guest:Yeah.

00:44:21Guest:He's the one who's like, I have to go to the bathroom.

00:44:24Guest:Yeah.

00:44:25Guest:And Keitel goes, go ahead.

00:44:26Guest:What do you want me to hold it for you?

00:44:30Guest:Yeah.

00:44:30Guest:But just all the minutiae of the film, like I just wanted to... I was always going up to sneaking up behind him, you know?

00:44:39Guest:What is this?

00:44:39Guest:Another question?

00:44:40Guest:I mean, what are you... Like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

00:44:42Guest:He goes, no, I'm only kidding.

00:44:43Guest:I'm like, what do you want to know?

00:44:45Guest:And I was like, tell me, you know, I was just always feeding off of... But he's so, you know, he's so game.

00:44:52Guest:Or he was for me, I don't know.

00:44:54Guest:He indulged me.

00:44:56Guest:He really did.

00:44:56Guest:Yeah.

00:44:57Guest:he's probably happy to have uh you on the set someone who was that excited about it young guy yeah yeah i i guess did you have any contact with him after before like we do you were in the departed too right yeah yeah that uh it was you know i had the privilege of being in two is you know getting to do that twice uh and and pester him again yeah

00:45:23Guest:Yeah, it was like not a day had gone by.

00:45:27Guest:I was 16 years older, and I felt just like that kid again.

00:45:33Guest:And I said, so Marty, you know Cream is getting back together?

00:45:39Guest:He goes, I know.

00:45:40Guest:I was going to go to that show, but I couldn't.

00:45:41Guest:I was in pre-production for this.

00:45:42Guest:And I said, so yeah.

00:45:44Guest:So hey, listen, let me ask you something.

00:45:46Guest:I know...

00:45:47Guest:Sajjat Ray, the- Indian director.

00:45:52Guest:I said there was a scene in one of his movies where there's these Indian musicians playing bagpipes, they're wearing kilts.

00:46:00Guest:And he's like, yeah, that was the Apu trilogy.

00:46:02Guest:He remembered the scene exactly.

00:46:05Guest:And I was like, well, what's up with that?

00:46:07Guest:I mean, you have that drone, that bagpipe drone.

00:46:11Guest:And the sitar kind of thing is, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, every culture, you know, discovers that at some point or another, they sort of have a, you know, they find that if they take a stomach lining of an animal, dry it out, a couple of months go by, and then they hit it and it goes, oh, they're like, oh, wow.

00:46:28Guest:That happens to every culture over...

00:46:31Guest:over the the centuries that wasn't even a question you were asking really yeah no it was it just we worked ourselves up into a he gets very you know the often you know uh the first ad would have to come over and break it up oh really because you were just going he's like uh we're ready to go here this shot's all set up uh but he was you know i asked him about i know everybody knows you're rolling stones guy but what are you thinking of beatles

00:46:56Guest:He goes, I love the Beatles.

00:46:57Guest:I've just never been able to use any of their music in my films.

00:47:01Guest:But he ended up using John Lennon's song in that movie.

00:47:05Marc:Were you like Leonardo?

00:47:06Marc:Were you guys friends?

00:47:08Guest:Yeah, I had fun working with him.

00:47:09Guest:We had a good time.

00:47:11Guest:Although I did have to break the ice.

00:47:13Guest:Yeah.

00:47:14Guest:I met him on an airplane right before he went to work on Gangs of New York.

00:47:19Guest:Uh-huh.

00:47:21Guest:And we had a mutual friend, Michael Rappaport.

00:47:23Guest:Yeah.

00:47:24Guest:So that's how I started.

00:47:24Guest:How's he doing?

00:47:25Guest:Michael's doing pretty good.

00:47:27Guest:Good.

00:47:27Guest:He's great on an episode of Louie.

00:47:30Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:47:31Marc:I haven't seen it yet.

00:47:32Guest:Yeah, I just finally caught up with that, watched that a week ago.

00:47:40Guest:He was tremendous in that.

00:47:42Guest:He's doing okay.

00:47:44Guest:Yeah, I like Leo.

00:47:44Guest:He's a sweet guy.

00:47:45Guest:I drew him out.

00:47:48Guest:I got him to talk about some stuff, and it was kind of interesting.

00:47:52Marc:Yeah, I think you should do a movie of just you and Marty Scorsese, but he has to be doing other things.

