Episode 560 - Adam Goldberg

Episode 560 • Released December 17, 2014 • Speakers detected

00:00:00Guest:Lock the gates!

00:00:09Guest:All right, let's do this.

00:00:10Guest:How are you?

00:00:10Guest:What the fuckers?

00:00:11Guest:What the fuck buddies?

00:00:12Guest:What the fucking years?

00:00:13Guest:What the fuck stickers?

00:00:15Guest:What the fuck stickers?

00:00:16Guest:Have I said that before?

00:00:17Marc:Anyway, welcome to the show.

00:00:19Marc:I am Mark Maron.

00:00:20Marc:This is WTF.

00:00:20Marc:Thank you for listening.

00:00:22Marc:What a year it's been, huh?

00:00:23Marc:I've got no list of things to share with you.

00:00:25Marc:I've got no best ofs.

00:00:27Marc:I've got no breakdowns.

00:00:29Marc:I don't really believe in lists that much, except when I'm on them towards the top.

00:00:33Marc:Then then all of a sudden I'm very excited about any list.

00:00:37Marc:But other than that, I'm not really a list guy.

00:00:39Marc:My guest today, Renaissance man, Adam Goldberg.

00:00:43Marc:You may know him as a musician, as a photographer.

00:00:46Marc:Perhaps best you know him as an actor from Saving Private Ryan or Dazed and Confused.

00:00:50Marc:But to me, he's just another nutty, half-Jewish guy.

00:00:54Marc:We had a good time talking.

00:00:56Marc:You'll enjoy it.

00:00:57Marc:Okay, good.

00:00:59Marc:What have I been doing?

00:01:00Marc:I've been, you know, hold on a minute.

00:01:02Marc:I'm going to go get a book.

00:01:05Marc:Drew Friedman, he's going to be on the show soon.

00:01:09Marc:Drew Friedman, I do not know if you know Drew Friedman, but he's a genius illustrator, a genius comic artist.

00:01:19Marc:I think the first time I saw his work was, hold on, what was that called?

00:01:24Marc:It was any similarities to persons living or dead is purely coincidental, which he wrote with his brother, Josh Allen Friedman.

00:01:31Marc:Their dad is Bruce J. Friedman, the amazingly brilliant, dark short story writer from the 70s.

00:01:38Marc:Warts and all, he also wrote with his brother.

00:01:41Marc:Private lives of public figures.

00:01:42Marc:Old Jewish comedians, one, two and three.

00:01:45Marc:But this one is new.

00:01:46Marc:If you're a comic fan, Heroes of the Comics, Portraits of the Legends of Comic Books.

00:01:52Marc:This is a nice Christmas gift.

00:01:53Marc:This is Drew Friedman.

00:01:54Marc:Great comic artist.

00:01:57Marc:And he wrote all these little pieces on people like Max Gaines, Harry Chesler, Sheldon Mayer, Craig Vessel, Jerry Iger, Will Eisner.

00:02:07Marc:Al Jaffe, Stan Lee, all these people that I know very little about, but you comic heads.

00:02:13Marc:It's a beautiful, Mort Drucker, Mad Magazine, folks.

00:02:16Marc:Am I right?

00:02:18Marc:It's a beautiful book.

00:02:20Marc:So if you want to pick that up, Drew Friedman's Heroes of the Comics.

00:02:25Marc:uh it's got a forward by al jaffe al jaffe who changed my life through mad magazine did mad magazine change your life changed my fucking life anyways love drew friedman i did talk to him that interview is forthcoming everything's all right i'm trying to not cry i'm trying to accept myself and others trying to put love out into the world oh my god

00:02:50Marc:It's screener time.

00:02:51Marc:I'm a member of several unions, and some of those unions have awards.

00:02:56Marc:I get these screeners because I'm a voting member of this or that.

00:02:59Marc:I watched Still Alice with Julianne Moore about the woman who gets early onset Alzheimer's.

00:03:06Marc:She's the fucking best actor in the world.

00:03:10Marc:Oh, my God.

00:03:11Marc:I've always thought this.

00:03:12Marc:I want to talk to her so bad.

00:03:14Marc:I want to talk to her.

00:03:15Marc:So do you know that like years ago, I guest hosted four episodes of later when they were looking for a replacement for Greg Kinnear.

00:03:25Marc:And I just always so badly wanted to interview Julianne Moore.

00:03:28Marc:I was terrible at interviewing.

00:03:29Marc:But the people I ended up interviewing, who did I end up in?

00:03:31Marc:Was it?

00:03:32Marc:What's that comedian's name?

00:03:33Marc:Jessica.

00:03:34Marc:Oh, shit.

00:03:34Marc:Lisa Ann Walter.

00:03:35Marc:Robert Loggia.

00:03:38Marc:David O. Russell, Roger Ebert.

00:03:44Marc:Those are the four I ended up interviewing.

00:03:47Marc:but I never got to talk to Julianne Moore.

00:03:49Marc:Anyways, Still Alice is a profoundly moving little movie that I was watching with Sarah, the gal I'm dating, and it was one of those movies, like, I think Americans have sort of a, they really need their movies to end well.

00:04:03Marc:They really need their, because I've heard that some people are like, I'm not sure about that movie.

00:04:07Marc:There's no reason not to think that's a great movie other than the fact is it's about a woman with early onset Alzheimer's, and there's no way it can end well.

00:04:16Marc:In some respects.

00:04:18Marc:See, that's the twist of that movie.

00:04:20Marc:Because I'm midway through that movie and I'm saying, like, do we even need to watch this?

00:04:25Marc:But I want to watch Julianne Moore.

00:04:26Marc:But, like, this is brutal.

00:04:28Marc:You know, Alec Baldwin's in it and there's a great supporting cast.

00:04:30Marc:But where it goes at the end and what it takes you through as she deteriorates with this disease is profoundly human.

00:04:39Marc:And the way this thing ends is so perfectly poetic.

00:04:42Yeah.

00:04:42Marc:that it's celebration of humanity through this trying, tragic story.

00:04:53Marc:It really flipped my mind.

00:04:55Marc:I really, after that movie, after I watched her, her performance is spectacular.

00:05:00Marc:But the way that button at the end, the way it ended, I was sort of like, you know what?

00:05:06Marc:You know, life is what it is.

00:05:07Marc:And it doesn't end well for anybody.

00:05:12Marc:Maybe if you're lucky, you go quick.

00:05:15Marc:But it's a very human thing dying.

00:05:17Marc:There's nothing you can do to stop it.

00:05:20Marc:But it is part of it.

00:05:22Marc:It's part of the journey.

00:05:23Marc:But see it.

00:05:25Marc:Julianne Moore is amazing.

00:05:27Marc:I went and saw Inherent Vice.

00:05:31Marc:Paul Thomas Anderson's film.

00:05:32Marc:Loved it.

00:05:33Marc:Don't know what anyone's problem with this is.

00:05:36Marc:It's based on a Thomas Pynchon book.

00:05:38Marc:I believe Thomas Pynchon had a hand in the creating and writing of it.

00:05:41Marc:Paul Thomas Anderson is a genius.

00:05:45Marc:Even when he's inconsistent, he's still a genius.

00:05:48Marc:But man, this movie was a journey.

00:05:50Marc:A sort of kind of lyrical, poetic, half-hallucinated jaunt.

00:05:59Marc:through the transition from the 60s to the 70s, with all the layers of crazy, pinching-esque bullshit, all the paranoid, weird connections, that he invented it.

00:06:12Marc:I guess it's a private eye movie.

00:06:14Marc:I don't think it fucking matters what kind of movie it is.

00:06:17Marc:It's just layered and funny and bizarre and loaded with...

00:06:24Marc:With the real guts of what the United States was like at that moment.

00:06:32Marc:And I have a hard time understanding it.

00:06:34Marc:And I think, hopefully, I'll get to talk to Paul Thomas Anderson.

00:06:38Marc:I think that might happen.

00:06:40Marc:That's all I'm going to say.

00:06:41Marc:That's all I'm going to give you.

00:06:42Marc:And like any of his movies, I'm going to have to see it another four times.

00:06:45Marc:Did I mention Adam Goldberg was on the show?

00:06:48Marc:What do we got to do now?

00:06:49Marc:Let's talk to Adam Goldberg.

00:06:51Marc:Should we?

00:06:52Guest:What do you use over there?

00:07:02Guest:In here?

00:07:03Guest:Right here?

00:07:04Guest:What?

00:07:04Guest:What do you record into?

00:07:06Guest:Into the computer.

00:07:08Guest:I really, I thought this was going to be a reel-to-reel thing, because I really, I really assumed.

00:07:12Marc:You thought I was really full-on analog.

00:07:14Guest:Yeah, this is disappointing.

00:07:16Guest:Yeah, I'm sorry.

00:07:17Marc:No, I was like, no, is it Pro Tools or what?

00:07:19Marc:No, it's GarageBand.

00:07:20Marc:All right, all right.

00:07:21Marc:That would have been hilarious.

00:07:23Marc:Check, check, the reel-to-reel's going.

00:07:26Marc:Yeah.

00:07:26Marc:So wait, so you go, where'd you go, Germany?

00:07:29Guest:Palm Springs.

00:07:30Guest:Oh, you mean like a couple years ago?

00:07:31Marc:What was the performance thing?

00:07:33Guest:Oh, right, okay, so I briefly had a record label called P.S., Play It Again Sam.

00:07:39Guest:You have a lot of big ideas, Adam.

00:07:43Guest:I do have a lot of big ideas.

00:07:45Marc:Yeah, Execution, yeah.

00:07:46Marc:This is the Goldberg sisters at Play It Again Sam.

00:07:50Marc:Play It Again Sam records is your record label.

00:07:53Guest:That's not my label.

00:07:55Guest:That's the label that picked up that record and made me go to Europe.

00:07:58Marc:And this is the most recent one, Stranger's Mind.

00:08:01Guest:That's the one I would say I'm arguably most proud of, just because that was the one.

00:08:04Guest:It's, to me, the most cohesive and personal.

00:08:08Guest:Well, I played everything on it.

00:08:10Guest:So by that alone, and all the songs were written in the same general time frame, whereas the other things were almost more gathering material over a period of years and playing with different musicians.

00:08:19Guest:But the last one was all sort of me in the course of a year.

00:08:23Marc:So the Germans here, which one?

00:08:25Wow.

00:08:25Guest:Why do you keep thinking it was German?

00:08:27Marc:I don't know, didn't you go tour?

00:08:28Guest:Yeah, no.

00:08:30Guest:Didn't you just say something?

00:08:31Guest:Did I go to Germany?

00:08:32Guest:Yeah.

00:08:32Marc:I thought you said somebody bought you gear that you needed to.

00:08:35Guest:I did, it's just funny that you think it's Germany.

00:08:38Guest:I think I just said Europe.

00:08:40Marc:I think it's a Saving Private Ryan thing.

00:08:44Guest:It is true that I am fixated with Germany, but you couldn't have known that.

00:08:48Guest:Maybe I could have.

00:08:49Guest:Now you could have.

00:08:49Marc:How long have you been fixated with Germany?

00:08:51Guest:I don't know that I'm fixated.

00:08:52Guest:But I did go to Berlin and I did feel haunted by it.

00:08:54Marc:Really?

00:08:55Marc:I did, yeah.

00:08:55Marc:And why?

00:08:56Guest:Because- Well, I went there, I took a very- Well, there's two reasons why.

00:08:59Guest:I mean, first of all, I went there to visit the ex-girlfriend who thought Prague Rock was music made in Prague.

00:09:06Marc:Was from Berlin?

00:09:07Guest:No, no, no.

00:09:07Guest:But she was working on a motion picture there.

00:09:10Marc:Yeah, a movie.

00:09:11Guest:Right.

00:09:12Guest:And so- What?

00:09:14What?

00:09:14Guest:I thought if I thinly veiled what it was by calling it a motion picture.

00:09:18Guest:How about a film?

00:09:19Guest:It was hardly a film.

00:09:21Guest:Really?

00:09:22Marc:Not to disparage the... The upcoming filmmakers?

00:09:25Guest:Yeah.

00:09:25Marc:By calling your ex-girlfriend's movie in Berlin?

00:09:28Guest:Yeah.

00:09:28Guest:Barely a film?

00:09:29Guest:No, it was a... Doesn't matter.

00:09:30Guest:The point is...

00:09:31Guest:I don't know if it doesn't matter.

00:09:33Guest:It does matter.

00:09:34Guest:But I was going because the last time I didn't visit her on a film set, she broke up with me from the film set.

00:09:40Guest:And in this case, she broke up with me anyway when she got back on the way back from the airport.

00:09:45Guest:But you made the effort.

00:09:46Guest:I did make the effort.

00:09:46Guest:I have a horrible fear of flying.

00:09:48Guest:Do you?

00:09:50Guest:Horrendous.

00:09:51Guest:I'm a horrendous flyer.

00:09:53Guest:For how long?

00:09:53Guest:I even had to bring a buddy.

00:09:55Guest:You're not going to take notes.

00:09:56Guest:For how long?

00:09:57Guest:Since around 13 or 14.

00:09:59Guest:Around the time I became anxious.

00:10:01Guest:But how do you function?

00:10:01Guest:Horribly.

00:10:02Guest:I function horribly.

00:10:03Guest:You're anxious like now?

00:10:06Guest:Not as bad as if we were doing this on a plane.

00:10:10Guest:But not great.

00:10:12Marc:I suggested that to my assistant.

00:10:14Marc:I don't know how Adam feels about this.

00:10:15Marc:It's weird.

00:10:16Marc:Could we take a commuter?

00:10:17Marc:If he's going to bring all this gear, we should rent a plane.

00:10:20Guest:We should get...

00:10:20Guest:She'd go to San Francisco.

00:10:21Guest:Charter one.

00:10:22Marc:Charter of Plane for Adam to record on.

00:10:24Marc:I think that's probably the next record.

00:10:26Guest:It is the next step.

00:10:26Marc:It's about your fear of flying and your attempt to overcome it by recording in the air.

00:10:31Guest:It's that Erika Zhang book.

00:10:32Guest:What is it?

00:10:32Guest:Fear of Flying.

00:10:33Guest:It'll be my musical interpretation of it.

00:10:36Marc:But the anxiety thing, that's ongoing.

00:10:38Guest:Since only about the age of 13.

00:10:40Guest:Oh, before that, everything was great?

00:10:42Guest:Everything was pretty good.

00:10:43Guest:No, I don't think it was, but I don't think I was aware of the fact that it wasn't.

00:10:47Marc:Oh, you don't remember?

00:10:48Guest:Yeah, I start looking back.

00:10:49Guest:I was like, oh, there were signs.

00:10:50Guest:I had headaches every day when I was nine years old, but of course, I had no self-awareness.

00:10:54Marc:Right, no, of course.

00:10:55Marc:All right, so wait, let's work backwards.

00:10:57Guest:So I went to Berlin.

00:10:58Marc:You went to Berlin.

00:10:59Marc:The reason why you were haunted by it, you'd been there before to chase down this girl and try to make that work after you blew it before.

00:11:06Marc:And she was working on a film that is not really to be spoken of.

00:11:11Guest:No, we shouldn't speak of the film, but we should know.

00:11:15Guest:Never speak of it.

00:11:16Guest:Never speak of it.

00:11:18Guest:So I went for that and actually thought the place was really fascinating.

00:11:24Guest:But I took a very dark bent, I think.

