Episode 599 - Parker Posey

Episode 599 • Released May 3, 2015 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Marc:all right let's do this how are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the fucking ears what the fucksters what the fuckaholics what the fuckadelics

00:00:16Marc:What the fuck will Barry Fins?

00:00:18Marc:What's happening?

00:00:19Marc:It's me, Mark Maron.

00:00:21Marc:I am in New York City as I record this in my hotel room.

00:00:25Marc:What am I doing in New York, you'll ask?

00:00:26Marc:Why didn't we know this before?

00:00:28Marc:Why don't we know things about you, Mark?

00:00:30Marc:You tell us everything.

00:00:31Marc:I don't understand why we don't know exactly what you're doing and when you're doing it and where you're doing it and why.

00:00:39Marc:I am in New York.

00:00:39Marc:I came out here.

00:00:41Marc:I'm in between tour dates.

00:00:43Marc:I will be in Seattle at the Neptune Theater this Friday for two shows.

00:00:47Marc:I'll be in Vancouver at the Vogue for one show on Saturday.

00:00:52Marc:Saturday the 10th in San Francisco at Davies Symphony Hall on the 11th on Mother's Day.

00:00:57Marc:Bring your moms.

00:00:58Marc:It's a mom-friendly show, that show.

00:01:01Marc:That's my next comedy special, Mom Friendly.

00:01:05Marc:So that's happening.

00:01:06Marc:So I came to New York primarily for the upfronts for Vice.

00:01:11Marc:Vice, the magazine and online content provider of Mayhem, and also they have a new show on HBO, are going to have a channel.

00:01:24Marc:And I am doing a show on that channel, on the Vice channel.

00:01:28Marc:I will be doing a thing called Vice Portraits with Marc Maron.

00:01:32Marc:This will be an interview format show, but out in the world.

00:01:36Marc:I'm going to go out in the world to talk to people in environments that mean something to them, something or something out of their comfort zone.

00:01:43Marc:But it will be candid conversations with creative people and interesting people the way I do it.

00:01:51Marc:We'll be setting up that show.

00:01:53Marc:I think every episode we will explore my various methods of preparation, which have nothing to do with preparation.

00:02:00Marc:So that's happening.

00:02:01Marc:I don't know what channel it will be.

00:02:02Marc:I don't know when it will start.

00:02:05Marc:But that is happening.

00:02:06Marc:But...

00:02:07Marc:Marin on IFC returns to the cable airwaves on May 14th.

00:02:13Marc:And I've encouraged some of you who are not radical cord cutters.

00:02:17Marc:And I'm sorry to offend any of you who take your cord cutting disposition as an emblem of your righteous fuck you demeanor.

00:02:26Marc:Did not mean to push any buttons.

00:02:28Marc:I guess I keep cable by default because I don't think I'd watch anything if I didn't occasionally sit on my couch and try to figure out how to watch on-demand shows, which is still baffling to me.

00:02:41Marc:I don't know what channels I have.

00:02:42Marc:I'm very frustrated with my cable box.

00:02:44Marc:I'm about to call Time Warner and tell them to shove it up their giant mechanical asshole because it takes a lot of time for me to switch channels and it seems to be making weird noises.

00:02:55Marc:Is there any reason to complain about this publicly?

00:02:57Marc:Not really.

00:02:58Marc:Look, I'm frustrated with cable too, but the point is...

00:03:00Marc:is that sometimes we have to respect these arcane methods, these ancient systems, these decaying mechanical paradigms in order to garner the attention necessary to continue doing something within that paradigm as it slowly deflates and loses its wind and gasps away as the other thing moves full force into the future.

00:03:24Marc:Well, I guess what I'm saying rather poetically and probably not in the best way possible is that if you could get IFC for the airing of my show, that would be helpful in the ratings game, which still matters to people in that game.

00:03:38Marc:So May 14th, get IFC for a couple of months or at least find out if you have it.

00:03:44Marc:Or you can wait a year until it goes on Netflix or you can get it on iTunes.

00:03:47Marc:A lot of ways to get it.

00:03:49Marc:Or you can DVR.

00:03:49Marc:That's fine.

00:03:50Marc:Look, I'm just saying I'm excited about the show.

00:03:53Marc:I know that's not what came out, but I'm excited about the show.

00:03:56Marc:I think this season is the best season we've done.

00:03:58Marc:I think the stories are good.

00:03:59Marc:They're funny.

00:04:00Marc:They're interesting.

00:04:01Marc:I think I'm better.

00:04:02Marc:I'm no Olivier, but I think by the third season here, I've got the hang of being me on TV.

00:04:09Marc:So enjoy.

00:04:10Marc:Enjoy Marin on IFC.

00:04:12Marc:The first episode co-stars Constance Zimmer, Elliot Gould, Alex Rocco,

00:04:18Marc:And also the lovely Lucy Davis, who plays my manager this season.

00:04:24Marc:Very exciting.

00:04:25Marc:I'm excited for you to enjoy them.

00:04:27Marc:So that's the big plug on that front.

00:04:30Marc:I just have a lot of things going on.

00:04:32Marc:And obviously I'm on the road.

00:04:34Marc:And obviously I'm in a hotel room.

00:04:35Marc:And obviously I'm not eating well.

00:04:37Marc:And obviously I don't know if I have allergies or cancer.

00:04:39Marc:And obviously there are problems.

00:04:41Marc:But did I mention Parker Posey is on the show today?

00:04:44Marc:the lovely and amazing indie film goddess, great actress, incredible dynamic person, came over here to my temporary studio in my hotel room to talk to me.

00:05:00Marc:That's always a little awkward.

00:05:02Marc:Yeah, I'm doing interviews.

00:05:03Marc:Coming up to the hotel room.

00:05:04Marc:Yeah, it's not even a suite.

00:05:05Marc:We're just basically in my bedroom sitting at a little table.

00:05:08Marc:She brought her doggie who peed.

00:05:13Marc:You'll hear that, I believe.

00:05:15Marc:Her dog peed twice in my hotel room.

00:05:17Marc:I guess I better not mention the name of the hotel because that might not be a good thing for me.

00:05:20Marc:She somehow trained it to pee on Kleenex.

00:05:25Marc:That worked once.

00:05:27Marc:Then the other one was...

00:05:29Marc:Yeah, maybe I should keep it to myself.

00:05:30Marc:So what have I been doing?

00:05:32Marc:I mean, you know I'm on tour.

00:05:33Marc:And we added a bunch of dates.

00:05:35Marc:So you can go to wtfpod.com slash calendar.

00:05:38Marc:Because the dates I've got coming up, obviously Seattle and Vancouver this Saturday, May 9th.

00:05:46Marc:And May 10th at the Symphony Hall in San Francisco.

00:05:49Marc:But May 14th, I'm at the Asheville, North Carolina at the Orange Peel.

00:05:53Marc:And May 15th, I'm in Charleston at the Charleston Music Hall.

00:05:56Marc:And May 16th, I'm at the Variety Playhouse in Atlanta.

00:05:59Marc:May 17th, I'm at the Joy Theater in New Orleans.

00:06:02Marc:June 5th, the Playhouse Square in Cleveland.

00:06:04Marc:I had a bunch of shows.

00:06:06Marc:In Chicago, I'm doing two shows at the Vic Theater on June 6th.

00:06:09Marc:June 7th, I'm in Minneapolis at Pantages.

00:06:12Marc:June 25th, at the Capitol Theater in Port Chester, New York.

00:06:14Marc:June 26th.

00:06:16Marc:At the BAM Opera House in Brooklyn, New York, June 27th, the Paramount Theater, Huntington, New York.

00:06:21Marc:June 28th, Count Basie Theater, Red Bank, New Jersey.

00:06:24Marc:July 10th, Aladdin Theater, Portland, Oregon.

00:06:26Marc:July 11th, Revolution Hall in Portland, Oregon.

00:06:29Marc:July 24th, Boulder Theater, Boulder, Colorado.

00:06:31Marc:July 25th, Paramount Theater in Denver, Colorado.

00:06:34Marc:So if I named your city, go to wtfpod.com slash calendar and get your tickies.

00:06:41Marc:Get your tickets.

00:06:42Marc:Goddamn, that's a long tour.

00:06:44Marc:What am I doing here on Wednesday?

00:06:46Marc:I'm interviewing Terry Gross, the host of NPR's Fresh Air, live in front of an audience at an event at the Brooklyn Academy of Music at the BAM Opera House.

00:06:56Marc:That's for the Radio Love Fest.

00:06:58Marc:That's this Wednesday.

00:07:00Marc:Okay?

00:07:01Marc:All right?

00:07:02Marc:Yes, I'm going to talk to the amazing interviewer herself, the world-renowned Terry Gross.

00:07:07Marc:We're going interviewer to interviewer, head to head.

00:07:10Marc:So here's what I learned, and here's what I'm learning as I get older, is that...

00:07:14Marc:As I get older, I don't know if I am more mature or if I'm maturing or if I'm getting more mature or I'm just getting tired.

00:07:27Marc:I think it might be tired.

00:07:28Marc:I don't know if I'm getting wiser or I'm just not remembering as much as I used to.

00:07:32Marc:There's a fine line between maturity and exhaustion.

00:07:35Marc:as you get older and wisdom.

00:07:37Marc:And just, um, I, I don't, I, I don't really remember.

00:07:42Marc:And I, I feel okay about that.

00:07:43Marc:I'm not carrying that with me anymore.

00:07:45Marc:I've relieved myself of that burden of that memory involuntarily as my brain flickers off as the, uh, as the years keep stacking up certain areas of the brain, the lights are going out.

00:08:01Marc:We're turning off that marquee.

00:08:03Marc:we're turning off the fuck you dad marquee that show is uh it's not running anymore we close that show we close the uh why mom uh that that show ran for 50 years uh and it was very popular with an audience of one the bad part of me and that we've had to close that show down too and i have no problem with that i don't know if that's wisdom but uh

00:08:27Marc:It's a little better.

00:08:28Marc:It's a little better.

00:08:29Marc:So I'm here.

00:08:30Marc:I'm in New York.

00:08:31Marc:And I'm spending time with the few friends that I have.

00:08:33Marc:That I've had for many years.

00:08:35Marc:I find that's important to do.

00:08:38Marc:You know, Louie's out of town.

00:08:39Marc:So I missed him.

00:08:41Marc:But like I went and saw my buddy John Daniel.

00:08:43Marc:We go back.

00:08:44Marc:He's in the music business.

00:08:45Marc:He spent an hour with him.

00:08:47Marc:Got caught up.

00:08:48Marc:Talked about his business.

00:08:49Marc:I talked about my business.

00:08:50Marc:We ate.

00:08:51Marc:We said like, you look good.

00:08:53Marc:Your health okay?

00:08:54Marc:Yeah, my health's okay.

00:08:55Marc:Everybody in your family okay?

00:08:56Marc:Yeah, everything's okay.

00:08:57Marc:All right, well, it's good to see you.

00:08:59Marc:Feels good.

00:09:00Marc:That's what you do with old friends.

00:09:02Marc:Sometimes that's all you can do, and that's enough.

00:09:05Marc:You're not going to catch up on everything.

00:09:07Marc:You're not in the loop of their lives, but you can certainly check in and say, I love you, buddy.

00:09:10Marc:Went up to my buddy Sam Lipsight's house, the genius novelist.

00:09:14Marc:Checked in with him, hung out, worked through some sadness, told him some stuff in my life.

00:09:19Marc:He told me some stuff in his.

00:09:21Marc:We had a range of emotions.

00:09:22Marc:We spent a couple hours together.

00:09:24Marc:I saw his kids, saw his wife, Karidwin.

00:09:28Marc:Very pleasant time.

00:09:29Marc:Spent three hours in the apartment, just hanging out, snacking, having a coffee, getting up, sitting down, having a hug, you know, maybe having a few welling up of the eyes.

00:09:40Marc:And then we took a little walk.

00:09:41Marc:See you later, buddy.

00:09:43Marc:Good friend.

00:09:43Marc:Love you.

00:09:44Marc:We checked in.

00:09:45Marc:That's good.

00:09:46Marc:Once or twice a year.

00:09:47Marc:Got to do it.

00:09:48Marc:Got to do it if we're not going to be traveling together.

00:09:50Marc:If we're not backpacking, got to check in.

00:09:52Marc:Just took a walk with Todd Berry, which was just like the old times.

00:09:56Marc:I don't know if you guys remember this.

00:09:58Marc:Why would you?

00:10:00Marc:Many years ago, me and Todd were sort of in the same boat.

00:10:03Marc:He's one of my favorite comics, and he's a good old friend of mine.

00:10:06Marc:But, you know, a lot of the other guys, like Louie and Nick DiPaolo, Jeff Ross, who was then Jeff Lifshultz, people, a lot of those people were working all the clubs, and Todd and I were sort of limited to one club, but hang around clubs.