00:48:00Guest:i would do it if he would act in the movie like i would love to see a scorsese movie where he was the star of the movie yeah i mean he's i think he's a really underrated actor based on the the cab scene in taxi driver that and also he added a part in that movie guilty by suspicion oh yeah yeah he played van gogh in a kurosawa film called dreams he also had a little moment in king of comedy as the uh as the director director the tv director it's funny it's funny

00:48:29Guest:Yeah, and he played an agent in the Dexter Gordon movie, Round Midnight.

00:48:34Guest:He's a great actor.

00:48:35Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:48:36Guest:And he's really funny.

00:48:37Guest:He's like one of the funniest people you could ever meet.

00:48:41Guest:It's like he should be a stand-up comic.

00:48:43Guest:He's like Gilbert Gottfried or something.

00:48:45Guest:He's just... Good character.

00:48:47Guest:Do you talk to him outside of socially in any one?

00:48:51Guest:No, never.

00:48:51Guest:I never... The last time I saw him was at that thing for... Hugo.

00:48:56Guest:Hugo.

00:48:57Guest:Uh-huh.

00:48:58Guest:I...

00:48:59Guest:I was, you know, sort of competing for, you know, the next moment with Marty from everybody wanted to talk to him.

00:49:07Guest:It was like the State of the Union address where the president can't leave the building without shaking 2,000 hands.

00:49:17Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:17Guest:Having a moment with each and every one of these people.

00:49:20Guest:And I remember Franny Liebowitz and I were looking at each other like...

00:49:27Guest:as if to say i'm i'm next i'm next yeah um it's like you know yeah well you made a movie about you you documentary film about you uh but when i when i finally got to to talk to him yeah at that event i i i uh i was telling him how much i enjoyed living in the material world the george harrison documentary i said that's

00:49:50Guest:Just fabulous.

00:49:51Guest:What a great, great movie that was.

00:49:54Guest:I think he really nailed it with that movie.

00:49:56Guest:And he's like, yep, that's the one.

00:50:01Guest:And he moved on.

00:50:02Guest:And I couldn't tell whether he was like, you should be saying about my current film.

00:50:06Guest:That's my last one.

00:50:08Marc:That was a documentary he did about George Harrison?

00:50:10Guest:Yes.

00:50:10Guest:I didn't see it.

00:50:11Guest:Leave it to him to make the best Beatle movie.

00:50:14Guest:I think I saw that he did a Dylan movie.

00:50:17Guest:He did, yeah, No Direction Home.

00:50:21Guest:I loved when he was on, I forget what talk show, Charlie Rose or something, and they were asking him, so what's the significance of the title, No Direction Home?

00:50:30Guest:What do you think it is?

00:50:31Guest:It's a song, right?

00:50:33Guest:But the way he put it, well, you know, No Direction Home, it's like we're constantly looking for a home as artists, as people, just living our life.

00:50:40Guest:We're always looking for home, and I think eventually we finally find it when we die.

00:50:46Guest:That's it.

00:50:47Guest:And then we're finally home.

00:50:48Marc:How did Charlie handle that?

00:50:51Marc:In his usual way.

00:50:52Marc:Feel that question.

00:50:54Marc:I know that you did this, you did Grounded for Life forever.

00:50:58Marc:That was a long time, right?

00:50:59Guest:Yeah, that was a while back.

00:51:02Guest:It's resurfaced now on Netflix, so people are hearing about it again.

00:51:08Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:51:11Marc:That was a big job, though.

00:51:12Marc:Do you like working in TV, too?

00:51:13Yeah.

00:51:13Guest:Yeah, I did.

00:51:14Guest:I did enjoy it, yeah.

00:51:17Guest:I'd been on a show with Malcolm McDowell in 97 or something.

00:51:25Guest:It was a multi-camera show, and that whole way of working was so new to me at the time, and I didn't have a lot of fun, and I never thought I would go back to doing that again.

00:51:38Guest:But then Grounded for Life came along, and...

00:51:40Guest:You know, that was kind of a 50-50 experience, but Donal was there, and I don't know if you know Donal Logue, but he's a great guy, and I would have lost my mind if it weren't for him.

00:51:52Guest:How's he doing?

00:51:54Guest:I think he's doing pretty good.

00:51:55Guest:He's got so many things going on.

00:51:57Guest:He's on that show Gotham.

00:51:59Guest:Is that still on?

00:52:01Marc:I don't know what's on television.

00:52:03Guest:Sons of Anarchy.