00:11:26Guest:I took basically the sort of...

00:11:31Guest:It took a very historical, it was a very historical vacation, historically bent vacation.

00:11:36Guest:In other words, I went to, I was like, where's the nearest concentration camp?

00:11:39Marc:You said that to somebody?

00:11:40Marc:Like, I don't care which one, where did Jews die?

00:11:43Guest:Basically, I looked in the Fromers, and I was like, where's the closest concentration camp?

00:11:46Guest:Because we're not going to go for five hours.

00:11:48Marc:We're not going to go to Poland.

00:11:49Guest:We're in Germany, they have them here.

00:11:50Guest:Exactly.

00:11:51Guest:exactly which actually I wasn't really I didn't know how many there are there well there's one that's right outside of Berlin which was an early one no can't remember the name oh an early one a very early one we're honing there it was it was very it was the early you don't remember the name I don't know I want to make it I don't remember the name

00:12:06Marc:You just needed to go someplace where Jews died.

00:12:08Guest:I did.

00:12:09Guest:A lot of Jews.

00:12:09Guest:On mass, yeah.

00:12:10Guest:Right.

00:12:11Guest:And it was upsetting.

00:12:13Marc:Yeah.

00:12:14Marc:It was also- Imagine if you went to Auschwitz.

00:12:15Marc:I mean, this was a smart one.

00:12:16Guest:I wanted to go to Auschwitz.

00:12:18Guest:We wanted to.

00:12:18Guest:We couldn't fit it in.

00:12:20Guest:Right.

00:12:20Guest:I became then obsessed about, I wanted to see the mall.

00:12:22Guest:I don't want to go to the big one, you know?

00:12:24Marc:How many are there?

00:12:24Marc:Like 12?

00:12:25Guest:I don't know.

00:12:26Guest:I'm not an expert.

00:12:27Guest:Although Netflix thinks I am because every fucking time I log on, they suggest... And literally, now they suggest Human Lampshade.

00:12:34Guest:I'm not kidding you.

00:12:36Guest:Is that a movie?

00:12:37Guest:There's some fucking documentary about the...

00:12:40Marc:Whether it really is a reality or not?

00:12:42Guest:Yes, exactly.

00:12:43Marc:And is it?

00:12:43Guest:I wouldn't watch it.

00:12:44Guest:I actually started to.

00:12:45Guest:I turned it off.

00:12:46Guest:It was about three in the morning.

00:12:47Marc:Because that's one of those myths that we heard when we were in Hebrew school.

00:12:50Guest:I don't know how Jewish you are.

00:12:52Guest:That's what they're trying to do.

00:12:53Guest:I went to Jewish day school.

00:12:55Guest:Yeah.

00:12:56Guest:First of all, my mother wasn't Jewish.

00:12:57Guest:Right.

00:12:58Guest:But I went to Jewish day school.

00:13:00Marc:Well, you know what that means, right?

00:13:01Guest:Yeah, but my penis is Jewish.

00:13:03Guest:But your dad is very Jewish.

00:13:06Guest:My dad isn't, although over the years, he's become, I feel like, increasingly Jewish.

00:13:12Guest:Like, this was a man who does not know how to operate his email, yet somehow manages to forward me, almost on a weekly basis, some kind of Zionist propaganda.

00:13:20Marc:Yeah, my dad's like that too.

00:13:21Marc:I got one today.

00:13:22Marc:Did you get one today about the shield?

00:13:23Guest:no no but i mean i don't know if they're in the same loop or not but i started finally sending sending rebuttals back because it was getting to be a barrage and i have a good relationship with my dad you know and but he was never do you know what i mean like i never thought i thought he was jewish like me jewish you know what triggers it like if they don't get triggered by uh some need to connect with a spiritual thing they become very loyal to israel

00:13:47Guest:Is that what it is?

00:13:48Marc:Yeah.

00:13:49Marc:I don't know why.

00:13:49Guest:But it's also- I mean, I do know why because- It's happy and it's like, I don't get invited to, ironically, right?

00:13:55Guest:Because I'm considered quite Jewish or I'm considered, you know what I mean?

00:13:59Guest:People who know me- You did that to yourself.

00:14:02Guest:Well, I think I have another point of view on that, but I mean, I think it was done to me a little bit.

00:14:11Guest:I mean, like sort of in vitro, but-

00:14:14Guest:The point is that I never get invited to seders.

00:14:19Guest:I always want to.

00:14:20Guest:I don't either.

00:14:21Marc:Never.

00:14:21Marc:My mother's Jewish and I don't get invited.

00:14:24Marc:Nobody invites me.

00:14:25Guest:But my dad is very happy this, happy that, happy blah, blah, blah.

00:14:29Guest:And this shit, I swear to you, did not.

00:14:31Guest:I didn't get a bar mitzvah.

00:14:32Guest:They didn't give a fuck.

00:14:32Marc:Right.

00:14:34Marc:But now he wants to feel connected.

00:14:36Guest:He found Israel.

00:14:37Guest:I would say he didn't find God.

00:14:38Guest:He found Israel.

00:14:38Marc:That's right.

00:14:39Marc:I think that happens.

00:14:40Marc:He's probably Republican now.

00:14:42Guest:He started to move further to the center or not, but then he moved back after.

00:14:45Guest:It took the entire first Bush Jr.

00:14:49Guest:term.

00:14:50Marc:The second one or the first one?

00:14:51Guest:Second Bush.

00:14:52Marc:Yeah.

00:14:52Guest:But it took his entire term... For him to... To move back to the center left.

00:14:57Guest:Right.

00:14:57Guest:Because he was going right over... He was in Iraq with Bush, basically.

00:15:01Marc:Well, 9-11 fucked a lot of people's heads up.

00:15:03Guest:I guess so.

00:15:04Guest:Yeah.

00:15:04Guest:And he just kept moving further and further and further to the right, and it was just to the point where you couldn't even... I couldn't have a conversation with him.

00:15:11Guest:And now it's this... You know, Obama was just like, I mean, you can't... Oh, you know, it was...

00:15:18Guest:No, I mean, it was like the second coming for him.

00:15:20Guest:I mean, it was so confusing.

00:15:22Guest:Politically, I love the man, anyway.

00:15:23Guest:So you grew up here?

00:15:25Guest:I grew up in Los Angeles, yeah.

00:15:27Guest:The whole time?

00:15:28Guest:Yeah, I moved.

00:15:29Guest:You got brothers and sisters?

00:15:31Guest:Well, my father and my stepmother, when I was in my 20s, had two daughters.

00:15:37Marc:So you have 20-year-old half-siblings?

00:15:40Guest:Basically, yeah, teenager and teenagers.

00:15:45Marc:That's interesting.

00:15:46Guest:Yeah, yeah.

00:15:47Guest:Yeah, I mean, it's kind of- And your mom is where?

00:15:50Guest:She's in Topanga Canyon.

00:15:52Guest:She's a therapist, psychotherapist.

00:15:54Guest:What kind of therapist?

00:15:55Guest:A psychotherapist, a therapist for psychos.

00:15:57Guest:Okay.

00:15:58Guest:A psychologist.

00:15:59Guest:A psychologist.

00:15:59Guest:She has a PhD.

00:16:00Guest:Not a psychiatrist.

00:16:01Marc:So she has people come over, she has a practice, and she's got regular customers, and she lives in a nice house, and the office is in the house.

00:16:09Shh.

00:16:09Guest:She does have a home, but the home office thing is very recent.

00:16:13Guest:Oh, really?

00:16:14Guest:Yeah, she mainly had a... She has an office in Santa Monica and in her place.

00:16:19Guest:She's always been a therapist.

00:16:21Guest:Not really, no, no.

00:16:23Guest:That's new.

00:16:25Guest:She was a showgirl.

00:16:27Guest:She wasn't.

00:16:27Guest:No.

00:16:28Guest:But she was a... When she met my dad, I think she was...

00:16:32Guest:No, my mother's going to fucking kill me.

00:16:34Guest:She won't hear it.

00:16:35Guest:No, no, no.

00:16:35Guest:She'll hear everything.

00:16:36Guest:She's probably hearing this now.

00:16:38Guest:Somehow.

00:16:39Guest:Not live.

00:16:40Marc:The mother that you've implanted in your brain is hearing it, and she's doing a very good job.

00:16:44Guest:No, no, no.

00:16:45Guest:But we went out of town over the weekend.

00:16:47Guest:Yeah.

00:16:48Guest:You and your mom?

00:16:49Guest:My girlfriend and I, and this couple that we know well.

00:16:53Marc:You travel with couples?

00:16:54Guest:Not usually.

00:16:55Guest:Not usually.

00:16:55Guest:How'd that go for you?

00:16:56Guest:But we wanted to try the swinging thing, because it's like we're a few years into the...

00:17:00Guest:No, no, they're a nice couple.

00:17:03Guest:My girlfriend's business partner.

00:17:05Marc:Do you know how to do that?

00:17:06Marc:Swinging?

00:17:07Marc:No, not swinging.

00:17:07Marc:Anyone can do that, kind of.

00:17:09Marc:But I mean, do you know how to sort of like, oh, we're going to spend a weekend with another couple?

00:17:13Guest:Yeah, I have to tell you, I was, well, as I am about most things, I was a little anxious, but it turned out fine.

00:17:20Guest:It turned out lovely, actually.

00:17:21Guest:It was nice.

00:17:22Guest:And we had sort of done it before with a different couple at the same house in Palm Springs.

00:17:26Marc:You had a nice grown-up time.

00:17:27Guest:So...

00:17:28Guest:Well, I pretended to be a grown-up, and they were actual grown-ups.

00:17:30Guest:I cooked once, but I fucking went into a full panic, and I tried to conceal it.

00:17:34Marc:What kind of panic?

00:17:36Guest:I didn't have enough sauce.

00:17:38Guest:I had made too much pasta for the amount of sauce.

00:17:42Guest:They wanted to help out in the kitchen at the same time, and I didn't want to say, no, no, no, no, don't.

00:17:46Guest:But really, it makes me fucking insane.

00:17:47Marc:When there's someone there?

00:17:49Guest:Now they're going to hear this.

00:17:50Marc:What are you talking about?

00:17:51Marc:You don't think your girlfriend knows this about you?

00:17:53Marc:She knows this.

00:17:54Guest:The other couple?

00:17:55Guest:Clark and Lauren don't.

00:17:55Guest:But look, they know I'm crazy.

00:17:57Guest:Now we know.

00:17:57Guest:They know I'm crazy.

00:17:58Marc:I don't know if you're crazy.

00:17:59Marc:Are you crazy or just like a little neurotic and anxious?

00:18:02Guest:Oh, I don't think I'm crazy, no.

00:18:04Guest:No.

00:18:04Guest:No, no.

00:18:05Guest:I mean, I don't think I'm... No, no.

00:18:07Guest:I don't hear voices.

00:18:09Guest:Right.

00:18:09Guest:Except when I'm sleeping, which I... When I actually... Do you hear voices?

00:18:12Guest:I have hypnagogic hallucinations.

00:18:13Guest:Hypnagogic?

00:18:14Guest:Yeah.

00:18:16Guest:Hypnagogic.

00:18:16Guest:You had to look that up?

00:18:18Guest:No, I didn't.

00:18:18Guest:Well, I had to look it up because, yeah, I had to look up what it was.

00:18:22Guest:In fact, I learned about it.

00:18:23Guest:What does that mean?

00:18:24Guest:It's like, you know when people say they've been abducted and they describe that sensation?

00:18:27Guest:That's all they're describing.

00:18:29Guest:So that's what happens to you when you sleep?

00:18:30Guest:Yeah, but I don't go around saying I've been abducted.

00:18:32Guest:Were you?

00:18:33Guest:No.

00:18:34Guest:My point is I'm working backwards here.

00:18:37Marc:I think that they- I don't know if we're working in any timeline.

00:18:40Marc:Backwards would be impressive, but I-

00:18:43Guest:I think that people, when they say they've been- I think we're trying to land somewhere is what's happening.

00:18:50Guest:I think when they say they've been abducted.

00:18:52Guest:Right.

00:18:53Guest:Oh yeah, back to Palm Springs.

00:18:54Guest:So my mother texts me, how's the eggplant Parmesan?

00:18:57Guest:My point being is that I had one point, I told my mother that Lauren,

00:19:01Guest:Yeah.

00:19:03Guest:One of the members of the couple.

00:19:05Guest:Yeah.

00:19:05Guest:A female member of the couple.

00:19:06Guest:Right, Clark and Warren.

00:19:07Guest:Made an amazing eggplant parmesan.

00:19:08Guest:Okay.

00:19:08Guest:And how that was interesting because I don't like eggplant or eggplant parmesan, but I love hers.

00:19:13Marc:Wow.

00:19:13Marc:What do you think it was?

00:19:14Marc:Is it because sometimes the eggplant, if it's not cooked all the way through, it's very... She makes it real flat and fried or something like that.

00:19:18Marc:But soft, right?

00:19:19Marc:Though, I mean... I can't remember.

00:19:21Marc:I had it once, and it's just... Well, what was your experience that turned you on in?

00:19:24Guest:The point was I remember enjoying it.

00:19:26Guest:I obviously mentioned this to my mother, and as soon as we land in Palm Springs, I get this text from my mom...

00:19:31Guest:How's the eggplant parmesan?

00:19:32Guest:You know, something along those lines.

00:19:33Guest:So when I said to you, oh, she's going to hear this.

00:19:36Guest:Oh, no, she's not going to hear this.

00:19:37Guest:I said, she's hearing it now.

00:19:39Guest:That's what I meant.

00:19:40Guest:She knew you had it.

00:19:41Guest:Hypnogaga hallucination.

00:19:42Guest:So that's like an alpha state.

00:19:46Guest:You're half asleep.

00:19:47Guest:Right.

00:19:47Guest:And you hear things.

00:19:48Guest:And you're aware that you're asleep.

00:19:50Guest:And you can't do anything about it.

00:19:53Guest:And some people who've described- I think that's called date rape.

00:19:56Yeah.

00:19:56Guest:Yeah, basically what's happened is I've been roofied a series of times by various family members and I'm having some PTSD.

00:20:04Marc:And they're forcing you to listen to them.

00:20:06Marc:Yeah, that's right.

00:20:06Guest:That's exactly right.

00:20:07Guest:That's right.

00:20:08Guest:What is that moaning, that sort of fucking sound?

00:20:12Guest:Because I don't remember dreaming that.

00:20:15Guest:So people who have lucid dreams.

00:20:18Guest:Yeah.

00:20:20Marc:I've been having them lately.

00:20:21Guest:And you can control your dream.

00:20:23Guest:So it's very similar, but you're not really visualizing anything.

00:20:26Guest:And you're hearing things.

00:20:27Guest:And I've done things.

00:20:28Guest:People have had out-of-body experiences.

00:20:30Guest:So I told a friend about this many, many years ago.

00:20:32Guest:I had one of those.

00:20:33Guest:You?

00:20:34Guest:All the time.

00:20:35Marc:You have them all the time?

00:20:36Marc:Are you here now?

00:20:37Guest:I'm here right now, but when I'm sleeping.

00:20:39Marc:Yeah.

00:20:39Guest:And it depends, if you're overtired is usually when it is.

00:20:42Guest:Right.

00:20:43Guest:So years ago I told a friend of mine about these states I had, and I was hearing this drilling sound, and I felt like I was being sort of bored into the bed, like I was going, somehow driven into the bed beneath me.