00:10:18Marc:But we'd spend a lot of days just walking around the village, talking about shit, talking about comics, talking about clothes,

00:10:26Marc:talking about money talking about where we live just talking like a couple of dudes talking that's part of our job so today you know i ran into you know todd last night briefly and then today he called me up you want to have coffee so we had coffee then we had some chinese food then we walked around soho then i got some ice cream which i don't feel great about though todd didn't eat ice cream it's been a few hours with todd catching up doing what we used to do like old buddies

00:10:50Marc:And you know what?

00:10:51Marc:Didn't miss a beat.

00:10:52Marc:Didn't seem any different than it ever did.

00:10:54Marc:Never any tension with your true old friends.

00:10:57Marc:And that's what I'm doing in New York.

00:10:59Marc:That and some work.

00:11:03Marc:So now, let's enjoy my chat with the lovely Parker Posey, who you may know from any number of movies.

00:11:12Marc:Do you need credits?

00:11:13Marc:Would that help you place her?

00:11:15Marc:If some of you were like, Parker who?

00:11:16Marc:I mean, I would hope that's not the case.

00:11:19Marc:so many waiting for guffman henry fool she was in best in show clock watchers party girl wow cone heads dazed and confused way back she's amazing and she's in my hotel room so enjoy this

00:11:40Marc:so what um oh gracie what's she doing now she just pitted oh she just peed on the rug here that's okay hold on do you want to hold my mic yeah go ahead

00:12:03Marc:I'm not concerned about the pee on the rug.

00:12:05Marc:Are you?

00:12:06Marc:I guess I have a different relationship with hotels.

00:12:13Marc:That's an 11-year-old dog.

00:12:15Guest:Yeah.

00:12:15Guest:Yeah, her name is Gracie.

00:12:17Guest:She should be a Bichon Poodle Maltese.

00:12:19Guest:She's 11.

00:12:20Guest:She's very smart.

00:12:21Marc:Is that your longest relationship to date?

00:12:26Guest:Yes.

00:12:28Guest:What about you?

00:12:29Guest:What's your longest relationship?

00:12:32Marc:I don't know.

00:12:34Guest:I think people used to not live so long.

00:12:37Marc:oh so that's it yeah it's one of the things you know do you believe in karma kind of that you're gonna like you're here to kind of live through all your stories through various people oh my god again different lifetimes it kind of makes sense but if this is the one i'm living now i can't imagine how shitty the other one must have been like i mean how like do we get it right and do are we aware when we know when we nail it i don't know but you believe it

00:13:02Guest:It makes the most sense to me.

00:13:06Marc:My longest relationship was probably eight years.

00:13:08Guest:Yeah.

00:13:09Marc:Eight.

00:13:10Guest:That's big.

00:13:10Guest:That was in your 20s?

00:13:12Marc:I don't know.

00:13:12Guest:I had a five year, a three year, a two year.

00:13:16Guest:Yeah.

00:13:17Marc:And now I wonder what the point of it is.

00:13:20Guest:Yeah, now it's just devastation.

00:13:22Guest:Now it's just bad theater.

00:13:24Marc:Bad theater of two people trying to act like they're doing something differently.

00:13:28Marc:That's how it's bad theater.

00:13:29Marc:It's like, I don't do this anymore.

00:13:30Marc:I'm not this person anymore.

00:13:32Marc:I'm better.

00:13:33Guest:Yeah, I don't understand this.

00:13:35Guest:Either you connect with someone or you're pretending something else.

00:13:41Marc:Right, or you're waiting for it.

00:13:42Marc:Maybe it'll kick in.

00:13:44Marc:You ever do that one?

00:13:45Marc:It's going to kick in pretty soon.

00:13:47Marc:They like me a lot.

00:13:48Marc:I think this is going to kick in.

00:13:49Marc:Any minute, I'm going to feel like they feel.

00:13:51Marc:I've done that one.

00:13:52Marc:I've done real intense ones that just get crazy.

00:13:54Guest:I've had like three.

00:13:55Guest:The last three encounters.

00:13:59Marc:Oh, really?

00:14:00Guest:Yeah, that's what my therapist calls relationships.

00:14:03Guest:He doesn't call them relationships because it's too heavy.

00:14:05Guest:It's too loaded.

00:14:06Guest:So you knew their names.

00:14:07Guest:You encounter someone.

00:14:08Guest:I didn't know their names.

00:14:09Guest:No.

00:14:11Guest:So you encounter someone, and if you have a true encounter, it's a real connection.

00:14:18Guest:But if you're dating, doesn't dating sound so fabricated and phony?

00:14:23Guest:Does it even happen anymore?

00:14:25Marc:I don't fucking know what that is.

00:14:26Guest:I don't date.

00:14:27Marc:Have you had this moment where you're like, oh, I don't have to put up with this shit?

00:14:31Guest:oh yeah yeah i'm i'm not that see i i'm a curious person and i i have a hard time saying no yeah so in the past few months um i've been uh asked out on a date by men in their 70s wow yeah like i was at a gala a few nights ago a gala for what no it was last it was last week at ps122 oh for a thing i

00:14:55Guest:Yeah, and one of the board members said, hey, there's a man here.

00:14:59Guest:He really wants to meet you, and he was really excited that you were here.

00:15:03Guest:And then I meet him, and he has two grown daughters.

00:15:07Guest:So he says, can I take you out to lunch?

00:15:11Guest:And I couldn't say, like, no, I don't eat lunch.

00:15:15Marc:Right, I'm against lunch.

00:15:18Marc:It's insane.

00:15:18Guest:I was like, sure, and this could be interesting.

00:15:23Guest:So I gave him my email, and I didn't give him a fake email.

00:15:27Guest:But who was this guy?

00:15:29Guest:Was he a legit guy?

00:15:30Guest:He emailed me right away.

00:15:32Marc:Of course, as you were walking away.

00:15:34Guest:as he was um yeah as he was in the cab uh-huh um and what was this guy was he an artiste was he a an entrepreneur was he a philanthropist yeah he's a philanthropist uh-huh um and then uh so yeah the older guys and this one man i was i was i had a few dates with gracie's just making a bed right now that's what she's doing and she digs like that okay she's not burying something on my bed

00:16:02Guest:No.

00:16:04Guest:Okay, so you go out with this.

00:16:05Marc:How old is he?

00:16:05Marc:90?

00:16:06Guest:I was dating a 60-year-old like a year ago.

00:16:09Marc:Well, that's not so horrible.

00:16:10Guest:How old are you?

00:16:10Guest:46.

00:16:11Marc:I'm 51.

00:16:12Guest:I liked it.

00:16:13Guest:You did?

00:16:13Marc:What about it?

00:16:15Guest:He was mature.

00:16:16Guest:And he was... That's okay.

00:16:20Marc:I would hope so at 60.

00:16:22Guest:You know what?

00:16:23Guest:Actually, he was really immature.

00:16:24Marc:Immature?

00:16:25Guest:Yeah, but he was experienced, I should say.

00:16:27Guest:And he was fascinating.

00:16:29Marc:What was he, an artiste?

00:16:31Guest:He was a writer.

00:16:31Marc:A writer?

00:16:32Marc:A known writer?

00:16:34Guest:Yeah, yeah, I think so.

00:16:36Guest:I think so, yeah.

00:16:38Guest:And it was fun.

00:16:38Guest:How long did you go out with that guy, the 60-year-old?

00:16:40Guest:I was on and off for a year, a year and a half.

00:16:45Guest:And then it kind of fizzled.

00:16:48Guest:And that's what he was like, it's just going to be devastation, Parker.

00:16:52Marc:Really?

00:16:53Guest:Yeah.

00:16:54Marc:For him?

00:16:54Guest:Yeah.

00:16:55Guest:However this turns out, we're just going to be devastated.

00:16:59Guest:And I'm like, well, come on.

00:17:00Guest:We've got to ride this out.

00:17:01Guest:We care about each other.

00:17:04Guest:We love each other.

00:17:04Guest:And you can't just destroy something in front of me.

00:17:11Guest:He was afraid.

00:17:13Guest:He's still connected.

00:17:14Guest:He's very afraid.

00:17:15Guest:He's very masculine.

00:17:16Guest:And like a minotaur.

00:17:19Guest:He's a minotaur.

00:17:20Marc:Right.

00:17:20Guest:um a rugged old uh alpha male yeah yeah yeah and just blew through his his life like yeah like on fire trying to avoid the the crash of heartbreak emptiness yeah but you were going to bring it out in him he decided i did obviously crushed him

00:17:40Marc:he'll get a book out of it maybe yeah maybe he needed it sure that's it you were a muse a pain muse that's what you are I was a muse I died a thousand times and he watched me and I just don't you know you get to a point where it's like what are we doing is it just what is it about

00:17:57Marc:Is it about sex?

00:17:59Marc:Is it about, you know, are we being honest with ourselves?

00:18:02Marc:What's happening?

00:18:02Guest:I think it's about evolving.

00:18:03Guest:Yeah.

00:18:04Guest:And in a partnership.

00:18:06Marc:Yeah.

00:18:06Guest:I mean, I think a true partnership should be creative and alive.

00:18:11Guest:And when it's dead, it's over.

00:18:13Marc:And have you had those?

00:18:14Guest:There's a deadliness.

00:18:16Marc:Right.

00:18:16Marc:Well, does that come from living with each other?

00:18:18Marc:Like the deadliness?

00:18:19Guest:Maybe.

00:18:19Guest:Have you done that?

00:18:21Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:18:22Marc:How's that work for you?

00:18:23Guest:You know, I'm such a nurturer, a caretaker.

00:18:25Guest:Really?

00:18:26Guest:I love to cook.

00:18:27Guest:I love to make house.

00:18:29Guest:Oh, yeah?

00:18:29Marc:Have you taken strays?

00:18:30Marc:Stray humans?

00:18:32Guest:Yeah.

00:18:34Guest:I like that.

00:18:36Guest:I'm kind of a hippie mama.

00:18:38Guest:Yeah?

00:18:38Guest:I have a place upstate.

00:18:40Guest:You do?

00:18:40Guest:Yeah, it's an old farmhouse.

00:18:42Guest:And bless you.

00:18:44Guest:She's coughing now.

00:18:45Guest:Get it out.

00:18:46Marc:I think she's all right.

00:18:49Guest:Yeah, she's good.

00:18:50Marc:So you go upstate and you hang out and you cook?

00:18:52Guest:Now I have to, yeah, I've been renting it though because I can't afford it anymore because, you know, nothing pays anymore unless you get a big TV show.

00:19:01Marc:So I've been renting.

00:19:02Marc:You've been working on, you've never stopped working.

00:19:04Guest:Yeah, that's right.

00:19:05Guest:That's right.

00:19:06Guest:But I'm not in that high caliber of...

00:19:11Guest:I don't make millions of dollars at all.

00:19:16Marc:Does that upset you?

00:19:20Marc:What million dollar role would you like to do?

00:19:25Marc:You see yourself as a leading lady.

00:19:27Marc:Would you like to be a superhero?

00:19:30Guest:Yeah, that all sounds like fun.

00:19:33Guest:There's only roles for superheroes now.

00:19:37Guest:I know, I know.

00:19:39Guest:I could be like a scientist in one of those shows.

00:19:42Marc:Or villain maybe?

00:19:43Marc:Could you be a villain?

00:19:44Guest:I could be a villain.

00:19:46Guest:Sure.

00:19:46Guest:Maybe in the Furious 7 or whatever.

00:19:49Guest:Whatever they are.

00:19:50Guest:What about me in that?

00:19:51Guest:Sure.

00:19:52Guest:I could fit right in.

00:19:53Marc:The Avengers, you're the lady who made the thing.

00:19:56Guest:Yeah.

00:19:56Marc:Dr. So-and-so.

00:19:58Guest:Yeah.

00:19:58Guest:Some psychic lady that comes out of nowhere from the Matrix.

00:20:02Marc:Right.

00:20:03Guest:And knows everything.

00:20:03Guest:And just give me some money.

00:20:05Guest:Yeah.

00:20:05Guest:You'll do it.

00:20:06Guest:And knows everything.

00:20:09Guest:Why can't those movies be more fun or just funny?

00:20:13Guest:Don't watch them.

00:20:14Guest:I haven't seen them.

00:20:15Guest:I know.

00:20:15Guest:Well, I went into one of them just to see when I was on location.

00:20:20Guest:To read for them?

00:20:20Guest:No, no.

00:20:22Guest:I'm not the kind of woman that's in those movies.

00:20:25Guest:I'm too old, first of all.

00:20:26Guest:But I think I could fit into one of those.

00:20:30Marc:But you got no problem with TV.

00:20:31Marc:You've done a lot of TV.

00:20:32Guest:No, I don't.

00:20:33Guest:But what I was going to say is like in those scary movies, in these horror movies, don't you think everyone could be having a lot more fun?

00:20:40Marc:I think they should have more fun to make their death even more amazing.

00:20:46Marc:They all seem to know it's coming.

