Episode 601 - Kenan Thompson / Scharpling & Wurster

Episode 601 • Released May 10, 2015 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Guest:Lock the gates!

00:00:09Guest:All right, let's do this.

00:00:10Guest:How are you, what the fuckers?

00:00:11Guest:What the fuck buddies?

00:00:12Guest:What the fuckineers?

00:00:13Guest:What the fuckstables?

00:00:14Guest:What the fuckereans?

00:00:16Guest:A guy in Vancouver just told me that.

00:00:18Guest:What the fuckanucks?

00:00:19Guest:How about that?

00:00:20Guest:I'm in Vancouver.

00:00:21Guest:I should use it.

00:00:22Guest:This is Mark Maron.

00:00:23Guest:This is WTF.

00:00:24Guest:Welcome to the show.

00:00:25Marc:Kenan Thompson from SNL on the show today.

00:00:27Marc:Talked to him when I was in New York City.

00:00:29Marc:We had a nice time chatting in my hotel room.

00:00:32Marc:I was showing him some videos.

00:00:33Marc:You'll hear all about it.

00:00:34Marc:Also on the show today, John Worcester and Tom Sharpling.

00:00:38Marc:Stopped by the garage to chit-chat about stuff that Tom's got going on, that John's got going on.

00:00:44Marc:Stuff they got going on together.

00:00:46Marc:Always fun to talk to radio professionals in the garage.

00:00:49Marc:So I left Seattle this morning.

00:00:51Marc:I opted not to fly.

00:00:52Marc:Decided to take the train up because it was pretty.

00:00:55Marc:So I get done with signing and meet and greet and hanging out in Seattle at 12.30, 1 o'clock.

00:01:00Marc:Got to get up at 6 to get in a cab at 7 to get to the train station to get online to get my seat assignment with Ashley Barnhill, who's also traveling with me.

00:01:10Marc:She's opening for me, doing a great job.

00:01:12Marc:So we're up early.

00:01:14Marc:The Amtrak from...

00:01:15Marc:from Seattle all the way to Vancouver, which I heard was beautiful.

00:01:18Marc:And really, how much time are you saving?

00:01:20Marc:It's about the same, right?

00:01:22Marc:It's about the same as driving to the airport in Seattle, getting on a Canadian flight where you've got to wait, get there a little earlier to go through customs to deal with that thing, then fly up, then get a cab from the Vancouver airport to the hotel.

00:01:36Marc:I mean, that's got to take four hours, right?

00:01:37Marc:So why not just take the train?

00:01:39Marc:Well, I'll tell you why.

00:01:40Marc:Because an hour into a train ride, you're just sitting on a train.

00:01:45Marc:So it's a different type of four hours.

00:01:47Marc:Was it relaxing?

00:01:48Marc:Maybe.

00:01:48Marc:Couldn't really sleep.

00:01:50Guest:Sat in the dining car, watched the water, saw some bald eagles.

00:01:54Guest:That was pretty cool.

00:01:55Guest:You know what?

00:01:56Marc:Now I'm talking myself into it being an amazing experience.

00:01:59Marc:I saw the national bird sitting on a log, the top of a log dug into the water, making his nest or just sitting in his nest.

00:02:07Marc:There's plenty around now, apparently.

00:02:09Marc:I don't think they're endangered anymore.

00:02:11Marc:I don't know.

00:02:12Marc:All I know is I think that's only the second time in my life I've seen a bald eagle.

00:02:16Marc:For some reason, when you grow up with a bald eagle, as an American, you think they're going to be the size of pterodactyls.

00:02:22Marc:But they're not.

00:02:22Marc:They're just birds.

00:02:23Marc:They're just little birds.

00:02:24Marc:They're not even that huge.

00:02:26Marc:I thought it was going to be huge.

00:02:27Marc:Maybe it was a baby bald eagle.

00:02:29Marc:Maybe it's just an indicator.

00:02:30Marc:Maybe just bald eagles are smaller now because our national identity has gotten somewhat insecure and they're just adapting in that way.

00:02:38Marc:Who knew evolution would make national symbols that are animals adapt to the emotional climate of the country itself?

00:02:49Marc:That's right.

00:02:49Marc:The bald eagle, smaller in stature than it used to be, looking slightly aggravated and confused.

00:02:56Marc:Huh, that seems crazy, but is it possible?

00:03:00Marc:Maybe it's possible.

00:03:02Marc:I was heckled by a baby tonight.

00:03:04Marc:Yeah, maybe I'll tell you about that in a second.

00:03:07Marc:God, I wish I had some healthy snacks.

00:03:09Marc:I just had a Jappadog.

00:03:12Marc:I'm pretty sure that's how you pronounce it.

00:03:13Marc:It sounds slightly racially provocative, but I'm pretty sure that's what it's called.

00:03:17Marc:Jappadog.

00:03:18Marc:And I ate that after I did my show at the Vogue Theater here in Vancouver.

00:03:23Marc:And something happened.

00:03:25Marc:Something happened.

00:03:27Marc:Okay, I'm doing my show.

00:03:29Marc:I'm doing it.

00:03:31Marc:It's a nice big room.

00:03:32Marc:We got about 900 plus people in there at the Vogue.

00:03:35Marc:And somewhere during the first 20, 25 minutes of my set, a woman had made her way to the front row with an infant, an infant in her arms, an infant.

00:03:50Marc:Okay.

00:03:51Marc:It's all ages up here.

00:03:52Marc:I get it.

00:03:53Marc:I ran into a family on the street, nice looking couple with their two teenage kids and

00:03:58Marc:They said, we're all coming to see you.

00:04:00Marc:And I just felt so bad because they look like a nice, healthy, progressive family.

00:04:04Marc:They seem like nice people.

00:04:06Marc:And I'm thinking to myself, I get pretty filthy at the end.

00:04:09Marc:Not gratuitously filthy.

00:04:11Marc:Maybe it's gratuitous.

00:04:12Marc:Is any filth necessary?

00:04:13Marc:I feel like it is these days.

00:04:16Marc:And they've got these teenagers there because it's all ages.

00:04:18Marc:So what am I supposed to do?

00:04:19Marc:Am I supposed to accommodate them?

00:04:21Marc:Because I spent like an hour going like, what am I going to do?

00:04:24Marc:They seem like nice people.

00:04:25Marc:I know I'm going to blow that little kid's mind that the teenage boy and a teenage girl, they got to hear that shit from me first.

00:04:32Marc:About orgasms.

00:04:33Marc:And masturbating.

00:04:35Marc:And having sex.

00:04:37Marc:They got to hear that.

00:04:38Marc:Maybe I'm flattering myself.

00:04:39Marc:Maybe they know.

00:04:40Marc:But do they got to hear about that in front of their parents.

00:04:43Marc:And have that weird awkward.

00:04:45Marc:I experienced true empathy.

00:04:48Marc:And I considered changing my set.

00:04:50Marc:Just to not put those parents through that.

00:04:52Marc:But then again they brought them.

00:04:53Marc:Sometimes I'm filthy Mark.

00:04:55Marc:Filthy Mark is happening on the road.

00:04:57Marc:At the end of the set.

00:04:58Marc:Filthy Mark is speaking up.

00:05:00Marc:He's in there.

00:05:01Marc:He's always in there.

00:05:02Marc:He's been in there forever.

00:05:03Marc:He used to talk more when he was younger.

00:05:05Marc:But you can watch my comedy.

00:05:06Marc:I don't stray away from it.

00:05:07Marc:There's always a little honest filth in there.

00:05:11Marc:But that was on my mind.

00:05:12Marc:And I'm going through the set.

00:05:13Marc:And I bring that up at the beginning of the set.

00:05:16Marc:And I'm nervous about that.

00:05:17Marc:And then out of nowhere, a fucking baby.

00:05:19Marc:There's a baby up front.

00:05:23Marc:So I'm like, look at this woman.

00:05:25Marc:I'm like, what is happening?

00:05:27Marc:The audience is laughing.

00:05:28Marc:They're teetering.

00:05:28Marc:They're tittering, tittering uncomfortably just to see me talk to a baby from the stage, a fucking baby.

00:05:39Marc:And I busted the baby's balls a little bit.

00:05:42Marc:But, you know, baby can take it.

00:05:44Marc:Mom seemed to take it.

00:05:45Marc:I didn't know what else to do.

00:05:47Marc:Then part of me was like, is that my baby?

00:05:49Marc:Is that why she's here?

00:05:49Marc:I would remember that.

00:05:50Marc:Kid's only 18 months old.

00:05:51Marc:That means that whatever would have went down would have went down like two years ago.

00:05:55Marc:I would not forget that.

00:05:57Marc:That was not the case.

00:05:58Marc:I wasn't doing that then.

00:06:01Marc:Eventually, the kids started gurgling and making noises.

00:06:04Guest:Yeah.

00:06:11Guest:You know, like whatever.

00:06:18Marc:So she finally moves and I'm like, all right, that's done.

00:06:21Marc:And then it's just in the back.

00:06:23Marc:I just hear.

00:06:28Marc:I don't think those are really baby noises.

00:06:30Marc:Kind of.

00:06:30Marc:I just hear it in the back.

00:06:36Marc:So now I'm like being heckled by a baby.

00:06:39Marc:Never happened before.

00:06:40Marc:But strangely, on a metaphorical level, all hecklers are babies.

00:06:45Marc:So that was a first for me.

00:06:47Marc:Heckled by a baby.

00:06:48Marc:And babies are always going to win.

00:06:50Marc:I tried to ride the line.

00:06:52Marc:I have no idea with that family how they fared.

00:06:54Marc:I don't know if it was a good idea to bring a baby to my show.

00:06:58Marc:Parents are like, no, he doesn't know anything.

00:06:59Marc:Of course we feel and know everything.

00:07:01Marc:18 months, it's all coming in.

00:07:04Marc:You're wiring the machine.

00:07:06Marc:the board is being loaded.

00:07:09Marc:The kid's going to end up in therapy at 20 going like, I don't know what it is.

00:07:13Marc:There was just a, it's loud.

00:07:15Marc:I just have a memory of a loud man, a needy, loud man amplified.

00:07:20Marc:And I didn't know how to handle it.

00:07:24Marc:It causes me anxiety.

00:07:25Marc:I just helped create an anxiety-ridden adult.

00:07:30Marc:That's how I'm going to flatter myself with this.

00:07:31Marc:That's the impact I had.

00:07:34Marc:Look, Tom Sharpling is a dear friend of mine and a friend of the show, John Wister, as well.

00:07:39Marc:Of course, you can hear them at thebestshow.net live every Tuesday night at 9 p.m.

00:07:45Marc:Eastern, or you can get the podcast of The Best Show.

00:07:48Marc:And now their box set, The Best of the Best Show, is available at numerogroup.com and in record stores everywhere tomorrow.

00:07:55Marc:Big box set.

00:07:56Marc:Beautiful.

00:07:57Marc:Great record label, Numero Group.

00:08:00Marc:So happy for Tom and John.

00:08:02Marc:I was happy to talk to them back in the garage.

00:08:04Marc:Enjoy.

00:08:16Guest:Worcester.

00:08:17Guest:Worcester, yes.

00:08:18Guest:Sharpling, Tom.

00:08:19Marc:Sharpling.

00:08:20Marc:You guys aren't out here for any reason, usually?

00:08:23Guest:No.

00:08:24Guest:Rarely together.

00:08:25Guest:What are you doing here together?

00:08:27Guest:We're pimping this nine-pound behemoth.

00:08:31Marc:I was very excited that the guy from... I don't know who it was, but it was somebody nearby, I guess, because they gave me an unwrapped one.

00:08:37Marc:This was somebody... Someone had this at home.

00:08:39Marc:Someone made a call and said, can you get that over to Marin and Highland Park?

00:08:43Marc:The best of the best show.

00:08:44Marc:Someone said... Numero's a good label.

00:08:46Guest:Yeah.

00:08:47Guest:They said...

00:08:48Guest:Mark didn't get his, go give him yours.

00:08:51Guest:Exactly.

00:08:52Guest:And I got it.

00:08:53Guest:It's monstrous.

00:08:54Guest:Yeah.

00:08:55Guest:I mean, it's big.

00:08:57Guest:And it's monstrous.

00:08:58Guest:I would agree it's monstrous.

00:09:00Marc:And you, oh, it's like these are all real people on front.

00:09:03Guest:Yeah, those are all the characters on the front.

00:09:04Guest:They're all the different characters.

00:09:06Guest:That's the guide.

00:09:07Guest:Oh, and there's a nice book.

00:09:09Guest:Look at that book we made.

00:09:10Marc:Oh, my God.

00:09:11Guest:And there's a picture of you and your classic stances.

00:09:14Guest:Yeah.

00:09:14Guest:There's me.

00:09:15Guest:There's you.

00:09:16Guest:Not being able to look at the camera.

00:09:17Guest:And holding your face.

00:09:18Guest:Holding my face like I'm... And John's just wide open in the bearded version.

00:09:23Guest:Yes.

00:09:23Guest:Chilled out and confused.

00:09:24Guest:The bearded version of John.

00:09:26Guest:Yes.

00:09:26Guest:No glasses.

00:09:27Guest:And if you look on that backpack there, I have a spare shirt in case I sweat through the one I'm wearing.

00:09:34Guest:Is that something... You gotta do that.

00:09:35Guest:You got backup shirts?

00:09:36Guest:I do.

00:09:36Marc:For photo shoots or for life?

00:09:38Marc:For life.

00:09:39Guest:Yeah.

00:09:39Guest:I have a backup shirt in my car.

00:09:41Guest:Yeah.

00:09:41Guest:I have that shirt that I'm wearing in that picture as a backup in my car.

00:09:44Marc:I just go ahead and let the sweat happen.

00:09:46Marc:I can't help it.

00:09:47Marc:I can't help it.

00:09:48Marc:You were a sweater, too?

00:09:49Marc:Oh, my God.

00:09:50Guest:It's over 30 degrees.

00:09:51Guest:That's why I love... When we did the live WTF at the Bell House, I was like... And they were like...

00:09:59Guest:Everybody, air conditioner is broken.

00:10:01Guest:It's hot in here.

00:10:02Guest:I was like, thank Christ, because I was going to sweat if it was 45 degrees in there.

00:10:08Guest:And at least now everybody's sweating.

00:10:10Guest:And then I'm just like, can you believe the air conditioner is broken?

00:10:14Guest:Look at me.

00:10:14Guest:I'm covered in sweat.

00:10:16Guest:The great equalizer.

00:10:18Guest:Yeah, it is.

00:10:18Guest:I would have been soaking wet no matter what.

00:10:21Guest:Tom doesn't have to look like the only wet guy.

00:10:23Guest:Sometimes it looks like a bucket of water got dumped on my head.

00:10:27Marc:Oh, me too.

00:10:27Marc:Yeah.

00:10:28Marc:It's gotten better for reasons I don't understand.

00:10:30Marc:Like, I used to be embarrassingly sweaty.

00:10:32Guest:Tom doesn't drink, but I noticed when I stopped drinking, I sweated way less.

00:10:38Guest:Is that true?

00:10:39Guest:And to this day, I wear this coat because I have pockets that I need, and it holds things.

00:10:45Guest:And I should be sweating, but I'm not.

00:10:48Guest:I stay cool somehow.

00:10:49Guest:To me, the worst would be going into some sort of pitch meeting, and I'd be...

00:10:57Guest:in the lobby and then they would bring like what kind of water do you want to be like and they'd bring like a cold water that would be enough to throw the the equal in my equilibrium off just I'm at room temperature and then the cold water suddenly sweat like no no and the thing is like I'm not nervous but my body is betraying me why are you doing this to me

00:11:20Guest:And one time I said, one time I was covered in sweat.

00:11:25Guest:It was so embarrassing.

00:11:26Guest:And I said to them, this is not sweat.

00:11:30Guest:This is excitement juice.

00:11:32Guest:That's great.

00:11:33Guest:Do you remember one time you were covered?

00:11:36Guest:What look did you get then?

00:11:37Guest:Then they went, oh, and then did not buy whatever I was.

00:11:41Guest:They're not going to buy anything from this sweaty animal.

00:11:44Guest:Do you remember on one of the rare occasions you and I pitched something together out here?

00:11:48Guest:seconds before we went into the meeting you somehow someone bumped into you and scalding coffee went all over you i mean to the point where you couldn't walk for a little bit i do remember that yeah that was a play it was like down on melrose or something yeah and i guess before you went in before we went in seconds before somebody somebody jostled me and i got like scalded i do remember that now

00:12:14Guest:But you're on adrenaline, so you don't feel the scald until later.

00:12:18Guest:Yeah, so you're just like, so anyway, the story's about a guy.

00:12:22Guest:I'm like, meanwhile, blisters are bubbling up all across my arm.

00:12:27Guest:Did you go in with the stained shirt, or did you have a backup shirt?