00:52:05Marc:Yeah, he always seems to be working.

00:52:06Marc:He's like you.

00:52:07Marc:You guys always seem to be working.

00:52:08Guest:Yeah, the sort of journeyman actors.

00:52:11Marc:Well, how come... What about music, then?

00:52:14Marc:You know, I mean, you seem like a freak for it, and you play some.

00:52:18Marc:I know I just downloaded the album that you did with Crystal Robot's band.

00:52:23Guest:Yeah, that guy, it's mainly, all the music in that project is written by a guy from New York named Daniel Harnett.

00:52:32Guest:And he had a band in the early mid-90s called Glimm, and they had a residency at a club on St.

00:52:41Guest:Mark's Place called Cheney.

00:52:42Guest:And actually, Jeff Buckley made his New York debut sitting in with them.

00:52:49Guest:With Glimm?

00:52:50Guest:With Glimm.

00:52:50Guest:And Daniel and Jeff kind of rubbed off on each other.

00:52:53Guest:Daniel has a very impressive vocal range.

00:52:58Guest:And he's a prolific songwriter.

00:53:01Guest:I mean, he's just... And I've never heard one that I didn't like.

00:53:06Guest:I sort of met him more through the acting circles, but I became a real fan of his music.

00:53:12Guest:and uh i began archiving it uh i mean he just has like a thousand songs wow and uh do you have a label no it's just us you know self-released uh but um i i started to say you should turn these these cassette demos into full songs like full studio production so i i got really i threw myself into you know making a a real album with him

00:53:37Guest:And so we've done two so far.

00:53:42Guest:I kind of threw myself into the role of pseudo-manager slash producer, not knowing anything about either of those things, but figuring that never stopped Brian Epstein.

00:53:53Guest:Sure.

00:53:54Guest:yeah so you're sitting on a real gold mine huh yeah i was like i you know someone should he's just he's like you know daniel is a bit like the character oscar isaac plays in inside lewin davis you know uh and he's you know i've taken daniel with me to see bob dylan twice because i just wanted to be in the same room with the two of them just to say i did it you know

00:54:18Guest:How long ago did you see Dylan?

00:54:19Guest:I saw him last November at the Beacon Theater.

00:54:23Guest:How was he?

00:54:24Guest:He was great.

00:54:25Guest:I think he's great.

00:54:27Marc:It's hilarious to me that he released that Sinatra record.

00:54:30Guest:Yeah.

00:54:31Marc:And for the last decade, he's been playing live and undecipherable.

00:54:36Marc:And now he puts a record out where he clearly can still sing.

00:54:41Marc:And he can clearly deliver phrasing.

00:54:45Marc:yeah it's just that for he just apparently he gets on stage and it's like how do you see him and not be like is that a big fuck you is that a decade of like none that you want this shit well i'm gonna garble through it yeah i you know he he kind of he's you know i i think he thinks of himself as a well it's like he said in that old film i'm a song and dance man no i get that i get that

00:55:06Guest:He's an actor, you know, and he's just found a new script to play with, this Sinatra song book, you know, and he has a wonderful voice.

00:55:15Guest:The last song in the evening was, you know, like nothing else the rest of the show.

00:55:22Guest:He came out and played, you know, I don't know, Strangers in the Night or something and sat at the piano and crooned.

00:55:28Guest:And it was like, who knew that Dylan could sing like that?

00:55:32Guest:uh and sure enough he had a whole album on the way of of uh material like that yeah you know it's uh i think it's a little hit and missed some some songs would come off better than others but just that he wants to do that that his creative appetite led him in that direction like you know you could see him some nights and not know what fucking song he's playing or singing yeah and yet he can still do it yeah no i choice i

00:55:58Guest:Yeah, sure, sure.

00:56:00Guest:I went to see him a year before the Beacon show at the Mohegan Sun Arena.

00:56:06Guest:We drove up there, and I thought that was going to be a bust because it was a casino.

00:56:11Marc:I've been up there.

00:56:14Marc:For those type of casinos, it's a pretty nice place.

00:56:17Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:56:19Guest:That ended up being a great show.

00:56:20Guest:It took him about five or six songs to get into a groove.

00:56:24Guest:He looked really frustrated after the end of every tune with his band.

00:56:28Guest:Really?

00:56:29Guest:He just kept kicking his piano chair away and coming back and starting the next song.

00:56:36Guest:And, but then something happened around the sixth tune.