00:20:48Guest:Yeah, and they're really cool about it.

00:20:49Guest:And this insane thing is happening around them.

00:20:52Marc:Well, they're stupid, you know, if you really look at the reality frame.

00:20:55Guest:That's what I think, too, which is really funny.

00:20:58Guest:It's really funny.

00:20:59Guest:I was in Scream 3, and that was what I was talking to Wes Craven about.

00:21:03Guest:I was like, yeah, why are these people in this world?

00:21:07Guest:What did he say?

00:21:08Guest:Like, they have to be crazy, you know, or they would just leave.

00:21:12Guest:And I know that's like...

00:21:14Guest:It's a crazy thing to say.

00:21:16Guest:He laughed.

00:21:17Marc:He laughed.

00:21:17Marc:He's like, this is a horror movie.

00:21:19Marc:What do you think you're doing?

00:21:20Guest:And so it was fun to kind of play with the genre of that.

00:21:24Guest:Because it's fun being scared.

00:21:26Guest:And if there's someone chasing you wearing a mask, you're going to be screaming and maybe laughing and like...

00:21:31Guest:dealing with it like oh my god I'm about to die and like holding on to whoever's in front of you and like I don't see that passion you know in those movies and I would love that and I think other people would love that too it seems hackneyed now they just sort of know it's coming and they blasé and kind of

00:21:47Guest:But there's no like, I'm dying and it's great.

00:21:51Guest:I'm dying.

00:21:52Guest:I love you.

00:21:52Guest:I'm going to miss you.

00:21:54Guest:What's on the other side?

00:21:55Guest:Where are my parents?

00:21:57Marc:Say goodbye to them for me.

00:21:58Guest:I forgive you.

00:21:58Marc:Yeah, that's true.

00:22:00Marc:The one thing you don't see is the sad, desperate humiliation of those moments.

00:22:07Marc:That would be really terrifying.

00:22:08Marc:You can't play that shit real in those movies where the sort of begging and pleading in a real way and the horrendous fear of knowing that shit.

00:22:17Marc:Horrible.

00:22:18Guest:Yeah, the paradox, too, is that there'd really be no way to make sense of it besides other movies that you've seen.

00:22:25Guest:Do you know what I mean?

00:22:27Guest:Like, I broke my wrist last year, and I just kept thinking of Agent Brody in Homeland, and it just kept, you know, and it was a really bad break, and I'd have wrist surgery, and I'd have, like, pins in my wrist.

00:22:38Guest:And I just had this loop, and I felt like I was being...

00:22:42Guest:you know, tortured.

00:22:44Guest:I talked to her.

00:22:44Guest:And that I was in Homeland.

00:22:46Guest:Yes, I heard that.

00:22:47Guest:She was great.

00:22:47Guest:That was a great interview.

00:22:48Marc:She's a very earnest person.

00:22:50Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:22:51Guest:She's a serious actress.

00:22:52Guest:She's a very serious person.

00:22:53Guest:Yeah, she's major.

00:22:54Guest:Yeah, it was kind of intense.

00:22:55Guest:You know, I saw her right before, yeah, I saw her right before she did that show.

00:22:59Guest:Her intensity struck me, you know?

00:23:03Guest:And then so when I saw that she was in the show and she was working for the CIA, I was like, wow, she really carries that.

00:23:09Guest:That she's meant to be right there and play that part.

00:23:13Guest:But not, I don't know, any other actress who could do that successfully.

00:23:19Guest:It's...

00:23:19Marc:Well, she's a very controlled person.

00:23:24Marc:She's very intense.

00:23:25Marc:She runs a tight ship with her vessel, I believe.

00:23:29Guest:She's out there.

00:23:30Guest:The stakes are really high.

00:23:32Guest:How did that happen?

00:23:33Guest:I love that.

00:23:34Guest:How do you explain that in people?

00:23:35Guest:Their velocities, their capacities.

00:23:37Marc:How do you?

00:23:38Marc:What do you say about yourself?

00:23:40Marc:If someone were to say, hey, Parker, what velocity are you operating at?

00:23:45Guest:Are you falling all the time?

00:23:47Guest:I'm one of those, like, I think everything forms and shapes you before you're, you know, six years old and you just keep.

00:23:54Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:23:55Marc:Well, what happened then?

00:23:56Marc:Like, where'd you where'd you come from?

00:23:58Marc:What's the source of Parker Posey?

00:24:00Marc:Where did it start?

00:24:01Guest:Um, I'm from Louisiana.

00:24:04Guest:I was born in Baltimore, Maryland.

00:24:06Guest:My dad was stationed in Vietnam.

00:24:08Guest:He was stationed in Baltimore there.

00:24:09Guest:He was drafted.

00:24:10Marc:Did he go to Vietnam?

00:24:11Guest:Yeah.

00:24:12Guest:So he was gone for the first two years.

00:24:14Guest:Really?

00:24:15Guest:Yeah.

00:24:15Guest:So that, that made me very, you know, what did he come out with?

00:24:19Marc:How was he?

00:24:20Guest:um see all right this the the pictures of him from vietnam um he's holding a martini you know he's out in the jungle there no they're in the office you know in the in the in uh they're drinking right so not a not a necklace of ears a martini he got shot at um through and a bullet went through his helmet

00:24:43Marc:Oh, God.

00:24:44Guest:And what struck him was how personal he took it.

00:24:49Guest:And he thought, why would anyone want to shoot me?

00:24:52Guest:Me.

00:24:53Guest:Huh.

00:24:53Guest:And when you think of that, it's like, we're so insane.

00:24:58Guest:I can't believe we're still doing it.

00:25:01Marc:Well, we're doing it.

00:25:01Guest:We're people here.

00:25:02Guest:Yeah.

00:25:04Guest:The obvious thing, we're people here.

00:25:05Marc:We're doing it from the sky with less men on the ground now.

00:25:08Guest:Yeah.

00:25:09Marc:It's a little more impersonal and horrific.

00:25:12Mm-hmm.

00:25:12Marc:But that is interesting because, you know, you're in the army, whether you got drafted or not, you're in the forces and you're part of this team that's supposed to be defending something.

00:25:20Marc:And it's seen generally by the military and by the people at large as the army, not as that guy.

00:25:26Marc:That's right.

00:25:27Marc:But if you're that guy, why wouldn't you take it personally?

00:25:29Guest:That's right.

00:25:30Guest:Yeah.

00:25:32Marc:But he came out mentally okay?

00:25:33Guest:Yeah.

00:25:34Guest:No, he suffered from PTSD, I think, later in his life.

00:25:37Guest:Oh, really?

00:25:37Guest:And he has prostate cancer now.

00:25:40Guest:But he's a really funny, you know, I describe him as a comedian without a venue.

00:25:45Guest:He's like, he could walk out on stage and have a show.

00:25:49Guest:He's hysterical.

00:25:51Marc:So you're close to him still?

00:25:53Guest:He's the center of attention.

00:25:54Marc:Yeah.

00:25:54Marc:Are they still together?

00:25:56Guest:Yes.

00:25:57Marc:Wow.

00:25:57Guest:Yeah.

00:25:57Marc:So you come from that stability.

00:25:59Guest:or that commitment that loyalty i think it's called like their crazy dance yeah and you know they're uh they're yeah it is a compatibility um yeah they're still together and they're tight i have a twin brother

00:26:18Guest:identical no does that happen no with boys and girls no what's the other kind called uh fraternal yeah so there were two separate eggs right hanging out together yeah and so my uh my mom thinks that i was conceived later than my brother like a few minutes um there's a quick turnaround on that one let's go

00:26:41Guest:I'd say maybe a few weeks.

00:26:45Guest:I don't know.

00:26:45Guest:Is that possible?

00:26:47Guest:Does that happen?

00:26:47Guest:Yeah, it can.

00:26:49Guest:It's like a cat.

00:26:52Marc:Cats can have like a few different kittens from several different fathers just in the same litter.

00:26:56Guest:That's right.

00:26:57Marc:I didn't know humans could do that.

00:26:58Marc:Is that her theory or is that...

00:27:00Guest:Yeah, that's what she thinks because I was so premature.

00:27:03Guest:We were both premature.

00:27:04Guest:Like how premature?

00:27:06Guest:Six weeks.

00:27:07Guest:So I was only like two and a half pounds.

00:27:10Guest:Oh, my God.

00:27:11Guest:Were you in the incubator?

00:27:12Guest:Yeah, for six weeks of my life.

00:27:16Guest:And my brother was five pounds.

00:27:21Guest:I was two and a half pounds.

00:27:21Guest:So I was a preemie.

00:27:23Marc:So that's her theory.

00:27:25Guest:I was very, very tiny.

00:27:26Guest:So I was born fighting for my life.

00:27:29Guest:And the doctors didn't think I was going to live.

00:27:31Guest:And, you know, there's a big drama to the story that I heard every year of we need a name for the death certificate.

00:27:39Guest:What do you want to.

00:27:40Guest:That was the family story.

00:27:41Guest:Yeah.

00:27:42Guest:Just in case.

00:27:42Guest:Yeah.

00:27:43Guest:And so they named me Parker and my middle name Christian because they asked for the help of Jesus.

00:27:49Guest:And I was raised Catholic.

00:27:52Guest:Well, maybe Jesus stepped in.

00:27:53Guest:I think he did.

00:27:54Yeah.

00:27:55Guest:And my dad, according to my dad, who was holding a six-pack of beer, you know, stationed in Baltimore, Maryland, he looks down at a beer can, and he looks at me in the incubator, and he's on his knees, you know, praying, and he's like...

00:28:11Guest:My daughter is the size of this beer can.

00:28:15Guest:Please, Jesus.

00:28:17Guest:Please, Jesus.

00:28:19Guest:Let my baby live.

00:28:21Guest:And then I screamed.

00:28:23Guest:And that's the story.

00:28:24Guest:That's the story?

00:28:24Guest:It's very dramatic, yeah.

00:28:25Guest:That's good.

00:28:26Guest:Yeah, it's good, right?

00:28:27Guest:It's a real... My daughter, she's a beer can on legs.

00:28:31Marc:Yeah.

00:28:31Guest:And I'd be like, what are you talking about?

00:28:33Guest:And he was like telling this story.

00:28:34Guest:I'm like, that's so funny, you know?

00:28:37Guest:But he like made up stories.

00:28:39Guest:Like he, when my brother and I were in kindergarten, my brother raised his hand and the teacher asked what our parents did for work.

00:28:49Guest:And my brother said, my dad was an Indian 100 years ago.

00:28:53Guest:That was one of the stories that my dad, but maybe he was.

00:28:56Marc:An Indian.

00:28:57Guest:Indian, yeah.

00:28:57Guest:American Indian.

00:28:59Guest:But he wasn't.

00:29:00Marc:I don't know.

00:29:00Guest:Maybe he was.

00:29:01Guest:Who knows?

00:29:02Marc:But we talked about karma.

00:29:02Marc:Do you believe that the past life thing too?

00:29:04Guest:Yeah, sure.

00:29:05Guest:Why not?

00:29:05Guest:I think it's fun.

00:29:06Marc:Well, it's fun, but do you believe it?

00:29:08Guest:Why not?

00:29:09Guest:I'm entertaining the idea.

00:29:11Guest:I'm entertaining the idea.

00:29:12Guest:It's like, I'm not going to like stand up and like, I believe this.

00:29:16Guest:I like to.

00:29:17Marc:Sure.

00:29:17Marc:Why not?

00:29:17Guest:Entertain the idea.

00:29:18Guest:Yeah, sure.

00:29:18Guest:Why not?

00:29:19Guest:I think it's fun.

00:29:20Marc:Right.

00:29:20Marc:It's like, oh yeah, maybe I was.

00:29:22Guest:But then in a more serious... Maybe I was Cleopatra.

00:29:25Guest:Oh, she said she was Cleopatra too.

00:29:27Guest:How can we both be Cleopatra?

00:29:29Guest:I don't know.

00:29:31Guest:Maybe.

00:29:31Guest:Maybe there's... Right.

00:29:33Marc:And then the fun ends and you're like, this is stupid.

00:29:35Marc:Where are we eating?

00:29:40Guest:This is stupid.

00:29:41Guest:Where are we eating?

00:29:42Marc:Yeah, that's wife right there.

00:29:44Guest:That's good.

00:29:45Marc:That's all of it.

00:29:46Guest:So you talked to Louie on the phone, you said?

00:29:48Guest:I texted him.

00:29:48Guest:You texted him, and he texted you back?

00:29:50Marc:I said I was going to talk to you, and he said, she's an amazing, he phrased it very nicely.

00:29:55Guest:Oh, good.

00:29:55Marc:Like, it was nice.

00:29:57Marc:I mean, I should even tell you.

00:29:59Marc:It was that nice.

00:30:00Guest:That's nice.

00:30:01Guest:That's nice of him.

00:30:02Marc:He said, she's a huge and rare talent.