00:12:30Guest:Oh, we were walking into the room.

00:12:32Guest:Yeah, we were in route.

00:12:33Guest:So there was damage control on the way.

00:12:35Guest:You're like, you okay, man?

00:12:36Guest:Are you okay?

00:12:36Marc:Oh, no, I'm good, I'm good.

00:12:38Marc:I'm not good.

00:12:39Marc:I'm just like, yeah.

00:12:41Marc:I'm bad.

00:12:42Marc:Well, for people...

00:12:43Marc:Who don't know the best show.

00:12:45Marc:I was surprised I opened the box, and it's not records.

00:12:49Marc:It's actually CDs.

00:12:50Marc:It's a nice... It's a beautiful... You get a book, and you get a... What's on the cassette tape?

00:12:54Guest:That is... I believe it's everything that's on the...

00:12:58Guest:CDs.

00:12:58Guest:The CDs and four extra hours.

00:13:00Guest:Oh, this is in a cassette.

00:13:01Guest:It's a USB.

00:13:02Guest:It's a USB.

00:13:03Guest:Isn't that fun?

00:13:04Guest:Flash drive.

00:13:04Guest:Isn't that fun?

00:13:05Guest:Yes.

00:13:05Guest:And you plug that in.

00:13:06Guest:And it's all on there.

00:13:07Guest:You dump it all.

00:13:08Guest:And more.

00:13:08Guest:On your computer.

00:13:09Guest:So you get it all.

00:13:10Guest:And another four hours.

00:13:11Guest:What's in this consolidated cardboard envelope?

00:13:13Guest:Poster.

00:13:14Guest:There's a poster in here?

00:13:15Guest:There's some temporary tattoos.

00:13:17Marc:This is more fun than getting a box game when you're a child.

00:13:23Marc:Yes.

00:13:23Guest:It's a box game for a grown-up.

00:13:26Guest:It kind of, we kept piling on where Numero Group was so awesome where they were just like,

00:13:33Guest:So how many CDs do you guys want to do here?

00:13:36Guest:And we're just like, I don't know.

00:13:37Guest:That's like 10 too much?

00:13:38Guest:And then we're just like, they're like, well, we could do more than 10.

00:13:41Guest:And then we're like, okay, 12.

00:13:42Guest:And then it got to like where 16 was just like, all right, anything past 16 feels like, it's like 16 is already the most gaudy.

00:13:49Guest:How many are in there?

00:13:50Guest:16.

00:13:51Marc:There's 16 CDs?

00:13:52Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:13:53Guest:But anything more than that would feel like you're just like, all right, this feels like homework.

00:13:57Guest:I don't want anything to do with this box.

00:13:59Guest:But how many shows have you done total, Tom?

00:14:03Guest:Well, I think at some point... What are you drawing from?

00:14:06Guest:We did the 500th show about... Was it a year to go?

00:14:09Guest:Is that what it was?

00:14:10Guest:Yeah.

00:14:10Guest:On WFMU, it was pretty much... I think we ended up around... We left with about 600 shows.

00:14:18Guest:So that's a three-hour show.

00:14:20Guest:That's a three-hour show, yeah.

00:14:21Guest:So it's 1,800 hours.

00:14:22Guest:Pretty much, yeah.

00:14:23Guest:And with other things... Somebody did the math on it, and you can say it was about...

00:14:28Guest:2,000 hours with other shows going longer and this and that.

00:14:32Guest:But on 16 CDs, you knew at least 12 CDs worth of bits.

00:14:37Marc:You're like, those are the bits that we're going to put on here.

00:14:40Marc:And then you had to search for, like, what?

00:14:42Marc:Another four CDs?

00:14:43Guest:No, it was...

00:14:45Guest:It was... It was shocking.

00:14:47Guest:It was culling.

00:14:48Guest:We had to cut things.

00:14:50Guest:Yeah.

00:14:51Guest:To get to the 16.

00:14:53Guest:When Numero group was like, yeah, will you do this box?

00:14:57Guest:And we're just like, we're in.

00:14:58Guest:Let's do it.

00:14:59Guest:And then John and I start talking.

00:15:02Guest:We're just like, well, look, this one called that...

00:15:05Guest:put that one down like chisel that one that one is a grand slam and then we went back and listened to it's like oh that one was not so good hey did you think that was funny yeah it's like like those first calls were just like yeah

00:15:20Guest:remember that one that we was just we i would have bet my life savings would have made the box just like it's just okay and is this did we just make things that are just so and suddenly there were a couple just okay ones in a row and that was that was bad footing to get off it was like oh my

00:15:37Guest:God, did we just do this, like, subpar thing for 15 years?

00:15:42Guest:And thankfully one that was countered by one that we had forgotten about that was like, oh, I couldn't even remember doing this one, and it was, oh, that was really funny.

00:15:52Guest:So it balanced out ultimately, but at first there was, like, a full-on panic of just, like...

00:15:59Marc:So what we're talking about here, for people who don't know the show, this is like a history in radio.

00:16:04Marc:This is one of the great comedy teams of radio.

00:16:09Marc:Thank you.

00:16:12Marc:And I think it should be seen as that.

00:16:15Marc:The best show on WFMU no longer exists there, but it lives...

00:16:19Marc:Thebestshow.net is where the new version of the show is.

00:16:22Marc:This is a live show.

00:16:23Marc:I'm talking... I'm not going to preach to the converted fellas.

00:16:25Marc:Right.

00:16:26Marc:I'm going to convert some people.

00:16:27Guest:That's what we need.

00:16:28Guest:We need it.

00:16:28Marc:Like these guys.

00:16:30Marc:These two fellas.

00:16:32Marc:You know Bob and Ray?

00:16:33Marc:Yeah.

00:16:33Marc:Burns and Alan?

00:16:35Marc:Yeah.

00:16:36Marc:You know, those kind of people.

00:16:38Guest:Allen and Rossi.

00:16:39Marc:Allen and Rossi.

00:16:40Marc:Hello there.

00:16:42Guest:Yeah.

00:16:43Guest:Hello there.

00:16:44Guest:Remember?

00:16:45Guest:You had Marty Allen in.

00:16:47Guest:Where did you do that?

00:16:48Guest:I did, right here.

00:16:48Guest:He was here?

00:16:49Guest:He was here.

00:16:50Guest:How old is Marty Allen?

00:16:51Guest:94 or something.

00:16:53Guest:He's good.

00:16:54Guest:The hair's still on top.

00:16:55Guest:Is the hair?

00:16:55Guest:I don't know what it is.

00:16:56Guest:I can't tell you what it is.

00:16:58Guest:And this is no offense to any of...

00:17:01Guest:Any of you or me or whatever any of us do.

00:17:04Guest:But you think about a guy from old showbiz who's just like he's used to he's used to just things being done.

00:17:10Guest:It's like, yes, we're going up to the Rockefeller Center is where this radio program is going to take.

00:17:15Guest:And suddenly he's 90 now and he's like, it's in this.

00:17:20Guest:Yeah.

00:17:20Guest:Garage?

00:17:21Guest:What am I?

00:17:22Marc:Yeah, I don't think they know, though.

00:17:23Marc:I think they're very happy to be out and about.

00:17:26Marc:And I say, I don't mean to be generalizing about the elderly, but the ones that still have their minds.

00:17:32Marc:Faculties.

00:17:33Marc:Yeah, I mean, I had Norman Lear up here.

00:17:35Marc:He's 92.

00:17:35Marc:He's sharp as a bell.

00:17:37Marc:He enjoyed coming over.

00:17:38Guest:Yeah, he's on it, that guy.

00:17:40Marc:Yeah, I just feel like my home is tiny.

00:17:43Marc:Sometimes I get embarrassed, like, you know, this is the whole home.

00:17:46Marc:This is it.

00:17:47Marc:And I don't know that they're used to that.

00:17:49Marc:In my mind, it's sort of like, I'm okay.

00:17:52Marc:I'm making a living.

00:17:53Guest:That's all I've ever wanted from stuff.

00:17:55Guest:Right, right, yeah.

00:17:57Guest:Cover my bills and let this be my employment.

00:18:01Marc:Right, right.

00:18:02Marc:That's it.

00:18:04Marc:What would you say?

00:18:06Marc:How many characters total, John?

00:18:08Marc:Gosh.

00:18:10Marc:Have you ever counted?

00:18:11Guest:Someone must have.

00:18:12Guest:It's probably in the hundreds, at least 200 or so, I would think.

00:18:16Guest:I would say...

00:18:18Guest:It's well over 100 probably coming up on 200.

00:18:22Guest:I honestly don't know how many are represented in this box.

00:18:25Guest:There are several key recurring characters that we needed represented.

00:18:31Guest:I'm not sure if there are 200 on the box, but there's at least 200 that we've done over the years.

00:18:34Guest:A lot of them are one-offs.

00:18:36Marc:Tell me how the, like Tom explained to me off mic a little bit how the live shows.

00:18:40Marc:Do you have more of those?

00:18:41Marc:We will do more.

00:18:42Marc:We don't have any on the... Isn't that phenomenal that you can do that?

00:18:45Guest:It's crazy.

00:18:46Guest:It's nuts.

00:18:46Guest:We had no idea what they were going to be like.

00:18:49Guest:We had written the show, but we had never timed it, really, until we actually did the first show at the Bell House.

00:18:56Marc:When you say you've written it, did you just do beats, or did you actually script it?

00:19:01Guest:We pretty...

00:19:02Guest:it was pretty scripted oh yeah there was room for improv and yeah how many characters in the show like five maybe five characters that i did tom was himself and and uh he he'd have to fill space when i was off changing like just doing a marathon like a a quick yeah and people and you guys are sitting

00:19:21Guest:No, we're standing and... Stalking the stage.

00:19:24Guest:Really?

00:19:25Guest:Yeah.

00:19:26Guest:Yeah.

00:19:27Guest:And it was nuts.

00:19:28Guest:I went down to North Carolina and we're like, all right, let's figure this show out.

00:19:34Guest:These shows have sold out.

00:19:36Guest:We should write it.

00:19:38Guest:Yeah.

00:19:38Guest:I guess we should write it now.

00:19:40Guest:So we went down.

00:19:41Guest:I went down.

00:19:42Guest:We're working on it.

00:19:43Guest:Yeah.

00:19:44Guest:And we're just like, all right, this is funny.

00:19:45Guest:It's funny.

00:19:46Guest:And we kept like rewriting it and trying to get things to have more payoff and more.

00:19:51Guest:and then we're like i then the day came when it's like we're just like well uh let's i hope this times out correctly because this could either be 20 minutes of show that'll go so fast or we maybe wrote three and a half hours of show no i'm gonna have to cut two-thirds of it yeah when we're inside like we just were like because we if we were doing this on the radio we just

00:20:21Guest:The gut for having done so many of these calls, we would know how they would play out.

00:20:27Guest:And that's kind of what got us through 4-2.

00:20:30Guest:We were doing exactly what we've done for almost 20 years at this point, just in front of people in a more condensed manner.

00:20:39Guest:Right, but laughter makes a lot of difference time-wise.

00:20:42Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:20:44Guest:Which we've never had to contend with.

00:20:46Guest:It's always just been the two of us doing it on the radio kind of in a vacuum.

00:20:49Guest:So how did it time out?

00:20:51Guest:i think the first show was maybe 90 minutes that's good so yeah but we had a second one right after yeah so i think we probably cut down a little bit of the first one yeah we next night we were able to ditch like 10 minutes from that one and then we were how did it feel to repeat like have an act it was it felt very traditional in a in a show business way like

00:21:14Guest:When you hear about Martin and Lewis doing 15 shows a day in Times Square, whenever they're doing it, it's like they must have just gone and we do the thing.

00:21:24Guest:Then the thing goes to the other thing.

00:21:25Guest:Then the thing goes to the other thing.

00:21:27Guest:You do the song.

00:21:28Guest:I do the record routine.

00:21:30Guest:Right.

00:21:30Guest:Come in a little quicker on that one.

00:21:31Guest:Yeah.

00:21:31Guest:Come in a little quicker.

00:21:32Guest:And then we do a thing together and then we're out.

00:21:34Guest:To me, it felt a lot like that.

00:21:37Guest:It felt very old show business that we weren't.

00:21:42Guest:We were doing a thing together that had a beginning, a middle, and an end, and we were... It was very performative, which is not my natural setting.

00:21:50Guest:No, it's not.

00:21:51Guest:You haven't done this before, really.

00:21:53Guest:Everything I do is... If you add it up, it's like, oh, I do writing, I go on the radio, and I'm interested in... And I direct things now.

00:22:02Guest:It's like, those three...

00:22:04Guest:The common thing is that you don't see me doing anything.

00:22:07Guest:Not in front of anybody.

00:22:08Marc:Yes.

00:22:09Marc:And you haven't done comedy like that.

00:22:12Guest:Not like that.

00:22:12Guest:No, no.

00:22:13Marc:That's great.

00:22:14Guest:And I think what made it work was that we just know each other so well.

00:22:18Guest:We know how we work together.

00:22:23Guest:our vibe and the beats and everything so it was it's so natural right it was just like doing it on the radio but in front of people's but i think if the two of us with anybody else i think we would have been it would have been a different story yeah i love this story i love the idea of you guys doing this comedy team thing especially something because you don't see this anymore man maybe like yeah no you don't like this is like

00:22:44Marc:sloven and alan would be the last duo i can think of kind of but like even when people do comedy teams it's not as defined like you're the straight guy you're gonna do the this the crazy stuff like they're like that was that's class well that is yes that's that's true and and like that that format which is you know has been the one has not really existed in in you know most people would do doing something closer to sketch but you're literally like

00:23:11Marc:It is like Alan and Rossi in a way.

00:23:13Marc:I think you're probably funnier than Rossi, obviously.

00:23:17Marc:Well, thank you.

00:23:18Guest:I appreciate it.

00:23:19Guest:I'm funnier than Steve Rossi.

00:23:21Guest:He said probably.

00:23:23Guest:Can we put that on the box set?

00:23:24Guest:Maybe we'll get a sticker on there.

00:23:26Marc:But you know what I'm saying.

00:23:27Marc:The idea of Sharpling and Worcester being this classic.

00:23:32Marc:You even said it.

00:23:33Marc:The performance element of it.

00:23:35Marc:You felt like you were doing the thing.

00:23:37Marc:Yeah.

00:23:37Marc:And you were doing your thing.

00:23:38Marc:Yeah.

00:23:39Marc:And all the characters are defined.

00:23:40Marc:Did you switch hats?

00:23:42Guest:Yeah.

00:23:42Guest:I had a lot of hats.

00:23:43Guest:Yeah.

00:23:43Guest:Yep.

00:23:44Guest:I had a mustache.

00:23:45Guest:Oh, really?

00:23:45Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:23:46Guest:That's fucking great.

00:23:48Guest:Classic.

00:23:48Guest:Dad jeans.

00:23:49Guest:Classic.

00:23:50Guest:We were doing it like it was old-timey showbiz.

00:23:53Marc:And here in the box set, you get 16 of the classic bits.

00:23:57Guest:You get... 60.

00:23:58Guest:You get 70.

00:23:58Guest:16 CDs.

00:23:59Guest:16 CDs.

00:24:00Guest:16 CDs.

00:24:01Guest:There's like 70-something bits in there across the 16 CDs.

00:24:05Guest:Classic.

00:24:05Guest:Four hours extra on the USB.

00:24:07Guest:Four hours.

00:24:08Guest:It's crazy.

00:24:10Guest:It is crazy.

00:24:11Marc:Fucking classic.

00:24:12Marc:And some people are listening to this going like, I don't know these guys.

00:24:16Marc:How can you not know them?

00:24:17Marc:Just buy this.

00:24:18Guest:Yeah, buy the thing.

00:24:19Marc:And Numero's great because they just number things.

00:24:21Marc:Number 203.

00:24:21Marc:Yeah.

00:24:22Marc:Because some of the numbers, you're like, what the hell is that record?

00:24:24Marc:And then you got to get it.

00:24:26Marc:Yeah.

00:24:26Marc:I got a box set, two box sets from them.

00:24:28Marc:And I'm like, what is this?

00:24:30Marc:This is crazy.

00:24:31Marc:It's great.

00:24:32Marc:Like they just decide it's an amazing label.

00:24:35Marc:You sort of, there's a theme, but the theme is really how cool they put things together.

00:24:40Guest:Yes.

00:24:40Guest:The packaging.

00:24:41Guest:Yeah.

00:24:41Guest:When they were interested in it, we were, cause I've, I've got a lot of records by them and it was like,

00:24:47Guest:I can't think of a label that will do right by this thing for us in terms of just going as crazy as they did.

00:24:54Guest:All right, so the box is out tomorrow.

00:24:57Guest:Yes.

00:24:58Guest:Yes.

00:24:59Guest:It's very exciting.