00:56:39Guest:It was called the tune, not dark yet, but getting there from a time out of mind or something like that.

00:56:48Guest:There was something that just settled in.

00:56:50Guest:Yeah.

00:56:51Guest:You know, they kind of found their moment.

00:56:52Guest:He's like a, you know, a method actor, you know, in that way.

00:56:56Guest:Who else do you go see?

00:56:57Guest:I've seen some pretty cool shows over the years.

00:56:59Guest:I've gone to see people that I really wanted to see.

00:57:02Guest:I saw Ravi Shankar twice.

00:57:04Guest:Really?

00:57:05Guest:Once at Carnegie Hall in 98, and I saw him at UCLA in 2000.

00:57:10Marc:Just sitting there with his sitar?

00:57:12Guest:And his daughter, you know, plays the sitar as well.

00:57:15Guest:The Carnegie Hall show was just tremendous, you know.

00:57:20Guest:I mean, they take that, you know, first half hour tuning up.

00:57:24Guest:They always get applause for tuning up.

00:57:26Guest:Really?

00:57:27Marc:I've never seen the sitar show.

00:57:29Guest:Yeah, it's purely improvisational.

00:57:33Guest:I used to do a joke about it.

00:57:36Marc:It was one of my favorite jokes.

00:57:40Marc:The setup of the joke was out of protest.

00:57:45Marc:I went out and bought an album by a band.

00:57:47Marc:I don't remember what the reference was.

00:57:48Marc:I didn't even want to buy it.

00:57:50Marc:I just got bullied into it by listening to the radio.

00:57:53Marc:It bothered me that I'd been hijacked like that.

00:57:57Marc:So I went and returned that CD, and I got a CD of traditional Indian music.

00:58:01Marc:And I said, yeah, okay, you can judge me, you can laugh, but there's a song on there, half an hour long.

00:58:11Marc:And I said, it takes 10 minutes for the drums to kick in.

00:58:15LAUGHTER

00:58:15Marc:But then I said, but if you're really listening, they couldn't come in a second sooner.

00:58:24Guest:You know what was great?

00:58:25Guest:During the show, I saw that he actually broke a string.

00:58:28Guest:Oh, no shit.

00:58:30Marc:How many strings on a set?

00:58:31Marc:There's a lot.

00:58:31Marc:I don't know how many, but there's a lot.

00:58:35Guest:It's kind of a big deal to break a string on a sitar.

00:58:39Guest:It took a while to replace it, but in the meantime, he let the tabla player have a solo.

00:58:45Guest:Sure, man.

00:58:46Guest:And that was tremendous, whoever that guy was.

00:58:50Guest:Yeah.

00:58:50Guest:It was remarkable.

00:58:51Guest:Someone knows who he is.

00:58:53Marc:Yeah, someone out there knows what... Right now, you mention, oh, he's talking about this idiot.

00:58:58Marc:Yeah.

00:58:58Guest:I remember he looked a little bit like Donovan.

00:59:01Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:59:01Guest:White guy?

00:59:02Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:59:04Guest:Yeah, he looked... I love this.

00:59:06Marc:I saw a white sitar player once at a small Indian restaurant, like on 6th Avenue.

00:59:11Marc:There's 6th Street.

00:59:11Marc:6th Street.

00:59:13Marc:It's a white guy, older guy.

00:59:14Marc:He must have been like 30 or 40.

00:59:16Marc:And I remember I said, there's got to be a lot of troubling calls home.

00:59:20Marc:You know, you're like...

00:59:22Marc:I got another gig, ma.

00:59:25Guest:That's in a different Indian restaurant.

00:59:30Guest:It's heartbreaking, but I seem to be enjoying himself.

00:59:34Guest:Yeah, you got to commit.

00:59:36Guest:You got to love it.

00:59:37Guest:You got to want it.

00:59:39Marc:Do you play guitar?

00:59:40Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:59:42Marc:You do a little in the movie results.

00:59:44Marc:You're noodling around.

00:59:45Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:59:46Marc:Did they tell you, like, don't play anything we can identify?

00:59:48Guest:I think, yeah, there was a little bit of that.

00:59:51Guest:Yeah, they did say that.

00:59:53Guest:Now I'm remembering, yeah.

00:59:55Guest:But, yeah, I was 13 when I sort of went and decided I wanted a guitar.

01:00:02Guest:But, you know, my parents were like, you know, look, the acting thing is one thing, all right?

01:00:06Guest:Give it you a year to figure that out.