00:30:08LAUGHTER

00:30:09Guest:That's a good quote.

00:30:10Guest:I like that.

00:30:11Marc:Yeah, you can put that verb.

00:30:13Marc:That's a verb for you.

00:30:13Guest:That's great.

00:30:14Guest:You know, when I do social media, that's what I'm going to do.

00:30:17Guest:I'm going to start with that.

00:30:18Marc:He says, quote, huge and rare talent.

00:30:20Guest:That's such a good idea.

00:30:22Marc:What was your experience working with him?

00:30:23Marc:Was it crazy?

00:30:24Marc:um because that was a pretty uh disturbing role oh my god it was so sad brutal brutal but how much of that did you bring to the table because i know like i've i've been on a couple of shows i've worked with him as a director i mean because the script doesn't usually i mean he's pretty sparse on the page no this was all written

00:30:44Marc:All written, in terms of the tone?

00:30:47Guest:In terms of the tone.

00:30:48Marc:I mean, you could see the dialogue, but how much did you have to bring emotionally to that thing?

00:30:53Marc:It was all you, wasn't it?

00:30:54Guest:Yeah, I think, you know what I loved about that part?

00:30:57Guest:It was a real mix of characters that I loved, you know, that I'd watch on TV or in films growing up, like Ruth Gordon.

00:31:07Guest:Oh, right, yeah, yeah.

00:31:09Marc:In Heroin Law.

00:31:10Marc:Oh, yeah.

00:31:10Guest:Adam's rib I love too she's great yeah that was her oh she wrote that she wasn't in that right that was her script for Spencer Tracy and but this you know this woman that's like a free spirit and she's searching and just living her life and absorbing and she's dying you know yeah she's gonna die you knew that at the beginning

00:31:33Guest:Yeah, this is it.

00:31:34Guest:So I did this.

00:31:34Guest:I did a, you know, an actor named Frank Whaley.

00:31:37Marc:Yeah.

00:31:38Guest:He had a benefit reading.

00:31:41Guest:He organized a benefit reading for his kids' school.

00:31:45Guest:And we did a play reading of Christopher Durang's Beyond Therapy.

00:31:49Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:31:49Guest:And I played a therapist.

00:31:51Guest:And Louie played a therapist.

00:31:52Guest:Yeah.

00:31:52Guest:Marissa Tomei was in it.

00:31:54Guest:Louie played a therapist?

00:31:54Guest:Yes.

00:31:55Uh-huh.

00:31:56Guest:uh mario canton uh nathan lane it was this amazing cast for like 200 people right sold out in like a second so i met louis um on stage doing that and he said i you know really let's work something you know let's work together i'd love to do something with you

00:32:14Guest:So we had, I gave him my number and like a few nights after that, I texted him.

00:32:20Guest:He texted me back.

00:32:21Guest:And we met at this little place down the street from me.

00:32:25Guest:And we hung out for like two or three hours just talking.

00:32:29Guest:Uh-huh.

00:32:30Guest:And he said, you know, okay, I see a lot of different things going on with you.

00:32:36Guest:You can play this.

00:32:37Guest:You can play that.

00:32:38Guest:You're reminding me of this story I heard at an airport.

00:32:42Guest:This woman, the story that she had cancer.

00:32:46Guest:Right.

00:32:46Guest:And an artist friend I know.

00:32:47Guest:And...

00:32:50Guest:And we talked about, would you ever want to, you know, die?

00:32:54Guest:I would love to, to, to die, you know, on play a character who was dying or into, you know, have a, have a death scene is, is interesting to me.

00:33:08Marc:So he conceived the whole character with you.

00:33:11Guest:Yes.

00:33:12Guest:And then when he walked me to my apartment, it was really nice out.

00:33:16Guest:And I said, come up to my roof of a roof garden in the building.

00:33:21Guest:And I went up to the roof and then I went to the to the ledge and.

00:33:25Guest:looked over and he went no my god what are you doing he freaked out yeah he freaked out so that's how that all came uh to life and he only took like two or three weeks to write it and i went over to his apartment and he said this isn't an audition but i'd like you to read this and um i read it out loud once and

00:33:46Guest:And then like a month later, we shot it.

00:33:49Guest:And then when I had to die and let go of, you know, when I had to do that scene in the hospital, I was not happy and it was very hard.

00:33:59Guest:Because I felt like I had brought so much life to her.

00:34:02Guest:And I was really upset that I, that she was... What you got into?

00:34:08Guest:Yeah.

00:34:09Marc:You were all excited to die.

00:34:10Guest:Yeah.

00:34:11Guest:And then I was like, oh no.

00:34:13Wow.

00:34:13Marc:So you shot that all in one, so he cut that in?

00:34:16Guest:It was like six days.

00:34:17Guest:Right.

00:34:17Guest:Yeah, we shot that in six days.

00:34:19Guest:And now I'm like, I want to bring her back to life.

00:34:21Guest:How?

00:34:23Guest:Writing something.

00:34:24Marc:Did you tell him?

00:34:25Marc:Is that what you're texting him about?

00:34:26Guest:We need to bring her back to life.

00:34:28Guest:I did have this idea that Liz would be brought to life and I'd work as a zombie in the bookstore in Brooklyn.

00:34:39Yeah.

00:34:39Marc:And everybody's just okay with it?

00:34:41Marc:She's back.

00:34:42Guest:Yeah.

00:34:43Guest:Hi.

00:34:43Guest:Yeah.

00:34:44Guest:But she'd still be nice and stuff.

00:34:45Marc:Sure.

00:34:46Guest:She wouldn't eat people.

00:34:47Guest:Maybe she'd eat books.

00:34:49Guest:But maybe she'd just be a ghost.

00:34:50Guest:I loved that part.

00:34:51Guest:I thought I'd play parts like that my whole career, you know?

00:34:54Guest:They're just not written.

00:34:56Guest:That's not in style anymore.

00:34:58Marc:What kind of part is that, do you think?

00:35:00Marc:Like, what do you mean that kind of part?

00:35:02Guest:Like, witty.

00:35:03Marc:Well, you're always very witty, and you're always very compelling, and you're sometimes a little kooky and intense.

00:35:10Marc:Thank you.

00:35:11Marc:Because certain people seem to know how to use you, right?

00:35:14Guest:That's right.

00:35:14Marc:I mean, Christopher Guest seems to know how to use you, right?

00:35:18Marc:He's like, will you come be the Parker Posey thing?

00:35:21Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:35:23Guest:Those movies are so much fun.

00:35:25Guest:I love him so much.

00:35:26Marc:And those are primarily improvised, right?

00:35:28Guest:They're all improvised, yeah.

00:35:29Marc:And you're comfortable with that?

00:35:31Marc:You love it?

00:35:32Guest:At first, it's a little scary.

00:35:35Guest:How much does he give you in each movie?

00:35:37Guest:So there's like an outline.

00:35:39Guest:So Meg and Hamilton Swan are in therapy, you know, in the first scene.

00:35:45Guest:You see this in therapy.

00:35:46Guest:Which movie is this?

00:35:47Guest:Oh, yeah, right.

00:35:48Guest:Okay, right.

00:35:48Guest:They talk about their dog, Beatrice.

00:35:51Guest:Who's your husband?

00:35:53Guest:Hitchcock, Michael Hitchcock.

00:35:54Marc:Okay, yeah.

00:35:55Marc:Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.

00:35:55Guest:He's so good.

00:35:56Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:35:58Guest:This is a catalog.

00:35:59Guest:They were described as a catalog couple, like all cataloged.

00:36:03Guest:Their house is all cataloged.

00:36:06Guest:Um, they're really concerned that their dog Beatrice won't be able to, uh, compete in the Westminster dog show because she caught them having sex and she's been having a hard time.

00:36:20Guest:And she also, uh, and this didn't make it into the movie.

00:36:25Guest:It was a really funny scene where I'm yelling at my maid because the dog, um, pooped in my husband's slipper because she was really upset.

00:36:34Guest:Beatrice.

00:36:35Guest:Yeah.

00:36:35Guest:So she pooped in the slipper.

00:36:38Guest:It's just so absurd.

00:36:40Marc:And then you just riffed.

00:36:41Guest:I love him.

00:36:42Guest:How great is that?

00:36:43Guest:Isn't that cute and funny?

00:36:44Guest:Yeah.

00:36:44Guest:I'm like, what is this?

00:36:46Guest:You know, yelling at Lucy.

00:36:48Guest:Lucy.

00:36:49Guest:Look what Beatrice did.

00:36:52Guest:What am I supposed to do about this?

00:36:53Guest:So funny.

00:36:55Marc:Almost robot people, in a way.

00:36:58Marc:Except they have, everything's invested in this dog.

00:37:00Marc:But the relationship dynamic is they're both sort of like cookie cutter people.

00:37:04Guest:High achiever, yeah.

00:37:05Marc:Right, all the emotion is around the end.

00:37:06Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:37:07Guest:Right, right, right.

00:37:10Guest:But I was also, I made her a pill popper and a stoner.

00:37:14Guest:And none of that was in there.

00:37:18Guest:But every now and then I'd reach out.

00:37:19Guest:And Chris just goes, that's great.

00:37:22Guest:Yeah, I'd take a sip.

00:37:23Guest:I think it was in the outline that she was medicated.

00:37:26Guest:Which is too bad, because that's when all the medication was becoming popular, you know?

00:37:31Marc:Yeah, yeah.

00:37:32Marc:Now... Everybody's on it.

00:37:33Guest:Now everyone's medicated.

00:37:34Guest:Are you medicated?

00:37:35Guest:No, I'm not.

00:37:36Guest:Me neither.

00:37:37Marc:Yeah.

00:37:37Marc:We're the last holdouts.

00:37:39Marc:this juice is what just depends you know how you know how how hard do you want to fight the fight you know what i mean i mean i imagine i think they just kind of give people medication without any real diagnosis of anything it's just sort of like oh you don't feel right try these come back in three weeks if you know if you start talking funny or you put on 12 pounds yeah you can't anymore you know call me up yeah yeah there's a pill yeah if you feel better then great then we'll stay on it for a while

00:38:08Guest:But it's got to change you and make you feel funny.

00:38:11Guest:I don't know.

00:38:12Marc:Yeah, I think something goes on.

00:38:14Guest:And now people identify themselves as like OCD or ADD.

00:38:18Guest:Have you noticed that?

00:38:19Guest:Yeah, there's a lot of identifiers.

00:38:20Marc:Yeah, they start to explain.

00:38:22Marc:Bipolar one or two.

00:38:23Guest:Yeah, I'm bipolar.

00:38:26Guest:I'm this or I'm that.

00:38:27Guest:Good for you.

00:38:27Guest:It's like you're a human being.

00:38:29Marc:Well, I don't know what people really expect out of themselves, trying to adapt to all the input.

00:38:34Marc:You know what I mean?

00:38:35Marc:It's going to be a pretty rough shift.

00:38:39Marc:Yeah, I agree.

00:38:41Marc:The kids half our age are sort of wired in in a different way than we are.

00:38:45Marc:A lot of noise for us.

00:38:48Marc:We come from the crashing wave of the 60s.

00:38:51Guest:We're sensitive, open people.

00:38:53Guest:Yeah, we were in the Reagan years.

00:38:55Guest:We rebelled against the Reagan years.

00:38:58Marc:There was less onslaught of fucking with our heads.

00:39:02Guest:I don't know what it is.

00:39:03Guest:And also like the 20-somethings too.

00:39:04Guest:The movies they watched.

00:39:06Guest:Lots of slasher films.

00:39:08Marc:Yeah, right.

00:39:09Guest:They're numb or something.

00:39:11Marc:It's so hard to talk about it without feeling like those kids.

00:39:14Guest:I know.

00:39:15Guest:I know.

00:39:16Guest:This is how we get old.

00:39:17Marc:I guess.

00:39:17Guest:This is how we get... Are we right?

00:39:19Guest:Yeah.

00:39:19Marc:Are they... Should we be concerned though?

00:39:22Marc:It's a generation gap.

00:39:23Marc:You don't have kids, right?

00:39:24Marc:No.

00:39:24Marc:I don't either.

00:39:25Marc:So how concerned can I really be?

00:39:26Marc:It's like, well, they seem... They seem problematic.

00:39:30Marc:I don't know directly...

00:39:32Marc:But I find them annoying sometimes.

00:39:36Marc:But also when I don't have kids and we're not married, you and me, I don't really know how old I am most of the time.

00:39:41Marc:I don't know how old other people are.

00:39:42Guest:How old do you feel?

00:39:44Guest:Do you feel 30?

00:39:45Marc:I don't even know.

00:39:46Marc:I don't even know if I felt 30 when I felt 30.

00:39:48Marc:There's some part of my brain that remains sort of steady the same way it always was.

00:39:52Marc:And then every once in a while you look in the mirror and you're like, oh, that's happening.

00:39:56Marc:Okay.

00:39:56Marc:But then, like, I don't know if I'm talking.