00:24:59Guest:We will be on Seth Meyers.

00:25:03Guest:I think.

00:25:04Guest:Tomorrow?

00:25:05Guest:Sometime.

00:25:06Guest:It might be that day.

00:25:07Guest:I think so.

00:25:08Guest:I don't believe anything's going to happen.

00:25:11Guest:I believe just like, oh, there's a... Oh, you guys are going to be on TV, Tom.

00:25:16Guest:You guys are going to be on TV.

00:25:17Guest:Can you imagine us on the couch?

00:25:18Guest:Wow.

00:25:19Guest:As a comedy duo.

00:25:20Guest:All I can think about... How are you going to handle that?

00:25:23Marc:I don't know.

00:25:23Marc:We don't know yet.

00:25:24Marc:Are you going to perform on Seth Meyers or are you just going to sit?

00:25:28Guest:I can tell you now, I'm not performing.

00:25:30Guest:That's down to me, then.

00:25:33Guest:You're welcome to perform.

00:25:34Guest:Tom will be on the count, and I will come from the audience as a guy from Philly.

00:25:39Marc:That's the perfect place to do it.

00:25:40Marc:You've got to do one of your classic bits.

00:25:42Marc:You've got to go stand out in front of the audience in the performance area.

00:25:46Marc:You've got to wear whatever you wear, Tom.

00:25:50Guest:One of mice.

00:25:51Marc:75 polo shirt and then you decide what's going to sweat the least and you guys go out there like a fucking legit comedy team and do the shtick what shtick are you going to do we don't know yet did I talk you into this you kind of did you talked me out of it that's what you just did

00:26:07Guest:What if I did it and he didn't know?

00:26:09Guest:Let me know how Seth Meyers goes.

00:26:11Guest:No, no.

00:26:11Guest:I'll be watching.

00:26:12Marc:Maybe you should do it where, you know, Tom, you come out, right?

00:26:17Marc:You both come out, but Tom goes into this next to Seth, and you go in with a fake mustache.

00:26:22Marc:You go stand on the spot, the performance spot.

00:26:24Guest:Excuse me.

00:26:25Guest:Yeah.

00:26:26Marc:And Tom's like, no, we're not doing.

00:26:29Marc:Yeah.

00:26:30Marc:I'd be like.

00:26:31Marc:And you don't get it.

00:26:31Marc:You stay in character against Tom's reluctance.

00:26:35Marc:Oh, come on, sir.

00:26:36Marc:Yeah.

00:26:36Marc:Let's go.

00:26:37Guest:I'm just trying to talk to the nice talk show host.

00:26:41Guest:Why are you doing this?

00:26:43Guest:Oh, I'm sweating now.

00:26:46Guest:I'm sweating now.

00:26:47Guest:He's sweating now talking about this.

00:26:49Marc:Yes.

00:26:50Marc:I love the idea.

00:26:51Marc:I pitched it.

00:26:52Marc:Well, I think you should do one of your classic bits.

00:26:55Marc:I'm not catching it.

00:26:56Guest:I'm not catching that pitch.

00:26:57Guest:Why wouldn't you want to do that?

00:26:58Guest:Is it too weird?

00:27:00Guest:I feel like what we do to some degree needs context.

00:27:05Marc:What do you mean?

00:27:05Marc:Here's one of the great comedy teams.

00:27:07Marc:And then Seth holds this box up.

00:27:10Marc:He says, 16 CDs of work in here.

00:27:12Marc:Yeah.

00:27:13Marc:And many of you may be seeing them for the first time here with their classic plumber sketch.

00:27:18Guest:See, what are we supposed to go do?

00:27:20Guest:The Sesquahanna Hat Company?

00:27:23Guest:We don't have... You're doing Niagara Falls.

00:27:26Guest:They're 40 minutes each, Mark.

00:27:29Guest:That's the whole thing.

00:27:30Guest:Unless Seth Meyers would hand us the entire show to do one bit.

00:27:35Guest:You can get it down to four and a half.

00:27:36Guest:It's a taste.

00:27:37Guest:But that's the thing.

00:27:38Guest:It's one hat.

00:27:38Guest:It's not stand-up, and that's the tricky part where it's just like...

00:27:42Guest:When somebody says to you, it's like, well, you're going to do five and a half minutes.

00:27:46Guest:Can you do three and a half?

00:27:47Guest:Then you're just like, okay, I'll cut that.

00:27:48Guest:I'll cut that.

00:27:49Guest:Right.

00:27:49Guest:And then there's three and a half minutes.

00:27:51Guest:If we cut the thing, I just don't know.

00:27:54Guest:That part is so new.

00:27:55Marc:That is weird because it's not even like it used to be.

00:27:58Marc:Like, you know, in the old days when guys had stand-up spots, I think sometimes they were up to seven minutes or eight minutes.

00:28:04Marc:Yeah.

00:28:05Marc:And now, like, it's literally four and a half minutes.

00:28:08Marc:So I understand why you might not want to do it that way.

00:28:12Marc:It's like you're punching.

00:28:14Marc:But there's no reason that John can't come out in character.

00:28:17Guest:John is welcome to do whatever he wants on the thing.

00:28:20Guest:You have the green light.

00:28:23Marc:It's like you come out because you're the straight guy.

00:28:27Marc:So you come out and he comes out as, like, which one would be great just on the couch?

00:28:33Marc:Limited makeup.

00:28:35Guest:I think Philly Boy Roy would be the one.

00:28:36Guest:He's the guy from Philly that has been pestering Tom for 13 years now.

00:28:40Guest:Yes, it's a straight-up Philly middle-class dude who is... Visually striking.

00:28:49Guest:He's like the Ralph Cramden of the show, in a way, where he's the- He has dreams.

00:28:54Marc:All right, so let's try it.

00:28:58Marc:Wait, we're just going to improvise.

00:29:00Marc:Okay.

00:29:01Marc:You're Seth.

00:29:02Marc:I'm Seth.

00:29:03Marc:Right now, John Worcester and Tom Sharpling are here, but no, we won't do it like that.

00:29:10Marc:Tom Sharpling's here.

00:29:11Marc:It's just Tom Sharpling's here.

00:29:12Marc:Tom Sharpling, how are you?

00:29:15Marc:And how's it going?

00:29:17Marc:Congratulations on all your success.

00:29:19Marc:Oh, well.

00:29:20Guest:Yeah.

00:29:20Guest:Why, thank you, Seth.

00:29:21Guest:Yeah.

00:29:22Guest:Look, this part is going to be troubling enough.

00:29:24Marc:If I just went out and talked to him, that would be... No, but like, so you've got this wonderful box set of all your work from the... Yeah.

00:29:33Marc:And then he would just... Hey, how are you, everybody?

00:29:35Guest:Who's this?

00:29:36Guest:Oh.

00:29:36Guest:It's Roy.

00:29:37Guest:Oh, it's Philly boy Roy.

00:29:39Guest:Has anybody seen my home?

00:29:40Marc:hoagie what are you doing here hey roy i thought i left it backstage uh-huh reese witherspoon have you seen my hoagie well reese witherspoon just left yeah where are you going what's this thing you got here is that a box set this is a this is tom sharpling and john worcester's uh amazing box set there's 16 cds in here a lot of comedy oh my god the second guy sounds cool yeah the first guy not so much not so much no

00:30:08Guest:What do you think?

00:30:09Guest:How'd that feel?

00:30:09Guest:I loved it.

00:30:10Guest:Oh, that's dope.

00:30:11Guest:I'm going to email who's ever in charge there.

00:30:15Guest:Maybe we just send this over and lip sync it.

00:30:17Guest:Yeah.

00:30:18Guest:Send it over to Seth Meyers.

00:30:20Guest:We'll just lip sync it.

00:30:22Marc:So I think, okay, so here's what we're going to do.

00:30:25Marc:You guys can order this.

00:30:28Marc:I guess you could go to Numero Group, right?

00:30:30Marc:Mm-hmm.

00:30:31Marc:Dot com.

00:30:31Marc:What about on your website?

00:30:32Marc:You're going to have a link to the thing?

00:30:34Marc:I'll have a link to it.

00:30:35Marc:What is it now?

00:30:36Guest:Bestshow.net.

00:30:37Marc:Thebestshow.net.

00:30:38Marc:And I wish you all the success in the world.

00:30:40Marc:And I'm going to be listening to it.

00:30:42Marc:I'm going to rip it.

00:30:43Marc:I'm going to rip it onto my hard drive.

00:30:45Marc:Sure.

00:30:46Marc:And then I'm going to take them separately into the car with me.

00:30:48Guest:Ooh, it's good driving stuff.

00:30:50Marc:Yeah.

00:30:51Marc:I feel bad as close as I am with Tom in general.

00:30:57Marc:And I enjoy you, but we've hung out a couple of times.

00:31:00Marc:We're close now.

00:31:01Marc:Yeah.

00:31:01Marc:I probably don't know most of this, so it's going to be very exciting for me to get into, what is it, like 90 hours?

00:31:06Marc:I mean, how...

00:31:07Guest:It's at least 20 hours, right?

00:31:10Marc:But on the flash drive, probably 24 hours.

00:31:12Marc:Maybe I'll just marathon it all day.

00:31:15Marc:Just get a pot of coffee.

00:31:16Marc:Sit down and go right through it.

00:31:18Marc:I'll call you occasionally going, this one's great.

00:31:20Marc:How old is this?

00:31:21Guest:And then you'll be like, I don't want to hear any more of this.

00:31:25Guest:I'm done.

00:31:26Guest:Yeah, I heard enough.

00:31:27Guest:24 hours was... That lasted me forever.

00:31:31Guest:This went well.

00:31:32Guest:It was great.

00:31:33Guest:Thanks, Tom.

00:31:33Guest:Yeah.

00:31:34Guest:Thank you, Mark.

00:31:34Guest:Thanks, John.

00:31:35Guest:Thank you.

00:31:35Guest:Good luck with this thing.

00:31:37Guest:Thank you.

00:31:37Guest:I appreciate it, and we appreciate you having us on.

00:31:40Guest:I know it's... You don't usually do the...

00:31:43Guest:I'm back in here again.

00:31:45Guest:We do.

00:31:45Guest:I've been in here.

00:31:46Guest:Well, you did Tim, then you did Tim and Eric.

00:31:49Guest:Right.

00:31:49Guest:I heard that one.

00:31:50Guest:Right.

00:31:51Marc:That was like, I didn't know what was going to happen.

00:31:55Marc:Because, like, you know, Tim, I was nervous about Tim, and that went pretty good.

00:31:57Marc:Because I didn't know if they were going to fuck with me.

00:31:59Marc:What kind of people were you like, you didn't fuck with me for now?

00:32:02Guest:I love how on edge you, like, Tim and Eric have been nothing, but I just, we've known them for a long time, and not even remotely nervous about them, but you're just like...

00:32:11Guest:What are you guys up to?

00:32:12Guest:You guys are going to get me somehow.

00:32:15Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:32:16Marc:I just felt like that.

00:32:17Marc:I don't know, but it turned out well.

00:32:18Marc:No, but this was a special thing, and I was excited you guys could come.

00:32:21Guest:Yeah, thank you for having us.

00:32:23Guest:I appreciate you having us.

00:32:25Guest:I hope everyone buys that box set, because I need a new gold skidoo.

00:32:31Guest:Hear the siren?

00:32:32Guest:Yeah.

00:32:32Marc:If I was a lesser comic, I would say, your ride's here.

00:32:35Guest:get it yeah you're i like it thanks mom you ever do that have you ever said when somebody makes a sound somebody says something like oh thanks mom i haven't used that one but you know when somebody sure sure that to me you suck thanks mom yeah

00:32:50Marc:I like the different variations.

00:32:51Marc:I don't come down to where you work and, like, you know, the first time I heard, you know, knock the dicks out of your mouth, I thought that was terrific.

00:32:59Marc:Here's a funny story.

00:32:59Marc:It's not so funny.

00:33:01Marc:I met a guy.

00:33:01Marc:I'm not going to say his name.

00:33:03Marc:A comic.

00:33:04Marc:But I can say that, like, he was no longer a comic.

00:33:08Marc:And, you know, I knew him back in the day at the Comedy Store.

00:33:09Marc:He was somewhere else.

00:33:10Marc:And he'd come to a show of mine.

00:33:12Marc:He offered to give me a ride.

00:33:13Marc:And he's like, yeah, I'm out of the business.

00:33:16Marc:And I'm like, what happened?

00:33:17Marc:He's like, people kept stealing my fucking jokes.

00:33:20Marc:I'm like, oh, really?

00:33:21Marc:Like, what jokes?

00:33:22Marc:He goes, well, you know when you're on stage and you hear the siren?

00:33:26Marc:And you say, my ride's here?

00:33:29Marc:That's mine.

00:33:30Guest:This makes me so uncomfortable.

00:33:32Guest:That's mine.

00:33:33Guest:That's mine.

00:33:34Guest:There's no way that guy... He should have quit.

00:33:37Marc:Because if that's what he's carrying with it... Even if it was his, you're going to have to let that fish go.

00:33:41Marc:That's right.

00:33:42Marc:Take the hook out of its mouth and let it go.

00:33:43Guest:That one... It's free.

00:33:45Guest:It's free.

00:33:46Guest:Free for everybody.

00:33:46Guest:That's a public domain... Exactly.

00:33:49Guest:Retort.

00:33:50Guest:It's like, oh, Susanna.

00:33:51Guest:It is.

00:33:52Guest:It's the oh, Susanna retort.

00:33:53Guest:Yes.

00:33:55Guest:Yeah.

00:33:55Guest:Those... Those things...

00:33:57Guest:oh that makes my that makes i get a knot in my stomach when i hear what because of sadness yeah because of just like of cluelessness of just like and that that he'll be like staring at the ceiling at four in the morning being like oh good like how do i get that back

00:34:14Guest:How do I get that one back?

00:34:15Guest:I got to show them that that was mine like how do I make money off of it?

00:34:20Marc:Yeah, how do I I need provenance yeah that one my rides here I'm gonna trademark it.

00:34:25Marc:Yeah, I'm gonna copyright my rides here.

00:34:26Guest:I think you could do that I can patent it yeah with if I just give it context my rides he just shirts that say my rides here and then you know he's at the point where he's like

00:34:37Guest:All right.

00:34:38Guest:I'm going to be on stage in 20 minutes.

00:34:41Guest:Call an ambulance and send them across the street.

00:34:45Guest:Just fake that somebody got hurt.

00:34:47Guest:I got to get my hook in.

00:34:48Guest:Say someone's having a heart attack across the street.

00:34:50Guest:I need that siren.

00:34:52Guest:I'm closing with it tonight.

00:34:54Guest:Yeah.

00:34:54Guest:It's mine.

00:34:55Guest:Big closing.

00:34:55Guest:Yeah.

00:34:56Marc:All right.

00:34:56Marc:So, all right.

00:34:57Marc:NumeroGroup.com.

00:34:58Marc:Is that it?

00:34:59Marc:Yes.

00:34:59Marc:For the best of the best shows.

00:35:00Marc:It's beautiful.

00:35:01Marc:Get ready.

00:35:06Oh.

00:35:20Marc:How great is it to hear a couple of guys that are comfortable on mics shooting the shit?

00:35:25Marc:Love it.

00:35:27Marc:Love it.

00:35:28Marc:Tom Sharpling, John Worcester.

00:35:30Marc:Pick up that box set, the best of the best show.

00:35:33Marc:Available at numerogroup.com and in record stores everywhere tomorrow.

00:35:41Marc:You know, Kenan Thompson was doing a sketch on SNL, and it was a game show.

00:35:46Marc:I can't remember.

00:35:47Marc:But the answer was the Marc Maron 5.

00:35:50Marc:I did ask him if he wrote it.

00:35:52Marc:But he hung out.

00:35:53Marc:We hung out in the hotel room.

00:35:55Marc:And the season finale of SNL with host Louis C.K.

00:36:01Marc:and musical guest Rihanna...

00:36:04Marc:This is Saturday, May 16th.

00:36:07Marc:Keenan will be on that, but this is him and I talking in a hotel room at the Bowery Hotel last week.

00:36:20Guest:You never did stand-up though, right?

00:36:22Guest:Not really.

00:36:23Guest:I do these college gigs where I stand up for an hour.

00:36:26Marc:But I've never done like the clubs.

00:36:27Marc:You're riding that, you know, it's like these on SNL.

00:36:30Guest:I'm riding that wave.

00:36:31Guest:I go through the entire wave.

00:36:32Guest:Like fucking Mighty Ducks, Nickelodeon, we go down the whole row.

00:36:36Marc:Right, but like when you go out to colleges, what do you do?

00:36:39Guest:I Talk about my Experiences thus far like and stuff like that.

00:36:48Marc:Oh, you go through your life.