01:00:08Guest:We're not getting you a guitar.

01:00:10Guest:Really?

01:00:11Guest:Yeah.

01:00:11Guest:um i mean they didn't put it in those words but it was i just never got one until until i was 19 and then i had my own means of you had to wait six years and then i finally got like a an acoustic guitar yeah it was a bc rich a bc rich acoustic

01:00:34Guest:yeah huh a friend of mine out in a story up said i got a guitar i can sell you if you really want you know and uh okay that's that guitar went around it changed hands over the years he has a few of mine are out there yeah yeah what was how long have you been playing that was like 12 wow 11 or 12. who did you want to be who did you want to sound like or who was

01:00:57Marc:You know, I think I've gotten better in the last five or six years.

01:01:02Marc:Like, you know, I never had the discipline to learn leads or stuff.

01:01:07Marc:You know, and like for years I just played, my mother just would say, go practice, go practice.

01:01:13Yeah.

01:01:13Marc:And I just knew chords and stuff.

01:01:14Marc:And then when I was in high school, I started taking lessons from a guy who showed me pentatonic scales.

01:01:22Marc:And I just wanted to sound like, you know, I just wanted to know how to play that Chuck Berry thing, that beginning, that Chuck Berry beginning.

01:01:30Marc:And some kid showed me that in high school and I was like, oh my God, that's the best thing I've ever experienced in my life was knowing how to play that.

01:01:37Marc:But I could have figured it out.

01:01:38Marc:I just never took much time to figure it out.

01:01:40Marc:And then I just never stopped playing really.

01:01:44Marc:But now I play a lot and I try to play with people.

01:01:48Marc:I don't know, the sound I like now is these pedal people, Earthquaker sends me all these pedals because they sponsor sometimes.

01:02:00Marc:And there was always anti-pedals.

01:02:01Marc:I like this overdrive in an amp, like a little Fender amp.

01:02:06Marc:And just getting that dirty sound out of it.

01:02:08Marc:I used to be a Fender guy, just clean as fuck.

01:02:10Marc:Strat, clean strat, clean telly, not much dirt on it.

01:02:14Marc:But then I started playing this little Gibson Westball Jr.

01:02:17Marc:And it sounded like Johnny Thunders.

01:02:18Marc:And I'm like, is that easy to make this guitar sound like that?

01:02:20Marc:All I gotta do is dirty this up and that's a Johnny Thunders guitar?

01:02:23Marc:And I was like, that's pretty cool.

01:02:25Marc:So then I started getting into Gibson's a little bit.

01:02:27Marc:And I like dirty, but still just with pretty basic tube overdrive, not too many effects.

01:02:36Marc:I'm not a great player, but when I play, I tend to play rock and blues and some country stuff.

01:02:43Marc:But I don't play out a lot, but I'll noodle all the time.

01:02:46Marc:What about you?

01:02:50Guest:When I play guitar, I've had a handful of buddies over the years who play drums.

01:02:59Guest:And we just get together at a funkadelic or cheap studio and just jam for two hours improvising on drums.

01:03:11Guest:just guitar and drums.

01:03:12Guest:So it comes out like a real punk.

01:03:15Guest:Uh-huh.

01:03:17Guest:There's a sort of metal kind of muted chords and just grooves, you know.

01:03:20Guest:I mean, I can't lick either.

01:03:22Guest:I can't solo.

01:03:24Guest:But I love rhythms, and I love drones, and I love- You like endless boogie?

01:03:28Marc:the john lee hooker yeah no the band you ever heard oh no no i don't know them don't know them it's an old dude old dude from the island from long island i think they're from long island oh all right and it's like uh it's just sort of like swampy kind of uh hard rock groove

01:03:44Guest:oh i'll play it for you in a minute if you want yeah i would love that i love that style i love you know you know i love like um i guess a so-called sort of punk blues sound like like uh um uh john spencer blues explosion he's good yeah or um there was that band uh um gun club sure i love them jeffrey lee yeah yeah that that i like that sound a lot that's great sound yeah sure man um

01:04:13Guest:And I love, you know, I like Black Sabbath a lot.

01:04:19Guest:Me too.

01:04:20Marc:I didn't come to them until later.

01:04:23Marc:Like within the last decade.

01:04:24Marc:I was already in my 40s.

01:04:26Marc:I didn't grow up liking them.

01:04:28Marc:But now Sabbath sounds good.