00:40:00Guest:You always feel the same.

00:40:01Guest:You just keep getting older.

00:40:02Marc:I know.

00:40:02Guest:But you always feel the same.

00:40:05Guest:Yeah, I still feel the same.

00:40:06Marc:Some people slow down, though.

00:40:08Marc:You have friends, right?

00:40:09Marc:Sometimes I see people that I haven't seen in 10 years.

00:40:12Marc:That's always an indicator.

00:40:13Marc:Like, you see somebody you haven't seen in, like, 15 years.

00:40:15Marc:And now, all of a sudden, we're the age we are.

00:40:17Marc:And you're like, oh, boy, what happened to you?

00:40:19Marc:You seem to have slowed down a bit.

00:40:21Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:40:22Marc:Deadliness.

00:40:23Guest:Deadliness.

00:40:24Guest:Oh, what are you going to do?

00:40:26Guest:Not experiencing their life.

00:40:28Guest:Right.

00:40:28Marc:That's kind of a sleep.

00:40:30Marc:Maybe we're projecting that.

00:40:31Marc:Maybe they see us and they think the same thing like, oh, something's gone wrong there.

00:40:37Guest:No, I don't know.

00:40:39Marc:All right.

00:40:39Guest:I don't know.

00:40:40Guest:I don't know.

00:40:41Marc:I don't know if I'm talking to a 20 year old or a 35 year old.

00:40:43Marc:I don't fucking know.

00:40:44Guest:Yeah.

00:40:44Marc:Do you generally?

00:40:47Marc:I can tell if they're like they're teenagers usually.

00:40:50Guest:I can tell the difference of the generation gap of the late 20s and 30s.

00:40:58Guest:Yeah.

00:40:59Guest:Especially with the girls.

00:41:04Marc:But does it bother you that they don't... I sometimes talk about things on the podcast or I'll tweet something or I'll bring it up in conversation about movies that we grew up with and they're like, what?

00:41:15Marc:I had no idea this was even a thing.

00:41:17Marc:Like The Godfather.

00:41:18Marc:How do you not watch The Fucking Godfather?

00:41:20Marc:Yeah.

00:41:20Marc:that's crazy right yeah and they don't care yeah and so are we but are we just old people going like you've got to watch yeah godfather you dummy yeah yeah so when did you start acting when what happened so you're in new orleans you're in louisiana new orleans that's where you grew up after ball around there around there in the south it's sweaty and hot i was a ballerina yeah and your dad did what after vietnam

00:41:44Guest:uh car dealership my uncle van truman van van beckhoven my my dad was his he's like a surrogate dad to my dad and uh he was a big uh like big daddy from you know tennessee williams play oh really big character you know if the ketchup wasn't on the table he'd

00:42:04Guest:slam his hand down on the table and just say ketchup you know and um he was a real star and so my dad was a car salesman for him and then um but in the beginning my dad was going to be an english teacher but it didn't make enough money so he's very you know he'd read to me and tell me stories and

00:42:26Guest:My grandmother, his mother would sing sad cowboy songs and make everyone cry.

00:42:31Marc:Where was she from?

00:42:32Guest:Louisiana, but she was also from Belgium.

00:42:35Marc:So they're from Louisiana.

00:42:36Marc:Your dad was from Louisiana.

00:42:38Marc:So he always had a new car though, right?

00:42:39Guest:Yeah, this was during the Cadillac.

00:42:41Marc:So he was a Cadillac salesman?

00:42:43Marc:Mm-hmm.

00:42:43Marc:So a big old Cadillacs.

00:42:44Guest:Yeah.

00:42:45Marc:In the 70s.

00:42:46Guest:Yeah.

00:42:46Marc:That's good.

00:42:47Guest:Yeah.

00:42:47Marc:Those are big.

00:42:48Guest:Yeah.

00:42:49Marc:Yeah.

00:42:49Guest:And my uncle, my Uncle Truman, loaned me one of his Cadillacs when I was doing a play at the Geffen Playhouse in my 20s and had no money.

00:42:58Guest:And he loaned me this big man.

00:43:00Guest:In L.A.

00:43:00Guest:?

00:43:01Guest:Yeah, this big red convertible Cadillac.

00:43:03Marc:Where, from Louisiana?

00:43:05Guest:He had a house in San Diego, so he got someone to drive down there.

00:43:10Guest:Oh my God, it was so nice.

00:43:11Guest:It was like driving a boat.

00:43:13Marc:What play in your 20s did you do?

00:43:15Guest:It was a play called Four Dogs and a Bone, a John Patrick Shanley play.

00:43:20Marc:Was that the early thing, the start?

00:43:23Marc:Did you want to be theater?

00:43:24Guest:No.

00:43:24Guest:No, I started out as a ballerina.

00:43:26Guest:I started out as a dancer.

00:43:27Guest:That was probably the first.

00:43:29Guest:I'm just doing it.

00:43:31Guest:My wrist is a little tight.

00:43:32Marc:But you were saying it while you were talking about dancing, and I took it as dancing.

00:43:35Marc:That's how I received that.

00:43:37Marc:That I was getting a small.

00:43:39Marc:You were saying, I started off as a ballerina, and then I went to modern, which is what I'm doing now.

00:43:44Guest:If I had been turned on to modern dance, I could see myself dancing like that.

00:43:51Guest:I was really into dance.

00:43:53Guest:So I was in a company when I was 11.

00:43:55Guest:Really?

00:43:56Guest:So you were good?

00:43:56Guest:In Montgomery, Louisiana.

00:43:58Guest:Oh, well, how good were you?

00:44:00Guest:Good?

00:44:01Guest:I was tall enough.

00:44:02Guest:I wasn't tall enough.

00:44:04Guest:Um, but I had, uh, Moxie.

00:44:08Guest:I had presents.

00:44:09Guest:Yeah, I did.

00:44:11Guest:And, uh, so I was in a little company and then I auditioned for North Carolina school of the arts when I was 12 and I went to the school there.

00:44:21Guest:Um,

00:44:21Guest:And I didn't get in and the dean of the school call my dad and No, my dad called the dean of school said my daughter's gonna be really upset.

00:44:29Guest:What do I tell her?

00:44:30Guest:And he said tell her she's an actress and that's how it started I was like really yeah 12 13 years old you went in for dancing and they were like no, no She's and then did he say well could you take her?

00:44:42Guest:Yeah, exactly.

00:44:43Guest:I was like can I just go there and hang out because they did they have an acting program?

00:44:46Guest:They did, but in college, not in high school.

00:44:50Guest:But I went back for the summer programs in high school, and it was there that I really... Did you walk in with a teacher?

00:45:02Guest:Yeah, a few teachers.

00:45:04Marc:How old were you?

00:45:06Guest:13, 14, 15.

00:45:09Guest:But even earlier, my cousin reminded me of this.

00:45:12Guest:I'd forgotten about it.

00:45:13Guest:And it's funny.

00:45:14Guest:When I was eight and we were at camp, Strong River Camp and Farm in Mississippi, they asked me to be the director and the leader of the play for the kids.

00:45:27Guest:And so I made a Little Red Riding Hood detective.

00:45:31Guest:uncovering the case of Goldilocks and the Three Bears as Kojak.

00:45:38Marc:And this was your conception?

00:45:39Guest:Yeah.

00:45:39Guest:And then I walked out on stage.

00:45:41Guest:So did you have a lollipop?

00:45:42Guest:I walked out on stage and I said, who loves you, baby?

00:45:45Guest:And everyone started laughing.

00:45:48Guest:And I remember thinking, this isn't funny.

00:45:52Guest:I'm a detective.

00:45:55Guest:They're laughing at me.

00:45:57Guest:No, I was like, no.

00:45:58Guest:Yeah, this is really serious.

00:45:59Guest:Yeah, what the fuck is wrong with you people?

00:46:01Guest:And I remember that feeling.

00:46:02Marc:And you were 13 or 12?

00:46:03Marc:I was eight.

00:46:05Marc:All right.

00:46:06Marc:So you were like, I'm playing this straight.

00:46:08Marc:I'm Kojak.

00:46:09Marc:I'm a detective with Little Red Riding Hood.

00:46:11Marc:Yeah, I loved him.

00:46:12Guest:Yeah, I loved him.

00:46:14Guest:But I always knew I'd do something different, and teachers told me.

00:46:17Marc:You had no idea that it was funny.

00:46:19Marc:That's cute.

00:46:20Guest:No, no.

00:46:21Marc:No.

00:46:21Marc:Do you know when you're funny now?

00:46:24Marc:Or do you play everything pretty serious?

00:46:27Marc:Because, I mean, those Christopher Guest movies, those are pretty... They're pretty serious.

00:46:30Marc:Very serious.

00:46:31Guest:Yeah.

00:46:32Guest:And, you know, yeah, it's like he puts a hand on your shoulder and says, for a take, you know, this is not too far from the truth.

00:46:42Guest:You know, people are really... In every movie?

00:46:44Guest:Yeah, people are really like this...

00:46:46Marc:That's his direction.

00:46:48Marc:That's his basic direction.

00:46:49Marc:It's like, don't even think to play this.

00:46:51Guest:No, no, no.

00:46:53Guest:That's shameful.

00:46:56Guest:If you're pushing that thing, like, I'm going to be really funny.

00:46:59Marc:That's his quiet reminder.

00:47:00Marc:This is...

00:47:01Guest:This is real.

00:47:02Guest:And he doesn't look at them like satires.

00:47:05Guest:Right.

00:47:06Guest:Yeah.

00:47:06Guest:This is like this is how people are now.

00:47:09Guest:And, you know, hanging around him to funny stuff happens around him.

00:47:14Guest:You know, you just be in an elevator and a stranger will just kind of be odd.

00:47:21Marc:So he maybe you're just your perception changes around him.

00:47:24Guest:Yeah, people kind of carry that around.

00:47:27Marc:Well, I would imagine that would happen.

00:47:29Marc:If you're with him, you would sort of see the world like that in everybody.

00:47:32Marc:It's sort of like, there's a few comic book artists.

00:47:36Marc:Why am I forgetting his name?

00:47:37Marc:Daniel Klaus.

00:47:38Marc:Even R. Crum and stuff.

00:47:39Marc:That if you read enough of that stuff, your perception sort of shifts.

00:47:42Marc:And you can kind of see the grotesque nature right alongside the beauty of all things.

00:47:50Marc:yeah yeah that's good yeah that's nice it is nice yeah did you have you gone down to the new museum have you the whitney yeah the yeah oh do you mean right down here on bowery yeah no i gotta go to the whitney i just got here just got here oh wow just opened i got here day before yesterday and i did the i did a thing and then like i i've been told to go over there it's so nice yeah but is it crazy lines and shit

00:48:13Guest:On the weekend, yeah.

00:48:15Marc:Maybe during the week I'll go.

00:48:17Marc:Did you go?

00:48:17Guest:I haven't gone yet.

00:48:19Marc:You're talking about the new museum right down here.

00:48:20Guest:The groovy museum.

00:48:21Marc:Because it's right there, yeah.

00:48:22Marc:The cool shit.

00:48:23Marc:Where you're like, today, these are just, they're just pen on tile.

00:48:28Marc:Pieces.

00:48:29Guest:I know the art world.

00:48:30Guest:I have a couple of friends who are artists.

00:48:32Guest:It's kind of scary now.

00:48:34Marc:Is it?

00:48:34Marc:Why?

00:48:35Guest:It's hard.

00:48:35Guest:It's difficult.

00:48:37Guest:I know.

00:48:37Marc:I'm dating a painter.

00:48:39Guest:Yeah.

00:48:40Marc:And it's like, it's its own thing.

00:48:43Marc:But it's like, it's very small.

00:48:45Marc:yeah the scene yeah yeah there's 12 people yeah it's hard to make a living does she work it is she good at like schmoozing or is she in a in in the click or is she not she's like sort of like a is there politics involved all politics all politics but she's doing okay from what i understand cool how's your friend doing

00:49:07Guest:She's doing okay, although she doesn't have a gallery anymore.

00:49:10Marc:Is she a painter?

00:49:11Guest:Yeah, she's a painter.

00:49:12Guest:She's amazing.

00:49:14Guest:She does these inverted, reflected landscapes, like reflections of a pond.

00:49:20Guest:They're huge.

00:49:22Marc:And she doesn't have a gallery anymore?

00:49:24Marc:So she's out there in the wild?

00:49:27Guest:Yeah, but she's moving around.

00:49:33Guest:They're feeling it out.

00:49:36Marc:It's hard.

00:49:37Guest:It is hard.

00:49:38Marc:It's a hard life in the arts.

00:49:39Guest:Yeah, yeah, it is.

00:49:40Guest:It is.

00:49:42Guest:Alright, so, okay, so you go... Oh, right, North Carolina School of the Arts.

00:49:46Marc:On the summers.

00:49:47Guest:And to SUNY Purchase.

00:49:48Guest:I heard about SUNY Purchase as an acting school.