00:20:55Guest:And it was horrifying, I was terrified.

00:20:57Guest:And it was around it was the year I went to college.

00:21:00Guest:I say the year because I dropped out the following year.

00:21:02Guest:Right.

00:21:03Guest:And, you know, so I sort of thought I was maybe having like a nervous breakdown or something.

00:21:09Guest:So he said, that's amazing.

00:21:10Guest:I've been trying to to induce that experience.

00:21:14Guest:Here's this book.

00:21:15Guest:I've been reading it.

00:21:16Guest:And he'd been trying to induce these out of body experience.

00:21:18Guest:What was the book?

00:21:19Guest:I don't remember.

00:21:20Guest:And but it was some book about how you can induce out of body.

00:21:23Marc:So that didn't interest you.

00:21:25Guest:well to me it reassured me right because i thought possible that you have a gift that i had a gift that i was touched and i was touched i don't even need to read this book i'm doing it now that's what he said he's like basically you're touched yeah so later that week maybe i began to have this experience again and i was being drilled into the bed and felt paralyzed drilled into the bed was there i don't know how to explain it it sounds like like a pressure yes

00:21:49Guest:But I'm face down.

00:21:51Guest:Oh, you're face down.

00:21:52Guest:Face down.

00:21:53Guest:Oh, my God.

00:21:53Guest:And like you're sinking, like you're falling, like you're falling, like you're falling.

00:21:56Marc:Right.

00:21:56Marc:But you're being compressed into something, not falling.

00:22:01Guest:Well, but there also is a sensation of falling.

00:22:03Marc:Right.

00:22:05Marc:But let's track it.

00:22:09Marc:So you grew up an only child.

00:22:11Marc:That's correct.

00:22:12Marc:With at least a Jewish-looking father.

00:22:15Marc:Right.

00:22:16Marc:And a mother who... My mother's very Olive.

00:22:20Marc:Olive.

00:22:21Marc:Okay, so you're in... Where'd you grow up?

00:22:23Marc:What part?

00:22:25Marc:Well, I grew up... Santa Monica?

00:22:27Guest:No, my dad lived on the west side, but my parents split up when I was five.

00:22:32Guest:Oh, that explains it.

00:22:35Guest:That explains some things.

00:22:36Marc:Your parents got divorced?

00:22:37Marc:No, yeah, they did, and it was devastating.

00:22:39Marc:I was 35.

00:22:40Guest:Were you really 35?

00:22:41Guest:Yeah.

00:22:42Guest:Were you devastated?

00:22:43Marc:No.

00:22:44Guest:Not at all?

00:22:44Guest:Not really.

00:22:45Marc:It was hard to figure out who to live with, but it was my choice.

00:22:49Guest:Oh, my God.

00:22:50Guest:So, I... What are you going to do now?

00:22:52Marc:You're taking pictures?

00:22:53Guest:Yeah, my interest is waning, and now- Your interest is waning?

00:22:58Guest:No, I'm kidding.

00:22:59Guest:It's obviously because things are getting too deep.

00:23:01Guest:What do you mean too deep?

00:23:02Guest:Too intense, and I'm hiding behind my camera.

00:23:03Marc:Ask you where you grew up, and we're in the weeds?

00:23:06Guest:No, no, we're good.

00:23:07Guest:So I grew up in the middle of town, like the Wilshire district.

00:23:09Marc:That's the weirdest place to grow up.

00:23:11Marc:This is like ill-defined.

00:23:12Marc:It is very ill-defined.

00:23:12Marc:I never knew what to call it.

00:23:13Marc:What, in one of those apartment buildings?

00:23:14Guest:No, I lived in a house, which I cannot fucking stop dreaming about.

00:23:17Guest:I had a very recent dream about it.

00:23:19Guest:Are you being drilled into the house?

00:23:20Guest:I'm not being drilled into the house, but I do have surreal...

00:23:25Guest:I mean, it's a dream, of course it's fucking surreal.

00:23:28Marc:I had a dream the other night that involved my ex-girlfriend, who we were planning on having a child, but it ended badly.

00:23:37Marc:And I was in a house, and I don't know who else was there with me, but there was a sliding door out onto a patio, and my friend Jim Schubert, who I haven't seen in years, well no, he's been in here, but I see him around, but he was outside, he was throwing a fit about something, he was like losing his fucking mind, he's a comedian.

00:23:55Marc:And I opened the sliding door to find out why he's freaking out.

00:23:58Marc:And then it turns out he's mad at me.

00:24:00Marc:And then I turn around and there's some, the people who were there trying to slide a large box.

00:24:06Marc:A lot of sliding.

00:24:08Marc:Sliding a box into the, through the glass door.

00:24:10Marc:And I was worried my cats were going to get out.

00:24:12Marc:And then I went back into the house and then I'm in my grandmother's living room and the stairs that go upstairs, the woman who I used to date is coming down the stairs, very pregnant.

00:24:21Marc:And she walks in with this other mishigas going on behind me.

00:24:24Marc:And I look at her and I go, I had nothing to do with that.

00:24:26Marc:And she's like, that's a real nice thing to say.

00:24:28Marc:And that was the dream.

00:24:29Marc:Huh.

00:24:30Marc:What the fuck is that?

00:24:32Guest:Well, do you want to talk about it?

00:24:34Guest:It's not time for that.

00:24:36Guest:How acts of a girlfriend?

00:24:37Guest:About a year.

00:24:39Guest:You haven't seen her in a year?

00:24:39Guest:No, but I hear- Do you still feel a little haunted?

00:24:41Guest:Yeah.

00:24:42Guest:Yeah.

00:24:43Marc:Well, yeah, I do.

00:24:44Marc:Yeah, but what has that got to do with Jim Schubert and whatever the- Well, there's maybe a lot of day residue in there as well.

00:24:49Guest:Did you- Day residue?

00:24:50Marc:That's true.

00:24:51Guest:Yeah.

00:24:51Guest:That's what it was.

00:24:52Guest:Did you just talk to him, get a message from him?

00:24:53Marc:No, but at the comedy club I was working at, he was coming the following week, so I saw his picture every night.

00:24:57Guest:That's what it's called, day residue?

00:25:00Guest:Yeah, that's why he was there.

00:25:02Guest:What he represents, of course, is- Me.

00:25:04Marc:Yeah, probably.

00:25:05Marc:I'm on the outside screaming.

00:25:06Marc:Yeah.

00:25:08Marc:And I just can't get, I don't know.

00:25:10Guest:Yeah, well, keep talking.

00:25:13Guest:My work is almost done here.

00:25:17Guest:Keep talking.

00:25:18Marc:And I can't get that box into the house.

00:25:21Marc:I'm not making changes because I'm afraid to... Well, you don't want to take responsibility for something also.

00:25:27Marc:Is that true?

00:25:28Guest:It does, yeah.

00:25:30Marc:She's not pregnant.

00:25:31Guest:Right.

00:25:31Guest:No, no, I know.

00:25:32Guest:Yeah, maybe that's true.

00:25:34Guest:Yeah.

00:25:36Guest:Did you instigate the breakup?

00:25:38Marc:Yes.

00:25:39Marc:Yeah.

00:25:39Guest:Do you feel guilty about it?

00:25:41Marc:I feel it saddens me, but I didn't see a choice.

00:25:43Marc:Okay.

00:25:44Marc:Yeah.

00:25:45Marc:So I don't know if it's guilty, but it's sad to make choices that maybe part of you is not emotionally wants to do, but it has to do.

00:25:56Guest:Did she live with you?

00:25:57Guest:Yeah.

00:25:57Guest:She lived here?

00:25:58Guest:Yeah.

00:26:03Marc:Okay, so you grow up in Wilshire.

00:26:05Guest:I grew up here.

00:26:05Guest:I went to school at a private school called Oakwood in North Hollywood where a lot of famous people.

00:26:11Marc:But not the weird one in the Santa Monica.

00:26:14Guest:Not Crossroads, but it's similar.

00:26:16Guest:I didn't actually get into Crossroads.

00:26:18Guest:I'm still bitter about it.

00:26:18Guest:I was waitlisted.

00:26:19Marc:Have you tried recently?

00:26:20Guest:I probably, I guarantee you I would not get it now.

00:26:25Guest:What little I can, I retain from Oakwood.

00:26:27Marc:So what is Oakwood?

00:26:28Marc:Do you mean famous people?

00:26:29Guest:Oh, it was just like, it was.

00:26:31Guest:Celebrity people?

00:26:31Guest:Yeah, it was just one of the, it's like there's sort of three, well there's several, fucking LA for one thing.

00:26:36Marc:But what's your old man do?

00:26:37Marc:Like were you in show business?

00:26:38Guest:No, he's in, he had a wholesale food business until really recently called Goldberg and Salvee Foods.

00:26:42Marc:Really?

00:26:42Guest:Yeah.

00:26:43Guest:And his father was in the food business.

00:26:45Guest:Exporting type of stuff?

00:26:50Guest:He sold food to restaurants and institutions.

00:26:53Guest:A distributor?

00:26:55Marc:Yeah, a distributor.

00:26:57Marc:Were you part of that?

00:26:58Marc:Did you drive a truck?

00:26:59Guest:No, as a kid I used to answer phones there.

00:27:01Guest:I thought it was really exciting.

00:27:02Guest:At the warehouse?

00:27:03Marc:Yeah.

00:27:05Guest:In Vernon.

00:27:05Guest:You remember in Cary where they go and get the pig's blood?

00:27:09Guest:That's right near where we were.

00:27:10Marc:Really?

00:27:11Marc:It's an interesting point of reference.

00:27:13Guest:So every time I see Carrie, which isn't often, but when I see it, I smell it because it stinks down there in Vernon.

00:27:20Guest:It smells like pig.

00:27:21Guest:It smells like- There's a lot of butchering going on?

00:27:22Guest:Yeah, it smells like pig.

00:27:24Marc:So your parents split up when you're five and you're going to this fancy school.

00:27:27Marc:Were you upset?

00:27:30Guest:Well, I didn't go to that school until many years later.

00:27:34Guest:That's when I went to the Jewish school after they split up.

00:27:37Guest:And I used to sort of like, I like to exaggerate the divorce because I think I wanted it to be more, I like to talk about it a lot.

00:27:45Guest:I remember a girl I was trying to impress in the second grade asked me about my dad and I said, well, you know, it's like Star Wars because I had just, I guess, seen Star Wars.

00:27:55Guest:And she was like, oh, you mean he's dead?

00:27:56Guest:Because I was alluding to Luke Skywalker having it.

00:27:59Guest:And I was like, no, but I only see him on weekends.

00:28:02Guest:I was like, because I thought that was kind of cool.

00:28:06Guest:But no, to be honest, I thought I took the whole thing in stride and I think it was only really in my mid-30s that I started to realize that it really fucked me up.

00:28:15Marc:When you start to ask questions about why you are the way you are and track them back.

00:28:19Guest:Because here's what happened.

00:28:20Guest:I went to therapy so early on that it almost became- How old?

00:28:24Guest:Very early on.

00:28:26Guest:Are you afraid to say?

00:28:27Guest:No, I'm not.

00:28:29Guest:The first time I went to therapy, I was nine, because I was getting headaches every day.

00:28:32Guest:Okay.

00:28:32Guest:It was very briefly.

00:28:33Guest:Right.

00:28:34Guest:Then when I was 13, I began to have horrible, horrible anxiety episodes.

00:28:37Guest:Like what?

00:28:38Guest:I couldn't go, well, it started in a math class, and I thought I was gonna vomit in the math class.

00:28:41Guest:Over a problem?

00:28:42Guest:No.

00:28:43Guest:Oh.

00:28:43Guest:It was completely out of left field.

00:28:44Guest:Like, I thought I just had the flu.

00:28:46Guest:Right.

00:28:47Guest:But it became evident that I was having some kind of, you know.

00:28:52Marc:Not connected to anything.

00:28:54Guest:No, it seemed irrespective.

00:28:56Guest:I mean, I didn't like math.

00:28:58Guest:I was bad at it.

00:28:58Guest:I mean, so maybe that's why it happened when it happened.

00:29:01Guest:But I mean, no.

00:29:02Guest:Then it would be elevators.

00:29:03Guest:I couldn't go to plays.

00:29:04Guest:I mean, the funny part is- Plays.

00:29:06Guest:I couldn't see plays, but I was in plays as a kid.

00:29:10Marc:A lot of people have that anxiety.

00:29:13Marc:How long is it?

00:29:14Guest:Is it a production not that kind?

00:29:19Guest:No, I mean like I was afraid I was gonna like be stuck in a theater in an elevator.

00:29:23Guest:I mean it was acute for a few months.

00:29:25Guest:It was really acute for a few months.

00:29:27Guest:Like I couldn't go in an elevator.

00:29:28Guest:And how were you able to track that?

00:29:29Guest:What did you figure it out to be?

00:29:33Guest:Well, I started to go to therapy.

00:29:34Guest:You start to talk about it.

00:29:36Guest:Just the talking about it makes it less sort of monstrous or whatever.

00:29:39Guest:But I guess my point was is because I had been dissecting this childhood of mine from so early on, it ceased to have this sort of, I think, is my analysis of it, ceased to have the kind of impact that it would have maybe if I had just started cold at 30.

00:29:52Guest:So in some weird way, I had taken, oh, yeah, well, of course, the divorce.

00:29:56Guest:Oh, and of course, this maybe too close relationship with my mother and maybe this awkward relationship with my father and whatever it is.

00:30:02Guest:And you start to say, you identify it early.

00:30:06Guest:You say it so much it starts to lose its meaning, like a word, right?

00:30:09Guest:It starts to lose its value.

00:30:10Guest:It's not connected to anything.

00:30:10Guest:It stops feeling like anything.

00:30:12Guest:And at a certain point, I think maybe when I stopped going to therapy and then maybe started again or whatever it was, or maybe it was when one certain relationship fell apart and you're like, Jesus Christ, I'm 36 years old.

00:30:26Guest:What the fuck is, this is not funny anymore.

00:30:28Marc:Wait, I can't get my shit together.

00:30:30Guest:Yeah, there is really an issue.

00:30:32Marc:I'm 50, so you're looking down the barrel at- Listen, man.

00:30:36Guest:What?

00:30:37Guest:Yeah, I'm going to be 44 this year.

00:30:39Guest:But it's all the same.

00:30:39Guest:We're all basically 80 at this point.

00:30:41Guest:Do you know what I mean?

00:30:43Guest:No, we're not.

00:30:44Guest:Well, a little bit, though.

00:30:45Guest:It's not a year goes by.

00:30:47Guest:Five years go by.

00:30:48Marc:You don't have kids.

00:30:49Guest:Not exactly.

00:30:51Guest:That's a whole other story.

00:30:52Guest:What does that mean?

00:30:54Guest:Well, it depends how dark you want this episode to go.

00:30:57Guest:What do you mean?

00:30:58Guest:I can handle it.

00:31:00Guest:Yeah, we had a... I haven't said this.

00:31:04Guest:I haven't talked about this at all.

00:31:05Guest:Who's we?

00:31:07Guest:My girlfriend and I. We've been together for several years.

00:31:09Guest:Okay.

00:31:09Guest:So we had a, she was pregnant.

00:31:14Guest:People know this because in whatever social network land.

00:31:18Guest:Yeah.

00:31:19Guest:So people would say, oh, how's your baby?

00:31:20Guest:So we had a stillborn child about a year and a half ago.