01:04:30Marc:Those records sound good.

01:04:33Guest:yeah yeah on vinyl sure at the end of the day that's what it comes down to is just like sort of my friend george and i the guy in the story of sometimes we get together and to cleanse the palate sure man we'll put on um you know uh uh

01:04:50Guest:symptom of the universe or what was that other song uh confusion the uh i think it's track three on sabotage yeah okay what the hell is it uh i don't know man it's it's it just starts out with it but you play it on vinyl no over at his place we just listen you know i do that too man me and my buddy i used to when i was in college my freshman year of college me and this kid from scarsdale actually cliff

01:05:18Marc:We used to do this thing called the ACDC Cruise where I had tape, this mixtape of Bon Scott ACDC.

01:05:25Marc:And we'd just get a couple of 40s and get in the car.

01:05:28Marc:And we'd drive until we'd finish the 40s listening to ACDC.

01:05:33Marc:Just wowed.

01:05:34Guest:I'm a purist when it comes to, like, Sabbath and ACDC.

01:05:37Guest:I really can't go past the original singer.

01:05:41Marc:Yeah, me too.

01:05:42Marc:I'm even weird with the Stones.

01:05:43Marc:I have a hard time without Bill.

01:05:44Marc:I just don't.

01:05:45Marc:But, like, you too?

01:05:47Guest:I'm with you.

01:05:48Guest:Huh.

01:05:48Guest:I love his bass playing.

01:05:50Guest:Oh, his bass?

01:05:51Guest:No one ever raves about Bill Wyman's bass playing.

01:05:53Marc:You know what you got to do?

01:05:54Marc:Abco just reissued Get Your Yaya's Out.

01:05:57Marc:Listen to that fucking record.

01:05:59Marc:yeah bill and charlie are on fire the entire thing would be chaos without him just like it was i never really noticed it as clear but this this they're remastered a little so they're a little more prominent and it's just like mick taylor's great keith is great but like those guys are just like it's all about them yeah it's all about charlie and bill yeah it's and they're all business you know all business you know uh

01:06:24Guest:I love John Lennon when he's talking about Mick Jagger shaking his ass around.

01:06:30Guest:But not Bill, not Charlie.

01:06:32Guest:Those guys got to hold it down so Mick can indulge.

01:06:37Marc:So those other guys can... Well, Keith's like that, too.

01:06:40Marc:Keith is like... I talked to them both for 10 minutes.

01:06:44Marc:Keith and Mick.

01:06:46Marc:They called me two separate times.

01:06:47Marc:But I only had 10 minutes and it was tour-specific.

01:06:50Marc:But I talked to them, you know.

01:06:51Marc:And it was like, did you read Keith's book?

01:06:54Marc:Oh, yeah.

01:06:55Marc:Oh, yeah, right.

01:06:55Marc:It's like the Bible, right?

01:06:57Marc:You read it like the Bible.

01:06:57Marc:I don't want this to end.

01:06:59Marc:And then, but, you know, because I asked them both the question.

01:07:03Marc:I asked Mick, you know, do you miss Bill?

01:07:05Marc:And he goes, I miss his dancing, which is funny.

01:07:09Marc:It's funny.

01:07:10Marc:It's clever.

01:07:11Marc:Yeah.

01:07:13Marc:Right.

01:07:13Marc:And then I asked Keith the same question.

01:07:15Marc:He goes, oh, it's been like 25 years.

01:07:17Marc:I mean...

01:07:18Marc:He's a good bloke, but I like my bass player.

01:07:20Marc:He wouldn't throw the new guy under the bus because Keith just sees it as a band.

01:07:25Marc:It's his band.

01:07:26Marc:When you read his book, you're like, it's his band, and Mick is his singer.

01:07:31Marc:That's the way it goes.

01:07:33Marc:So it was a very appropriate answer, very in character.

01:07:36Marc:I like my bass player.

01:07:38Marc:If you really think of that band,

01:07:44Marc:You know, who's come in and out and, you know, and supporting players.

01:07:49Marc:But, I mean, they've had three fucking guitar players.

01:07:52Marc:Mm-hmm.

01:07:52Marc:Right?

01:07:52Marc:Brian, Ronnie, Mick, Taylor.

01:07:55Marc:Yeah.

01:07:56Marc:So, like, there is sort of an evolution to it.

01:07:59Marc:Yeah.

01:08:00Marc:And the supporting players have come and gone.

01:08:02Marc:Many of them.