00:49:51Marc:But what were you getting, what kind of direction were you getting when, like, you know, how does it start?

00:49:55Marc:When, like, who would you say your first training comes from?

00:49:59Marc:Because I never know how.

00:49:59Marc:Actors are just... The TV.

00:50:01Marc:Right.

00:50:01Guest:As a child.

00:50:02Marc:Actors are, either you've got it or you don't.

00:50:04Guest:I was fascinated by TV, yeah.

00:50:06Marc:But nobody, like, said, like, here's some acting tips.

00:50:11Guest:no no you're just like we're doing plays yeah but you know it's my dad it's my parents like they were kind of observant eccentric people you know your mom's still around too right yeah right we covered so they what does she do um she uh she doesn't have a job job but uh she went to culinary school in new orleans she's an amazing cook and she loves foods she's really creative she's got great style and

00:50:38Guest:She's kind of a southern belle, like all that southern living and all that stuff.

00:50:43Guest:She can whip stuff up?

00:50:44Guest:She likes to do all that.

00:50:45Marc:Make breads and things?

00:50:46Guest:Yeah, they go to New Orleans.

00:50:49Marc:Where do they live now?

00:50:50Guest:In a town called Laurel.

00:50:52Marc:So they're in Louisiana still?

00:50:53Guest:That's in Mississippi, but it's two hours away.

00:50:55Marc:Why Mississippi?

00:50:57Guest:my dad got transferred there for the car job yeah so we moved from louisiana so the car dealership is sort of like being in the army you just get stationed places we stationed you at another dealership yeah he plays golf but you're a real southern person yeah yeah who had to leave you know i wanted to leave i wanted to leave very early why

00:51:23Guest:Because it was provincial and small town, and I wanted to remember the family affair, Buffy and Jody, Mr. French.

00:51:34Guest:Remember that show?

00:51:34Marc:Sebastian Cabot and Brian Keith.

00:51:35Guest:Sebastian Cabot.

00:51:36Guest:And Jody.

00:51:37Guest:And they lived in this apartment.

00:51:39Marc:Yeah, in the townhouse, right?

00:51:41Guest:Yeah, but it was a huge building.

00:51:43Guest:I think it was in New York or Chicago.

00:51:45Marc:Oh, maybe.

00:51:46Marc:I don't know.

00:51:47Guest:I think maybe it was New York.

00:51:48Guest:That's how you wanted to live?

00:51:49Guest:But that's how I wanted to live.

00:51:50Guest:I wanted to live in one of those places with a lot of people around me.

00:51:54Marc:Yeah.

00:51:54Marc:All right.

00:51:56Marc:So, okay.

00:51:56Marc:So you do plays in high school.

00:51:57Marc:You're going to the thing.

00:51:59Marc:What else did you do?

00:52:00Marc:Did you do okay in school?

00:52:02Guest:Um, in high school and like grades and stuff.

00:52:06Guest:I was already out there.

00:52:07Guest:Yeah.

00:52:07Guest:I liked English, but I didn't, uh, I dropped accounting.

00:52:11Guest:I couldn't even deal.

00:52:13Guest:You know, I couldn't even count.

00:52:14Marc:You're a pretty level-headed kid.

00:52:15Guest:I cheated on tests.

00:52:16Guest:Yeah.

00:52:17Guest:I'd write answers on my shoes.

00:52:18Guest:Right.

00:52:19Marc:For accounting.

00:52:20Guest:Yeah.

00:52:20Marc:Who needs it?

00:52:21Marc:Math in general.

00:52:22Guest:Not of any use to me.

00:52:23Guest:Someone who knows how to do this is going to take care of this for me.

00:52:28Marc:Um, and you were pretty level-headed.

00:52:30Marc:You didn't get fucked up.

00:52:33Guest:No, you know, I was I was pretty serious.

00:52:37Guest:I like to read and empathize with, you know, characters and books and movies.

00:52:48Guest:And, you know, when I saw like my dinner with Andre as a 13 or 14 year old, I loved that.

00:52:54Marc:Who showed you that movie?

00:52:55Guest:It was on PBS.

00:52:57Yeah.

00:52:57Marc:Were your parents like sort of, well, your mom was, were they?

00:53:00Guest:Well, they were into that.

00:53:01Guest:Sophisticated?

00:53:02Guest:Yeah, I guess so.

00:53:03Guest:Yeah, like good tasting.

00:53:04Marc:High-minded?

00:53:05Guest:Opinionated, high-minded, yeah.

00:53:09Guest:I mean, like if they're like, yeah, go ahead and watch that.

00:53:12Guest:That's not really funny.

00:53:13Guest:You know, this is funny.

00:53:14Guest:Yeah, like that.

00:53:15Guest:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:16Guest:so um and a good like camp sensibility oh yeah when mommy dearest would come on we'd oh yeah yeah we'd watch oh yeah i go like get some that's like you mom you know that's very nice right what'd your brother end up doing my uh yeah because my my my mother's mother faye was kind of a star and she really felt like to me like joan crawford or susan hayward like she really clomped around in high heels and acted like a movie star and made her own clothes and

00:53:45Marc:Oh, really?

00:53:46Guest:Yeah.

00:53:47Guest:She's very dramatic.

00:53:51Guest:What did you ask?

00:53:51Guest:You asked about my brother.

00:53:52Marc:What's he do?

00:53:53Guest:He took over the dealership for my dad.

00:53:56Marc:So he's in cars.

00:53:58Guest:Yeah.

00:53:59Guest:He's overseeing all that.

00:54:00Guest:And, you know, the car business is not doing well.

00:54:04Guest:I love my sister-in-law, Colm.

00:54:08Guest:They have three kids.

00:54:10Guest:That's nice.

00:54:12Guest:Yeah.

00:54:12Guest:They come up here.

00:54:12Guest:Yeah?

00:54:13Guest:Hang out?

00:54:13Guest:So they like to travel.

00:54:14Guest:Yeah.

00:54:15Marc:And you get to see him?

00:54:16Guest:Especially my... I'm not as close to my brother as I am to my sister-in-law.

00:54:21Guest:But... His wife?

00:54:23Guest:Yeah.

00:54:24Guest:Oh.

00:54:24Guest:Yeah.

00:54:24Marc:That's right.

00:54:25Marc:Did it go... Did something waver at some point?

00:54:28Guest:No.

00:54:29Guest:I think it's just always kind of been like that.

00:54:32Guest:I know.

00:54:33Marc:So there's no mystical connection?

00:54:35Guest:There's a little bit.

00:54:36Guest:There's a little bit.

00:54:37Marc:No deep understanding?

00:54:39Guest:Um...

00:54:41Marc:It's weird with siblings, I guess.

00:54:42Marc:There's a familiarity, yet you get distant.

00:54:44Guest:Yeah, do you have siblings?

00:54:46Marc:Yeah, I got a little brother.

00:54:48Marc:Instinctively, we're wired very similarly.

00:54:52Guest:Yeah.

00:54:53Marc:But you don't know people's lives if you're not in them.

00:54:57Marc:That's right.

00:54:58Marc:It's impossible to catch up sometimes.

00:55:00Guest:I'm kind of an anomaly to my family.

00:55:04Marc:Hey, how did this all happen?

00:55:06Guest:The movie actress?

00:55:07Guest:Yeah.

00:55:08Guest:Like, what?

00:55:09Marc:She's in New York, being in plays.

00:55:11Guest:Yeah.

00:55:12Marc:Acting in movies.

00:55:13Marc:Do they like your work, though?

00:55:16Guest:They love the Chris Guest movies, but when I did Superman Returns, I remember my dad and I were having this conversation in the car.

00:55:24Guest:That's a big movie, right?

00:55:27Guest:Yeah.

00:55:27Guest:He was talking to me about teaching.

00:55:29Guest:He was like, maybe you should think about teaching.

00:55:32Marc:Oh, no.

00:55:32Marc:That's the worst.

00:55:34Marc:To do something where you get a pension of some kind.

00:55:37Guest:Yeah, and then I was like, well, I'm in a big movie that's coming out, and Superman Returns.

00:55:43Guest:And then when he saw it, his comment was, he said, well, I wasn't bored.

00:55:49Guest:Ugh.

00:55:51Guest:That's brutal.

00:55:52Guest:Makes a comedian.

00:55:54Guest:Yeah.

00:55:54Guest:Makes a funny one.

00:55:56Guest:I know, but it's... It's a tough house.

00:55:57Guest:Yeah.

00:55:57Guest:Right?

00:55:58Guest:It's a tough house.

00:55:58Marc:But it's weird when you do this.

00:56:00Marc:Like, they don't know how... They don't understand the nature of the business necessarily.

00:56:05Guest:No.

00:56:06Marc:So they can only... There's constant concern unless... I don't know what it would take...

00:56:11Marc:Yeah.

00:56:11Marc:For them to go like, oh, she's good.

00:56:13Marc:What would you have to be on?

00:56:14Guest:It's not a real job.

00:56:15Guest:Right.

00:56:16Guest:Ever.

00:56:16Marc:Yeah.

00:56:17Marc:God.

00:56:18Guest:Yeah.

00:56:18Guest:It's hard.

00:56:19Marc:They're concerned.

00:56:20Marc:That's the thing.

00:56:21Marc:It doesn't come out of anything other than that.

00:56:23Guest:Yeah.

00:56:23Guest:And fear.

00:56:24Marc:Right.

00:56:24Guest:Yeah.

00:56:25Marc:You're going to be OK.

00:56:26Marc:Mm hmm.

00:56:26Marc:So but when did you so you went to L.A.

00:56:29Marc:when?

00:56:30Guest:I never went to L.A.

00:56:32Marc:But you were there at the Geffen Playhouse.

00:56:34Yeah.

00:56:34Guest:Yeah, I was there in... They cast you here?

00:56:37Guest:Okay, so I went to SUNY Purchase.

00:56:39Guest:I got a job on a soap.

00:56:40Guest:What soap?

00:56:41Guest:My senior year in college, as the world turns.

00:56:43Marc:Oh, yeah?

00:56:44Guest:And... How was that experience?

00:56:46Marc:How many did you do?

00:56:47Marc:Like a million?

00:56:48Marc:Like, did you do a hundred episodes?

00:56:49Marc:Yeah.

00:56:49Guest:I was on only for a year and four months.

00:56:52Guest:They wanted me for three years, but I had just gotten out of school.

00:56:55Guest:I was like, I'm not going to go somewhere for three years.

00:56:58Guest:And be that in that world.

00:57:00Guest:After four years of college.

00:57:02Guest:And so I had a year and a half contract.

00:57:06Marc:Where'd they shoot it?

00:57:07Guest:In New York on 57th Street at CBS.

00:57:09Marc:Was it just a weird world of soaps?

00:57:11Guest:Yeah, I loved it.

00:57:12Guest:You did?

00:57:12Guest:Yeah.

00:57:14Marc:Just like every day?

00:57:15Marc:Did you go?

00:57:16Guest:Yeah, almost every day.

00:57:17Guest:And the scripts churned out?

00:57:18Guest:I mean, it was hard.

00:57:19Guest:Yeah, it was really hard.

00:57:20Guest:It made me laugh, you know?

00:57:22Marc:Yeah, you're working with all the soap opera actresses and actors?

00:57:24Guest:Yeah, they could really turn it on, you know?

00:57:26Guest:Just the waterworks.

00:57:27Marc:That must have been a real lesson in the profession of acting.

00:57:31Guest:Yeah.

00:57:32Marc:Yeah.

00:57:32Guest:like just like drop of a dime oh yeah crying not like you know face moving and just like tears like you know to me more tears like wow yeah like it's a real instrument and style and tone that they can just like turn that on um some of the directors were could let me be a little more camp right now

00:57:54Marc:But that's a hell of an education just to see that.

00:57:56Marc:Because like on a practical level, just in terms of the job of acting.

00:58:01Guest:Yeah.

00:58:01Marc:That's really the job.

00:58:03Guest:Yeah.

00:58:03Marc:In some weird way.

00:58:05Marc:But you got out.

00:58:07Guest:I got out.

00:58:07Guest:Yeah.

00:58:08Guest:I wanted to.

00:58:10Guest:I didn't want to be.

00:58:11Guest:I was especially just so much more of a free spirit than, you know, than I am now.

00:58:17Guest:And I couldn't, I wanted to work in independent film.

00:58:21Guest:So I got a job at, yeah, Days of Confused when I was on the soap.

00:58:27Guest:So I went to Austin to do that.

00:58:29Marc:And that was kind of like the heyday of the first wave of those, or maybe just the second wave of independent films, you know, just post John Sayles and the few other people, then Linklater and those guys started doing it.

00:58:38Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:58:39Marc:And that was a huge movie.

00:58:40Guest:Yeah.

00:58:41Marc:For young actors and actresses.

00:58:43Guest:I know.

00:58:43Guest:It was amazing.

00:58:44Guest:And there were, you know, screen tests.