00:31:25Guest:And I haven't talked about it.

00:31:28Guest:I mean, of course, I've talked about it, but not in any sort of public fashion.

00:31:31Guest:It's horrible.

00:31:32Guest:Yeah.

00:31:32Guest:Totally horrible.

00:31:33Guest:And also horrible because I had been ambivalent about having children.

00:31:37Guest:Yeah.

00:31:38Guest:What's weird that you had that dream, by the way?

00:31:41Marc:Yeah.

00:31:41Marc:And I talked to you about it.

00:31:43Guest:Well, it's weird that you said.

00:31:44Guest:Yeah.

00:31:45Guest:Yeah.

00:31:45Guest:That's strange.

00:31:46Guest:Anyway.

00:31:46Marc:But so did you know, were you aware that that was going to happen?

00:31:50Guest:No, no.

00:31:50Guest:Oh, really?

00:31:51Guest:No.

00:31:51Guest:I mean, it was like day of it was four days after the due date.

00:31:55Guest:I mean, we were just that's devastating.

00:31:57Guest:Yeah, no, it was horrifying.

00:31:59Guest:And it was also like my worst fear.

00:32:02Guest:So, you know, there's been a few, you know, in the past, I don't know, six or seven years, life got as disturbing and frightening as I had always kind of imagined it was.

00:32:14Marc:Everything you had prepared for.

00:32:15Guest:Like a friend of mine died in 2005 in a really horrible way, who was a really, really, really close friend of mine.

00:32:22Guest:And...

00:32:24Guest:you know, up till then, it was a lot of existential masturbation.

00:32:29Guest:Right, sure.

00:32:30Guest:I had a very good life.

00:32:31Guest:And I have a very good life, I should say.

00:32:33Guest:I mean, you know what I mean.

00:32:34Guest:I was very lucky.

00:32:36Guest:I had, you know, grandparents that live a long time, and healthy parents, and yeah, so what, they got divorced, and so what I, you know.

00:32:43Guest:Yeah, I'm in the same, yeah, yeah.

00:32:44Guest:You know, got vertigo spells and migraines.

00:32:45Marc:But the weird thing about anxiety is that, like, anxiety churns away

00:32:49Marc:Specifically to try to protect you from those realities.

00:32:54Marc:Like, you know, your brain's just working every angle out of fear.

00:32:56Marc:Of course, yeah.

00:32:57Marc:And then when real shit happens, there's no way to be prepared for that.

00:33:01Marc:And it brings you right into the present.

00:33:02Marc:There's nothing you could ever imagine.

00:33:03Guest:No, one of the craziest sensations I ever remember having is when my friend...

00:33:09Guest:had had died you know I had to I found out while I was driving on the freeway and I had to pull you know I had to pull over on the side of the road and I had to call a friend of ours and you know start I guess sobbing I'm not sure but you can't even identify what was well I don't remember if it was like I need I don't remember if I was just so incredulous at the point at that point I was trying to sort of do some sort of recon yeah or if I was crying yet but I remember when I went to the funeral there was

00:33:38Guest:The whole thing is just devastating.

00:33:40Guest:It was this woman.

00:33:41Guest:I feel like I should identify it as this woman, this 21 year old girl who who I guess had got into a fight with her mother and said wanted to kill herself.

00:33:51Guest:So she drove 100 miles an hour through the streets of Chicago and rammed her car into my friend's car to kill herself.

00:33:59Guest:And he and his two friends were on their fucking lunch break.

00:34:03Guest:You know, they all worked at Shure.

00:34:05Guest:I'm looking at Shure, right?

00:34:06Guest:I'm looking at a microphone that says Shure.

00:34:08Guest:So they worked at Shure microphones.

00:34:10Guest:They did?

00:34:10Guest:Yeah.

00:34:11Guest:Huh.

00:34:11Guest:And they were just on their fucking lunch break.

00:34:14Guest:And this woman...

00:34:15Guest:you know, just kills them.

00:34:17Guest:I mean, like instantly.

00:34:17Guest:Did she die?

00:34:18Guest:No, of course not.

00:34:19Guest:And she got time served and she can go fuck herself.

00:34:21Guest:Right.

00:34:22Guest:Um, and she, anyway, so, so, so that was all confusing what the hell had happened.

00:34:29Guest:So anyways, you go to this funeral and they, you know, three people in a, in a kind of, and they were all musicians and in Chicago also.

00:34:36Guest:I mean, I think there's,

00:34:37Guest:it branches out.

00:34:38Guest:It's far reaching.

00:34:39Guest:I think that the, the, the community.

00:34:41Guest:Yeah.

00:34:42Guest:The effects of something like that.

00:34:43Guest:Anyway, at this funeral, which was like packed or whatever, you know, there was only three of us that, that I guess spoke three friends.

00:34:49Guest:And I remember getting up there and I had this crazy uncontrollable feeling.

00:34:53Guest:I couldn't, I don't know that I've had that feeling.

00:34:55Guest:Well, the only other time was when, was my son, you know,

00:34:58Guest:Yeah.

00:34:59Guest:Baby died.

00:35:00Guest:Where I simply had absolutely no, I had lost complete sense of my faculties.

00:35:07Guest:I had no, absolutely no, there was no skill set.

00:35:13Guest:There was nothing I could rely on.

00:35:15Guest:And you couldn't simply, you couldn't rely on, let's say, your anxiety.

00:35:18Guest:There was nothing between me and the pain of trying to speak to this crowd of people.

00:35:24Guest:and there was no sort of theatrical artifice I could rely on.

00:35:31Guest:You were consumed with emotion.

00:35:32Guest:Consumed with emotion.

00:35:33Guest:I mean, I'm not breaking ground here.

00:35:34Marc:No, but it's a weird feeling.

00:35:38Guest:Yeah, it is.

00:35:38Marc:Because I've cried in front of crowds, and when you feel it coming, what do you call it?

00:35:45Marc:You're drowning.

00:35:45Guest:It feels like drowning.

00:35:46Marc:It does, but there's that moment, though, where you realize that, all right, this is an appropriate place to do this.

00:35:55Marc:We're all feeling grief.

00:35:56Guest:It's not out of context.

00:35:58Marc:I'm not... Right.

00:36:00Guest:Although I have to say, there was still this little self-aware part of me because I have always been this way and have been sort of obsessed with movies since I can remember and always observing myself and always...

00:36:12Guest:sort of imagining the cinematic version of whatever reality I was in at the time and blah, blah, blah.

00:36:18Guest:In other words, not fully being present, I guess you might say.

00:36:20Guest:There was still this small part of me that when I- You're really anxious.

00:36:24Guest:You're writing this down on a sticky note.

00:36:28Guest:But there was a part of me that stepped back and thought, I hope this doesn't come off as disingenuous.

00:36:35Guest:In other words,

00:36:36Marc:You were self-conscious about being... I get it.

00:36:38Guest:I said at one point, I'm sorry.

00:36:40Guest:Because I was trying to read this fucking thing I had written in the goddamn car ride.

00:36:45Guest:And I just couldn't read it.

00:36:47Guest:And so I said, I'm sorry.

00:36:48Guest:I'm sorry.

00:36:48Guest:And all I could think of was the 85 movies I had seen where someone's like, I'm sorry.

00:36:52Guest:I'm sorry.

00:36:54Guest:I'm sorry.

00:36:54Guest:Just, I'm sorry.

00:36:56Guest:And I thought, oh, fuck.

00:36:57Guest:These are his parents.

00:36:59Guest:You know what I mean?

00:37:00Guest:And like...

00:37:01Guest:i don't want to i kind of wish you would have said exactly what you're saying to me there yeah i don't know i don't want to see seem disingenuous because i'm not i'm really feeling this right you have to understand that i'm a little self-conscious right right yeah that would have gone well that would have gone over well um did you get through it what happened yeah i got i got through it and it was and i got a really lovely this sounds fucking horrible

00:37:24Guest:I got great feedback on it, Mark.

00:37:27Guest:Got really good feedback.

00:37:28Guest:I fucking, I killed.

00:37:30Guest:Nailed it?

00:37:30Guest:I nailed it.

00:37:31Guest:I fucking nailed it.

00:37:34Guest:Oh, boy.

00:37:35Guest:So you've had this horrible couple years.

00:37:39Guest:Well, starting in 2005, there was... So, yeah, well, so that year was the same year that the girlfriend in question, the one who thought prog rock was music made in prog, yeah.

00:37:47Guest:That was the first time that she split up with me.

00:37:51Guest:It was also the year that my film, the second film I had directed had come out, but it was after three years of being in kind of a...

00:38:00Marc:Where are these movies?

00:38:01Marc:We try to get these.

00:38:01Guest:Yeah, I know.

00:38:02Guest:Well, that's what I was going to tell you.

00:38:03Guest:I mean, I love your work.

00:38:04Guest:You can kind of find Scotch and Milk was was a film that that I had made when I was 25 that that I crammed to the gills with jazz.

00:38:13Guest:Hundreds of thousands of dollars.

00:38:14Guest:Couldn't license it.

00:38:16Guest:Basically.

00:38:16Guest:Yeah.

00:38:16Guest:I think now I probably could because the deals, licensing deals have become much more, well, manageable and I think appropriate.

00:38:26Marc:What did you learn from this horrible event with the stillborn and with the losing of the friend?

00:38:37Marc:And I imagine you're telling me that this relationship was sort of the beginning of the dominoes falling, the breakup and what have you?

00:38:45Guest:I think what I learned was that I'm an incredibly resilient person.

00:38:49Guest:And not just that I am, that people are incredibly resilient.

00:38:51Marc:They are.

00:38:51Marc:They're built to handle.

00:38:52Guest:They're just incredibly fucking resilient.

00:38:54Guest:And so after this one year where this movie came out, and it came out for a week, and after I'd been fighting to push it out in the theaters for two years, first of all, that year began with my dog dying, my dog of nine years.

00:39:06Guest:Yeah.

00:39:06Guest:Then the breakup.

00:39:08Guest:A TV series I was on was canceled after two episodes.

00:39:11Guest:Which one?

00:39:11Guest:Called Head Cases.

00:39:12Guest:Yeah.

00:39:12Guest:The film came out for a week.

00:39:14Guest:The girlfriend dumped me the day after my 35th birthday on the telephone.

00:39:17Marc:On the telephone.

00:39:18Guest:Yeah.

00:39:19Guest:And I had to move out of the house because- You were living together.

00:39:21Guest:Yeah.

00:39:22Guest:Prior to that, I owned this fucking fantastic little house that I sold to Giovanni, who was on your show.

00:39:26Guest:Yeah.

00:39:26Guest:In Silver Lake for what was now would be an inconceivably small amount of money.

00:39:32Guest:Right.

00:39:32Guest:With a pool.

00:39:33Guest:But, oh, I'm in love.

00:39:34Guest:Right.

00:39:34Guest:And you're much richer than I am.

00:39:36Guest:The girl was.

00:39:37Guest:Yeah, so let's make the most financially fucking self-destructive move.

00:39:43Guest:Yeah, I'll give up my life and move in with you.

00:39:44Guest:Fucking... That was idiotic.

00:39:49Guest:So, but I, you know, I rebuilt my little life and then got back together with her as soon as I... I had fully... When you went back to Berlin.

00:39:57Guest:Constructed.

00:39:58Guest:So I got a house and I had my life.

00:40:01Guest:I was dating a girl and...

00:40:04Guest:Roxanne, that's my girlfriend.

00:40:07Guest:So she's pregnant again.

00:40:09Guest:This is something else we're not telling.

00:40:10Guest:We weren't gonna tell anybody until, I mean, it's obvious.

00:40:13Guest:You can see her, she's gigantic.

00:40:14Guest:But we weren't gonna tell anybody unless you ran into her.

00:40:16Guest:But I would be remiss in saying, oh, we had this horrible thing happening without saying,

00:40:20Marc:Were you able to get through it and be supportive?

00:40:22Marc:Does your anxiety enable you to be there for other people?

00:40:25Guest:No, I mean, this is the thing.

00:40:26Guest:Yeah, I'll give you two examples of, yeah, how counterintuitively, in fact, it does.

00:40:33Guest:Or, yeah, yes.

00:40:37Marc:In other words, you have to be aware.

00:40:39Guest:There is a part of me.

00:40:42Guest:Right.

00:40:43Guest:And what I have learned and what I learned from that and what I learned when there was a guy that was in our house at four in the morning is standing over my sleeping girlfriend.

00:40:52Guest:This is something else that happened a couple of years ago.

00:40:55Guest:Over Roxanne?

00:40:56Guest:Yeah.

00:40:57Guest:You woke up.

00:40:57Guest:She was.

00:40:58Guest:Well, I was playing guitar upstairs.

00:41:00Guest:It was four in the morning.

00:41:01Guest:She was asleep.

00:41:02Guest:And I just hear her screaming like a horror movie, like a fucking horror movie.

00:41:06Guest:So I run downstairs with my guitar.

00:41:08Guest:As a weapon.

00:41:09Guest:Yeah, my 1965 ES-330, Gibson, over my head.

00:41:14Guest:Yeah.

00:41:15Guest:And there was this guy who looked, at the time it was just confusing, sort of this preppy, kind of handsome, he looked a little like Andrew Garfield from the Facebook movie.

00:41:23Guest:Yeah.

00:41:23Guest:I mean, I guess now he's Spider-Man, but at the time he was- However you want to see him.

00:41:27Guest:Well, that's how I saw him, because that movie had just come out.

00:41:29Marc:Spider-Man, you would have been up against something.

00:41:31Marc:That's true, that's true.

00:41:32Marc:The Facebook movie you could handle.

00:41:34Guest:I could handle that guy.

00:41:35Guest:well that's what I kept thinking though because I kept thinking like and she kept thinking that like we must know this guy why is he standing in our house like you're going through this thing where so the only thing I could come up with is the guy from the Facebook movie must be going to somebody's party right and he must have walked in even though it's impossible to get I mean the way he had got into my house is so circuitous and kind of treacherous because it's dark and you have to walk up this very steep hill and blah blah blah you still in Silver Lake?

00:42:02Guest:no because no but close close Felix yeah

00:42:05Guest:so anyway whatever to make a long story short I scared the guy out of the house but what came out of me was this incredible amount of like I mean like I was ready to fucking kill the guy yeah he was bigger than me or whatever but I mean and look if the guy had a gun a guy had truly been a threat who fucking knows maybe I sized him up no I don't to this day I don't know what it was he was a guy who kept saying is this so and so's house and no and is he drunk

00:42:29Guest:Everybody says, was he on drugs?

00:42:32Guest:But, I mean, yeah, he had no kind of affect, so maybe.

00:42:35Guest:Yeah.

00:42:35Guest:But he didn't look like a... He looked like a... I mean, maybe he was like on ecstasy.

00:42:40Guest:You know what I mean?

00:42:40Guest:He looked like a preppy guy who would be on ecstasy.

00:42:42Guest:Right.

00:42:42Guest:Maybe he was on acid.

00:42:43Guest:I don't know.

00:42:44Guest:Weirdly, a week later, Moby, who I don't know, but I read this, had an intruder in his house.

00:42:51Marc:You'd really have to climb a hill to get to that house.

00:42:53Guest:In the morning.

00:42:54Marc:Yeah.

00:42:54Guest:who apparently was on acid, and I guess Moby made him fucking breakfast.

00:42:57Guest:And the difference between me and Moby, and I'm sure there are a lot.

00:43:01Guest:You're not as lonely.