00:36:49Guest:Yeah, I don't have like observances necessarily I just go through like funny stories.

00:36:54Marc:Okay, and you do it on stage as a solo performance Yeah, it's so is it is it billed is like a stand-up show or just sort of like it's billed is like an evening with Keenan

00:37:04Marc:an evening with keenan yeah watch him reflect yeah oh the day and i do like a half an hour q a and that's when it gets fun because it always changes those are the best q a's are the best i love those q a's yeah so wait so which mighty ducks were you in two and three you know because i uh i know steve brill do you yeah i love steve i was in two where when what were you a duck

00:37:27Marc:Yeah.

00:37:28Marc:What do you mean you were in two?

00:37:30Marc:I got cut out of two, I think.

00:37:31Guest:You got cut out of two?

00:37:33Marc:Yeah.

00:37:36Marc:The scene was you guys are wandering around Rodeo Drive.

00:37:38Guest:Yeah.

00:37:39Marc:Right.

00:37:39Marc:Yeah.

00:37:40Marc:And you walk up to a valet and you ask a question and I yell.

00:37:45Marc:And then, like, I basically say, you got to know someone to get into anywhere in this town or some shit like that.

00:37:52Marc:Yeah.

00:37:52Marc:Right.

00:37:53Guest:You remember shooting that, though?

00:37:55Marc:Yeah, I shot it.

00:37:56Guest:No, no, I shot it.

00:37:57Marc:With us?

00:37:58Marc:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:59Marc:You were all there, the guy with the cowboy hat.

00:38:01Guest:Yeah, I totally remember that.

00:38:03Marc:And it got cut from the final cut, but there was a moment there where Steve pulled me aside, and he goes, you have to take down the anger.

00:38:09Marc:You're scaring the ducks.

00:38:12Yeah.

00:38:12Guest:Holy shit, Marc Maron got cut out of Ducks 2?

00:38:16Guest:What the fuck is going on?

00:38:18Guest:What kind of world do we live in?

00:38:19Guest:I was not expecting that.

00:38:21Guest:That was like my first anything.

00:38:23Marc:The first big movie?

00:38:24Guest:15-year-old kid, yeah.

00:38:25Guest:I've never been to LA and all that.

00:38:27Guest:So how'd you get from there to there?

00:38:29Guest:Where'd you grow up?

00:38:30Guest:I'm from Atlanta.

00:38:32Guest:Oh, really?

00:38:32Guest:I just auditioned for mad shit in Atlanta.

00:38:34Guest:And then I was on this kid's news show.

00:38:39Guest:In Atlanta?

00:38:40Guest:The first movie I would critique, I was a movie critic.

00:38:42Guest:On the kids' news show?

00:38:43Guest:Yeah.

00:38:44Marc:In Atlanta?

00:38:44Guest:On TBS, yeah.

00:38:45Marc:Okay, so that, right, yeah.

00:38:47Guest:And the first movie I critiqued was the first Mighty Ducks, and I interviewed a couple of the kids with the movie.

00:38:52Guest:They came to Atlanta and were promoting and shit.

00:38:56Guest:And then a year later, I got to audition for the second one, and I just auditioned my fucking way in there.

00:39:01Marc:So how old were you when you started doing the kids movie show?

00:39:05Marc:13-ish.

00:39:06Marc:How did that start?

00:39:07Marc:Like what kind of, what part of a challenge?

00:39:10Guest:I just was already auditioning for all kinds of shit.

00:39:12Guest:And your parents were just into it?

00:39:14Guest:They had my brother and I into it, like theater and theater classes.

00:39:17Guest:Oh, they got you guys into it?

00:39:19Guest:Yeah.

00:39:19Marc:Oh, they were like, this is our ticket.

00:39:21Marc:This is our ticket.

00:39:22Guest:Well, it's going to be something.

00:39:23Guest:It's going to be that football, baseball, everything else, but, you know, that too.

00:39:28Guest:Just lots of shit.

00:39:29Marc:Piano.

00:39:29Guest:Yeah, piano.

00:39:30Marc:Well, that's nice to have that kind of encouragement.

00:39:33Guest:We were definitely encouraged to do things other than fucking be in the street.

00:39:38Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:39:39Marc:Where'd you grow up in Atlanta?

00:39:41Guest:In College Park, like where the airport is.

00:39:43Marc:Oh, yeah?

00:39:43Guest:Yeah.

00:39:44Guest:And how many siblings you got?

00:39:45Guest:I have an older brother and a younger sister.

00:39:48Guest:What's he up to?

00:39:49Guest:He is entrepreneur.

00:39:52Guest:He's just kind of had an oil change place for a while.

00:39:56Guest:And then he had a liquor store for a while.

00:39:57Marc:Oh, yeah?

00:39:58Guest:Yeah, now he's trying to get an Uber fleet going in Atlanta.

00:40:01Guest:Uber fleet?

00:40:02Guest:Yeah.

00:40:03Guest:So he's working the angles.

00:40:04Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:40:05Guest:He does all right, though?

00:40:06Guest:He's working a few different angles.

00:40:08Guest:Yeah, he does like fucking computer inputting for like medical files, like digitizing medical files and shit like that.

00:40:15Guest:He's like, he can do a lot of different things.

00:40:17Marc:Isn't it weird when people tell you that they do that shit and you're like, what does that even mean?

00:40:21Guest:Right, it's just a bunch of like jargon, in my opinion.

00:40:25Guest:I like the word jargon.

00:40:26Guest:Yeah, yeah, just weird names of things.

00:40:29Guest:Yeah, I mean, just input this into that and that's a job.

00:40:33Guest:And your sis, what's she do?

00:40:35Guest:She is an aspiring music person.

00:40:39Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:40:39Guest:She used to sing and, like, write songs.

00:40:42Guest:She got the voice?

00:40:43Guest:She does have the voice.

00:40:45Guest:And what, your folks still around?

00:40:47Guest:My folks are still around.

00:40:48Guest:My dad is retired, like, mechanic and, like, real estate kind of guy.

00:40:53Marc:Really?

00:40:53Marc:He can take apart a car?

00:40:56Guest:Just bare hands.

00:40:57Marc:Really?

00:40:57Marc:He's a bare hander.

00:40:58Marc:Really?

00:40:58Guest:Yeah, him and my dad, him and my brother had the oil change place together.

00:41:02Marc:That's a good CD name.

00:41:04Marc:Bare Hander.

00:41:04Guest:Yeah.

00:41:05Guest:And my mom's still nursing.

00:41:06Guest:She's a nurse.

00:41:07Guest:Anesthetist.

00:41:08Marc:So are they, like, thrilled at your trajectory, your success?

00:41:13Guest:Yeah.

00:41:13Guest:I mean, my mom, for sure, because she was the one, like, always taking me to the auditions and shit.

00:41:17Guest:You know what I mean?

00:41:18Guest:Hours and hours and hours.

00:41:19Guest:She even, like, worked.

00:41:20Guest:at the theater school so I could like take classes for a discount and shit, like answering phones and shit like that.

00:41:26Marc:So you were in a theater school when you were like, how old did that start?

00:41:29Guest:That started young.

00:41:29Marc:Like eight-ish, seven-ish.

00:41:31Marc:So that was the thing.

00:41:32Marc:It's been my thing, yeah.

00:41:33Marc:But was it something you decided or they put it in your head?

00:41:37Guest:It's something I always enjoyed doing and it just became a thing once it started.

00:41:41Guest:I was like, oh, we can make money at this.

00:41:43Guest:I was like, holy shit, I did this one commercial and they paid me like $800 and I thought that was like a fucking big deal.

00:41:47Guest:Right.

00:41:48Guest:Because it was for a 13-year-old.

00:41:51Guest:What was that commercial for?

00:41:53Guest:Lee's Famous Country Recipe Chicken.

00:41:56Guest:Yeah.

00:41:57Guest:It was a fried chicken.

00:41:58Guest:Yeah.

00:41:58Guest:A place that wasn't even in Atlanta, so I never saw the commercial.

00:42:02Guest:They were in Tennessee and Alabama and Florida, but not in Atlanta.

00:42:06Guest:It was a regional chain.

00:42:08Guest:Yeah, but not so regional to where I could see what I had done.

00:42:12Guest:I still never have seen that commercial to this day.

00:42:14Guest:What did you do?

00:42:15Guest:I fucking was fishing with my grandpa.

00:42:20Guest:And I say, Grandpa, the fish aren't biting.

00:42:24Guest:Yeah.

00:42:24Guest:And then he hands me a piece of chicken, and I take a big old bite, and I say, I like this kind of biting.

00:42:29Guest:So that's what I did, and I'm proud of it.

00:42:32Guest:Are you?

00:42:33Guest:Yeah.

00:42:34Guest:We've got to start somewhere.

00:42:35Guest:That's one of the best stories.

00:42:37Guest:It was like my first real check, and I was really impressed by that.

00:42:41Marc:You got to get that footage.

00:42:43Marc:Right?

00:42:44Marc:You got to reach out.

00:42:45Marc:The internet will find it for you.

00:42:47Marc:The internet.

00:42:47Guest:I was so confused.

00:42:49Guest:Like fake grandparent.

00:42:50Guest:It was just a weird thing.

00:42:51Guest:I'd never done anything like that before.

00:42:53Guest:Were you confused initially?

00:42:54Guest:Yeah, because there's an older guy who was like an actor, too, and I didn't really understand that terminology, what it means to be an actor.

00:43:01Marc:Right.

00:43:01Guest:He had a fucking sailor hat on.

00:43:03Guest:He was a weird dude.

00:43:04Marc:Oh, really?

00:43:04Marc:Yeah.

00:43:04Marc:But he was like a real actor.

00:43:06Marc:So did he act completely different?

00:43:08Guest:I don't even think he was that much of an actor.

00:43:10Guest:I think he was just an older black dude.

00:43:12Guest:Who got the gig?

00:43:13Guest:Who knew Lee?

00:43:16Guest:Who got the gig?

00:43:17Guest:They got him for chicken, that guy.

00:43:18Guest:Yeah, because he didn't really even talk.

00:43:20Guest:He just looked at me.

00:43:22Guest:He had no lines?

00:43:23Guest:No lines.

00:43:24Guest:Just a look.

00:43:25Guest:Where do you go from there, man?

00:43:27Guest:I mean, what happened next?

00:43:28Marc:They got Lee's chicken, and they followed that up with...

00:43:31Guest:I did mad auditions for all kinds of commercials, like Publix, Sonic.

00:43:35Marc:Did you get the commercials?

00:43:37Guest:I did a Publix commercial and a Sonic commercial.

00:43:40Guest:Just being a kid?

00:43:42Guest:In Publix, I was one of the workers who would help the people that shop there with anything, so we were changing a tire, basically.

00:43:51Guest:And in the Sonic one, I think we were just eating burgers or something.

00:43:55Marc:Sure.

00:43:56Guest:Whatever came through Atlanta, basically, is what it was.

00:43:58Marc:And for the gig on the movie critic show.

00:44:02Marc:Now, what kind of movies?

00:44:03Marc:What was that?

00:44:04Guest:That was all kids-based.

00:44:05Guest:So it was like fucking Aladdin and everything animated, everything PG and G. But did you say, like, I didn't like this one?

00:44:11Guest:Yeah, I had my choice.

00:44:12Guest:I judged them on my popcorn scale.

00:44:15Guest:Oh, yeah, good.

00:44:15Guest:And four popcorns was as good as you can do.

00:44:19Yeah.

00:44:19Marc:And yeah, it was it was my choice whatever I thought I thought that was cool And so when you were okay, so you reviewed the first mighty ducks and then now how'd you get the audition for the second one?

00:44:31Marc:It just came around I had an agent right in Atlanta and they did it in my tape.

00:44:35Marc:Oh you put it on tape Yeah, and what was it?

00:44:37Marc:What was the next thing that happened after the after the ducks?

00:44:40Marc:I mean did you get I went to do the Nickelodeon?

00:44:43Marc:All right was Amanda Bynes yeah around that time yeah, and and that

00:44:48Marc:But the weird thing is you made it through that and you got out and you kept having a career.

00:44:55Marc:That doesn't always happen, man.

00:44:57Guest:No, I mean, I was trying hard, man.

00:45:00Guest:I mean, thank God for SNL coming around when it did and getting that job because that kind of like bridged all that.

00:45:06Marc:Right.

00:45:07Marc:So you go to Nickelodeon and that's like just another children's mill.

00:45:12Guest:Yeah, we worked hard there.

00:45:14Guest:Yeah.

00:45:14Guest:What were the shows?

00:45:15Guest:All that and the Kenan and Kel show.

00:45:18Guest:And then everything else year-round Nickelodeon was doing, like the Big Help and Kids' Choice Awards.

00:45:24Marc:It was fun.

00:45:26Guest:Nickelodeon Universe.

00:45:27Guest:And you were what, 14?

00:45:29Marc:I was like 15, 16, yeah.

00:45:31Marc:It was fun.

00:45:32Marc:I had a great time.

00:45:33Marc:And was it like a community?

00:45:35Marc:Did everyone hang out?

00:45:35Marc:Was it like Disney?

00:45:36Marc:We were close.

00:45:38Guest:We were all very close because we worked so much.

00:45:41Guest:It's like similar to SNL, how we spend so much time together.

00:45:43Guest:You just become close.

00:45:45Marc:I always feel like now I'm going to get investigative.

00:45:48Marc:But how hard did they work you over there?

00:45:49Guest:Yeah, no, it was like, once it moved to California, I guess they had to like start like labor law and shit like that.

00:45:56Guest:But when we were in Florida, man, we were putting in fucking hours.

00:45:59Guest:Like we would go to school and then we would shoot till we were done.

00:46:02Guest:And then go to school again and, you know, the next morning, like regardless of when we finished.

00:46:06Marc:So it started in Florida?

00:46:08Guest:Yeah, in Orlando.

00:46:09Guest:Why was it down there?

00:46:10Guest:Is that where Nickelodeon started?

00:46:11Marc:I didn't even know that.

00:46:12Marc:Universal.

00:46:12Guest:They had like, Nickelodeon had like a whole studio where they had like two sound stages and like one was doing like...

00:46:19Guest:you know, Gullah Gullah Island and like really like, you know, children-ish type program.

00:46:24Marc:Right.

00:46:25Guest:Children-ish.

00:46:26Marc:Right.

00:46:26Marc:Real young.

00:46:27Marc:Yeah.

00:46:27Marc:And then you were in the teenage area.

00:46:29Guest:Yeah.

00:46:30Guest:They were trying like, you know, real shit, you know, on the other side as opposed to like, you know, a fucking dancing frog.

00:46:36Guest:And what happened to your partner in that show?

00:46:39Guest:He's still around.

00:46:41Guest:Yeah?

00:46:41Marc:Doing the acting?

00:46:42Marc:Still auditioning.

00:46:43Guest:Still doing the things.

00:46:43Guest:It's tough, man.

00:46:44Marc:I know, man.

00:46:45Guest:It's the tough biz.

00:46:46Guest:So he's been popping up more and more lately.

00:46:48Guest:And when you moved to Los Angeles, did any of your family go with you?

00:46:52Guest:No.

00:46:53Guest:I was like 18 at that point.

00:46:54Guest:So it was like college time.

00:46:56Guest:Yeah.

00:46:57Guest:And yeah, I was on my own.

00:46:58Guest:yeah yeah my mom like bless her heart would like drive out there she did like four times from atlanta just to hang out yeah just to check in was she worried about you i think so yeah just being a mom you getting out of control out here it got to be some late nights some real late nights and some early mornings oh yeah it's not good for the stomach but yeah whatever man we had fun you were partying

00:47:22Guest:I had, yeah.

00:47:23Guest:I mean, I was hanging out.

00:47:24Guest:I was fucking new to LA.

00:47:26Guest:Doing the Hollywood thing?

00:47:27Guest:Once I had, like, I followed around, like, honestly, black comedy night.

00:47:31Guest:Like, once I figured out, like, where all the black people were, that's what I followed around for forever.

00:47:36Guest:And it just happened to be through...

00:47:38Guest:like Monday night at the improv or Tuesday night at the comedy store Wednesday night at the laugh factory and that's just how I like met everybody pretty much in LA and like started like from there I learned how to like what a dance club was in LA you know what I'm saying because I was just going to the comedy club yeah and then guys all those guys would just go out afterwards who were the guys you were running with then

00:48:00Guest:I wasn't running with anybody.

00:48:02Guest:I was just kind of like a puppy, like, following those guys around.

00:48:04Guest:But, like, Harry Spears was, like, always up there killing it.

00:48:08Guest:You know what I mean?

00:48:10Guest:Just all those fools.

00:48:11Guest:Mike Epps would come in and he'd be like, he's like, this guy's a genius.

00:48:15Guest:He's on the verge and shit, like, from the audience.

00:48:17Guest:Right, right.