00:58:47Guest:Everybody was in that movie.

00:58:48Guest:The callback was like, you know, 35 people.

00:58:51Marc:I became friends with Adam Goldberg.

00:58:53Marc:He's in that.

00:58:53Guest:Oh, I love him.

00:58:54Guest:He's great.

00:58:55Guest:Yeah.

00:58:55Guest:He's great.

00:58:56Marc:He's very funny.

00:58:56Guest:How did you meet Adam?

00:58:58Marc:I had him on the podcast because people wanted us to know each other.

00:59:03Marc:And then I used him in an episode of my show this last season.

00:59:07Marc:And then, I don't know, we hang out occasionally.

00:59:10Guest:What is your show like?

00:59:12Marc:It's a half-hour scripted comedy based on a guy who does a podcast in his garage.

00:59:16Marc:And his wife is sort of... Where did you get that idea from?

00:59:20Marc:It's a stretch.

00:59:21Marc:It's a crazy idea.

00:59:24Guest:And are you going to have people like me come on and talk to you on the show?

00:59:28Marc:They've done that.

00:59:29Marc:Yeah, I use people playing themselves in my show.

00:59:32Marc:Yeah, I've used a lot of people.

00:59:34Marc:But I'll use you if we do another season.

00:59:36Guest:Okay.

00:59:37Marc:It's the third season.

00:59:38Marc:And you can come.

00:59:38Guest:That's amazing.

00:59:40Guest:I'm surprised I didn't know about this.

00:59:41Guest:It's on IFC.

00:59:43Guest:Okay.

00:59:43Marc:So like a lot of people are like, IFC?

00:59:45Marc:I got to check if I get that.

00:59:47Marc:Yeah, I know.

00:59:49Marc:It's on Netflix the first two seasons.

00:59:50Marc:It gets good in the middle of the second season.

00:59:52Guest:Great.

00:59:53Guest:Of course.

00:59:56Guest:So Adam's on the show.

00:59:57Guest:Who does he play?

00:59:58Marc:He plays a professor at a college, an old friend of mine who's now a professor at a college.

01:00:02Marc:And I go visit him and he's kind of sexually obsessed with a student.

01:00:09Guest:He does or you do?

01:00:10Guest:He does.

01:00:11Marc:And he's in a bit of trouble.

01:00:13Guest:Uh-oh.

01:00:13Marc:Yeah.

01:00:14Guest:How old is this student?

01:00:16Yeah.

01:00:16Marc:20.

01:00:16Marc:It's a graduate student.

01:00:18Marc:We made it relatively acceptable.

01:00:22Marc:Speaking of that, I just watched a trailer of the new Woody Allen movie.

01:00:26Marc:I got nervous.

01:00:27Marc:I'm like, is this my show?

01:00:29Marc:Is this going to be the similar thing?

01:00:31Marc:Is this going to step on my idea?

01:00:33Guest:Not at all.

01:00:34Marc:But you're with Joaquin Phoenix and the pretty girl.

01:00:38Guest:Yeah, Emma Stone.

01:00:41Marc:That's your first Woody Allen movie?

01:00:43Guest:Yes, I met him 20 years ago for Bullets Over Broadway.

01:00:48Guest:I was asked to be in the jury at the Krakow Film Festival in Poland.

01:00:54Marc:That's a tough gig to get.

01:00:58Marc:Good for you.

01:00:59Guest:Thank you.

01:01:00Guest:I was really, I felt really blessed to be there.

01:01:04Guest:Yeah.

01:01:05Guest:Um, so they've been asking me to, you know, come be on the jury for years.

01:01:09Guest:And finally I said, yes.

01:01:11Guest:And, uh,

01:01:13Guest:You know, you just watch a bunch of movies.

01:01:15Guest:And I took a girlfriend.

01:01:16Guest:And Juliet Taylor, Woody Allen's casting director, was on the jury with me.

01:01:23Guest:So we got a little closer, I guess.

01:01:26Guest:Or she got a real sense of who I was.

01:01:28Guest:And after all that was over, I was in such a suffering place last year.

01:01:38Guest:So anyway, I got back on a Monday.

01:01:42Guest:I met Woody on a Thursday, and then I got material on Friday.

01:01:48Marc:Wow.

01:01:49Guest:And so it happened very quickly.

01:01:51Marc:You were in a suffering place last year?

01:01:54Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:01:55Guest:I was not good last year.

01:01:57Guest:Why?

01:01:59Guest:Just to, you know, how things can accumulate.

01:02:04Guest:I'd say Philip Seymour Hoffman's death.

01:02:07Guest:Right.

01:02:08Guest:Robin Williams' death.

01:02:09Guest:Yeah.

01:02:11Guest:The state of the culture.

01:02:13Guest:Not worrying about if I have a place, if I fit in.

01:02:20Marc:Life crisis.

01:02:21Guest:Yeah.

01:02:23Guest:Really scared.

01:02:25Marc:Just that, did you know Robin?

01:02:27Guest:No.

01:02:28Marc:But you knew Phillip?

01:02:30Guest:Yeah, but it was this...

01:02:33Guest:i know what you're talking about the what's the point right what's the point but also like i felt that if they were creatively satisfied in doing more meaningful material maybe maybe they could have held on to that yeah you know because i i get so uh depressed at at the kind of the lack of

01:02:57Guest:Right.

01:02:57Guest:Humanity and material and humor and things that I like to do.

01:03:01Guest:So just feeling a little out of style or out of place in the culture.

01:03:09Guest:But that's just part of it.

01:03:11Guest:That's what's called longevity.

01:03:12Guest:Of course, I'm going to feel that, you know, part of aging and aging.

01:03:16Guest:Yeah.

01:03:17Marc:Yeah, because I find that I feel that way too sometimes.

01:03:19Marc:It's not so much whether I'm part of it or not, but sort of like what's the point and how do you maintain the excitement?

01:03:29Guest:Well, I'm excited now.

01:03:30Marc:Yeah, you seem good now.

01:03:32Guest:Yeah, I'm good now.

01:03:33Guest:Went through a dark tunnel though, huh?

01:03:34Guest:Yeah, I did.

01:03:36Marc:How did you handle that?

01:03:38Marc:I mean, did you just wait it out?

01:03:39Marc:Did you sleep all day?

01:03:40Guest:You know what happened is I did a play, of course.

01:03:43Guest:I have a great one.

01:03:44Guest:I did a play at Yale and they moved it to Broadway without me because I wasn't a big enough name.

01:03:51Marc:And that's what started it?

01:03:52Guest:Yeah, that was just one of the things.

01:03:55Marc:And so that kind of rips open the insecurity and like, who am I?

01:03:59Marc:And then like other things happen and then you see it all through that lens.

01:04:02Guest:Yeah.

01:04:03Marc:And then it just starts to crush you.

01:04:05Guest:yeah yeah right and you get scared you know um and then you think oh maybe i don't know how to do it anymore maybe i'm not good anymore i've lost it or something acting or just yeah which is stupid but i always feel like that when i work uh it's right what was the play uh the realistic joneses huh um who's the big name they got

01:04:32Guest:Tracy Letts was in it.

01:04:34Guest:Do you know Tracy Letts?

01:04:35Guest:The playwright?

01:04:36Guest:Yeah.

01:04:37Guest:And Michael C. Hall and Marissa Tomei replaced my part and Toni Collette replaced Johanna Day's part.

01:04:45Marc:Is it still running?

01:04:46Guest:No.

01:04:47Marc:Did it not take off?

01:04:48Guest:no it didn't it didn't um big cast it was a big cast but i think it was a small play and i i don't i don't even think it worked on it on a big stage so that so that got me a little nervous um so this career nervous and then that then that gets attached to age fear and talent fear and like what do i gotta do sensitivity because you work like a lot over the years over the years i have yeah over the years um

01:05:14Guest:But now I'm gonna work on my own material.

01:05:17Marc:Okay, so Woody Cassie in two days.

01:05:20Guest:Yeah, that's right.

01:05:21Marc:Now, what was the audition like?

01:05:23Guest:You kind of, you like go in shaking, you know, his hand with one hand and the other, your foot is out the door.

01:05:30Guest:It's like, hi, how are you?

01:05:33Marc:You're just like actor meat.

01:05:35Guest:Yeah.

01:05:36Guest:Juliette brought you here because there's a part in film that I'm shooting in Rhode Island.

01:05:45Marc:Impersonal or was it candid?

01:05:47Marc:And I'm like,

01:05:48Guest:I know I heard all about it it sounds amazing you're all jacked up oh my god Joaquin Phoenix he's incredible yeah it sounds great so I talked about Poland and maybe like four or five minutes we just talked a little bit and I ran out and that was it and you got the call yeah I got the call and you were like everything's good again

01:06:15Guest:You know what it did?

01:06:16Guest:It made me, I got the call in the dog run and I just, I burst into tears.

01:06:26Guest:I was like, I feel like such a gambler.

01:06:28Guest:Really?

01:06:29Guest:My life feels like, yeah, I'm gambling.

01:06:31Guest:That's the feeling?

01:06:31Guest:I have no, like, these jobs come out of nowhere, you know?

01:06:37Marc:But what's the alternative?

01:06:38Marc:I mean, you know, I mean, this is the way... I can't do anything else.

01:06:41Guest:Yeah.

01:06:43Guest:I'm stuck.

01:06:44Marc:No, you're not stuck.

01:06:45Marc:You're working.

01:06:45Marc:Yeah, I'm working.

01:06:48Marc:But it is kind of weird, though.

01:06:49Marc:Like, I'm just like, this is a crazy way to live now that I'm 45 or whatever.

01:06:54Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:06:55Marc:And you're like...

01:06:55Guest:There's no plan B. Yeah, that's right.

01:06:59Guest:I do have ideas, though.

01:07:01Guest:I have ideas of leaving the business.

01:07:03Marc:All right, we'll talk about them, and I can maybe guide you.

01:07:05Marc:No, no, I'd like to.

01:07:07Marc:Maybe I can either tell you yay or nay, or that's not a good idea, Parker Posey.

01:07:13Guest:I don't think that'll work.

01:07:14Marc:No, that seems crazy.

01:07:15Guest:You can keep that alive in your imagination if you want.

01:07:18Marc:I actually want to hear those, but I want to hear what it was like working with Joaquin.

01:07:21Marc:I hear he smokes a lot.

01:07:24Guest:Cigarettes, yeah.

01:07:26Guest:He does smoke.

01:07:27Marc:I talked to Paul Thomas Anderson.

01:07:29Marc:Both of them.

01:07:30Marc:Because Paul doesn't smoke much.

01:07:32Marc:But he said that when you're around Joaquin, you're like, you're going to smoke.

01:07:36Guest:Yep.

01:07:36Guest:You're going to smoke a pack a day.

01:07:38Guest:Oh, I just love his acting.

01:07:43Guest:You do.

01:07:46Guest:He's so idiosyncratic and sensitive.

01:07:51Marc:You guys seem like you'd be good together.

01:07:52Marc:You both seem very emotionally reactive and real.

01:07:57Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:07:58Marc:But was it lighthearted?

01:07:59Marc:It didn't seem like that heavy an undertaking.

01:08:04Guest:I can't, yeah, I can't talk about the movie.

01:08:07Guest:Oh, yeah?

01:08:07Guest:I'm not allowed.

01:08:08Guest:There's like some one-line thing that, yeah.

01:08:12Marc:Well, can you talk about acting with him?

01:08:14Guest:Um...

01:08:15Marc:How was it?

01:08:17Marc:Did you guys get along?

01:08:19Guest:Of course.

01:08:20Guest:Yes.

01:08:21Guest:So we're both really nervous about being in a Woody Allen movie.

01:08:24Guest:We're sweating all the time.

01:08:26Guest:I just broken my wrist.

01:08:29Guest:We met at the screen test.

01:08:31Guest:What?

01:08:31Marc:In going into it, was there any sort of aversion about the media accusations and the accusations from his kid and all that stuff?

01:08:40Marc:Did anyone think about that?

01:08:42Guest:No.

01:08:42Guest:Separate thing.

01:08:43Guest:Separate thing.

01:08:44Guest:And you know, he's been doing a movie a year for 40 years.

01:08:48Marc:I know.

01:08:49Marc:It's crazy.

01:08:49Marc:Some of them are good.

01:08:50Marc:Some of them are not so good.

01:08:51Marc:Right.

01:08:51Marc:Happens.

01:08:52Guest:Yeah.

01:08:53Guest:Life.

01:08:53Guest:He has a biographer on set that's been following him too.

01:08:58Guest:For 40 years?

01:08:58Guest:Yeah, named Eric Lacks.

01:09:00Guest:For 40 years?

01:09:00Guest:Yeah.

01:09:01Marc:Oh, Lacks already wrote a book on you.

01:09:03Marc:Yeah.

01:09:04Marc:Oh, he's back?

01:09:04Marc:Yeah, he was there.

01:09:05Guest:He's writing the second part two?