00:43:04Guest:I mean, I'm not saying anything.

00:43:06Guest:I'm just saying I'm sure there's a lot of differences.

00:43:09Guest:To answer your question,

00:43:11Guest:I can be there for people, yes, and that's one of the only thing I suppose positive to come out of this experience with.

00:43:20Guest:Which one?

00:43:22Marc:With the pregnancy, yeah.

00:43:25Marc:Well, congratulations that you're expecting again.

00:43:27Guest:Thank you, but we're not, I'm telling you to balance the story out, but I don't feel, unfortunately, we're both fucking freaked out.

00:43:37Guest:It's just not fun.

00:43:39Guest:Scary.

00:43:39Guest:It's just not fucking fun.

00:43:40Marc:Yeah.

00:43:42Marc:How long are you in?

00:43:44Marc:I don't know when this is going to go up.

00:43:45Marc:You might have a child by the time this airs.

00:43:46Guest:Right, or not.

00:43:47Guest:All right.

00:43:49Guest:Try to be optimistic.

00:43:50Guest:I know, but it didn't work last time.

00:43:52Guest:Although, actually, I don't know that I was optimistic last time.

00:43:55Guest:Did you get any answers about it?

00:43:59Guest:Yeah, some very kind of oblique things.

00:44:04Guest:Like we had these extensive sort of tests done, which showed some incredibly, if you Google it, you will find an APAPER,

00:44:15Guest:which cites an incident of this, like some crazy chromosomal aberration, except that that's not, they're saying that we could have that, you and I sitting here could have it.

00:44:25Marc:So it was a mystery.

00:44:26Guest:No, it's a mystery.

00:44:27Guest:It's a sad mystery.

00:44:28Guest:And most of them are, apparently.

00:44:29Guest:But you seem okay now.

00:44:32Guest:Well, I mean, yeah.

00:44:34Guest:No, I mean general.

00:44:35Guest:Yeah.

00:44:35Guest:I mean, you know, it was a weird year because that happened.

00:44:38Guest:And then I went and I went almost immediately and I went.

00:44:42Guest:Yeah.

00:44:42Guest:I made this record towards the end of the pregnancy.

00:44:45Guest:The pregnancy.

00:44:47Marc:Stranger's morning.

00:44:48Guest:Right.

00:44:49Guest:So that took on kind of eerie impressions in some weird way.

00:44:53Marc:And people can get this record?

00:44:55Guest:Yeah.

00:44:56Guest:The record you can buy.

00:44:57Guest:The movies.

00:44:58Guest:Fucked.

00:44:58Marc:What are you going to do about that?

00:45:00Guest:When can we... Well, no, I love your work you can find.

00:45:02Guest:It's on DVD somewhere.

00:45:04Guest:All right.

00:45:04Marc:Is it on Netflix?

00:45:06Guest:No, I think you have to brand it on Netflix.

00:45:08Guest:I don't think they stream it.

00:45:09Guest:I don't control these things.

00:45:10Guest:It was an ugly battle.

00:45:11Guest:I no longer had... It was a really ugly situation.

00:45:15Marc:Are you going to do something you want to do more of, directing?

00:45:18Guest:Yeah, that was what I had intended to do.

00:45:20Guest:Yeah, somehow I got sidetracked, and now I'm an actor.

00:45:23Guest:Oh, really?

00:45:25Guest:Basically, yeah.

00:45:25Guest:But you've been acting since you were 20.

00:45:27Guest:It was a way, right, but I made my first film, I mean, I wrote my first, I made my first film, well, yeah, when I was about 24, 25.

00:45:36Guest:When was your first acting gig?

00:45:38Guest:19.

00:45:40Guest:But I was making short films, you know, the idea was, like I applied to NYU film school, I just didn't get in.

00:45:46Guest:But I always argue it was because it was like the last year before they accepted films as part of the entrance requirement.

00:45:58Guest:Requirement.

00:45:59Guest:Yeah.

00:46:00Guest:Isn't that bizarre?

00:46:01Guest:Yeah.

00:46:01Marc:So you're growing up, you're going to therapy, you're living with your mom who's not a therapist yet, your dad's selling meat to hotels and restaurants.

00:46:11Marc:And you're here in Los Angeles.

00:46:16Marc:You get to be about a teenager.

00:46:18Marc:You start going to the fancy school.

00:46:20Marc:So when does your interest start in the movies?

00:46:23Marc:So you say to me that you've always found a tremendous release.

00:46:26Guest:Oh, like when I was a very little kid.

00:46:28Marc:Like, what was it?

00:46:29Marc:Like, what were the ones on loop?

00:46:30Marc:Which were the movies that you were like, that's the greatest movie in the world, I gotta see that again and again.

00:46:34Guest:Well, I mean, it would sort of change.

00:46:35Guest:I mean, I think like when I was six and seven, it was sort of obvious sorts of things.

00:46:41Guest:Like, you know, Rocky.

00:46:42Guest:But to me it was like, I left Rocky, I mean, you know, saw the movie in the theater and I left and I was shadow boxing.

00:46:48Guest:I was like, I wanna be a boxer.

00:46:49Guest:So I went and took boxing lessons.

00:46:51Guest:But then I also started putting on little scenes for my parents.

00:46:54Marc:So I remember combining- Both your parents remarried?

00:46:57Guest:my father remarried many, many years later and my mother had boyfriends and then remarried some years later.

00:47:04Guest:So my mother's first boyfriend after my parents got divorced was this guy.

00:47:07Guest:And my father would come over to pick me up on weekends and I would put on little, I'd sell him a ticket.

00:47:16Guest:Sort of make this, kind of make this joke that I had to sell my poor father a ticket to fucking pick me up to see me.

00:47:22Guest:He already had to deal with this fucking hulking ex-boyfriend or a hulking new boyfriend of my mother's.

00:47:27Guest:And we would perform, literally, I saw some kids do Macbeth at the Jewish Community Center.

00:47:33Guest:So I made my mother, and Werner was the guy's name, things weren't bad enough, perform a sword fight scene.

00:47:40Guest:A sword fight.

00:47:42Guest:Okay, nothing Freudian about that.

00:47:44Guest:For my father, and I don't know what the fuck I did.

00:47:46Guest:I think I directed that one.

00:47:48Marc:That's a good movie right there.

00:47:50Marc:You weren't in the sword fight?

00:47:53Marc:I don't remember if I participated in it.

00:47:55Marc:But you staged the sword fight between Werner and your dad?

00:47:59Marc:Werner and my mom, I think, had a sword fight.

00:48:02Marc:I don't remember.

00:48:02Marc:And you made your dad watch.

00:48:04Marc:Basically, yeah.

00:48:05Marc:It sounds like a... I love that as a scene.

00:48:09Marc:And you're like nine?

00:48:09Marc:How old are you?

00:48:10Guest:I'm like six or seven.

00:48:12Guest:Seven years old, maybe.

00:48:13Marc:So you were trying to resolve some things.

00:48:15Guest:Oh yeah.

00:48:15Guest:But I was, I was, I was, but that was the thing.

00:48:18Guest:I was, I immediately became like a performer.

00:48:20Guest:So then, so then I would do, I did like, like, I did some combo, like I did a scene.

00:48:26Guest:It was like doing acting class scenes before I knew what acting class was.

00:48:29Guest:You know, where you do like, you join an acting class and you do these moments, right?

00:48:32Guest:Right, right.

00:48:33Guest:And it's like you're creating a kind of an improvised moment or you have a prop.

00:48:36Guest:Yeah.

00:48:36Guest:So I was doing that like when I was a very little kid and so I would, so I did one that was based on one-on-one, the Robbie Benson movie.

00:48:42Guest:Yeah.

00:48:43Guest:And, and some, some sort of,

00:48:44Guest:combination of one-on-one and rocky right so it was like it was like maybe i had a basketball and then i made myself an egg but instead of an egg i used orange juice and then i slugged it down and you know there you go give me a quarter dad yeah let's go to your house for the weekend um and then over time as time went on uh i would i joined acting classes i was in plays and then i became really interested in making films i used to shoot all these super eight films and then

00:49:10Guest:And then video when video cameras became available and editing them just for my own sort of pleasure.

00:49:15Guest:And that's sort of what I figured I'd be doing.

00:49:19Guest:But I have I have I don't I my interest wasn't, I guess, in directing other people's work.

00:49:27Guest:And I have I very rarely write.

00:49:30Guest:And so every seems like so.

00:49:32Guest:Why don't you write?

00:49:34Guest:I have, I don't know, you know, I do, but I sort of have this thing where, you know, I guess if I'm going to make a film, I guess I feel like it has to be sort of an all or nothing deal.

00:49:46Guest:I've never been somebody who could, well, arguably I have some version, I don't know if it's ADD or whatever, but like, that's an all encompassing, I mean, you have to set aside.

00:49:57Marc:You get anxiety about finishing.

00:49:59Guest:Well, yeah, but the thing of it is is that if I do something, I have to finish it.

00:50:03Guest:So in other words, I've written four scripts from beginning to end, three of them I made in the movies, the last one last year.

00:50:09Guest:Which one is that?

00:50:10Guest:This film that I'm driving from here to the sound mix of called No Way Jose.

00:50:16Guest:So that's the first film since I Love Your Work that I wrote and directed.

00:50:20Guest:But, yeah, I don't know.

00:50:22Guest:And you're in it?

00:50:23Guest:And I'm in it.

00:50:23Guest:This one I'm in, yeah.

00:50:24Guest:What's it about?

00:50:26Yeah.

00:50:26Guest:It's a very thinly veiled version of what would have happened if Roxanne had kicked me to the curb and I had to go live with these married friends of mine.

00:50:35Guest:And they're friends of mine who some are actors, some are not, and they're all in it.

00:50:39Guest:And it's kind of a bit of the Cassavetes thing where it's my sort of group of people, but they're not necessarily anybody that you would have heard of.

00:50:47Guest:Whereas I Love Your Work was sort of peppered with...

00:50:49Guest:It was actually derided quite a bit for how cool the cast was.

00:50:54Guest:It was sort of a no-win situation.

00:50:56Guest:Could we get one, the financier, could we get one more?

00:50:59Guest:How's Vince Vaughn?

00:51:00Guest:Yeah, but one more.

00:51:00Guest:Really?

00:51:01Guest:Vince Vaughn?

00:51:01Guest:Okay.

00:51:03Guest:And then in every review, it's all this derision about how many recognizable characters

00:51:07Guest:people are in the movie, like every fucking movie isn't like that.

00:51:11Guest:But anyway, so of course this time it was like, can I get money for the movie?

00:51:15Guest:Well, do you have, no, and I'm not going to, because I'm not gonna go down that road.

00:51:18Guest:And so this was a much smaller, even smaller than the last movie.

00:51:21Marc:But you were able to, the budget was.

00:51:23Guest:We cobbled the financing together, and it's very small.

00:51:26Marc:And you played some slightly heightened version of yourself?

00:51:29Guest:Yeah, it's a kind of, it's me, it's a version of me if I were a little more Mexican.

00:51:35Guest:Mm hmm.

00:51:37Guest:In it, I'm one eighth Mexican.

00:51:38Guest:In reality, I believe I'm something like one sixty fourth Mexican.

00:51:41Guest:OK, so it's a it's a guy who's kind of a washed up indie rocker who now plays children's birthday parties with his band called the Borges.

00:51:50Guest:And his, you know, and he's he's finally going to get married.

00:51:54Guest:He's finally going to and he's about to turn 40 and he's going to commit.

00:51:57Guest:And all signs point to sort of him having maybe not a perfect life, but a life with someone who balances him.

00:52:04Guest:He's the crazy neurotic one.

00:52:06Guest:She's more stable, you know.

00:52:09Guest:But she discovers something about him.

00:52:10Guest:Okay.

00:52:11Guest:And she kicks him out of the house because it's sort of a deal breaker.

00:52:15Guest:And, you know, then he sort of decides that it was for the best.

00:52:18Guest:Well, yeah, I'm better off alone.

00:52:20Guest:I'm better off sleeping.

00:52:21Guest:You know, I'm a guy who's supposed to be on somebody's couch.

00:52:23Guest:Right.

00:52:23Guest:So it's sort of that struggle.

00:52:25Guest:That's good.

00:52:25Guest:Yeah.

00:52:26Guest:I mean, it may not be good.

00:52:27Guest:I mean, you don't know.

00:52:30Guest:It could be terrible.

00:52:31Marc:What, did you cut it already?

00:52:32Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:52:32Guest:I mean, there's nothing I can do about it now.

00:52:35Guest:It is what it is.

00:52:37Guest:Right now, I hate it.

00:52:38Guest:I think it's the worst thing, like, honestly ever.

00:52:41Guest:Ever made.

00:52:42Guest:Not that I've made.

00:52:43Guest:I'd be really selling it.

00:52:44Guest:I'm sure everyone's very excited.

00:52:47Marc:It's just horrible.

00:52:50Marc:Well, where did it start?

00:52:51Marc:How do you end up in, like, what was your first movie?

00:52:54Marc:Mr. Saturday Night?

00:52:56Guest:Yeah, strictly speaking.

00:52:57Guest:I always say Dazed and Confused was because, you know, I was in it more.

00:53:02Guest:But yeah, technically the first movie job I ever got was Mr. Saturday Night.

00:53:06Guest:I thought it was all going to change.

00:53:08Guest:Oh, I remember.

00:53:08Guest:I remember when I got that call.

00:53:10Guest:I was like, things are, remember in The Jerk?

00:53:12Guest:Yeah.

00:53:12Guest:When he ends up in the phone book?

00:53:14Guest:Things are going to start happening now.

00:53:15Marc:So how old were you when you did that?

00:53:18Guest:well i guess i was 20 about 20 and he played 21 i don't remember i don't know what i played either it was it was cut down to i don't even think i speak in it i played julie warner's uh uh little brother but how'd you get involved i played his i played billy crystal's nephew in law oh but how'd you like what how'd you make the jump you got an agent what right so i got so i dropped out so i went to school i went to to school in new york went to upstate new york i went

00:53:46Guest:to Sarah Lawrence for a year.

00:53:49Guest:I dropped out my girlfriend, the girl I lost my virginity to.

00:53:54Guest:How did that go?

00:53:55Guest:The virginity, oh my God.

00:53:57Guest:Quick?

00:53:59Guest:So quick that I'm not sure that I lost it that night.

00:54:04Guest:It may have been later on.

00:54:06Guest:Do you know what I mean?

00:54:07Guest:Not quite.

00:54:08Guest:I'm not sure.

00:54:10Guest:I don't know.

00:54:11Guest:I don't even know if I was in there or not.

00:54:13Guest:It was just, you know what I mean?

00:54:15Guest:It was minus time.

00:54:17Guest:Yeah.

00:54:18Marc:It's exciting that first time.

00:54:20Guest:I guess it is.

00:54:20Guest:I guess so.

00:54:21Guest:I remember I had to trick myself into it.

00:54:24Guest:It was a whole thing.

00:54:26Guest:Oh, God.

00:54:27Guest:I don't know.

00:54:28Guest:Honestly, I think it's too soon.

00:54:30Guest:I think I could tell that story.

00:54:31Guest:I got to be honest with you.

00:54:32Guest:I think I could tell you that story.

00:54:34Guest:Not even five.

00:54:34Guest:That's one of those things I could tell you maybe in 20 years.

00:54:38Guest:It's too embarrassing.

00:54:39Guest:It's actually too embarrassing.