00:48:20Guest:And, yeah, like, all those fools.

00:48:22Guest:Like, anybody who's kind of halfway doing it, like, right now.

00:48:26Marc:But you never thought to go on.

00:48:27Marc:That's interesting to me.

00:48:29Guest:No, I never did.

00:48:30Guest:I never felt that welcome, honestly.

00:48:35Guest:They kind of were like, what the fuck you doing here?

00:48:37Guest:You got a TV show.

00:48:37Guest:Why the fuck are you around here?

00:48:38Marc:Really?

00:48:39Guest:You're not a comic.

00:48:40Guest:Yeah, right.

00:48:41Guest:So I was just like, I was just trying to hang out.

00:48:43Guest:I'm 18.

00:48:44Guest:There's nowhere I can really go.

00:48:45Marc:And you were going out for movies?

00:48:48Guest:yeah but it was like really nickelodeon focused at that point because i think we had two shows it was like there's no time to like really do much and when did you start going out for movies i mean when did uh it was always but it was more like shit was like kind of given to me for a while because it was people that i knew they were doing things or something or it was like under the nickelodeon umbrella like good burger or something right and then i was kind of like just on call basically yeah

00:49:13Guest:And then once I left Nickelodeon, I started auditioning for, like, everything.

00:49:17Guest:And you were living out there just full time and just hanging out?

00:49:20Guest:Yeah, it was a couple years of, like, weird shit.

00:49:22Guest:Yeah?

00:49:23Guest:Yeah.

00:49:23Guest:Like, what does that mean?

00:49:24Guest:I mean, it's just, like, you know, running out of money and, like, you know, taking odd jobs, you know what I'm saying?

00:49:29Guest:And, like, trying to choose between, like, breaks and food and, like, all kind of weird shit.

00:49:33Marc:You took odd jobs after...

00:49:34Guest:Well, like odd projects like Felicity.

00:49:38Guest:I don't know if that role necessarily is a bona fide, dramatic performance.

00:49:44Guest:It was like a fat suit and dreadlocks.

00:49:46Guest:It was just whatever.

00:49:48Guest:That you don't feel bad about, but...

00:49:50Guest:i don't feel bad about it but like you know like love don't cost a thing was another one that was cool it was like nick cannon's movie and stuff and you know first time director type deal where like the director kind of was married to the producer at one point they're in a partnership for some reason and this is the movie that we're doing you know what i'm saying

00:50:11Marc:And they're no longer together?

00:50:12Guest:They weren't even at that point.

00:50:14Guest:They were just in a business relationship.

00:50:15Marc:And it was nasty?

00:50:17Guest:It was just weird because like they had a... Should I even be talking about these people's lives?

00:50:21Guest:They just had like... They had a kid together and it was like they had like all this...

00:50:27Guest:like weird relationship shit on the shadowing the project a little bit like just how it like he's the guy that funded it but they're not even together anymore it's like it was fucking weird so you did barbershop too exactly and you know that was like starting to look up because i was hanging around like rich black people i was like oh shit like look at this this is

00:50:47Guest:This is possible.

00:50:48Guest:Yeah, this is possible.

00:50:49Guest:And like R. Kelly was like next door shooting a video or something and he came hanging out.

00:50:53Guest:It was like, oh, look at this.

00:50:54Guest:You know what I mean?

00:50:55Guest:Did they know you from?

00:50:56Guest:Popular people.

00:50:57Guest:No, I was always like on the outside kind of looking in.

00:51:00Guest:But if they like would look my way and not like past like Cedric and Ice Cube and Eve and like all these people they got to like tend to first, then they'd be like, oh, yeah, like my little sister watches you or some shit.

00:51:13Guest:Right.

00:51:13Guest:I know you.

00:51:14Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:51:14Guest:That's funny.

00:51:15Guest:But, you know, I was kind of just like,

00:51:17Guest:Just watching.

00:51:19Guest:And then you did Fat Albert?

00:51:21Guest:I did that after I got the SNL gig.

00:51:23Guest:I did my first season of SNL and then we did Fat Albert.

00:51:26Guest:One season of SNL and then the Fat Albert thing.

00:51:29Guest:And Cosby casted you?

00:51:31Guest:Yeah, I sent him my tape and auditioned for the director a few times.

00:51:36Guest:I didn't meet him until the first day of shooting.

00:51:39Guest:He gave me the phone calls.

00:51:40Guest:I was going to speak for the young man from the tape.

00:51:44Guest:And, yeah, he gave me the job and shit.

00:51:48Marc:And when, because you did the bid on the anniversary show, right?

00:51:52Marc:Yeah.

00:51:53Marc:And Eddie didn't want to do it.

00:51:56Guest:I guess.

00:51:56Guest:I don't know if he wanted to do anything.

00:51:58Guest:You know what I'm saying?

00:51:59Marc:It didn't seem like it.

00:52:00Guest:He definitely, I guess, didn't want to do that one.

00:52:03Marc:But was it weird?

00:52:04Marc:Because what were you expecting from Eddie?

00:52:06Marc:I don't know what the rehearsal process was around those anniversary shows, but it must have been pretty crazy.

00:52:11Guest:You know, honestly, I was surprised because we were kind of left in the dark a little bit until the last minute.

00:52:18Marc:About who was going to be on or whether he was going to be on?

00:52:20Guest:About who was going to be doing what.

00:52:23Guest:We kind of knew who was coming, but we didn't know how the show was going to go.

00:52:27Guest:I didn't know all those dudes were going to be doing that much lifting.

00:52:29Guest:I didn't know Ackroyd was going to be doing that much, all those older dudes.

00:52:32Guest:The old bits.

00:52:32Guest:Like Steve Martin doing a ton.

00:52:34Marc:You know what I mean?

00:52:35Guest:Martin Short did a ton.

00:52:36Guest:Yeah.

00:52:37Guest:And I was like, oh, great.

00:52:38Guest:So they're doing all the lifting.

00:52:40Guest:That's fine.

00:52:40Guest:I can just, you know, relax.

00:52:42Guest:Right.

00:52:42Guest:This is great.

00:52:43Guest:But we had to be around, I guess, for, you know, hopeful plug ins.

00:52:46Guest:Right.

00:52:47Guest:And what's up with that became a plug in.

00:52:49Guest:Thanks to Maya and Martin's thing.

00:52:50Guest:That was awesome.

00:52:51Guest:Yeah.

00:52:52Guest:And then, yeah, they had me on call for the Bo Cosby thing.

00:52:54Guest:Like they called me like early.

00:52:56Marc:But in your mind, it wasn't even a question.

00:52:59Marc:Sure, it's a funny bit, I'll do it.

00:53:01Guest:Yeah, because we had been searching for something funny about that story for weeks, and I was like, there's nothing funny about this shit.

00:53:07Guest:And a little taste of the Jeopardy thing is a video thing that they shot months before.

00:53:13Guest:I was like, that works.

00:53:14Marc:So you're okay with it?

00:53:15Guest:Yeah, and I don't think Eddie was hearing all of that.

00:53:19Guest:I think he was just like, no, I don't want to kick a man when he's down.

00:53:21Marc:It's so weird to see him...

00:53:25Marc:Like, so consciously decide not to be funny.

00:53:31Guest:Yeah, I mean... It's bizarre.

00:53:33Guest:It's bizarre.

00:53:34Guest:But my interaction with him was just enough that I needed.

00:53:38Guest:It was like, hey, how's it going?

00:53:40Guest:I'm good.

00:53:41Guest:Bye.

00:53:41Guest:That was it?

00:53:42Guest:Yeah, that's all I needed, because I need to be able to watch Trading Places, you know what I mean, every year.

00:53:47Guest:It's a Christmas thing.

00:53:48Guest:Oh, really?

00:53:49Guest:It's going to be on.

00:53:50Guest:I can't, like, not...

00:53:51Guest:Go what were you afraid of?

00:53:54Guest:He was a dick or something, you know I wouldn't be able to handle like losing all my childhood movies coming to America and 48 hours Right, right.

00:54:02Guest:So you do you're just sort of like, please.

00:54:04Guest:Hey, thank you.

00:54:05Guest:That's it He was like I fucking had to was introduced to him by fucking Brett Ratner Thank God like he had already walked past me right right.

00:54:13Guest:I was like, hey, you know this dude, right?

00:54:15Guest:And I was like, thanks, Brett.

00:54:17Guest:He was like, hey, yeah, man.

00:54:18Guest:All right, cool.

00:54:19Guest:And like walked away.

00:54:20Guest:And that was it.

00:54:20Guest:Yeah, that's fine.

00:54:21Guest:Thank God.

00:54:22Guest:Yeah.

00:54:22Guest:But like anything to do with like, you know, hey, man, can I get a picture real quick?

00:54:26Guest:And him like shitting on that or something.

00:54:29Guest:You didn't want nothing.

00:54:30Guest:It would crush too much of an archive.

00:54:33Guest:Yeah.

00:54:34Marc:And he was a hero to you.

00:54:36Marc:Very funny.

00:54:37Marc:Yeah.

00:54:37Marc:Very funny.

00:54:38Guest:Yeah.

00:54:39Guest:And it's so weird because you know he's naturally that funny.

00:54:42Guest:That's what I'm saying.

00:54:42Guest:At any moment, he can blow the fucking roof off of shit.

00:54:47Guest:He doesn't.

00:54:48Guest:There's whatever in the way of that.

00:54:51Guest:And it's annoying now at this point.

00:54:53Marc:And you just sit there waiting for it.

00:54:55Guest:Yeah, anytime you see him because that's what he's known for doing.

00:54:58Marc:With that half-stupid face, is it going to happen?

00:55:02Marc:Yeah, no, for sure.

00:55:03Marc:That happened when I was with Will Ferrell, when I interviewed Will Ferrell.

00:55:07Guest:He's one of those guys, too, where you're like... Is it about to happen?

00:55:12Guest:Yeah, this is happening?

00:55:14Guest:Yeah, the best, the most funny ever?

00:55:16Guest:Right now.

00:55:17Guest:It's going to happen.

00:55:18Yeah.

00:55:19Guest:Were you on with Will or did you just miss him?

00:55:21Guest:I just missed him.

00:55:22Guest:Him and Tracy, I think, left at the same time.

00:55:23Marc:Yeah, because Will, when I interviewed him, he was pretty earnest.

00:55:26Marc:But I was cool with that.

00:55:28Guest:Yeah, I mean, sometimes you want to, like, just be a guy.

00:55:30Marc:Yeah, just talk, right.

00:55:31Marc:No, of course.

00:55:32Marc:But, you know, when he did do one thing funny, I always overreacted.

00:55:35Guest:Oh, you're the best.

00:55:37Guest:He did it.

00:55:38Guest:You're the best around in the biz.

00:55:42Guest:I'm sorry.

00:55:43Guest:We can get back to being calm.

00:55:45Guest:That's awesome.

00:55:46Guest:Can we talk about your time?

00:55:48Guest:Yeah.

00:55:49Guest:Me?

00:55:49Guest:Yeah.

00:55:49Guest:I would like to know more about it.

00:55:51Marc:About what?

00:55:52Guest:At SNL?

00:55:53Guest:Yeah.

00:55:53Guest:Didn't happen.

00:55:54Guest:I know.

00:55:55Guest:So this is like 95.

00:55:56Guest:Were you already in New York?

00:55:59Marc:No, I was living here.

00:56:01Marc:And I'm sure my listeners will be happy to hear this story for the 90th time.

00:56:05Yeah.

00:56:06Marc:And like I got, you know, I got something, Marcy.

00:56:10Guest:Yeah.

00:56:11Marc:Saw me do stand up at some showcase and said, you know, I think you're good.

00:56:14Marc:I'd like to see Lauren see you.

00:56:15Marc:Maybe at Luna Lounge.

00:56:16Marc:Okay.

00:56:16Marc:Do anything.

00:56:17Marc:And then, but then Lauren was like, came to the comic strip and I did a set.

00:56:22Marc:Mm-hmm.

00:56:22Marc:And I didn't see him.

00:56:24Marc:No.

00:56:24Marc:Yeah, I don't know.

00:56:25Marc:He must be able to disappear or something.

00:56:27Marc:He's the ghost.

00:56:28Marc:Yeah.

00:56:28Marc:And then, uh...

00:56:30Marc:And then they had me do a thing in the studio, screen test.

00:56:34Marc:I did a bit.

00:56:35Marc:And were you doing characters?

00:56:36Marc:No.

00:56:37Marc:No, I think the idea was that I would do update or be a commentator on update.

00:56:42Marc:I think Norm was not a sure thing coming back or something.

00:56:47Marc:Gotcha.

00:56:47Marc:So I did the studio test and I had the meeting with Lorne.

00:56:50Guest:Shit, this is Norm MacDonald time.

00:56:51Guest:Okay.

00:56:52Marc:Well, it was when he was in... In his fuck-ups, yeah.

00:56:55Marc:Right.

00:56:55Marc:Yeah.

00:56:55Marc:When he, like, he was going to come back or not come back.

00:56:58Marc:Yeah.

00:57:00Marc:And then I waited and I had the meeting.

00:57:03Marc:So I had the meeting with him and Higgins.

00:57:05Marc:Yeah.

00:57:05Marc:The weird meeting.

00:57:06Guest:Were you all stoned?

00:57:08Marc:A little, just a little.

00:57:09Marc:A little, I think.

00:57:10Marc:So, like... Like, I think I was like, I'm going to time it out.

00:57:13Marc:So I did, like, three hours.

00:57:14Guest:You played it like you weren't into it because you were stoned?

00:57:16Guest:It was just too much?

00:57:16Marc:Well, I think I was just, you know, like, at that time, like, I don't do anything anymore, but I was sort of in the habit of being high.

00:57:21Marc:Yeah.

00:57:21Marc:yeah it's like part of my breakfast ritual yeah yeah so like i was sort of like well man i don't want to get i don't want to be too high but i got a few hours right so it's that kind of high like it's maybe three hours down the yeah yeah it's unmanageable a little bit just chill yeah exactly and then uh and thank god i didn't have to wait at you know six hours right but but tracy was there and the only thing i remember about tracy

00:57:47Marc:was he was, his hair was shiny.

00:57:50Marc:Like he had done it, like it was cut just right.

00:57:52Marc:It was just perfect.

00:57:54Guest:He was stepping out.

00:57:55Marc:Yeah, exactly.

00:57:57Guest:He was ready to put on a showcase.

00:57:59Guest:He was ready.

00:58:00Guest:That's funny.

00:58:00Marc:And I was like.

00:58:01Guest:Big Tracy.

00:58:02Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:58:03Marc:And he just looked like, you know, everything was trimmed.

00:58:06Marc:You know, he was ready.

00:58:08Guest:Fresh from the shop.

00:58:09Marc:Right.

00:58:09Marc:And I was sitting there going, I was thinking like, I ain't got a shot.

00:58:13Marc:This guy is like, he looks like a new car.

00:58:15Guest:Yeah.

00:58:18Marc:And the meeting was just weird, you know, if you read about it.

00:58:22Marc:But I prod people about him.

00:58:26Marc:You seem to be pretty chill and not too tweaked out about the whole thing in general.

00:58:31Marc:I try not to think much about it.

00:58:33Guest:About him or just the gig?

00:58:35Guest:Just the gig itself.

00:58:37Guest:It's like what you're a part of.

00:58:39Guest:And you've got to go over there today?

00:58:41Guest:Yeah.

00:58:42Guest:And what happens today?

00:58:43Marc:What day is today?

00:58:44Marc:Today is Monday.

00:58:45Marc:We're pitching.

00:58:47Marc:For this Saturday.

00:58:48Marc:Mm-hmm.

00:58:48Marc:And now how does that happen?

00:58:49Marc:So what do you got?

00:58:50Marc:You go in, you sit with the writers, or what do you do?

00:58:52Marc:What's a pitch meeting?

00:58:53Guest:No, everybody pitches out two ideas, basically.

00:58:56Guest:We all come into, like, Lauren's office, and the host is there in a chair, and we all sit around.

00:59:00Guest:Who's the host?

00:59:01Guest:It's Reese Witherspoon this week.

00:59:03Marc:So you can go into the office today with Reese and all the other cast members?

00:59:07Guest:Cast members and writers.

00:59:09Guest:So they're all in Lauren's office?

00:59:11Guest:They're all piled in there, sitting on the floors.

00:59:14Guest:Really?

00:59:14Guest:Yeah.

00:59:15Guest:And he sits at his desk?

00:59:16Guest:And he sits at his desk.

00:59:17Guest:And we all individually toss out two, hopefully, funny ideas for her to feel a little more comfortable.

00:59:25Guest:Have you worked with her before?

00:59:27Guest:I don't think so.

00:59:29Guest:She's been on before, but I don't think I was there yet.

00:59:32Marc:All right, so you're going to go in.

00:59:33Marc:What are your ideas?