01:08:03Guest:I wonder, it's like, you know, maybe you would ask maybe Paul McCartney the same thing.

01:08:07Guest:Like, how come you don't have Ringo in there playing drums?

01:08:10Guest:He's still playing drums, you know.

01:08:11Guest:You can get him in there to play.

01:08:13Guest:He's happy with the guy he has now, you know.

01:08:15Guest:It's like once you get an upgrade, you know.

01:08:18Marc:I guess it's an upgrade, because they end up playing like the other guy anyways.

01:08:22Marc:Right.

01:08:23Marc:But they're more versatile, I guess.

01:08:26Marc:I don't know, but it's weird.

01:08:27Marc:I don't understand it.

01:08:28Marc:It's weird to me, too.

01:08:29Marc:Even you saying that you never see Ray Liotta or whatever, you know what I mean?

01:08:35Marc:I always assume these guys are such good friends, but I worked with a guy on the radio for a year once, and we never hung out.

01:08:41Marc:And it's like, I guess it's just a weird thing.

01:08:44Marc:Yeah.

01:08:44Marc:Who the fuck knows?

01:08:45Marc:Right, yeah.

01:08:46Marc:They're not all having a good time.

01:08:49Guest:right yeah yeah no it's true uh someone sent me a uh a picture of woody allen recent picture he's just looks i'm like do you think he's as unhappy as he looks in this picture it's like who knows you know

01:09:06Marc:should he be what's what's it to you you know it's like you you we like we would like to think that you know all these guys are still uh yeah you're right they're probably not that close yeah you know right because i said that i said you know like well keith was very funny to talk to him for 10 minutes because they're doing this tour and this was like a month ago you know the tour is a month out i said you talked to charlie watts he goes yeah i talked to him today i asked him what he was doing he said he was packing

01:09:34Guest:it's pretty funny dude so this this new movie you like it yeah i do i like it it seems pretty quirky and interesting i am looking forward to finishing it yeah i i like all of this guy's movies he's he's this is his fifth one uh you know uh and probably his most uh you know visible one yeah god you've been in a lot of fucking movies dude

01:10:05Guest:You know, I didn't have a lot to do in most of them, but when you see all those titles, it's kind of like... You were good with Patton in the thing.

01:10:18Guest:Oh, I like that, yeah.

01:10:19Guest:I was a big fan of Patton Oswalt before working on that movie with him.

01:10:25Guest:when i got that script i read it and i i they had offered me the part of the friend and i said i kind of like the lead part yeah and uh robert the director said yeah you'd be good and you'd be good at that but we i cast it already so i don't know if you i was like yeah i'm always the friend you know i don't i don't really know if uh i don't know are you frustrated with that um

01:10:50Guest:Well, when he told me that it was going to be Patton as the lead guy, I was like, oh, I'll be his friend.

01:10:57Guest:Yeah, but it's interesting.

01:10:58Marc:You have had a career of sort of second parts.

01:11:01Guest:The perennial second banana.

01:11:04Marc:Yeah.

01:11:04Guest:But do you want to make movies?

01:11:06Guest:I mean, did you direct movies?

01:11:08Guest:I directed or co-directed.

01:11:11Guest:I'm really coming around to the admission that I didn't direct this thing.

01:11:17Guest:The other guy did, but he was gracious enough to take like a, we went on, we credited ourselves as co-directors, but he really did everything.

01:11:28Guest:And it was like a,

01:11:30Guest:Low budget kind of period piece based on a short story by a guy from the 50s named John McNulty.

01:11:37Guest:And he just wrote about drinking and about bars on 3rd Avenue.

01:11:42Guest:He was a real kind of east side Manhattan guy.

01:11:44Guest:He wrote stories for the New Yorker.

01:11:47Guest:He wrote about like horse bettors and cabbies and...

01:11:51Guest:drinkers yeah and uh uh and uh it was the easiest way to go was to just like adapt this one story by him about two guys in a bar what was it called it's called two people he never saw uh-huh it's it's on the internet uh it's it's uh me and an actor named nick sandow who's on orange is the new black uh-huh and uh

01:12:13Guest:It's pretty long for a short film.

01:12:15Guest:It's about 25 minutes long.

01:12:19Guest:But, you know, we shot it in this old bar in Brooklyn.

01:12:23Guest:I thought we kind of got at something with it.

01:12:27Guest:It's kind of hard to adapt that guy's material.