00:54:41Marc:Mine was pretty embarrassing.

00:54:42Marc:Yeah.

00:54:43Marc:Yeah.

00:54:44Marc:It was quick, and I was consumed with panic.

00:54:47Marc:Yeah.

00:54:48Marc:And it was with an older woman.

00:54:49Marc:Yeah.

00:54:50Marc:Not old, old, but she was a waitress at this place I worked at in high school.

00:54:53Guest:Oh, wow.

00:54:53Guest:That's always a coup.

00:54:54Guest:I dated a waitress once, and I thought it was the greatest thing.

00:54:57Guest:I couldn't believe I did it.

00:54:58Guest:You did it.

00:54:58Guest:Yeah.

00:55:00Marc:And it was very quick, and I immediately assumed that she was disappointed.

00:55:04Marc:Yeah.

00:55:05Marc:And that stayed with me.

00:55:06Guest:Right.

00:55:07Guest:Right.

00:55:07Guest:To this day.

00:55:08Guest:To this day.

00:55:08Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:55:08Guest:I think they're disappointed.

00:55:09Guest:I think it's safe to assume that they're disappointed.

00:55:11Guest:They're all disappointed.

00:55:12Guest:Yeah, I think so.

00:55:13Guest:I think so.

00:55:14Guest:I mean, wouldn't you, though, if you were being heaved over in a pond by for seconds?

00:55:20Guest:Yeah, right.

00:55:22Guest:Like, oh, blah, blah, blah.

00:55:23Yeah.

00:55:24Guest:Yeah.

00:55:26Guest:So when she dumped me, I was like, I'm going to join an acting class and I'm going to- Learn how to fuck.

00:55:32Guest:I'm going to learn how to fuck.

00:55:33Guest:I know.

00:55:33Guest:I'm going to get a girlfriend.

00:55:34Guest:I'm going to get an agent.

00:55:35Guest:That's what happened.

00:55:35Guest:Right.

00:55:36Guest:I got a girlfriend and an agent.

00:55:37Guest:But I mean- It was a weird coincidence where this guy who was in my acting class who interviewed the people to get into the acting class, to interview the prospective students, became an agent.

00:55:47Guest:It was a total fluke.

00:55:49Guest:And yeah, whatever success, and it's moderate,

00:55:54Guest:you've done a lot of mild whatever whatever it is i it's always been just yeah that yeah a little but you're good you're a recognizable thing and like it's weird i'm fine i'm fine i'm okay you don't have to get defensive but i mean i'm i'm yeah but get the job done but it's funny you served a purpose

00:56:14Marc:That, you know, there's only room for a couple nutty Jews.

00:56:19Guest:You served a purpose.

00:56:20Guest:What is it, my eulogy?

00:56:21Guest:He served a purpose.

00:56:22Marc:No, but you know what I mean?

00:56:24Marc:Is that you filled a... There's a place.

00:56:26Marc:Yeah.

00:56:27Guest:Yeah, I mean...

00:56:29Guest:Here's the thing.

00:56:30Guest:I mean, I never saw, like I never even, you know, like the Jewish thing, right?

00:56:36Guest:So I, as self-aware as I was, and as much as like, for instance, growing up, I was a gigantic Woody Allen fan.

00:56:42Guest:Right.

00:56:42Guest:A huge Woody Allen fan.

00:56:43Guest:Sure.

00:56:43Guest:In fact.

00:56:43Guest:Had to be.

00:56:44Guest:It was, well, it was those films that made me feel, in fact, I had panic attack.

00:56:48Guest:I had a panic attack watching Hannah and her sisters.

00:56:50Guest:While he was having a panic attack.

00:56:51Guest:While he was having a panic attack.

00:56:52Guest:I had to leave the theater.

00:56:53Guest:Luckily, I lived three blocks away.

00:56:54Guest:I walked home and went and saw it again the next day.

00:56:56Guest:So he was always a source of real, actual comfort for me.

00:57:03Guest:Yeah, me too, yeah.

00:57:06Guest:But as an actor, I thought of myself as this very, and I still do, actually.

00:57:10Guest:I mean, and I feel like every once in a while, I'll do something like this Fargo TV show, where people see, I was like, yeah, oh yeah, he's actually a well-rounded actor.

00:57:22Guest:Right.

00:57:23Guest:That's, but that's how I thought of myself.

00:57:25Guest:I thought of myself as like an angry young man guy.

00:57:27Guest:I mean, I was like, that's the shit I was doing in plays.

00:57:29Guest:Sure.

00:57:30Guest:I was doing, or in acting class.

00:57:32Guest:Yeah.

00:57:33Guest:I wasn't, you know, maybe there was some funny stuff or some neurotic stuff, you know, and, and, and definitely if I create, if I directed anything in those acting classes, it would always steer towards that.

00:57:44Marc:But it's weird, just as you're talking about this, because I was that, I was that way too.

00:57:47Marc:Yeah.

00:57:47Marc:But in life and in comedy or whatever as a performer.

00:57:51Marc:But I don't think what we see.

00:57:53Marc:No, it's not what they see.

00:57:55Marc:No, like I was always angry, too.

00:57:56Marc:But no one was ever convinced that I was anything but this Jewish guy.

00:57:59Marc:Right.

00:58:00Marc:But isn't that problems?

00:58:01Marc:Right.

00:58:02Guest:But isn't that I find that incredibly I find that sad.

00:58:07Marc:I don't know if it's sad.

00:58:08Marc:It's just like, I'm not going to be like, my anger, as menacing as it may be, is still not, I don't know.

00:58:19Marc:The angry young man thing, it's outward.

00:58:25Marc:I think that when your anger is more towards you.

00:58:28Marc:Right, right, right.

00:58:31Marc:Yeah, it's true.

00:58:32Guest:Yeah, I guess that's true.

00:58:34Guest:You're right.

00:58:34Guest:I missed the part about you're supposed to be angry at the world.

00:58:42Guest:And just, right.

00:58:44Guest:Yeah.

00:58:44Guest:Something.

00:58:45Guest:That's more like the angry young Jew.

00:58:46Guest:Yeah.

00:58:47Guest:Right.

00:58:47Guest:I don't know.

00:58:48Guest:Fuck this colon.

00:58:49Guest:God, this colon has betrayed me.

00:58:51Marc:Well, just like... And it's true.

00:58:54Guest:I did stand-up three times in my life, right?

00:58:56Guest:When I was 19.

00:58:57Guest:Oh, you tried it?

00:58:57Guest:Oh, yeah.

00:58:58Guest:Thankfully.

00:58:59Guest:It didn't stick?

00:59:00Guest:No.

00:59:02Guest:Thankfully and for the good of the world, abandoned it.

00:59:06Guest:But, I mean, my whole shtick, it was just...

00:59:08Guest:And it would think it was more that I was doing a shtick about what I was trying to bottle the version of myself.

00:59:13Guest:I think that you think, or think that you're saying that people are going to perceive anyway.

00:59:17Guest:So it was hyperbottled.

00:59:17Guest:So it was about my colonoscopy and it was about my, it was about masturbating.

00:59:21Guest:Right.

00:59:22Guest:But then I was like, you know, I don't have anything to add to the worlds of IBS comedy and masturbation comedy, you know?

00:59:30Guest:Do you have IBS?

00:59:30Guest:Oh, horrible.

00:59:31Guest:Really?

00:59:32Guest:Horrible.

00:59:32Guest:For real?

00:59:33Guest:Oh, no, yeah.

00:59:34Guest:No, for real.

00:59:34Guest:Look, that's the thing is as much as I want to fight the stereotype,

00:59:38Guest:But my argument is that I inherited the shit from my mother, the non-Jewish one.

00:59:42Marc:This is where I get... Yeah, but I don't believe necessarily in the stereotype.

00:59:46Marc:I mean, it's weird.

00:59:47Marc:I think we're informed how we're informed.

00:59:49Marc:And sadly, you know, if Woody Allen is one of your...

00:59:54Marc:your qualifiers, if I'm going to use some sort of recovery word, that if he's the guy that spoke to you, it's hard not to... Sure, but to me, I had him, and then I also was obsessed with Brando and James Dean and David Lynch.

01:00:07Guest:Yeah, me too.

01:00:07Marc:But you're never going to be that guy.

01:00:09Marc:Well, no, of course not.

01:00:10Guest:But I think that...

01:00:13Marc:It's interesting.

01:00:13Marc:Those are the guys.

01:00:15Marc:So Brando, David Lynch, Woody Allen.

01:00:17Guest:Now I'm going off the top of my head.

01:00:18Marc:No, but I like it impulsively because you brought a camera here.

01:00:22Marc:You're in your house making 12-hour loops.

01:00:26Marc:There is the artistic life.

01:00:27Guest:Well, right.

01:00:28Guest:I guess that's the thing about sort of talking about acting.

01:00:31Guest:I think there are people that I always feel fraudulent talking about it.

01:00:36Marc:Well, actors, I think actors in general, when they're forced to talk, unless they're

01:00:41Guest:It's not that I know what you mean.

01:00:43Guest:I think that I just I just feel like it's it's it was a passion of mine.

01:00:47Marc:You can't help but be you see some actors.

01:00:51Marc:They they're they're sort of empty vessels in a way.

01:00:54Marc:Exactly.

01:00:55Marc:And so like whatever you were going to do, it was going to be hard for you not to be typecast in a way.

01:01:01Guest:Yeah, I think, but here was my thing, is I always had something to say.

01:01:04Guest:And so I wanted to say it in whatever it was that I was acting in.

01:01:10Guest:I realized years later that that was, as an actor, became less and less interesting to me.

01:01:18Guest:And then I would say, okay, if you have something to say, say it with music.

01:01:22Guest:Say it with writing.

01:01:23Guest:Say it with art.

01:01:24Guest:As an actor, just do what the director does.

01:01:25Guest:Yeah, or find something or make a point of trying to find something where you get to act, you get to be somebody's instrument.

01:01:35Guest:But having said that, and there's something that's really exciting about when that happens.

01:01:39Guest:I mean, but that's not a full life for me.

01:01:43Guest:No, I get it.

01:01:45Guest:Yeah.

01:01:45Guest:I envy those those people.

01:01:47Guest:Actually, I don't.

01:01:47Guest:I think it's actually I think those for those people who are more or less empty vessels who need to be filled up by other people's.

01:01:56Marc:Maybe maybe maybe empty is like the wrong word I want to use, because there's a lot of actors that, you know, when you talk to them, they're relatively flat.

01:02:04Marc:But I don't necessarily mean that they're dim.

01:02:06Marc:Obviously, they're emotionally loaded up.

01:02:08Marc:And, you know, if they're.

01:02:09Guest:you know directed the right way or are allowed to do the work they can they know i think that i think the greatest actors are generally i mean not always i mean you know listen to me like peter o'toole speak he's couldn't be more eloquent but i mean a lot of actors aren't very articulate right because they are in fact like a saxophone right and until somebody picks them up and plays them right they're the world's greatest fucking saxophone right i will never be that right you know

01:02:33Guest:But also you want to do your own thing too.

01:02:35Guest:Right, but it became less of a priority also.

01:02:37Guest:But ironically, the less of a priority it became, I also think I became a better actor.

01:02:41Guest:The things that I'm, let's say, known for, let's say something like Saving Private Ryan, I think is not a great performance.

01:02:46Guest:Why?

01:02:48Guest:Because the performances got better the lower the stakes.

01:02:53Guest:Some of my better performances you'll never see because they weren't in some high stakes situation like that.

01:02:58Marc:But what was it like to do that?

01:03:00Marc:I mean, that movie was a pretty big break for you.

01:03:02Guest:Yeah, it was.

01:03:03Guest:And then and then you sort of go back and then things sort of go back to.

01:03:06Guest:No, I know that.

01:03:07Marc:But it's still the event itself.

01:03:08Marc:You traveled.

01:03:09Guest:Oh, yeah.

01:03:10Guest:No, the flight was fucking horrible.

01:03:12Guest:The flight was horrible.

01:03:14Guest:I didn't know that we were going to make it.

01:03:15Marc:There was a horrible flight.

01:03:16Marc:But and also the you know, that scene, you know, as a Jew and I think as anybody, you know, where where you're killed by that Nazi is is so profound is is arguably the most disturbing scene in that movie.

01:03:29Marc:And the most compelling and the most weirdly erotic.

01:03:33Guest:It's fucked up.

01:03:34Guest:Yeah.

01:03:34Guest:It's a fucked up scene.

01:03:35Guest:No, that will see that.

01:03:37Guest:And that and there is an example of something where I think, oh, that is good because it's visceral and it felt honest.

01:03:42Guest:And there was no.

01:03:43Guest:And yeah, there were lots of discussions about how we were going to do it.

01:03:45Guest:And yes, there were discussions about how it was going to be hyper real and how we were going to talk and how I really wanted this, you know.

01:03:51Guest:Whatever it was.

01:03:52Guest:But once we were doing it, I always found that with physical, any kind of physical scene, you know, that you stop.

01:03:58Guest:It turns off the fucking voice in your head or it turns off the director or the editor.

01:04:02Guest:That was something else.

01:04:03Guest:I had just made my first film.

01:04:05Guest:I was editing it for like a year when I went to do Saving Private Ryan.

01:04:09Guest:So I kept finding myself giving them shit because I knew that, you know, if you're lying in a gut, if you're lying in a scene, you know, the scene where Vin Diesel's killed.

01:04:17Guest:And that's a 12-hour day, right?

01:04:19Guest:So you're just sitting there as rain is pissing on you and you have three lines and you say them 15 different times in the camera.

01:04:24Guest:But you know that you have your close-up.

01:04:26Guest:And it was very, you know, it was kind of extemporaneously as he shot that in many ways because he didn't storyboard it.

01:04:31Guest:It was clear when this was your shot.

01:04:33Guest:And like I remember very specifically giving him lots to work with in the editing room.

01:04:39Guest:But I also remember not being in the moment at all because I thought I'll give them this look and then I'll give them that look.

01:04:45Guest:Then I'll give them this look and that look and I'll have a lot to choose from when this guy, this buddy of mine's dying.

01:04:51Guest:Right.

01:04:52Guest:But that and I'll still do that to this day.

01:04:54Guest:I think it's sometimes it's a it's a very practical way.

01:04:57Guest:And I think that probably people appreciate that.

01:05:00Guest:But because they're not getting one take, they're actually getting several.

01:05:03Marc:But that's but that's something that's just being a professional on some level.

01:05:06Marc:If you're if you're thinking about your close up and it's like a 15 second, 10 second thing.

01:05:10Marc:It's true.

01:05:11Marc:That's true.

01:05:11Marc:And, you know, that's not an unreasonable way to think of it.

01:05:14Marc:But when that Nazi is on top of you.

01:05:16Guest:Right.

01:05:16Guest:Well, that's the fact.

01:05:17Guest:No, that was great.

01:05:17Guest:I remember that.

01:05:18Guest:I remember walking away.

01:05:19Guest:I was like, this is the greatest day I've ever had.

01:05:20Guest:No, I mean, it really was the greatest day I ever had.

01:05:22Guest:Up until that point in my life, the only other greatest day was in Dazed and Confused when I got my ass kicked.

01:05:27Guest:Yeah.

01:05:27Guest:I mean, why?

01:05:29Guest:Why are these there?

01:05:30Guest:I mean, they're so cathartic.

01:05:31Guest:They get you out of your head.

01:05:32Guest:Oh, so out of your head.