00:59:35Guest:I don't know.

00:59:35Guest:I have this one idea because I was watching the fucking Love Boat yesterday.

00:59:39Guest:New York has this one channel where they just keep showing all these old, like Remington Steel came on right after it.

00:59:46Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:59:47Guest:So this channel is showing all these old sitcoms.

00:59:49Guest:And the laugh track was so loud, it was kind of stepping on their lines.

00:59:53Guest:So I have some idea based on that where the laugh track is super distracted.

00:59:56Guest:oh yeah but yeah it doesn't mean i'm gonna write that you know what i'm saying it's just like something to try to get a stir out of the room and that's the angle but not a love boat now what kind of question would who would ask the first question about that bit so you put that out it just goes around and it's like hey reese how you doing um i have this one idea where you're kind of like uh on a sitcom and the laugh track of the sitcom is starting to step on your lines and it's becoming distracted

01:00:19Guest:Hopefully people will get that in life and I'll move on.

01:00:22Guest:I have this other idea where you're the host of a game show or some shit like that.

01:00:27Guest:But would people go, what kind of sitcom?

01:00:29Guest:What sitcom?

01:00:30Guest:If they do that, hopefully you can continue a funny enough banter.

01:00:34Marc:With the writer or whoever is in the room?

01:00:36Marc:Once we leave, if they really want to write it, yeah.

01:00:39Marc:But...

01:00:40Marc:What would stop you from actually doing a riff on the love boat or actually doing a scene from an old sitcom that would be on?

01:00:47Guest:I mean, if I wanted to write that, that'd be a separate thing because our writing night is on Tuesday.

01:00:52Guest:Monday is just like, you know, everybody's sitting around kind of being funny and we go one by one tossing out.

01:00:58Marc:Do you know all the cast members at this point?

01:01:00Guest:Yeah.

01:01:01Guest:You can name them all?

01:01:02Guest:Yeah.

01:01:03Guest:Okay.

01:01:04Marc:Yeah.

01:01:04Marc:Aren't there new people every week now?

01:01:06Guest:We get them like every year.

01:01:08Guest:Somebody comes in and out every year.

01:01:11Guest:And you're the longest running cast member at this point.

01:01:14Guest:At the moment, yeah.

01:01:15Guest:It's me.

01:01:16Guest:I have the... Tenure.

01:01:17Guest:Yeah.

01:01:18Guest:Or not tenure.

01:01:18Guest:Goblet.

01:01:19Guest:Yeah.

01:01:19Guest:It's 10 years?

01:01:21Guest:It's 12 at the moment.

01:01:22Guest:Is this it?

01:01:23Guest:No.

01:01:25Marc:Why do people keep saying that it's it?

01:01:26Guest:Well, they said that at the beginning for some reason.

01:01:29Guest:They were just... What?

01:01:30Guest:People, I guess, thought they had some info and just threw that story out.

01:01:33Guest:And we denied it immediately, but the only thing people remember is that.

01:01:36Marc:When you heard it, were you like, is there something I don't know?

01:01:39Guest:Yeah, I got nervous.

01:01:41Guest:I was like, oh, shit.

01:01:42Guest:Like, for real?

01:01:42Guest:Because I heard they did Keenan and Ivy Wayans like that.

01:01:44Guest:Like, he showed up, you know, at work.

01:01:46Guest:Yeah.

01:01:47Guest:And I said Wayans on purpose.

01:01:49Guest:Yeah.

01:01:50Guest:But, like, he showed up at work and they told him, like, it was a no-go.

01:01:53Guest:Like, the show was off.

01:01:54Guest:That was it?

01:01:55Guest:Yeah, when he had that late night talk show.

01:01:57Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:01:58Guest:Yeah.

01:01:59Guest:I don't know.

01:01:59Guest:That's the rumor.

01:02:00Guest:But that's what I was thinking.

01:02:01Marc:His box of stuff was in the hall.

01:02:03Guest:Or something like the guy, the guard at the gate was like, oh, no, Kenan, you ain't heard.

01:02:07Guest:Oh, Kenan, come on.

01:02:10Marc:That does happen in show business.

01:02:12Marc:Yeah, like more than once.

01:02:13Marc:Oh, yeah, where you don't, like, no one's willing to take the responsibility.

01:02:16Marc:Of telling you, yeah.

01:02:17Marc:Right, you just hear from somebody who's barely involved.

01:02:20Marc:Right.

01:02:20Marc:They come up to you and go, sorry, it didn't, and you're like, what?

01:02:23Marc:Yeah.

01:02:23Marc:And like, oh, you didn't, oh, maybe I'm, and then you call your agent or whatever.

01:02:27Marc:It's like, oh, where'd you hear that?

01:02:29Marc:Yeah.

01:02:29Marc:Oh, maybe it is.

01:02:30Marc:Well, what's it like for your show on IFC?

01:02:33Marc:On IFC?

01:02:34Marc:We're doing okay.

01:02:36Marc:I don't know what's going to happen.

01:02:37Marc:The new season premieres May 14th.

01:02:40Guest:Once you're in your third season, you're golden, right?

01:02:44Marc:Who the hell knows?

01:02:45Marc:I hope we can do more.

01:02:49Marc:I don't know how many I need to do.

01:02:52Marc:Right.

01:02:53Marc:That's how many do you want to do?

01:02:55Marc:Well, yeah, but yeah, but the weird thing is is work is work, right?

01:02:58Marc:Yeah, yeah, so I mean did you ever have a moment where you like How many times are you gonna do this or you just love it?

01:03:05Guest:I mean, I just love it plus I mean SNL I guess is a special case There's not really many shows like it.

01:03:10Guest:That's right.

01:03:11Guest:Yeah, like I'm in a hurry to like go be a normal auditioning actor again

01:03:16Marc:So, okay, so today you do the pitch meeting.

01:03:19Marc:Now, when you say you're going to write it, so how much writing do you do?

01:03:22Marc:So you're billed as a writer-performer.

01:03:24Marc:That's your job.

01:03:25Marc:Yes.

01:03:26Guest:And you write bits.

01:03:26Guest:Technically.

01:03:27Guest:Yeah.

01:03:28Guest:I don't write much.

01:03:29Guest:Like I've written on my own computer personally, like alone, maybe twice.

01:03:33Guest:But I write with the writers.

01:03:36Guest:Oh, so you stand in a room and they're like, oh, good, good, good.

01:03:39Marc:Who are the cats over there now?

01:03:40Marc:Who's your writing guys?

01:03:42Guest:I write a lot with Brian Tucker.

01:03:44Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:03:44Guest:Colin Jost.

01:03:45Guest:Brian Tucker, he's been there a while now, right?

01:03:47Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:03:48Guest:He's like a head writer now.

01:03:49Guest:I remember that dude.

01:03:50Guest:Yeah, that's my homie.

01:03:53Guest:He's like, you know, a black person's encyclopedia.

01:03:56Guest:He helps explain the black experience to the world.

01:04:01Guest:He's good at that.

01:04:02Guest:He's a skinny white dude.

01:04:04Guest:Skinny, like premature looking white dude.

01:04:06Marc:Right.

01:04:07Marc:Yeah.

01:04:08Marc:Yeah, I know that guy.

01:04:09Marc:Yeah.

01:04:10Guest:Wild.

01:04:11Guest:And he's like, he's the wizard, huh?

01:04:13Guest:He's one of mine.

01:04:14Guest:Yeah, he's one of my go-to, like,

01:04:16Guest:I appreciate you.

01:04:18Guest:I have this half-assed idea, and he makes it into something legible, for sure.

01:04:24Marc:So you pitch today, and then you write tomorrow, and then you were frying on Wednesday, they go and make full scripts on Wednesday?

01:04:31Marc:When do you have to have scripts done?

01:04:32Marc:Yeah, we'll read it Wednesday.

01:04:33Guest:Oh, you read Wednesday?

01:04:34Guest:I mean, it's supposed to be done at like 10 in the morning Wednesday.

01:04:36Marc:For a table read?

01:04:37Marc:Yeah.

01:04:38Guest:And then certain decisions are made?

01:04:40Guest:That's with Lauren sitting there?

01:04:41Guest:that's what they all go into some room him and the host and like higgins and like a few of the like the head writer yeah jose and those guys they go in a room with the scripts yeah i think it's just in lauren's office probably okay this before the read-through or after after oh after and then they go i don't know if i like this one yeah it didn't register yeah all of that

01:05:03Guest:it didn't register 10 out of the 40 and start doing shit and then everybody goes to work like all the different departments and okay so let's go back to your audition now so you how did it happen this is a big story it's the end of barbershop 2 in Chicago summer Chicago beautiful summer

01:05:23Guest:yeah I get the call like the last week of shooting or something that it was like audition time and you know from your agent oh Tracy's gone yeah crazy Tracy's gone they're gonna audition like all kinds of black people and I was like hell yeah yeah I came to New York straight from Chicago and staying at the Paramount like mattress on the floor style yeah fucking just really tripping like I've never really been in New York more than a day why mattress on the floor

01:05:53Guest:It was a small room and it's kind of like their hippie chic way of doing things.

01:05:57Guest:Yeah, it's a very tiny room.

01:05:59Guest:Hey, it's a tiny room, but what if the mattress was on the floor?

01:06:03Marc:Would it make you feel artistic?

01:06:05Marc:And there's usually a painting or a fake print of some idiot.

01:06:08Guest:All kind of bullshit.

01:06:10Guest:It was all white.

01:06:11Guest:Everything was white.

01:06:12Guest:And then a little bathroom.

01:06:13Guest:So, yeah.

01:06:15Guest:Yeah.

01:06:15Guest:All right.

01:06:16Guest:So I remember like not spending much time in there.

01:06:18Marc:Yeah.

01:06:19Guest:I don't think they were designed for that.

01:06:20Guest:Yeah.

01:06:21Guest:But I was just panicking so much that I don't really remember what I was doing in that room.

01:06:25Guest:Honestly, like beyond like just smoking, you know, blunt after blunt.

01:06:29Marc:Yeah.

01:06:31Marc:And then so what happened?

01:06:32Marc:So they put you up over there and then first.

01:06:35Guest:try out was at the stand-up New York doing stand-up and I never done stand-up before so I had to come over like seven minutes of fucking really material and shit like in my manager's office before I came out and I just came out here with that shit in my mind like that was part of the audition you got to do stand-up it was the beginning of it and then like the callbacks were all even if you weren't in the stand-up yeah and what'd you do up there

01:07:00Guest:I started out with a fucking phone call between Al Sharpton and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

01:07:05Guest:So you did characters?

01:07:06Guest:Yeah.

01:07:07Guest:Did it work?

01:07:08Guest:No.

01:07:09Guest:Not in the comedy club, like, at all.

01:07:11Guest:Those people want to hear, like, you talk to them.

01:07:14Guest:Like, I don't even think I acknowledged that there was an audience there.

01:07:17Guest:I was just running through sketches.

01:07:18Guest:And were you terrified?

01:07:20Guest:Beyond.

01:07:22Guest:I was beyond terrified.

01:07:24Guest:But there were so many people that had gone up, and then I kind of saw it.

01:07:28Guest:I was like, well, I can...

01:07:29Guest:So nobody was doing that good.

01:07:31Guest:I'm just different.

01:07:31Guest:You know what I mean?

01:07:32Guest:Right.

01:07:32Guest:I could go up there and be like, man, my daddy used to whoop my ass.

01:07:36Guest:I'm like, whatever.

01:07:38Marc:Yeah.

01:07:38Marc:So people weren't doing well.

01:07:39Guest:You didn't feel like you were like.

01:07:41Guest:Nobody was really destroying.

01:07:42Guest:Like JB went up and fucking destroyed it.

01:07:46Guest:But I think he went up after me.

01:07:47Marc:Smooth?

01:07:48Marc:JB Smooth?

01:07:48Marc:Yeah.

01:07:48Guest:Were there other comics on there?

01:07:50Guest:yeah it was a bunch yeah yeah it was a bunch of people kale auditioned for it yeah yeah and um yeah there's a lot of people like finesse and i got hired together uh-huh but the callbacks were on the stage like a day and a half later or something like at mbc yeah and you got called i felt like much more comfortable there right like cameras and set and like no audience and i can't see anybody out there

01:08:14Guest:Yeah, just a kid playing in the mirror, basically.

01:08:16Marc:Right.

01:08:16Marc:You know what I mean?

01:08:17Marc:And that went all right?

01:08:18Guest:I feel better about that.

01:08:20Guest:Did you do Sharpton?

01:08:22Guest:Same deal.

01:08:23Guest:Like, started out with, like, the phone ringing, and it was like, I want to speak to Governor Schwarzenegger.

01:08:30Guest:And he gets on the phone, and he's like, I forgot what they were even talking about.

01:08:34Guest:Yeah.

01:08:34Guest:It was something to do with, like, helping stop the fires or some shit.

01:08:38Guest:I don't know.

01:08:38Guest:Uh-huh.

01:08:40Guest:And...

01:08:41Guest:Went home, went back to L.A.

01:08:44Guest:for like a week and hadn't heard anything.

01:08:47Guest:So I just had a week of fucking panicking.

01:08:49Guest:I fucked it up.

01:08:49Guest:I didn't get the job, whatever.

01:08:51Guest:Then got the call that they wanted to do one more audition at the fucking Laugh Factory.

01:08:55Guest:And I was like, more stand-up.

01:08:57Guest:But it was just down to four people this time.

01:08:59Guest:Who was that?

01:08:59Guest:It was just a showcase.

01:09:00Guest:It was me, J.B.

01:09:03Guest:Finesse, and D-Ray.

01:09:04Guest:D-Ray Davis?

01:09:06Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:09:06Guest:I like that guy.

01:09:07Guest:I don't.

01:09:08Guest:Okay.

01:09:09Guest:But...

01:09:10Guest:That's who it was down to.

01:09:12Guest:And then me and Fnance got hired and JB got hired as a writer.

01:09:17Marc:I don't know D-Ray.

01:09:19Marc:I like his stand-up, some of it.

01:09:20Marc:Yeah, it's different, I guess, with the person.

01:09:22Marc:Yeah.

01:09:24Marc:I just want to qualify that.

01:09:26Marc:I've never met him in my life.

01:09:27Marc:Yeah, I'll qualify that I have and he's a dick.

01:09:30Marc:Noted.

01:09:35Marc:It's not a surprise, I don't think.

01:09:36Marc:I don't think many people will be surprised.

01:09:38Marc:Yeah, well, I don't know.

01:09:39Marc:I think I've seen him once on...

01:09:43Marc:One of those Shaq shows with Kevin Hart.

01:09:46Guest:You watch those late-night Shaq All-Stars?

01:09:48Marc:I've watched the Shaq All-Stars with Kevin Hart.

01:09:51Marc:That broke Kevin Hart.

01:09:52Marc:I don't know why I was watching it.

01:09:55Marc:It's on.

01:09:56Marc:It's on.

01:09:57Marc:And D-Ray talked about, I think, his mom being on Dope or something.

01:10:01Marc:I was like, that's pretty raw.

01:10:02Marc:That's raw.

01:10:03Marc:Yeah.

01:10:03Marc:That's as raw as it gets.

01:10:04Marc:Yeah.

01:10:05Marc:So, you know, so that's where my sense of him comes from.

01:10:08Marc:I don't know what he's become since then.

01:10:10Marc:I don't know what kind of monster he is.

01:10:11Guest:I mean, before and after that, I'm sure it's the same person.

01:10:14Guest:It's just, you know, his material.

01:10:16Guest:He's always been a good comic.

01:10:17Guest:Yeah.

01:10:18Guest:Yeah.

01:10:18Guest:All right.

01:10:19Guest:So then it's you four.

01:10:22Marc:And then when do you find out you get hired?

01:10:24Guest:I just remember I couldn't drink enough water that night.

01:10:26Guest:Like I was drinking water out of the sink in the lab factory bathroom.

01:10:30Guest:Freaking out.

01:10:31Guest:totally yeah my mouth was so dry wow that's the one thing i remember brother and i just kept like refilling that like bottle of water and that place is all packed with a papered room of youngsters of all different ethnicities yeah waiting for something weekend audience oh just wanting to hear some good jokes no

01:10:50Guest:Some solid tourists waiting to be entertained by whatever.

01:10:53Marc:I don't know what those audiences are.

01:10:54Marc:I don't know if they're tourists.

01:10:55Marc:They just pull kids in.

01:10:57Marc:Yeah.

01:10:57Marc:Waiting to see Dave Cook.

01:10:58Guest:And it was like a night thing.

01:10:59Guest:So it was like I had all day to wait for it.

01:11:02Guest:Oh, just freaking out?

01:11:03Guest:Yeah.

01:11:03Guest:And I think I went like last.

01:11:05Guest:Oh.

01:11:06Guest:So like Finesse went up.

01:11:07Guest:It blew it up.