01:12:30Guest:But...

01:12:32Guest:I take credit for it.

01:12:37Guest:I take the blame for it.

01:12:38Guest:Good.

01:12:38Guest:Is it something you want to do more of?

01:12:41Guest:I do.

01:12:41Guest:I want to have another go at one of that guy's stories.

01:12:46Guest:I want to make like a kind of a 40s movie.

01:12:48Marc:What part are you looking for, really, in your mind?

01:12:52Marc:Because, you know, we started off the conversation by, you know, you talking about those organic performances of younger actors, but also like being moved by terms of endearment.

01:13:03Marc:It really seemed to have a specific sort of feel to you, the role.

01:13:07Marc:You're always looking for that right role.

01:13:09Marc:What would you like to do?

01:13:11Guest:Eh, you know, I really, I'm not sure.

01:13:15Guest:Okay.

01:13:17Guest:You'll know it when you see it.

01:13:18Guest:Well, you know, there's a part I played on this show that's coming up on TNT in August called Public Morals, and that's a period piece.

01:13:27Guest:It's set in 1967.

01:13:29Guest:It's about the public morals division of the NYPD in the mid to late 60s and the relationship between the Irish gangster underworld and the police department.

01:13:40Guest:that sounds cool i got to play uh you know a character in that name smitty who's a bookie you know and uh i you know i i i felt like i was doing what i wanted to do in in that i was tapping into something i mean i i love james cagney and i love the old days you know and and and this kind of got in we got into that a bit and that's not quite the 40s but it's you know going back yeah i'm getting there

01:14:07Guest:Yeah, right.

01:14:08Guest:I'm digging my way back.

01:14:09Guest:Oh, that's great.

01:14:10Marc:Well, I hope you get there.

01:14:14Guest:Yeah, no, I'm good at digging holes.

01:14:16Guest:Getting out of them, it's going to be another story.

01:14:19Marc:And how are your parents enjoying the... Good.

01:14:23Guest:They proud?

01:14:25Guest:They like you?

01:14:25Guest:Sure, sure.

01:14:27Guest:They get something out of it.

01:14:29Guest:They do?

01:14:30Marc:I mean, I think... It takes a while, doesn't it?

01:14:34Marc:It takes a while for them to come.

01:14:36Marc:My mother's now sort of like, I saw you on the deal.

01:14:38Marc:Now I can genuinely hear that she thinks I've done something.

01:14:44Guest:She's just coming to that.

01:14:46Guest:Last few years, yeah.

01:14:47Guest:Well, that must be gratifying.

01:14:49Guest:Better late than never.

01:14:50Guest:Do you feel that way about it?

01:14:51Guest:Yeah, sometimes.

01:14:52Guest:Sometimes.

01:14:53Guest:It's nice.

01:14:54Guest:It's nice.

01:14:55Marc:Does she understand exactly what you're doing?

01:14:57Marc:Yes.

01:14:57Marc:She listens to the podcast all the time.

01:15:00Marc:She claims it's the only way she can know what I'm up to.

01:15:03Marc:And be with you.

01:15:03Marc:Exactly.

01:15:04Marc:Yeah.

01:15:04Marc:Well, it's good.

01:15:05Marc:We both get along with our parents.

01:15:07Marc:Yeah, it's so boring.

01:15:09Marc:Is it?

01:15:09Marc:No, this is great, man.

01:15:10Marc:It was good talking to you.

01:15:11Marc:You feel good about it?

01:15:12Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:13Marc:We picked up pace.

01:15:14Guest:Yeah.

01:15:15Marc:There was a moment of panic there where you're like, this is going nowhere.

01:15:19Guest:No, I did.

01:15:21Guest:I did feel that way.

01:15:22Guest:I still feel that way, but I'm always going to feel that way.

01:15:25Marc:Was there anything that you'd like to... Is there one last thing we need to do?

01:15:31Guest:No, I had my shot.

01:15:33Guest:I'm sorry.

01:15:33Marc:All right, I'll talk to you later.

01:15:40Marc:That was, I love that guy.

01:15:42Marc:He's a great guy.

01:15:43Marc:Like I said, I love that movie.

01:15:44Marc:I really enjoyed that movie.

01:15:46Marc:And now I'm going to, now that this is an eternal show between me talking about the Stones, it's not going to stop me from noodling.

01:15:55Marc:I have nothing planned here.

01:15:57All right.

01:15:58Guest:Boomer lives!