01:05:33Guest:So out of your head.

01:05:34Guest:Yeah.

01:05:34Guest:It's so great.

01:05:35Guest:Yeah.

01:05:36Guest:And then you start crying and you didn't plan to do it.

01:05:39Guest:Because there was another day where Stephen said at lunch, he walks by me, he goes, you know, when you find that thing and you say that's going to be a Shabbat holocut or whatever, you find that Hitler youth knife, he goes, cry.

01:05:49Guest:And he's walking by me at lunchtime.

01:05:53Guest:And I'm like, fucking Christ.

01:05:54Guest:So we barely shot anything by this point.

01:05:56Guest:So Steven Spielberg just says, Christ.

01:05:57Guest:And then what flashes through your mind is every weeping scene in every Steven Spielberg movie ever.

01:06:02Guest:And how good those tears were.

01:06:04Guest:And how thick they were.

01:06:05Guest:And how rich.

01:06:07Guest:And I'm sitting there.

01:06:11Guest:And I can't fucking, I mean, they're blowing fucking menthol into my eye.

01:06:15Guest:I mean, they're like, I'm thinking of everybody I know fucking dying.

01:06:19Guest:I mean, certainly the collective unconscious thing of the Jew is no longer, I mean, that's just meaningless to me at this point.

01:06:26Guest:And I'm like, well, I know how to fucking shake a lot.

01:06:30Guest:I know how to shake like crazy.

01:06:32Guest:And I remember his daughter, Jessica, was like, that was great.

01:06:35Guest:And I was like, okay.

01:06:37Guest:I have no idea whether it was great or not, but his daughter thought it was cool.

01:06:40Guest:It's just like everybody was gathered by the monitor.

01:06:42Guest:It was like a family fucking affair.

01:06:44Guest:Yeah.

01:06:44Guest:Let's see if the Jew can cry.

01:06:47Guest:Did you do it?

01:06:48Guest:I mean, you know, it's in the movie.

01:06:50Guest:You make the call.

01:06:52Guest:You can see it.

01:06:54Guest:But then that day, that day with the German, that was heaven.

01:06:58Guest:Heaven on earth, Mark.

01:06:59Marc:That was crazy.

01:07:00Marc:Yeah, that was really nice.

01:07:01Marc:It's a crazy, disturbing scene for anybody.

01:07:03Marc:Yeah.

01:07:04Marc:So, all right.

01:07:05Marc:You want to take another picture?

01:07:06Guest:Yeah, but just ignore me.

01:07:08Marc:I'm talking to you.

01:07:11Marc:Yeah, it's fine.

01:07:12Marc:All right, so.

01:07:13Marc:Yeah, you're really getting away with this.

01:07:15Marc:You're really good at this.

01:07:16Marc:I have no idea it's happening.

01:07:18Marc:All right.

01:07:19Marc:So now, are you going to marry this girl that you're?

01:07:23Guest:Oh, well, no, we're not.

01:07:24Guest:No, we don't need to be married.

01:07:26Guest:I mean, you know.

01:07:28Guest:Okay.

01:07:29Guest:I mean, you know, that's a whole other.

01:07:34Guest:Yeah, I know.

01:07:36Guest:Yeah, I know it's worse.

01:07:38Guest:I mean, yeah, it's possible we could get married.

01:07:41Guest:I mean, obviously we've made some sort of decision to not because we've been together a long time.

01:07:47Guest:Right.

01:07:47Guest:Yeah.

01:07:47Guest:I have a problem, I mean, but it's not, again, it's not breaking ground here to say I have a problem with the institution of marriage.

01:07:56Guest:Sure.

01:07:57Guest:But, you know, it's a very strange thing to me.

01:08:02Guest:I mean.

01:08:04Guest:Yeah, you've been married.

01:08:07Guest:Yeah, a couple times.

01:08:09Guest:Right.

01:08:09Guest:Are you ever going to get married again?

01:08:11Marc:I probably would.

01:08:12Marc:I'm very cynical about the whole relationship undertaking right now.

01:08:16Guest:Just relationships in general.

01:08:17Guest:Yeah.

01:08:17Guest:Right.

01:08:17Marc:Yeah, I mean, I seem to have botched it somewhat.

01:08:20Marc:I don't have any kids.

01:08:22Marc:I've been married twice, and now I'm fucking 50.

01:08:24Marc:And people are like, well, you can still have a kid.

01:08:26Marc:I'm like, I don't know, man.

01:08:27Marc:I would just like to relax.

01:08:30Guest:Right.

01:08:31Guest:No, listen, I've had to fight the urge to be a totally solitary person.

01:08:45Marc:Yeah, I don't know if I'd be good at that, because I don't mind living with people.

01:08:49Marc:I like seeing someone there.

01:08:51Guest:Well, it's the other thing.

01:08:52Guest:Right.

01:08:52Guest:I mean, I love Roxanne very much.

01:08:55Guest:It would seem totally bizarre to not be with her.

01:08:59Guest:But I also think I happen to have found somebody who understands that, you know, if...

01:09:08Guest:Who just understands that I have a very peculiar schedule, both emotionally and quite literally, you know?

01:09:14Guest:And that's not... Not everybody could be with somebody like that, nor could I be with somebody.

01:09:20Guest:I've been with people, I think, who are probably more similar in temperament, and that's just not a tenable... No, it's quite drama time.

01:09:30Guest:Big, big time, yeah.

01:09:31Guest:Although, I think that...

01:09:34Guest:It also was a way for me to escape my own.

01:09:39Guest:I think one of the reasons I sort of woke up one day and was like, oh, shit, I'm actually the one with the problem and I've been hiding behind these other women's problems.

01:09:50Guest:Because it's easy to say like, well, I picked her off the floor because she passed out drunk or whatever and brought her to bed three times last month.

01:10:01Guest:I must be the more functional one.

01:10:02Guest:I must be the healthier one.

01:10:04Guest:I must be the lifesaver or whatever it is.

01:10:07Guest:Or she's screaming at me for two hours in French because my dog shit in her yard.

01:10:15Guest:Well, she's a fucking psycho.

01:10:16Guest:I need to help this girl.

01:10:18Guest:Yeah.

01:10:20Guest:deal with this yeah but really it's like no no no that's just her and you can choose to be there or not that's true and and you you know and I and I was sort of not dealing with my own shit my own my own you know craziness because it was it was a lot easier to you know sort of play this role of the caretaker that's the ironic thing you were saying can you be a caretaker yeah in fact probably to a fault

01:10:48Marc:Yeah, I get that, too.

01:10:49Marc:But it's like it is a way of distracting from your problems.

01:10:52Marc:And then also, you know, you do it.

01:10:55Marc:It's not done out of some weird nurturing instinct.

01:10:57Marc:It's literally done to hold on to somebody.

01:11:01Marc:Oh, yeah.

01:11:01Marc:You know, so it's not like, you know, I do it because I care.

01:11:03Marc:It's I do it because I want to please this person.

01:11:06Marc:Yeah.

01:11:06Marc:And I'm insecure.

01:11:07Marc:And then when you think the problem with that is it's completely relative to the job you think you're doing.

01:11:12Marc:Like if they get if they have a bad day, you're like,

01:11:15Marc:Look what I've done for you, and you're still gonna act like this.

01:11:19Guest:It's just always gonna lead to that fucking thing.

01:11:21Guest:Well, the other thing is that if they actually got as healthy as you were, I think, somewhat kind of pretending that you wanted them to be, they're out of there.

01:11:32Marc:Yeah, I don't know, man.

01:11:33Marc:It's a fucking disaster.

01:11:35Guest:I don't know, you can be in situations where you're with somebody who's so healthy that you don't even realize... Can people be too healthy?

01:11:47Marc:I mean, this is something I think... Well, you know, the point of reference to that for me, like always, it's not a matter of healthy, but the most horrifying thing is it's the scene in the kitchen in Annie Hall with the lobsters, with the second woman.

01:12:00Guest:The second woman, yeah.

01:12:01Guest:It's a lobster.

01:12:02Guest:Oh, it's horrifying.

01:12:03Guest:I mean, that's horrifying.

01:12:04Guest:That's a horror show.

01:12:06Guest:That's a horror show.

01:12:07Guest:I mean, you've been in that situation.

01:12:09Guest:That was the worst.

01:12:10Guest:It's just awful.

01:12:12Guest:It's just awful.

01:12:13Guest:Yeah, I know.

01:12:14Guest:I don't understand.

01:12:16Guest:Is that a joke?

01:12:18Guest:I just watched it again the other day.

01:12:19Guest:You did?

01:12:19Guest:It's funny, I almost tweeted last night.

01:12:21Guest:Yeah.

01:12:22Guest:But I didn't because then I thought, first of all, I literally couldn't get it in under 140, so I gave up.

01:12:29Guest:But also, I was like, eh, it's happened that I've been eating next to somebody, and then they've tweeted about it.

01:12:36Guest:So, like, if I tweet this, but I was basically in the Marshall McLuhan scene last night, except it was with, like, right-wingy hipsters.

01:12:45Guest:Mm-hmm.

01:12:45Guest:That's why I couldn't formulate it into a tweet.

01:12:48Guest:It was too nuanced.

01:12:50Guest:But I wanted to bring out Marsha McLuhan, but I couldn't do it.

01:12:53Guest:And it was a guy not impressing a girl, but his Australian friend about American politics.

01:12:58Guest:And speaking in very black and white terms about there not being climate change and about the exchange for, what was the guy's name that we exchanged for the Guantanamo prisoners?

01:13:12Guest:The POW.

01:13:13Guest:Yeah, yeah.

01:13:13Guest:But he said in very black and white terms, he was saying.

01:13:16Guest:So this guy left his base and joined Al Qaeda.

01:13:19Guest:But he just said it in those terms.

01:13:20Guest:That was it.

01:13:20Guest:That was the end of the conversation.

01:13:21Guest:No nuance.

01:13:22Guest:And I'm sitting there like, well, it's I don't know that that's.

01:13:27Guest:And it's just and he didn't stop.

01:13:28Guest:He did not.

01:13:29Guest:Finally, we heard the Australian guy speak after about an hour and a fucking half.

01:13:32Guest:Meanwhile, your dinner, you're not having any conversation.

01:13:36Guest:No, we're having no conversation.

01:13:37Marc:You're with Roxanne?

01:13:38Guest:Yeah, we're with Roxanne.

01:13:39Guest:And she'll say something, and I'll just... I just said, help me formulate this fucking tweet, because it's the only way we're going to get out of here.

01:13:48Guest:The world has to know.

01:13:49Guest:Yeah, right.

01:13:49Guest:The 13,000 fucking point one people have to know.

01:13:53Marc:So you're not having any problem working.

01:13:56Guest:No.

01:13:58Guest:You mean like employment-wise?

01:13:59Guest:Yeah.

01:14:01Guest:Not so bad.

01:14:02Guest:No, not pretty good.

01:14:03Guest:I mean like I did this Fargo thing, which was like more- People liked it.

01:14:10Guest:They did like it.

01:14:11Guest:And that was something that I was like, it's rare you do something and you like it and then other people like it.

01:14:18Guest:So that was nice.

01:14:19Guest:And then I did this pilot for Jim Gaffigan, which for CBS.

01:14:23Guest:Do you know Jim?

01:14:24Guest:Sure.

01:14:25Yeah.

01:14:25Marc:This is the second pilot.

01:14:26Guest:Right.

01:14:27Guest:And then so now we're doing it after, you know, a lot of negotiating and sort of back and forth.

01:14:32Guest:TV land.

01:14:34Guest:Sort of slash, but basically TV land.

01:14:37Guest:Picked it up.

01:14:37Guest:And so now that's what I'm going to go do next year.

01:14:39Guest:Gaffigan's show.

01:14:41Guest:TV land.

01:14:42Guest:TV land.

01:14:43Marc:Listen, I could have a whole.

01:14:44Marc:Yeah.

01:14:45Marc:Interesting.

01:14:45Marc:Yeah.

01:14:46Marc:It's a little bizarre, isn't it?

01:14:48Marc:Yeah.

01:14:49Guest:So, the one that... They're airing it on TV Land, and then I guess the same week they're going to air it on Comedy Central, because, you know, everything's owned by... Viacom.

01:14:57Marc:Viacom.

01:14:58Marc:But you like, there's a good script?

01:15:00Guest:Yeah, but I just had a really nice time.

01:15:03Guest:He's a great guy.

01:15:04Guest:He's a very funny guy.

01:15:05Guest:I just like them.

01:15:05Guest:She's nice, yeah.

01:15:06Guest:It's a good.

01:15:07Marc:And what do you play?

01:15:07Marc:His friend?

01:15:08Guest:Yeah, I play some guy.

01:15:09Guest:I think that it was initially based when they first wrote it on Dave Attell.

01:15:17Marc:I was just going to say that.

01:15:18Guest:Yeah, but now it's just me as his friend.

01:15:22Guest:Right.

01:15:23Guest:Basically.

01:15:26Guest:But yeah, New York stand-up comedian.

01:15:28Guest:You're supposed to be a New York stand-up comedian?

01:15:30Marc:Yeah, you think I can handle it?

01:15:31Marc:Yeah, no.

01:15:32Marc:Yeah, sure.

01:15:33Marc:You can be a tell.

01:15:34Marc:You're more talkative than a tell.

01:15:37Guest:Yeah.

01:15:38Guest:Well, anyway.

01:15:39Guest:Well, that's good.

01:15:40Guest:So, yeah, so I do that next year.

01:15:41Guest:How many are they going to do?

01:15:42Guest:I think it's just 10.

01:15:45Guest:That's the thing that's kind of nice about it.

01:15:47Guest:It's like I just go and it's like three months in New York.

01:15:49Guest:Right.

01:15:49Guest:That's it.

01:15:50Guest:And knock it out.

01:15:51Guest:That's that, yeah.

01:15:52Guest:I mean, and then, you know, if it goes, keeps going, then fine.

01:15:55Guest:But I like them a lot.

01:15:57Guest:I like Jim and Jeannie.

01:15:58Guest:So that's...

01:15:59Guest:Yeah, he's a funny guy.

01:16:00Guest:Yeah, he's a good guy.

01:16:02Guest:In movies?

01:16:03Guest:And so I made this, you know, my career's funny.

01:16:07Guest:It's like, you know, I just got something.

01:16:10Guest:You know, like the BBC just offered me something.

01:16:11Guest:But I'm not going to do it because it's a lot of flying and it's not enough money.

01:16:16Guest:But then if I audition for something, it's usually down between me and another guy.

01:16:20Guest:And usually the other guy gets it.

01:16:21Guest:I haven't gotten a role I've auditioned for in like 10 years.

01:16:23Guest:Really?

01:16:23Guest:Pretty much anything you've seen me in, it's been offered.

01:16:26Guest:And what you haven't seen me in, I've auditioned for it.

01:16:29Marc:so all those things every time you see a movie and I'm not in it are a lot of your friends actors no not anymore not anymore no back when you were a kid though running around basically yeah yeah basically in my 20s it's interesting because there's a whole crew around your age that like everyone kind of grew up and just went their ways

01:16:49Guest:I mean, you know, there's all these guys, there's kind of, you know, when we did Dazed and Confused, I mean, that was definitely like a crew.

01:16:55Guest:Yeah.

01:16:55Guest:Sort of born.

01:16:56Guest:Right.

01:16:56Guest:Out of that a little bit.