01:11:08Guest:You know what I'm saying?

01:11:09Guest:D-Ray went up first, I think.

01:11:10Guest:It blew it up.

01:11:11Guest:And then JB came and fucking just destroyed it.

01:11:14Marc:Oh, you're the last.

01:11:15Guest:And then I went last.

01:11:18Guest:With fucking Al Sharpton phone calls, man.

01:11:22Guest:It was rough.

01:11:24Marc:Did you tank?

01:11:26Guest:Yeah.

01:11:27Guest:Yeah, like pretty solidly.

01:11:29Guest:All my stand-up audiences were like, what the fuck is this?

01:11:33Guest:Oh, my God.

01:11:35Guest:It pertained much better to television, I guess.

01:11:38Marc:But I just like that feeling of just watching people kill.

01:11:41Guest:Just quiet.

01:11:42Guest:Oh, watching people destroy it.

01:11:44Guest:I want to laugh, but man, it's just like...

01:11:47Guest:Killing me.

01:11:49Guest:And JB is the funniest man in the world.

01:11:51Marc:He's so funny.

01:11:53Guest:Non-stop.

01:11:54Guest:He's unbelievable.

01:11:55Guest:He's like watching television.

01:11:57Marc:Yeah.

01:11:58Guest:And I just wasn't ready, man.

01:11:59Guest:I wasn't ready to do no shit like that.

01:12:02Marc:So you tanked it up.

01:12:05Guest:Pretty strong.

01:12:06Marc:And what did you think after that?

01:12:10Guest:After that, I was just like, man, I did my best.

01:12:14Guest:Fuck that and fuck whoever thinks that I can't be funny.

01:12:18Guest:And I was just like, whatever, man.

01:12:19Guest:In your head, you're like, fuck them.

01:12:21Guest:They're never going to see the real.

01:12:23Guest:They don't know me.

01:12:24Guest:You know what I'm saying?

01:12:25Guest:Only I know me.

01:12:27Guest:And luckily the call came like the next day.

01:12:31Guest:And then I moved to New York like the next day.

01:12:33Marc:So you got cast out of the Laugh Factory.

01:12:36Marc:You didn't have to go meet with Lauren or nothing.

01:12:38Marc:They said you're on the movie.

01:12:40Marc:Yeah.

01:12:40Guest:No, I got the job and then I met with him.

01:12:42Marc:How was that?

01:12:45Guest:It was surreal.

01:12:48Guest:Was there a point where you were the only black guy on?

01:12:51Guest:Yeah, I was on by myself for like six years or something like that.

01:12:56Guest:It was a long time.

01:12:58Guest:Did that bother you?

01:12:59Guest:No.

01:13:01Guest:In my mind, I thought I was like, oh, I'm good.

01:13:05Guest:I'm really good.

01:13:06Guest:Because they got flack for that, and then all of a sudden, now the show's almost all black, right?

01:13:10Guest:Well, they got flack about the women thing.

01:13:12Guest:Right.

01:13:12Guest:And that was after they had already hired Jay and all that.

01:13:16Guest:So it was kind of like misdirected flack.

01:13:17Guest:Oh, Pharoah?

01:13:17Guest:Right, okay.

01:13:18Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:18Guest:Like people were just looking for something to write.

01:13:20Guest:Right, right.

01:13:21Guest:Like misquoted me to death, you know what I mean?

01:13:24Marc:They did?

01:13:24Guest:Yeah.

01:13:25Guest:Like how?

01:13:25Yeah.

01:13:25Guest:I mean, because what I was saying was, like, it's not like they don't audition black women, you know what I mean, season after season.

01:13:33Guest:It's just the ones that do come around aren't necessarily ready to do the show.

01:13:37Guest:Otherwise, they would have gotten the job.

01:13:39Guest:You know what I mean?

01:13:39Guest:And they took that as, like...

01:13:41Guest:I'm saying that black women aren't ready to do SNL, and that's not what I was saying.

01:13:45Marc:Oh, they took you out of context.

01:13:47Guest:Yeah.

01:13:47Guest:Most black women that are ready to do that show are probably already working.

01:13:51Guest:You know what I mean?

01:13:52Marc:Sure.

01:13:52Guest:It's just like slimmer pickings, basically.

01:13:54Guest:It's just math.

01:13:55Guest:Yeah.

01:13:56Guest:Had you ever met Leslie before she got the gig?

01:13:59Guest:I had seen her, though, in national security.

01:14:01Guest:I was like, well, she's funny.

01:14:02Guest:She's a force in nature, dude.

01:14:03Guest:I didn't know that she was a stand-up, and her stand-up was completely different from that little character that she played, but I knew she was funny.

01:14:10Guest:She's a beast.

01:14:10Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:14:11Guest:This is my homie.

01:14:12Marc:Yeah.

01:14:12Guest:She's like one of my best friends right now.

01:14:14Marc:She's great.

01:14:15Marc:A genuine person.

01:14:17Marc:Straight shooter.

01:14:18Marc:For sure.

01:14:19Marc:Yeah.

01:14:19Guest:She's funny and just raw as fuck.

01:14:22Marc:Yeah.

01:14:23Marc:So when there was all that bullshit going on, you're like, it was overstated.

01:14:26Marc:It wasn't really.

01:14:28Guest:And they misquoted you.

01:14:30Guest:Insanely misquoted.

01:14:31Guest:And there's like no amount of like.

01:14:33Guest:Did shit come back at you?

01:14:34Guest:No, no, no.

01:14:34Guest:What I said was.

01:14:36Guest:That'll like echo the way that that first one does.

01:14:40Marc:You know what I'm saying?

01:14:41Marc:Oh, no, never, never.

01:14:42Guest:The retraction is always on the page seven.

01:14:44Guest:Exactly.

01:14:44Marc:Oh, by the way, he didn't kill the people.

01:14:47Guest:So whatever.

01:14:49Guest:It just, you know, it became like a flood or whatever, like auditioning black ladies.

01:14:53Guest:And we got we hired like three from it.

01:14:56Guest:And two are still there.

01:14:58Guest:And whatever the fuck, man, they got their jobs and they're moving on.

01:15:01Guest:So I'll be the bad guy, I guess, if I have to be.

01:15:03Guest:But it's calmed down.

01:15:05Guest:There is no bad guy.

01:15:07Guest:No.

01:15:07Guest:It's just like, I guess I shouldn't be speaking on their hirings and firings.

01:15:11Guest:Did Lorne advise you at that juncture?

01:15:14Guest:He was like, here's what's going to happen.

01:15:16Guest:He was going to handle this.

01:15:17Guest:You know what I mean?

01:15:18Guest:Like, just don't talk about it.

01:15:19Guest:It's something that you don't really have anything to do with.

01:15:23Guest:You know, blah, blah, blah.

01:15:24Guest:I was really kind of just defending us, basically.

01:15:26Guest:Like, no, we give everybody a chance.

01:15:29Guest:It's just like...

01:15:30Guest:This ain't no bullshit.

01:15:31Guest:I mean, not to say that, you know, people get hired for bullshit, but like it's a hard show.

01:15:36Guest:You know what I'm saying?

01:15:36Guest:And you got to like really be on top of a lot of different games to be able to get the job, in my opinion.

01:15:41Guest:Right.

01:15:41Guest:And then there's people who are insanely ready that don't get the job for whatever reason.

01:15:46Guest:So there's a lot of reasons of like why people do and don't get the job.

01:15:49Guest:You know what I'm saying?

01:15:49Guest:Beyond just being like black.

01:15:52Guest:Sure.

01:15:53Guest:Right.

01:15:53Marc:He's got to think that you fit into something.

01:15:55Guest:Yeah, or it's just a weird thing that you end up getting it because somebody thought you were funny and can end up convincing him, like, yeah, just give him a chance or whatever.

01:16:05Marc:Right, right, right.

01:16:07Marc:How sharp is he on a day-to-day basis?

01:16:09Guest:He's with it.

01:16:10Guest:He's, like, right there on it every day.

01:16:12Guest:It's so scary.

01:16:14Guest:He's like, fuck, man, I got to, like, really work.

01:16:17Marc:Always.

01:16:17Guest:This dude's, like, watching, yeah.

01:16:18Guest:Really?

01:16:19Marc:Yeah.

01:16:19Marc:That's how he stays alive.

01:16:21Marc:Yeah.

01:16:21Marc:That's how he keeps it interesting.

01:16:23Guest:Yeah.

01:16:23Guest:Every day.

01:16:24Guest:Not necessarily all day, but like every day.

01:16:27Marc:So when you go in, like tonight, you go pitch and then you go home?

01:16:33Marc:Or what?

01:16:33Marc:How long you got to stay there?

01:16:34Marc:You just do the thing in his office?

01:16:35Guest:I mean, you could write.

01:16:36Guest:You could write tonight if you want.

01:16:38Guest:But I usually just take the night because we only get Sundays off.

01:16:41Guest:So it's nice to have another Monday night.

01:16:43Marc:Right.

01:16:43Marc:And what's the dynamic over there?

01:16:44Marc:Is it still very competitive?

01:16:46Marc:Do you feel like there are people, like, is there a person there who's sort of like, that guy's kissing ass?

01:16:51Marc:Does that stuff go on?

01:16:52Marc:I kiss a lot of ass.

01:16:53Marc:You do?

01:16:53Guest:I kiss everybody's ass.

01:16:54Guest:You do?

01:16:54Guest:I'm a brown noser.

01:16:55Guest:Oh, yeah?

01:16:56Guest:I high five everybody, make sure everybody's having it.

01:16:58Guest:You feeling good today, bud?

01:16:59Guest:How's it going, man?

01:17:00Guest:You do that?

01:17:01Guest:I mean, yeah.

01:17:01Guest:I mean, I just like people.

01:17:03Guest:Yeah.

01:17:03Guest:So I get along with everybody.

01:17:05Guest:It's not really brown-nosing.

01:17:06Guest:I'm just kidding.

01:17:07Guest:In 12 years.

01:17:08Marc:I'm a happy person.

01:17:09Marc:Right.

01:17:10Marc:So when you were the only black dude on, you never once thought, like, we need some more black people.

01:17:15Guest:I mean, yeah.

01:17:16Guest:I just didn't know who they were going to be.

01:17:18Guest:I would watch the Shaq All-Stars and shit like that.

01:17:23Guest:Whoever would come auditioning.

01:17:25Guest:But a lot of them don't even watch the show, so they wouldn't really even want to audition.

01:17:28Guest:You know what I'm saying?

01:17:29Guest:Right.

01:17:29Guest:And what do you think the dude's on there now?

01:17:31Guest:Jay and the... I think Jay's incredibly talented.

01:17:35Guest:And Leslie's insane.

01:17:37Guest:And Sashir's insanely talented, too.

01:17:39Guest:Everybody's got their own little flavor, their little style.

01:17:41Marc:And who's the update dude?

01:17:43Guest:on michael chay yeah michael chay's incredible yeah he's a wizard yeah he's he's insanely like smart and progressive and still super like down at the same time you know what i'm saying like uh-huh he's he's 100 new york he's a thoroughbred and the work ethic dude you know you got to have something to be there for 12 fucking years i mean like because everything i hear it's crazy it is crazy and you don't crack huh

01:18:10Guest:I mean, I've had my moments.

01:18:12Marc:Oh, yeah.

01:18:12Guest:It sucks to get left out of the show because of whatever.

01:18:15Guest:You know what I'm saying?

01:18:16Marc:For a whole show.

01:18:16Guest:Yeah.

01:18:17Guest:And I've definitely been donated a few times.

01:18:20Marc:Yeah.

01:18:21Marc:And what do you do usually?

01:18:22Guest:Fuck.

01:18:24Guest:One thing about this show is you always realize there's another show.

01:18:27Marc:Right.

01:18:28Guest:And you better not make... There'll be some more shows.

01:18:30Marc:Don't make a scene?

01:18:32Guest:You don't want to burn bridges.

01:18:33Guest:I've never been like a bridge burner, but I definitely...

01:18:36Guest:had my moments where I was cursing out everybody in my dressing room.

01:18:40Guest:By yourself?

01:18:41Guest:Yeah, or just telling my manager, like, yo, what the fuck you got me up here for?

01:18:44Guest:You know what I'm saying?

01:18:45Guest:What the fuck is this shit, man?

01:18:46Guest:Fuck this shit.

01:18:47Guest:Like, for real.

01:18:48Guest:On the phone with the manager.

01:18:49Guest:Just not knowing how...

01:18:51Guest:It goes, you know, like how you have to like wait your turn, how it's just, you know, a million different scenarios while things get cut or whatever.

01:18:58Marc:Well, that was at the beginning.

01:18:59Guest:Not understanding, you know what I'm saying, the full, you know, construction of it all.

01:19:04Marc:Did you feel at times that Lauren was fucking with you?

01:19:08Marc:Not personally.

01:19:09Marc:Oh, just that's the way of the show.

01:19:12Guest:When I first started, I didn't really know how to write.

01:19:15Guest:You know what I'm saying?

01:19:15Guest:I didn't have a go-to writing person that would just get my shit on every week.

01:19:19Guest:And I just was kind of like, I didn't know what to do.

01:19:22Guest:I was in a stand-up, so I wasn't used to writing for myself.

01:19:25Guest:Finesse was another case.

01:19:26Guest:He had characters that he came in auditioning with, which was something that I thought that was cool.

01:19:33Guest:And he was a pretty good writer, you know what I'm saying?

01:19:36Guest:Yeah.

01:19:37Guest:And he was able to kind of self-sustain himself in the beginning.

01:19:41Guest:And me, I kind of leaned on what I could do for other people's pieces.

01:19:46Guest:And if there wasn't anything like that that week, then I was fucking... So you rely on someone pulling you in?

01:19:51Guest:Yeah.

01:19:52Guest:I was just relying on people trying to appreciate my Tis Allen.

01:19:55Marc:Yeah.

01:19:56Marc:But that's sort of the way it goes from what I understand, is that you figure out that you align yourself with the writer.

01:20:02Marc:Mm-hmm.

01:20:02Marc:And you kind of find your guy.

01:20:04Guest:I mean, of course, I tried to write once or twice a couple of sketches that would just go left and fucking right and make no sense just because I'm a kid typing on my computer whatever's coming to mind.

01:20:15Guest:Like what?

01:20:16Guest:I don't even remember.

01:20:18Guest:Because some of those sketches don't make sense.

01:20:20Guest:No, just like a babysitter doing some extra shit, but I can't even remember what the fuck I was writing.

01:20:26Guest:Running around, but then leaving the house and not really understanding.

01:20:30Guest:You can't just leave the sketch or whatever.

01:20:31Guest:You have to do a pre-tape if you do that or some shit like that.

01:20:35Guest:Just logistics.

01:20:36Guest:And then when somebody, like, finally wrote me, like, a full sketch, I tanked the shit out of it because I stuttered over some word and I just, like, panicked and couldn't, like, ad-lib out of it.

01:20:45Guest:I just let the moment go.

01:20:47Guest:And, like, I heard, like, So Cold is, like, you could hear this lady in the audience go, aww.

01:20:53Guest:One single lady.

01:20:55Guest:It was that quiet.

01:20:57Guest:You just choked?

01:20:58Guest:I choked it, man, because my second season, Tishon wrote it for me.

01:21:02Guest:You know Tishon Shannon?

01:21:03Marc:Tishon Shannon, yeah.

01:21:04Marc:Is he still over there?

01:21:05Guest:No, but he was there when I started.

01:21:07Guest:And he wrote me this bellhop sketch where I was like a crazy bellhop doing all this weird stuff, like when you walk in the room and show the people around the room.

01:21:16Guest:Oh, right, right, right, yeah.

01:21:17Guest:And I flubbed this line so hard, and I didn't really know...

01:21:21Guest:that you could just ad lib it and like you know make a funny moment out of it and move on I kind of just panicked and sweated and like just was like go ahead Alibaba say your line say the next line Alibaba did you say that no but in my mind I was like oh

01:21:37Guest:Oh, shit.

01:21:39Guest:I think that would have been funny if I was like, say the next line, Obama.

01:21:41Guest:Never got to laugh.

01:21:42Marc:Right.

01:21:43Guest:I didn't say anything.

01:21:44Guest:So you had to learn on your feet.

01:21:46Guest:Yeah.

01:21:46Guest:Those comedy tricks.

01:21:48Guest:Certain people like James Anderson would come to you with like a deep house dish and then we made that something.

01:21:53Guest:It was like me hosting basically people walking into a talk show.

01:21:57Guest:I'm like, I can do that.

01:22:00Guest:That's the big one, right?

01:22:01Guest:That was my first big one.