01:09:07Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:09:07Guest:No shit.

01:09:08Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:09:09Guest:So, Joaquin.

01:09:11Guest:Joaquin was great.

01:09:13Guest:You guys got along right away?

01:09:14Guest:Yeah, we got along right away.

01:09:16Guest:i i felt he felt like a brother to me he wasn't too far from from me you know yeah um so i felt very familial and uh you know there's something about him too you want to take care of him oh yeah yeah i can feel that yeah yeah i don't think i can i don't think i could step in and say are you okay do you need some food are you eating all right

01:09:40Guest:You know, he's a vegetarian.

01:09:41Guest:Is he?

01:09:41Guest:Yeah, he's a vegetarian.

01:09:42Guest:And he convinced his parents to become vegetarians when he was like a kid.

01:09:47Marc:Oh, yeah?

01:09:47Marc:Yeah.

01:09:48Marc:I've never met him.

01:09:49Guest:Stop eating meat.

01:09:50Marc:I saw him sleeping on a plane once.

01:09:51Marc:I didn't bother him.

01:09:52Marc:Yeah.

01:09:53Marc:It's not right.

01:09:53Guest:No.

01:09:54Guest:Wake up.

01:09:55Marc:Yeah.

01:09:55Marc:Hey, buddy.

01:09:55Guest:Hey.

01:09:56Guest:Just what I tell you, I'm a big fan.

01:09:57Marc:Yeah, yeah.

01:09:58Marc:I want to do a podcast sometimes.

01:09:59Marc:Don't go back to sleep.

01:10:01Guest:I'm not in first class a lot.

01:10:02Marc:I just got excited.

01:10:03Marc:I'm behind you.

01:10:04Guest:You pass him a note.

01:10:06Yeah.

01:10:06Guest:um yeah so i felt uh you know you only do like two or three or four takes usually what's it what's his directing does he just expect you to do it be there immediately yeah right

01:10:24Guest:so it's uh that can be kind of intense uh and then he also does this where he's he says you know what i wrote isn't very good if you want to add anything feel free oh really and you're like okay sure i'm feeling great you're like blah blah blah and then you hear

01:10:43Guest:That's terrible.

01:10:44Guest:Oh, really?

01:10:44Guest:That's what I heard, yeah.

01:10:45Guest:I was like, oh my God.

01:10:47Guest:I mean, sweat marks.

01:10:47Guest:I'm dying.

01:10:49Guest:I'm like, it's all good.

01:10:50Guest:I'll never act again.

01:10:51Guest:This is my last movie, so... So you did a little improvising and he was like, no.

01:10:57Guest:No, terrible.

01:10:58Guest:You're like, ah...

01:11:00Guest:So that was funny.

01:11:02Guest:And then what happened?

01:11:02Guest:Just like screaming and laughing.

01:11:06Guest:You know, he's so sardonic.

01:11:07Guest:He has such a wit.

01:11:09Marc:Yeah.

01:11:09Guest:And, you know, it's intense.

01:11:11Marc:It took a while to get it right or what?

01:11:13Marc:How'd you know you were...

01:11:15Guest:doing well you can just feel you can feel it you know you can just feel it you can feel it around you yeah when you've hit the right right the right tone and here's the other interesting thing it's like i was only given 20 pages of of the script so i only have my part oh really 115 page interesting that's the way he does it is that the way everybody gets it so that's kind of bizarre yeah i didn't know what kind of movie i was in uh all the way through

01:11:45Guest:Yeah, I mean, I got, you know, on the last day I started reading the script and, you know, sort of the script and I was like, I'm going to, like, look.

01:11:54Guest:Oh, really?

01:11:55Marc:You're not even supposed to look?

01:11:56Marc:That's an understanding?

01:11:57Marc:You're like, don't look at the story that you're part of telling?

01:12:01Guest:But, no, it was exciting.

01:12:05Guest:And, you know, he's the real deal.

01:12:08Guest:He's the real deal, Woody Allen.

01:12:10Guest:There's only few directors that have a career in this country of an auteur.

01:12:15Guest:So you know that you trust that process completely.

01:12:21Guest:You're not going to... Right.

01:12:24Guest:Excuse me, Mr. Allen.

01:12:25Guest:I don't know.

01:12:25Guest:Maybe I'll try this.

01:12:27Guest:What do you think?

01:12:27Guest:You know, none of that.

01:12:29Marc:Yeah.

01:12:30Guest:None of that.

01:12:30Guest:I mean, if you did, like, there would be, people would just be so, you know, look the other way.

01:12:37Guest:Yeah.

01:12:38Guest:Like, don't.

01:12:39Marc:The room clears and it's just you and Woody.

01:12:41Marc:Don't ever.

01:12:43Marc:She turns into Satan.

01:12:44Marc:What are you doing?

01:12:46Guest:But it was fun.

01:12:49Guest:It was really fun.

01:12:50Marc:Well, what other directors have you worked with that had that kind of impact where you knew you were dealing with a visionary?

01:12:54Marc:You worked with Hal Hartley, didn't you?

01:12:56Marc:How many movies did you do with him?

01:12:57Guest:I loved Hal, yeah.

01:12:57Marc:Did you do two or one?

01:12:58Guest:I've done like three, I think.

01:12:59Marc:Three of all those?

01:13:00Guest:The whole trilogy?

01:13:01Marc:Isn't he doing another one?

01:13:02Guest:Mm-hmm, he just did another one.

01:13:03Marc:Were you in it?

01:13:05Guest:Mm-hmm, briefly.

01:13:06Guest:Yeah, he raised his money on Kickstarter.

01:13:08Guest:It was the third installment.

01:13:12Guest:It was Henry Fool.

01:13:13Guest:And then I was in Fay Grimm.

01:13:14Guest:And the last one is Simon.

01:13:17Guest:Simon Grimm, my son.

01:13:19Guest:I have a few scenes in that.

01:13:21Guest:We shot them all in one day.

01:13:23Marc:Oh, really?

01:13:24Guest:18 pages of dialogue in one day.

01:13:26Marc:That's a lot.

01:13:26Guest:See, this is the thing about independent movies now.

01:13:29Guest:You know, it's.

01:13:30Marc:i know i do a tv show like that where i do you know nine to 15 pages wow you know it's crazy it's not a lot of time because and it's a budget thing so it's certainly not going to help you make more money no but you get to be in the movie but christopher guest is like that too i mean he's a real oh yeah yeah visionary i love working with great directors who else is in your mind

01:13:52Guest:Rick Linklater really stands out.

01:13:55Guest:Yeah.

01:13:56Marc:Oh, Jason Confused.

01:13:57Marc:That must have been so fun.

01:13:58Guest:Yeah.

01:13:59Marc:What a crazy time that was.

01:14:00Marc:I talked to him recently.

01:14:01Guest:He's got a real ease, you know.

01:14:02Marc:Well, he's a sweet guy.

01:14:03Marc:You know, he's like, you know, he's like really level.

01:14:06Marc:Yeah.

01:14:06Marc:Yeah, he's solid, man.

01:14:09Marc:But okay, let's talk about as we come in for landing here.

01:14:13Guest:We're landing now.

01:14:14Guest:Almost.

01:14:15Marc:What, do you want?

01:14:15Marc:I'll talk more.

01:14:16Marc:I'll spend the day with you.

01:14:17Guest:No, that's all right.

01:14:17Marc:I don't give a fuck.

01:14:20Marc:I'll move in.

01:14:21Marc:Where are we going?

01:14:22Marc:i'm ready for a change yeah it's hard to walk around with mics people always look at you just two people walking around mics but we can have you ever tried that i have i did it walking with yeah with that's a good idea with um it's a little it's a little weird it's a little hard to manage yeah but i did it with a comic in san antonio i think we went outdoors i did a car interview with maria bamford and

01:14:47Guest:Wow, you've interviewed everyone.

01:14:49Guest:And now Terry Gross.

01:14:50Marc:Do you know Bamford?

01:14:51Guest:No.

01:14:51Marc:You should check her shit out.

01:14:52Marc:You would love her.

01:14:54Guest:What's her name again?

01:14:55Marc:Maria Bamford.

01:14:56Guest:Okay.

01:14:57Marc:You would love her.

01:14:58Guest:Is she a comedian?

01:14:58Marc:Yes, but she's a genius.

01:15:01Guest:Is she a storyteller?

01:15:02Marc:She's just, you don't even understand what's happening.

01:15:04Guest:Oh, that's great.

01:15:06Marc:You'll be like, what's happening?

01:15:08Guest:Even better.

01:15:09Marc:Oh, no, you got to watch it.

01:15:11Marc:All right, so what are these other business ideas?

01:15:14Guest:I don't want to talk about business.

01:15:15Marc:No, no, I want to know what the big ideas are.

01:15:17Guest:No, it's too much.

01:15:18Guest:I'd rather keep it in the bottle now.

01:15:21Marc:I was excited to slam some of your life goals.

01:15:25Guest:It's kind of complex and has various parts to it.

01:15:29Marc:Big point.

01:15:30Marc:Empire building?

01:15:31Guest:Yeah.

01:15:32Marc:Oh, yeah?

01:15:34Marc:Does it deal with like a scent or lotions of...

01:15:37Guest:Oh, it could, maybe.

01:15:41Marc:Like your own line of things, like turmeric-based?

01:15:44Guest:Turmeric?

01:15:44Marc:Turmeric?

01:15:45Marc:Turmeric?

01:15:46Guest:Turmeric.

01:15:48Guest:Yeah?

01:15:49Guest:Yeah, I won't go into it, because you know what?

01:15:51Marc:What?

01:15:51Marc:You don't want me to ruin it?

01:15:53Marc:You're really hanging on to this thing?

01:15:55Marc:It's like you're protecting it so it doesn't get dirty with other people's opinions of it?

01:16:00Guest:That's right, that's right.

01:16:01Marc:The dream?

01:16:01Marc:You're protecting your dream of your way out of show business.

01:16:06Marc:Is that what you're doing?

01:16:08Guest:Well, it's not, it's, it's like new, it's, it's new.

01:16:10Guest:I'm, I'm interested in like a new, there's a new form.

01:16:13Guest:Oh yeah.

01:16:14Guest:I think.

01:16:15Guest:Okay.

01:16:15Guest:Um, how people like this podcast, what you're doing.

01:16:19Guest:Storytelling.

01:16:20Guest:Storytelling.

01:16:21Guest:Yeah.

01:16:22Guest:So, uh, I miss a lot of things about acting that I don't see a lot anymore.

01:16:29Guest:Like, um,

01:16:33Guest:ease, slowness, wit.

01:16:36Guest:Yeah.

01:16:37Marc:Um, how about risks?

01:16:39Guest:Yeah.

01:16:40Guest:And, uh, nuance, uh,

01:16:45Guest:Are you about to yawn?

01:16:46Guest:No, I just burped.

01:16:46Guest:You're stifling a yawn.

01:16:48Guest:No, I burped.

01:16:48Marc:Stifled a burp.

01:16:49Guest:I miss yawning.

01:16:50Guest:Don't you want to just watch people yawn?

01:16:52Marc:I do.

01:16:52Marc:Sometimes I watch people yawn.

01:16:54Marc:I'm like, why are they yawning?

01:16:56Marc:There's some yawns.

01:16:57Marc:I have theories about it.

01:16:59Guest:Okay.

01:17:00Marc:I think some yawns when you're talking to somebody and they do that yawn where...

01:17:04Marc:where it doesn't look like a tired yawn, but it's some other thing, they're gasping for air.

01:17:08Marc:You're draining them.

01:17:10Marc:This yawn where they're like, oh, I'm sorry.

01:17:14Marc:That one, that's a bad yawn.

01:17:16Marc:Because it's not tired.

01:17:17Marc:It's sort of like they're trying to get out.

01:17:19Guest:Yeah.

01:17:19Marc:It's hostage yawn.

01:17:20Marc:I gotta get out of here.

01:17:23Marc:I don't know what's happening.

01:17:26Marc:Yeah, that's a bad yawn.

01:17:28Marc:I have to go to the bathroom.

01:17:29Marc:Well, we should stop.

01:17:30Guest:Let's stop.

01:17:31Guest:Can we say goodbye now?

01:17:33Okay, bye.

01:17:34Bye.

01:17:39Marc:Lovely chat with Parker Posey and her dog, Gracie.

01:17:42Marc:Present.

01:17:44Marc:Present.

01:17:46Marc:All right, so you got all the tour dates.

01:17:48Marc:Go to WTFPod.com and get some coffee.

01:17:52Marc:Get on the mailing list.

01:17:53Marc:I'll send you an email.

01:17:55Marc:Enjoy some merch.

01:17:56Marc:There'll be more merch coming, more posters.

01:17:59Marc:And now I'm going to take a shame nap.

01:18:02Marc:Okay.

01:18:04Marc:New York City.

01:18:05Marc:Boomer lives.

01:18:06Marc:Boomer lives.

01:18:20you