01:16:58Guest:And, yeah, most of my friends are, I mean, you know, they're either maybe they're musicians or maybe they're writers.

01:17:07Guest:Right.

01:17:09Guest:Creative people, for sure.

01:17:12Guest:But you're doing good.

01:17:13Guest:Yeah, I'm fine, I'm doing fine.

01:17:15Guest:The thing is, you make a film and it's a very consuming, I wrote this film over a period of a few years, so I wrote it while I was doing a TV series in New York and I wrote it.

01:17:25Guest:Once I got back and then literally June or something of last year, I said, I'm gonna make this movie.

01:17:32Guest:And it was just, and I'm gonna make it this year, period.

01:17:36Guest:And so we went into production, got it together and went into production in October.

01:17:41Guest:So since October, so the entire time I was doing Fargo, I was editing the movie in my hotel room.

01:17:47Guest:And I've been working on that pretty much nonstop.

01:17:51Guest:So now we're in the sound mix.

01:17:52Guest:So yeah, I mean, so that's the thing.

01:17:54Guest:Are you doing all the music?

01:17:55Guest:well i play a musician in it so the songs that they play i wrote but then and then i'd had to do some incidental shit so i had to pretend like in the background there's some mariachi shit stuff so i posed as a mariachi musician but to answer your question no there's a lot of source tracks in it so it's a lot of like uh but it's not it's not scored conventionally it's like if someone's playing a song on the radio then we hear it do you have a title for the uh movie no way jose oh did you already say that

01:18:20Marc:Maybe not.

01:18:22Marc:Well, that's good, man.

01:18:23Marc:And fear of flying really factors in for you as to whether or not you're going to take a gig.

01:18:27Marc:Well, like this gig.

01:18:30Marc:Why are you so afraid?

01:18:30Marc:What do you think is going to happen?

01:18:31Marc:Is it going to crash?

01:18:32Guest:Yeah, I think it's going to crash.

01:18:35Marc:I mean, I don't even know.

01:18:38Marc:I've had to, I just live with it.

01:18:39Guest:Well, I live with it too, but I mean, I, no.

01:18:41Guest:Once I'm up, I'm okay.

01:18:42Guest:It's only takeoff.

01:18:43Guest:No, that's funny as I'm not, I mean, yeah, I should be more terrified at takeoff and landing.

01:18:48Guest:Landing, I'm great.

01:18:49Guest:I had a flight so bad, Mark, a few weeks ago that you cannot fucking believe it.

01:18:54Guest:No, you can't believe it was me on this flight.

01:18:56Guest:No, I mean this, as it was landing.

01:18:58Guest:Because they landed in a fucking windstorm that I heard was knocking over telephone poles and things like that.

01:19:03Guest:They shouldn't have been flying in that weather.

01:19:05Marc:Do you know they were built to fly?

01:19:07Guest:Yeah, but let me tell you something.

01:19:08Guest:They delayed this flight for a couple of hours.

01:19:11Guest:And I look at the weather there, and I was like, oh, it's because there's terrible thunderstorms in New York.

01:19:15Guest:And then all of a sudden, so now we're on the runway, and he's like, it's going to be another two hours.

01:19:18Guest:And part of me is like, fuck.

01:19:20Guest:Another part of me is like, good.

01:19:22Guest:Good they do this, right?

01:19:23Guest:Then all of a sudden, he gets kind of giddy, the pilot, and goes, hey, we got to, and he says something.

01:19:27Guest:I don't know what it means.

01:19:28Guest:It's a technical term.

01:19:29Guest:We got to blah, blah, blah.

01:19:30Guest:But I guess I interpreted it to mean like a window.

01:19:33Guest:So we're heading out.

01:19:34Guest:And I quickly check the weather in New York.

01:19:36Guest:No, it's still horrible, horrible thunderstorms.

01:19:40Guest:So about 20 minutes before we land, he comes on and he doesn't come on because he doesn't have the balls to.

01:19:44Guest:He makes the flight attendant do it.

01:19:48Guest:He makes the flight attendant come on and say, so we're going to prepare for landing a little early.

01:19:53Guest:The captain has informed us that there is going to be some very bad.

01:19:58Guest:Now, you never really hear it this way.

01:20:00Guest:Some very bad turbulence because of the weather.

01:20:02Guest:So now I'm just terrified.

01:20:05Guest:And I made some bizarre decision the prior weekend to watch every airport movie in succession.

01:20:09Guest:So Friday and Saturday night and the weekend before I left, I watched them all.

01:20:13Guest:Why?

01:20:14Guest:And look, it wasn't because one was on.

01:20:17Guest:And I was like, you know what?

01:20:18Guest:The first one...

01:20:19Guest:They're actually not, the early one, you know.

01:20:21Guest:Pretty good.

01:20:22Guest:Yeah, not bad.

01:20:23Guest:And it's a funny cast and the time period's funny.

01:20:25Guest:And, you know, it's just, and then I was like, I was like, fucking what?

01:20:29Guest:I gotta get through these.

01:20:30Guest:Like, I never really watched them.

01:20:31Guest:I was a huge airplane fan, which I'd seen a hundred times.

01:20:34Guest:But it occurred to me, I wasn't getting half the jokes, I realize now.

01:20:38Mm-hmm.

01:20:38Guest:So I went all the way through the fucking Concord one, which is one of the worst movies I've just ever seen.

01:20:44Guest:And I'm thinking, it's so absurd, there's no way this is going to have any actual effect on my psyche, because it's too cartoonish.

01:20:52Marc:No, how could it?

01:20:52Marc:You're already afraid of flying.

01:20:54Guest:Right, exactly.

01:20:54Guest:It's redundant.

01:20:55Guest:It's chicken with chicken socks.

01:20:57Guest:But as it turns out,

01:21:00Guest:I think it did have an effect on me.

01:21:02Guest:Of course it did.

01:21:02Guest:Yeah, and because there's a lot of stuff that's weather related, you know?

01:21:06Marc:So you were just maybe trying to knock out the fear by watching fictionalized versions of Frank Christ?

01:21:10Marc:Yeah, maybe, maybe, yeah.

01:21:12Guest:Some sort of like aversion therapy, right?

01:21:13Guest:Yeah.

01:21:14Guest:So anyway, we start to land, and I mean, I'm telling you, I'm telling you I've never seen wings, and I don't give a shit how far they can bend.

01:21:24Guest:I know that.

01:21:24Marc:What were you doing to the person next to you?

01:21:26Guest:Well, guess what?

01:21:26Guest:What?

01:21:27Guest:Slightly grazing his hand.

01:21:29Guest:Slightly grazing his hand.

01:21:30Guest:And then I later find out that he's with the woman in front of him.

01:21:32Guest:For some reason, they didn't sit together.

01:21:33Guest:And she goes, was that not the worst?

01:21:34Guest:I'm not alone in this.

01:21:35Guest:I looked on Twitter.

01:21:37Guest:So the woman in front of me said to him, was that not the worst flight you've ever been on?

01:21:41Guest:He's like, no, I've been through worse, but let me tell you something.

01:21:43Guest:This guy's hand was like mine, was in his lap the whole time, and like mine, was on the little console next to mine.

01:21:49Guest:Gripping.

01:21:50Guest:Not gripping, but a hand there.

01:21:52Guest:Yeah.

01:21:52Guest:And a little grazing was going on between the two of us.

01:21:55Guest:Just like a little human touch.

01:21:56Marc:Were you making sounds?

01:21:58Guest:Like, oh God.

01:21:58Guest:Yeah.

01:21:59Guest:Whoa.

01:21:59Guest:Big ones.

01:22:01Guest:Because I thought, also, I think, and that's when you know you're really scared.

01:22:04Guest:I've done that.

01:22:05Guest:Because.

01:22:06Guest:Because I like to think I'm pretty fucking cool.

01:22:08Guest:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:08Guest:Because I wear my sunglasses and I got my fucking hoodie on, you know?

01:22:12Guest:And I'm all high on pills, you know?

01:22:14Guest:And I'm like, oh God, oh my God.

01:22:16Guest:And those sounds are coming out of you that you can't believe.

01:22:19Marc:And I go, Jesus Christ.

01:22:20Marc:This is like a bit I used to do.

01:22:22Marc:Really?

01:22:22Marc:Yeah, because I had the same flight in Cleveland, flying into a Cleveland.

01:22:27Marc:Like the line that I'm very proud of, it said, you don't decide your scream.

01:22:33Marc:Yeah, right.

01:22:34Marc:Yeah.

01:22:35Marc:Who is that guy?

01:22:36Marc:You don't know what's going to come.

01:22:37Marc:That's right.

01:22:38Marc:You know, you maybe have an idea because you got scared by a spider or something.

01:22:42Marc:But you don't really know what you sound like scared.

01:22:44Marc:Oh, my God.

01:22:44Marc:Well, yeah.

01:22:45Marc:But my joke is like, because like in the guy behind me was literally screaming.

01:22:50Marc:It was that bad, a flight.

01:22:51Marc:Right.

01:22:51Marc:And I say that I'm proud to report that what came out of me when I was terrified to the core of my being was

01:22:57Guest:Oh, come on.

01:22:59Guest:Yes, I've done that.

01:23:00Guest:Come on.

01:23:01Guest:That's what I said.

01:23:02Guest:Are you fucking kidding me?

01:23:04Guest:Yes, I go.

01:23:04Guest:Come on.

01:23:05Guest:Yeah.

01:23:06Guest:Because no, no, but that's the thing.

01:23:08Guest:And it is interesting because you start to realize that there is this correlation between rage and anxiety because I get super mad.

01:23:15Guest:And when my girlfriend's there, unfortunately.

01:23:17Guest:Dump it on her.

01:23:18Guest:Well, I just go, I go, this is fucking ridiculous, and we're never fucking doing this again.

01:23:22Guest:And I mean it, or I think I mean it.

01:23:25Guest:I go, and when I got off the plane, I texted her, never fucking again.

01:23:30Guest:Like it was her fault, dog watching in Los Angeles, pregnant, that I almost died on this flight.

01:23:37Guest:Right, right, right.

01:23:38Guest:But I, you know, I will tell you that as we landed, the plane dipped like this.

01:23:43Guest:Yeah.

01:23:44Guest:For those who are listening.

01:23:45Guest:Yeah.

01:23:45Guest:That's about a 45 degree angle.

01:23:47Guest:Yeah.

01:23:48Guest:And then he just into the ground.

01:23:50Guest:Yeah.

01:23:50Guest:So as soon as it got it all.

01:23:53Guest:But I've never been that low to the ground where it's doing that.

01:23:56Guest:Yeah, I know.

01:23:57Guest:It's disconcerting.

01:23:57Guest:All right.

01:23:58Guest:Well, you say it like it's.

01:23:59Marc:But yeah, I mean, I've had a couple of bad flights.

01:24:02Guest:I don't think he should have been flying, but it's not him.

01:24:04Guest:It's not his decision.

01:24:05Guest:It's air traffic control.

01:24:06Guest:So that's, I decided it's not that I don't trust the pilot.

01:24:08Guest:I don't trust air traffic control.

01:24:10Guest:That's who I don't trust because they want to get your ass on the ground.

01:24:13Guest:Let's face it.

01:24:13Guest:They got to keep it going.

01:24:14Guest:Sure.

01:24:14Guest:They got to keep it going.

01:24:15Guest:It's a fucking business.

01:24:16Marc:That's right.

01:24:16Marc:All right.

01:24:17Marc:Well, that doesn't sound like a comforting way to look at it.

01:24:20Marc:It doesn't sound like it's going to help.

01:24:21Guest:No, it's not going to help.

01:24:22Guest:I was thinking about going to flight school, I guess.

01:24:25Marc:Oh, you're going to fly yourself.

01:24:26Marc:Or whatever.

01:24:27Guest:Not actually, but in a simulator.

01:24:28Guest:I hear that helps.

01:24:29Marc:A lot of people are chartering planes.

01:24:32Marc:It's expensive.

01:24:32Guest:Oh, no.

01:24:32Guest:Those go down.

01:24:34Guest:No, those are the ones that actually go down.

01:24:35Marc:Oh, they are?

01:24:36Guest:Oh, for sure.

01:24:38Marc:Do you want to play music or no?

01:24:39Guest:Well, sure.

01:24:39Guest:What would we do?

01:24:40Guest:I mean, like... I mean, I don't know what to...

01:24:44Marc:What?

01:24:45Guest:I don't know what I would play.

01:24:47Marc:We brought all this shit over.

01:24:48Guest:Yeah, you said to bring it.

01:24:50Guest:You were insisting upon it.

01:24:51Guest:You ashamed me over a social network.

01:24:53Guest:I had to bring it.

01:24:54Guest:Okay.

01:24:55Marc:All right.

01:24:55Guest:Well, let's... Doesn't mean I won't plug it in.

01:24:58Guest:We're going to plug it in.

01:24:58Guest:We can make some sounds.

01:25:19so so

01:25:48Thank you.

01:26:22Thank you.

01:26:58Guest:music music

01:27:49Marc:I think that we can safely assume that people might meditate to that.

01:28:00Guest:There was a lot of clams on my part in there.

01:28:02Guest:Lots of clams.

01:28:03Guest:Yeah, well, I mean, I think... Clam Central.

01:28:05Marc:I think that should be the title of the new record.

01:28:07Guest:Clam Central?

01:28:08Guest:Clam Central.

01:28:08Guest:I think it's the name of my memoirs.

01:28:11Marc:I think we did good, man.

01:28:12Guest:Yeah.

01:28:13Guest:You feel good about it?

01:28:14Guest:Yeah, I feel good.

01:28:14Marc:Congratulations.

01:28:15Guest:On... I don't know.

01:28:17Guest:I'm getting through it.

01:28:18Guest:I'm getting through it, man.

01:28:19Guest:I'm getting through it.

01:28:20Marc:I just wanted, I think, at the beginning of this to feel what those people in Europe felt.

01:28:25Marc:And I...

01:28:28Guest:Yeah, you felt it.

01:28:30Marc:No, I mean, oh, you don't know.

01:28:32Marc:Then we'll have to cover that next time.

01:28:36Marc:You good?

01:28:36Marc:Yeah, I'm good.

01:28:42Marc:Wow.

01:28:43Marc:Right.

01:28:45Marc:So we, we tried some stuff.

01:28:47Marc:We got out there a little bit.

01:28:48Marc:Adam Goldberg.

01:28:49Marc:What's happening.

01:28:51Marc:Um, that's my show.

01:28:52Marc:Go to WTF pod.com.

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01:28:55Marc:Everything.

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01:29:06Marc:And get the free app upgrade.

01:29:08Marc:Stream everything.

01:29:10Marc:Go to the merch thing at the site.

01:29:13Marc:Get shirts and stuff for your loved ones.

01:29:16Marc:For the holidays.

01:29:18Marc:And for God's sakes, have a happy holiday.

01:29:24Marc:I'm going to be back, though, before the holiday.

01:29:26Marc:I don't know why I'm saying that.

01:29:28Marc:Why am I acting like this is it?

01:29:29Marc:That's the fat talking.

01:29:31Marc:Man, I ran today.

01:29:34Marc:I ran up the hills.

01:29:35Marc:I ran four miles today and yesterday.

01:29:38Marc:Oh, my God.

01:29:39Marc:I don't think I need to play guitar.

01:29:40Marc:We did enough of that.

01:29:41Marc:We did enough.

01:29:42Guest:Oh.

01:29:43Guest:Humor lives!

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