01:22:02Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:03Guest:that had like everybody like every musical guest would be able to be in that sketch so that made it like a big deal and that was like my first big deal fucking lady gaga's and like all kinds of people uh-huh madonna and like you know like that was my first like real moment what's up with that that's what i did with tucker that didn't like come up with that until like my seventh season ah and we haven't done it in a long time but i would love to yeah how come what what determines whether or not you get to do that one

01:22:32Guest:Like a lot of the factors left, like one of the main jokes was Lindsey Buckingham is always there and that was played by Bill and he left like two years ago.

01:22:40Guest:Oh, okay.

01:22:41Guest:And then Sudeikis became like an intricate part of it because his dancing behind me became such an awesome thing because he was just awesome.

01:22:49Guest:Yeah.

01:22:49Yeah.

01:22:49Guest:And he's gone and Fred was in it too.

01:22:51Guest:So it was like a big exodus of the show.

01:22:56Guest:And a big part of that sketch that was just kind of like nice little sprinkle pieces.

01:23:00Guest:But you're not, how old are you?

01:23:01Guest:36.

01:23:03Guest:So it's not like you're the old guy at the show.

01:23:05Guest:No, I'm one of the older ones.

01:23:07Guest:Like, the cast is young.

01:23:08Guest:They're youngish.

01:23:09Guest:Right.

01:23:10Guest:But the writers are, like, you know, still, like, you know, normal-aged.

01:23:15Guest:Normal-aged grown-ups?

01:23:16Guest:Yeah.

01:23:18Guest:Normal grown-up-aged.

01:23:19Marc:You're on almost every week now, though.

01:23:22Marc:I mean, you don't sit out now, do you?

01:23:24Guest:No, if I do, it's like, you're really not even just trying, dude.

01:23:29Guest:Like, what the fuck?

01:23:30Marc:You know what I'm saying?

01:23:31Guest:Right.

01:23:31Guest:You get cut all the way out of the show.

01:23:33Guest:For me at this point, not even have one thing.

01:23:36Guest:I was just hiding, basically.

01:23:39Guest:Not even trying.

01:23:40Marc:Right.

01:23:41Marc:It's hard for me to accept that you're just going to go uptown and sit in Lauren's office today.

01:23:49Guest:Yeah, we're going to go up there and wait to be called in, and then we'll go in there for 20 minutes and go round robin around the room.

01:23:56Guest:And then when it's over, it's like, yeah, we clap.

01:23:59Guest:Let's do a good show.

01:24:00Guest:And that's it.

01:24:01Guest:It's just more of a formality, I think.

01:24:03Marc:I need to talk to that guy.

01:24:05Guest:Yeah.

01:24:06Guest:You should call him.

01:24:08Guest:Who came up with Marc Maron 5?

01:24:11Marc:You?

01:24:11Guest:The Marc Maron 5.

01:24:13Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:24:14Guest:Fuck.

01:24:14Guest:It was a game show thing.

01:24:15Marc:Yes.

01:24:16Guest:Marc Maron 5.

01:24:18Guest:I wonder who did that.

01:24:18Guest:I think that might have been my joke.

01:24:20Guest:I'm not bullshitting.

01:24:21Guest:I think that might have been because...

01:24:24Guest:You've been coming across my TV lately.

01:24:26Marc:Oh, yeah?

01:24:27Marc:I was excited.

01:24:28Marc:I was like, okay.

01:24:29Guest:Yeah, was that one of the Steve Harvey joints?

01:24:31Guest:Yeah.

01:24:32Marc:Yeah.

01:24:32Marc:Yeah, I made it.

01:24:34Marc:I'm on SNL.

01:24:35Marc:I made it, buddy.

01:24:36Guest:Dude.

01:24:37Marc:A little fist bump.

01:24:39Guest:I'm going to take credit for that right now just because I'm sitting here.

01:24:42Guest:But if it's not my joke, I'll give it up to whoever.

01:24:45Guest:I think it was because I watch a lot of IFC.

01:24:48Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:24:49Guest:shit, Marc Maron is, like, really blowing the fuck up right now.

01:24:54Guest:Like, I've always watched you.

01:24:57Marc:You know what I'm saying?

01:24:57Guest:Like, you always had, like, stand-up specials and shit.

01:25:00Marc:Yeah, it just was funny because, like, someone's pointed it out to me.

01:25:03Marc:I'm like, holy shit, I made it on SNL.

01:25:06Marc:Finally.

01:25:06Marc:That's awesome.

01:25:07Marc:And then, like, in my mind, I'm like, I pictured Lorne going, oh, I did.

01:25:11Guest:How did that get in there?

01:25:14Guest:You fucking know how, man.

01:25:16Guest:I'm denying.

01:25:17Guest:Why don't you call him?

01:25:18Guest:I call him sometimes.

01:25:19Marc:Hey, it's Mark again for Lorne.

01:25:24Guest:Who?

01:25:26Marc:Yeah, I'm not going to stop calling.

01:25:27Guest:Mark Barron for Lauren.

01:25:28Guest:Yeah, I'm not stopping.

01:25:29Guest:I talked to you yesterday.

01:25:30Guest:Is this Julie?

01:25:31Guest:I talked to you yesterday, Julie.

01:25:33Guest:Isn't her name Lauren?

01:25:36Guest:There's a lot of Laurens up there.

01:25:38Guest:There's more than one Lauren?

01:25:39Guest:Lauren, Lauren.

01:25:40Marc:So who has blown you away when you're just sort of like when they walk in, you're like, oh, my God, outside of Eddie?

01:25:49Marc:Have you had moments where you're like, this isn't happening?

01:25:52Guest:Yeah, I mean, I have that moment a lot because I guess I watch a lot of TV.

01:25:56Guest:So it's mostly the host.

01:25:58Guest:Anytime we walk in and start pitching, it's like, oh, shit, they're really sitting right there.

01:26:02Guest:Like Tom Hanks?

01:26:03Guest:Yeah, or even like Scarlett Johansson.

01:26:05Guest:It's like, shit, there she is.

01:26:08Guest:You know what I'm saying?

01:26:09Guest:I get that.

01:26:09Guest:The real Scarlett Johansson.

01:26:10Guest:Yeah.

01:26:11Guest:Or in my first season, third show, Halle Berry.

01:26:13Guest:It's like, fuck, there's the real Halle Berry.

01:26:16Guest:Did you say that to her?

01:26:17Guest:No, I should have.

01:26:18Guest:Yeah.

01:26:18Guest:But she was nice and whatever.

01:26:20Guest:I was just like, yeah, how's it going?

01:26:23Guest:I think I crawled underneath something.

01:26:25Guest:Yeah.

01:26:26Guest:Yeah, I mean, I have that moment a lot.

01:26:27Guest:As a fan, you've got to have that moment.

01:26:29Marc:I'm a fan of a lot of shit.

01:26:32Marc:I think you should do a Love Boat sketch.

01:26:34Guest:I'm pitching that shit, man.

01:26:36Marc:I think that, like, not just the applause, but go with the, like, let's do the Love Boat.

01:26:40Guest:Full-out Love Boat.

01:26:41Guest:Why not?

01:26:42Guest:With the, like, insane laugh track.

01:26:43Guest:Yeah.

01:26:44Guest:Yeah.

01:26:44Marc:You make the deck of the boat.

01:26:46Marc:Yeah.

01:26:47Guest:I'm Isaac, dude.

01:26:49Guest:Come on, man.

01:26:49Marc:I used him, Ted Lang.

01:26:51Marc:I used him in my show last season.

01:26:53Guest:That's awesome.

01:26:54Guest:How's he doing?

01:26:54Guest:He's all right.

01:26:55Guest:I mean, he's all right.

01:26:57Guest:Well, we had him like...

01:26:58Marc:There's a moment where, like, you know, he's telling me, we're around a campfire or something.

01:27:03Marc:Like, it was out this trailer park where this other guy lives.

01:27:06Marc:And he's like, you know, you're Isaac from the left.

01:27:09Marc:And you can kind of, I don't know if you would have recognized him right away.

01:27:12Marc:Oh, no, no.

01:27:13Marc:No, it's on the thing.

01:27:13Marc:And he goes, okay.

01:27:14Guest:Okay, good.

01:27:15Guest:He does the thing.

01:27:16Guest:Yeah, embrace it, man.

01:27:18Guest:I hate when people try to act like they're not.

01:27:20Guest:They're beyond that?

01:27:21Guest:Part of what they're known for.

01:27:23Marc:TV history?

01:27:24Marc:Yeah.

01:27:25Marc:No, no, he's into it.

01:27:26Marc:He's into it.

01:27:26Marc:He's a real good guy.

01:27:27Marc:He was a good guy.

01:27:28Marc:I like when those dudes are good dudes.

01:27:30Marc:What's his name?

01:27:30Marc:Ted.

01:27:31Marc:Ted Lang.

01:27:32Marc:Yeah.

01:27:33Marc:Interesting.

01:27:34Marc:Yeah.

01:27:35Marc:Now you know.

01:27:36Marc:But in the pitch meeting today, because you said, I was talking to Marc Maron today, Lauren.

01:27:39Marc:Is that cool?

01:27:40Marc:Hey, Lauren, you remember Maron?

01:27:41Marc:Yeah.

01:27:43Guest:Marky Maron?

01:27:45Guest:Yeah, he auditioned in this office.

01:27:46Guest:He had a bad day.

01:27:47Guest:He had a bad day.

01:27:48Guest:Yeah, bad day for him.

01:27:49Guest:Kind of having a bad day afterwards.

01:27:52Marc:Just looking back.

01:27:54Marc:You know what?

01:27:54Marc:I went and watched some of his old comedy.

01:27:57Marc:Yeah.

01:27:57Marc:Have you ever watched it?

01:27:59Guest:Little clips here and there.

01:28:01Guest:It's hard to find.

01:28:02Marc:It's Hart and Lorne Terrific Hour.

01:28:04Guest:Hart and Lorne.

01:28:05Marc:Terrific Hour.

01:28:07Marc:But the other guy's name was Hart.

01:28:08Yeah.

01:28:08Marc:his first name i i i guess so i don't like it you don't like it heart and lauren yeah i watched an episode it was like laughing you know it was like early 70s 1971 so what was the material i'll show you like talking about politicians probably a little bit but it was canadian and like this is not a public uh youtube channel

01:28:38Guest:This is the opening sketch.

01:28:48Guest:Court scene.

01:28:49Guest:I get that.

01:28:49Guest:That's nice.

01:28:52Marc:Where's Lauren?

01:28:52Marc:I want you to see Lauren.

01:28:53Guest:It is quiet for a comedy show.

01:28:56Guest:Well, this is that time, you know?

01:28:58Guest:You could really play out full set-up pieces.

01:29:02Guest:And that lady's sleeping.

01:29:04Guest:She got the biggest laugh in the sketch because she was sleeping.

01:29:07Guest:And she's into it.

01:29:10Guest:Yeah.

01:29:12Guest:Okay.

01:29:12Guest:That's the end of that sketch.

01:29:14Guest:That's what that was.

01:29:15Guest:There he is.

01:29:16Guest:Oh, my God.

01:29:16Guest:Look at that handlebar.

01:29:18Guest:Our next guest is a personal favorite of ours.

01:29:21Guest:We welcome, please, Tom Rush.

01:29:24Guest:What?

01:29:26Guest:Dude, he looks like Sonny Bono.

01:29:30Guest:Here he is again.

01:29:31Guest:With a handlebar.

01:29:32Guest:Good evening.

01:29:33Guest:I'm Lorne Michaels.

01:29:34Guest:And at this point in the show, we'd like to pause for a moment to examine a grave national crisis, one which may have far-reaching effects upon the Canadian way of life.

01:29:42Guest:He looks like Freddie Prinze.

01:29:44Guest:Isn't that trippy?

01:29:45Guest:That's insane.

01:29:47Marc:But he's doing sketch comedy.

01:29:49Guest:82% of all the world's pucks last year were grown... This looks like I guess I know.

01:29:53Guest:Fucking pucks.

01:29:53Guest:Most of them in the fertile lands of the southern Ontario puck belt, in and around Welling.

01:29:58Guest:Fucking crazy.

01:30:02Guest:Last year provided employment for over 22...

01:30:04Guest:Puck farming.

01:30:05Guest:It's so like... It's so like... What's someone call it?

01:30:14Marc:Monty Python?

01:30:14Marc:Naked gun.

01:30:15Marc:It's so dry.

01:30:17Marc:Yeah.

01:30:18Marc:That's fucking Lorne, man.

01:30:20Marc:Isn't that wild?

01:30:21Marc:Can you believe it, dude?

01:30:24Marc:Can you believe that he started out as a performer?

01:30:26Guest:I mean, I knew it.

01:30:27Guest:I guess I'd never seen it.

01:30:28Guest:And I definitely had never seen the mustache.

01:30:32Guest:It's bugging me out.

01:30:33Guest:Because he's like a regular dude.

01:30:35Guest:Yeah.

01:30:36Guest:Who you could see kind of being like, oh, no, this is my party.

01:30:39Guest:And like, you know, thanks for coming.

01:30:41Marc:Already.

01:30:42Marc:Right.

01:30:43Marc:Exactly.

01:30:43Guest:You're like, it's already working.

01:30:45Guest:Thanks for coming.

01:30:46Guest:Like, all of my awesome friends are here.

01:30:48Guest:And welcome.

01:30:49Guest:Have you been to a party at his house or anything?

01:30:51Guest:No.

01:30:52Guest:I went...

01:30:52Guest:We went to a Yankee game or something.

01:30:54Guest:They had me meet him at his house.

01:30:55Guest:It was just his apartment.

01:30:58Guest:It was crazy.

01:30:59Guest:It was a Central Park elevator up to its own floor.

01:31:04Guest:The door of Paul Simon, we share it.

01:31:06Guest:It goes to Paul Simon's house.

01:31:08Marc:He lives right across the hall from Paul Simon?

01:31:10Guest:That's crazy.

01:31:12Marc:Just a couple old Jews up there with their own elevator.

01:31:14Guest:A little kitchen door that they share.

01:31:16Guest:They're buds.

01:31:18Marc:Really cute.

01:31:18Marc:That's sweet.

01:31:19Marc:So you just went to the game with him alone?

01:31:22No.

01:31:22Guest:Yeah, no, he was with a couple other people, but we've gone to several over the years.

01:31:28Marc:Oh.

01:31:28Marc:Yeah.

01:31:29Marc:Well, hopefully I'll meet him again.

01:31:33Marc:Yeah, you'll have your day.

01:31:35Marc:And it was great talking to you.

01:31:36Marc:Me too, man.

01:31:37Marc:So you're not leaving?

01:31:38Marc:No.

01:31:40Marc:Is there anything else going on that I need to know about between us?

01:31:47Guest:No.

01:31:47Guest:I mean, I'm just a focused husband and dad outside of work.

01:31:52Guest:How old's your kid?

01:31:53Guest:Ten months.

01:31:54Guest:And you all live in the apartment?

01:31:56Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:31:56Guest:But we live in Florida throughout the year when we're not working.

01:32:00Marc:How long do you have in Florida for?

01:32:03Guest:I moved there like two years ago.

01:32:05Marc:And how much time do you have down there?

01:32:07Marc:What's the season?

01:32:08Marc:Usually the summers.

01:32:09Marc:It's like school year-ish, October to May.

01:32:11Marc:Up here?

01:32:12Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:32:12Guest:Oh, wow.

01:32:13Guest:How long have you been married?

01:32:14Guest:I've been married three years.

01:32:15Guest:It'll be four in November.

01:32:16Guest:Where'd you meet her?

01:32:18Guest:Up here.

01:32:19Guest:But she grew up in Tampa.

01:32:20Guest:What'd she do?

01:32:21Guest:She was on the radio when I met her, and she modeled for a while, and now she's like interior designer.

01:32:27Marc:Oh, yeah?

01:32:28Guest:She was on Air Personality?

01:32:30Guest:Yeah.

01:32:31Guest:She was on fucking Shade 45 with 50 Cent and all those guys.

01:32:34Guest:Oh, really?

01:32:35Guest:Yeah.

01:32:35Guest:She loved that job.

01:32:37Guest:Why'd she stop?

01:32:38Guest:I think she got harassed or something.

01:32:40Marc:Oh.

01:32:41Marc:Big surprise.

01:32:41Marc:Yeah.

01:32:42Marc:So she had to go?

01:32:43Marc:Yeah.

01:32:44Marc:Big surprise.

01:32:45Marc:Well, good for you, man.

01:32:46Marc:Sounds good.

01:32:47Marc:Sounds like you're living the life.

01:32:48Marc:Trying.

01:32:49Marc:Good talking to you.

01:32:50Marc:You too, dog.

01:32:50Marc:Thanks.

01:32:51Marc:That was wild watching that stuff with him.

01:32:58Marc:Wild.

01:33:00Marc:Whew, God, I gotta get some sleep, man.

01:33:03Marc:I gotta jab a dog in my belly and I just ate half a chocolate bar.

01:33:06Guest:Boomer lives!

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